This is genius these picks are essentially simulating the key profile with the right technique you could probably simulate hundreds of different key profiles awesome picks!!
Nice looking pickset, will definitely add those to my Sparrow's collection. Also like how you've got a 90 degree twist on the other end of that tension wrench. I'm going to modify a couple of mine just like that, looks quite useful.
I've ordered mine. I'm a big fan of rocking movements, even with picks that aren't specifically meant for it. I've enjoyed your other pick designs which have gone into production, I think I have most if not all of them. I'll let you know how they go 😊 🍷
The rakes look great, and it's at a fine price too. The rocking motion is used quite effectively with the mountain/city rake, but it is just a single profile. I have to add that aggressively scrubbing with a rake isn't as common anymore, as there are more effective methods, including the rocking motion. For the lock choice, I feel most of them were very easy locks. I'd be more impressed if you could get it to work on a Corbin, Dom, or other better quality locks. (I understand this is my bias through the availability of locks.)
As I explained in , this technique isn’t going to be effective on locks with more extreme bittings, but most common locks out there are not things like DOM, EVVA etc. so they should be pretty effective over a wide range of locks seen most often.
hi, I have an apecs lock, after I lock picked it, it got stuck due to some pin. I can say that after half a turn more pins came out in a different place and if you press them all, the lock will spin a little more, but then it will get stuck, you can’t even insert the key. Can you help me understand what the problem is?
Love it! I dont really pick euro locks but if i ever start these would be on the list for sure. As an aside, what turning tool set are you using? I really like the look of them
Wow, what a coincidence. I just discovered the same technic just couple of days ago too when I was playing with the triple rake from sparrow and my newly made cutout lock. I was able to open locks with just the rake only (so no turning tool like in the video) by lifting pins before turning it (I guess somewhat like jiggler pick). I don’t have the Murder picks to test whether what I did also works on it, but if I could do it with just a regular triple peak rake I think it also work with the Murder picks. I thought I was genius when I found this technique on my own and I was planning to make my own rake for this, but I guess Lock Noob also found it and did it before me lol.
I don’t even exactly think I’m the first to ‘discover’ this technique, I’m sure by accident or design people must have been doing this for years, I just don’t think anyone has made a set quite like this for that purpose. If you get a set, let me know what you think!
@@LockNoob yeah, I will try to get it for christmas. I have a feeling that with that technique security pins can be nullified since you somewhat just try to mimic the key (like a tryout keys but only few rake to mimic all combination!). I'm quite new to lock sports but I'm having quite fun with this technique and I'm sure Murder rakes will make the techique easier.
Has anyone else tried polishing their picks? Use 2,500 or 5,000 grit polishing compound with a dremel to make the picks super slippery. I did it on a few picks and it made a huge difference. I will eventually take the time to polish the rest. The pick slides inside the lock effortlessly. No binding or hanging up. I can manipulate it twice as fast, i get better feedback enabling me to fairly easily pick basic security pins effortlessly just by raking and applying gentle pressure on the pins i feel sticking repeatedly until it opens. No wondering if its the pick sticking or the pin.
@@alfonsedente9679well, to be fair, if you’re just doing a demo you don’t want to be raking away for 2 or 3 minutes. It’s entirely possible to rake a lock with security pins and a lot of it will be as much about your tension control as it is about your raking technique with a little luck on the bitting. I used to do a job where I could legally pick locks to gain entry to properties and normally used rapid entry techniques like raking. When you encounter security pins, it’s often quicker to do a bit of hybrid picking and switch between a rake and a hook as you drop into false sets or to move pins that just don’t want to be raked.
I know Locknoob already responded, but he also showed in the video he got caught in a false set a couple of times (I.e. 8:41) which only really happens if you have security pins 😊
So, you've almost created a multi-peak pick to SPP with each of the peaks? Rather than popping pins into place using random bouts of kinetic energy through scrubbing, these picks are a little more proactive and intentional, MPP -- multi-pin picking? Seems more like the aggression of standard raking/scrubbing is "murder" and these are more "surgical." Ha! No consultancy fee charged if you change the product name. 😉
Or possibly think of it this way - crows are crafty little characters and wizards at problem solving their way into things. Naming this craftly little set "murder" would be paying homage and giving them hat tip. No idea how they came up with the name tho lol.
@LockNoob Just got them delivered, not had a chance to play yet but they feel like quality steel. The machining is perfect and the finishing needs no touching up whatsoever, perfect out of the packet. I love how the decals line up and the label on the packet says REDRUM 😂 Really impressed so far.
@@LockNoob Just had a play and got my first open on a none brand euro 6 pin with the high, high, low. Always get that rush with an open but this was sweet because I've always struggled with euro locks.
It's a shame postage is half of the cost of the picks. i would love some of these, although I am a complete noob. Kudos for the design, they seem to be great picks. Can we not buy direct from you at postage costs we are more familiar with in the UK?
If you buy from Canada, it’s not just postage, if they’re intercepted at the border there will also be additional tax to pay. yes, I speak from unpleasant experience. Ukbumpkeys usually get this stuff in stock eventually, there might just be a bit of a wait. You can always reach out to Chris and ask if he plans to stock them soon. He’s a pretty friendly guy and engages with customers quickly for the most part and if he gets enough queries he might just move them up the list.
I don’t think anyone is stopping anyone from copying anything, but I personally don’t participate in replicating my designs across multiple manufacturers as it doesn’t sit right with me
@@LockNoobthanks for the reply. The vast majority of my picks are Multipick so I was determining whether or not to hold off buying these from Sparrows if they were likely to be later released by Multipick. Thanks again 😊
Yo!! Lock Noob!! I'm trying not to be negative,or judgemental! I really like the looks of these rakes,and bet they are pretty awesome and useable!! But the name murder is a bit extreme!! It's very possible that people might not buy them,just because the word MURDER is etched out of the handle!🤔 I'd still like to try them out,but it might put a bit of negativity on locksport 😮
So, lockpicking is already associated with burglars, a bunch of picks with murder all over them, but no blackbirds to put it into context... Just looks cringy. "Hi! Im the Cringepicker, and welcome to my channel"
It’s a grind of blackbirds and a murder of crows. Blackbirds are a type of Thrush and have orange beaks. Crows are all black and are Corvids and are far more intelligent than Blackbirds. Yes, I know this is a little pedantic but if you’re going to be the self-appointed arbiter of cringe, I feel totally ok with it.
@@alfonsedente9679 Why do you think lockpicking is associated with burglars? If you are talking about movies, fair enough, but by that logic you might as well say all scientists are mad / evil and all spy’s act like they are James Bond. In real life most burglars are too lazy to learn lockpicking since it actually requires practice and skill and their real tools of choice are simple hand tools (I.e. prybar, hammer, screwdriver, a medium sized rock, etc.) but we don’t immediately associate those tools with criminals do we?
This is genius these picks are essentially simulating the key profile with the right technique you could probably simulate hundreds of different key profiles awesome picks!!
Yes, exactly!
Just ordered a set, very reasonably priced. I'll let you know how I get on with them. Thanks for the video.
I’d love to know how you get on with them!
I like the way Sparrows adds new products to their line. And I’m glad they collaborate with you.
Thank you!
Nice looking pickset, will definitely add those to my Sparrow's collection. Also like how you've got a 90 degree twist on the other end of that tension wrench. I'm going to modify a couple of mine just like that, looks quite useful.
Cool, thanks!
I go in to buy this set and all of a sudden ive spent $70 😅 thanks a lot 😂
Easy to do!!
I've ordered mine. I'm a big fan of rocking movements, even with picks that aren't specifically meant for it. I've enjoyed your other pick designs which have gone into production, I think I have most if not all of them. I'll let you know how they go 😊 🍷
The rakes look great, and it's at a fine price too. The rocking motion is used quite effectively with the mountain/city rake, but it is just a single profile. I have to add that aggressively scrubbing with a rake isn't as common anymore, as there are more effective methods, including the rocking motion. For the lock choice, I feel most of them were very easy locks. I'd be more impressed if you could get it to work on a Corbin, Dom, or other better quality locks. (I understand this is my bias through the availability of locks.)
As I explained in , this technique isn’t going to be effective on locks with more extreme bittings, but most common locks out there are not things like DOM, EVVA etc. so they should be pretty effective over a wide range of locks seen most often.
hi, I have an apecs lock, after I lock picked it, it got stuck due to some pin. I can say that after half a turn more pins came out in a different place and if you press them all, the lock will spin a little more, but then it will get stuck, you can’t even insert the key. Can you help me understand what the problem is?
Could it be a trap pin? What model is it?
@LockNoob Oh, i don't know, i think it's "apecs sm" model.
This is a very good idea, saves those poor keys pins too.
"There's murder on the Lock Noob Express"!
Lol
@@LockNoobChoo Choo
Nice looking rakes/picks, it really is different. I like the price, and I'm in the US so shipping is not an issue. Great review, thanks!
Thank you!
Love it! I dont really pick euro locks but if i ever start these would be on the list for sure.
As an aside, what turning tool set are you using? I really like the look of them
Oh it is a mix of all sorts, not a set, sorry. I think a couple are just from an old cheap Chinese pick set
Oh, and these work on all pin tumbler lock types, even padlocks
@@M3rlin257 yes, I'm always intrigued by the black turners and the flattened-ended wire turners.
Fantastic collaboration Ash mate great.
Set👍👊🇬🇧😎😊
Thank you Leon mate!
Wow, what a coincidence. I just discovered the same technic just couple of days ago too when I was playing with the triple rake from sparrow and my newly made cutout lock. I was able to open locks with just the rake only (so no turning tool like in the video) by lifting pins before turning it (I guess somewhat like jiggler pick). I don’t have the Murder picks to test whether what I did also works on it, but if I could do it with just a regular triple peak rake I think it also work with the Murder picks. I thought I was genius when I found this technique on my own and I was planning to make my own rake for this, but I guess Lock Noob also found it and did it before me lol.
I don’t even exactly think I’m the first to ‘discover’ this technique, I’m sure by accident or design people must have been doing this for years, I just don’t think anyone has made a set quite like this for that purpose. If you get a set, let me know what you think!
@@LockNoob yeah, I will try to get it for christmas. I have a feeling that with that technique security pins can be nullified since you somewhat just try to mimic the key (like a tryout keys but only few rake to mimic all combination!). I'm quite new to lock sports but I'm having quite fun with this technique and I'm sure Murder rakes will make the techique easier.
Has anyone else tried polishing their picks? Use 2,500 or 5,000 grit polishing compound with a dremel to make the picks super slippery. I did it on a few picks and it made a huge difference. I will eventually take the time to polish the rest. The pick slides inside the lock effortlessly. No binding or hanging up. I can manipulate it twice as fast, i get better feedback enabling me to fairly easily pick basic security pins effortlessly just by raking and applying gentle pressure on the pins i feel sticking repeatedly until it opens. No wondering if its the pick sticking or the pin.
Polishing picks can be really great
Ya but, does it work on something with security pins?
I mean, 90% of those locks had multiple spool pins including that ERA cutaway I showed
Oh ok cool, it just seemed a bit of a concern that the demonstration was used on namelesss cylinders, and commom master padlocks
@@alfonsedente9679well, to be fair, if you’re just doing a demo you don’t want to be raking away for 2 or 3 minutes. It’s entirely possible to rake a lock with security pins and a lot of it will be as much about your tension control as it is about your raking technique with a little luck on the bitting. I used to do a job where I could legally pick locks to gain entry to properties and normally used rapid entry techniques like raking. When you encounter security pins, it’s often quicker to do a bit of hybrid picking and switch between a rake and a hook as you drop into false sets or to move pins that just don’t want to be raked.
@@adamwest8711 i need to be convinced why this set is better than my go-to rakes if i am expected to buy it.
I know Locknoob already responded, but he also showed in the video he got caught in a false set a couple of times (I.e. 8:41) which only really happens if you have security pins 😊
So, you've almost created a multi-peak pick to SPP with each of the peaks? Rather than popping pins into place using random bouts of kinetic energy through scrubbing, these picks are a little more proactive and intentional, MPP -- multi-pin picking?
Seems more like the aggression of standard raking/scrubbing is "murder" and these are more "surgical." Ha!
No consultancy fee charged if you change the product name. 😉
Yeah, I was thinking it’s a style of picking that hasn’t been used coloured fully and needed some attention
@LockNoob love it!
Or possibly think of it this way - crows are crafty little characters and wizards at problem solving their way into things. Naming this craftly little set "murder" would be paying homage and giving them hat tip. No idea how they came up with the name tho lol.
Was that an American police siren in the background at 11:50 ?
If it was, I think there might be a slight jurisdiction issue 😅
@@LockNoob Quite possibly out of their realm, yes! Was I mistaken? Perhaps it came from telly
Sad to say I don’t see these on their Canadian website 😢
Maybe not yet. I bet they will be soon though
Just ordered but a tenner for postage is a bit rum.
Let me know what you think of them
@LockNoob Just got them delivered, not had a chance to play yet but they feel like quality steel. The machining is perfect and the finishing needs no touching up whatsoever, perfect out of the packet. I love how the decals line up and the label on the packet says REDRUM 😂 Really impressed so far.
@@LockNoob Just had a play and got my first open on a none brand euro 6 pin with the high, high, low. Always get that rush with an open but this was sweet because I've always struggled with euro locks.
Very nice and explained
Thank you!
Very cool Ash. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you 😊
It's a shame postage is half of the cost of the picks. i would love some of these, although I am a complete noob. Kudos for the design, they seem to be great picks. Can we not buy direct from you at postage costs we are more familiar with in the UK?
Have you tried the Sparrows Canada site? I’m not sure but I thought postage might be cheaper?
If you buy from Canada, it’s not just postage, if they’re intercepted at the border there will also be additional tax to pay. yes, I speak from unpleasant experience. Ukbumpkeys usually get this stuff in stock eventually, there might just be a bit of a wait. You can always reach out to Chris and ask if he plans to stock them soon. He’s a pretty friendly guy and engages with customers quickly for the most part and if he gets enough queries he might just move them up the list.
@@LockNoob unfortunately the cost is similar. I would like to support you and your channel, could you perhaps arrange for sales yourself?
Thats a really nice idea. Well done,
Thank you
Given that these are a new design, are they exclusive to Sparrows or will you be releasing them in collaboration with Multipick?
I don’t think anyone is stopping anyone from copying anything, but I personally don’t participate in replicating my designs across multiple manufacturers as it doesn’t sit right with me
@@LockNoobthanks for the reply. The vast majority of my picks are Multipick so I was determining whether or not to hold off buying these from Sparrows if they were likely to be later released by Multipick. Thanks again 😊
Very interesting looking set
Thank you!
Yo!! Lock Noob!! I'm trying not to be negative,or judgemental! I really like the looks of these rakes,and bet they are pretty awesome and useable!! But the name murder is a bit extreme!! It's very possible that people might not buy them,just because the word MURDER is etched out of the handle!🤔 I'd still like to try them out,but it might put a bit of negativity on locksport 😮
Sparrows needs to do better than this. That lettering looks like a blind child did it with a spork.
I care more about the working end of the picks tbh
@LockNoob So do I, but we'd be *paying* for the *entire* tool.
So, lockpicking is already associated with burglars, a bunch of picks with murder all over them, but no blackbirds to put it into context...
Just looks cringy.
"Hi! Im the Cringepicker, and welcome to my channel"
It’s a grind of blackbirds and a murder of crows. Blackbirds are a type of Thrush and have orange beaks. Crows are all black and are Corvids and are far more intelligent than Blackbirds. Yes, I know this is a little pedantic but if you’re going to be the self-appointed arbiter of cringe, I feel totally ok with it.
@adamwest8711 to funny, u deserve a thumbs-up
@@alfonsedente9679 Why do you think lockpicking is associated with burglars?
If you are talking about movies, fair enough, but by that logic you might as well say all scientists are mad / evil and all spy’s act like they are James Bond.
In real life most burglars are too lazy to learn lockpicking since it actually requires practice and skill and their real tools of choice are simple hand tools (I.e. prybar, hammer, screwdriver, a medium sized rock, etc.) but we don’t immediately associate those tools with criminals do we?
@@bear4278 take the xtra cromostone elsewhere, yer waaaay off base
@@alfonsedente9679 Woah, so you have Turner syndrome? That’s pretty cool and the locksport community is very welcoming of people with disabilities 😊