As much as that last defeat against T1 felt soul crushing, G2 still made top 4, quite convincingly too. They were being talked about as real contender. The amount of hopium they generated after 2 years of complete european void felt great and we should be excited for them at Worlds.
I 've come to think that Rogue issue is Larsen. Yet he is their best player. But he extends a slow, non proactive aura where all of his teammate slowly burn
He has always been (at least one of) paRGE's issue. His scaredy cat playstyle and his extremely limited champion pool have been holding RGE back for a long time, BUT it's not like this roster would be going anywhere just with a different midlaner. They literally got rid of their short caller and ingame brain (trymbi) and replaced him with zoelys, lol. And the coaches are to blame as well for giving draft prio to their do-nothing mid so often.
Can't find any context online for any there are a mix of three and two day weekends. It's fine, I'd just like to know why, especially after Drakos drops a massive tease about it.
I agree, imagine LEC without G2. G2 in LCK would thrive and LEC would be interesting to watch. I love G2, but LEC is just a "who's gonna lose to G2 in finals" region.
I'm surprised they're so negative on Rahel and Luon. I think they were quite good in LCK CL, and a lot of people thought at least Rahel deserved to be promoted to LCK. I expect them to stand out in LEC.
Why is the podcast only on Spotify? That service is too expensive/they keep raising their prices & I don't wish to use that service anymore, nor do I like watching UA-cam videos.
*Majority of everyone: Before and during MSI - Fnatic is not even supposed to be there. Matched up with Liquid. Fnatic is underdog, Liquid is good. Lose to Liquid -> Most soul crushing, worst defeat in the history of bamboo being a thing. G2 loosing to NRG was twice more the defeat of Fnatic to TL. Takes are getting worse/weirder by the split.
When Rekkles left Fnatic I remember thinking about Patrik being a good choice as a replacement. I disapproved their choice of picking Upset over Patrik (only judging from what I had seen on stage games ofc). Thinking that he (Upset) isn't as good as Patrik. Upset for me has only looked good on a few adc and I can't even remember anyone of them beside Samira (before Riot nerfed her to the grave and beyond).
cmon, Upset was really good. The choice was really good, when they got to worlds they were ontop of their games. With Adam as well on the roster. But he left literally when he got to worlds.
Look I know BDS is going to finish top 4 again, but their ceiling is so low as long as Nuc is still on the roster that I can't justify putting them any higher than B tier.
@@mikelytou I specifically tracked Nuc in every BDS game and I was not impressed. BDS has done an incredible job at putting him in the best possible position, but he's still a liability when he plays against Caps, or when his two champions are banned. Other mids aren't as easy to ban out and don't lose as hard or as consistently to Caps. He's good enough for an LEC spot, but as far as mid tier LEC midlaners go, his ceiling is very low. BDS has done a great job at drawing attention away from Nuc both ingame and in draft. One of Adam's biggest strengths is that he draws so much attention. This means other teams often don't ban out Nuc when they easily can bc they're focused on Adam, and it means when Nuc gets his scaling mages he also gets a free laning phase while jg attention is elsewhere. Laborv has had a similar effect at time, specifically with his Blitzcrank. Additionally, Sheo and Labrov have done a great job at covering Nuc, and spoon-feeding him kills. The result is that all Nuc has to do is the only thing he's good at: converting leads on late game mages into wins. He takes what is given to him at a very high level, and he doesn't throw it away. I personally see that as low hanging fruit, and care more about a players ability to get leads. That's why I say he's a player with a low ceiling. To dive a little deeper into his champion pool, his Azir and Orianna are good, but that's true of almost every competitive midlaner. His Neeko is just okay, and his Taliyah is unimpactful. I've watched many Taliyah Rs from him do almost nothing, while listening to Drakos praise it. I think this leads to the community perception of his Taliyah being higher than it should be. If it were as good as people seem to think it would help his champion pool tremendously, but unfortunately that's just not the case.
The problem for me is that we didn’t get to see G2 vs the first placed teams sadly. They prob would have gotten stomped to the ground but maybe they get a game
Humanoid had really good tournament and a bad day. He destroyed Creme, and was the best player vs GenG. He had a bad series vs TL. STOP rewriting history PLEASE
i think my hottest lec take is that yike is not a top 3 jungle. My top 3 would prolly be jankos, elyoya and razork (not sure about the order). Part of the reason is that i've not seen yike perform without good players around him, but he really feels worse then all those to me
@@falinestixiaolong9691 gapping tian is the bar now? Plus its hard not to gap with 3 winning lanes. Yike is never the last guy standing in g2, when the team falls you'll still sometimes se BB still put up a stellar performance, you'll often see caps being a strong point in loosing games. Its never yike. The few times he's the only strong guy it comes of the backs of the others playing to make him strong. razork has those performances, elyoya has those performances, freaking jankos made a career out of neutralizing the best asian junglers. For me it's illegal to put yike above any of them untill he's shown that he can be that rock, preferably on a much worse team (emea masters teams doesn't count, we've seen many people hard carry there and absolutely flop in LEC) Edit: I'm not saying any of those players would do better in g2, cause they're not what g2 needs imo, but they can still be better junglers
Its because there are way too many factors to assess the question of who is the best jungler. Do you factor in who fits their team best or who has the best performance? Do you value a factor higher than the other? In my opinion, you value individual performance higher than fit for the team so that's why you think he is not top 3. Nobody is wrong, its just what you believe.
@@kasperween3614this isn't meant as criticism, it's a genuine question. What could yike do on g2 to show you he's top 3? Because if he has to leave team or have worse team mates to make up for, he can't show you he's top 3 without leaving g2. Just food for thought!
@@Dardobul yeah I think if you have this team around you, it's really hard to prove you're the best. I think BB found a way, he wasn't considered the best top in LEC before this, and now it's almost indisputed. Part of that comes from our weaker top pool, but there is a factor that I tried to explain earlier that people like BB and Caps have that it doesn't feel like Yike has. The ability to hold back the storm so to speak. In a loosing game doing absolutely everything with the resources you have, almost singlehandedly making the leading team have to fight for their victory. It never feels like it's yike doing this for G2, while ive seen all the other players do it many times. I know I'm not explaining myself very well, but I also don't know how to do it better. This is also a really weird requirement I know.
Actually mot fans did not flame him and more supported Yamato. But then again, most KC fans can't write in English so you wouldn't properly have seen it. There's also this thing which would be good to see understood : the fans are gonna stick with the org's decision publicly, and express their opinions amongst themselves. Then again, if your only goal is to rub it in, please be my guest, whatever makes you feel good.
@Cancoillotteman tbh this is a reasonable reply. I am just a bit salty because I didn't like the treatment of Yamato. Also, it's true that I don't know french so I definetly didn't get the full story. I only observed the extreme hype surrounding this org coming in and I got hyped too. Then I watched them remove yamato and it was frustrating. Now I watch them replace their team. So yea my first message is a bit in poor taste since calling out a fanbase doesn't make sense. I just didn't like how everything went down.
@@jakespacer I appreciate your answer, and want to thank you for it. Besides that I want to reassure you that you are not alone in being disappointed by some of the decisions being made. So far results seem much better this split but we should be patient : 2 wins from outscaling comps ain't saying much, let's wait and see. Have a good day buddy !
fnc did not perform, what are surprise. Stop hyping them its already became usual thing to show poor lvl. Spoiler alert FNC will perform same at worlds again
They have to hype Fnatic for their sake revenue, Fnatic is one of the biggest orgs. It is what it is, Fnatic players can play with no hands for 2 years straight and they will still hype them up every time.
CASTER FROM EU PLS READ THIS: pls when an eu team upsets pls dont curse it when they di the winning play cos at worlds 23 vedius cheered for them when they beat Weibo and then we know what happened. And then msi dagda celebrated during the TES series and then t1 shat on us
This is probably the least exciting LEC season of all times. I don't want to be mean but the teams all look so weak. It's just gonne be G2 FNC and one or two random C-Tier teams again. I'm gonna tune in for worlds. Cya nerds :D
@@Cancoillotteman Okay you think they will win the split? You think they will win season finals? You think they will beat asian teams at worlds? No they will just be 3rd or 4th place at best in LEC and lose the first game against a real opponent at worlds. Idk what you mean with "strong as hell" other than "sucking a little bit less"...
@@Micha-qv5uf first of all : swallow your sass and remember you don't level 1% of the talent of these players Then : I do believe they have a serious chance of reaching finals, I don't think beating G2 but maybe giving them a run for their money. As to worlds I don't see them beating a chinese or Korean team indeed, but does that mean all the rest are not "real" opponents ? You don't have to be a championship favorite to be a real opponent. Try to practice respect in front of your glass in the morning, helps to avoid insulting people who are a 100 times better than you (and better than me as well of course, this is not the question)
@@Cancoillotteman I didn't insult anybody until you tried to play white knight. Try not bathing in your self praising "look how good of a person I am". I'm watching LEC since it's very beginning and it's just not interesting watching the same results play out again and again and again. Let's see how long you can do it until you get bored. And stop trying to be a white knight. Nobody likes those. I am respectful when there is a reason for it. I don't see any reason here.
I’m sorry boys but you have to stop glazing Upset. Has he had a single pop-off moment in the last two years? I don’t have anything against the guy but he is paycheck stealing at this point. If he proves me wrong this split I’ll be happy for him but if you’re on every “bad team” maybe you’re the issue
I sadly agree. The good thing is that he's only keeping the seat warm for Caliste to turn 18 and join next season. I'm willing to bet that's even the single reason they kept Targamas in the roster (Targa & Caliste had a great synergy last year)
Ah yes, the guy who's only 4 years younger than Odo, his whole life he played only in Spain ERLs, he's not good on tanks, not good on carrys, he is mediocare at best and he get a promotion to the main squad simply because he has a huge fanbase. There's not a single solid argument that they should choose him over Odo.
Sadly i agree... I think they're only keeping him on to pair him up with Caliste next year (they had a great synergy last year, gaping everyone in their competition including Supa - Alvaro)
Carzzy saying they are smashing in scrims could definitely mean two different things
Maybe a G2 tier above S and no one in S would be good
Sniffa
100% agree with this suggestion
😹😹 you need a raise
Damn not pulling any punches I see
Surely not for G2 tho? You need some competition to improve. Also not a good thing for LEC in general.
Wow, I can't believe they put team so high but team so low! Outrageous
Yeah they're clearly biased against team, this makes me very upset.
As much as that last defeat against T1 felt soul crushing, G2 still made top 4, quite convincingly too. They were being talked about as real contender.
The amount of hopium they generated after 2 years of complete european void felt great and we should be excited for them at Worlds.
I 've come to think that Rogue issue is Larsen. Yet he is their best player. But he extends a slow, non proactive aura where all of his teammate slowly burn
spitting facts
He has always been (at least one of) paRGE's issue. His scaredy cat playstyle and his extremely limited champion pool have been holding RGE back for a long time, BUT it's not like this roster would be going anywhere just with a different midlaner.
They literally got rid of their short caller and ingame brain (trymbi) and replaced him with zoelys, lol. And the coaches are to blame as well for giving draft prio to their do-nothing mid so often.
been saying this for years now - guy was always cracked up to be way more than he is and he plays so passive the whole map is frozen
I'm kinda glad that I'm not the only one.
Maybe invite Larsen and the rogue coach, might be some insight into their perspective on what the team is trying and their way of achieving it
A tier? We take those. See you on Saturday 🫡
The boys are back!!! Yippeeeeeeee! Oh boy I missed EUphoria.
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Finally some good news. Euphoria is back!!!!!
This tier list will go down in infamy.
I don't know why yet, but it will lol.
Animal Well was indeed sick! Looking just as forward to the start of the LEC as the next Big Mode's game!
FINALLY A NEW EPISODE
Both of you absolute chads are looking hella lit!
lec is back baby! Very happy
G2 vs NRG is way worse than FNC vs TL
I think so too, considering TL had core jj , impact and general umti (BRO believer) who brings a huge amount of experience to the team
true
fr
It’s just too traumatic for them to remember.
that one felt terrible to get into bo5
I missed you so much
if vladi ends up being like nuc for BDS, I think it's a good thing
Drakos giving me Slim Shady vibes
Euphoria baby!!
These guys so biased not criticizing odoamme for his season because he's their friend
These casters really have an unlimited stock of copium for KC. 😅
Nice to see you guys back. Let's go LEC !
Can't find any context online for any there are a mix of three and two day weekends. It's fine, I'd just like to know why, especially after Drakos drops a massive tease about it.
💙💙Kcorp
This statement or suggestion is pretty accurate
That was such a cute intro!
Supporting DagDaddy
Rogue should just play like absolute psychopaths this split and see wat happens
can we just get rid of Rogue?
According to Summoning insight a Saudi Org might be buying them out but who knows.
Is that Finn on Drakos' laptop?
TL gonna clear EU again at worlds. Cannot wait.
hard to get hyped for this one team region... just send g2 to korea so they can have proper training
I agree, imagine LEC without G2. G2 in LCK would thrive and LEC would be interesting to watch. I love G2, but LEC is just a "who's gonna lose to G2 in finals" region.
Then others need to step up @@Azrael_Xx_
I'm surprised they're so negative on Rahel and Luon. I think they were quite good in LCK CL, and a lot of people thought at least Rahel deserved to be promoted to LCK. I expect them to stand out in LEC.
It's because the name change. HH was better,
It's just their opinions, take everyones lists and rankings with a grain of salt.
Rogue for worlds :) (just putting this here incase it does happen and everyone is shocked)
Why is the podcast only on Spotify? That service is too expensive/they keep raising their prices & I don't wish to use that service anymore, nor do I like watching UA-cam videos.
Did Saudi Arabia Approve that logo change LEC?
I've missed this
ggs
*Majority of everyone:
Before and during MSI - Fnatic is not even supposed to be there.
Matched up with Liquid. Fnatic is underdog, Liquid is good.
Lose to Liquid -> Most soul crushing, worst defeat in the history of bamboo being a thing.
G2 loosing to NRG was twice more the defeat of Fnatic to TL.
Takes are getting worse/weirder by the split.
Ignoring the fact that Fnatic didn't actually show up on the day as a team.
>Fnatic is underdog
No one said that???
But where is Perkz? KEKW
When Rekkles left Fnatic I remember thinking about Patrik being a good choice as a replacement. I disapproved their choice of picking Upset over Patrik (only judging from what I had seen on stage games ofc). Thinking that he (Upset) isn't as good as Patrik. Upset for me has only looked good on a few adc and I can't even remember anyone of them beside Samira (before Riot nerfed her to the grave and beyond).
cmon, Upset was really good. The choice was really good, when they got to worlds they were ontop of their games. With Adam as well on the roster. But he left literally when he got to worlds.
Yes yes, give it to me NOW.
Look I know BDS is going to finish top 4 again, but their ceiling is so low as long as Nuc is still on the roster that I can't justify putting them any higher than B tier.
Have you even watched a single BDS game in spring?
Nuc was BDS ' best player across the entirety of spring.
@@mikelytou I specifically tracked Nuc in every BDS game and I was not impressed. BDS has done an incredible job at putting him in the best possible position, but he's still a liability when he plays against Caps, or when his two champions are banned. Other mids aren't as easy to ban out and don't lose as hard or as consistently to Caps. He's good enough for an LEC spot, but as far as mid tier LEC midlaners go, his ceiling is very low.
BDS has done a great job at drawing attention away from Nuc both ingame and in draft. One of Adam's biggest strengths is that he draws so much attention. This means other teams often don't ban out Nuc when they easily can bc they're focused on Adam, and it means when Nuc gets his scaling mages he also gets a free laning phase while jg attention is elsewhere. Laborv has had a similar effect at time, specifically with his Blitzcrank. Additionally, Sheo and Labrov have done a great job at covering Nuc, and spoon-feeding him kills. The result is that all Nuc has to do is the only thing he's good at: converting leads on late game mages into wins. He takes what is given to him at a very high level, and he doesn't throw it away. I personally see that as low hanging fruit, and care more about a players ability to get leads. That's why I say he's a player with a low ceiling.
To dive a little deeper into his champion pool, his Azir and Orianna are good, but that's true of almost every competitive midlaner. His Neeko is just okay, and his Taliyah is unimpactful. I've watched many Taliyah Rs from him do almost nothing, while listening to Drakos praise it. I think this leads to the community perception of his Taliyah being higher than it should be. If it were as good as people seem to think it would help his champion pool tremendously, but unfortunately that's just not the case.
this episode:
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am i doing the zoomer comment meta correctly?
The problem for me is that we didn’t get to see G2 vs the first placed teams sadly.
They prob would have gotten stomped to the ground but maybe they get a game
Humanoid had really good tournament and a bad day. He destroyed Creme, and was the best player vs GenG. He had a bad series vs TL. STOP rewriting history PLEASE
Agree except on the best player vs geng. Razork was the best that serie, he was matching canyon pretty good
true huma is good but when his team is bad, he start playing abd too
When my meme comment ends up being right.......
i think my hottest lec take is that yike is not a top 3 jungle. My top 3 would prolly be jankos, elyoya and razork (not sure about the order). Part of the reason is that i've not seen yike perform without good players around him, but he really feels worse then all those to me
Yike be turbo gapping Tian and even Oner on some games at MSI but there will still be clowns saying he's not a top EU jungler.
@@falinestixiaolong9691 gapping tian is the bar now? Plus its hard not to gap with 3 winning lanes. Yike is never the last guy standing in g2, when the team falls you'll still sometimes se BB still put up a stellar performance, you'll often see caps being a strong point in loosing games. Its never yike. The few times he's the only strong guy it comes of the backs of the others playing to make him strong.
razork has those performances, elyoya has those performances, freaking jankos made a career out of neutralizing the best asian junglers.
For me it's illegal to put yike above any of them untill he's shown that he can be that rock, preferably on a much worse team (emea masters teams doesn't count, we've seen many people hard carry there and absolutely flop in LEC)
Edit: I'm not saying any of those players would do better in g2, cause they're not what g2 needs imo, but they can still be better junglers
Its because there are way too many factors to assess the question of who is the best jungler. Do you factor in who fits their team best or who has the best performance? Do you value a factor higher than the other? In my opinion, you value individual performance higher than fit for the team so that's why you think he is not top 3. Nobody is wrong, its just what you believe.
@@kasperween3614this isn't meant as criticism, it's a genuine question. What could yike do on g2 to show you he's top 3? Because if he has to leave team or have worse team mates to make up for, he can't show you he's top 3 without leaving g2. Just food for thought!
@@Dardobul yeah I think if you have this team around you, it's really hard to prove you're the best.
I think BB found a way, he wasn't considered the best top in LEC before this, and now it's almost indisputed. Part of that comes from our weaker top pool, but there is a factor that I tried to explain earlier that people like BB and Caps have that it doesn't feel like Yike has. The ability to hold back the storm so to speak. In a loosing game doing absolutely everything with the resources you have, almost singlehandedly making the leading team have to fight for their victory. It never feels like it's yike doing this for G2, while ive seen all the other players do it many times. I know I'm not explaining myself very well, but I also don't know how to do it better. This is also a really weird requirement I know.
KC fans gave Yamato so much crap. I wonder how you feel now that they still didn't perform and your players have been switched up?
Actually mot fans did not flame him and more supported Yamato. But then again, most KC fans can't write in English so you wouldn't properly have seen it.
There's also this thing which would be good to see understood : the fans are gonna stick with the org's decision publicly, and express their opinions amongst themselves.
Then again, if your only goal is to rub it in, please be my guest, whatever makes you feel good.
@Cancoillotteman tbh this is a reasonable reply. I am just a bit salty because I didn't like the treatment of Yamato. Also, it's true that I don't know french so I definetly didn't get the full story. I only observed the extreme hype surrounding this org coming in and I got hyped too. Then I watched them remove yamato and it was frustrating. Now I watch them replace their team.
So yea my first message is a bit in poor taste since calling out a fanbase doesn't make sense. I just didn't like how everything went down.
@@jakespacer I appreciate your answer, and want to thank you for it.
Besides that I want to reassure you that you are not alone in being disappointed by some of the decisions being made.
So far results seem much better this split but we should be patient : 2 wins from outscaling comps ain't saying much, let's wait and see.
Have a good day buddy !
fnc did not perform, what are surprise. Stop hyping them its already became usual thing to show poor lvl. Spoiler alert FNC will perform same at worlds again
They have to hype Fnatic for their sake revenue, Fnatic is one of the biggest orgs.
It is what it is, Fnatic players can play with no hands for 2 years straight and they will still hype them up every time.
I mean tbf this is an lec podcast and fnatic is still strong in lec. I don't think they pretended that fnatic will magically stomp at worlds now. 😂
Sometimes I'm sad, but then I think about TL smashing FNC and then I'm happy again
CASTER FROM EU PLS READ THIS:
pls when an eu team upsets pls dont curse it when they di the winning play cos at worlds 23 vedius cheered for them when they beat Weibo and then we know what happened.
And then msi dagda celebrated during the TES series and then t1 shat on us
This is probably the least exciting LEC season of all times. I don't want to be mean but the teams all look so weak. It's just gonne be G2 FNC and one or two random C-Tier teams again. I'm gonna tune in for worlds. Cya nerds :D
Ok
Vitality should be strong as well, and BDS if not strong reliable. But I guess this guy's "too cool" to consider facts.
@@Cancoillotteman Okay you think they will win the split? You think they will win season finals? You think they will beat asian teams at worlds? No they will just be 3rd or 4th place at best in LEC and lose the first game against a real opponent at worlds. Idk what you mean with "strong as hell" other than "sucking a little bit less"...
@@Micha-qv5uf first of all : swallow your sass and remember you don't level 1% of the talent of these players
Then : I do believe they have a serious chance of reaching finals, I don't think beating G2 but maybe giving them a run for their money. As to worlds I don't see them beating a chinese or Korean team indeed, but does that mean all the rest are not "real" opponents ? You don't have to be a championship favorite to be a real opponent.
Try to practice respect in front of your glass in the morning, helps to avoid insulting people who are a 100 times better than you (and better than me as well of course, this is not the question)
@@Cancoillotteman I didn't insult anybody until you tried to play white knight. Try not bathing in your self praising "look how good of a person I am". I'm watching LEC since it's very beginning and it's just not interesting watching the same results play out again and again and again. Let's see how long you can do it until you get bored. And stop trying to be a white knight. Nobody likes those. I am respectful when there is a reason for it. I don't see any reason here.
where pedro?
Kendrick made it hard to search for euphoria ☠️🤣
I’m sorry boys but you have to stop glazing Upset. Has he had a single pop-off moment in the last two years?
I don’t have anything against the guy but he is paycheck stealing at this point. If he proves me wrong this split I’ll be happy for him but if you’re on every “bad team” maybe you’re the issue
I sadly agree. The good thing is that he's only keeping the seat warm for Caliste to turn 18 and join next season. I'm willing to bet that's even the single reason they kept Targamas in the roster (Targa & Caliste had a great synergy last year)
scrim results are cope I dont see your scrims so i dont care if your an amazing scrim team. If your bad on the day then you suck.
VIT is going to flop
You guys have 0 hope on Th3Antonio, he is definetly an upgrade from Odoamnde
XDDDDD this guy is so clueless
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Ah yes, the guy who's only 4 years younger than Odo, his whole life he played only in Spain ERLs, he's not good on tanks, not good on carrys, he is mediocare at best and he get a promotion to the main squad simply because he has a huge fanbase.
There's not a single solid argument that they should choose him over Odo.
Th3Lec
The only region virtue signaling the pride logo. And people wonder why nobody watches.
G2 in the second series vs T1 had a huge underperformance ngl
Targamas stay?!?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Kc love playing 4v6 xd
Sadly i agree... I think they're only keeping him on to pair him up with Caliste next year (they had a great synergy last year, gaping everyone in their competition including Supa - Alvaro)