There are tons more examples of nasuverse characters cheating death. I completely forgot to mention Mashu being revived by Fou, for instance. What other examples can you think of?
What about Emiya in the Unlimited blade works route due to his independent action skill,but there's another reason why he is still alive,I don't remember who commented this but that person said that due that Emiya is a counter-guardian and Gilgamesh was going to cause an ritual that is going to put the earth and human race in danger,the counterforce kept him alive until he ended his work as a counter-guardian.
It's not really an example from *Fate* per se, but near the end of Kill la Kill, there *is* in fact a scene in which Ragyo seemingly kills Ryūko despite her being merged with life fibers, but Ryūko then reveals herself to be very much alive by cutting her way to the Primordial Life Fiber's core; in that scene, Ragyo realizes that when she ran Ryūko through on her own needle blades, Ryūko must've used her scissor blades to deflect them *just enough* for her life fibers to not be *completely* severed when Ragyo cut her in half; too little for either Ragyo herself, *or* us in the audience to even *notice* . And Satsuki confirms this, telling Ragyo Ryūko only *pretended* to be killed, then waited until she was underwater to regenerate, which put her in the *perfect* position to attack her *real* target, the Primordial Life Fiber; even confirming that it was all according to Ryūko's *plan* . Again, it's not from *Fate* per se, but it's a *perfect* example of how an anime manages to tug at our heartstrings by having a character *seemingly* die, but later reveal them to still be alive, and actually give us a *believable* explanation for it. PS: according to a TedTalk I watched that talked about the hymen, the whole *breaking* the hymen thing is a *myth* ; and in *truth* , the hymen's like a *scrunchie* ; *stretching outward* when something bigger that itself is threaded through its center hole.
Nasuverse in general is a Paradox, something that shouldn’t work in theory, yet miraculously works. And I love how cheating death in the universe is vaguely using the equivalent exchange philosophy even if it’s not stated otherwise. Like it’s an unwritten rule that has yet to be spoken out loud.
I think the nasuverse dose a really good job of dealing with this concept. From what I've seen whenever someone in the nasuverse doesn't die it's because something of more or less equal value was lost to make it happen.
@@Dragonlordniam12 I recall that when I first watched that scene I thought he really blew himself up with some form of explosive only to realize a few years ago that what he drank was his failed formula.
I think my favorite parody of the famous Shirou quote was from the Shimosa chapter. In it, Musashi is struggling to kill some zombies even after decapitating them and remarks that she can't stand it when something doesn't die when it's killed.
We often lose TWO OR MORE of the same servant (if you count variants) in a single boss fight in FGO and hardly bat an eyelid. Fujimaru Ritsuka, humanity's last psychopath.
Actually, it's been shown that he is effected by their deaths. Most of the time he just can't afford to break down and cry. If this is a joke, I can't tell due to it being in text.
It can mean a number of thing. If that thing don’t die when it’s kill, it’s not people (the original point of the visual novel). People stay alive if they are not kill.
It's like teleportation in Star Trek (and likely any teleportation elsewhere). Your physical body is destroyed but the information from your life that was stored in your brain is transferred perfectly to a new body on the other end of the teleport. So you are killed but also you haven't died.
I think that the most important part of this topic consistency to still have the impact of death or have the character that is about to die or has fatal injury have a ability (like the fate series battle continuation skill) to justify why they are still a life and not bleeding out
Roa didn't, Ciel didn't, Vampires usually don't, Servants don't really die(most of the time), and People in the Age of Gods didn't. Shirou also got bailed out of death once or twice.
@@pranavstormer17 I was thinking of Asclepius moreso than that, as that was more akin to a reunion between flesh and spirit than true resurrection. Whereas Resurrection Fraught Hades (True) can blatantly revive the dead. Though I suppose it works either way.
What I love about the words “can/could” is that they don’t necessarily mean certainty, rather, just a possibility. Yes, Shiki CAN(is able to) kill a servant. The real question is, “Would Shiki be able to keep up with a servant?”
the way fate handles death is with quite a bit of nuance in not just the different ways in which an individual can die. such as kiritsugu emiya died spiritually and emotionally after saving shirou long before his physical body did. "if immortality is a possibility for one to achieve and is granted to said individual is that person actually alive at all in the first place?"
Kerry says it it too which is what people forget about where Shirou possibly got it from. Taiga in Babylon so it's an emiya family tradition Honestly i just saw it as a similar thing to shiki commenting on how fujino is killing people and how inhumane it is similar to Sakura how people shouldn't be dying this way as it's like how animals are treated. Or times I just see it as yolo or "all men must die" from asoiaf where it just goes into eventually we all pass but nobody should be going through what the magus and servant make them go through in the war from kiries orphans. Sakura vore. Medusa blood fort cu stabbings and medeas drainings to make a few.
The way death is dealt with in the Transformers series is pretty crazy from their sparks returning to the well of allspark(their version of the root) to being reformatted. Just look at the many deaths(and rebirths) of Optimus Prime as an example.
In the Nasuverse, not really. I just watched Kara No Kyokai Movie 5: Paradox Paradigm today. Aozaki just got killed but somehow I knew she didn’t really die.
I'm pretty sure the Shikis can't kill regular Servants... grail-war servants at least. Because they are not the actual heroic spirit, but a copy of said spirit, hence why no true servant remembers previous grail wars. He'd probably destroy the copy, but that copy would have been destroyed at the end of the grail war anyway, so... Now pseudo-servants like Artoria... that's a different question.
To be honest my favorite ending of FSN is the normal end of heavens feel, the conclusion of Shirou slowly losing his mind and ultimate his life and sakura having to atone by waiting for him to "come back" makes the whole journey worth reading, not a fan of the true ending because its essentially another shonen ending where no matter what the characters do at the end of the day there's no consequence and everyone lives happily ever after. That's also why Fate Zero was well written aswell.
Reminds me of kai from lexx "the dead do not" that are funny but also show how dissociated of an undead and depressed he is. He was an undead assasin forced for a, really long time and trerrible person. Anyways its also poignant when he mentions how killed the weak and strong, the brave and cowards, or how the dead, are dead. To show how death isnt showing preference to anyone in the end. Also i think people die when they are killed hammers home how its futile to deny people die.
for the death lines and the Shiki's they sure can kill servants, but its a better question of if they can even get close Humans can fight Servants but its often due to stacking the deck or having a trump card like Bazzett with her NP or Shirou with Avalon, Reinforcement, Tracing, acquiring knowledge and skills from EMIYA/EMIYA's arm and an exceptional Reality Marble the Shiki's generally dont fight toe to toe with higher beings instead they make like assassins and go for the back and they only realy start going all out with ether a sword that has a huge amount of Mystery in it or becoming so in tune with the eyes that the Mystic Eye Killers are no longer needed
In 1993's "The Death of Superman", DC gave us a story where Superman, who is one of the most overpowered characters, his powers and defense being powered by the sun, makes the Supreme sacrifice to defend Metropolis from Doomsday, a monster that defeated the entire JUSTICE LEAGUE without breaking a sweat. Then, a few months later, we find out that Superman doesn't die like a human, due to his kryptonian physiology, again being powered by the sun.
Bring people back from the dead too much and you get the Dragon Ball paradox. The more you bring people back from the dead, the less of a death their impact becomes. Krillin being killed on Namek was an important trigger to allow Goku to transform into Super Saiyan for the first time. But when Krillin gets killed later on in the series like he was killed in GT or even in Super, everyone knew that he was going to be brought back eventually therefore making his death less significant.
Not killing enough non antagonist characters was a reason i dropped Bleach and a reason why i dropped Dragon Ball Super was because death didn't mean anything when everyone treat death as a trivial vacation trip
People die when they are killed Heroic spirit don't die when they're killed Shirou will become archer, so he won't die when killed (except when he's executed)
Sherlock Holmes was canonically killed in the original series, but due to the novel's insane popularity Sir Arthur Conan Doyle revived him. So fictitious characters are so strong even the author (GOD) can't kill them. Personally I want to see the continuation of Bleach because the concept of the afterlife was interesting but confusing.
i think death is handled fine here; since most of the Nasu verse is conceptual with a blend of realism in it. To me it's more about poking at the idea and dissecting it more than thematically stating that one idea is factual. Unless there are facts to prove otherwise.
That reminds me. When we getting Shiki Tohno as a servant in FGO. The other Shiki is there already so we might as well put male Shiki too. DW wake up and get on it
Technically speaking they can. My great grandfather died via heart attack from PTSD from WW2. Does that make him a casualty because he got the heart attack from serving or is it not the wars fault and he just died.
I don't think they'd count that to the actual war casualties but obviously there was causality. Seems semantic unless you're otherwise entitled to benefits or something.
I mean the heroic spirits in fate just go back to the throne of heroes and wait to be summoned again well fgo's lostbelts seem if a servant dies during those events its permanent they are never coming back or ritsuka just can't summon them again or maybe i am wrong.
my thoughts on the line are that it was frankly a bad translation for being too literal, my problem with it isn't that the line is nonsensical since it does make sense in context, but that it reads awkwardly, prose is important in immersing viewers and a lot of people felt that the line sounded weird and where taking off the moment, it's strange fraising at such a serious scene was a big part of why it became a meme there are alternative translations of the line that do a good job in keeping the same meaning while not being emersion breaking, the dub script for deen's stay night, for example, does a good job with the line, instead of Shirou saying "people die if they are killed" he says "if you get injured badly enough it's natural to die", the meaning is the same but it doesn't feel as strange, well at least that's what I think :)
I prefer the translation being literal, honestly. I wouldn't call that a bad translation since it's totally possible to understand what it means. I don't need someone trying to interpret basic logic to me.
@@OtakuDaiKun that's understandable but to me, the feeling behind what the line conveys is just as important in making dialogue flow well as its literal meaning, for me, a translation needs to be way more than understandable to be good, but I know I am probably way pickier about this things than most people, I like learning other leguagens and about how communication works in general, so I tend to pay more attention at some aspects of translation most people will probably not even care about
Do servants even count, cause aren't they supposed to be copies of the hero and each new summoning is a fresh one that may or may not even remember you, with the exception of artoria
Resurrections are fine if tension is build in other way. Taking Saber resummoning for example. If she die before destroying corrupted grail that timeline is doomed. Dragon Ball treated death as inconvinienc at best but it depraved heroes of strong fighters to opose bad guys.
Can Shiki kill servants? Most likely however as he’s human his limitations are very human like as all he’s got is his eyes, he’s no demon slayer brought up from birth nor is he an immortal pseudo vampire. Even if he became a servant his parameters would be incredibly low and he’d have some really weak skills, his eyes of course and potentially Battle continuation from his final battle in Ciel’s route but beyond those I don’t know what he’d get.
Even if we were to bring in the other Shiki (Ryougi), it'd still be much the same issue. Even if death lines could easily tear a Heroic Spirit down, it'd be increasingly difficult to get close enough to hit those lines, as even some of the weaker Servants are leagues stronger and faster than the best-trained humans, and not all of them would be willing to engage in melee combat exclusively.
@@Blayne06 Ryougi at least has the demon slaying family training and the killing of several mystic elements so in a proper holy grail war if she was summonable I wouldn’t doubt she’d have some level of Mystic slayer like Raikou which would make many of her attacks deadlier against servants and since she’s an assassin it’d be a skulk and backstab fight.
I should probably watch before i comment this but: The biggest real fate fan meme imo is that all of the "Obvious" things that Shiro says are actually false in his world "People die when they are killed" Servants are still around "The archer class is really full of archers" Absolutely not true
@@OtakuDaiKun The VN and anime sub you pulled from. One’s a known fan TL, the other one’s quite possibly a fansub. I can tell you it’s not the one you’d watch on 9Anime, which is most likely Sentai’s. Y’know, since they have the license for it in the West with Geneon outta the picture.
I really feel like fate go ruined alot of things I liked about the nasuverse and pulled it in a direction I don't like. I think I'm in the minority though.
The subversion of death is why i dropped ONE PIECE. Very rarely do people stay dead in that manga. Oda is terrible at killing off characters as he himself admuitee and it makes me lose all interest in the story. We know the Straw Hats are always gonna beat the boss of the next island. Its weak weak writing. And i dropped it at Wano Kuni Arc vs. Kaido and co.
There are tons more examples of nasuverse characters cheating death. I completely forgot to mention Mashu being revived by Fou, for instance. What other examples can you think of?
There’s Dragonball but since it was originally a comedy, they get away with death with no string attach
Sensei I didn't knew you are a supernatural fan.
What about Emiya in the Unlimited blade works route due to his independent action skill,but there's another reason why he is still alive,I don't remember who commented this but that person said that due that Emiya is a counter-guardian and Gilgamesh was going to cause an ritual that is going to put the earth and human race in danger,the counterforce kept him alive until he ended his work as a counter-guardian.
It's not really an example from *Fate* per se, but near the end of Kill la Kill, there *is* in fact a scene in which Ragyo seemingly kills Ryūko despite her being merged with life fibers, but Ryūko then reveals herself to be very much alive by cutting her way to the Primordial Life Fiber's core; in that scene, Ragyo realizes that when she ran Ryūko through on her own needle blades, Ryūko must've used her scissor blades to deflect them *just enough* for her life fibers to not be *completely* severed when Ragyo cut her in half; too little for either Ragyo herself, *or* us in the audience to even *notice* . And Satsuki confirms this, telling Ragyo Ryūko only *pretended* to be killed, then waited until she was underwater to regenerate, which put her in the *perfect* position to attack her *real* target, the Primordial Life Fiber; even confirming that it was all according to Ryūko's *plan* . Again, it's not from *Fate* per se, but it's a *perfect* example of how an anime manages to tug at our heartstrings by having a character *seemingly* die, but later reveal them to still be alive, and actually give us a *believable* explanation for it.
PS: according to a TedTalk I watched that talked about the hymen, the whole *breaking* the hymen thing is a *myth* ; and in *truth* , the hymen's like a *scrunchie* ; *stretching outward* when something bigger that itself is threaded through its center hole.
In Fate/Apocrypha, Sieg was killed by Mordred and brought back to life by Fran's noble phantasm, Blasted Tree.
Nasu says: “People die when they are killed.”
Also Nasu: “Just because your correct doesn’t mean your right!”
True
As Anos Voldigoad famously said "Do you really think killing me is enough to make me die?"
Exactly. Also did you really think stopping time would stop me.
That's what's known as a reverse meme.
Nasuverse in general is a Paradox, something that shouldn’t work in theory, yet miraculously works. And I love how cheating death in the universe is vaguely using the equivalent exchange philosophy even if it’s not stated otherwise. Like it’s an unwritten rule that has yet to be spoken out loud.
You just perfectly described why I love the nasuverse. Thank you.
I think the nasuverse dose a really good job of dealing with this concept. From what I've seen whenever someone in the nasuverse doesn't die it's because something of more or less equal value was lost to make it happen.
Except the first time with Shirou and Cu at school and the second time with Saber yeah those were just bad
The law of equivalent exchange, to exchange one thing of equal value for another
Shiro: "People die when they killed"
Hiluluk: "People die when they forgetten"
Hiriluk's words while taking his last sip was so powerful.
@@Dragonlordniam12 I recall that when I first watched that scene I thought he really blew himself up with some form of explosive only to realize a few years ago that what he drank was his failed formula.
@@lunerblade13 didn't he have TNT or something wrapped on him? or maybe that was the bull fruit guy
@@Dragonlordniam12 dalton had tnt on him I recall 4kids censoring that with a sword in his hand
I respect your opinion Dai- chan. But.. just because you're correct doesnt mean you are right.
Rin: "The Archer class is really made up of archers."
I think my favorite parody of the famous Shirou quote was from the Shimosa chapter. In it, Musashi is struggling to kill some zombies even after decapitating them and remarks that she can't stand it when something doesn't die when it's killed.
Fate: People die when they are killed
Tsukihime: People revived when they are killed
Kara no Kyoukai: People won't die, If you don't kill them.
Emiya: PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY ARE KILLED
Gilgamesh: Time to prove faiker he’s a fool and a zasshu
**Many minute later**
I was a fool and a zasshu all along
@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec *gilgamesh Fades into the throne* ONORE ONOREEEE
Shirou : People die when they are killed
Lancers in fate: *dies probably for the 100th times now*
We often lose TWO OR MORE of the same servant (if you count variants) in a single boss fight in FGO and hardly bat an eyelid.
Fujimaru Ritsuka, humanity's last psychopath.
Actually, it's been shown that he is effected by their deaths. Most of the time he just can't afford to break down and cry.
If this is a joke, I can't tell due to it being in text.
Musashi: "There's no way I'm fighting an opponent who won't die if you kill him."
It can mean a number of thing. If that thing don’t die when it’s kill, it’s not people (the original point of the visual novel). People stay alive if they are not kill.
"People ye deceased when people ye demised." Shakespeare in the Fate Universe.
It's like teleportation in Star Trek (and likely any teleportation elsewhere). Your physical body is destroyed but the information from your life that was stored in your brain is transferred perfectly to a new body on the other end of the teleport. So you are killed but also you haven't died.
I think that the most important part of this topic consistency to still have the impact of death or have the character that is about to die or has fatal injury have a ability (like the fate series battle continuation skill) to justify why they are still a life and not bleeding out
You’re making me challenge myself on not laughing on this one. I still find the meme by itself as the most stupidest things I’ve ever heard.🤣
Your eloquence is astounding, thanks for another great vid Dai !!
Roa didn't, Ciel didn't, Vampires usually don't, Servants don't really die(most of the time), and People in the Age of Gods didn't.
Shirou also got bailed out of death once or twice.
Right! There's the underworld in Babylonia.
But it was also for that one time in the babylonia singularity that the people returned from the underworld right?
@@pranavstormer17 Yup that's another example.
@@pranavstormer17 I was thinking of Asclepius moreso than that, as that was more akin to a reunion between flesh and spirit than true resurrection. Whereas Resurrection Fraught Hades (True) can blatantly revive the dead.
Though I suppose it works either way.
People die when there killed.
Arcueid: nope not me
What I love about the words “can/could” is that they don’t necessarily mean certainty, rather, just a possibility. Yes, Shiki CAN(is able to) kill a servant. The real question is, “Would Shiki be able to keep up with a servant?”
That's a better way of putting it.
Scheherazade just sits there silently
Daikun answering the important questions of life.
the way fate handles death is with quite a bit of nuance in not just the different ways in which an individual can die. such as kiritsugu emiya died spiritually and emotionally after saving shirou long before his physical body did. "if immortality is a possibility for one to achieve and is granted to said individual is that person actually alive at all in the first place?"
I never thought I lived to see the day when an anime channel talks about a TV show and movie that aren't anime.
Kerry says it it too which is what people forget about where Shirou possibly got it from. Taiga in Babylon so it's an emiya family tradition
Honestly i just saw it as a similar thing to shiki commenting on how fujino is killing people and how inhumane it is similar to Sakura how people shouldn't be dying this way as it's like how animals are treated.
Or times I just see it as yolo or "all men must die" from asoiaf where it just goes into eventually we all pass but nobody should be going through what the magus and servant make them go through in the war from kiries orphans. Sakura vore. Medusa blood fort cu stabbings and medeas drainings to make a few.
You're asking the real questions Dai-kun
In many shounen they do not die when killed. In isekai it just starts them somewhere else.
The way death is dealt with in the Transformers series is pretty crazy from their sparks returning to the well of allspark(their version of the root) to being reformatted. Just look at the many deaths(and rebirths) of Optimus Prime as an example.
"Do people die when they are killed?"
No, but existing in a Lostbelt as a non-Servant would.
So the length of the skirt decides the sanity of a character? That explains why so many anime characters wears miniskirts.
I only heard of the meme, and it's intriguing that it has a surpringly deep meaning
In the Nasuverse, not really. I just watched Kara No Kyokai Movie 5: Paradox Paradigm today. Aozaki just got killed but somehow I knew she didn’t really die.
Itadori Yuji: But did you know? People really can die.
Shiro: people die when they are killed, but on all levels except for physical I am the bone of my sword
5:00 Dragon ball in a nutshell or in this case a nut cell.
Also that if you decide to stay dead,it's actually a brand new life in other plain of reallity (unless you get sended to hell)
I'm pretty sure the Shikis can't kill regular Servants... grail-war servants at least. Because they are not the actual heroic spirit, but a copy of said spirit, hence why no true servant remembers previous grail wars.
He'd probably destroy the copy, but that copy would have been destroyed at the end of the grail war anyway, so...
Now pseudo-servants like Artoria... that's a different question.
Shiki can kill anything that conceptually exists, including spirits.
@@OtakuDaiKun Yes, but he can't kill what isn't present, right?
@@Norbert_Sattler If Shirou can bang it, Shiki can kill it.
Now to decipher whether people live when they are alive.
To be honest my favorite ending of FSN is the normal end of heavens feel, the conclusion of Shirou slowly losing his mind and ultimate his life and sakura having to atone by waiting for him to "come back" makes the whole journey worth reading, not a fan of the true ending because its essentially another shonen ending where no matter what the characters do at the end of the day there's no consequence and everyone lives happily ever after. That's also why Fate Zero was well written aswell.
Fate is like Star Wars in away
you're truly never dead in the end
Reminds me of kai from lexx "the dead do not" that are funny but also show how dissociated of an undead and depressed he is. He was an undead assasin forced for a, really long time and trerrible person. Anyways its also poignant when he mentions how killed the weak and strong, the brave and cowards, or how the dead, are dead. To show how death isnt showing preference to anyone in the end.
Also i think people die when they are killed hammers home how its futile to deny people die.
FATE/: People die when they are killed.
Video Games: That depends
Another great video dai this meme is classic a great video to watch on my birthday thanks
Happy Birthday!
@@OtakuDaiKun Thank dai
Otakudaikun be careful the mages association might come after you for this. This is some serious classified information ur leaking.
for the death lines and the Shiki's they sure can kill servants, but its a better question of if they can even get close
Humans can fight Servants but its often due to stacking the deck or having a trump card like Bazzett with her NP or Shirou with Avalon, Reinforcement, Tracing, acquiring knowledge and skills from EMIYA/EMIYA's arm and an exceptional Reality Marble
the Shiki's generally dont fight toe to toe with higher beings instead they make like assassins and go for the back and they only realy start going all out with ether a sword that has a huge amount of Mystery in it or becoming so in tune with the eyes that the Mystic Eye Killers are no longer needed
Lol imagine if Gil choosed to be inmortal.
This is why you farm the first level for lives.
I think it is fine just the way it is. I love seeing character being used in different ways
In 1993's "The Death of Superman", DC gave us a story where Superman, who is one of the most overpowered characters, his powers and defense being powered by the sun, makes the Supreme sacrifice to defend Metropolis from Doomsday, a monster that defeated the entire JUSTICE LEAGUE without breaking a sweat.
Then, a few months later, we find out that Superman doesn't die like a human, due to his kryptonian physiology, again being powered by the sun.
I mean, if we take in the moon in one version being a hard drive. Peoples files don’t get deleted, so technically aren’t dead
It's not death that you should fear. It's a wasted life.
If Death was permanent in Nasu Fate/Stay Night and Fate as a series wouldn't exist as 90% of the servants are already dead
Even in Mihoyo games, jokes can become lore if the communities suggest them enough.
What are you talking about Ive been killed multiple times. But as you can see I’m still here
Bring people back from the dead too much and you get the Dragon Ball paradox.
The more you bring people back from the dead, the less of a death their impact becomes.
Krillin being killed on Namek was an important trigger to allow Goku to transform into Super Saiyan for the first time.
But when Krillin gets killed later on in the series like he was killed in GT or even in Super, everyone knew that he was going to be brought back eventually therefore making his death less significant.
Not killing enough non antagonist characters was a reason i dropped Bleach and a reason why i dropped Dragon Ball Super was because death didn't mean anything when everyone treat death as a trivial vacation trip
People die when they are killed
Heroic spirit don't die when they're killed
Shirou will become archer, so he won't die when killed (except when he's executed)
Sherlock Holmes was canonically killed in the original series, but due to the novel's insane popularity Sir Arthur Conan Doyle revived him. So fictitious characters are so strong even the author (GOD) can't kill them.
Personally I want to see the continuation of Bleach because the concept of the afterlife was interesting but confusing.
i think death is handled fine here; since most of the Nasu verse is conceptual with a blend of realism in it. To me it's more about
poking at the idea and dissecting it more than thematically stating that one idea is factual. Unless there are facts to prove otherwise.
I'm so Glad Lostbelt 5.1 has no NPC's to be Mourned over because I am so Over that trope in this game.
Yes. That’s how it works.
That reminds me. When we getting Shiki Tohno as a servant in FGO. The other Shiki is there already so we might as well put male Shiki too. DW wake up and get on it
This made me smile to see piece of fan art in the intro
I'm glad I've started showing them again then.
@@OtakuDaiKun I've seen more characters in the fate grand order arcade i might draw one servant from there soon
Death is for the weak just be like kratos, doomsayer and asura to angry to die.
It still kinda irks me people only read part of the quote and label shirou an idiot because of it and completely ignore the last part of the quote
I look at it endearingly, silly or otherwise.
People like when they enjoy a video.
An equally uncertain statement lol
Simple answer : maybe i mean did you See the undead in dark Souls they die and die and die and keep coming Back
Heck even Shirou does not die normally with Avalon with him in Fate route and Unlimited Blade Works, Heaven's Feel route have Illya save Shirou.
Technically speaking they can. My great grandfather died via heart attack from PTSD from WW2. Does that make him a casualty because he got the heart attack from serving or is it not the wars fault and he just died.
I don't think they'd count that to the actual war casualties but obviously there was causality. Seems semantic unless you're otherwise entitled to benefits or something.
I know sarcasm when I see/hear it.
Lore sometimes trumps all
I say every death is always tragic, especially in FGO.
I always just feel I'll see them again soon tho. Except for lostbelt residents.
the power of Love and friendship's and truck's will always find away to defy your expectation's
Truck-kun will keep trying lol
Honestly I find this confusingly odd
I mean the heroic spirits in fate just go back to the throne of heroes and wait to be summoned again well fgo's lostbelts seem if a servant dies during those events its permanent they are never coming back or ritsuka just can't summon them again or maybe i am wrong.
If a servant is recorded into Chaldea system, it seems we can summon them even if they're from a lostbelt. It's hard to say for sure tho.
my thoughts on the line are that it was frankly a bad translation for being too literal, my problem with it isn't that the line is nonsensical since it does make sense in context, but that it reads awkwardly, prose is important in immersing viewers and a lot of people felt that the line sounded weird and where taking off the moment, it's strange fraising at such a serious scene was a big part of why it became a meme
there are alternative translations of the line that do a good job in keeping the same meaning while not being emersion breaking, the dub script for deen's stay night, for example, does a good job with the line, instead of Shirou saying "people die if they are killed" he says "if you get injured badly enough it's natural to die", the meaning is the same but it doesn't feel as strange, well at least that's what I think :)
I prefer the translation being literal, honestly. I wouldn't call that a bad translation since it's totally possible to understand what it means. I don't need someone trying to interpret basic logic to me.
@@OtakuDaiKun that's understandable but to me, the feeling behind what the line conveys is just as important in making dialogue flow well as its literal meaning, for me, a translation needs to be way more than understandable to be good, but I know I am probably way pickier about this things than most people, I like learning other leguagens and about how communication works in general, so I tend to pay more attention at some aspects of translation most people will probably not even care about
5:18 or even the entire Dragon Ball series
Do servants even count, cause aren't they supposed to be copies of the hero and each new summoning is a fresh one that may or may not even remember you, with the exception of artoria
Yeah, but we can still see them again. They're being immortalized in a sense so we may not be as sad about their deaths.
Resurrections are fine if tension is build in other way. Taking Saber resummoning for example. If she die before destroying corrupted grail that timeline is doomed. Dragon Ball treated death as inconvinienc at best but it depraved heroes of strong fighters to opose bad guys.
Does Ciel's hyman grows back? I've thinking about it since the first game guess it does grows back lol
Can Shiki kill servants? Most likely however as he’s human his limitations are very human like as all he’s got is his eyes, he’s no demon slayer brought up from birth nor is he an immortal pseudo vampire. Even if he became a servant his parameters would be incredibly low and he’d have some really weak skills, his eyes of course and potentially Battle continuation from his final battle in Ciel’s route but beyond those I don’t know what he’d get.
Even if we were to bring in the other Shiki (Ryougi), it'd still be much the same issue. Even if death lines could easily tear a Heroic Spirit down, it'd be increasingly difficult to get close enough to hit those lines, as even some of the weaker Servants are leagues stronger and faster than the best-trained humans, and not all of them would be willing to engage in melee combat exclusively.
@@Blayne06 Ryougi at least has the demon slaying family training and the killing of several mystic elements so in a proper holy grail war if she was summonable I wouldn’t doubt she’d have some level of Mystic slayer like Raikou which would make many of her attacks deadlier against servants and since she’s an assassin it’d be a skulk and backstab fight.
No they die when they are forgotten. Points to who get the reference
It's not even that stupid a line, coming from a guy who had been killed several times, but didn't die even once.
Dai are you doing the Valentine's event?
Yeah, but not on stream.
i like Death in DB/DBZ anime
I should probably watch before i comment this but: The biggest real fate fan meme imo is that all of the "Obvious" things that Shiro says are actually false in his world
"People die when they are killed" Servants are still around
"The archer class is really full of archers" Absolutely not true
Not true of all Shirous though. When you have a birthday in FGO, you do celebrate being born.
The meme is the biggest lie in anime history while also being true
Did you make a video explaining the counter force because I don't really understand it?
Ive explained it in my early Lessons in Magecraft, and my Lore of Fate Stay Night vids.
@@OtakuDaiKun alright
Very interesting
You realize neither of those examples from Stay Night are legitimate, right...?
Which examples?
@@OtakuDaiKun The VN and anime sub you pulled from. One’s a known fan TL, the other one’s quite possibly a fansub. I can tell you it’s not the one you’d watch on 9Anime, which is most likely Sentai’s. Y’know, since they have the license for it in the West with Geneon outta the picture.
@@chaosgetsuga6114 Yeah, but the whole point is to overthink the meme itself, so I have to go with the variation people find funny.
Does the servants count for cheating death?
Yes. I say that at least twice in the video.
Luke 18:13 God be merciful to me a sinner. Rember there is life after death it what you choose it to be.
I really feel like fate go ruined alot of things I liked about the nasuverse and pulled it in a direction I don't like. I think I'm in the minority though.
The fma spoilers
It's been long enough lol
Re zero
The subversion of death is why i dropped ONE PIECE. Very rarely do people stay dead in that manga. Oda is terrible at killing off characters as he himself admuitee and it makes me lose all interest in the story. We know the Straw Hats are always gonna beat the boss of the next island. Its weak weak writing. And i dropped it at Wano Kuni Arc vs. Kaido and co.