Amazing tip regarding how you crushed down the foreground, exported it and then brought it back into the photo. I'm sure that I'll have to review that portion of the video multiple times before I will be able to successfully duplicate your procedure.
I had Neo installed on two computers, one is high powered one is not bad and neo worked fine, an extra seat only cost £7 so I installed on a very old dell workstation I bought on ebay,uk cost me only £45, its works beautifully, its amazing, Neo is great!
Great video as usual Anthony. Does anyone really think the breathtaking B&W landscapes that Ansel Adams produced are depictions of reality. Of course not, as he detailed in his books, they are a painstaking manipulation of the film and, particularly the final print to get to what he pre-visualized.
G'day Anthony! Well explained, clear and helpful for general editing. I did note your comments about realistic sky replacements, but this one fails that test because there are many keys indicating that the light is coming from the extreme left: the big rock on the left hill, direct light on the left-facing wall of the house, and on both visible walls of the shed on the right. Why didn't you use a sky and sun rays with the sun coming from out-of-picture (on the left)? Is that possible? This criticism aside, I'm certainly going to look at more of your videos as I like your presentation style! Peter
Hi Peter, yes absolutely. I thought I kinda covered that in the video? Perhaps not. I just wanted to use the Luminar default sky library as everyone watching with Luminar has access to that. My recommendation is indeed, as you mentioned, to use a sky that matches sun position accurately - of which I have quite a few in my own library and from the library I bought and linked to in the description. Sometimes I edit in a non-perfect way in videos as a way to show what to avoid rather than what you should do. Perhaps I missed the mark explaining that in this one. Cheers for the feedback Peter. Always appreciated!
Many thanks, Anthony, for this creative edit .... especially giving us a good understanding of how to create the layer to maintain the grass perspective. However, I am wondering if by exporting the composite image in a JPEG format and importing as a new image so to continue the editing, whether this doesn't handicap our processing as the image is compressed. Maybe export as a TIFF file???? Thanks for the good ideas you always share!
Yeah, good point. For sure a nice 16bit tiff has more scope for pushing and pulling in the edit. However, in this case I didn't feel it was necessary. The 8 bit jpeg at 100%is effectively identical to an 8bit tiff and the extra bits of data weren't really needed.
Hi Anthony, I don't get any profiles in Luminar either. Been watching your videos for ages and never realized you lived in NZ. I live in Christchurch and also have a holiday house at Castle Hill. It's certainly an amazing place for landscapes! Cheers,. John
As always thank you! I hoping there were some mask features such a copy and invert . I never saw the mask options button but I am glad it is there. I am sure that will help me alot. I really like the direction sklyum is going with neo . They are certainly being more attentive than in the past.
Nice one Anthony. You’ve demonstrated the creative use of many of the tools in Neo, with some examples. This way, it’s much easier for your viewer to identify how and where these tools might apply to their own images. As you point out, the actual believability of the final image here is not crucial, since it’s merely a vehicle to help illustrate the point. Oh and for those who can’t bear the thought of a photo that’s not reality … well that reduces photography to a simple record of the view, but it’s supposed to be artistic isn’t it? … starting with just which bit of the view you choose to put in your photograph. Embrace the creativity ! 😉
Well put! Thanks for your thoughts on photography and creativity. Absolutely! It seems strange that some people seem intent on a documentative approach being the only way we should take and process photos. Like you say, it's an art form.
Extremely useful and well done video with lots of tricks and pointers for editing. I am surprised that you didn't have the sun come into the image from the left out of the frame as there is light on the rocks on the left and the side and back of the building on the right. Thanks for sharing your insights and talent in these videos.
Cheers. Yeah, for a 'proper' edit I would have used one of my skies from the library pack that had the dramatic mood of this one but had the sun off from the left. This sky already had a sun position that was central so I played to that rather than the direction of the shadows. I did discuss that in the vid though? My cardinal sin! It was more of an example of don't do what I did 😆
As always great vid , but what kills the image for me is the tin shed on the right hand side . So all the great work you have done (my eyes still go to the shed}
Hi Anthony! Long time - no see! I love what you can do with layers, well done Skylum, but as you say Anthony a layer merge tool would be very helpful. One other missing tool that puts me off Luminar Neo though is the lack of the 'clone stamp' tool. Lumiar 4 and AI had these tools so why doesn't Neo? The 'Erase' tool is fine for erasing small areas, but can cause problems when you want to erase a large area, like a person's head, it can lead to mismatches and distortions that prove difficult to correct, unless you open Luminar 4 or AI! 😾😾 By the way, how is Lando? Can we see some videos that include him - perhaps another one on editing pet photos, but this time using your little one!😻😻 Cheers! Felix the Cat. 😺😺
Unfortunately I have only ever had the default in my developer. the other thing to note is that you can use the crop 1st and still have access to the develope raw slider
Yes true, crop is a unique tool and, as you say, can be applied first and still leave develop raw accessible. It's because it's not a tool that alters the physical pixel qualities in any way.
Truly excellent Anthony and very well explained. Neo is integral now to my processing and the software will only get better and better. My one area of doubt is it's catalogue capability and RAW processing. Recently, I have been using DXO for it's incredible RAW / Noise processing power and then finishing in Neo. The conundrum is, my yearly Adobe subscription is due very shortly for LR and Photoshop, LR having a super catalogue facility and to be honest, Id like to drop it but am tentative to do so. I tend to take in excess of 3000 shots on a nature holiday and LR was always my 'Go To' to sort everything out. Putting it simply - does Neo stand up on it's own as an editor / catalogue and use nothing else or what ?? Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Hi Roger. Great question... tbh, as you said, Lightroom's cataloguing ability is the best. So for that reason I still use it for organisation. Like you I have thousands upon thousands of images to manage. There's another company that have released a storage/ management tool but I haven't had a chance to test it properly to have a opinion. Hopefully I can get something together before your Adobe renewal...
Hi John, great question. While they're very similar in terms of tools, they have a very different programming architecture which is designed to allow Neo to run faster. Neo is also newer and currently getting some nice updates being released.
Anthony, thanks for your explanation using Neo, very well rounded out.! I have a quick question for you and coming from an IT background, thought that you may be able to assist. I've tried with the Skylem tech support to no avail. Even though I have the latest version of Neo, I am finding it slow to run using my 50mg raw files off Canon. Even though I'm using 16gigs of Ram, NEO seems slow as opposed to Luminar AI. Have you experienced that, or do you have to follow certain protocols with Neo? Mostly I am using Capture One, and even though it's expensive, it works a treat. Any feedback would be appreciated.?? Glad you're enjoying the NZ countryside!!!
Hi Rex, yes smaller files will run quicker although I find my 45mp 14bit files run okay. Although 16gb is said to be fine for use with Luminar, I've always found 32gb makes a big difference. I'll be building a new computer this year as my current set up is about 4 years old so I'll be stepping up to 64gb at that point. However, I do run other software and a couple of monitors (one just out of shot) while I'm working and recording videos.
I personally haven't been able to get a hand on profiles for my camera so i have been using the default profile just fine, but i have been having trouble importing my own skies. No matter what file size or format, imported skies always show up as a grayed out box that can't be applied. Might contact luminar support about it
I have a library in Explorer of various skies based upon color, mood, direction of light, sunset etc. and don't recall if anyone has shown how to get them into NEO in their appropriate folders. I assume there should be a path so that one could drag/drop folders into the folder that is already part of NEO but I don't know for sure. Any info as to how and if you have the path would be most helpful. Might not be a bad idea to provide the path in your excellent videos info at the top of comment section along with all the other good info currently provided. Whenever I see interesting skies, I grab the camera and then sometimes will edit the sky to give a different look from the same set of clouds etc.
Thanks Phlotographer. Good point about the skies. I'll see what I can do. I've been super swamped with commercial photography projects recently and that's kept me away from new videos unfortunately.
@@AnthonyTurnham Glad to hear you are busy. Would be interesting to see some of your commercial work. Always enjoy your real estate image and how you edit. I need to do something with NEO to help another retired pro wedding portrait photographer to replace a sky and I just don't like the way Skylum does their Catalogue and am now sure what they now are doing with their providing photographers to add their own skies as I know how I have mine organized but not sure if I can organize the same in NEO. I like to use my Explorer tree structure and for some of my programs such as Affinity Photo and PSX it works fine but Skylum does things differently. Any info you have would be appreciated. TIA
Hi! This grass layer trick was very nice! Just a short question if I may. I can see difference between "Develop Raw/Color/White balance/temperature" (temperature unit : [Kelvin] ), and simple "Develop/Color/White balance/temperature" (temperature unit : simple numbering from -100 to +100). Is it a mistake or has it any reason to make difference between Kelvin value and numbering value adjustment? (numbering adjustment of WB is very rude, 1 step causes high step from basic). Always need to go back to the Develope Raw if I used copy-paste or preset copy functions previously and need to re-adjust the WB. thx!
Hi Tom Tom, no mistake there. Kelvin is used by raw files. Once your out of raw develop you're dealing with non-raw adjustments so the traditional style -100 to 100 scale is used as the kelvin temp can no longer be accurately determined.
Absolutely Mark! I did a video on Astro Photography editing using Luminar AI that you can check out here: ua-cam.com/video/Q-F7W5FLz2s/v-deo.html and most (if not all) of the principals and tools carry over to Luminar Neo.
These are great tutorials and I learn a lot but my biggest problem at the moment is that Neo keeps crashing - very frustrating and I've tried everything advised.
Don't ever let anyone give you jazz about your "creative" edits. Do you think they look at an Ansel Adams print and say, "That scene wasn't really monochrome." ? I like your creative edits MORE - even when I would make different choices.
Hi Anthony if let say my last back in January and I already backup and move to external hard drive and few month later how to continue to backup and move catalog?
Hi. Good question. I'd kinda need to know more about your setup to cover this and I think its a bit oo long an answer for the comment thread. Have you reached out to the Skylum helpdesk?
Fair enough. I think in a "proper" edit for me, rather than as a demo/tutorial that's what I'd be doing and using my sky library to get a sky that matched that aesthetic and correct sun position.
Good question. In my experience yes. Particularly as we add more and more adjustments to our edit. That's when it's really noticeable that Neo is faster. Exporting can still take a while as a of the tools need to be fully calculated and rendered out.
skylums products are so good, its pretty much cheating compare to the old way of editing. i used your discount code, when i bought neo. i kinda felt guilty about what they are dealing with in Ukraine. they fighting for their land while im trying to save a buck
the trick with the grass was good :)
Thank you, Anthony. You make it easy to follow and comprehend what you are teaching.
Thanks William!
Amazing tip regarding how you crushed down the foreground, exported it and then brought it back into the photo. I'm sure that I'll have to review that portion of the video multiple times before I will be able to successfully duplicate your procedure.
Thanks Anthony, I loved the tip with the foreground layer.
This video is helping me with the basics because i want to start with editing products and maybe start a business in product photography.
Good luck with your career move!
Excellent Tutorial Anthony and very well explained th Histogramm tooo. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers for the comment!
I had Neo installed on two computers, one is high powered one is not bad and neo worked fine, an extra seat only cost £7 so I installed on a very old dell workstation I bought on ebay,uk cost me only £45, its works beautifully, its amazing, Neo is great!
Thanks for showing those extra tips such as the work around using layers and masking.
Love the layer back for the grass, very handy tip. Thanks Anthony
Thanks Phil 🙂
Did like it a lot; very clever and smart editing; thank you for the time you did put into it to teach us.
My pleasure!
Great video as usual Anthony. Does anyone really think the breathtaking B&W landscapes that Ansel Adams produced are depictions of reality. Of course not, as he detailed in his books, they are a painstaking manipulation of the film and, particularly the final print to get to what he pre-visualized.
G'day Anthony! Well explained, clear and helpful for general editing. I did note your comments about realistic sky replacements, but this one fails that test because there are many keys indicating that the light is coming from the extreme left: the big rock on the left hill, direct light on the left-facing wall of the house, and on both visible walls of the shed on the right. Why didn't you use a sky and sun rays with the sun coming from out-of-picture (on the left)? Is that possible? This criticism aside, I'm certainly going to look at more of your videos as I like your presentation style! Peter
Hi Peter, yes absolutely. I thought I kinda covered that in the video? Perhaps not. I just wanted to use the Luminar default sky library as everyone watching with Luminar has access to that. My recommendation is indeed, as you mentioned, to use a sky that matches sun position accurately - of which I have quite a few in my own library and from the library I bought and linked to in the description. Sometimes I edit in a non-perfect way in videos as a way to show what to avoid rather than what you should do. Perhaps I missed the mark explaining that in this one.
Cheers for the feedback Peter. Always appreciated!
Thanks for showing the workaround about mask layers. That was one of my questions when trying to apply changes to an image.
No worries Sean 👍
Thanks!
Many thanks, Anthony, for this creative edit .... especially giving us a good understanding of how to create the layer to maintain the grass perspective. However, I am wondering if by exporting the composite image in a JPEG format and importing as a new image so to continue the editing, whether this doesn't handicap our processing as the image is compressed. Maybe export as a TIFF file???? Thanks for the good ideas you always share!
Yeah, good point. For sure a nice 16bit tiff has more scope for pushing and pulling in the edit. However, in this case I didn't feel it was necessary. The 8 bit jpeg at 100%is effectively identical to an 8bit tiff and the extra bits of data weren't really needed.
Thanks, Anthony! I get the point :)
Hi Anthony,
I don't get any profiles in Luminar either.
Been watching your videos for ages and never realized you lived in NZ.
I live in Christchurch and also have a holiday house at Castle Hill. It's certainly an amazing place for landscapes! Cheers,. John
Nice! Castle Hill Village? I did some architectural photography of a nice new home out there fairly recently. Yeah, its beautiful out that way.
@@AnthonyTurnham Yes, I have a house in the village. There's some amazing scenery along the mountain bike and hiking trails up there!
Thank you!
My pleasure Kit!
As always thank you! I hoping there were some mask features such a copy and invert . I never saw the mask options button but I am glad it is there. I am sure that will help me alot. I really like the direction sklyum is going with neo . They are certainly being more attentive than in the past.
Nice work. Your step-by-step insights are very helpful. Thanks!!
Thanks Robert
Nice one Anthony. You’ve demonstrated the creative use of many of the tools in Neo, with some examples. This way, it’s much easier for your viewer to identify how and where these tools might apply to their own images. As you point out, the actual believability of the final image here is not crucial, since it’s merely a vehicle to help illustrate the point. Oh and for those who can’t bear the thought of a photo that’s not reality … well that reduces photography to a simple record of the view, but it’s supposed to be artistic isn’t it? … starting with just which bit of the view you choose to put in your photograph. Embrace the creativity ! 😉
Well put! Thanks for your thoughts on photography and creativity. Absolutely! It seems strange that some people seem intent on a documentative approach being the only way we should take and process photos. Like you say, it's an art form.
Extremely useful and well done video with lots of tricks and pointers for editing. I am surprised that you didn't have the sun come into the image from the left out of the frame as there is light on the rocks on the left and the side and back of the building on the right. Thanks for sharing your insights and talent in these videos.
Cheers. Yeah, for a 'proper' edit I would have used one of my skies from the library pack that had the dramatic mood of this one but had the sun off from the left. This sky already had a sun position that was central so I played to that rather than the direction of the shadows. I did discuss that in the vid though? My cardinal sin! It was more of an example of don't do what I did 😆
Hi Anthony, thanks... As usual... Powernaaan!
Thank you. Cheers for continuing to support the channel. It's greatly appreciated!
Great editing as always. Thanks for your work, Anthony. It´s such a wonderful landscape. Where is it in NZ?
Thanks Ulrich. It's a place called Castle Hill in Canterbury in the South Island of NZ. Really a stunning place!!!
As always great vid , but what kills the image for me is the tin shed on the right hand side . So all the great work you have done (my eyes still go to the shed}
Good feedback Howard. Thanks.
Agreed and for that I'd jump into Photoshop for content aware fill. Of course you have to make it a tif at some point.
Great video. You mentioned normally using a Wacom tablet. Do they work well with Neo and if so which model do you think is best. Thx.
I think the link to the one I use is in the description. It's good for stroke work, but unfortunately no pressure sensitivity.
Thanks for an excellent tutorial. Where do I get Canon profiles and how do I load them into Neo?
Hi Anthony! Long time - no see! I love what you can do with layers, well done Skylum, but as you say Anthony a layer merge tool would be very helpful. One other missing tool that puts me off Luminar Neo though is the lack of the 'clone stamp' tool. Lumiar 4 and AI had these tools so why doesn't Neo? The 'Erase' tool is fine for erasing small areas, but can cause problems when you want to erase a large area, like a person's head, it can lead to mismatches and distortions that prove difficult to correct, unless you open Luminar 4 or AI! 😾😾 By the way, how is Lando? Can we see some videos that include him - perhaps another one on editing pet photos, but this time using your little one!😻😻 Cheers! Felix the Cat. 😺😺
I think that the clone tool is one of the tools that will appear in due course, hopefully like a layer merge.
@@iandobson8846 I hope so too! 😼😼
Unfortunately I have only ever had the default in my developer. the other thing to note is that you can use the crop 1st and still have access to the develope raw slider
Yes true, crop is a unique tool and, as you say, can be applied first and still leave develop raw accessible. It's because it's not a tool that alters the physical pixel qualities in any way.
@@AnthonyTurnham So how do you get more of those developing tools in the drop down?
When is the background removal function going to be released?
Not sure mate. 😕 The tech is there already though... Hopefully implemented soon...
Truly excellent Anthony and very well explained. Neo is integral now to my processing and the software will only get better and better. My one area of doubt is it's catalogue capability and RAW processing. Recently, I have been using DXO for it's incredible RAW / Noise processing power and then finishing in Neo. The conundrum is, my yearly Adobe subscription is due very shortly for LR and Photoshop, LR having a super catalogue facility and to be honest, Id like to drop it but am tentative to do so. I tend to take in excess of 3000 shots on a nature holiday and LR was always my 'Go To' to sort everything out. Putting it simply - does Neo stand up on it's own as an editor / catalogue and use nothing else or what ?? Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Hi Roger. Great question... tbh, as you said, Lightroom's cataloguing ability is the best. So for that reason I still use it for organisation. Like you I have thousands upon thousands of images to manage. There's another company that have released a storage/ management tool but I haven't had a chance to test it properly to have a opinion. Hopefully I can get something together before your Adobe renewal...
Hi Anthony great vids. What’s the difference between AI and neo?
Hi John, great question. While they're very similar in terms of tools, they have a very different programming architecture which is designed to allow Neo to run faster. Neo is also newer and currently getting some nice updates being released.
@@AnthonyTurnham thanks for the reply as I’m a beginner with the software thing what do you recommend ?
Thanks
Anthony, thanks for your explanation using Neo, very well rounded out.! I have a quick question for you and coming from an IT background, thought that you may be able to assist. I've tried with the Skylem tech support to no avail. Even though I have the latest version of Neo, I am finding it slow to run using my 50mg raw files off Canon. Even though I'm using 16gigs of Ram, NEO seems slow as opposed to Luminar AI. Have you experienced that, or do you have to follow certain protocols with Neo? Mostly I am using Capture One, and even though it's expensive, it works a treat. Any feedback would be appreciated.?? Glad you're enjoying the NZ countryside!!!
Hi Rex, yes smaller files will run quicker although I find my 45mp 14bit files run okay. Although 16gb is said to be fine for use with Luminar, I've always found 32gb makes a big difference. I'll be building a new computer this year as my current set up is about 4 years old so I'll be stepping up to 64gb at that point. However, I do run other software and a couple of monitors (one just out of shot) while I'm working and recording videos.
I personally haven't been able to get a hand on profiles for my camera so i have been using the default profile just fine, but i have been having trouble importing my own skies. No matter what file size or format, imported skies always show up as a grayed out box that can't be applied. Might contact luminar support about it
Are you using jpeg skies?
@@AnthonyTurnham Yes, i am guessing it is a bug of some kind.
I have a library in Explorer of various skies based upon color, mood, direction of light, sunset etc. and don't recall if anyone has shown how to get them into NEO in their appropriate folders. I assume there should be a path so that one could drag/drop folders into the folder that is already part of NEO but I don't know for sure. Any info as to how and if you have the path would be most helpful. Might not be a bad idea to provide the path in your excellent videos info at the top of comment section along with all the other good info currently provided. Whenever I see interesting skies, I grab the camera and then sometimes will edit the sky to give a different look from the same set of clouds etc.
Thanks Phlotographer. Good point about the skies. I'll see what I can do. I've been super swamped with commercial photography projects recently and that's kept me away from new videos unfortunately.
@@AnthonyTurnham Glad to hear you are busy. Would be interesting to see some of your commercial work. Always enjoy your real estate image and how you edit. I need to do something with NEO to help another retired pro wedding portrait photographer to replace a sky and I just don't like the way Skylum does their Catalogue and am now sure what they now are doing with their providing photographers to add their own skies as I know how I have mine organized but not sure if I can organize the same in NEO. I like to use my Explorer tree structure and for some of my programs such as Affinity Photo and PSX it works fine but Skylum does things differently. Any info you have would be appreciated. TIA
Hi! This grass layer trick was very nice!
Just a short question if I may. I can see difference between "Develop Raw/Color/White balance/temperature" (temperature unit : [Kelvin] ), and simple "Develop/Color/White balance/temperature" (temperature unit : simple numbering from -100 to +100). Is it a mistake or has it any reason to make difference between Kelvin value and numbering value adjustment? (numbering adjustment of WB is very rude, 1 step causes high step from basic). Always need to go back to the Develope Raw if I used copy-paste or preset copy functions previously and need to re-adjust the WB. thx!
Hi Tom Tom, no mistake there. Kelvin is used by raw files. Once your out of raw develop you're dealing with non-raw adjustments so the traditional style -100 to 100 scale is used as the kelvin temp can no longer be accurately determined.
Would luminar be any good for astrophotography? Or could you do a video on it, please.
Absolutely Mark! I did a video on Astro Photography editing using Luminar AI that you can check out here: ua-cam.com/video/Q-F7W5FLz2s/v-deo.html and most (if not all) of the principals and tools carry over to Luminar Neo.
@@AnthonyTurnham I'll check that out thank you.
These are great tutorials and I learn a lot but my biggest problem at the moment is that Neo keeps crashing - very frustrating and I've tried everything advised.
Mine keeps freezing
Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling? Are you using the updated v1.7?
Yes I am having trouble with the profiles. Can't seem to get/download any thing.
OK. Noted Hubert. Thanks
Don't ever let anyone give you jazz about your "creative" edits. Do you think they look at an Ansel Adams print and say, "That scene wasn't really monochrome." ? I like your creative edits MORE - even when I would make different choices.
Good point Roger. Thanks 🙂
Hi Anthony if let say my last back in January and I already backup and move to external hard drive and few month later how to continue to backup and move catalog?
Hi. Good question. I'd kinda need to know more about your setup to cover this and I think its a bit oo long an answer for the comment thread. Have you reached out to the Skylum helpdesk?
P.S. - Forgot to say in previous comment:- How about a demo of how to use your own sky photos and add them to a sky library ??
Good idea!
At 08:28 he realised “Oh How I miss LUMINAR 4”
Now with update 7 you can remove the background from the top layer with humans in luminar neo by using mask AI automatically.😀
How come no-one is talking about this? It is confusing.
I would rather see the sun positioned far to the left rather than the rays added in the center of the image.
Fair enough. I think in a "proper" edit for me, rather than as a demo/tutorial that's what I'd be doing and using my sky library to get a sky that matched that aesthetic and correct sun position.
Still doesn't work smooth on Window's ,It has a lot delay
Hi mate. What's your PC specs? I know it can be pretty memory and processor hungry.
@@AnthonyTurnham Ryzen7, 16 Gb memory ram; I use Photoshop as well and I have no issues.
My question is: Is Luminar NEO faster than Luminar AI?
Good question. In my experience yes. Particularly as we add more and more adjustments to our edit. That's when it's really noticeable that Neo is faster. Exporting can still take a while as a of the tools need to be fully calculated and rendered out.
@@AnthonyTurnham Ok, thanks! Export speed is not an issue, its more the constant stutter and freezes during the editing process
skylums products are so good, its pretty much cheating compare to the old way of editing. i used your discount code, when i bought neo. i kinda felt guilty about what they are dealing with in Ukraine. they fighting for their land while im trying to save a buck