Doctor Who 60th Anniversary | What's REALLY Going On?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Carl James, from Electric Media Madness, looks into the recent controversies surrounding the 60th anniversary of the BBC sci-fi series Doctor Who and examines what is really going on.
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I genuinely have no idea what RTD is doing. The first episode is borderline unwatchable, a constant sledgehammer to the face of woke nonsense which he then follows up with a proper episode having lost a massive chunk of the fanbase with the first catastrophe. Ok, its wasn't top tier stuff but it was better than anything that Chinballs wrote in 5 years, kept the sledgehammer mostly in the shed (Isaac Newton Singh and the throwaway gay line notwithstanding) and ended with Bernard Cribbins (official UK national treasure RIP).
I'll take 13 eps like the second one and be fairly happy. I'll take a chainsaw to the gonads over 13 episodes like ep 1.
Many thanks for your thoughts. All the best!
This video is all over the place.
This is the MOST eloquently put video on Dr Who I’ve seen since the Star beast.
I think the Timeless Children was actually a pretty fair idea. I don't think it stamps on the idea that William Hartnell is the First Doctor. He's at least the first Doctor the Current Doctor remembers, and I think William Hartnell's legacy falls more on him starting the show rather than being the "First canonical Doctor."
It's not really about the First Doctor not being the first Doctor. And now Peter Cushing and everyone can be canon which is cool
Peter Cushing can't be "canon" even with the Timeless Child in that
a) he has the exact same adventures as Hartnell's Doctor.
b) He is human; not a Time Lord.
The nearest thing to canonizing Cushing's Doctor is the suggestion that his two movies exist in the Doctor Who universe as film adaptations based off of Ian Chesterton's published fictional accounts based off his own adventures.
I think Chibnall narrowly missed a potentially better version of a secret forgotten past for the Doctor if the revelation was not that he was the child but that he was Tecteun. Tecteun is surely "the Other" of the Cartmel Masterplan, i.e. the third great founder of Time Lord society after Rassilon and Omega, and surely as the inventor of regeneration her nickname would be "the Doctor". And rediscovering a secret past of being an evil abusive sociopath, especially to someone as moral as the Doctor, would be far more traumatic and dramatic, than discovering you were a magic victim. So I think Chibnall was quite close to an interesting idea and missed it in the snatch and grabbed a booby prize instead.
@@markpostgate2551 I mean not really. I want to mention that of course Chibnall could have put in a little more effort too. If it was at all in his intentions to make these incarnations potentially cannon, he could have gone a little out of his way to try and explain how that could have been the case, but perhaps that would have been a little bit too much for the casual audience to handle, as if the episode wasn't already kind of overfilled with stuff I casual audience member wouldn't get.
But I still think it's possible for the Peter Cushing Doctor to be canon-
Maybe this Doctor was an incarnation that had to go under cover and use the fobwatch to make himself human, but it went wrong. It went just right enough for him to become human, and live a long human life that allowed him to have a human granddaughter that he happened to name Susan, but it also went just wrong enough to give himself a name like: "Doctor Who," and manage to build a fully functional TARDIS in his own backyard (or maybe that's his real TARDIS and he either thinks he built it, or is just pretending he built it one in reality he found it but he doesn't know how to explain that.)
Either way, the universe is a big place. Yes, you'd probably think that if a similar species that evolved into the exact same thing as the Daleks existed, they'd probably be in more records somewhere, but maybe these are indeed real Daleks and just happen to exist in some other corner of the universe or some other hidden point in the timeline where it would just manage to fit for the whole adventure to happen twice.
Does the Invasion of Earth movie actually take place in the year 2164 like in the show? I actually can't remember, but if the year is even slightly off, that gives it room for it to take place in the same timeline as the show version. Yes, it's stupidly stretching it, but I'm just saying that it's possible.
Besides, this takes place so far back in the Doctor's timeline, that may be an event similar to the Time War occurred that manipulated the time stream into either erasing these adventures, or somehow allowing them to happen twice. I dunno
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The title of the film was "Dalek Invasion Earth 2150AD."
@@markpostgate2551 I think you're an evil abusive sociopath for even suggesting such a scenario. Or the Master.
Ignore those who think governments are there to serve people! You are spot on. They want people to blame each other so those who hold power aren’t to blame!
Cheers for your support! All the best.
Thank you Carl, excellent analysis 👍
Cheers for all your support, Michael. All the best mate!
What started as an interesting take, quickly turned into a world domination conspiracy theory rant. I say rant, as that’s clearly what this is. While I agree with agendas mentioned in this video, particularly Disney.. I believe that everything in what’s going on is about making money. Nothing more, nothing less
I think his point is that an overly preachy tone drives disagreement and resentment and creates 2 opposing sides i.e. more outrage i.e. more clicks/ attention and profit. But yes, it's a conspiracy theory rant. I can't see someone like RTD using a show he loves for some bizarre social disharmony profit plan.
It's one thing to to add characters like bill and captain jack to add representation but to completely rework long standing well established and loved characters is going to far.
Agreed. Jack was a great character. Actually liked Bill Potts as well!! All the best!
Very well put together. Well done ❤❤
Many thanks! All the best.
Interesting take, and i have to say i found RTD's brick-in-your-face approach to social messaging so far very strange and most likely deliberately antagonistic. I'm not entirely convinced you're correct about the reasoning behind it but its certainly thought provoking, i do agree that BlackRock are pulling the strings though, that cant be denied.
Appreciate your thoughts. Many thanks & all the best!
@@electricmediamadness You're welcome, thanks for the video
Its nice to see someone else seeing it when shows are pushing this "woke" message around and im looking at it as someone considered woke and not seeing this as a good message either funny enough this might backfire if they try to crank up the devision cause people eill start to notice its not for either side
Many thanks for your comment! All the best!
Absolutely, the show should have ended with 12th. Also, with Davros, what makes him so sympathetic and tragic is that he did that to himself...he isn't Davros if he lacks that maniacal loss of self to become a war machine and the progenitor of the Daleks. And, yes, above all, people want to be enthralled with good storytelling vs. the message.
Claiming RTD is a subtle writer is a bit naive and a bit nostalgic. Go back and watch some of Russell's earlier seasons of Dr who. No subtlety at all. (Also Davros was brought back in 2008, not 2009)
RTD was blatantly nuanced. He hid in plain sight deeply complex moral quandaries with a dead and dessicated pan.
I attribute the word problem to transatlantic linguistic differences. When the lot across the pond says _e.g._ "the woke is on the nose" we Merkins think it means "the woke messages are precise and perspicacious" whereas it means "the anti-woke messages are in your face."
I hope the video is right, but the anti-woke sexism in _The Star Beast_ is so dangerous and regressive I am not persuaded that chumping the BBC is worth the potential damage. _Wild Blue Yonder_ has the virtue of being so stupid it probably won't indoctrinate anybody.
Back then doctor who actually had good writing and you could care for the characters
@@deadman746smooth brain 😂 sharp as a marble you are. There's morons who criticise it for being "too woke" and than there's you who accuse it of being anti woke???? And Sexist? What backwater lies in your head exactly 😂
@@deltaproductions313it has good writing now. Same person writing it, wtf 😂
@@deltaproductions313 what are you on? It's literally the same writer AND the same characters.
4:55 my thoughts exactly! I dare say the same can be said for the majority of the old school fans. Especially now we've seen further atrocities as to where the show is heading after this video went out.
Great video I have to say i missed the deap space 9 show your referring to but i loved that show. I will have to look that one up. I watched it on tv so i did not get to watch all of them.
"Rejoined" is Season 4, Episode 5. But some of the cultural context of that episode was set up in previous episodes, and I recommend that you watch Season 1, Episode 8, "Dax" first. While we don't see quite as much of the carried over intimacy in this episode (They were still fighting to get *ANY* type of representation past the censors then), Jadzia was more than willing to be convicted of murder and treason rather than expose Curzon's lover by disclosing her alibi. The use of Trill culture as more than allegory to address LGBTQ+ issues throughout their entire tenure within the Star Trek franchise was extraordinarily well done.
Agreed! All the best!@@CatDeville
Many thanks for your comment. The episode is definitely worth checking out. All the best!
It's nice to finally see something put together about this that isn't basically structured to form a cult, that's a problem in its own right lol
Many thanks for the comment. All the best!
Wow, this video trips sideways into a weird place real quick. Like having a nice, friendly conversation with a paranoid patient who seems quite sane most of the time. One minute it's: "the garden looks nice this time of year, doesn't it?" "Yes, it does, yes." To: "it's a pity all my relatives are aliens from Altair 4 who want to kill me and eat my brains..." Yikes
Many thanks for the comment. Love it! A little correction: they actually come from Altair 6 - don't want to get associated with the Altair 4 rabble!! All the best!
More of this please! @12:37
I found the Jodie period quite racist, the idea that Rosa Parks couldn’t have succeeded without the help of a woke white woman was quite insulting. The few episodes I watched before abandoning it altogether all followed the same theme, sounds like it has gone downhill from there.
That was an episode that was a step too far for me aswell.
I want some of whatever he was smoking when he came up with time travelling space Nazis trying to keep black people down, it's just mental.
sounds like you didn't watch her era at all. " the idea that Rosa Parks couldn’t have succeeded without the help of a woke white woman was quite insulting" this is NOT what happened, not even close.
Many thanks for the comment! All the best!
Awesome video m8 I really didn’t enjoy 13s era but watched it because I’m a massive fan :) I wept when I found out dt was coming back because he’s my favourite 🤩 first special was ok but not great second was excellent 👌 I just hope the 3rd is good and I really want 15s run to be amazing 🎉
same boat here haha - I felt 13 got better in some respects but it was too little too late but onwards and upwards for 14 and 15 I'm sure.
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I’m impressed. Took almost 17 minutes to get to the crazy conspiracy nonsense. Mate - it’s a TV show. That’s all.
Lol it was the bit where he talked about "so called conspiracy theorists" was the bit where I noticed the ball rolling down the mountain
People have agendas, whether you can look past it for the sake of entertainment, that’s up to the viewer. But wanting to control the masses is a real thing. It is why the US colonized then shed blood for independence. Freedom was seen as worth fighting for. Seeing a beloved show go political can be sad for many. Not what I watch it for to see a bunch of progressive minded insertions. They are more and more obvious. To think it not somewhat coordinated I would consider naive as your freedoms are worth being vigilant over.
I’m sorry, I’m not at home to delusional nutters. @@FJJN1005
@@drtheteI’m guessing you’re a fan of the ideological agenda then? And you’re happy to be beaten over the head until you’re unconscious with the message! We are all kept in check and given the illusion of democratic society and if you are so trusting of governments and believe for one second that they are there to serve you. You are the real “nutter”
@@FJJN1005 THE SHOW HAS ALWAYS BEEN FUCKING POLITICAL! How about you go back and watch the first three seasons of the seasons of the reboot. You watch them, and then say with a straight face there's nothing political in them. Cassandra is literally an allegory for conservatives! Fucking hell.
I kinda checked out after peter capaldis 2nd season , just found it boring at times ? Plus the show wasn't for me anymore.
I was still in but it was largely Capaldi's acting that carried it for me by that point. Many thanks for the comment. All the best!
@@electricmediamadness 👍
Great video
Many thanks mate and I hope you didn't mind my giving you a name-check in the video! All the best!
@@electricmediamadness no not at all mate thanks for the support as i said on both noel's live and in my own video i'm done with current who now though i'm never watching it again.
Past caring thought RTD would fix it but nah fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me I've tapped out.
yeah, RTD, the ANTI-WOKE man he is, i remembered when he used to introduce such ANTI-WOKE characters such as captain jack harkness, who's whole personality was built around the fact he was an omnisexual swinger!
Many thanks for the comment. All the best!
Was a fan of Dr who since a child , was raised in the Pertwee era , but can safely say i switched off after Matt Smith , they have constantly pushed this idiotic Lgbt agenda and it's got too much now , we do not need that shown to our kids end of !!!
A very interesting video.
Many thanks!
WOMP WOMP
They only hurt their own cause with their heavy handedness
That depends on what their cause is. If they intend to cause division they achieve that pretty well.
Let's take the recent Newton one. If Newton was played by someone who actually looked like Newton and the Doctor didn't announce he felt gay for him it would still be a poor joke with no purpose or bearing on the plot, so why is it there at all? Is it to raise awareness of the role of India in world history? No. In 628AD a theory of gravity was postulated by an Indian; Brahmagupta. Did you know that? That would be quite interesting; quite educational and give you some insight into the fact that India has a massive history of its own separate from our Eurocentric version of history. Pretending Newton was Indian is not only a blatant lie it still reinforces the eurocentric belief that all thr key scientific discoveries occurred just once and in Europe.
So it's not for the purposes of broadening our cultural awareness!
But it does give some material for all the people angry at the wokeness to deliver for their diatribes against wokeness in the media. What if that was its only purpose? What if the only point is to stir up some anger and then anger at the anget and then anger at the anger at the anger and that was the only purpose it served and the only intention?
We all know that the most important discovery in the history of humanity is european...Whiskey^^@@markpostgate2551
Oh no, diversity and inclusion in this popular TV show, which reflects the diverse world we live in? Whatever shall we do?!
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Yes
I switched off during the Jodie / Chibnall era and am cautiously returning to the show again. The writing, acting and production was insultingly bad and worse the show was simply so boring that it was insufferable to sit through.
They made a lot of good choices for these specials, bringing back RTD, Murray Gold doing the music, Tennant who can actually act playing the part, clearly more money going into the production.
The biggest problems so far are the complete lack of subtlety in the socio-political commentary. It would have been enough to simply have Donna’s son be trans, they didn’t have to write it into the climax of the story and have Donna and her son insult the Doctor for being a man.
Also RTD has made the baffling choice to double down on the show-ruining retcons of the Chibnall era. Doctor Who has always been a show which chooses its own canon, based on what’s popular, so why RTD would choose to stick with the Timeless Child concept and The Flux concept when not of those ideas were extremely unpopular and borderline incomprehensible just completely baffles me.
Many thanks for your insight. I really appreciate it. All the best!
Did I see you cosplaying that time or was that just your tinfoil hat? lol
Dig a bit. You'll find that he's pretty much correct.
Many thanks for your support! All the best.@@salsylexhagen7423
The pride agenda 😂
When Disney bought the streaming rights to Doctor Who Russell T Davies was forced (or should I say got PAID A LOT) to write woke into the stories that was the only way Disney would do the deal from what I've read. Hopefully the backlash from all of Disney's failures changes their tune.
Are you kidding? Have you ever watched any of RTDs earlier New Who episodes?
@@etherealtb6021 Yes I have and none of them were this blatantly preachy. Same bs in The Marvels and the crap Disney was trying to pull in Snow White.
@@alleyeditor I remember many people then complaining loudly about RTD's "gay" and "liberal" agenda being shoved down their throats, so not sure where you were! 🤷♀️
@@etherealtb6021 RTD used to write more subtle and tactfully now it’s just preaching. He knows it is. If people had a problem with it in the past then that’s on them. If I want to be preached to I’ll go to Church on Sunday.
The funny thing is, there are still some deluded fools who don't believe that Disney has any input into Doctor Who. LOL
RTD's eras weren't even close to the most mainstream and popular. Even Peter Davison was more mainstream. Also the SJW crap began with the first Peter Capaldi era. Missy was the beginning and I am fed up of people not saying that. Drives me nuts.
The first RTD era was consistently in the weekly top ten. Davison, much as I love his Doctor, never even troubled the top twenty. Even in a time without Chanel 4 or 5.
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Doctor Who became Doctor Groomer
Trying to attract new viewers is laudable but doing so at the expense of the long established (and merchandise buying) fanbase is just dumb and shows they only care about pushing an agenda. Luckily we can still watch the good old episodes for all time and don't have to give the new dross any of our eyes, energy of money. Here endeth the lesson.
That is one up-side to all the stuff that is currently happening in the media - we can still watch our old physical media! All the best!
It's the old bait and switch. 'Hey everyone, look: David and Catherine are back. The show can be good again... psych! Gender politics in your face! The Doctor is gay now! Ha ha ha! Suckers!'
@@HandlesTheCyberman I mean, I consider myself to be on the political right. But once you establish timelords can regenerate into another gender, you can’t really escape the whole “gay/lesbian and trans” thing. That’s why I hated the stupid concept of regenerating into another sex to begin with.
@@HandlesTheCyberman Firstly you mean 'canon' not 'cannon'. Secondly. where and when is it stated that the Time Lords stopped caring about that a long time ago? And if you say a New Adventures novel or Big Finish I'll respectfully point out that neither is canon. Or cannon in your case.
@@HandlesTheCyberman So, during the current woke era then. The era that put agenda first and good storytelling second. The rot started to set in with Moffat. Thanks for just confirming it.
@@HandlesTheCyberman LOL He was dreary and embarrassing... an old guy wearing a T-shirt and a hoodie. Standing astride a tank and playing the guitar... the most cringe moment in Doctor Who's history. Up until Jodie appeared of course! Sorry, but Moffat and Crapoldi ruined it for me, By no means the best Doctor.
@@HandlesTheCyberman LOL as someone who has watched Doctor Who since 1968 I am well aware of who the previous Doctors have been and their ages. Pertwee and Baker T. are my favorites and always will be. Crapoldi was just dreary and depressing. Now if he'd played him like Malcolm Tucker...
It's a good day to bury news, in other words.
brilliant, thanks!
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Many thanks! All the best.
This is an incredibly interesting analysis, and for the first time, i feel ive finally got some insight in to the crazy things that are going on in the world over the last few years. Thank you
Really appreciate your words and support! All the best!
Thank you for watching it and the review so I did not have to. Your review and the reviews of some others probably save over all millions of wasted hours. As far as I ma concerned Dr. Who has turned to Dr. Poo.
Ah yes, cause listening like a sheep to biased reviewers who exploit culture wars and never give an honest opinion is so much better than watching the thing and making up your own mind 😂
This video is 20 mins long as well. Nearly half of the Dr Who episode. But yeah sure you saved millions of hours 😂 clown
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RTD in one episode audio commentary said to J Gardener about it being a children's show he said you so don't know your target audience I E we are middle aged men.
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Is donna actually your favorite companion?
I have been watching dr who since I was ten years old David Tennant was my doctor. After watching the 60th specials I am really disappointed what they have done to Davids doctor I am not going to watch it anymore I’m done.
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yk, i think RTD is just doing this stuff for the first 3 episodes, no-wonder a gay man would want to weed out the bigoted "people" of society
17:20 I got whiplash from this turn in the video wft is this. I will look into weather there is any truth to your claims, because, oh boy those are claims, but for a first reaction, man what you are saying sounds batshit cat lady level crazy, not to be insulting, it just does
I’m so happy that Peter Capaldi and Steven moffat is out of it
Shame. Calling it DEI cannot paper over bad writing.
I love Doctor Who, the DEI dont bother me, my main issue was the writing of the 13th doctors era
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Have you ever actually watched anything from RTD... Ever?
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Casanova - the casting video for the role of the 10th Doctor - written by Giacomo Casanova himself - but RTD made choices of WHAT to show of all the stuff written more than 200 years ago 😋
@@user-oc8no5jc2r Captain Jack Harkness was the first overtly sexual, nonstereotypical examples of bisexuality on television. He’s a brilliant showrunner who has always had these themes running through the show, and his previous work.
Portraying the Doctor as a man who stands up for what he believes in, and still be vulnerable to anger, pain and loss is the total opposite of misandry in RTDs writing. I actually can’t remember seeing a male sci-fi character cry over loosing a girlfriend before RTD showed that in Doomsday, and it was not in any way forced.
Your problem is that you’re looking for tokenism. He’s having to rehabilitate the series from a previous showrunner who did everything for tokenistic value, and if you’ve watched Dr Who Unleashed, he explains each and every element of why he does what he does and it’s never for representation for representation’s sake. Take a gander on the other side of the echo chamber, and you’ll see him being called a racist, antisemite, and misogynistic. People are looking for what they want to see lol.
This guy goes full Fascist 1.min 29 seconds in.
would you be able to explain what you mean? I'm not sure I quite understand your point with this and I'd like to try and understand what information and reasoning you have for this claim.
If we don't have cannon, what do we have?
So a channel with less than 500 subscribers has sources that are high up in the BBC?
A channel with 4 views from 2016 could have sources in the BBC.
Many whistleblowers have been suppressed by social media in the past too, remember.
I have no subscribers, zero, and I know people who work at the BBC.
I do indeed! All the best!