at 49:30 it almost looks like Bo's LITERALLY having the lightbulb moment that would lead to him writing Welcome to the Internet, can't get over how his face looks like he can already hear "anything and everything and anything and everything all of the time" in his head
I am thankful they happened to show the clip from Make Happy, but at 25:20 he is basically saying the lyrics from Welcome to the Internet 5 years before Inside. That blew my mind. I do agree I see that realization at that moment too, just he does seem to come back to that idea a lot in his work
I have a feeling he thinks comments like this are looking far too into things. This was 3 years ago, I doubt he was coming up with ideas for songs in his covid quarantine special.
Dude honestly I'm so SO happy for Bo. Meeting someone who isn't only one of his inspirations, but recounting in such a positive and productive way. Why is all this shit so under-rated Jesus. Bo Burnham, you're an absolutely gorgeous person. A genuine diamond in the rough. Rushkoff, you're a fucking genius and I love your work. God damn I'm happy for you
Ive come back to this enough where im just going to timestamp a few things "Douglas Rushkoff IS the Brad Pitt of Publishing"-BoBurnham TeamHuman! 0:00 8th grade 1:00 kayla 2:49 Uploading now 9:13 Helicopter view 13:14 VR 14:40 Time 18:00 Narritive collapse 21:40 Attention 30:48 The creative process 34:24 Race & Art (Effervescent Joy?) 41:20 I'm the problem 49:30 The current moment? (your joy is becoming no less settling) 57:41 Backwash Self Awareness 1:04:36 The "should" question 1:10:00 How is Bo? 1:15:00 Comedic integrity 1:22:16 Award system (YOU DID IT!) 1:28:07 Calling attention to the form (tummy stuff) "I say all these things as someone whos in love with culture, All I want is the next book from my favorite author or album from my favorite band" -Bo Burnham What a fun night -Me
Doiglas is a pidofile…sorry i had to be the one to say it. Is he involved in gym? Pe? Or other physical stuff? Look into it. PLEASE. this dude is creep.
20:40 you can see Bo getting agitated, clenching his fist, wanting to speak up but bites his tongue and silences himself. The interviewer obviously didn't take that car scene as a sexual assult scene when that's EXACTLY what it was. I think a lot of people don't see or understand the real life issue that this scene is portraying. And it happens to girls and women every single day and it's not okay. Harassment, gaslighting, and manipulative behaviour happens in this scene to the point she says sorry and feels guilty for not engaging in sexual acts at the age of 13. it's a horrifying realistic scene that bought me up in tears watching it. Bo did so well with portraying this in his movie, and the girl carrying on as normal not really learning or understanding what happened to her is just perfect perfect story telling. (obviously this can happen to men too but you know what I'm going at here)
@@sydneyririe8730 I'm glad there are other people out there that take this scene seriously too. Its manipulation, it's peer pressure, it's sexual harassment and assult.
Agreed. Sexual assault is seen in so many different ways and experienced by so many people every day, and it’s not always just through rape itself, it can be seen through manipulation and peer pressure (as seen in the film), through body shaming, through rumour spreading, and it’s especially from my experience of seeing things like that unfold and what I’ve seen friends go through, and trying to help and support through that, people completely ignore the fact that it isn’t just rape, there are other forms of sexual assault, but since they’re not seen as being as serious as rape they get glossed over as just “oh, it’s just boys being boys, or it’s just rumour spreading you see it all the time” and it’s like, yeah we do see it all the time, and that’s wrong. This is a daily persistent form of sexual assault, and it’s taking a huge toll on people’s mental health, but because it’s not a physical thing it’s not acknowledged, or at least not until it’s too late. Anyways, sorry for the rant ahah was just captivated by your comment. Have a nice day :D
@@thechroniclesofthesuperhob167 it's nice to hear someone else say it for once, I get tired of my own voice saying what you have said. Nice to have connection and understanding
Oh man I never noticed that he really does visibly get upset, like clenching his hands. I’ve seen him speak about that scene a LOT and be so passionate about it’s message I’m surprised he bit his tongue.
this is one of the most natural and compelling interviews i've ever had the pleasure of watching. i would honestly love to see both of these brilliant minds come together again; it's so refreshing to listen to conversations like this where they put everything out on the table and it's not side vs. side -- it's exploring the meaning behind all sides. putting things into perspective or not seeing them at all. i just think that's really fascinating and i'm incredibly thankful to have been the third virtual being at their table interaction.
There's a ton of things he mentions that show up in Inside: Deadpool's self awareness, young children with an ipad. You can really tell Bo cares deeply about the effect the internet has on people in general, a big theme in Inside.
@@Ottophil Have you considered that maybe that's not what I found interesting? Let me put it differently: It's very interesting to me that he didn't come up with many of the things in Inside while making the special, it's him refining and crystalizing some of the ideas he had swirling around in his brain for a while. This to me adds a sense of how genuine he is in his special, that we aren't just watching his stage persona and that there's a lot of "real" Bo in there. To make a special that doesn't only have running themes/narrative, AKA "fiction" but to also use it as a way to turn yourself inside out is really exceptional to me. True art in my opinion.
"this level of understanding of our world is R" that is such a profound and awfully real statement. God how far the human species has fallen if our own childhoods are too much to face. I hope the next social push is to process trauma. Its the source of all our problems and its so sad to see the degree of how afraid people are of facing that.
There's still debate though about whether Inside is fiction or not, in the same way he talks here about telling stories through the Bo Burnham character that aren't precisely his own experiences.
So many things he brought up in this i can see translated to inside. Vertical framed movies are shown in "FaceTime with my mom" and "white woman's Instagram" Ads and even DEADPOOL being self aware is a line in "that funny feeling" and the whole plot of "Welcome to rhe internet" was probably written after this interview. Im sure there's way more than those examples though. He's podcast when they "react to them" just all so good
1:33:24-- [they're describing what Douglas tries to express with his content] "Yeah, just [trying to express] words for a feeling that like... what I do think you're talking about a lot is tummy stuff... like even though it comes off much more heady on the surface, it's really about how it's registering in our stomachs" ME: THERRRREEEEE IT IS, THAT FUNNY FEELING. THAT FUNNY FEELING.
I want Bo and Douglas to come back for a second interview now, post-Inside and in the advent of TikTok fully monopolizing on children’s attention and self-imposed obligation to perform and post regularly. Especially now with new genres like “corecore” emerging that allow young people to express their relationship to this overstimulation and overload of media and disconnect from nature that they’ve now become self-aware of as accurately as possible.
really interesting commentary, but my brain can’t stop worrying about the glass of water and the edge of the table and the red bull on the corner just waiting to be knocked over
This was an absolutely inspiring and thoroughly insightful video. Even me as a 16 year old from Australia could understand and very much relate to many things discussed. I came originally to hear what Bo had to say purely because I think he speaks my sort of language and so eloquently too. But after sitting through the whole entire conversation I found Douglas had some incredibly insightful things to say too and I enjoyed listening to both of them together. This was great, I want commentary on Inside now!
1:28:37. 24 hr news treats politics like sports. there's a video of the old Vox series Strikethrough that discusses this with the focus on CNN. I def recommend it to anyone interested. it's about 10ish minutes I think so it isn't too long
This is a perfect interview Douglass. I love Bo and all his work but you interviewed in a way where you took a genuine interest in what he had to say rather than just waiting for your turn to speak (whilst looking at the questions on a piece of paper) loved it ❤
I could listen to these two talk for hours. Just listening to this single conversation btw them has illuminated so many thoughts & feelings I've had for years but never been able to put into words, and yet they were able to articulate those thoughts & feelings I've had so naturally. Could you imagine if they did another episode together talking about "Inside," the pandemic, Jan 6th, etc? My tortoise & I would both die. (My tortoise is a huge fan of Bo Burnham) 🐢💚
This was by far the best interview I've seen with Burnham. The sad thing about Inside, is that there was no "promotional touring" for lack of a better term. He's been nominated for 6 emmys and no one has heard anything from Bo except for the occational twitter posts and its a real bummer. I guess the we'll just have to wait until he makes history next month and he takes home all 6 of those awards! Should make for some interesting acceptance speeches at least :)
“Welcome to the internet Have a look around Anything that brain of yours can think of can be found We've got mountains of content Some better, some worse…” I feel like I found some better content today. I look forward to reading some of Douglas’s books. Good interview. Thank you!
"Eighth Grade is R because eighth grade is R" is such an brilliant insight. The human experience is more raw than could ever be put on film. The film version of an experience can only capture an approved version of that experience and the nature of that is what allows for analysis of a society through the films that it creates.
I like the part where Bo talks about finding the process of creating more rewarding than the response to the creation. It's horrifying, the idea that your entire sense of self-worth might be defined by whether or not people like what you make; and I think that fear turns a lot of people away from the act of creating something. Especially since it's so easy to experience art exclusively as a consumer. It's easy to forget who is on the other side of that piece of art until you actually are the one picking up the pencil or the paint brush or whatever.
You drink that red bull Bo! I'm also part of the generation they decided to get addicted to energy drinks. It's terrible but I've been drinking them everyday for 17 years.
Douglas Rushkoff is the host of the Team Human podcast and author of Team Human as well as a dozen other bestselling books on media, technology, and culture, including, Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus: How Growth Became the Enemy of Prosperity, Present Shock, Program or Be Programmed, Media Virus, and the novel Ecstasy Club. He is Professor of Media Theory and Digital Economics at CUNY/Queens. He wrote the graphic novels Aleister & Adolf, Testament, and A.D.D., and made the television documentaries Generation Like, Merchants of Cool, The Persuaders, and Digital Nation. He lives in New York, and lectures about media, society, and economics around the world.
such a compelling conversation. couldn’t help but feel like Douglas fell short when referencing the sexual assault scene // talking about kids using Snapchat for child pornography though? the performance comment was tone deaf
yeah i thought bo seemed like he was biting his tongue pretty hard there too and a bit uncomfortable but i think he didn’t want to get into it but i’ve seen him discuss it in other interviews and he sounds so distressed and scared for kids. i love rushkoff but i think he can be too flippant without thinking about it at times.
The way he's is using his own documentary subject is a lens I'm viewing this project through too. Only with TVMaxwell, another youtube personality, that fits Bo's description to a T. Max has been documenting himself and his inner thoughts since the dawn of youtube, he's literally grown before our eyes striving for comedic fame.
i wonder if noticing the dissonances between Bo and Douglas when it comes to intuitively understanding the inside internet culture and social politics of millenials< was also part of burnhams decision / curation decisions when creating "Inside". Noticing that what he has to say with his POV is NOT portrayed yet in this world, so it would NOT be redundant. That maybe gave him a personal permission to do the special in the way he did. It might be a very important interview, meeting one of your teachers and realizing you're not a student anymore.
There is also something fundamental about social media that no one addresses. It's the idea of treating complete strangers who represent themselves anonymously as "friends" and sharing every single aspect of your personal life with them. That's just absolutely insane to me.
To speak on the porn thing, it's not just men that go looking for porn at a young age. I feel that it devastates girls in a way that is rarely discussed. Being distracted with porn or having it give you false expectations always seems to be the conversation but really that's the conversation from the male perspective. I'm 34 years old and still have a lot of issues because of what I was exposed to at a young age, and the irony? I still go looking for it. I don't consider it as that portrayal that is wrong, I consider myself wrong. Even though I'm aware of it, I can't seem to change it.
I mean, I think it’s pretty clear Rushkoff is describing rather than espousing all that. But still, yeah, it speaks to Bo for naming that problem what it is.
The discovery process truly is still there, but it tends to be very micro in scale. My friend and I were on Discord discussing how Eric Andre seemed off in interviews some time before . We came to the narrative that he was so tripped up by his interview with Nardwuar that he just wanted to be something else. It doesn't make much sense and there isn't that much evidence, other than him wearing the same shirt in his Hot Ones and Larry King interview, in which he seems less confrontational than he had in prior interviews, but point being was that my friend and I felt like detectives solving a crime. The sense of discovery in todays world truly does not need to be one dimensional. Is it delusional? maybe. Did I have fun creating a conspiracy theory with my long time friend from far away? Absolutely. The record store is the internet and the way music and visual mediums combine under it can give absolute joy and hell, just depending on how you use it.
I feel like after watching “Inside” all of us are going around watching all of his old interviews and old specials 😂
It's true 😅
So true lol 100% me right now
I wish he would do an interview about inside...he probably won't tho
Yes
@@MikeCheckBiloxi this is pretty much it.
at 49:30 it almost looks like Bo's LITERALLY having the lightbulb moment that would lead to him writing Welcome to the Internet, can't get over how his face looks like he can already hear "anything and everything and anything and everything all of the time" in his head
I am thankful they happened to show the clip from Make Happy, but at 25:20 he is basically saying the lyrics from Welcome to the Internet 5 years before Inside. That blew my mind. I do agree I see that realization at that moment too, just he does seem to come back to that idea a lot in his work
1:23:10 "is the number green or red? .. green? You did it!" - Rushkoff said it! He inspired the bezos!
I have a feeling he thinks comments like this are looking far too into things. This was 3 years ago, I doubt he was coming up with ideas for songs in his covid quarantine special.
You can’t copyright titles. Writes All eyes on me
He actually say " everything and everything all of the time" in another interview about 8th grade.
This interview has less eye contact than any other human interaction ever, and I love it.
I feel like bo would be a great middle school / high school teacher. He reminds me of some great teachers that I've had
Agreed
Yeah
He'd 100% be protested against by idiot parents
Dude honestly I'm so SO happy for Bo. Meeting someone who isn't only one of his inspirations, but recounting in such a positive and productive way. Why is all this shit so under-rated Jesus. Bo Burnham, you're an absolutely gorgeous person. A genuine diamond in the rough. Rushkoff, you're a fucking genius and I love your work. God damn I'm happy for you
Ive come back to this enough where im just going to timestamp a few things
"Douglas Rushkoff IS the Brad Pitt of Publishing"-BoBurnham TeamHuman!
0:00 8th grade
1:00 kayla
2:49 Uploading now
9:13 Helicopter view
13:14 VR
14:40 Time
18:00 Narritive collapse
21:40 Attention
30:48 The creative process
34:24 Race & Art (Effervescent Joy?)
41:20 I'm the problem
49:30 The current moment? (your joy is becoming no less settling)
57:41 Backwash Self Awareness
1:04:36 The "should" question
1:10:00 How is Bo?
1:15:00 Comedic integrity
1:22:16 Award system (YOU DID IT!)
1:28:07 Calling attention to the form (tummy stuff)
"I say all these things as someone whos in love with culture, All I want is the next book from my favorite author or album from my favorite band" -Bo Burnham
What a fun night -Me
Thank you🙏🏾
“All there is is spin”
Doiglas is a pidofile…sorry i had to be the one to say it. Is he involved in gym? Pe? Or other physical stuff? Look into it. PLEASE. this dude is creep.
You’re weird man!
I hope this guy gets caught. Douglas is too creepy towards kids in this CONVO. (Youre fuckin weird man)
It was honestly so refreshing seeing Bo so in his element and relaxed.
20:40 you can see Bo getting agitated, clenching his fist, wanting to speak up but bites his tongue and silences himself. The interviewer obviously didn't take that car scene as a sexual assult scene when that's EXACTLY what it was. I think a lot of people don't see or understand the real life issue that this scene is portraying. And it happens to girls and women every single day and it's not okay. Harassment, gaslighting, and manipulative behaviour happens in this scene to the point she says sorry and feels guilty for not engaging in sexual acts at the age of 13. it's a horrifying realistic scene that bought me up in tears watching it. Bo did so well with portraying this in his movie, and the girl carrying on as normal not really learning or understanding what happened to her is just perfect perfect story telling. (obviously this can happen to men too but you know what I'm going at here)
I thought the same thing. To think nothing happened is to be removed from everything besides the textbook definition of rape...
@@sydneyririe8730 I'm glad there are other people out there that take this scene seriously too. Its manipulation, it's peer pressure, it's sexual harassment and assult.
Agreed. Sexual assault is seen in so many different ways and experienced by so many people every day, and it’s not always just through rape itself, it can be seen through manipulation and peer pressure (as seen in the film), through body shaming, through rumour spreading, and it’s especially from my experience of seeing things like that unfold and what I’ve seen friends go through, and trying to help and support through that, people completely ignore the fact that it isn’t just rape, there are other forms of sexual assault, but since they’re not seen as being as serious as rape they get glossed over as just “oh, it’s just boys being boys, or it’s just rumour spreading you see it all the time” and it’s like, yeah we do see it all the time, and that’s wrong. This is a daily persistent form of sexual assault, and it’s taking a huge toll on people’s mental health, but because it’s not a physical thing it’s not acknowledged, or at least not until it’s too late.
Anyways, sorry for the rant ahah was just captivated by your comment. Have a nice day :D
@@thechroniclesofthesuperhob167 it's nice to hear someone else say it for once, I get tired of my own voice saying what you have said. Nice to have connection and understanding
Oh man I never noticed that he really does visibly get upset, like clenching his hands. I’ve seen him speak about that scene a LOT and be so passionate about it’s message I’m surprised he bit his tongue.
this is one of the most natural and compelling interviews i've ever had the pleasure of watching. i would honestly love to see both of these brilliant minds come together again; it's so refreshing to listen to conversations like this where they put everything out on the table and it's not side vs. side -- it's exploring the meaning behind all sides. putting things into perspective or not seeing them at all. i just think that's really fascinating and i'm incredibly thankful to have been the third virtual being at their table interaction.
1:09:30 Bo talking about vertical frame movie, and here we are, he puts it in his Inside special
Hello there other person who is randomly here way too late
hello
There's a ton of things he mentions that show up in Inside: Deadpool's self awareness, young children with an ipad. You can really tell Bo cares deeply about the effect the internet has on people in general, a big theme in Inside.
Its almost as if he has ideas and remembers them
@@Ottophil Have you considered that maybe that's not what I found interesting? Let me put it differently: It's very interesting to me that he didn't come up with many of the things in Inside while making the special, it's him refining and crystalizing some of the ideas he had swirling around in his brain for a while. This to me adds a sense of how genuine he is in his special, that we aren't just watching his stage persona and that there's a lot of "real" Bo in there. To make a special that doesn't only have running themes/narrative, AKA "fiction" but to also use it as a way to turn yourself inside out is really exceptional to me. True art in my opinion.
I genuinely live for these intelligent Bo Burnham conversations. I'm back again 3 years later and it's just as compelling.
everytime i see bo next to a person i get reminded that he is 6'5
6’6 on a good day 🙃
47:10
"Apathy is a tragedy and boredom is a crime."
yup
This 👏🏻 Is 👏🏻Incredible 👏🏻
Please work together again 🙏🏻
Bo Burnham needs to write a book. So well spoken.
If youre really interested he has written a book, its called Egghead :)
love how Douglas started to wrap up with "I'll let you go" then they talked for another 30 minutes
Anybody also feels like Bo puts his glass and can of red bull waaaay on the edge of the table? LOL
The anxiety I got when he kept placing the glass right against the corner
@@gwinnellheald8592 it looks SO close to the edge. Oh man, thats unnerving
@@tonyabrookes9931 yeah 😂 once I noticed a it I couldn't look away
It's to frame the shots :)
It was so unnecessary 😩
"this level of understanding of our world is R" that is such a profound and awfully real statement. God how far the human species has fallen if our own childhoods are too much to face. I hope the next social push is to process trauma. Its the source of all our problems and its so sad to see the degree of how afraid people are of facing that.
I think it's more an indictment of the rating system and the religious right push against the arts that's been going on forever.
These two inform each other's work so commonly that Ruskoff should do commentary for INSIDE
"Caaan we be friends" AWWWWWWW
I loved that!
1:11:20
2021: Inside comes out
Me: are you SURE?
Yeah that's almost darkly funny like, woops, that didn't last long
There's still debate though about whether Inside is fiction or not, in the same way he talks here about telling stories through the Bo Burnham character that aren't precisely his own experiences.
We need a Part 2 to this convo now he has released Inside, please!
54:00 “you say the oceans rising like I give a sh*t”
I love how Bo just calls it out. “That’s white supremacy.” 😂🙌🏼
52:56 "How do I maintain control of my security force after the event" is such an insane sentence.
so glad he mentioned dfw's article
So many things he brought up in this i can see translated to inside. Vertical framed movies are shown in "FaceTime with my mom" and "white woman's Instagram" Ads and even DEADPOOL being self aware is a line in "that funny feeling" and the whole plot of "Welcome to rhe internet" was probably written after this interview. Im sure there's way more than those examples though. He's podcast when they "react to them" just all so good
love the way he says "oh I directed some people's specials" as if those people aren't CHRIS ROCK??
my iq has been raised
1:33:24-- [they're describing what Douglas tries to express with his content] "Yeah, just [trying to express] words for a feeling that like... what I do think you're talking about a lot is tummy stuff... like even though it comes off much more heady on the surface, it's really about how it's registering in our stomachs"
ME: THERRRREEEEE IT IS, THAT FUNNY FEELING. THAT FUNNY FEELING.
A separate video where Bo talks just about his creative process would be amazing
I want Bo and Douglas to come back for a second interview now, post-Inside and in the advent of TikTok fully monopolizing on children’s attention and self-imposed obligation to perform and post regularly. Especially now with new genres like “corecore” emerging that allow young people to express their relationship to this overstimulation and overload of media and disconnect from nature that they’ve now become self-aware of as accurately as possible.
just watched the whole video and I could sit for another hour enjoying you guys talk. thank you so much!
really interesting commentary, but my brain can’t stop worrying about the glass of water and the edge of the table and the red bull on the corner just waiting to be knocked over
Glad I'm not the only one 🤣
How does Douglas Rushkoff only having 3.29k subscribers make any sense? He’s gonna blow up soon with the right targeting to specific audiences
This was an absolutely inspiring and thoroughly insightful video. Even me as a 16 year old from Australia could understand and very much relate to many things discussed. I came originally to hear what Bo had to say purely because I think he speaks my sort of language and so eloquently too. But after sitting through the whole entire conversation I found Douglas had some incredibly insightful things to say too and I enjoyed listening to both of them together. This was great, I want commentary on Inside now!
I can’t wait till we get interviews like this about inside! I hope he does a few podcasts.
11:11 is exactly what he was saying in inside when he was like reacting to his reaction video of his reaction video
1:28:37. 24 hr news treats politics like sports. there's a video of the old Vox series Strikethrough that discusses this with the focus on CNN. I def recommend it to anyone interested. it's about 10ish minutes I think so it isn't too long
I don't know your profile picture and at this point I'm too afraid to ask
@@kaptainkarl7807 ...you know ;)
1:22:41 you’ll never leave the house if you worry about being a “hypocrite”
11:09 from Inside - "Self awareness doesn't absolve anyone of anything"
Showing vulnerability through expressing your hopes is far stronger than living in your fears and letting them control you
Bo fights his fears incredibly well which is why he's such a role model for me
26:10 "Mommy let you use her iPad, You were barely two"
omg I never realised his shirt changed during that continuity errors joke
This is a perfect interview Douglass. I love Bo and all his work but you interviewed in a way where you took a genuine interest in what he had to say rather than just waiting for your turn to speak (whilst looking at the questions on a piece of paper) loved it ❤
0:15 Post Modern? NO!
Bo Burnham breaks post-modern and goes to post-post-modern
Metamodern is the term you're looking for. Pivoting from the cynicism of post-modernism to the emotional earnestness of modernism.
I could listen to these two talk for hours. Just listening to this single conversation btw them has illuminated so many thoughts & feelings I've had for years but never been able to put into words, and yet they were able to articulate those thoughts & feelings I've had so naturally.
Could you imagine if they did another episode together talking about "Inside," the pandemic, Jan 6th, etc? My tortoise & I would both die. (My tortoise is a huge fan of Bo Burnham) 🐢💚
This interviewer asked really great questions
59:18 DEADPOOL’S SELF AWARENESS
This was by far the best interview I've seen with Burnham. The sad thing about Inside, is that there was no "promotional touring" for lack of a better term. He's been nominated for 6 emmys and no one has heard anything from Bo except for the occational twitter posts and its a real bummer. I guess the we'll just have to wait until he makes history next month and he takes home all 6 of those awards! Should make for some interesting acceptance speeches at least :)
"son of a bitch." -Me
3 emmys and a clip of him kissing the camera... Yup all is right with the world!
“Welcome to the internet
Have a look around
Anything that brain of yours can think of can be found
We've got mountains of content
Some better, some worse…” I feel like I found some better content today. I look forward to reading some of Douglas’s books. Good interview. Thank you!
"Eighth Grade is R because eighth grade is R" is such an brilliant insight. The human experience is more raw than could ever be put on film. The film version of an experience can only capture an approved version of that experience and the nature of that is what allows for analysis of a society through the films that it creates.
This was so interesting! Great job
im glad this was made
This was beautiful. Would you mind delighting us with a part II? please :)
I like the part where Bo talks about finding the process of creating more rewarding than the response to the creation. It's horrifying, the idea that your entire sense of self-worth might be defined by whether or not people like what you make; and I think that fear turns a lot of people away from the act of creating something. Especially since it's so easy to experience art exclusively as a consumer. It's easy to forget who is on the other side of that piece of art until you actually are the one picking up the pencil or the paint brush or whatever.
What a great interview!!
1:01:35 Bo puts the glass on the corner of the table and I spent the rest of the video waiting for him to accidentally knock it over. lol
LMAO he put it down so carefully 🥺
best foreplay I have ever seen.
Such a great interview, 2 hours passed by so fast
I'm having an existencial crisis while watching this OH MY GOD
1:01:47 but this was heartwarming
You drink that red bull Bo! I'm also part of the generation they decided to get addicted to energy drinks. It's terrible but I've been drinking them everyday for 17 years.
Douglas Rushkoff is the host of the Team Human podcast and author of Team Human as well as a dozen other bestselling books on media, technology, and culture, including, Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus: How Growth Became the Enemy of Prosperity, Present Shock, Program or Be Programmed, Media Virus, and the novel Ecstasy Club. He is Professor of Media Theory and Digital Economics at CUNY/Queens. He wrote the graphic novels Aleister & Adolf, Testament, and A.D.D., and made the television documentaries Generation Like, Merchants of Cool, The Persuaders, and Digital Nation. He lives in New York, and lectures about media, society, and economics around the world.
I cannot believe I found this.
I watched Inside by Bo Burnham and thought he must have been influenced by Douglas Rushkoff
I’ll be honest, I’m only here for bo, but this other dude is alright..
Mrs.Burnham69
Tru
Same
thank fuck i’m not the only one who feels this way i was like….. 😬
Thank you for posting 🌻
Bo is drinking a RedBull… 🎵 with the logo facing out 🎵
I loved this, this was awesome and so much fun.
I want to see Bo talk to Daniel Schmachtenberger and rip a wormhole through the fabric of space time via their shared intelligence.
Also Douglas and SB Kaufman would have maybe the most effusively positive yet substantive conversation I can envision.
Hey Doug I’ve been reading almost all you’ve written since media virus.
such a compelling conversation. couldn’t help but feel like Douglas fell short when referencing the sexual assault scene // talking about kids using Snapchat for child pornography though? the performance comment was tone deaf
yeah i thought bo seemed like
he was biting his tongue pretty hard there too and a bit uncomfortable but i think he didn’t want to get into it but i’ve seen him discuss it in other interviews and he sounds so distressed and scared for kids.
i love rushkoff but i think he can be too flippant without thinking about it at times.
The way he's is using his own documentary subject is a lens I'm viewing this project through too.
Only with TVMaxwell, another youtube personality, that fits Bo's description to a T. Max has been documenting himself and his inner thoughts since the dawn of youtube, he's literally grown before our eyes striving for comedic fame.
If you can live your life without an audience you should do it. Thats the goal.
But I think that audience can literally just be you. Like the person judging /responding to how you're living your life the most can be You.
@@claudiajade624 thats a good point Claudia
i wonder if noticing the dissonances between Bo and Douglas when it comes to intuitively understanding the inside internet culture and social politics of millenials< was also part of burnhams decision / curation decisions when creating "Inside". Noticing that what he has to say with his POV is NOT portrayed yet in this world, so it would NOT be redundant. That maybe gave him a personal permission to do the special in the way he did. It might be a very important interview, meeting one of your teachers and realizing you're not a student anymore.
Oh, past Bo. You're headed to ATL, and sadly I do not mean Atlanta.
Can't wait for the "who's here after Inside" comments
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24:14 Bo? is there something you want to tell us
45:50 Should I be joking at a time like this?
37:50 is the bridge of White Girl's Instagram
when the first movies came out people also thought they were real things happening, VR is the same imo
I fell so stupid just listening to these guys like if I was there i could never got into the conversation at all 😂😅
Honestly this makes me want to delete all social media.
Good stuff.
Team human, that's a controversial stance.
"vr swimming with whales and swimming with whales" did they put the kids in the VR in water? otherwise it is hard to believe. how interactive was it?
It depends how young the kids were I suppose ?
How did I not know about this lol
It wasn't brought to your attention.
There is also something fundamental about social media that no one addresses. It's the idea of treating complete strangers who represent themselves anonymously as "friends" and sharing every single aspect of your personal life with them. That's just absolutely insane to me.
41:00 bookmark.
NPR shoulda ran this
To speak on the porn thing, it's not just men that go looking for porn at a young age. I feel that it devastates girls in a way that is rarely discussed. Being distracted with porn or having it give you false expectations always seems to be the conversation but really that's the conversation from the male perspective. I'm 34 years old and still have a lot of issues because of what I was exposed to at a young age, and the irony? I still go looking for it. I don't consider it as that portrayal that is wrong, I consider myself wrong. Even though I'm aware of it, I can't seem to change it.
It always starts with boys (or men). Girls would have no conception, FACTS.
I want to be friends with all the people who look at and watch this content. I may have questions for you ;)
hello :)
@@fxntxsyyy Gravity Falls is pretty good show
@@lokingbob agreed
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"naked's pictures"
Screenagers
@42:01 *starts spouting racist rhetoric*
Viewers: 😳🤔
Bo: "...that's white supremacy"
I mean, I think it’s pretty clear Rushkoff is describing rather than espousing all that. But still, yeah, it speaks to Bo for naming that problem what it is.
yeah I had major issues with this statement too
such an uncomfortable topic
Not optimistic, but hopeful. Yep. This.
Douglas between thoughts is such an aggressive transparent buffer
Beautiful.
14:16 so what happens when kids watch vr movies
The discovery process truly is still there, but it tends to be very micro in scale. My friend and I were on Discord discussing how Eric Andre seemed off in interviews some time before . We came to the narrative that he was so tripped up by his interview with Nardwuar that he just wanted to be something else. It doesn't make much sense and there isn't that much evidence, other than him wearing the same shirt in his Hot Ones and Larry King interview, in which he seems less confrontational than he had in prior interviews, but point being was that my friend and I felt like detectives solving a crime. The sense of discovery in todays world truly does not need to be one dimensional. Is it delusional? maybe. Did I have fun creating a conspiracy theory with my long time friend from far away? Absolutely. The record store is the internet and the way music and visual mediums combine under it can give absolute joy and hell, just depending on how you use it.