Seymour Beaver Yes, we had a 504 Estate in Libya. Tremendously reliable and simple enough to keep on the road in a country where spares just were not available.. The 505 that followed it on the other hand.....
Fascinating. The one he’s driving was first registered in July of 1974, and went untaxed by February of 1986. He stated that the diesel was costing £.545 per (imperial) gallon, or 1.2 US gallon or just over 4.5 liters, or £6.50 or so today, whereas now UK diesel is nearing £2 per *litre*.
Not quite. 404 is LEGENDARY with XD88 1.9 Diesel. 404 does NOT HAVE CHAIN or timing belt but it is GEAR driven. Also 404 was last produced car in HISTORY with WARM drive differential. 504 familiale has only 1 version with WARM drive differential
Same people that produced the world at war both totally superb thank you brings back memories as a young lad in the early 70s watching the world at war with pops
The 504 and the Merc w123 diesels.two of the best cars ever made.ive had many,some with 500k on them and still going strong.we had one that done 730k before the engine wore out!
Had the use of a ‘74 504d the summer of ‘83 when I was 18. I don’t think I have driven a car since that rode as well. Comfortable car with a distinct character, memorable.
Same here. A ‘74 504D, for 2 years 1988-1989. It still ran flawlessly despite being attacked by rust, as it lived in USA northeast where roadsalt is used in the winter.
1:30 When you hear this man speak, you appreciate the sad reality of just how low the bar has fallen for England. And over a worryingly short period of time.
The Peugeot 404 and 504 diesels along with every Mercedes diesel up to that point WERE purpose-built taxis. Any sales to private customers were gravy. The VW Golf I/Rabbit was the first car dieselized primarily as a personal/family car.
This car would be perfectly drivable today and even better than most of the new cars. The presenter should have shown the interior qualities of the 504, like the seamlessly reclineable front seats forming a king-size bed with the rear seats. Comfort of ride was also excellent and inside it was bigger than a Tesla S. Not to mention the estate version with 7 or 8 seats.
@@philnewstead5388 I'll always remember that the front seats really were reclineable the way that there was no gap or obstacle between the front seats and the back bench! It was better than many beds at home! And of course, the ride was very smooth!
My dad had a diesel Peugeot in the early eighties.Everywhere we went you would see curtains twitching to see who had ordered a black cab,which was a luxury reserved for people getting out of hospital back then.
"You can cruise at 70, albeit rather busily"... what he means there is that the racket inside that car at 70 mph would be unbelievable by modern standards. It REALLY needed a 5th gear! Still - there are times I miss my 504 GLD.
Bonjour 🐕 .j’ai eu plusieurs 504 GLD Diesel de très bonne voiture, mes la meilleure voiture reste la DS 19 ou 20 .a cette époque les Français fesai de très bonnes voiture facile à réparer. Amitiés 🐕 💓 🐕 💓 🐕
seeing he didn't KNOW what modern standards were that is a perfectly acceptable explanation. Language howvere has evolved in a way in which you now have to exaggerate and emphasize everything so much so as to convey the slightest inconvenience that you can no longer trust anyone's word.
@@Team33Team33 Merci mais j'avais compris qu'elle parlait (Louise ça sonne féminin) de DS. Vu que le sujet est le moteur diesel ça prêtait à confusion.
I owned a a Peugeot 504 diesel made in 1979. Brought it in 2003,& owned it for 2 years. At 400,000 kms it was somewhat smokey at start up. When warmed up it still drove well, and gave 6.5 litres per 100km. In the end,it was buying second hand interior door handles at $50 a pop, and there being relatively few in country Oz, made for expensive upkeep . Sold it, and 504 ended up in Middle East,there known as desert taxis.
Neale Newton , we had one too, a 1979 504 diesel for a few years in the late 90’s. We loved that car, so comfortable. But living in inner city Sydney we became embarrassed with the very big clouds of smoke on start ups. I’m sure the car was still good for many years after we sold it
To turn off the engine you cut fuel supply. Good old fashioned design. Later, on the 505 there was as stop solenoid which could malfunction so the car wouldn't start. In that event you could try pulling off the electrical cable to the solenoid and dabbing it to earth. If you hear a click, then the solenoid has freed itself and it will start immediately. Those Peugeot diesels were prone to over heating, but an oil cooler took care of that. Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
The venerable 504, here in Argentina they kept being produced till 2000 and even today many remain in the roads as they are quite robust and extremely cheap
Great video, very informative and to the point, love those flared pants, shoes and 70's hair style. The Peugeot 504 diesel was popular as a taxi cab in French colonial outposts, remember them well in New Caledonia and French Polynesia and also in Egypt.
WEW Nichols was a little flustered when asked about emissions. He must have known that it was quite the polluter, although of course petrol engines were not running on unleaded back then.
I noticed that deer in the headlights look as well. Of course, this was in 1974, and diesels were still being touted as being less of a polluter than petrol engines, and the EU had a near universal program to encourage people to buy diesels. Turned out we were trading one kind of of pollutant for ones with a far higher impact on human health. Diesel fuel also now costs more in the US than gasoline, so any savings from more MPG is eaten up in cost per gallon. Back in 1974, diesel fuel was significantly cheaper that gasoline. Just another example of a government program attacking one problem by creating two more.
@@Landie_Man You can thank China and India for a large part of the increased cost of diesel. About 75% of the vehicles in India and 80% in China are diesel powered. As more cars hit the road, demand for diesel skyrocketed, and so did prices. In the US, it was also a combination of taxes and phasing in ultra low sulphur diesel really jacked up the cost in the US. All this started in about 2000, so it has also been 20 years here. Diesel prices have been coming down as the cost to convert refineries to the ultra low sup[her fuel has been paid off along with a continuing decrease in over the road diesel. At one time, the price differential was almost 40 cents a gallon, and that has now come down to 10-15 cents. I've even seen a few stations with diesel at the same price as mid-grade gasoline.
Sar Jim that’s interesting to known thank you. at the moment, diesel here, If we convert it from pounds to American dollars, using US gallons, it’s about $6.38 a gallon for diesel. Which is very low. It’s been much Much more in recent years.
I used to own a 504 with the 2.3 diesel. I couldn't get the head gasket to seal on the original engine (despite 23 head bolts) and in the end I fitted a later 2.3 with a five speed transmission from a pickup. After that it was a brilliant car. I used to tow two ton car trailers with it and you would hardly notice that they were there. Mine had a massive factory sunroof and it was a lovely thing to cruise around in on summer days. Once I pulled a mate out of a ditch with and he was rather surprised how well it could pull.
Sound like the head may have been warped on that earlier engine. Might have been more work to get that to work right. Sounds like you did well to replace that engine.
Bonjour Monsieur oui c'était le gros défaut du moteur Indenor. Encore aujourd'hui les personnes qui ont connu les modèles 404 ,504 ,505 ,604 parlent du joint de culasse avant cette excellente routière confortable. Mon père a eu une 404 neuve et a fait deux joints de culasse a 10 000 et 20 000 kms et après plus de problème revendus à 90 000 quatorze années plus tard pour la Tunisie 😢 J'ai aujourd'hui un peu toute la gamme Indenor 1,9 dans mon Break 404 . 2,5 dans mon J7 modifier boite 5 Et un 2,5 TD dans ma 505
@@bonusnudgesthis true, I found out (to my own cost) that the thread in the block on the early engines isn't strong enough to take the torque rating of later head bolts. Peugeot actually revised the bolts and the torque rating twice which does seem to suggest that there was a design problem with them.
It's amazing how in just a little over 6 minutes these people transferred a lot more (and a lot more useful) information than today's tubers with all their endless yaddayadda! Guess it's just me, though, getting old and babbling about the good old times...
"the infotainment system this...the infotainment system that... Basic gets 7".... Upgrade gets you 8".... Optional can get you a 10" and after 15 minutes of talking about that silly screen, you can't even remember what car were they testing, let alone know how well it drives, handles or brakes.
it's not just you, but there are still good young youtubers around that give concise info and don;t clickbait and bombard you with sponsors. YOU have just be disciplined and BLOCK all bullshit youtubers from your feed and only subscribe to quality ones.
My late uncle used to boast about this car and later on when I grow up and drive a 304 cabrio, I can understand why cos its such a babe magnet and engine is good.
Still one of the most popular cars in west Africa. You see the estates stuffed with vegetables, back broken and the floor scraping along the road carrying farm produce into the city. Or the saloon with the boot full of chopped up cow. I also used to be driven around Syria in a petrol saloon in the 90s. It was slow but never missed a beat
The idea was that when you first started the engine you would raise the idle speed to ensure good oil pressure and warm the engine up for at least a couple of minutes . In those days you could leave a car ticking over without someone stealing it . When you you ready to drive off normally you would decrease the idle speed back to low .
I had a 504 diesel a year or two newer than this one. Peugeot automated the startup, so you just turned the key to warm the glowplugs and a bit more to start it. It was horribly slow, but the great waves of torque made it tolerable to drive. Unfortunately, the diesel engine weighed 1000 pounds more than the petrol one and it really needed power steering, which it didn't have. So parking was a chore and the steering was always heavy and slow. Still, it was a car with a lot of character and quite interesting to drive, although not even a bit sporty.
I agree on most of your points but the diesel was about 200 lbs heavier. Power steering only arrived in 1976 and with a brilliantly balanced feel. Only the 1976 xd90 Diesel engine had the mountings for the power steering pump. 1977 saw the xd88/90 superseded by the more powerful xd2 2.3 liter diesel.
@@famousutopias Thanks for the corrections and extra info. It all sounds correct. Mine was a 1976--the very last model with a solid Gold Lion on the grille instead of an outline. We had an optional electric engine block heater installed. Even so, starting it on very cold Winter mornings wa often a bit of a gamble. Very comfortable and stylish, though and quite economical on fuel.
I love these types of videos, I like to see what the cars looked like, what technology was available, what the components were made of Etc, The price of petrol & diesel compared to today, and what the other cars, road signs looked like. This all a few years before I was born.
That lovely refined sound of a diesel in a car, I SAID THAT LOVELY REFINED SOUND OF A DIESEL IN A CAR. Lets be fair modern diesels are only half as noisy not matter how much finance you pay for a car.
The model was here 504 L diesel. 504 L was introduded around 1973-1974 as a cheaper version. More expensive 504 GL (also diesel) had separate rear suspension, 504 L had "stiff" rear axle like Volvo 740. 504 GL (1974) (and 505) had key start as a diesel without starting button. It had electric solenoid for key start operation as a diesel. The outside door handles were changed to modern flap-style for 1975, this 1974 had push button door handles. 1974 diesel had some problems with some backwards fuel feed line (??) for low emission(?), that fuel feed could be taken away from car and problem disappeared (and higher emissions?).
Those old diesels could have run on chip fat back then, IDI engines were bombproof. Currently run an old 1.5d corsa on a mix of derv/filtered oil, halved the cost of driving.
I Remember an article in local newspaper yrs ago about Old Jimmy MacGourlay's (RiP) 504d Taxi, having it from new, he'd clocked 586,000mls on original engine & how it lasted another 100,000mls after he'd sold it on !
The 505 was a tough old bus. While parked up in that Exhibition Centre in Birmingham catching some zzzzs, an immigrant who must have got his driving licence in exchange for six Corn Flakes box tops, drove into the back of me. No damage to the 505 but the same couldn't be said for Mustapha Jihad's vehicle. Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
Yes, amazing to think that most cars were scrap after 10 years or so in the 1970s. I'm still driving round in a rust-free car that's 17 years old with 192k miles on it.
@@lewis72 That's why I roll my eyes when I hear people say "Oooh, they don't make 'em like they used to!" There were some old cars that were very sturdily built but most were deathtraps and rustbuckets.
@@torresalex They were nearly ALL rust buckets and crash integrity has vastly improved over the years. I have worked for a number of car companies in engineering, so I get to see what happens on the inside.
Saw one same colour in Ghana in 2014. It was immaculate. Photographed a blue '73 example here in Ireland in 2019. A little dog eared but in every day use. Great cars.
@@jasoncarpp7742 Your numbers are wrong. 504 replaced by 505. I can't remember if the 405 ever made it across the pond. Edit: Apparently the 405 was, for 3 years until Peugeot abandoned the market.
C.A.V.'s Mr Cholmondely Walner rightly extolling the the prevailing Diesel virtues. Misleading glowplug description from TV man and emissions benefits however were clearly relative to the spluttering carburetor petrol car era- only lingering in motorbike fumes today. I've had 35 years Diesel motoring with many great Peugeot, Mercedes and Land Rovers. On a 160,000 mile Skoda Yeti Diesel presently which goes like a rocket and feels like a new car.
51WCDodge there’s an LT1 black taxi near me on a 2001 X plate that had done 538,000 by 2012. I spoke to the owner and he said the hackney inspections and MOTs are now council kept and not on the DVLA website. So by 2019 it was on 912,655 miles.
@@JohnnyPaton And yet Old Cars are the Scourge of the Cities Lungs! . Hold on!! I rebuild Land Rovers for a hobby. Both my Discoveries one a V8, on LPG is 1999 and a 2005 TD5 have been put back on the road using parts from other vehicles, those vehicles have also supplied parts to keep othrs on the road. So the minimum amount goes for scrap, saving the Co2 and other costs of recycling. I have saved the enviromental costs of building at least two new vehicles. And I'm told I'm not Green?
Still should be developed / adopted; much better than horrid plastic boxes running of batteries that take over 300 Gallons of water to put out when they inevitably catch fire 😅
Ford used the later refined XD 2 and 3 in the Sierra and Granada. With Turbo and intercooler in last 505.Peugeot took the speed and endurance record at MIRA.
I couldn't find how the lights switched on in one of these when I drove one once. Bril. cars though they seemed to go on forever as taxis in places like the middle east and Africa.
I had a 504 in the mid 1980s for a short time. Petrol engine I think. Oil light came on when going round a roundabout. Wonderfully comfortable seats and all very French elegant, but had to go for Ford Fiesta practicality
That looks exactly like my car in the early 80’s , same model, same colour, same reg , ugly as sin, supremely comfortable, rugged, a fantastic car ! 👌🏻😎
Looking back I think flares suited the likes of Bowie,Ferry and Bolan. The problem was when main stream Britain started to mix them with sports jackets and ties! Case in point
Love Richard's polyester white flares looking as if he stepped out of ' Saturday Night Fever ', bet he's cringing now.Remember him on Thames late night programme ' Drive In ' showing you how to change the ignition points in your Mini Clubman !.
because to run large vehicles on gasoline will be very expensive and gas guzzling...we are making some headway with batteries and electric but even that takes a lot of $$$
All a big con to get people to take up electric cars. Something had to give. In years to come they will create some new super-duper battery tech that charges super fast and gives great range. That's when you'll learn that Li-ion batteries give everyone cancer. You heard it here first.
504 deseil! Still going strong as personal cars and taxis throughout the middle east, 40yrs after it started production. And the basic block, with smaller liners and pistons in its 1.6 guise and ultrahigh compression, is under the bonnets of Toyota Yaris, Corrola etc, Mini,Bmw's, peugeots, citroens, vauhaulls. Basically unless its nissan,renault, honda or ford then the 504 deisel engines are in your car.
Simon Abbott I haven’t heard one in about 6 years now (having moved to North America) but I have an old GMC pick up truck with a V8 Detroit Diesel & the PSA sounded strangely similar. Must be the IDI combustion chamber... designed by Ricardo
54-1/2 p a gallon for diesel, I remember when petrol went up to 50p a gallon, I had a 50cc Gilera at the time and it seemed expensive even though I was getting 80mpg, I have no idea how much it is now, no one buys by gallons these days, its £20 £30 or brim it,
It was all about who had the biggest flares back then, I remember running back to the school coach after swimming one day and getting my foot caught in the opposite flare and ending up flat on my face in the car park. Happy days.
Probably one of the best french cars ever made : pleasant to look and drive and overall reliable and solid as a rock, Pininfarina style with « Sophia Loren’s eyes » headlights according to designers who worked on its shape in the 60’s... Very popular in France in its time until the early 90´s and even in New York City streets as yellow cabs in the early 80’s, it became rare in good condition after and still desirable to my eyes, especially in TI version with sunroof !! It will remain in my memories forever, bring back in the 80’s when I was a kid when I already loved this car !! It was a 1978 Sedan GLD, white body with blue seats 😀.
Bonjour merci à vous deux pour le compliment de cette voiture française venant du peuple britannique c'est un grand test et une preuve que c'était une voiture agréable et solide confirmée par le peuple du Maghreb et Afrique
Yes diesel fuel back in the 70s n 80s was much cheaper than petrol the government then realized that diesels were becoming more popular and raised the price at the pump.
I love the old boy and his explanation in layman terms. Jolly well splendid job, old chap.
I bet that that car is still running around in West Africa.
Most assuredly. A gentleman mate of ours says it's the only carriage he'd ever be comfy in. He's a PhD scholar in his 30s.
Seymour Beaver Yes, we had a 504 Estate in Libya. Tremendously reliable and simple enough to keep on the road in a country where spares just were not available.. The 505 that followed it on the other hand.....
It actually is.
Seymour Beaver and East Africa.
Seymour Beaver The story gets better. The Peugeot 504 was build in Nigeria until 2006!
I live in Bavaria and my Dad bought in1970 a Peugeot 404 Diesel with wopping 57bHp... 1975 this car needed new front fenders due to rust...
Fascinating. The one he’s driving was first registered in July of 1974, and went untaxed by February of 1986. He stated that the diesel was costing £.545 per (imperial) gallon, or 1.2 US gallon or just over 4.5 liters, or £6.50 or so today, whereas now UK diesel is nearing £2 per *litre*.
Little did he know this car will still run 50 years later in Africa and Middle East
The Peugeot 504 was a legendary car.
And still is, it is still in service in North Africa
I had one in 1993 . I loved it !
Peugeot ' s Legende 🇨🇵
Not quite. 404 is LEGENDARY with XD88 1.9 Diesel. 404 does NOT HAVE CHAIN or timing belt but it is GEAR driven. Also 404 was last produced car in HISTORY with WARM drive differential. 504 familiale has only 1 version with WARM drive differential
Same people that produced the world at war both totally superb thank you brings back memories as a young lad in the early 70s watching the world at war with pops
The 504 and the Merc w123 diesels.two of the best cars ever made.ive had many,some with 500k on them and still going strong.we had one that done 730k before the engine wore out!
add in the legendary volvo 240 and you have the most reliable 3 cars ever made
Legendary car in Africa. Peugeot 504 is loved by everyone there. Bulletproof cars.
Tenho uma 504 diesel o motor Indenor XD2 é uma obra prima da engenharia, aqui no Brasil é difícil mecânico para esse motor
@@junersilva4319 I can understand. Great engines indeed. Hard to fix.
Had the use of a ‘74 504d the summer of ‘83 when I was 18. I don’t think I have driven a car since that rode as well. Comfortable car with a distinct character, memorable.
Same here. A ‘74 504D, for 2 years 1988-1989. It still ran flawlessly despite being attacked by rust, as it lived in USA northeast where roadsalt is used in the winter.
1:30 When you hear this man speak, you appreciate the sad reality of just how low the bar has fallen for England. And over a worryingly short period of time.
For what reason?
@@isthereanybodyoutthere9397 He's well spoken, and intelligent. And what's more, it was respected instead of scoffed at like it would be today.
they don't bring on chief engineers on tv these days..can you imagine Clarkson trying to explain this
He sounded like a comic upper class twit from Monty Python
An accent doesn't denote intelligence
The Peugeot 404 and 504 diesels along with every Mercedes diesel up to that point WERE purpose-built taxis. Any sales to private customers were gravy. The VW Golf I/Rabbit was the first car dieselized primarily as a personal/family car.
This car would be perfectly drivable today and even better than most of the new cars. The presenter should have shown the interior qualities of the 504, like the seamlessly reclineable front seats forming a king-size bed with the rear seats. Comfort of ride was also excellent and inside it was bigger than a Tesla S. Not to mention the estate version with 7 or 8 seats.
Juri Vlk very comfortable too as I remember.
@@philnewstead5388 I'll always remember that the front seats really were reclineable the way that there was no gap or obstacle between the front seats and the back bench! It was better than many beds at home! And of course, the ride was very smooth!
@@philnewstead5388 Drove the petrol version and not the 55hp Diesel. The petrol one was much faster!
Lol now that's more BS than in in a cow barn
@@LegateMalpais most cow barns contain exact 0 bulls, just for your information.....
Love Mr Cholmondley Warner explaining how a diesel works.
My dad had a diesel Peugeot in the early eighties.Everywhere we went you would see curtains twitching to see who had ordered a black cab,which was a luxury reserved for people getting out of hospital back then.
Those trousers are an absolute triumph
"504diesel" is very popular in japan.
at the time,diesel engine was excluded from regulation of exaust system.
"You can cruise at 70, albeit rather busily"... what he means there is that the racket inside that car at 70 mph would be unbelievable by modern standards. It REALLY needed a 5th gear! Still - there are times I miss my 504 GLD.
Bonjour 🐕 .j’ai eu plusieurs 504 GLD Diesel de très bonne voiture, mes la meilleure voiture reste la DS 19 ou 20 .a cette époque les Français fesai de très bonnes voiture facile à réparer. Amitiés 🐕 💓 🐕 💓 🐕
@@louisemichel9999 Inutile d'écrire Diesel puisque le D de GLD veut dire Diesel. Les DS n'ont jamais eu de moteurs diesel à ma connaissance.
seeing he didn't KNOW what modern standards were that is a perfectly acceptable explanation. Language howvere has evolved in a way in which you now have to exaggerate and emphasize everything so much so as to convey the slightest inconvenience that you can no longer trust anyone's word.
@@thomasharter8161 votre "connaissance" est correcte, mais il ne parlait PAS de moteur diesel ! Il parlait de la citroen DS.
@@Team33Team33 Merci mais j'avais compris qu'elle parlait (Louise ça sonne féminin) de DS. Vu que le sujet est le moteur diesel ça prêtait à confusion.
I owned a a Peugeot 504 diesel made in 1979. Brought it in 2003,& owned it for 2 years. At 400,000 kms it was somewhat smokey at start up. When warmed up it still drove well, and gave 6.5 litres per 100km. In the end,it was buying second hand interior door handles at $50 a pop, and there being relatively few in country Oz, made for expensive upkeep . Sold it, and 504 ended up in Middle East,there known as desert taxis.
Neale Newton , we had one too, a 1979 504 diesel for a few years in the late 90’s. We loved that car, so comfortable. But living in inner city Sydney we became embarrassed with the very big clouds of smoke on start ups. I’m sure the car was still good for many years after we sold it
I love looking back in time when watching these videos. Fascinating, thanks.
To turn off the engine you cut fuel supply. Good old fashioned design. Later, on the 505 there was as stop solenoid which could malfunction so the car wouldn't start. In that event you could try pulling off the electrical cable to the solenoid and dabbing it to earth. If you hear a click, then the solenoid has freed itself and it will start immediately. Those Peugeot diesels were prone to over heating, but an oil cooler took care of that.
Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
The venerable 504, here in Argentina they kept being produced till 2000 and even today many remain in the roads as they are quite robust and extremely cheap
Great video, very informative and to the point, love those flared pants, shoes and 70's hair style. The Peugeot 504 diesel was popular as a taxi cab in French colonial outposts, remember them well in New Caledonia and French Polynesia and also in Egypt.
The 504 was a lovely car. The good old days!
WEW Nichols was a little flustered when asked about emissions. He must have known that it was quite the polluter, although of course petrol engines were not running on unleaded back then.
I noticed that deer in the headlights look as well. Of course, this was in 1974, and diesels were still being touted as being less of a polluter than petrol engines, and the EU had a near universal program to encourage people to buy diesels. Turned out we were trading one kind of of pollutant for ones with a far higher impact on human health. Diesel fuel also now costs more in the US than gasoline, so any savings from more MPG is eaten up in cost per gallon. Back in 1974, diesel fuel was significantly cheaper that gasoline. Just another example of a government program attacking one problem by creating two more.
Sar Jim diesel has Been more expensive here for about 20 years I’d say.
@@Landie_Man You can thank China and India for a large part of the increased cost of diesel. About 75% of the vehicles in India and 80% in China are diesel powered. As more cars hit the road, demand for diesel skyrocketed, and so did prices. In the US, it was also a combination of taxes and phasing in ultra low sulphur diesel really jacked up the cost in the US. All this started in about 2000, so it has also been 20 years here. Diesel prices have been coming down as the cost to convert refineries to the ultra low sup[her fuel has been paid off along with a continuing decrease in over the road diesel. At one time, the price differential was almost 40 cents a gallon, and that has now come down to 10-15 cents. I've even seen a few stations with diesel at the same price as mid-grade gasoline.
Sar Jim that’s interesting to known thank you. at the moment, diesel here, If we convert it from pounds to American dollars, using US gallons, it’s about $6.38 a gallon for diesel. Which is very low. It’s been much
Much more in recent years.
Father had petrol top of range 504 nice motor..
I used to own a 504 with the 2.3 diesel. I couldn't get the head gasket to seal on the original engine (despite 23 head bolts) and in the end I fitted a later 2.3 with a five speed transmission from a pickup. After that it was a brilliant car. I used to tow two ton car trailers with it and you would hardly notice that they were there. Mine had a massive factory sunroof and it was a lovely thing to cruise around in on summer days. Once I pulled a mate out of a ditch with and he was rather surprised how well it could pull.
Sound like the head may have been warped on that earlier engine. Might have been more work to get that to work right. Sounds like you did well to replace that engine.
I didn't understand how you installed 5 speed on it. Can you explain
Bonjour Monsieur oui c'était le gros défaut du moteur Indenor.
Encore aujourd'hui les personnes qui ont connu les modèles 404 ,504 ,505 ,604 parlent du joint de culasse avant cette excellente routière confortable.
Mon père a eu une 404 neuve et a fait deux joints de culasse a 10 000 et 20 000 kms et après plus de problème revendus à 90 000 quatorze années plus tard pour la Tunisie 😢
J'ai aujourd'hui un peu toute la gamme Indenor 1,9 dans mon Break 404 .
2,5 dans mon J7 modifier boite 5
Et un 2,5 TD dans ma 505
Peugeot brought out a revised head torquing sequence for the 2.3 and 2.5 Engines. This seemed to help the problem.
@@bonusnudgesthis true, I found out (to my own cost) that the thread in the block on the early engines isn't strong enough to take the torque rating of later head bolts. Peugeot actually revised the bolts and the torque rating twice which does seem to suggest that there was a design problem with them.
It's amazing how in just a little over 6 minutes these people transferred a lot more (and a lot more useful) information than today's tubers with all their endless yaddayadda!
Guess it's just me, though, getting old and babbling about the good old times...
Yeah, it's just you.
I should take your advice as I am a babbler 😅 The professionalism of tjat CAV engineer was legendary yet sad as that era is over😢
"the infotainment system this...the infotainment system that... Basic gets 7".... Upgrade gets you 8".... Optional can get you a 10" and after 15 minutes of talking about that silly screen, you can't even remember what car were they testing, let alone know how well it drives, handles or brakes.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod Absolutely. Crazy how far diesels came along in such a short space of time and these presenters are sadly no more.
it's not just you, but there are still good young youtubers around that give concise info and don;t clickbait and bombard you with sponsors.
YOU have just be disciplined and BLOCK all bullshit youtubers from your feed and only subscribe to quality ones.
The last mot on that Peugeot expired in feb 1986, registered in 75
My late uncle used to boast about this car and later on when I grow up and drive a 304 cabrio, I can understand why cos its such a babe magnet and engine is good.
I own a Merc W123 240D from 1983? alltough fitted with a 5spd manual. lovely car and perfectly daily drivable
I can't wait to get one of these delicious diesel models from my Peugeot dealer today😼👍
He was so confident answering the questions until he stuttered on exhaust emissions.
@The Stig's English cousin There is nothing worse than cheating and lieing.
Ian Purcell yes there is, getting caught
@@pcplod8951 Or spelling lying wrong.
Back in those days there was still lead in petrol, so diesels may have been less polluting
@@m.chagaev.8589 Indeed there was,how short sighted us humans are.
I'm beginning to realize that the French build really good cars.
Os motores são ótimos
Still one of the most popular cars in west Africa. You see the estates stuffed with vegetables, back broken and the floor scraping along the road carrying farm produce into the city. Or the saloon with the boot full of chopped up cow.
I also used to be driven around Syria in a petrol saloon in the 90s. It was slow but never missed a beat
My father had a grey Peugeot 504, but with a petrol 1.9 i4 engine.
I miss that car so much.
Idling speed adjustment was a bit of a surprise.
The idea was that when you first started the engine you would raise the idle speed to ensure good oil pressure and warm the engine up for at least a couple of minutes . In those days you could leave a car ticking over without someone stealing it . When you you ready to drive off normally you would decrease the idle speed back to low .
I had a 504 diesel a year or two newer than this one. Peugeot automated the startup, so you just turned the key to warm the glowplugs and a bit more to start it. It was horribly slow, but the great waves of torque made it tolerable to drive. Unfortunately, the diesel engine weighed 1000 pounds more than the petrol one and it really needed power steering, which it didn't have. So parking was a chore and the steering was always heavy and slow. Still, it was a car with a lot of character and quite interesting to drive, although not even a bit sporty.
don't mention diesel with sporty. If you wanted sportier then the petrol 504GL or TI was your choice.
" the diesel engine weighed 1000 pounds more than the petrol one " better have another look at that statement.
1000 pounds more??????
I agree on most of your points but the diesel was about 200 lbs heavier. Power steering only arrived in 1976 and with a brilliantly balanced feel. Only the 1976 xd90 Diesel engine had the mountings for the power steering pump. 1977 saw the xd88/90 superseded by the more powerful xd2 2.3 liter diesel.
@@famousutopias Thanks for the corrections and extra info. It all sounds correct. Mine was a 1976--the very last model with a solid Gold Lion on the grille instead of an outline. We had an optional electric engine block heater installed. Even so, starting it on very cold Winter mornings wa often a bit of a gamble. Very comfortable and stylish, though and quite economical on fuel.
Nice 504 with it's lovely new paint.
I love these types of videos, I like to see what the cars looked like, what technology was available, what the components were made of Etc, The price of petrol & diesel compared to today, and what the other cars, road signs looked like. This all a few years before I was born.
That car is still trying to reach 60mph....
Thames TV seem to have filmed a lot of their car videos around Epsom. Recognised those roads everytime.
back in nicer timed
1:04 hope they fitted some sound deadening material, it sounds like a bag of spanners!
The 504 is nice quiet and inside. The bag of spanners sound (diesel rattle) settles down once the engine is above idle.
54 P PER GALLON 👍 its now £1 . 20 a liter from 10p a liter in 1974 its insane .
That lovely refined sound of a diesel in a car, I SAID THAT LOVELY REFINED SOUND OF A DIESEL IN A CAR. Lets be fair modern diesels are only half as noisy not matter how much finance you pay for a car.
The model was here 504 L diesel. 504 L was introduded around 1973-1974 as a cheaper version. More expensive 504 GL (also diesel) had separate rear suspension, 504 L had "stiff" rear axle like Volvo 740. 504 GL (1974) (and 505) had key start as a diesel without starting button. It had electric solenoid for key start operation as a diesel. The outside door handles were changed to modern flap-style for 1975, this 1974 had push button door handles. 1974 diesel had some problems with some backwards fuel feed line (??) for low emission(?), that fuel feed could be taken away from car and problem disappeared (and higher emissions?).
Love the orange AEC Matadors, Ford Transit and Ford D series in a funky modern livery.
03:22 Nicolls is thinking about his future executive position at VW!
@Jim Barrows Peugeot Diesel better than KDF Wagen Diesel
504s were awesome durable cars.
Crazy britts with only one sidemirror!
Blue clouds out the back!!!!
Those old diesels could have run on chip fat back then, IDI engines were bombproof.
Currently run an old 1.5d corsa on a mix of derv/filtered oil, halved the cost of driving.
I Remember an article in local newspaper yrs ago about Old Jimmy MacGourlay's (RiP) 504d Taxi, having it from new, he'd clocked 586,000mls on original engine & how it lasted another 100,000mls after he'd sold it on !
I will just put on my white cream polyester flares to look in this engine;)
They are a cracking pair of lionels to be fair
@@biglads4tw true
Mr. W.E.W. Nicolls sounds like Crunchy Frog guy from Monty Python
Stop that. It's silly.
richards9407 ...yes , stop that, its obviously mr chumley warner
I had one, it was always in the shop
The 505 was a tough old bus. While parked up in that Exhibition Centre in Birmingham catching some zzzzs, an immigrant who must have got his driving licence in exchange for six Corn Flakes box tops, drove into the back of me. No damage to the 505 but the same couldn't be said for Mustapha Jihad's vehicle.
Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
I been that reg on this Peogoet 504 on the government website. Last the car on the road was 1986.
Destroyed by rust, most likely. 504s (in particular the diesels) proved to be very mechanically robust otherwise
12 years for a 70s car was pretty good any which way.
Yes, amazing to think that most cars were scrap after 10 years or so in the 1970s.
I'm still driving round in a rust-free car that's 17 years old with 192k miles on it.
@@lewis72 That's why I roll my eyes when I hear people say "Oooh, they don't make 'em like they used to!" There were some old cars that were very sturdily built but most were deathtraps and rustbuckets.
@@torresalex
They were nearly ALL rust buckets and crash integrity has vastly improved over the years.
I have worked for a number of car companies in engineering, so I get to see what happens on the inside.
Lovely video. And that expert gentleman has quite an accent, doesn't he? Or how do you call it?
These cars are still running in Africa. They are renowned for their sturdiness and reliability
I remember pleading with my dad to buy a 504…..he bought an Austin 1800. ☹️
Ah those were the days when an engineer looked like an engineer
And spoke like an engineer.
Bring back the mechanical hood strut please
Lovely looking car. The last time I saw a Peugeot 504 was back in the 1980s.
Saw one same colour in Ghana in 2014. It was immaculate. Photographed a blue '73 example here in Ireland in 2019. A little dog eared but in every day use.
Great cars.
The 405 was sold here in the USA until the 1980s, when it was replaced by the 505.
@@jasoncarpp7742 Your numbers are wrong.
504 replaced by 505. I can't remember if the 405 ever made it across the pond.
Edit: Apparently the 405 was, for 3 years until Peugeot abandoned the market.
@@yeoldegamer5112 405 was produced from mid '80s to '90s. It was replaced by 406.
The 405 - is the Pikes Peak record car, 406 is the "Taxi" movie car.
@@jareknowak8712 Yes, I know that. I was correcting Jason Carpp's statement that the 405 replaced the 504.
It was nice for me to look at Epsom Downs again.
C.A.V.'s Mr Cholmondely Walner rightly extolling the the prevailing Diesel virtues. Misleading glowplug description from TV man and emissions benefits however were clearly relative to the spluttering carburetor petrol car era- only lingering in motorbike fumes today. I've had 35 years Diesel motoring with many great Peugeot, Mercedes and Land Rovers. On a 160,000 mile Skoda Yeti Diesel presently which goes like a rocket and feels like a new car.
I’ve currently got a 152k Octavia and had one before that did over 400k on the original engine. Imagine that it in the 1970s
@@JohnnyPaton I drive a Diesel Sprinter bus, that does over a thousand miles a week. 207,000 as of this week.
51WCDodge there’s an LT1 black taxi near me on a 2001 X plate that had done 538,000 by 2012. I spoke to the owner and he said the hackney inspections and MOTs are now council kept and not on the DVLA website. So by 2019 it was on 912,655 miles.
51WCDodge yeah my Octavia is a taxi and a 2015 plate. I normally do 1k a week also. Still on original clutch as well (touch wood)
@@JohnnyPaton And yet Old Cars are the Scourge of the Cities Lungs! . Hold on!! I rebuild Land Rovers for a hobby. Both my Discoveries one a V8, on LPG is 1999 and a 2005 TD5 have been put back on the road using parts from other vehicles, those vehicles have also supplied parts to keep othrs on the road. So the minimum amount goes for scrap, saving the Co2 and other costs of recycling. I have saved the enviromental costs of building at least two new vehicles. And I'm told I'm not Green?
If Bio Diesel had been properly developed and adopted we would all be better off.
Still should be developed / adopted; much better than horrid plastic boxes running of batteries that take over 300 Gallons of water to put out when they inevitably catch fire 😅
That familiar sound of old peugeot diesel cars .
The presenter looks like your typical 1970s school teacher
Ford used the later refined XD 2 and 3 in the Sierra and Granada. With Turbo and intercooler in last 505.Peugeot took the speed and endurance record at MIRA.
I’m sorry, but that “Thames” intro will always be associated with The Benny Hill Show.
Mitchell Pak or Mr Bean
Rainbow....
I always think of Boots Randolf's "Yakity Sax" myself...
Or Match of the day
I think of Mr Bean and the all stars wrestling .
504 - The King of Africa
I couldn't find how the lights switched on in one of these when I drove one once. Bril. cars though they seemed to go on forever as taxis in places like the middle east and Africa.
I had a 504 in the mid 1980s for a short time. Petrol engine I think. Oil light came on when going round a roundabout. Wonderfully comfortable seats and all very French elegant, but had to go for Ford Fiesta practicality
Nice trousers !
OMG. This was just like a Monty Python skit.
Gents like mr Nicols seems to run all of British industry at that time. ex military well educated and with the same grammar school plummy accent
That looks exactly like my car in the early 80’s , same model, same colour, same reg , ugly as sin, supremely comfortable, rugged, a fantastic car ! 👌🏻😎
attractive as sin
The one in this video was last taxed in Feb 1986 according to the UK Gov website. But their site say its a petrol.
Ugly as sin? This car is gorgeous!
Not really sure what’s shocked me most. The car, the camera work or those trousers!
54p per gallon ?
Good god , I wonder what the cost will be in future years .
Looking back I think flares suited the likes of Bowie,Ferry and Bolan.
The problem was when main stream Britain started to mix them with sports jackets and ties! Case in point
Love Richard's polyester white flares looking as if he stepped out of ' Saturday Night Fever ', bet he's cringing now.Remember him on Thames late night programme ' Drive In ' showing you how to change the ignition points in your Mini Clubman !.
Lovely Old Car !
I dream of an estate with A/C and driving forever.
plot twist: now they scrambling to get rid of diesel cars on the roads...
Yes but only cars. Why not lorries or buses?
@@Ribeirasacra Because diesel engines are better suited to these heavy-duty applications.
because to run large vehicles on gasoline will be very expensive and gas guzzling...we are making some headway with batteries and electric but even that takes a lot of $$$
andyandyandy360
As always.
All a big con to get people to take up electric cars. Something had to give. In years to come they will create some new super-duper battery tech that charges super fast and gives great range. That's when you'll learn that Li-ion batteries give everyone cancer. You heard it here first.
504"s early 70's petrol engine were the best ...
Back when Peugeot made well-engineered and durable cars, instead of poorly made rubbish that's needlessly difficult to work on.
504 deseil! Still going strong as personal cars and taxis throughout the middle east, 40yrs after it started production.
And the basic block, with smaller liners and pistons in its 1.6 guise and ultrahigh compression, is under the bonnets of Toyota Yaris, Corrola etc, Mini,Bmw's, peugeots, citroens, vauhaulls. Basically unless its nissan,renault, honda or ford then the 504 deisel engines are in your car.
Lovely car in it's day 😀
The glowplugs heat up the diesel fuel? try the combustion chamber air to assist with igniting the fuel in colder conditions!
Strangely, I love the sound of PSA rattly diesel engines.
Simon Abbott
I haven’t heard one in about 6 years now (having moved to North America) but I have an old GMC pick up truck with a V8 Detroit Diesel & the PSA sounded strangely similar. Must be the IDI combustion chamber... designed by Ricardo
The sound of a European holiday arriving at an international airport.
And why shouldn't you!
Now 50 yrs on diesel cars are still a thing
I drove a now classic 504 diesel recently,
Very comfortable old cruiser, slow to get up to speed though.
Fantastic old car.
I learned to drive in one of these
All my cars have been diesels ⛽️, iam 70 now and still run a Peugeot 2008 and will will keep it till it falls to pieces ❤❤❤
Those lovely cars are among the most comfortable ever built. AND it will last a couple of life times.
54-1/2 p a gallon for diesel, I remember when petrol went up to 50p a gallon, I had a 50cc Gilera at the time and it seemed expensive even though I was getting 80mpg, I have no idea how much it is now, no one buys by gallons these days, its £20 £30 or brim it,
I had a Peugeot 504 with gasoline engine. It was great, very comfortable.
My first car was a 1975 504 Diesel, LHD being in the USA. Bomb proof car. I loved that thing and wish I still had it
The presenter has a fantastic dress style don't you think
70's UK conservative glam rock. He was channeling T-Rexs' Marc Bolan there.
@@albear972 you are giving your age away, yes a happy time the seventies
It was all about who had the biggest flares back then, I remember running back to the school coach after swimming one day and getting my foot caught in the opposite flare and ending up flat on my face in the car park. Happy days.
@@philnewstead5388 oh happy times
Probably one of the best french cars ever made : pleasant to look and drive and overall reliable and solid as a rock, Pininfarina style with « Sophia Loren’s eyes » headlights according to designers who worked on its shape in the 60’s... Very popular in France in its time until the early 90´s and even in New York City streets as yellow cabs in the early 80’s, it became rare in good condition after and still desirable to my eyes, especially in TI version with sunroof !! It will remain in my memories forever, bring back in the 80’s when I was a kid when I already loved this car !! It was a 1978 Sedan GLD, white body with blue seats 😀.
I remember as a lad playing out and one of the neighbours owned a metallic green 504. I thought it looked fantastic, dead modern!
Bonjour merci à vous deux pour le compliment de cette voiture française venant du peuple britannique c'est un grand test et une preuve que c'était une voiture agréable et solide confirmée par le peuple du Maghreb et Afrique
Yes diesel fuel back in the 70s n 80s was much cheaper than petrol the government then realized that diesels were becoming more popular and raised the price at the pump.
I Remember a friend who used one has a taxi late 70s great car