I got an MSI RTX 3090 gaming trio a few months back (for the purpose of speeding up 3D renders in Blender) and at some point, it just started black screen crashing my system, after about 2 weeks (and an extremely long list of trail and error fixes, none of which worked) I decided to RMA the card, the company that sold it to me sent it back saying they couldn't replicate the issue. Now, seeing this video from Linus I'm thinking of trying this … pretty shoddy Nvidia, Especially for such an expensive card. Thanks for your help, Linus and team!
If you're not running any overclocks this shouldn't be happening. If everything else checks out fine on your system, I would definitely rma or refund the GPU.
They did this in order to counter KFC’s gaming console. They didn’t want to miss out on cooking, especially non-existing things that came out of an oven.
3090s aren't as rare because their price to preformance is trash and are really meant for prosumers. You can find one easier than a 3080 because people want value
@@elock1277 California is hardly just dirt and mountains. It's literally the most geographically diverse state in the country. Lakes, rivers, bays, mountains, valleys, deserts, forests, basins, plateaus, and the ocean! Parts of Southern California are just dirt and mountains but definitely explore the rest of the state too!
@@ShooterMedic1818 only 3090s have nvlink bridge interconnect slots and the performance gain of two 3090s SLIed together is not as good as just having two computers with individual 3090s.
The 3080ti leaks have pretty much confirmed that it exists but Linus saying stay tuned for our review of the 3080ti is the most solid evidence I've seen yet.
@@james.telfer The existance of the 3080ti is public domain after MSI decided to ship them with the boxes helpfully labeled. NDAs can not restrict the sharing of public domain material (see the 11700 video for a better description).
As part of my absolutely no water PC, i've taken some heatsinks and stuck them to the back of my 3080. Replaced all the thermal pads and the thermal paste. Put it all in a Tower 100 case and sat that ontop of the cooling laptop stand for my old laptop. Works pretty dang well.
I can report that after a cold start on Windows 10 with my Founders Editin RTX 3090, the fans are not spinning if I dont do something taxing to the card. The minute I start gaming or opening new windows, the fans are turned on.
That topic is already 6 months old. Cheapest solution is to replace all pads with good ones (~12-15w/mK). Eth Mining 110 -> 96 degrees, roughly 40€ (germany). Second cheapest Solution is to built a custom loop with waterblock and stock pads (130€ for the block itself). Around 90-94 degrees. Replacing pads under the waterblock brings it down to 78-84 degrees depending on airflow. Add a passive heatspreader to Backplate (16€) improves again by 10K down to 72 degrees... and then finally you can buy the active backplate cooler, if not satisfied yet ;-) (all done on Nvidia 3090 FE) If needed I can support you guys with pictures
I'm part of the design team, we did this so you can cook your fried chicken while gaming Don't forget we care about you 😘 Thanks for all the likes, I make reaction videos hope you all enjoy
Reminds me of the janky LTT video titled "Gaming PC & Pizza Warming" : ua-cam.com/video/y8iOz9KfJUg/v-deo.html This video wasn't the most well received and probably helped kill a series in LTT :D
This was the response i got from MSI about the issue. Dear Sir: Thanks for choosing MSI! Glad to be of service. Regarding your concern, Sorry for the delayed reply. 1.The junction temperature refers to the temperature of the semiconductor chip in the IC package. This is different from the surface temperature of the IC package.100℃ is normal. 2.If you want to replace thermal pads.You can contact your reseller or local service center to replace the thermal pads to try.(tip:Please do not privately change the thermal pads,or you will lose the warranty service.) Best Regards Have a nice day.
Tbh the OCs provided for mining could have been more optimized, atleast for the longetivity. Core clock could be far lower, -300-500, Power limit could be lower (55-75%), Memory Clock on the other hand should be able to go far further.
I am convinced that they put their video titles through a sofisticated algorithm that transforms them into clickbait, and then bootstrap a thousand times until the title has only the slightest amount of relevance to the original title and the video content.
Linus said that they are willing to clickbait the titles and thumbnails to a certain degree as that's the only way someone can get successful on UA-cam but they are not willing to compromise the videos. Balancing clickbait and factual truth is pretty hard but the most popular UA-camrs do it all the time
Welp, It works... and as a company they need to make money, because people dont work for free, because.. they don't live for free. So as long as it works. I can't fault them for using those titles. They usually change then afterwards to provide a bit more detail. So its not all bad!
I happen to agree with what you say. I'm tired of clickbait myself. This video, however, was one of the very few videos that came up to my expectations. Being the owner of a 3080 myself, I suffered from the same thermal issues (I had to replace the pads in my card to solve the problem), I feel glad that they tackled this issue and this video, for once, was not clickbait. I'd usually expect this sort of problem to be issued by some place like Hardware Nexus first, but HN hasn't touted the subject yet. So good job, LTT, for pointing out this very relevant issue.
This video probably saved my GPU and new hardware! I kid you not! I had a Strix 3090 OC in a Lian Li O11 XL with an EK water block, without ABP. The GPU was sitting horizontally in the case. The card was so big, it was blocking the airflow, which was designed to flow from the bottom, through the lower rad, fans pulling air into the case, then up to the top fans pushing air through the upper rad and then out of the case. The combination of the card's size and the heat those passively cooled memories were providing started to heat up the air directly above the GPU to the point where the tubes warped. As soon as I realized it, I shutdown the computer, mid game, touched the tubes at the point where they were connecting to the fitting, and water immediately poured out. I had caught the problem in time. To fix the problem: 1. Investing in a vertical mount 2. Investing in an ABP 3. Bottom rad was a 60mm XE360. To make room for the vertical mount, I am changing all my rads to the new PE360 4. I had the side distro from EK. Investing in the Reflector 2 distro from EK 5. I had all PETG tubing on my previous hardware (i9 9900KS with 2080ti). Investing in acrylic tubing (12600K with 3090) 6. I will increase the rad / fan combo from 2 (1 bottom, 1 top) to 3 (1 bottom, 1 tom, 1 right) Do not underestimate the danger posed by the heat the top of the card makes, especially if the card is choking off the airflow. If your airflow is from front to back, then you won't have the problem I had. I still will recommend investing in acrylic tubing if you have a water cooled PC. PETG is just not up to the heat the card puts out. I know, I am going a little extreme, as the 2 rad combo and vertical mounting would have been sufficient, but once I had made the decision to upgrade the water cooling system, I decided to go all out with the maximum possible. I will post my results. I expect to be stable again after the investment. If you are going to ask me why go with a 12600K and such hardware, the answer is: I just bought the new hardware last month. I had heard the rumors already that the 13900K is expected to be released. To get an Asus Maximus Z690 Extreme and not get a K chip would have been crazy, and I really wanted the 13900K, so I decided to buy the 12600K and then upgrade once the 13900K is released. Please be careful if you are putting the Strix / EVGA 3090 / 3090ti in the Lian Li and your airflow is from bottom to top and the card is horizontally mounted. The card is so big, it is choking the airflow directly above it, allowing for the heat to build up.
It's a bit of a duct tape solution, but just sticking a some small aluminum/copper heatsinks on the backplate improves a lot VRAM temps. On a mining FTW3 with 70% power draw it went from 110 °C with lots of GPU thermal throttling to 95-100 and stable clock frequencies. Adding a small fan to blow at the heatsinks might improve that even more.
Lol I remember LTT's last video on back plates, saying they were useless. LTT completely misunderstood their use. In the other video he benchmarked and tested the GPU core temps, which of cause would not show an improvement... Back plates have always been for cooling the rear Vram and its always been simple to prove the effectiveness. Simply OC the Vram with and without the plate and you'll see you're able to push the memory OC far more with the back plate.
They are running a business and have bills to pay like everyone else and I prefer to pay my way. If I think a video is good enough to give it a "thumbs up", then I also let the ad(s) play out. I do tend to ignore them though.
I don't have kids. And I could afford to buy the $150 backplate...but I'm not overclocking and my 3090 FE seems ok so far. I'll see what happens to the memory temps when I run a benchmark. Didn't know those temps were tracked too.
I was noticing this issue on my 3090 FE, and by just putting better thermal pads between the chips and the backplate, it lowered those temps by like 8C from 104
As someone with a 3090 and who has done some ETH mining I can say the VRAM temps are definitely an issue. I even have the EVGA FTW3 Ultra which has a better VRAM heatsink and still had issues. Tried the hybrid cooler and the temps were worse, at least for the VRAM. Upgraded the thermal pads to a high W/mk (around 12 IIRC) with the original cooler installed and was finally able to get the temps to stay in at least the 90s and keep the card from thermal throttling.
Ive been waiting for this - I slapped a bunch of random northbridge heatsinks all over the backplate with a fan to try and get it under control in the interim.
would have been nice if you also did a comparison with individual finned aluminium heatsinks for the memory modules and a fan providing some direct airflow
I have my kp 3090 on a test bench, and then two mag lev fans leaned against the backplate and temps don't go above 55c on the back memories. I want to get a spare backplate and then attach a CPU water block to it.
I’m on my 3rd 3090. Thank you for highlighting this problem!!! 1. Gigabyte 3090 OC Gaming - Died due to defective power connectors out of the box. 2. Gigabyte 3090 OC Gaming - Died 3 months after delivery. Memory chips running at 110oc (seen when streaming or when running games at 8k). 3. Nvidia FE - a lot cooler but still need to throttle the card to 70% power and max fan speed to bring chip temp down to 94oc during mining. I’m ok with there being the odd issue, no one is perfect. But at £1700+ I expect perfection and that’s not what has been delivered. Very disappointed in Nvidia. :(
My thoughts exactly. When you buy a graphic card with the price of a motorbike, you expect a smooth function at 100% load. I also have a Nvidia RTX3090 bought from ebay at 3000$. I use it exclusively for gaming. What I noticed is that some titles dont use the hardware as they should (due to bad programming), resulting in high memory temps without having the most demandng graphics. Battletech comes to mind. Playing at full screen 4k brings the Memory junction to 104 Celcius and fans at 100% continiously, after playing for 2 minutes. I would humbly advice to use it as a reference for effective cooling from now on.
@LinusTechTIps As someone who is gaming and also mining on two different RTX 3080s (ASUS TUF & Gigabyte Gaming OC) the lack of thermal pads between the backplate and rear of the card is a MASSIVE problem. The ASUS TUF doesn't suffer from this issue as it does have pads between the backplate and card and my memory temps stay in acceptable ranges, even with a 1500Mhz overclock applied to the memory while mining. The GIGABYTE card however, DOES NOT have thermal pads between the backplate and card and the memory temps were able to EASILY hit 110C while mining and immediately thermal throttled, even without overclocking. After adding 2mm pads on the underside of the card in the positions where the memory chips are, it was able to bring the memory temps back into acceptable ranges, even with a full overclock applied to the memory.
while you are alls till waiting for launch, I preordered my 3090 5 minutes before the official "not launch" and am happily reporting a warm and cozy apparment and well boiled water for delicious tea :)
My FTW3 has an EK block and ordinary backplate, VRAM Junction Temp was around 74C under load, and that is with a high end loop. I pointed a 140 mm fan directly at it and it typically stays in the high 60’s max, I’m at about 500 watts power draw. The GPU runs max 50C.
@@vrrdragon you need to optimize it. That's running horribly. Watch some videos on how to optimize the card for mining, create a profile and use that for mining instead of stock.
I have 3 3080 and a 3090 for my gaming computer. Big differences on my 3080s when it comes to mining. My MSI suprim x hash at 100 in normal room temps. My gainward hash at 92, thermal throtteling, but when I turn on cooling in the room, its at 100. My Gigabyte card on the other hand, when the room is at room temp, it manages to hash at 69, only 14 more than my 5700XTs. When cooling the room, it hash at 79-84. Temps on RAM reach up to 114c. Googling the card, it seems Gigabyte have cheaped out on the thermal pads (there are no thermal pads on the backplate). I've sent it back on warranty. Its an easy fix I can do my self, but seen as I have stressed that ram, I don't want to void my warranty. My 3090 is a MSI Suprim x. If I have the room at room temp, it manages to hash just a little better than the MSI 3080, but with cooling the room, it hash at 117-119 h/s. I didn't buy the 3090 to mine, but to game, but when I'm not gaming, the card will make me some money. Anyone who buy 3090s for mining only are crazy. 3080 is better. If you look at power consumption, then the 5700XT wins in watt/hash!
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I've got that very 3090 Zotac Trinity. Changed thermal pads and added a 70mm fan in the back brought the temperature down from 108c to 98. Still too hot for my taste. Bought a Bykski block, hope to final tackle it. That back-block is interesting but too expensive. A conventional front backplate + heatsinks in the memory chips in the back is already good enough.
I've been thinking recently that a graphics card manufacturer should make a design with a proper heatsink on the back rather than just a backplate - the back of my RX 480 gets pretty warm, and I can get the fan to run a lot quieter when I put my hand on it and absorb some of the heat. How about a triple-slot card that goes two slots down and one slot up? It might be a good way to fit a better GPU cooler into a smaller case.
The evga ftw 3 3090 is actually really good at cooling the memory. I do have 2 noctua a12x25 fans as bottom intake blowing fresh air directly into the gpu. Mining temps on the memory stayed below 86-88. Added heat sinks and a noctua 92mm slim high speed fan in pull configuration on top of those heat sinks and I can do 124-125 Mh/s and memory stays at 78c never even breaks 80C and fan speeds of the gpu are 70%. Seeing other peoples temps even after repadding and heatsink mods I feel like EVGA did a good job by adding a heatpipe in the 3090 backplate and using decent thermal pads too.
Still waiting for EK to release it for the Founders Edition. With the stock air cooler, I was getting VRAM temps up to 115° until I replaced the TIM. Now, it's down to the 80s
The FE waterblock already has a semi-active backplate, the rear backplate is a thick slab of a thing connected to the front of the block with thermal paste
@@chongwong uhhhh... Wut. The EK backplate is a bog-standard backplate, with the only contact coming from thermal pads. Kinda hard to connect the cooling plate to the backplate since, ya know, the fkin gpu is in the way
@@chongwong The FE waterblock is garbage for back VRAM cooling and doesn't accomplish nearly the same thing this does. We need a real active backplate for it.
@technewb I literally just installed one 2 hours ago, it isn't nearly as powerful as this. However it is connected to the front half utilising the rather large cutout on the FE PCB. There is a section of backplate that is raised and a section of the front cooler that directly contacts it. There is even instructions that direct you to use thermal paste at this point. It has lowered my Vram temps considerable from 100+ C to 63...
My VRAM temps were halved after installed my 3090 FE EK Block. It is a hybrid approach so it is tons more effective than a normal backplate. Maybe a 5-10 celcius improvement with an active design?
I just used the method I found in the forum from Igors Lab and added a RAM watercooler on the backplate (50€ / $) and always stay below 50c no matter I play / render / machine learning.
" with Ethereum blowing past it, And this is even WITH more mining optimized lower power settings, including the fans running at 100% ". Will not be buying any used Mining GPUs now! lol
FYI Junction temp is about 20c less than surface temp... so it's only 82c surface with the backplate on..... micron rates their vram at 95c max surface temp.
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In a personal theory you could have a front and rear gpu block. but I think they should; 1: put the connections on the top of the backplate block and give it a 90 degree bend. Or 2: Make the connections to the front gpu block/backplate magnetic or have some sort of small quick disconnect, and have the water feed through the same line on both ends. But there is GREAT room for improvement on the backplate.
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I have a 3090FE, using the Aquatuning waterblock. On the stock cooler I was hitting 110C while cryptomining, and since the water block (on an EK 280mm radiator) I now hit about 88C while Ethereum mining, with the Aquatuning passive alu backplate.
Great video but I'm really commenting about kiwi co. My kids got it as a gift from my mother for Christmas and they love the different sets that come. Good sponsor!
200watts? with an undervolt the 3080RTX/3090RTX still draw 240~260watts on average when under load. When fully loaded my system draws about 550watts from the wall (5800x, 3080RTX, SFF build)
Sadly EK only make this active back block for a couple of cards. However....MP5Works do an add on cooling block that straps to the back of a regular backplate and works pretty well.
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I just bought a Bykski Waterblock with active backplate for my 3090 FE for 199 US-D. Kess rhan alf the price of the EK Block. I got 62 Celsius GPU Hotspot and 42 Celsius VRAM max. Perfect!
Mom be like "Go play some Cyberpunk 2077, it's getting cold in here"
A GPU would be hilariously hot if it could heat all the way to her house.
If my wife knew about this, she had her feet inside my PC case...
@@thany3 when I mine w my evga 3090 if I had my windows closed my room goes from 65 to 80 no joke
haha lmao xD
No its Cyberbug 2077
I got an MSI RTX 3090 gaming trio a few months back (for the purpose of speeding up 3D renders in Blender) and at some point, it just started black screen crashing my system, after about 2 weeks (and an extremely long list of trail and error fixes, none of which worked) I decided to RMA the card, the company that sold it to me sent it back saying they couldn't replicate the issue. Now, seeing this video from Linus I'm thinking of trying this … pretty shoddy Nvidia, Especially for such an expensive card. Thanks for your help, Linus and team!
Cool seeing you here, love your videos!
I'd also give msi some blame for not accommodating(or worse not knowing about) this
If you're not running any overclocks this shouldn't be happening. If everything else checks out fine on your system, I would definitely rma or refund the GPU.
SCP-3090
That isnt on nvidia in this case its on the oem that made the card. Your backplate is crap or the thermal pads they used are crap.
They did this in order to counter KFC’s gaming console. They didn’t want to miss out on cooking, especially non-existing things that came out of an oven.
The genius title would have been,
“Nvidia, this is NOT COOL!”
yes, I thought so too 😃 missed opportunity
this video is already packed with dad jokes. But one more is always better
Ayyyy
inb4 title change
you're asking a lot of Linus.
Honestly kudos to EK for making an accessory for a card that is more rare than an endangered species
3090s aren't as rare because their price to preformance is trash and are really meant for prosumers. You can find one easier than a 3080 because people want value
@@patrickbone5446 well I think they ment hard to find at there intended price
Hell I’ve seen more wooly mammoths than I have GPU’s.
Y'all just projecting lmao nvidia has already sold over a million rtx 3000 series GPUs, its just that majority ended up in laptops and prebuilts.
Rocking horse shit
I'm in Alaska and this graphics card is my only source of heat. It's keeping me alive
@@elock1277 If it's in the U.S., then wait 'til January. 😅
ok so if you want to go somewhere hot do not go to Saudi Arabia it is melting there seriously when I was there I wanted to go back ;-;
Add better cooling, push more power, get more heat in your room...
@@elock1277 California is hardly just dirt and mountains. It's literally the most geographically diverse state in the country. Lakes, rivers, bays, mountains, valleys, deserts, forests, basins, plateaus, and the ocean! Parts of Southern California are just dirt and mountains but definitely explore the rest of the state too!
@@elock1277 that there are other cool things to see and do and you don't have to move out of state to see some different things?
Can’t wait for someone to Cook an Egg or a piece of Meat on the Backplate of the 3090
Austin will probably do it
...or a Pizza... Oh wait, that's been kinda done...
@@know1tv OH FRICK
New functionality! Nice 👍
You'd be surprised how close someone has already got to doing this lol
im the CEO of Nvidia, this is a feature to help you keep your coffee warm.
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Me with my iced coffee: 😶
@@sessna profile picture as well
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EK: SLI is dead... We cannot sell two blocks per computer anymore...
People : ...
EK : We must sell two waterblocks per card!
Why is SLI dead? In all Seriousness
@@ShooterMedic1818 only 3090s have nvlink bridge interconnect slots and the performance gain of two 3090s SLIed together is not as good as just having two computers with individual 3090s.
@@Eaterofeaterofpies got ya, and good to know. Thanks for the reply
The 3080ti leaks have pretty much confirmed that it exists but Linus saying stay tuned for our review of the 3080ti is the most solid evidence I've seen yet.
Yep, wonder if it's effectively out of embargo to say it's coming now.
@@james.telfer The existance of the 3080ti is public domain after MSI decided to ship them with the boxes helpfully labeled. NDAs can not restrict the sharing of public domain material (see the 11700 video for a better description).
@@AliasAlias-nm9df public knowledge, public domain refers to copyright.
Linus: "If you can afford 3090, you can afford it too"
Me: "that's why we have a pair of kidneys"
Been eying one of their pre-builts, but it's hard to stomach paying $5,500 for a PC.
"That's why we have a family."
@@takethetips6741 I don't get it.
@@MindOfVacuity Take their kidneys. They have it for a reason.
@@takethetips6741 You're name is very fitting right now. I think I'll just use a debit card.
"If you can afford a 3090, you can probably afford it too"
-Linus 2021
but now you cant buy it because linus made a video on it. GEE THANKS LINUS.
I have a 3090 FE, but I just ended up plopping a heatsink over the backplate to shave off a few degrees and it's fine xD
true for the most case, but I lost one of my kidney to get this card
Nowadays I'm reading "Nvidiia -something someting" in titles and I'm like "what did they do again?"
Same
"Something something Nvidia. Something something Darkside. Something something complete."
As part of my absolutely no water PC, i've taken some heatsinks and stuck them to the back of my 3080. Replaced all the thermal pads and the thermal paste. Put it all in a Tower 100 case and sat that ontop of the cooling laptop stand for my old laptop. Works pretty dang well.
Steve from Gamer’s Nexus had a shiver down his spine when Linus said “half the temperature…” when not compared to ambient or using Kelvin.
Immediately had the same thought
*using kelvins [lowercase]
alright, that's my daily dose of pedantry taken care of
Should this be the top comment?
Great, now he can make a 30 minute video about it
consider the ambient is *probably* around 20C, 102C to 64C IS half
1:25 that outline animation is so clean, whoever did that deserves a raise
Dang didnt even realize that. Thats so goddamn smooth
@@aimohsin1380 I was going to say that as well; it was so smooth and natural I 100% didn't take note of how clean it was.
How did you get that LTT logo after your name?
@@rosswasonabreak7002 channel member probably
Literally the first channel member I’ve ever seen 😂
Great video as always Linus, but you should have included temp results, with a fan blowing directly at the original GPU backplate :)
Lol
Remember there was a feature where Fans “don’t work” on 3090?
did they patch that in a driver update? my 3090 fans are at 30% constantly now. they used to turn off, now they don't
"Feature" lmao
aaaaah yep, but even with that the Zotac trinity draw 120W IDLE. so i don't even remember on mine
I can report that after a cold start on Windows 10 with my Founders Editin RTX 3090, the fans are not spinning if I dont do something taxing to the card. The minute I start gaming or opening new windows, the fans are turned on.
"just over half the temperature"
"Half...temperature"
Angry steve noises
Good job spotting the mistake that Linus made. The Celsius scale is not an absolute scale.
Hahahahaha Steve would be fuming
Laughs in Kelvin.
That topic is already 6 months old. Cheapest solution is to replace all pads with good ones (~12-15w/mK). Eth Mining 110 -> 96 degrees, roughly 40€ (germany). Second cheapest Solution is to built a custom loop with waterblock and stock pads (130€ for the block itself). Around 90-94 degrees. Replacing pads under the waterblock brings it down to 78-84 degrees depending on airflow. Add a passive heatspreader to Backplate (16€) improves again by 10K down to 72 degrees... and then finally you can buy the active backplate cooler, if not satisfied yet ;-) (all done on Nvidia 3090 FE) If needed I can support you guys with pictures
I'm part of the design team, we did this so you can cook your fried chicken while gaming
Don't forget we care about you 😘
Thanks for all the likes, I make reaction videos hope you all enjoy
Gotta make sure the KFConsole can't one-up the PCMR.
Reminds me of the janky LTT video titled "Gaming PC & Pizza Warming" : ua-cam.com/video/y8iOz9KfJUg/v-deo.html
This video wasn't the most well received and probably helped kill a series in LTT :D
0:33 - "Dad, can you show us what you do at work?" "I can do you one better, you are all working at LTT now!"
To quote the great Professor Farnsworth, "This is not a business. I always thought of it more as a cheap source of labor, like a *family*."
Your avatar pleases me
"It's now entirely practically blocked.....get it?" First time I've ever actually rolled my eyes at a UA-cam video.
8:30 You can't circumvent this message from our spon.. *Clicks on the little X in the browser tab* Well, that was easy
Then how did you write this comment?
It's a joke
Linus: "Speaking of circumvention"
Me proceeds to start crossing legs: "Oh wait, he said...."
good one
Oh hell naw, nobody is getting near my D-pad zone with tools. Certainly not sharp ones. This body stays intact.
As a European I laugh at the idea of circumcision xD
@@TheUltimateBlooper Turkey would like a word with you
@@itsTyrion Turkey is in Asia though. Only a tiny sliver slinks onto the brink of Europe.
This was the response i got from MSI about the issue.
Dear Sir:
Thanks for choosing MSI!
Glad to be of service.
Regarding your concern,
Sorry for the delayed reply.
1.The junction temperature refers to the temperature of the semiconductor chip in the IC package. This is different from the surface temperature of the IC package.100℃ is normal.
2.If you want to replace thermal pads.You can contact your reseller or local service center to replace the thermal pads to try.(tip:Please do not privately change the thermal pads,or you will lose the warranty service.)
Best Regards
Have a nice day.
LTT: "You can't circumvent this message from our sponsors"
Me: lmao *ctrl+w*
ME: PULLS PLUG AND BULTS AWAY "I DID IT I DID IT!"
This is a nerd joke and I love it
Me: Clicks foward on video by two minutes or so to skip sponsor.
@@fearvector two minutes? They last like 15 seconds lol
they're nothing to do
10 years later, and helming one of the most popular tech channels in history, this guy finally decides to get a tv-ready haircut.
I dunno, kind of breaks the personal brand
kinda looks like someone took a cartoon shit on his head ngl
ua-cam.com/video/_QXpyNV0bxU/v-deo.html,,
🌸
Imagine spamming your shtty video on others people channels
@@mendyc158 ikr
Tbh the OCs provided for mining could have been more optimized, atleast for the longetivity. Core clock could be far lower, -300-500, Power limit could be lower (55-75%), Memory Clock on the other hand should be able to go far further.
I am convinced that they put their video titles through a sofisticated algorithm that transforms them into clickbait, and then bootstrap a thousand times until the title has only the slightest amount of relevance to the original title and the video content.
* twilight zone music plays subtly in the background * doo do doo do doo do doo do doo....
He's admitted that they intentionally manipulate the algorithm with the title and thumbnail a bunch of times
Linus said that they are willing to clickbait the titles and thumbnails to a certain degree as that's the only way someone can get successful on UA-cam but they are not willing to compromise the videos. Balancing clickbait and factual truth is pretty hard but the most popular UA-camrs do it all the time
Welp, It works... and as a company they need to make money, because people dont work for free, because.. they don't live for free. So as long as it works. I can't fault them for using those titles. They usually change then afterwards to provide a bit more detail. So its not all bad!
I happen to agree with what you say. I'm tired of clickbait myself. This video, however, was one of the very few videos that came up to my expectations. Being the owner of a 3080 myself, I suffered from the same thermal issues (I had to replace the pads in my card to solve the problem), I feel glad that they tackled this issue and this video, for once, was not clickbait. I'd usually expect this sort of problem to be issued by some place like Hardware Nexus first, but HN hasn't touted the subject yet. So good job, LTT, for pointing out this very relevant issue.
The mining lock is going to be circumvented as easily as I circumvented the sponsored message by skipping ahead 30 seconds.
The sponsor is in the video twice ffs. Do they always do this?
@@jpmac098 Maybe you should pay LTT to not have ads
@@blakeloh I use a extension that skips sponsors for me automatically
@Md. Tahfim Billah Suny Sponsor Block
I tried to do the same but 2 LTT goons showed up and held my arms behind my chair until the sponsor was done.
This video probably saved my GPU and new hardware! I kid you not! I had a Strix 3090 OC in a Lian Li O11 XL with an EK water block, without ABP. The GPU was sitting horizontally in the case. The card was so big, it was blocking the airflow, which was designed to flow from the bottom, through the lower rad, fans pulling air into the case, then up to the top fans pushing air through the upper rad and then out of the case. The combination of the card's size and the heat those passively cooled memories were providing started to heat up the air directly above the GPU to the point where the tubes warped. As soon as I realized it, I shutdown the computer, mid game, touched the tubes at the point where they were connecting to the fitting, and water immediately poured out. I had caught the problem in time.
To fix the problem:
1. Investing in a vertical mount
2. Investing in an ABP
3. Bottom rad was a 60mm XE360. To make room for the vertical mount, I am changing all my rads to the new PE360
4. I had the side distro from EK. Investing in the Reflector 2 distro from EK
5. I had all PETG tubing on my previous hardware (i9 9900KS with 2080ti). Investing in acrylic tubing (12600K with 3090)
6. I will increase the rad / fan combo from 2 (1 bottom, 1 top) to 3 (1 bottom, 1 tom, 1 right)
Do not underestimate the danger posed by the heat the top of the card makes, especially if the card is choking off the airflow. If your airflow is from front to back, then you won't have the problem I had. I still will recommend investing in acrylic tubing if you have a water cooled PC. PETG is just not up to the heat the card puts out.
I know, I am going a little extreme, as the 2 rad combo and vertical mounting would have been sufficient, but once I had made the decision to upgrade the water cooling system, I decided to go all out with the maximum possible. I will post my results. I expect to be stable again after the investment.
If you are going to ask me why go with a 12600K and such hardware, the answer is:
I just bought the new hardware last month. I had heard the rumors already that the 13900K is expected to be released. To get an Asus Maximus Z690 Extreme and not get a K chip would have been crazy, and I really wanted the 13900K, so I decided to buy the 12600K and then upgrade once the 13900K is released.
Please be careful if you are putting the Strix / EVGA 3090 / 3090ti in the Lian Li and your airflow is from bottom to top and the card is horizontally mounted. The card is so big, it is choking the airflow directly above it, allowing for the heat to build up.
Normal Ad: It's a great way to let your kids learn with fun.
Linus: It's a great way to keep your kids occupied.
It hits home huh Linus
Ideal ad vs. realistic ad.
so you are telling me i need an expensive "dongle" for my expensive hardware so it doesnt go up in flames?
Apple employe: *takes notes*
true.
APPLE already has suicidal macbooks if you dont use their recommended usbc hubs ahahhahah
@@fullfunk they have suicidal macbooks in general
Please don't give them ideas... Soon people will have to buy coolers for their macbooks separately... And if you don't then you have expensive heater.
@@JerziTBoss MacBook Air Cooler - $499, MacBook Water Cooler - $1,499
It's a bit of a duct tape solution, but just sticking a some small aluminum/copper heatsinks on the backplate improves a lot VRAM temps. On a mining FTW3 with 70% power draw it went from 110 °C with lots of GPU thermal throttling to 95-100 and stable clock frequencies.
Adding a small fan to blow at the heatsinks might improve that even more.
Can we talk about how ECSTATIC Linus's face was when he made the block joke at 5:50 lmaooo
no
@@hazzysheikh2491 lmao
1:54 "Specifically for the purposes of today's test, we're using the only 3090 we could get our hands on."
Slotac LUL
Lol I remember LTT's last video on back plates, saying they were useless. LTT completely misunderstood their use. In the other video he benchmarked and tested the GPU core temps, which of cause would not show an improvement...
Back plates have always been for cooling the rear Vram and its always been simple to prove the effectiveness. Simply OC the Vram with and without the plate and you'll see you're able to push the memory OC far more with the back plate.
*"You can't circumvent this message from our sponsor"*
Yes i can, **spams the skip 10 seconds button**
Only to find out he put the sponsor add 10 secs after saying that
@@D00ML0RD1 thats why you spam it, i think i skipped like 50 seconds lol
Yup. I haven't got time for adverts. I don't care if I miss some of the video. I refuse to endure adverts, if I have any say in it whatsoever :)
They are running a business and have bills to pay like everyone else and I prefer to pay my way. If I think a video is good enough to give it a "thumbs up", then I also let the ad(s) play out. I do tend to ignore them though.
I use sponsor block so it does that automatically
"If you could buy a 3090, you can afford this waterblock."
And if you can afford to pay for both, you probably have kids.
Ha Ha Ha...
I don't have kids. And I could afford to buy the $150 backplate...but I'm not overclocking and my 3090 FE seems ok so far. I'll see what happens to the memory temps when I run a benchmark. Didn't know those temps were tracked too.
I was noticing this issue on my 3090 FE, and by just putting better thermal pads between the chips and the backplate, it lowered those temps by like 8C from 104
I love how all the indicators in the graphics card software look like changeable text boxes.
Nice this time in 4k, no 360p!
My monitor is in 360p, tough break...
As someone with a 3090 and who has done some ETH mining I can say the VRAM temps are definitely an issue. I even have the EVGA FTW3 Ultra which has a better VRAM heatsink and still had issues. Tried the hybrid cooler and the temps were worse, at least for the VRAM. Upgraded the thermal pads to a high W/mk (around 12 IIRC) with the original cooler installed and was finally able to get the temps to stay in at least the 90s and keep the card from thermal throttling.
Ive been waiting for this - I slapped a bunch of random northbridge heatsinks all over the backplate with a fan to try and get it under control in the interim.
Linus: “Now that’s hot”
Will Smith: “Yuuuuuuh”
*UA-cam Rewind* 😂
Cringe
@@lorelo. eBic
If you watch the video at 2x speed it sounds like linus says "kiwico shits out crates" 0:34
Open source support, right to repair, sponsored by Kiwi Ko? I'm loving this, guys!
would have been nice if you also did a comparison with individual finned aluminium heatsinks for the memory modules and a fan providing some direct airflow
I have my kp 3090 on a test bench, and then two mag lev fans leaned against the backplate and temps don't go above 55c on the back memories. I want to get a spare backplate and then attach a CPU water block to it.
I’m on my 3rd 3090. Thank you for highlighting this problem!!!
1. Gigabyte 3090 OC Gaming - Died due to defective power connectors out of the box.
2. Gigabyte 3090 OC Gaming - Died 3 months after delivery. Memory chips running at 110oc (seen when streaming or when running games at 8k).
3. Nvidia FE - a lot cooler but still need to throttle the card to 70% power and max fan speed to bring chip temp down to 94oc during mining.
I’m ok with there being the odd issue, no one is perfect. But at £1700+ I expect perfection and that’s not what has been delivered. Very disappointed in Nvidia. :(
My thoughts exactly. When you buy a graphic card with the price of a motorbike, you expect a smooth function at 100% load. I also have a Nvidia RTX3090 bought from ebay at 3000$. I use it exclusively for gaming. What I noticed is that some titles dont use the hardware as they should (due to bad programming), resulting in high memory temps without having the most demandng graphics. Battletech comes to mind. Playing at full screen 4k brings the Memory junction to 104 Celcius and fans at 100% continiously, after playing for 2 minutes. I would humbly advice to use it as a reference for effective cooling from now on.
"You can't circumvent this message from our sponsor"
*sponsor segment skipped*
Showing the degrees in celcius was very helpful for me.
us*
Linus you've been dangling the music producer's build in front of my nose over a month. It's killing me. I'm in agony until you release it.
Linus is actually looking more and more handsome as he ages and his midlife crisis settles in, so ig that's a win for Yvonne and Co.
*and us*
@@conormurphy4328 or at least the onlyfans subscribers
I’m basically Brad Pitt too if I could get my hands on a 3090. (See what I did there?)
@@SteveLinGuitar I see what you did there...
That's lame man.
We have kiwico and love it! The kids have made some cool projects like air cannons, robots, and more.
kiwico on its second account....
@@baseplate_462 they've found us! *delete delete delete*
@@baseplate_462 nah man my kids have become 300 IQ galaxy brains after meddling with kiwico "toys."
my 3 yo son is about to get nominated for a nobel prize, all thanks to kiwico
@LinusTechTIps As someone who is gaming and also mining on two different RTX 3080s (ASUS TUF & Gigabyte Gaming OC) the lack of thermal pads between the backplate and rear of the card is a MASSIVE problem. The ASUS TUF doesn't suffer from this issue as it does have pads between the backplate and card and my memory temps stay in acceptable ranges, even with a 1500Mhz overclock applied to the memory while mining.
The GIGABYTE card however, DOES NOT have thermal pads between the backplate and card and the memory temps were able to EASILY hit 110C while mining and immediately thermal throttled, even without overclocking. After adding 2mm pads on the underside of the card in the positions where the memory chips are, it was able to bring the memory temps back into acceptable ranges, even with a full overclock applied to the memory.
The 30 series launch has really just gone so smoothly...
"launch" :)
which launch?
Why even write this?
That makes them perfect for playing Cyberpunk 2077
while you are alls till waiting for launch, I preordered my 3090 5 minutes before the official "not launch" and am happily reporting a warm and cozy apparment and well boiled water for delicious tea :)
Ebay used to be the place you went to, to get something somewhat cheaper.
Now its a nightmare world.
My FTW3 has an EK block and ordinary backplate, VRAM Junction Temp was around 74C under load, and that is with a high end loop. I pointed a 140 mm fan directly at it and it typically stays in the high 60’s max, I’m at about 500 watts power draw. The GPU runs max 50C.
"You can't circumvent this message from our sponsor"
*clicks off the video*
Linus: 3090's are overheating
Me: Okay, I'm listening
Linus: So we tested the Zotac 3090
Me: Okay, so we're going right to the worst case scenario
At least it wasn't palit
My strix runs 90c within minutes of playing any game.
@@newbietricki239 palit used to be pretty cool :(
I mean I got a 3090 Asus TUF Gaming , and it hits 100+ when mining ETH.
@@vrrdragon you need to optimize it. That's running horribly. Watch some videos on how to optimize the card for mining, create a profile and use that for mining instead of stock.
I have 3 3080 and a 3090 for my gaming computer. Big differences on my 3080s when it comes to mining. My MSI suprim x hash at 100 in normal room temps. My gainward hash at 92, thermal throtteling, but when I turn on cooling in the room, its at 100. My Gigabyte card on the other hand, when the room is at room temp, it manages to hash at 69, only 14 more than my 5700XTs. When cooling the room, it hash at 79-84. Temps on RAM reach up to 114c. Googling the card, it seems Gigabyte have cheaped out on the thermal pads (there are no thermal pads on the backplate). I've sent it back on warranty. Its an easy fix I can do my self, but seen as I have stressed that ram, I don't want to void my warranty. My 3090 is a MSI Suprim x. If I have the room at room temp, it manages to hash just a little better than the MSI 3080, but with cooling the room, it hash at 117-119 h/s. I didn't buy the 3090 to mine, but to game, but when I'm not gaming, the card will make me some money. Anyone who buy 3090s for mining only are crazy. 3080 is better. If you look at power consumption, then the 5700XT wins in watt/hash!
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2 things I don’t understand in life
1: Mathematics
2: *Why people don’t give me a chance to make it on UA-cam even though I work so hard making good content*
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@@eugenesmemes bleh. My content is better.
YAW, that’s HOT
*PTSD*
2 things I don’t understand in life
1: Mathematics
2: *Why people don’t give me a chance to make it on UA-cam even though I work so hard making good content*
I would like to take this opportunity to self promote my ability to not care about your UA-cam channel.
@@eugenesmemes because your self plugging your channel...
@@dragonifyamazing2721 oof
My MSI 3090 Suprim X memory ran at 108C with its stock cooler during ETH mining. An EK waterblock + backplate took that down to 90C. Huzzah!
I can't be the only one who quickly scans through the videos to find out if there's a Verified Actual Gamer bit, am I? lol
FACTS
2 things I don’t understand in life
1: Mathematics
2: *Why people don’t give me a chance to make it on UA-cam even though I work so hard making good content*
Hi
Last time they voiced over the video so you couldn't see it .. you had to listen
Yeah just quickly scrolled than then went back to actually watch
*scan
*get dissapointed
*scan again slower
*shrug and decide if I want to watch the video or not
who else watches these videos even though they can't afford any of it? LOL
COUGH.
Me.
like 90% of the fanbase
Me :(
me too:(
@naeklaeror Lol true
I've got that very 3090 Zotac Trinity. Changed thermal pads and added a 70mm fan in the back brought the temperature down from 108c to 98. Still too hot for my taste. Bought a Bykski block, hope to final tackle it.
That back-block is interesting but too expensive. A conventional front backplate + heatsinks in the memory chips in the back is already good enough.
One of Nvidia partner: "Push the limit"
Me: "You mean push the temperature limit?"
Linus: You can’t circumvent this message from our sponsor
Me: Yes I can
Me: Pauses Video
You lose Linus
I've been thinking recently that a graphics card manufacturer should make a design with a proper heatsink on the back rather than just a backplate - the back of my RX 480 gets pretty warm, and I can get the fan to run a lot quieter when I put my hand on it and absorb some of the heat. How about a triple-slot card that goes two slots down and one slot up? It might be a good way to fit a better GPU cooler into a smaller case.
Linus: "You may still end up in the danger zone."
Archer: "🎶 DANGER ZONE! 🎶"
Kenny Freakin' Loggins, Lana!
LANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Phrasing!
0:51 OMG darkmode in the LTT Intro!
I love it
Keen observation :)
I have that backplate, from 90c too 60 memory temps + lowered my overall gpu temps a bit and substains the temps even during long playtimes
The evga ftw 3 3090 is actually really good at cooling the memory. I do have 2 noctua a12x25 fans as bottom intake blowing fresh air directly into the gpu. Mining temps on the memory stayed below 86-88. Added heat sinks and a noctua 92mm slim high speed fan in pull configuration on top of those heat sinks and I can do 124-125 Mh/s and memory stays at 78c never even breaks 80C and fan speeds of the gpu are 70%. Seeing other peoples temps even after repadding and heatsink mods I feel like EVGA did a good job by adding a heatpipe in the 3090 backplate and using decent thermal pads too.
This was just Huang's idea of a mining lock: you just let the damn thing overheat when mining, lol!
Miners know how to under clock it.
NVIDIA to customers: It is a new feature called "WYCM" to warm your coffee mug while gaming...
Caffeinator: *Shutup and take my money*
Linus: "for those of you game, you probably wont need it."
Amazon: "Welcome to New World"
Still waiting for EK to release it for the Founders Edition. With the stock air cooler, I was getting VRAM temps up to 115° until I replaced the TIM. Now, it's down to the 80s
The FE waterblock already has a semi-active backplate, the rear backplate is a thick slab of a thing connected to the front of the block with thermal paste
@@chongwong uhhhh... Wut. The EK backplate is a bog-standard backplate, with the only contact coming from thermal pads. Kinda hard to connect the cooling plate to the backplate since, ya know, the fkin gpu is in the way
@@chongwong The FE waterblock is garbage for back VRAM cooling and doesn't accomplish nearly the same thing this does. We need a real active backplate for it.
@technewb I literally just installed one 2 hours ago, it isn't nearly as powerful as this. However it is connected to the front half utilising the rather large cutout on the FE PCB. There is a section of backplate that is raised and a section of the front cooler that directly contacts it. There is even instructions that direct you to use thermal paste at this point.
It has lowered my Vram temps considerable from 100+ C to 63...
My VRAM temps were halved after installed my 3090 FE EK Block. It is a hybrid approach so it is tons more effective than a normal backplate. Maybe a 5-10 celcius improvement with an active design?
The DAHH of Will Smith got me so hard to your "Now thats hot" xD
I just used the method I found in the forum from Igors Lab and added a RAM watercooler on the backplate (50€ / $) and always stay below 50c no matter I play / render / machine learning.
4:02 The Great Panda is famous now, let's gooo
" with Ethereum blowing past it, And this is even WITH more mining optimized lower power settings, including the fans running at 100% ". Will not be buying any used Mining GPUs now! lol
FYI Junction temp is about 20c less than surface temp... so it's only 82c surface with the backplate on..... micron rates their vram at 95c max surface temp.
To the one guy who manages to get the 3080 Ti - enjoy, bro
"rumoured 3080ti"
"Don't miss out review"
Eh...
This is not the drop that I expected from Linus today
5:38 Every time I see somebody installing water cooling it makes my heart skip a beat. There’s gotta be a safer way to add water to the reservoir.
i scrolled down, looking for this comment
Linus: "You can't circumvent this message from our sponsor, Kiwico"
Me: "Right Arrow go brrr"
I took this as challenge also. Showed him right!
i wasnt even aware the sponsor was kiwico since i was already going brrr on the right arrow prior to then.
It's one of those again! :D
2 things I don’t understand in life
1: Mathematics
2: *Why people don’t give me a chance to make it on UA-cam even though I work so hard making good content*
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@@eugenesmemes maths is easy bro
@@eugenesmemes shut. up.
@@gohom3882 it honestly is easy af idk im doing calculus at the moment
@@eugenesmemes 1: why you are still alive
In a personal theory you could have a front and rear gpu block. but I think they should; 1: put the connections on the top of the backplate block and give it a 90 degree bend. Or 2: Make the connections to the front gpu block/backplate magnetic or have some sort of small quick disconnect, and have the water feed through the same line on both ends. But there is GREAT room for improvement on the backplate.
Linus' son looks so much like him, I can already imagine him building a computer lol
I pretty sure he has already build at least one computer...
I think you mean you can already imagine him dropping expensive things on the floor.
0:26 ‘if you afford a 3090 you can probably afford on too’
People: who don’t even have a PC: 😢
2 things I don’t understand in life
1: Mathematics
2: *Why people don’t give me a chance to make it on UA-cam even though I work so hard making good content*
Hi
its annoying when people try to do a *silent* beg asking for something they can get.
@@eugenesmemes who cares
@@k1lez I'm not begging. It's called making a joke
@@rahulsurapaneni25 its silent begging u want a pc, either asking for it or *SYNPATHY* for not having one
I have a 3090FE, using the Aquatuning waterblock. On the stock cooler I was hitting 110C while cryptomining, and since the water block (on an EK 280mm radiator) I now hit about 88C while Ethereum mining, with the Aquatuning passive alu backplate.
Great video but I'm really commenting about kiwi co. My kids got it as a gift from my mother for Christmas and they love the different sets that come. Good sponsor!
It's actually really nice to have a pc drawing 200 watts from the wall to warm your room a few degrees celsius more.
200watts? with an undervolt the 3080RTX/3090RTX still draw 240~260watts on average when under load. When fully loaded my system draws about 550watts from the wall (5800x, 3080RTX, SFF build)
@@zeronine-eightyfour I was talking about any pc in general, my is 3700x and 2060 super (130w) and is about 200 watts...
Until you live in an already hot place…
@@matevz_simnic people tend not to consider stuff like fans, motherboard itself, RGB, SSDs, USB devices.
@@keylor_cr Very true. I don't know what will I do when it's summer. 😅
Sadly EK only make this active back block for a couple of cards. However....MP5Works do an add on cooling block that straps to the back of a regular backplate and works pretty well.
ayo unlisted gang
2 things I don’t understand in life
1: Mathematics
2: *Why people don’t give me a chance to make it on UA-cam even though I work so hard making good content*
Hi
@@eugenesmemes don't worry you will do better someday
@@eugenesmemes 3 : why you keep spamming actual content creator
and because the fortnite trend is gone
@@eugenesmemes noone asked
"It's an active backplate... It's really cool"
Ha. I see what you did there.
I just bought a Bykski Waterblock with active backplate for my 3090 FE for 199 US-D. Kess rhan alf the price of the EK Block. I got 62 Celsius GPU Hotspot and 42 Celsius VRAM max. Perfect!
Ma laptop is always at 97 degrees while gamin with fans spinning max, with laptop raised a bit for more air intake and a 110mV undervolt xd
Same
Ahh..another Y540 owner