@@americanpatriot8426 I agree with you I have 4 jobs I bust my ass I think ppl use a lot of excuses now a day and I'm Mexican I live in Mexico and I bust my ass selling houses , trips, cars, loan so like I'm everywhere trying to make money, but ! Some ppl have it tough and need to get of that bad path and start working
@@neraka-z4n That would be a deduction from income tax not self employment tax. And that only works if you make enough money to have owed enough in taxes to make it worthwhile.
Iwas doing this in Ca for 5 years. sucks specially in L.A..no parking ect and not everyone lets u use the bathroom in leasing offices .now i do this in Wa and is easier than CA😁1mn apart deliveries
Amazon did an experiment a few years ago, they'd look at something you looked at several times and send it out and if you didn't buy it they'd re-direct it back to them prior to delivery. The pilot failed and they decided not to implement.
I did it in las vegas and it was great. I always finished at least an hour early so i technically made more than $18 an hour. Plus if thr order is for a hotel or apartment complex, most of their mail rooms sign for everything and take them all and distribute them themselves. I had a 4 hour $72 shipment, and it took me 1.5 hours because of this.
actually may be quite the opposite. If the pay is fixed, you're got distance to deliver which hurts you. That's why having density is good. Sadly, Amazon doesn't have density as we can see in Los Angeles in this video compare to FedEx and FedEx is 1/3 the size of UPS in density.
And for the drivers it's obvious and it's shown in the video: Depends on where you live, and what you drive. Same as with uber/lyft. If you're a dork who gets off on owning a 60k$ BMW and tries to pay it of by driving uber in congested area's, you're gonna be sad. If you drive the most cost efficient ~5-10yr old car and find the best area's to drive, you're gonna be happy.
As an Amazon Employee, I gotta say, they don't really care of their employees. They always say Safety is number one Priority, no safety concern at all, a total bs.
What company cares for their employees? Maybe small businesses, but when they go big they figure out that caring less puts more in their pockets. Everyone complains about amazon but keep buying from it, including myself.
They always claim safety is their number one priority, but if you have a large amount of parcels that need to be delivered in a big area then the driver cuts corners in the name of saving time.
Chris Ruiz Only if you itemize. I’m pretty sure if you’re doing jobs like ride share and delivery, you’re more than likely using the standard deduction.
@Chris Ruiz To a extent, really after you right off the gas your already maxed out so no. Also most people doing these sorts of "contracts' dont even make enough to file a 1099 in the first place.
I drove for flex. Don't do it. If you live in a city with lots of traffic it's almost impossible to finish routes. You delivering in ghetto areas is a big risk to you, especially at night. It's random routes and if they give you something that is 30-40 minute drive away, u can't say no or they write u up. Downtown routes are even worse cause u can't find parking and they expect you to pay for your own parking, f that. Amazon don't care for there workers. I talk to warehouse workers all the time and they say that it's not safe and everything is rushed. Crappy pay, crappy benefits and being overworked all the time. Those people are desperate to find a paying job so they let Amazon take advantage of them.
Too bad they can't find a better job. Too bad their only use in modern society is making deliveries for others. Too bad they have no useful skills except for delivering things. Oh, well. No ones fault but their own.
No problems at all here in Phoenix. I've been delivering for 3 years now. Most 4 hour blocks I finish in 1.5 hours. Most deliveries are in the same neighborhood or office buildings. Round trip I drive at maximum 50 miles. And that's from my house to the warehouse, make deliveries and then back home.
When I work for Amazon and I will conduct the daily motivational speech and expectations, I would always tell him to work diligently so that way we don't come in here one day and find robots at our stations
Lucky you... it would have been the worst job you ever did. You will be lucky to earn minimum wage after fuel and other deductions. In addition to high mileage, depreciation and and heavy wear and tear on your vehicle. I did it for 2 weeks and called it a day. Flipping burgers even pays better than this Amazon Flex crap. The only winners are Jeff Bezos and his cronies.
@@styno2010 Right! This is the same with Uber, people forget all the extra costs that comes with the car. I get it if you do this one or two days a week, next to a regular job, if you need some extra cash and like to listen to your own music while driving but that should be it.
YET when they market their "Start your own business by becoming an Amazon Delivery Service Partner! Start your own fleet!" they have a stipulation that anyone you hire must be hired as an employee and NOT a contractor. Hypocrites. What's new?
kenz200g I agreed with you on this one. You should take the route you want. And if more than two denies a rote pay more for that route. There’s a reason why. Hi
I agree 100% with the fact that they should at least have an Amazon labeled vest and optional Amazon Delivery magnets for the sides of their car. It would improve their perception to the public so much and it would really go a long way for very little money in the long term.
No thanks to the magnets. As a flex driver I would prefer if people didn't know I have amazon packages in my car especially in apartment complex's where I might be away from my car for 5 minutes.
Amazon: We offer $18-$25 an hour Flex Driver: 36 miles and I have to cover my expenses? No thank you, next. Amazon: Thats a write up. Flex Driver: .. but you're hurting my pocket if I take that route. Amazon: .... thats another write up.
That's 36 miles one way, and slow highways, I used to live here! We are already at 72 miles, now he has to drive around to drop everything off, 100 miles total and pay a $6 bridge toll, if he writes off by the mile his right off will be close to or possibly above his pay!
@@TeachAManToAngle Amazon wants to use drones anyway, they don't care if the drivers are happy or not lol they're the most replaceable part of the company
I had that happened to me once when I delivered in Allentown,PA. I went to the police station and they dropped the ticket and they gave me a paper that shows I’m a delivery driver
Feeling guilt as human. I want my package so fast, even though most are not urgent that I forget what other people go through to make that happen. Sigh.
“My vehicle got stuck, can you help me?” “No, can you finish the delivery?” “Yea, I just finished them all right now. They were delivered to the middle of this muddy driveway in the middle of some random person’s property.”
Amazon can't help when no common sense. Drive into mud; get stuck. All I hear is a bunch of whining from childish adults. Flex or don't Flex; nobody is holding a gun to your head.
Wayne Fairley they get written up for not taking a given route they know they can’t handle. Even still, they may not know a route contains a bad road for their vehicle. Simple fixes, by Amazon, could eliminate this. Amazon doesn’t take into account that a person is driving a 2wheel drive Prius when it gives a route down a muddy slope, yet penalized people for not taking a route and still expects them to complete each route even if they can’t handle it. It’s not a literal gun to their head, just a legal and financial one. People who drive Uber/etc, don’t often do it for fun. They do it because they need cash bad and Amazon takes advantage of that by telling people in a car that isn’t up to par to go down a road their car can’t handle. Every driver I know for Uber is a person desperate to make rent AFTER their job, this is no different except it penalizes people for trying to use their common sense. Those packages aren’t delivered or refused? They get a write up.
That prob wasnt amazon, it was just a random person on the phone who works there. My old boss was the same way when I delivered pizza. A coworker got into a wreck and the first thing my boss asked him was did he finish his delivery? Later down the road that boss was transferred and we got a new manager. Someone got a flat tire and this manager dropped everything and left the store to go help that person. Its not the company.. Its management.
The most important thing that should be on everyone's mind currently should be to invest in different sources of income that doesn't depend on the government. Especially with the current economic crisis around the word. This is still a good time to invest in various stocks, Gold, silver and digital currencies.
Did flex for 1 month. After calculating tax, miles driven, wait time, delivery time, gas. It became clear that I was making less than minimum wage. I already had a job and was only testing the waters. I feel sad for the people who do this out of necessity.
I think it depends on many factors. Like how much gas costs currently (it’s almost $2 down from last year), what your city layout looks like ( no tolls here in Kansas City) and traffic time isn’t half as bad as it is in LA or Tampa. Also take into account how much gas your car spends. For some people all of the factors are to their advantage and for others it doesn’t make them money. It all depends. Another thing is that many things are tax deductible, such as mileage, many car expenses, insurance, phone bill, etc.
I’m an Amazon DSP driver so I drive an actual van. My hours are also guaranteed. They only let you work four day weeks normally because they don’t want to pay so much overtime. During the peak season they do let you work five day weeks and that amounts to 5-10 hours of overtime a week. Even though they usually only let you work four days a week, it is a full time job. 35 hours or more is considered full time. I usually work between 35 and 40 hours a week. The one five day week I worked during the peak season I worked eight hours of overtime. After my previous job didn’t work out I did try applying for Flex but they didn’t have open positions in my area on Long Island in NY. But it’s probably better that I didn’t get a Flex gig because I can’t put so many miles on my car.
I didn't know that Amazon employed these contract drivers until recently. I was wondering why dudes in sketchy white vans and random cars came up on my driveway and delivered my stuff. xD
You’re dumb lol w no offense and I say this joking around haha. But drones won’t be able to replace us. Delivering packages is super easy but w Amazon’s system it won’t be possible lol trust me. They have a lot of flaws lol
Marlin R they’ve got drones that can climb stairs and fly in right corridors. Yes humans will be doing those crazy apartments for a long time but there won’t be any humans in neighborhoods doing this within 4-5 years
I bought a generic toner cartridge for my lazer printer it was less than $10 with the shipping. I felt so good about getting such a ridiculous deal, but later felt bad that some poor guy had to suffer (with his own car) delivering this.
Exploit the underemployed by having them bare the cost of vehicle maintenance, liability insurance, and taxes because they are not technically employees.
Gotta say as a prime member the next day thing does nothing for me. 2 day was more than fast enough. Most of what I order on amazon I do not need in a super fast manner. Prime is just a way to stop getting screwed on shipping for me. plus the video/music of course.
Interesting, I use prime for the same thing. In India the rates are drastically different though. It’s 1000 Rs. a year (14 USD). I’m guessing it’s heavily subsidised to make people dependant on amazon and eventually they will stop subsidising delivery costs and jack it up.
the probably switched to 1 day because a lot of the competition was starting to deliver in 2 days. when the price and cost is the same, the low hanging fruit left is speed
1 day is due to their war against WalMart and WalMart does 2 day delivery so to one up them Amazon is doing next day. Next up same day then order by 10am get it by 2pm sort of nonsense.
Taking advantage? Their lazy people who want a simple job, and know what they're going to make going in. No one's forcing them to do it. They are the ones screwing themselves over.
Noel Santos Yes! ! Some of them are working 3 jobs or 7 days a week. In the U S the annual median PERSONAL income is 31k and the median HOUSEHOLD income is 59k . Amazon Employees are the victims of "Crony Capitalism" a system based on = (Exploitation of labor for profit) and the funny part is the Employees aren't even aware of it. Your union job have guaranteed paid 8 hours or 4 hour shifts protection. Up to 6 weeks vacation pay. Full health and dental insurance coverage. Free legal services. A full time driver can earn up to 110k per year working only 5 days a week. Yeah sign me up UPS. Amazon delivery drivers income are at the poverty level based on the numbers they have been presenting in their arguments.
Amazon makes up about 30% of UPS's business. Funny thing is UPS isn't afraid of them walking away. Amazon NEEDS UPS. The sheer volume UPS does alone SCARES other delivery companies. Plus now that FEDEX has stopped delivering packages for Amazon, because they claim they're not making money. UPS is going to carry a heavier load. And with USPS, it's only going to get worse for them, once Amazon is able to streamline their air and delivery system. 70% of USPS business is Amazon.
Amazon is a cancer. I moved to Australia where Amazon barely exists and the city still has thriving retail and department stores like North America did in the 90s and prior. It's so much better for everyone.
@@MrJanus19 it's so much more convenient though. I bought a new Wacom tablet at Best Buy recently. I had it home and was playing with it it under an hour. Ordering from Amazon would've taken days.
amazon doesn't care about its third party sellers, low-level employees, or their drivers. they are labeled independent contractors and yet are told how many packages, route and time to complete only when they show up but if they refused they are written up with a possibility of being fired. you're not allowed a break or time to even use the toilet in the time alloted. so are they an employee or independent contractor?
Labeling them as "Independent Contractors" also prevents them from forming a Union, since Independant Contractors aren't allowed to form Unions under CA law
""These aren’t independent contractors, these are massively exploited employees"" Only if you don't know what you're doing (or you do this in LA, SF or any other city that has horrible traffic)...I make over 30.00/hr when I do Amazon deliveries...you gotta work smart, not hard!
@@DavidLopez-lz9ff think that’s my point. I don’t see any reason why these drivers are contractors other then to screw them out of basic benefits that Amazon can definitely afford to pay
@@madman3470 Welcome to the New America...FedEx Ground started it when they acquired RPS...nowadays, if every company Can get IC instead of employees they WILL.
Well my Elantra hatchback can fit 6 or 7 suitcases if you are smart with it. But I agree, you need the right vehicle for the job, like the ranger seen in the video with a cap over the bed
@mr fantastic Moron steals your package? Can happen anyway, you'll get your payment back, amazon will lose some. Crashing into cars? Yeeah that is what they are trying to solve
@mr fantastic First: they will fly on their own and no driver will fly them. It's stupid to have a human controller as it will again not save any cost. Second: You can't shoot drones and steal the packages. I mean who is stopping you rightnow to shoot the delivery guy and steal the packages. Both of them will be considered a serious offense and only thief and thugs will try to do that and most likely get caught too. That's just plain stealing sir. And Last: they won't crash, do you travel in airplanes ? do they crash everyday on your house or in your city? Today's technology is way more advanced then you think and they for sure will have small parachutes for your windshield, just in case. Don't think you are the smartest guy and people investing billions with years of experience in tech and management are dumb. When one product is made it is made by taking all these silly things in consideration. These things that you are talking about is not even the main challange. Main challenges are like reduction of cost and not what your stupid mind things.
I actually work at the number 1 Amazon delivery warehouse and from what I've seen Amazon is always hiring new flex drivers so they just have this pool of people and now it's less flex and more Amazon van routes so no drones anytime soon lol
A sustained one-day delivery network is a pipedream on Amazon's part. Amazon only has 1/10 of Walmart's nationwide distribution, shipping, and logistics network. And Walmart's system of having the customer to order online and come to the store for the same or next day pickup is working.
You have to run this like a business. Don't drive your late-model sedan. Get the cheapest reliable car you can. Use it ONLY for this business. Keep copious records on gas, maintenance, parts repairs, tolls, etc. At the end of the year you should be able to deduct enough that you show minimal profit, if any. Businesses pay taxes on PROFIT, not INCOME. You could make, say, $30k but have $28k in deductions. You're taxed on the $2k "profit".
Montez was on check please Bay area. I can't remember the episode but he went to a brewery in SF something bear. ua-cam.com/video/HpeGlv88WgA/v-deo.html there he is
I work at at an Amazon warehouse and I am literally the person who assigns the drivers their routes, after watching this video i will definitely try to give drivers shorter routes because this is just totally unfair to them. At my warehouse drivers have 4.5 blocks with 45 packages going to downtown Dallas where traffic and parking is horrible
In Delaware, I've done a 3 and a half hours route with almost 40 packages. I still got done before the route. There's many whom actually stop during the route simply because they weren't prepared! All I know is that most times, regardless of the length of my route, I'm generally home before the route ends. It's absolutely amazing!
I'm a Fedex Express Courier, and it's very sad to see these people being taken advantage of. Amazon is currently attempting to cut out UPS Postal and Fedex. They're breaking a lot of eggs to make that omelette, and it will come back to hurt them.
not worth it at all. seems a lot of people just weigh in gas and time but dont really think about how expensive maintenance costs really is. factor in kms, brakes, oil changes, you're essentially using your vehicle as a credit card (have money now, pay for it later) this goes with uber, uber eats etc
depends on what you drive, if you have a new car then no. If you get a used well maintained Toyota Corolla with 100K+ millage, it has already gone through kms depreciation, Corolla maintenance is also dirt cheap, so you can basically use it until 300K until it breaks for a very low cost. TLDR: look for a good condition used Corolla
@@woshikakadong you're right about how it would have gone through the bulk of its depreciation but lets use real numbers to get a better understanding; Lets use their example of $105 to deliver 46 packages in 3.5hrs. And thats on a GOOD day. Now lets make it $210 for 92 packages in 7hrs to replicate a typical work day. If you were to work 5 days a week you'd be making $54,390 in a year. Keep in mind you're not eligible for any work benefits or the fact that you don't receive any holiday pay. Now you might be saying hey at least I'm only working 7hrs instead of 8 but employers are obligated to pay for up to 30mins worth of breaks. I live in Canada and minimum wage is $15. Converted to USD is about $11.5/hr The cost of your time itself is $92/day or $23,830/yr if you we're just to work minimum wage *Note distance will be measured in metric but costs converted back into USD* Okay now the fun stuff: Car maintenance and depreciation! On average you drive about 20km a year. Using the example in the video the area the packages were to be delivered was 36 miles away or 60km away in 3 hours. During a normal work day thats more like 120km. That only gets you to the area you need to be so lets say 500m per 1 package now you're looking at 165km a day So in 1 year you would rack up roughly 42,735km on your car in just delivering packages. Oil changes cost $20/10000km so $80/yr and you've already went through more than half the lifespan of your tires and brakes not including your rotors. Gas lets say its $27/500km so $2310yr. On kijiji a 2009 Corolla with 118km is $5000 so it would last you roughly 4 years assuming it doesn't breakdown before your estimated 300km and assuming you're only using it to deliver amazon packages but chances are the majority of people who do this, probably don't have the funds for another vehicle so it'd probably last you 3. So time@$23,830+oil change@$80+gas@2310=$26,220 Now you might be thinking well damn I'd still be making $25k more doing this then working but keep in mind these numbers are very reserved and are perfect scenarios. The reality is that $52k is based on a good day and for the vast majority of days you'll most likely be taking a loss since you don't know your schedule until you get to the actual fulfillment center. Factor in take the time and money you'd have to frequently do maintenance (waiting for an oil change, the pain of changing tires, brakes, rotors assuming you know how to do all these things yourself) the high likely hood that your car probably won't last 300k and you're more prone to be involved in a accident for driving that much its not worth it at all. Because I hope for the large majority of people on here - that they're not just working minimum wage.
@@johnt8814 i think thats mostly because Canada has a extremely high minimum wage of 15/h, im a computer science student at UofT, most student graduate getting paid around 17/h for their first job while having huge amount of student loan, for a lot of people uber/amazon may be the better option
@@woshikakadong I can totally see why it can be attractive for people earning lower income, but I really want to stress that Amazon, Uber/ubereats really isn't worth it. They simply created a pay scale that is just high enough to have people do it but low enough to make the most money out of it. But if you actually put in the real life costs and probability of your vehicle breaking down you'll be working for free at times. If you were to ask someone "do you think you'll live long?" Chances are they'll overestimate how much that figure that really is. Just like what you've done with "corollas able to make it to 300km“ like sure they can, but most of them won't. And with you being pressured to make deadlines chances are you won't be driving it economically which hurts gas mileage and the longevity of your car. I'm just saying this as a cautionary warning.
My two cents on delivering in Portland.1) 1st day-no help in warehouse. told them I was new. some packages not scanning well. wasn't sure what bar code to scan. felt rushed. left without my "paper". told them on the way out. no help. said I do not need it. 2) Packages were not marked as to deliver this 1st, 2nd according to route. could only see address and not familiar with city. Assigned a 3 hr block 5p to 8p. 3) started at 5p. left warehouse at 530p. took 30 mins to deliver 1st package. commute traffic was horrific. then multiple luxury apts that were closed and locked after 6p. customer not responding or name on apt list was missing. 4) map on flex app took me to different areas where the freeways were close together. lost 30 mins because of that. again, terrible traffic. Otherwise flex app was pretty good. 5) because I could not organize my packages I had to dig for every package. nightmare. late at night. no flashlight. 6) finally at 8p I was able to start delivering to houses or easy access apts but cutoff is about 930p and the app that I was using just disappeared as I was taking a picture of a drop off. 7) still had 4 packages to deliver but had to return them back at station at 10p. 8) So my 1st 3 hr block lasted 5 hours and I was unable to deliver the last 4 packages. 9) So..BYE BYE Amazon flex for package delivery. will try Instant offers..but mostly will stick to Door Dash where I know the area and not feel so rushed with less wear and tear on my car
Now I understand why flex drivers leave my packages on random door steps and should they make it to my actual apartment I realize why they never knock.
Uber and these type of jobs are not real job these companies are leeching off of you if you factor in cost and maintenance of your vehicle you're barely even making money if you have a new car the first couple years might be great wait till you put on a hundred thousand miles and everything in your car starts falling apart
The only people in unions that really take advantage of it are the talking heads. The ones your union dues pay... To take golfing trips. Go to strip clubs. Buy politicians for favorable contracts. Unions have become too powerfull imho. I am a truck driver and the teamsters push for higher insurance rates. To try and cut out us private owner operators. They hate the fact we don't pay a protection money.... You know. Like what the mob does to small shop owners. ;)
The Union members with their blood, sweat and tears, created the middle class. When Reagan and Bush began sending Manufacturing jobs out of the country and squeezing Unions, this is the result. Overworked and under paid with no benefits.
The main reason Amazon want to contract out all this last-mile delivery is that it gets the most expensive part of delivery off their books and puts those costs on to their new "business" partners, who, as small businesses, can't take advantage of economies of scale, and may be taking the losses that Amazon is avoiding through this arrangement. Sweet deal for Amazon. Not clear whether the drivers make out so well on average.
they did sign up for it no ? if they really wonna earn money , i think in the US is working as a bloody waiter . They earn llike 5x more then i do in my country ( we fall under the top 3 worst payed people ) while in the US all you guys get a minimum of 10 percent of each bill ( and if you are actually doing your job alot more )
Wouter Faes um no you don’t have to pay any tips in America you chose what tip you pay there’s no guarantee here In fact the waiters and waitresses get paid roughly 2$ an hour and make their living off of tips there’s no requirement to tip at all tip=customers choice whether that be 0$ or 100$ customers are only legally required to pay the bill not the tip and the only penalty is you look like a bad person for not tipping
Within the next 4-5 years, drones will deliver to those extra last few miles from the nearby Amazon hub to a specific locality in bulk. Flex driver will just distribute those packages to his locality. No long driving from nearby Amazon hub to the locality. But using a drone to deliver to the individual household may not work.
Fedex Express courier here. Listening to these flex drivers talk about the stress of the commitment times, traffic, and the anxiety, I honestly feel you guys.
Yeah, drive 35 miles in traffic and deliver 45 packages in 3 hours...he figured out real quick it would take 4-5 hours and half a tank of gas at Cali prices and he didn't wanna work for almost nothing
You're right. No one gives a #*/ as long as they get free shipping on their Amazon crap while more and more businesses and stores close down and thousands of workers lose their jobs. I refuse to buy from Amazon. They are just working to create a monopoly regardless of the damage they cause. Consumers will realize this in a few more years when they have fewer and fewer choices.
@Andy Evans Actually, it's called exploitation. Marketing is how they get regular people not to care about the exploitation. But at the core of it all, it's *exploitation*.
Tried this for about 2 months in the busiest LA areas (Silverlake, Echo Park, Hollywood, NoHo). It's exactly what you'd expect. Apartments take a while to access, had to double park often with the big white vans which upset people. My shift was during rush hour too, so road rage was a part of every shift. Definitely took a toll mentally.
As a truck driver, it's all logistics. Planning ahead, knowledge and equipment. Trucks don't have rear view mirror why you think need one fill out full organize your order before leaving so your more efficient. Tired dont stop for breaks sounds like a truck drivers job. Yes these people sound vulnerable but do what you got do. Sounds like it wont last and company will have there own UPS, FedEx, USPS coming already have trucks and planes.
That's what i was thinking the whole time these contractors were complaining. But that's the problem with these zero skill contract jobs (uber, flex, doordash). People with no qualifications have to learn the hard way about how to do the job. And they don't always learn the correct practices.
Thing is at least UPS/Fed Ex drivers have some form of training, a suitable vehicle for the job, maintainance on the vehicle, a company uniform, support in case of breakdowns etc.
Not surprising at all considering the sanctuary cities and issuing drivers licenses to non US citizens. California made it's hard and lumpy bed and cries about sleeping in it. California: We don't have to abide by your federal laws! Fire: I will burn you to the ground! California: We need help from the federal government! California has been known to the state of cancer to cause idiocy.
$72 for a 4hrs block! 14:30 to 18:30, 41 packages, 39 locations. That's $18/hr. Looks fair, but its NOT, 4hrs turned to be almost 5hrs. GPS is too slow and in most cases took me around in circles between drops within the same neighborhood. Last drop was 1hr 36 minutes away from my house. Spent around $22 on gas. (72-22=50) I end up making less than $10 an hour. (Taxes and vehicle wear-tear not factored). In reality, from 11:00am I was constantly watching and refreshing the app to see if the rates will increase, couldn't sign up for other gigs; the hours may overlap. The route was 70% rural un-tarmacked roads with drops 2-3 miles apart some even 9 miles. I left my house at 1:30pm returned shortly after 9:00pm, with less than $50 and a dusty hurting car from the beat up roads and constant hard braking due to a slow GPS. Flexible Flex Flexibility! 1. Option to choose blocks within own neighborhoods, to ease the long commute and also for smooth, faster deliveries.( you already have all our PI in your big data) 2. Factor the mileage for rural vs metro, easy vs staggered drops. 3. Amazon Flex App. needs alot of improvement. Navigation is about 5sec too slow, have to drive below speed limits not to pass an exit. Takes the driver around the block just to come back and deliver a package to the house on the opposite side of the road. Comparing with other gig platforms, I find the navigation too somber and downbeat. Gig Laborers, Platform workers, Independent contractors, Grey Economy you name it, Amazon lay a better foundation. Labor Unions, Associations ,AB5 etc are coming!
How so? Yesa, by using contractors, Amazon removes the burdens that many corporate entities MUST under law, shoulder. But in that, I DO NOT WORK for Amazon, but for the company CONTRACTED to Amazon. In that, my company has protections, therefore shielding me from some of the "negative" examples of Amazon/employee interactions.
@@yes100yessireebob6 Those burdens are what give people health insurance, protection from unwarranted firing, retirement plans, and more favorable tax situations. Since the vast vast majority of people are workers not business owners, that's a big problem.
@@willn8664 You are correct it is not Amazon's problem, it is in fact the worker's problem. The whole reason they've decided to go that route is it is cheaper and, in my opinion, borderline exploitative. One compnay doing this isn't necessarily a problem, but every company doing this quickly becomes a problem for the common worker. It's amazing to me how quickly some in this country will jump at the defense of corporations while ignoring a worker's right to ask for better treatment.
Worst job I ever had, for a side hustle. Drove Lyft and Uber and they are literal heaven compared to this nonsense. Having an SUV they load my truck up with 30-40 packages and 3 hours to do the deliveries at night 5:30-9. You DO NOT get paid for extra time spent delivering. They may send you 30-45 minutes away to deliver packages and do not compensate you for that extra hour. My husband delivered with me a few times and didn't want me to do it. Gps connectivity issues are the norm, had to get my own gps so I wouldn't be lost. I finally quit when they were 45 minutes late giving us packages, loaded me down with 35 packages anyways with 2 hours to deliver, I spoke to the manager and said it was way too much, and he told me I had to attempt to deliver them anyway. What they want you to do is use your own time into the night to get the packages delivered and if the packages are late past 9pm, they hold it against you. You have to drive them back to the distribution by 10 am the following day. When I arrive to drop off undelivered packages they gave me the run around about giving them back, shaming me for not delivering all 35 packages in 2 hours. Not on your life would I work here. EVER!
there are analysts that advise against taking that Amazon offer to start your own business. They are specifically targeting people who have no experience who have no idea about the expenses that they are going to incur as they follow this unprofitable business model
the main issue is getting deactivated. you can do everything right and still get deactivated. if you're doing this for a living, that can literally make you homeless without it ever being your fault. that would never happen in the wage industry since you could get unemployment benefits while trying to find new work.
I work for amazon flex, I use to make an average of $150 for 8hrs everyday. What they won’t tell you is the work recently became unreliable and it’s hard to get work for a lot of us now.
I live relatively close to my pick up area I been doing this part time on my off days and I love it! Whenever I go over my time due to any connection issues or delay in pick up I get compensated immediately. It’s so easy too, easy money
Amazon to Press: We work with the drivers to make sure they are safe delivering those packages. Amazon to Flex Driver: Did you forget who we are?!? We are Amazon, you insect! If you don't deliver those packages then we will crush you and let the next ant take your place.
This throws another red flag for whether its a contractor or employee. Getting written up for refusing a "contract" isn't a contract its a w-2 employee.
They forgot to show them peeing in a bottle. Amazon should make an official product called "Amazon pee bottle" for all their employees, and for anyone that would like to purchase it.
Really stupid idea Amazon. I live in a gated community and now that you rarely use Fedex or UPS, but these drivers instead, they are not allowed in the community. The gate has to call me at work, but often I am not reachable. Then, I also own a business. and these drivers often attempt delivery after business hours- at 8:30 at night! Today, I opened my business to find an Amazon box left on the sidewalk and 8:50am before we I got there... a miracle it wasn't stolen!
I think the profitability of being an Amazon Flex driver might have a lot to do with where you live. I was talking to a Flex driver that lived within about 20 minutes of BWI Airport and he had mostly good things to say about. If you live in Los Angeles or DC you might be spending a lot more time sitting in traffic for a similar rate.
I work for a private courier. I think its definitely much better than Amazon flex because we get a company van to deliver the packages. However, it is very labor intensive as you have upwards of 250+ packages to deliver within a 10 hour shift. But once you get the hang of it, it becomes a relatively easy job.
@@za9737 which job is the easiest one? everything is hard labor. Even a security guard standing the whole shift or even the company you made is still stressful.
@@tansyong6854 ugh I know, you right bro I’m just being negative lol🤷🏼♂️ hysterically I’m starting at ups this week talking all this non sense lmao hopefully I last it’s a good job + benefits
@@za9737 good for you. Good luck! Enjoy your job and don't stress out yourself just think it easy. 😉 if you're positive in every situation everything will follow smoothly.
As an Uber eats driver I made 8000 this past year and had to pay 250 in taxes I had to make sure I kept all my recipes for gas and oil changes I personally think it was high but that’s what it is
You make enough just that it is usually a bit under minimum wage after you factor that in. (For a large percentage of drivers) In suburban Arizona they got paid enough to rent cars and still make some ok profit doing 2 blocks 5 to 6 hours of deliveries a day.
Had a roommate who did that for awhile and what they don't tell you is that your vehicle loaded up with pkg's and you are expected to deliver them in a set time period regardless of circumstances like traffic,weather or if there is a screw up with the delivery address, and if your as little as a min late on a delivery you get dinged on your performance score and if your overall score falls below a minimum established limit you will get fired,roomate finally said screw it as it just wasn't worth it
I employed newspaper contractors in california in exactly the same manner for 32 years. I paid a flat rate daily deliver fee based on the # deliveries. I even paid a bonus for correctly completed deliveries. I found that this was the best way to get my deliveries done on a timely basis. I tried many other methods and found that the workers always found a way to circumvent the delivery and fail to make each delivery while still collecting their income. During deliver time I found them in restaurants, donut shops, bathrooms, home, sleeping in their cars and many other locations that prevented them from completing their jobs. The average work time was 2 hrs. per day which could be completed in 1.5 hrs. I felt like a baby sitter that was constantly having to supervise their every action to get the job done.
I have a full-time job and work in the sales department. We have a designated receiving area for packages, but I always accept flex packages to make their life easier. It is a tough job in areas with heavy traffic.
Anyone who thinks this is a bad business practice should be appalled by the the dine-in restaurant industry. Amazon Flex, Lyft, and Uber clearly tell you that you're just a contractor - *not an employee* , and allow you to work at any time of the day, whenever you want to. Somehow, restaurants pay *below minimum wage* at $2.13 an hour(a legal loophole), *tips are not guaranteed* and *tables to serve are not guaranteed*. Even if you are not making any money, you are required to work the schedule and hours given to you. Also, most waiters are also required to pay a percentage of their tips to bussers and bartenders to compensate the employer's lack of compensation. Amazon Flex is a dream job for a side-hustler or a college student, stop trying to turn part-time jobs into full-time jobs.
RetosBeats The point is that there are jobs where you are actually employed with worst pay and more uncertain conditions than this contract job where you are not employed. These people who work at Amazon Flex and are complaining about the uncertainty and expenses of their job have the option of full time employment with UPS, USPS, or FedEx with competitive wages. However they keep working at Amazon anyways because the pay is too good and the job is too easy.
I downloaded the app and was thinking about doing this part time but after watching this I’m good. I’m not going to be exploited by amazon or any other company
UPS drivers top out at $37 right now, and you get a pension, PAID for health care, and of course a Union. I'm in the Hub and I make about a grand a week.
It’s true! Especially the Omar guy in Richmond! He could easily sign up for a trade and be working within 6 months. NorCal is still rebuilding so the trades are booming right now!
ups driver here high school diploma. paid vacation sick days 401k free health/dental coverage, free legal services, group insurance discount, 120k+ after 4th year.
This company never ceases to amaze me, with its Innovation and taking things to the next level entirely when other companies sit on their hands. Just remember people this is what you wanted, convenience and ease at any cost, this is the cost.
I tried Amazon flex and it was horrible compared to food delivery apps. They give you like 40 different packages and you need to load and scan them in your car. When you reach a stop its usually a maze like apartment with no parking. You need to press all kinds of codes to get in and walk around the apartment complex looking for the apt #. The packages aren't organized you just have to dig through the 40 packages they give you. When theres no parking you need to park far away back and forth just to drop off 1 package. My shift was 5-8 but I didn't finish till 11pm because of all the walking. I've never worked so hard for $80. Was a horrible experience I'm pretty traumatized by it. 😖😖😖
Well, they can, because they can choose not to insure themselves for all kinds of stuff, they dont need safety plans for themselves etc. And in this case, they can keep the costs down a lot by driving old cars. (and while maybe counting repairs as a cost, not counting the time to deal with that kind of things as a cost) So basically its a way for the big companies to cut the cost by having the workers be self employed.
Until automation takes over, last mile is cheaper. The post office was heavily subsidized, and still is internationally, but domestically? The real costs are being passed on now.
@@antondegroot6061 they maybe could keep costs down this way yes, but mostly by sacrificing their own safety. Also not insuring yourself might save money in the short tearm, but the second they get a non minor injury they are screwed. And to be honest. I don't think that most people that do this are clever enough to beforehand invest in a cheap old car to only use it for their deliveries. Most probably don't even have the money laying around to do so and just use the family car.
It’s almost like if you made labor organizing illegal you push huge insensitive to cut back wages and job security. If Jeff had tryed this in New York 20 years ago he’d find himself waking up Next to a Horse
AMAZON is a CROOK. How hard is it for a Computer to Re-Organize the delivery/packages and Allocate it according to the Drivers' Suburban Residency. Example: if Driver X lives in Suburb Z, the computer should allocate packages going to Suburb Z for Driver X.
I have worked for Amazon as a delivery driver. That lasted for 3 months. I then went to work for FedEx and was with them for 18 months. Now I work for myself and frankly I have looked at Flex. Wont do it. I wont try to deliver anything without people expecting me (doordash, Uber Eats, Grubhub, Postmates, etc) without proper uniform and markings. Even in NH its too dangerous for the driver. Not to mention the low pay and the high pressure from Amazon. I lasted only 3 months because of the ridiculous rules and pressure. There are more profitable "gigs" for drivers out there. Flex isn't it. Just my personal experience.
You people are volunteering to work hard for no money ... getting paid by what you do .. with no time frame..and using your car that u pay taxes for ...(Roads, gas , registration insurance, maintenance...) then undercut each other by working off the clock helping each other ...cray
1 year later: 1. Still no labeled clothing/vests 2. Still no way to know what route you’re signing up for or how far you’ll have to travel. 3. Still no $ help or bonuses for gas, car upkeep, etc for Flex Drivers 4. Deliveries for Flex drivers expand SO far that even after taking 3 hours to deliver packages, it can take another hour to get back home from where you had to deliver, all of which you’re not getting paid for.
dude this guy looks like such a nice guy i hope things turn around for him
Manuel Mezquita you got several dudes in the video...
@@dannynguyen4081 well all tbh gotta look for our fellow men and women
@@americanpatriot8426 I agree with you I have 4 jobs I bust my ass I think ppl use a lot of excuses now a day and I'm Mexican I live in Mexico and I bust my ass selling houses , trips, cars, loan so like I'm everywhere trying to make money, but ! Some ppl have it tough and need to get of that bad path and start working
@@americanpatriot8426 You must be fun at parties...
@@americanpatriot8426 I know. He should start running and doing cardio then join the military!
$67 for about 4 hours of work,gas,and wear on a vehicle!lol,in California no less!no thanks.
rooster that’s $16.75 an hour.. definitely way higher than most minimum wage jobs
@@jonf6191 how much for gas? makes it average at best.
Sr68720 with my civic I will put $10 for gas and easily make $100. And have plenty for every day use.
@@jonf6191 hahahahahahhahahahahahaha sure
@@dunoobyduby Sounds reasonable to me, I don't know why you would be laughing so hard.
18.65 might sound decent but take out self employment tax, gas and vehicle maintenance and its going to go down quite a bit...
Exactly!
More like $13 after all of that.
Most people that do this don’t realize that everything to do with your car is a tax deduction allowing you to keep most of not all your pay.
@@neraka-z4n Vehicle maintenance? And putting all of those miles on your car? I do not believe that qualifies.
@@neraka-z4n That would be a deduction from income tax not self employment tax. And that only works if you make enough money to have owed enough in taxes to make it worthwhile.
Bottom line:
Don't do this if you live in California.
Animado yup
I live in Vegas and there is traffic at times but not that often so technically I can do do this job. And I feel bad for Californians
Iwas doing this in Ca for 5 years. sucks specially in L.A..no parking ect and not everyone lets u use the bathroom in leasing offices .now i do this in Wa and is easier than CA😁1mn apart deliveries
Don't do this at all, your making a billionaire richer while you barely survive.
I live in Mississippi. Sometimes people have to go through Memphis and it can be absolute hell.
next thing will be same day, then predictive shipping before you order
Same day delivery already exists in Amazon prime, even express delivery of 1-2 hours in some areas.
Same day is already an option on some items, or you can can pick it up at a Amazon center.
Amazon did an experiment a few years ago, they'd look at something you looked at several times and send it out and if you didn't buy it they'd re-direct it back to them prior to delivery. The pilot failed and they decided not to implement.
That sounds so cool. Like a personal loot box!
Crazy like what happened to patience.
Amazon Flex outside of big major cities is great, inside of big major cities.... not so much.
Yeah it wouldn't be great in the city at all
yeah in most big Canadian cities, parking even for 5min is a nightmare.
I did it in las vegas and it was great. I always finished at least an hour early so i technically made more than $18 an hour. Plus if thr order is for a hotel or apartment complex, most of their mail rooms sign for everything and take them all and distribute them themselves. I had a 4 hour $72 shipment, and it took me 1.5 hours because of this.
Rudie Obias not sure what city you doing but in Chicago it’s great especially doing whole food delivery. You can make 1k+ a week doing just dat
actually may be quite the opposite. If the pay is fixed, you're got distance to deliver which hurts you. That's why having density is good. Sadly, Amazon doesn't have density as we can see in Los Angeles in this video compare to FedEx and FedEx is 1/3 the size of UPS in density.
How much money do you really make after deducting EVERY single expense?
They will lose money but for now it's about trapping you so u use their service forever not profit yet
@@tawongamunyanduri5874 He's talking about those shippers(If that's a term, idk) not the Amazon company.
I would drive within a 10 mile radius and in total would drive around 20 miles for every 4hr shift
@@bba465 UBER is much more profitable if you live in the metropolis.
And for the drivers it's obvious and it's shown in the video: Depends on where you live, and what you drive. Same as with uber/lyft.
If you're a dork who gets off on owning a 60k$ BMW and tries to pay it of by driving uber in congested area's, you're gonna be sad. If you drive the most cost efficient ~5-10yr old car and find the best area's to drive, you're gonna be happy.
As an Amazon Employee, I gotta say, they don't really care of their employees. They always say Safety is number one Priority, no safety concern at all, a total bs.
If I get hurt in my job that's a write up.
What company cares for their employees? Maybe small businesses, but when they go big they figure out that caring less puts more in their pockets. Everyone complains about amazon but keep buying from it, including myself.
Yup
Ya, its called slave labor
They always claim safety is their number one priority, but if you have a large amount of parcels that need to be delivered in a big area then the driver cuts corners in the name of saving time.
Factoring in gas and depreciation of the car， the earnings are likely zero
Almost nothing honestly
@Randy She This exactly happen to me back in last 2015 with Lyft...Thank goodness I got out asap.
Chris Ruiz Only if you itemize. I’m pretty sure if you’re doing jobs like ride share and delivery, you’re more than likely using the standard deduction.
@Chris Ruiz how?
@Chris Ruiz To a extent, really after you right off the gas your already maxed out so no. Also most people doing these sorts of "contracts' dont even make enough to file a 1099 in the first place.
I drove for flex. Don't do it. If you live in a city with lots of traffic it's almost impossible to finish routes. You delivering in ghetto areas is a big risk to you, especially at night. It's random routes and if they give you something that is 30-40 minute drive away, u can't say no or they write u up. Downtown routes are even worse cause u can't find parking and they expect you to pay for your own parking, f that. Amazon don't care for there workers. I talk to warehouse workers all the time and they say that it's not safe and everything is rushed. Crappy pay, crappy benefits and being overworked all the time. Those people are desperate to find a paying job so they let Amazon take advantage of them.
Too bad they can't find a better job. Too bad their only use in modern society is making deliveries for others. Too bad they have no useful skills except for delivering things. Oh, well. No ones fault but their own.
@@RyuuOujiXS Kinda ironic coming from you.
Yeh now that I think about it most blocks are like in the HIGH traffic times of the day. 1pm-5pm damn parking lot delivery
No problems at all here in Phoenix. I've been delivering for 3 years now. Most 4 hour blocks I finish in 1.5 hours. Most deliveries are in the same neighborhood or office buildings. Round trip I drive at maximum 50 miles. And that's from my house to the warehouse, make deliveries and then back home.
jet052673 Well stick an apple in my mouth and ride me like a farm animal.
The response from Amazon is that they would rather replace you with robots, but you are currently cheaper than the robots.
Just like Uber and Lyft self driving cars will one day make humans unneeded.
When I work for Amazon and I will conduct the daily motivational speech and expectations, I would always tell him to work diligently so that way we don't come in here one day and find robots at our stations
Like the soviets at chernobyl
Drones and robots don't join unions.
Drones and robots don't complain.
Was bummed when I applied for flex and was told they weren’t currently adding drivers in my area. After watching this video I see it was a blessing.
Lucky you... it would have been the worst job you ever did. You will be lucky to earn minimum wage after fuel and other deductions. In addition to high mileage, depreciation and and heavy wear and tear on your vehicle. I did it for 2 weeks and called it a day. Flipping burgers even pays better than this Amazon Flex crap. The only winners are Jeff Bezos and his cronies.
@@styno2010 I appreciate the info. Taco Bell across the street paying$18 he closing shift. Still can't get anyone. Ty again
@@styno2010 A good gig to have if you need writeoffs for a different business though. lmao
@@styno2010 ahh yes Jeff Bezos the man with more money than he can spend in a lifetime
@@styno2010 Right! This is the same with Uber, people forget all the extra costs that comes with the car. I get it if you do this one or two days a week, next to a regular job, if you need some extra cash and like to listen to your own music while driving but that should be it.
Is Amazon trying to challenge Walmart as the #1 shittiest employer?
Yes
treasarrrr They’ll have to try a lot harder.
bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
MrHoppers002 don’t they pay the most though?
People commit suicide at amazon warehouse. None at Walmart
Amazons solution for the most expensive part: turn employees into contractors and pay them less with no benefits!
...
YET when they market their "Start your own business by becoming an Amazon Delivery Service Partner! Start your own fleet!" they have a stipulation that anyone you hire must be hired as an employee and NOT a contractor. Hypocrites. What's new?
J D - it's so they don't have subcontractors of subcontractors. Not hypocrites.
Dan, would you do any different if you owned amazon? you wouldn't be like jeff bezo the richest person.
@@popoju9 If I ever owned a company I definitely would treat workers a lot better than the corporations currently in control of our country.
Dan Sek no you wouldn’t. You would do what saves money
Being independent you should not get deactivated for not taking bad routes
at least until the drone and robot come online i guess.
@@alex1vid When does Amazon "take one for the team"?
kenz200g I agreed with you on this one. You should take the route you want. And if more than two denies a rote pay more for that route. There’s a reason why. Hi
@@noirto2 lol drones in the hood. Free items
@@UA-camUA-cam-hy4sl by that logic, cars in the hood free item?
I agree 100% with the fact that they should at least have an Amazon labeled vest and optional Amazon Delivery magnets for the sides of their car. It would improve their perception to the public so much and it would really go a long way for very little money in the long term.
No thanks to the magnets. As a flex driver I would prefer if people didn't know I have amazon packages in my car especially in apartment complex's where I might be away from my car for 5 minutes.
As a flex driver we do got the vest but I would never put the stickers
They give you vests with the Amazon logo, the blue ones. This video is old
@@kanita0958 correct
i get both the vest and stickers but don’t use stickers
Amazon: We offer $18-$25 an hour
Flex Driver: 36 miles and I have to cover my expenses? No thank you, next.
Amazon: Thats a write up.
Flex Driver: .. but you're hurting my pocket if I take that route.
Amazon: .... thats another write up.
😂🤣
That's 36 miles one way, and slow highways, I used to live here! We are already at 72 miles, now he has to drive around to drop everything off, 100 miles total and pay a $6 bridge toll, if he writes off by the mile his right off will be close to or possibly above his pay!
And you have to do 20 more routes to get it off your record lol
Keep complaining and drones will take these jobs. Then you can sit at home on your sofa and complain you don't have a job.
@@TeachAManToAngle Amazon wants to use drones anyway, they don't care if the drivers are happy or not lol they're the most replaceable part of the company
One parking ticket and you lost your pay for the day
How long do you stop for!?
I had that happened to me once when I delivered in Allentown,PA. I went to the police station and they dropped the ticket and they gave me a paper that shows I’m a delivery driver
Your fault your loss
Photo radar and you lose your entire week’s salary.
#AmazonAfter
Feeling guilt as human. I want my package so fast, even though most are not urgent that I forget what other people go through to make that happen. Sigh.
Me too, I just asked a cold mask in 2 days.
Just do the standard time and they give you a buck or something..
I asked for a nail polish same day delivery 😔
Your sorry asses are still prime members though and complaining to customer support about something they have no control over. Just saying.
Yeah this is sobering me all the way up.
As long as these drivers continue to make deliveries for Amazon nothing will change, even with all of their complaints. Amazon knows this too.
“My vehicle got stuck, can you help me?”
“No, can you finish the delivery?”
“Yea, I just finished them all right now. They were delivered to the middle of this muddy driveway in the middle of some random person’s property.”
That's what AAA is for.
Amazon can't help when no common sense. Drive into mud; get stuck. All I hear is a bunch of whining from childish adults. Flex or don't Flex; nobody is holding a gun to your head.
Wayne Fairley they get written up for not taking a given route they know they can’t handle. Even still, they may not know a route contains a bad road for their vehicle. Simple fixes, by Amazon, could eliminate this. Amazon doesn’t take into account that a person is driving a 2wheel drive Prius when it gives a route down a muddy slope, yet penalized people for not taking a route and still expects them to complete each route even if they can’t handle it.
It’s not a literal gun to their head, just a legal and financial one. People who drive Uber/etc, don’t often do it for fun. They do it because they need cash bad and Amazon takes advantage of that by telling people in a car that isn’t up to par to go down a road their car can’t handle. Every driver I know for Uber is a person desperate to make rent AFTER their job, this is no different except it penalizes people for trying to use their common sense. Those packages aren’t delivered or refused? They get a write up.
Yes I used them to get my vehicle unstuck there might be some losses to product, but thanks for your help
That prob wasnt amazon, it was just a random person on the phone who works there. My old boss was the same way when I delivered pizza. A coworker got into a wreck and the first thing my boss asked him was did he finish his delivery? Later down the road that boss was transferred and we got a new manager. Someone got a flat tire and this manager dropped everything and left the store to go help that person. Its not the company.. Its management.
One thing for sure:
*THEY'RE NOT FLEXING TO WORK*
LMAOOO
iFlakez 😂😂😂
💀
They should be happy they even have a good job, if not quit and get another job😆😆😆
Amazon doesn't really seem to care about the people working for them.
I heard it is just as bad on the CS side. Horror stories and threats/hostile work environment.
U just noticed? lmao, they treat the warehouse workers like bots lmfao.
Customer don’t care
nikki just had an epiphany! :-) So right though..
Of course they don’t. They’re not in business to hand out good paying jobs. Their sole purpose is to make a profit.
The most important thing that should be on everyone's mind currently should be to invest in different sources of income that doesn't depend on the government. Especially with the current economic crisis around the word. This is still a good time to invest in various stocks, Gold, silver and digital currencies.
That's so true. but if i may ask, do you trade all by yourself?
*ROCHELLE DUNGCA-SCHREIBER,* that's her official page name you can do a web search to get in touch with her
Did flex for 1 month. After calculating tax, miles driven, wait time, delivery time, gas. It became clear that I was making less than minimum wage. I already had a job and was only testing the waters. I feel sad for the people who do this out of necessity.
It’s honestly great I’m happy doing this
@@Mayam12.16 you know you gotta pay taxes on money earned?
Dude exactly!!! But some people are to stupid to look at the numbers correctly and think they made money... yea minimum wage and beating on your car
I think it depends on many factors. Like how much gas costs currently (it’s almost $2 down from last year), what your city layout looks like ( no tolls here in Kansas City) and traffic time isn’t half as bad as it is in LA or Tampa. Also take into account how much gas your car spends. For some people all of the factors are to their advantage and for others it doesn’t make them money. It all depends.
Another thing is that many things are tax deductible, such as mileage, many car expenses, insurance, phone bill, etc.
I’m an Amazon DSP driver so I drive an actual van. My hours are also guaranteed. They only let you work four day weeks normally because they don’t want to pay so much overtime. During the peak season they do let you work five day weeks and that amounts to 5-10 hours of overtime a week. Even though they usually only let you work four days a week, it is a full time job. 35 hours or more is considered full time. I usually work between 35 and 40 hours a week. The one five day week I worked during the peak season I worked eight hours of overtime. After my previous job didn’t work out I did try applying for Flex but they didn’t have open positions in my area on Long Island in NY. But it’s probably better that I didn’t get a Flex gig because I can’t put so many miles on my car.
Oh.. This is how Bezos became world's richest man.
Zian Anzam by being innovative and intelligent, yep
Smarter Than You a greedy POS *
@@mattbrew11 using people like a tool of business other than humans yes terrible
Exactly
Uhm this is how he stays wealthy
I didn't know that Amazon employed these contract drivers until recently. I was wondering why dudes in sketchy white vans and random cars came up on my driveway and delivered my stuff. xD
Calvin Dang yup that’s us!😂
Marlin R won’t be for long. I’ve seen several test drones already
You’re dumb lol w no offense and I say this joking around haha. But drones won’t be able to replace us. Delivering packages is super easy but w Amazon’s system it won’t be possible lol trust me. They have a lot of flaws lol
Marlin R they’ve got drones that can climb stairs and fly in right corridors. Yes humans will be doing those crazy apartments for a long time but there won’t be any humans in neighborhoods doing this within 4-5 years
Unless you deliver full time then you won’t understand. Maybe 10 years from now..
All this stuff makes me not want anything anymore.
I'm hurting people without knowing it.
I bought a generic toner cartridge for my lazer printer it was less than $10 with the shipping. I felt so good about getting such a ridiculous deal, but later felt bad that some poor guy had to suffer (with his own car) delivering this.
But we still need the money. It's a gamble
ron fazer i’m poor?
What do u mean? It's making more jobs. These people aren't obligated
Jesus Malverde it means these people dont know what they’re talking about 😂
Exploit the underemployed by having them bare the cost of vehicle maintenance, liability insurance, and taxes because they are not technically employees.
Their choice tho.
But if you already maintain your vehicle, have insurance and pay taxes, what does it matter?
@@hayjacob666
Because driving a car mroe doesn't put additional wear on it or consume fuel...
Exploiting? These workers are entering into this job willingly. They should know the risks and costs.
@khrom
And yet amazon does its best to hide the risks and costs, because they know the rates they pay do not cover them... Hmm.
Gotta say as a prime member the next day thing does nothing for me. 2 day was more than fast enough. Most of what I order on amazon I do not need in a super fast manner. Prime is just a way to stop getting screwed on shipping for me. plus the video/music of course.
@@Ducks-are-cool1 the price is $12.99 per month or $119 per year.
Interesting, I use prime for the same thing. In India the rates are drastically different though. It’s 1000 Rs. a year (14 USD). I’m guessing it’s heavily subsidised to make people dependant on amazon and eventually they will stop subsidising delivery costs and jack it up.
U K pretty much they’ll make Indians dependent on Amazon and then they’ll jack the prices and most indians who can afford it will pay.
the probably switched to 1 day because a lot of the competition was starting to deliver in 2 days. when the price and cost is the same, the low hanging fruit left is speed
1 day is due to their war against WalMart and WalMart does 2 day delivery so to one up them Amazon is doing next day. Next up same day then order by 10am get it by 2pm sort of nonsense.
Amazon is absolutely taking advantage of people with this service!
*Yeah, they should absolutely quit.*
good i want my package next day
How dare they offer a job that people can voluntarily accept if they determine it to be their best option? How oppressive!?
Taking advantage? Their lazy people who want a simple job, and know what they're going to make going in. No one's forcing them to do it. They are the ones screwing themselves over.
Nobody from this Flex job was forced to do it ...so if they dont like it they should just not do it ey
Legend has it that Omar Montes still hadn't finished his deliveries...
You’re a Bad man😂🤣🤣😅
Lmao 😂
😂😂🤣
😂😂😂😂
As a UPS driver, I don’t see this as competition directly. To bad they do not have a union to have their backs and no job security.
That's the risk of entrepreneurialism.
Noel Santos Yes! ! Some of them are working 3 jobs or 7 days a week. In the U S the annual median PERSONAL income is 31k and the median HOUSEHOLD income is 59k . Amazon Employees are the victims of
"Crony Capitalism" a system based on = (Exploitation of labor for profit) and the funny part is the Employees aren't even aware of it. Your union job have guaranteed paid 8 hours or 4 hour shifts protection. Up to 6 weeks vacation pay. Full health and dental insurance coverage. Free legal services. A full time driver can earn up to 110k per year working only 5 days a week. Yeah sign me up UPS. Amazon delivery drivers income are at the poverty level based on the numbers they have been presenting in their arguments.
MrHoppers002 1.2% for one of the shipping giants so literally nothing
Amazon makes up about 30% of UPS's business. Funny thing is UPS isn't afraid of them walking away. Amazon NEEDS UPS. The sheer volume UPS does alone SCARES other delivery companies. Plus now that FEDEX has stopped delivering packages for Amazon, because they claim they're not making money. UPS is going to carry a heavier load. And with USPS, it's only going to get worse for them, once Amazon is able to streamline their air and delivery system. 70% of USPS business is Amazon.
@@ClickToPreview thats the corruption of crony capitalism.
Amazon is a cancer. I moved to Australia where Amazon barely exists and the city still has thriving retail and department stores like North America did in the 90s and prior. It's so much better for everyone.
But people have to purchase their Polish polka dot socks online and get it next day.
Some big box stores like Best Buy are thriving. Especially since they match Amazon prices.
I will not go back to buying from physical stores
@@MrJanus19 you don't need to, they're all dead
@@MrJanus19 it's so much more convenient though. I bought a new Wacom tablet at Best Buy recently. I had it home and was playing with it it under an hour. Ordering from Amazon would've taken days.
amazon doesn't care about its third party sellers, low-level employees, or their drivers. they are labeled independent contractors and yet are told how many packages, route and time to complete only when they show up but if they refused they are written up with a possibility of being fired. you're not allowed a break or time to even use the toilet in the time alloted. so are they an employee or independent contractor?
Labeling them as "Independent Contractors" also prevents them from forming a Union, since Independant Contractors aren't allowed to form Unions under CA law
What they are is placeholders for vastly superior, complaint free clean electric drones
These aren’t independent contractors, these are massively exploited employees
""These aren’t independent contractors, these are massively exploited employees""
Only if you don't know what you're doing (or you do this in LA, SF or any other city that has horrible traffic)...I make over 30.00/hr when I do Amazon deliveries...you gotta work smart, not hard!
@@DavidLopez-lz9ff what happens if you’re sick or need to take holiday? Then you just don’t deserve to get paid?
Uber isation, poverty for us, high profit for them.
@@DavidLopez-lz9ff think that’s my point. I don’t see any reason why these drivers are contractors other then to screw them out of basic benefits that Amazon can definitely afford to pay
@@madman3470 Welcome to the New America...FedEx Ground started it when they acquired RPS...nowadays, if every company Can get IC instead of employees they WILL.
How does Amazon define "mid-size sedan?" When they show the line, I see Hyundai Elantras and Honda Civics, those are compact cars.
Maybe they are scamming. They say they will use a big car but they are not checked?
Well my Elantra hatchback can fit 6 or 7 suitcases if you are smart with it. But I agree, you need the right vehicle for the job, like the ranger seen in the video with a cap over the bed
This is just a bandaid operation till they can get drones to work, then they won’t need as many drivers.
@mr fantastic Moron steals your package? Can happen anyway, you'll get your payment back, amazon will lose some. Crashing into cars? Yeeah that is what they are trying to solve
@mr fantastic First: they will fly on their own and no driver will fly them. It's stupid to have a human controller as it will again not save any cost.
Second: You can't shoot drones and steal the packages. I mean who is stopping you rightnow to shoot the delivery guy and steal the packages. Both of them will be considered a serious offense and only thief and thugs will try to do that and most likely get caught too. That's just plain stealing sir.
And Last: they won't crash, do you travel in airplanes ? do they crash everyday on your house or in your city? Today's technology is way more advanced then you think and they for sure will have small parachutes for your windshield, just in case.
Don't think you are the smartest guy and people investing billions with years of experience in tech and management are dumb. When one product is made it is made by taking all these silly things in consideration. These things that you are talking about is not even the main challange.
Main challenges are like reduction of cost and not what your stupid mind things.
agreed, perhaps better to spend your time to learn about drone tech or coding for algorithms.
I actually work at the number 1 Amazon delivery warehouse and from what I've seen Amazon is always hiring new flex drivers so they just have this pool of people and now it's less flex and more Amazon van routes so no drones anytime soon lol
How would it work? Like will it need it own Amazon ATC?
A sustained one-day delivery network is a pipedream on Amazon's part. Amazon only has 1/10 of Walmart's nationwide distribution, shipping, and logistics network. And Walmart's system of having the customer to order online and come to the store for the same or next day pickup is working.
2016 flex: $92 5-10pkgs 4pm.(party)
2019 flex: $57.50 40+pkgs 415pm.(slavery)
Coming from the Veteran driver. Georgetown DSE2 WA.
So true slavery. It's absolute nonsense!
I don't get it, Amazon revenue is increasing every year, why is pay reducing....
@@masyaf897 why is pay reducing ＼(゜ロ＼)(／ロ゜)/
With the gas and wear/tear on your car. I don't think it's worth it. The same thing with Uber and Lyft.
It's good to get a beater for something like Flex. That way you don't put all the weather and tear on your primary vehicle.
Mr. Cairo still not worth it. By the time you make your money back with 35$ profit of the day. Because you would need like 30$ of gas.
Lol forgot taxes at years end . 1099s don’t have any withheld so you have to pay that every year out of earnings .
@@Jonathan-tb6fm its worth it if u know what u doing
You have to run this like a business. Don't drive your late-model sedan. Get the cheapest reliable car you can. Use it ONLY for this business. Keep copious records on gas, maintenance, parts repairs, tolls, etc. At the end of the year you should be able to deduct enough that you show minimal profit, if any. Businesses pay taxes on PROFIT, not INCOME. You could make, say, $30k but have $28k in deductions. You're taxed on the $2k "profit".
Very quality news. Thank you for concerning those employees.
Bet montez's flex account got deactivated after the interview.
Montez was on check please Bay area. I can't remember the episode but he went to a brewery in SF something bear. ua-cam.com/video/HpeGlv88WgA/v-deo.html there he is
Stan L LMAO he seems to like being on camera
Facts boys
*He's no longer with them*
Montez is an industry plant.
I work at at an Amazon warehouse and I am literally the person who assigns the drivers their routes, after watching this video i will definitely try to give drivers shorter routes because this is just totally unfair to them. At my warehouse drivers have 4.5 blocks with 45 packages going to downtown Dallas where traffic and parking is horrible
sure
Shure you'll not be in that job for long.Want desperate people to do work but most just passing through
More money! 3-5$ per package
I was told the computer generates how many packages and the time it takes?
In Delaware, I've done a 3 and a half hours route with almost 40 packages. I still got done before the route. There's many whom actually stop during the route simply because they weren't prepared!
All I know is that most times, regardless of the length of my route, I'm generally home before the route ends. It's absolutely amazing!
Damn. Amazon is sloppy with their employees. That's why I'll sometimes go out of my way to shop elsewhere
Amazon flex drivers are not Amazon employees!
Employees? No, Amazon has gone a level lower to slave-contractor.
I stop buying from Amazon and go to store instead
I'm a Fedex Express Courier, and it's very sad to see these people being taken advantage of. Amazon is currently attempting to cut out UPS Postal and Fedex. They're breaking a lot of eggs to make that omelette, and it will come back to hurt them.
Nah... Amazon will put them out of business than go back to 2 day or slower when they control the market.
Fedex got cut out recently and they switched to UPS.
not worth it at all. seems a lot of people just weigh in gas and time but dont really think about how expensive maintenance costs really is. factor in kms, brakes, oil changes, you're essentially using your vehicle as a credit card (have money now, pay for it later) this goes with uber, uber eats etc
depends on what you drive, if you have a new car then no. If you get a used well maintained Toyota Corolla with 100K+ millage, it has already gone through kms depreciation, Corolla maintenance is also dirt cheap, so you can basically use it until 300K until it breaks for a very low cost. TLDR: look for a good condition used Corolla
@@woshikakadong you're right about how it would have gone through the bulk of its depreciation but lets use real numbers to get a better understanding;
Lets use their example of $105 to deliver 46 packages in 3.5hrs. And thats on a GOOD day.
Now lets make it $210 for 92 packages in 7hrs to replicate a typical work day. If you were to work 5 days a week you'd be making $54,390 in a year. Keep in mind you're not eligible for any work benefits or the fact that you don't receive any holiday pay. Now you might be saying hey at least I'm only working 7hrs instead of 8 but employers are obligated to pay for up to 30mins worth of breaks.
I live in Canada and minimum wage is $15. Converted to USD is about $11.5/hr
The cost of your time itself is $92/day or $23,830/yr if you we're just to work minimum wage
*Note distance will be measured in metric but costs converted back into USD*
Okay now the fun stuff: Car maintenance and depreciation!
On average you drive about 20km a year. Using the example in the video the area the packages were to be delivered was 36 miles away or 60km away in 3 hours. During a normal work day thats more like 120km. That only gets you to the area you need to be so lets say 500m per 1 package now you're looking at 165km a day
So in 1 year you would rack up roughly 42,735km on your car in just delivering packages.
Oil changes cost $20/10000km so $80/yr and you've already went through more than half the lifespan of your tires and brakes not including your rotors.
Gas lets say its $27/500km so $2310yr.
On kijiji a 2009 Corolla with 118km is $5000 so it would last you roughly 4 years assuming it doesn't breakdown before your estimated 300km and assuming you're only using it to deliver amazon packages but chances are the majority of people who do this, probably don't have the funds for another vehicle so it'd probably last you 3.
So time@$23,830+oil change@$80+gas@2310=$26,220
Now you might be thinking well damn I'd still be making $25k more doing this then working but keep in mind these numbers are very reserved and are perfect scenarios. The reality is that $52k is based on a good day and for the vast majority of days you'll most likely be taking a loss since you don't know your schedule until you get to the actual fulfillment center. Factor in take the time and money you'd have to frequently do maintenance (waiting for an oil change, the pain of changing tires, brakes, rotors assuming you know how to do all these things yourself) the high likely hood that your car probably won't last 300k and you're more prone to be involved in a accident for driving that much its not worth it at all. Because I hope for the large majority of people on here - that they're not just working minimum wage.
@@johnt8814 i think thats mostly because Canada has a extremely high minimum wage of 15/h, im a computer science student at UofT, most student graduate getting paid around 17/h for their first job while having huge amount of student loan, for a lot of people uber/amazon may be the better option
@@woshikakadong I can totally see why it can be attractive for people earning lower income, but I really want to stress that Amazon, Uber/ubereats really isn't worth it.
They simply created a pay scale that is just high enough to have people do it but low enough to make the most money out of it. But if you actually put in the real life costs and probability of your vehicle breaking down you'll be working for free at times. If you were to ask someone "do you think you'll live long?" Chances are they'll overestimate how much that figure that really is. Just like what you've done with "corollas able to make it to 300km“ like sure they can, but most of them won't. And with you being pressured to make deadlines chances are you won't be driving it economically which hurts gas mileage and the longevity of your car. I'm just saying this as a cautionary warning.
My two cents on delivering in Portland.1) 1st day-no help in warehouse. told them I was new. some packages not scanning well. wasn't sure what bar code to scan. felt rushed. left without my "paper". told them on the way out. no help. said I do not need it.
2) Packages were not marked as to deliver this 1st, 2nd according to route. could only see address and not familiar with city. Assigned a 3 hr block 5p to 8p.
3) started at 5p. left warehouse at 530p. took 30 mins to deliver 1st package. commute traffic was horrific. then multiple luxury apts that were closed and locked after 6p. customer not responding or name on apt list was missing.
4) map on flex app took me to different areas where the freeways were close together. lost 30 mins because of that. again, terrible traffic. Otherwise flex app was pretty good.
5) because I could not organize my packages I had to dig for every package. nightmare. late at night. no flashlight.
6) finally at 8p I was able to start delivering to houses or easy access apts but cutoff is about 930p and the app that I was using just disappeared as I was taking a picture of a drop off.
7) still had 4 packages to deliver but had to return them back at station at 10p.
8) So my 1st 3 hr block lasted 5 hours and I was unable to deliver the last 4 packages.
9) So..BYE BYE Amazon flex for package delivery. will try Instant offers..but mostly will stick to Door Dash where I know the area and not feel so rushed with less wear and tear on my car
Now I understand why flex drivers leave my packages on random door steps and should they make it to my actual apartment I realize why they never knock.
@Josiah Gringo exactly☝️ people don't understand that
i did uber for 2 years ... first year 36k next year 50k, then uber took 25%,, ouch,, they cut the quest weekly bonus ,,,, i give up...
When?
Get a real job and stop whining
@David No it's not.
@@yusufcagowayne1990 uber is a real job
Uber and these type of jobs are not real job these companies are leeching off of you if you factor in cost and maintenance of your vehicle you're barely even making money if you have a new car the first couple years might be great wait till you put on a hundred thousand miles and everything in your car starts falling apart
I love how everybody loves to bash the Union but this is what happens when the union slowly get pushed out
Unions do well where they're needed, and exploit people all the same where they are not needed.
mike cornew people have been brainwashed to blame the working class
The only people in unions that really take advantage of it are the talking heads. The ones your union dues pay... To take golfing trips. Go to strip clubs. Buy politicians for favorable contracts.
Unions have become too powerfull imho. I am a truck driver and the teamsters push for higher insurance rates. To try and cut out us private owner operators. They hate the fact we don't pay a protection money.... You know. Like what the mob does to small shop owners. ;)
Amen. I tell my coworkers that if the union wasn’t making $35 hr you certainly wouldn’t be making $25!
The Union members with their blood, sweat and tears, created the middle class. When Reagan and Bush began sending Manufacturing jobs out of the country and squeezing Unions, this is the result. Overworked and under paid with no benefits.
The main reason Amazon want to contract out all this last-mile delivery is that it gets the most expensive part of delivery off their books and puts those costs on to their new "business" partners, who, as small businesses, can't take advantage of economies of scale, and may be taking the losses that Amazon is avoiding through this arrangement. Sweet deal for Amazon. Not clear whether the drivers make out so well on average.
I dont even use amazon prime, but I still get packages the next day :/ they're workin these people hard
2HootHoot you mean these people are signing up to work hard
they did sign up for it no ? if they really wonna earn money , i think in the US is working as a bloody waiter . They earn llike 5x more then i do in my country ( we fall under the top 3 worst payed people ) while in the US all you guys get a minimum of 10 percent of each bill ( and if you are actually doing your job alot more )
@@wouterfaes2309 And that's our problem how?
for so little
Wouter Faes um no you don’t have to pay any tips in America you chose what tip you pay there’s no guarantee here In fact the waiters and waitresses get paid roughly 2$ an hour and make their living off of tips there’s no requirement to tip at all tip=customers choice whether that be 0$ or 100$ customers are only legally required to pay the bill not the tip and the only penalty is you look like a bad person for not tipping
Within the next 4-5 years, drones will deliver to those extra last few miles from the nearby Amazon hub to a specific locality in bulk. Flex driver will just distribute those packages to his locality. No long driving from nearby Amazon hub to the locality. But using a drone to deliver to the individual household may not work.
Fedex Express courier here. Listening to these flex drivers talk about the stress of the commitment times, traffic, and the anxiety, I honestly feel you guys.
Yeah, drive 35 miles in traffic and deliver 45 packages in 3 hours...he figured out real quick it would take 4-5 hours and half a tank of gas at Cali prices and he didn't wanna work for almost nothing
amazon with a history of paying it's employee's crap...……..yet people don't think twice about how little that delivery person gets paid
You're right. No one gives a #*/ as long as they get free shipping on their Amazon crap while more and more businesses and stores close down and thousands of workers lose their jobs. I refuse to buy from Amazon. They are just working to create a monopoly regardless of the damage they cause. Consumers will realize this in a few more years when they have fewer and fewer choices.
*home
That's how marketing works
and the delivery drivers still turn up to pick up more packages, FUNNY THAT!
@Andy Evans Actually, it's called exploitation. Marketing is how they get regular people not to care about the exploitation. But at the core of it all, it's *exploitation*.
In Los Angeles this is imposible to do. 90 percent of places are apartments with no dam parking anywhere
Damn*
Yeah that sucks been in LA no good 👎
Imagine here in nyc lmaoo
I agree iwas getting paid 11.50 inever foumd parkimg .ihated that job 15hrs a day not worth it
Tried this for about 2 months in the busiest LA areas (Silverlake, Echo Park, Hollywood, NoHo). It's exactly what you'd expect. Apartments take a while to access, had to double park often with the big white vans which upset people. My shift was during rush hour too, so road rage was a part of every shift. Definitely took a toll mentally.
14:16 "Drones that can react to flailing hands and screaming voices"
Nope, that's not unsettling at all
What does that even mean???😵😵😵
@@estephanyrios7700 they know how angry their drones will make folks!
This is how the war with the machines starts😱
@@estephanyrios7700 That you can warn the drone of danger, like if it was flying at you or something, I'd imagine.
KFStreich their making my convenience and my stocks very happy. Come on drones!
he got written up for refusing a route that is not worth it for him? yikes, yeah not for me, I'm just looking for a fun side hustle
Try shipt.
If your looking for a fun side hustle try selling meth.
xD
I saw an Amazon driver punting the packages towards the front door.
Like a boss
HAHAHAHAHAHA
lol
Lmfao
As a truck driver, it's all logistics. Planning ahead, knowledge and equipment. Trucks don't have rear view mirror why you think need one fill out full organize your order before leaving so your more efficient. Tired dont stop for breaks sounds like a truck drivers job. Yes these people sound vulnerable but do what you got do. Sounds like it wont last and company will have there own UPS, FedEx, USPS coming already have trucks and planes.
That's what i was thinking the whole time these contractors were complaining. But that's the problem with these zero skill contract jobs (uber, flex, doordash). People with no qualifications have to learn the hard way about how to do the job. And they don't always learn the correct practices.
Thing is at least UPS/Fed Ex drivers have some form of training, a suitable vehicle for the job, maintainance on the vehicle, a company uniform, support in case of breakdowns etc.
It's no surprise that those struggling live in California...
The worst traffic on earth no less
@@progmanmike much better than china.lol
China is another planet!
Okay bot.
Not surprising at all considering the sanctuary cities and issuing drivers licenses to non US citizens. California made it's hard and lumpy bed and cries about sleeping in it.
California: We don't have to abide by your federal laws!
Fire: I will burn you to the ground!
California: We need help from the federal government!
California has been known to the state of cancer to cause idiocy.
$72 for a 4hrs block! 14:30 to 18:30, 41 packages, 39 locations. That's $18/hr. Looks fair, but its NOT, 4hrs turned to be almost 5hrs. GPS is too slow and in most cases took me around in circles between drops within the same neighborhood.
Last drop was 1hr 36 minutes away from my house. Spent around $22 on gas. (72-22=50) I end up making less than $10 an hour. (Taxes and vehicle wear-tear not factored).
In reality, from 11:00am I was constantly watching and refreshing the app to see if the rates will increase, couldn't sign up for other gigs; the hours may overlap. The route was 70% rural un-tarmacked roads with drops 2-3 miles apart some even 9 miles.
I left my house at 1:30pm returned shortly after 9:00pm, with less than $50 and a dusty hurting car from the beat up roads and constant hard braking due to a slow GPS.
Flexible Flex Flexibility!
1. Option to choose blocks within own neighborhoods, to ease the long commute and also for smooth, faster deliveries.( you already have all our PI in your big data)
2. Factor the mileage for rural vs metro, easy vs staggered drops.
3. Amazon Flex App. needs alot of improvement. Navigation is about 5sec too slow, have to drive below speed limits not to pass an exit. Takes the driver around the block just to come back and deliver a package to the house on the opposite side of the road. Comparing with other gig platforms, I find the navigation too somber and downbeat.
Gig Laborers, Platform workers, Independent contractors, Grey Economy you name it, Amazon lay a better foundation. Labor Unions, Associations ,AB5 etc are coming!
Damn Amazon can't even provide them a free flex shirt?
Azn Esthirteen I know, right.
They give you a vest
I wouldn't wear it
bruceownsu jeez dude chill lol
You willing to pay an extra $25/year for prime to do it?
Amazon leading the charge in switching from employees to contractors to do business. This feels like a dangerous shift for the general population.
How so?
Yesa, by using contractors,
Amazon removes the burdens that many corporate entities MUST under law, shoulder.
But in that, I DO NOT WORK for Amazon, but for the company CONTRACTED to Amazon.
In that, my company has protections, therefore shielding me from some of the "negative" examples of Amazon/employee interactions.
@@yes100yessireebob6 Those burdens are what give people health insurance, protection from unwarranted firing, retirement plans, and more favorable tax situations. Since the vast vast majority of people are workers not business owners, that's a big problem.
@@Tron08 That's not Amazon's problem though. People sign up and know what they're getting themselves into. There's nothing hidden.
@@willn8664 You are correct it is not Amazon's problem, it is in fact the worker's problem. The whole reason they've decided to go that route is it is cheaper and, in my opinion, borderline exploitative. One compnay doing this isn't necessarily a problem, but every company doing this quickly becomes a problem for the common worker. It's amazing to me how quickly some in this country will jump at the defense of corporations while ignoring a worker's right to ask for better treatment.
@@Tron08 flex drivers do not directly work for Amazon. Technically, they are their own bosses.
No thank you I rather try and work part time at a food chain than to deal with this B.S
How much are you guyz paid for Working part time in food chains in the US?
food chain you would have to be forced to interact with people, doing this - not so much...
shashwat shrey in Canada it’s like 15 an hour or some thing
@@Ryan-yr6hs in Ontario it 14 dollar an hour not all the same it across Canada
Definitely
Worst job I ever had, for a side hustle. Drove Lyft and Uber and they are literal heaven compared to this nonsense. Having an SUV they load my truck up with 30-40 packages and 3 hours to do the deliveries at night 5:30-9. You DO NOT get paid for extra time spent delivering. They may send you 30-45 minutes away to deliver packages and do not compensate you for that extra hour. My husband delivered with me a few times and didn't want me to do it. Gps connectivity issues are the norm, had to get my own gps so I wouldn't be lost. I finally quit when they were 45 minutes late giving us packages, loaded me down with 35 packages anyways with 2 hours to deliver, I spoke to the manager and said it was way too much, and he told me I had to attempt to deliver them anyway. What they want you to do is use your own time into the night to get the packages delivered and if the packages are late past 9pm, they hold it against you. You have to drive them back to the distribution by 10 am the following day. When I arrive to drop off undelivered packages they gave me the run around about giving them back, shaming me for not delivering all 35 packages in 2 hours. Not on your life would I work here. EVER!
there are analysts that advise against taking that Amazon offer to start your own business. They are specifically targeting people who have no experience who have no idea about the expenses that they are going to incur as they follow this unprofitable business model
the main issue is getting deactivated. you can do everything right and still get deactivated. if you're doing this for a living, that can literally make you homeless without it ever being your fault. that would never happen in the wage industry since you could get unemployment benefits while trying to find new work.
Dude looked like he was going for a hike; not delivering Amazon packages. Lol
I work for amazon flex, I use to make an average of $150 for 8hrs everyday. What they won’t tell you is the work recently became unreliable and it’s hard to get work for a lot of us now.
I live relatively close to my pick up area I been doing this part time on my off days and I love it! Whenever I go over my time due to any connection issues or delay in pick up I get compensated immediately. It’s so easy too, easy money
Bs!
If you did good for you.
480 minutes in 8 hours. That’s over 1 package per minute plus driving, loading etc. no way .
Amazon to Press: We work with the drivers to make sure they are safe delivering those packages.
Amazon to Flex Driver: Did you forget who we are?!? We are Amazon, you insect! If you don't deliver those packages then we will crush you and let the next ant take your place.
😂
This throws another red flag for whether its a contractor or employee. Getting written up for refusing a "contract" isn't a contract its a w-2 employee.
that's actually pretty accurate
Dog eat dog world.
The predators have these genes. Look around👀😂
Lmaoooo
They forgot to show them peeing in a bottle.
Amazon should make an official product called "Amazon pee bottle" for all their employees, and for anyone that would like to purchase it.
NiggaTigga94 what?
NiggaTigga94 we do this at UPS as well lol
Same with actual employees. I work in a amazon warehouse and even even pee in a water bottle and then leave it for hazmat to dispose of it
@BoWHeLLo i called the cops on someone last friday for that ... not my package or delivery but definitely peeing In My Bushes
@@juliekelliher8259 I wouldn't really care if they peed in my bushes . As long as they were covered you know. How are you today Ms. Julie
Really stupid idea Amazon. I live in a gated community and now that you rarely use Fedex or UPS, but these drivers instead, they are not allowed in the community. The gate has to call me at work, but often I am not reachable. Then, I also own a business. and these drivers often attempt delivery after business hours- at 8:30 at night! Today, I opened my business to find an Amazon box left on the sidewalk and 8:50am before we I got there... a miracle it wasn't stolen!
I think the profitability of being an Amazon Flex driver might have a lot to do with where you live. I was talking to a Flex driver that lived within about 20 minutes of BWI Airport and he had mostly good things to say about. If you live in Los Angeles or DC you might be spending a lot more time sitting in traffic for a similar rate.
I work for a private courier. I think its definitely much better than Amazon flex because we get a company van to deliver the packages. However, it is very labor intensive as you have upwards of 250+ packages to deliver within a 10 hour shift. But once you get the hang of it, it becomes a relatively easy job.
It will never be an relatively easy job…
@@za9737 which job is the easiest one? everything is hard labor. Even a security guard standing the whole shift or even the company you made is still stressful.
@@tansyong6854 ugh I know, you right bro I’m just being negative lol🤷🏼♂️ hysterically I’m starting at ups this week talking all this non sense lmao hopefully I last it’s a good job + benefits
@@za9737 good for you. Good luck! Enjoy your job and don't stress out yourself just think it easy. 😉 if you're positive in every situation everything will follow smoothly.
What they pay you
Eventually these use your own car programs people will wake up and realize they aren't even making enough to pay for vehicle costs.
You have to pay for gas car repairs oil changes.
As an Uber eats driver I made 8000 this past year and had to pay 250 in taxes I had to make sure I kept all my recipes for gas and oil changes I personally think it was high but that’s what it is
Julian Del Campo is that good or bad?
MASSIVE DEPRECIATION.
You make enough just that it is usually a bit under minimum wage after you factor that in. (For a large percentage of drivers) In suburban Arizona they got paid enough to rent cars and still make some ok profit doing 2 blocks 5 to 6 hours of deliveries a day.
Had a roommate who did that for awhile and what they don't tell you is that your vehicle loaded up with pkg's and you are expected to deliver them in a set time period regardless of circumstances like traffic,weather or if there is a screw up with the delivery address, and if your as little as a min late on a delivery you get dinged on your performance score and if your overall score falls below a minimum established limit you will get fired,roomate finally said screw it as it just wasn't worth it
I employed newspaper contractors in california in exactly the same manner for 32 years. I paid a flat rate daily deliver fee based on the # deliveries. I even paid a bonus for correctly completed deliveries. I found that this was the best way to get my deliveries done on a timely basis. I tried many other methods and found that the workers always found a way to circumvent the delivery and fail to make each delivery while still collecting their income. During deliver time I found them in restaurants, donut shops, bathrooms, home, sleeping in their cars and many other locations that prevented them from completing their jobs. The average work time was 2 hrs. per day which could be completed in 1.5 hrs. I felt like a baby sitter that was constantly having to supervise their every action to get the job done.
No one wants a job thats hard. People forget the American dream is fueled off a bit of edge.
I have a full-time job and work in the sales department. We have a designated receiving area for packages, but I always accept flex packages to make their life easier. It is a tough job in areas with heavy traffic.
Nobody asked
@@ghoster926 Nobody cares about airsoft
@@Sam-pc8ww I’m sure the drivers appreciate that.
Anyone who thinks this is a bad business practice should be appalled by the the dine-in restaurant industry. Amazon Flex, Lyft, and Uber clearly tell you that you're just a contractor - *not an employee* , and allow you to work at any time of the day, whenever you want to. Somehow, restaurants pay *below minimum wage* at $2.13 an hour(a legal loophole), *tips are not guaranteed* and *tables to serve are not guaranteed*. Even if you are not making any money, you are required to work the schedule and hours given to you. Also, most waiters are also required to pay a percentage of their tips to bussers and bartenders to compensate the employer's lack of compensation. Amazon Flex is a dream job for a side-hustler or a college student, stop trying to turn part-time jobs into full-time jobs.
employers are required to make up the difference if servers dont average min wage
Maybe waitiers should be paid 20cents per delivery to the table, gig economy style
just because theres something worse doesn't mean that it is good
RetosBeats The point is that there are jobs where you are actually employed with worst pay and more uncertain conditions than this contract job where you are not employed. These people who work at Amazon Flex and are complaining about the uncertainty and expenses of their job have the option of full time employment with UPS, USPS, or FedEx with competitive wages. However they keep working at Amazon anyways because the pay is too good and the job is too easy.
My state pays service workers actual minimum wage and everyone tips like normal.
Don't inform them that you're finishing early. If that continues, they'll just load you up with more packages or adjust the pay.
I downloaded the app and was thinking about doing this part time but after watching this I’m good. I’m not going to be exploited by amazon or any other company
Just work at FedEx, DHL, USPS, or Ups at this point.
UPS drivers top out at $37 right now, and you get a pension, PAID for health care, and of course a Union. I'm in the Hub and I make about a grand a week.
These flex driver probably are those who want the flexi time schedule and not work the full 8 hours.. high pay and less work. Yet so much complaints
@@sevenhenson3926 High pay my ass, I make more in 2 hours then a Flex driver makes in 8. Just for placing packages on a belt lmao.
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Same, I work in the hub and make around as much as you. Been there for 24 years though.
@@alex1vid PTer? I'm getting 65 hours right now, feels like peek. I know a 22 year FTer who's making 4k a week right now.
You can get a great job with your diploma/ged. Its all about working with what you got.. you can do it fam
It’s true! Especially the Omar guy in Richmond! He could easily sign up for a trade and be working within 6 months. NorCal is still rebuilding so the trades are booming right now!
King Bora Beats exactly I work for landscaping company during the summer and I get paid $20 and hour and I’m 19
Yup... people with a college degree can't find jobs in their fields and have a ridiculous amount of loan debt...
ups driver here high school diploma. paid vacation sick days 401k free health/dental coverage, free legal services, group insurance discount, 120k+ after 4th year.
@@michaelykwon keep it going bro! The motivation dont stop, get that generational wealth!
This company never ceases to amaze me, with its Innovation and taking things to the next level entirely when other companies sit on their hands.
Just remember people this is what you wanted, convenience and ease at any cost, this is the cost.
WE'RE not complaining....
I tried Amazon flex and it was horrible compared to food delivery apps. They give you like 40 different packages and you need to load and scan them in your car. When you reach a stop its usually a maze like apartment with no parking. You need to press all kinds of codes to get in and walk around the apartment complex looking for the apt #. The packages aren't organized you just have to dig through the 40 packages they give you. When theres no parking you need to park far away back and forth just to drop off 1 package. My shift was 5-8 but I didn't finish till 11pm because of all the walking. I've never worked so hard for $80. Was a horrible experience I'm pretty traumatized by it. 😖😖😖
Thanks for the info! Exactly what I'm not trying to do
USA where people decide that they can do stuff cheaper for big companies than any real competition could. Sounds right.
Well, they can, because they can choose not to insure themselves for all kinds of stuff, they dont need safety plans for themselves etc. And in this case, they can keep the costs down a lot by driving old cars. (and while maybe counting repairs as a cost, not counting the time to deal with that kind of things as a cost)
So basically its a way for the big companies to cut the cost by having the workers be self employed.
Until automation takes over, last mile is cheaper. The post office was heavily subsidized, and still is internationally, but domestically? The real costs are being passed on now.
@@antondegroot6061 they maybe could keep costs down this way yes, but mostly by sacrificing their own safety. Also not insuring yourself might save money in the short tearm, but the second they get a non minor injury they are screwed.
And to be honest. I don't think that most people that do this are clever enough to beforehand invest in a cheap old car to only use it for their deliveries. Most probably don't even have the money laying around to do so and just use the family car.
One of the ways the US was founded was on the backs of slaves. Hundreds of years of free labor can really kickstart a country, amiright?!
It’s almost like if you made labor organizing illegal you push huge insensitive to cut back wages and job security. If Jeff had tryed this in New York 20 years ago he’d find himself waking up Next to a Horse
AMAZON is a CROOK.
How hard is it for a Computer to Re-Organize the delivery/packages and Allocate it according to the Drivers' Suburban Residency.
Example: if Driver X lives in Suburb Z, the computer should allocate packages going to Suburb Z for Driver X.
@KsThrowBackGoGo lol ur just mad Amazon is a assembly line warehouse type deal . Literally no free time until ur breaks andlunches lol
A I You should apply for their programner positions.......
Elbert wants to remain anonymous but how many people are walking with that name Elbert 😂😂😂
I'm pretty sure his real name is Albert and thought changing the A to an E would be smart & no one would notice. Lol
I have worked for Amazon as a delivery driver. That lasted for 3 months. I then went to work for FedEx and was with them for 18 months. Now I work for myself and frankly I have looked at Flex. Wont do it. I wont try to deliver anything without people expecting me (doordash, Uber Eats, Grubhub, Postmates, etc) without proper uniform and markings. Even in NH its too dangerous for the driver. Not to mention the low pay and the high pressure from Amazon. I lasted only 3 months because of the ridiculous rules and pressure. There are more profitable "gigs" for drivers out there. Flex isn't it. Just my personal experience.
What other jobs are jobs?
Respect to these hard working people
Do you not think there might be something wrong with your society when you approach someone's house and worry you might get shot?
the UPS USPS AND FEDEX are laughing now.
Why here?
This man was so thoughtful. He should work directly for Amazon to Make this better. Amazon is the worst.
people buy so much useless junk its mind boggling
These workers rely on America buying useless things... so Keep ordering!
You sound broke.
alex1vid agreed man, i deliever so much useless crap
What does that have to do with this??🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@alex1vid what a dumb statement....who tf cares if you get paid for it?????????😩 what's wrong with you?
Amazon *sends more packages*
Amazon *needs to pay more for shipping*
What did they expect? Send double packages and pay less? ^^
Well actually it would be logical to expect the average price per package to go down with more total packages rather than up because it's in bulk
You people are volunteering to work hard for no money ... getting paid by what you do .. with no time frame..and using your car that u pay taxes for ...(Roads, gas , registration insurance, maintenance...) then undercut each other by working off the clock helping each other ...cray
1 year later:
1. Still no labeled clothing/vests
2. Still no way to know what route you’re signing up for or how far you’ll have to travel.
3. Still no $ help or bonuses for gas, car upkeep, etc for Flex Drivers
4. Deliveries for Flex drivers expand SO far that even after taking 3 hours to deliver packages, it can take another hour to get back home from where you had to deliver, all of which you’re not getting paid for.
Yup! I did one route and I’m done!