Porsche 911 GT3 Manual v PDK: DRAG RACE
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Which is faster, a manual Porsche 911 GT3 or a Porsche 911 GT3 equipped with a PDK automatic gearbox?
Well, it’s time to find out! Mat and Yianni are lining up for another carwow drag race to see just how much performance difference there is when it comes to choosing either an automatic or manual gearbox in the new Porsche 911 GT3.
Apart from the gearbox, these two cars are almost identical. They’re both powered by a 4-litre naturally-aspirated flat-six, and they both put down 510hp and 470Nm of torque respectively. The manual is slightly lighter, though, tipping the scales at 1,418kg. With the PDK equipped, it comes in at 1,435kg.
So how will this play out… Will it be a clean sweep for the auto? Or could the manual win it?
There’s only one way to find out… LET’S RACE!
![PDK or Manual For My Porsche 911 GT3 [992]?](/img/n.gif)
Manual or PDK... Which would you choose? VOTE BELOW!
VOTE: Manual!
VOTE: PDK!
*MANUAL*
Manual
We need a race of the 765 with 296
Let's just appreciate the improvement in Mat's shifting
Flat shift on the manual gt3,s
about fucking time. his manual shifting has always been insanely painful to watch. can make a tea in the time it takes him to swap cogs
@@ricknick74 yep. Ferrari F40 also done MT shifting.
You’re right. After the 2nd race, I was ready to come here shout “please get professional drivers on the manual cars to ensure that the best possible performance is achieved”, even though I know that errors happen in manual shifting, even with the best drivers. But the rest of the races showed very nice shifting from him, so I changed my mind. He improved a lot and deserves recognition.
Channeling that feminine energy he has been developing.
I honestly think Mat lives his life one-quarter mile at a time.
... nah, family.
(Sorry)
“And you did too, that’s why we’re brothers”
I think I know that sentence
@@elchapo6367 El Chapo, RIP Ken Block. The Hoonigan Legend. He was dead in a snowmobile crash yesterday.
@@hafizdhiyaurrahmanyahya7841 i see what he actually did there.
I think Yianni is the only person who can consistently screw up an automatic transmission.....Latifi is his spirit animal
It is Goatifi, put some respect on it
yianni wishes he can become as good as the goat
@@macksauce77 may his Greatness forgive me
Which Yianni?
He's annoying
The fact that Mat was laughing even after losing says a lot about how fun manuals are. 😌
@MatwatsonSubah se mai he mila kya banane ke liye. 😀
Until you get to traffic lol.
Matt Toretto 😂
@@luisfermin608 nope. It makes even the traffic less boring.
Your doing a lot less thinking in automatic so every time your in traffic you’re convinced you have the right car and the longer you spend on it this more frustrated.
Manual you just thinking more so you have less time to be frustrated - imo humble opinion since I drive both variants.
@@KING0SISQO I drive my dad’s fiat 500, not a lot of power but that car’s still fun to drive, Never gets old. I remember yesterday kind of sort of racing a Tesla on the highway although tesla’s smoke any car. We were zooming across lanes on one stretch of road lol
The look on Yianni’s face when his car didn’t do all the driving for him 😂
Matt nailed the 3rd race. Closest anyone could get a manual to a PDK.
Manuel
True, most Mexican drivers wouldn't go near an automatic.
*picture of a Mexican with big hat*
@@MrJ-b1n or even an American in a Cowboy suit
@@sklveet3774 Manual u mean?
Drag races with Mat and Yianni are the funniest drag races ever!
Honest opinion. Normal GT3 running with Goodyear Eagle F1 tires. Gripper of the Goodyear Tires impressive. Some GT race mostly use Yokohama Tires.
It would be magical to watch them both in their own show.
@@djaborabiahmed4962 yeah. the purple GT3. Using the Goodyear Tires impressive as well. Most standard with Pirelli P Zero. But, most people using different Tires like Yokohama, Bridgestone, Goodyear and many more. Depending on driver's.
@FaridFauzan
That's great, except for the fact that it has nothing to do with what they are talking about…
agree, and the best always
Mat, I think you didnt amazingly well with the manual shifts, hats off. The competitiveness beween you and Yianni is hilarious!
I never get why Yianni acts like he has anything to do with winning in an automatic car with launch control 😂
@@CaptJofaz Right? A monkey who had learned to fully press the accelerator and hold the steering wheel straight would’ve achieved exactly the same result. That’s what makes AT cars boring and MT’s waaay better/funnier, even if the difference on the accelerations was 10x that (really small) gap.
You’re right. After the 2nd race, I was ready to come here shout “please get professional drivers on the manual cars to ensure that the best possible performance is achieved”, even though I know that errors happen in manual shifting, even with the best drivers. But the rest of the races showed very nice shifting from him, so I changed my mind. He improved a lot and deserves recognition.
@@CaptJofaz because he’s having fun
@@CaptJofaz he’s just having a blast and being a goon. It’s all for laughs.
Final drive is different between PDK and Manual
1st gear 3.75 3.75
2nd gear 2.38 2.38
3rd gear 1.72 1.72
4th gear 1.34 1.34
5th gear 1.11 1.08
6th gear 0.96 0.88
7th gear 0.84 -
Reverse gear 3.42 3.42
Total transmission ratio RA 3.97 3.76
For Mat to be THAT close on the final drag race in a manual, I won’t ever question his skill again (not that I did before, but still haha)
Fr the PDK is oneof the best gearboxes ever made
As an owner of a 992 GT3 Manual (non touring) who knows these cars very well: 1. Great 1/4 mile run in the manual. These cars take work to get below 12 seconds with a manual (I'm usually high 11s without a massive clutch dump launch, but with pretty spot on shifting). 2. The reason the touring manual might accelerate a little faster in gear is the weight difference (not just the manual being lighter, but also Mat being lighter...Fuel load also matters A LOT with these cars that have large 90 liter tanks, as they're pretty light and a full tank weighs around 150 lbs). So there could easily be a 200 lbs difference when you add up all these factors. That makes a big difference in these, whereas it would be less noticeable if racing in a Turbo S (for example). 3. On the brake front, the winged GT3 is one of the very best braking cars ever built. The difference could be tires, slightly better pedal modulation, or more aero downforce at the initial brake point of 100 mph (no real impact as you drop below 80 mph). Car has insane braking on warm Cup 2s. Great video. Thx for sharing. Drag race was actually closer than I thought. I know Mat has managed a 10.9 sec before in a PDK GT3, so these cars are surprisingly quick for only 510 hp. Obviously, you need a turbo S or GT2RS if you really want to go fast in a straight line.
I ain’t reading allat‼️🥵
@@sunilmann2337LMAOOOO
Good stuff Bert 👍
You just roasted Yanni in the most formal way possible. 👏🏻
Thanks bert for taking the time and sharing the information
Love when these two do videos together, it's like watching a bunch of mates have a great time doing stuff together
*SAVE THE MANUALS!!!*
It s not manual Its emanuel
@@МадиярЖетписбай-ч4е - Nah. 😄
Its more like save the engines now mate
Save the engines first
I like E-cars but if combustion, then definitely manual 👌
Mat, the quickest way to check if the 3rd gear is different on the two cars is to compare the revs at the same speed. In the video, at 8:36, the manual is doing 4000 rpm at 50 mph
What rpm is the PDK doing at 50 mph?
@@pilotplaying They didn't show it in the video, unless I missed it. Mat needs to buy a GT3 PDK to answer that...
technically they have the footage for the rev and speed of the gt3 pdk.
check from other yt channels, maybe the answer is there
From one of those 0-300kph videos, it looks like the 992 GT3 PDK reaches 91 mph at 8000 rpm, while the manual here is at 98 mph at 8000 rpm, so as expected the PDK has about a 7% shorter 3rd gear. Not sure why, maybe the lighter weight and reduced drivetrain losses, but the in-gear performance of the manual seems to exceed the PDK’s.
Would love to see them run to top speed and see if the wing actually creates that much drag, but good race over all Mat!! Top tier stuff
It doesn’t in factory mode. I’ve hit the advertised top speed on mine (199 mph / 320 km/h). Wing does create more drag in max downforce setting.
Seeing Mat and Yianni together just gives so much joy ❤️
YES! They really are the best duo 😂
Sounding kinda gay there, Matt 'n Yianni are straight guys for sure, now I am wondering and pondering on the......
@Matwatson.... you are going to die singing the same song dear Fakery
They are the best indeed. But the German guy is funny also when he gets mad in german
Porsches are on another level , master piece of engineering , love the manuals, and seeing Yianni and Mat racing .
Did you mean “engineering”?
Ingineer means ginger extract in my local language. : P
The hype is in the +10000 level! 😅
@@warlxrd5317 malayalli anno 😅
@@ajinpjseph4014 hehehehe. "nattil evdeya".
Yianni & matt is a true friendship story.
Like Shaggy and Scooby Doo??
I've watched CARWOW for a long time, and I am confident to say this was the best Matt and Yianni video together.
Seeing Mat and Yianni together is just
5:09 I've never seen Yianni this happy
Lmao
One of the truest pleasures in life is to bust your buddy’s 🥜 🔩 🌰 🎉
that part cracked me up, why is bro laughing like that 🤣
@IBadSportI bro I've been watching carwow for years now
Wow, Matt’s start with a manual was pretty impressive! Fair play.
Car has launch control….. actually very easy to use
@@anun1239 oh, I thought Matt said it didn’t in the video.
@@kane0508LCAC If you put 1st gear, clutch pedal down and floor the gas, it activates. That's why the rev limiter was higher than Neutral. The car also has hill assist that maintains your car still for roughly 3 seconds. You just have to drop the clutch enough to engage and the computer does the job. Except the gear changes, of course :)
5:09 - 5:26 was one of the most epic scenes yet!!!!!! Bloody loved the rollercoaster swing of emotions! And Yianni is absolutely full of energy and refreshing to watch! Can he be my friend too Mat? Ha! 🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁
"SAVE THE MANUALS", Matthew your face expression shows what pleasure is to drive manual, especially this piece of automobile industry! 👍 Good job with the gear changes. Try to not step off the throttle when shifting! 🙌
💯 I’ve been driving manual and only manuals for past 22 years
I’ve driven manuals since 1974, you can save the manuals all you want but it doesn’t belong in this car. It needs a PDK to eliminate it’s only weakness, low torque low in the power band. If you want to go slow in a manual get a 996 GT3
@@jimsteinway695 the GT3 is all about driver enjoyment, that's why the manual suits it so well, if you want all out track performance just get the RS model.
I am sorry to say that emissions regulations have killed the manual; which is the case in Europe. If you want a manual you will now have to look at older used cars.
Matt, do you know about the speed shifting function in the manual GT3s? You can keep the gas pedal floored while upshifting, the system matches the revs for you. This helps in acceleration races.
I hope he saw this
It also lets off a crack on upshifts - sounds epic with an exhaust on 🤤
@@NotionZayup I have grp and the shift pops and cracks are the best
No lift shift. Thought about that
So floored clutch and gas pedal at once?
Manual vs Automatic race comparisons are always so interesting. I wonder how DMO Deejay would've performed with his DSG style stick shifts 😆😁
Ultra fast manual shifts take a ton of skill and coordination. Anyone to drive an auto 😂
@@matteightytwo it's not that hard to shift fast. I would be neck and neck with m4 dct in my 2018 Camaro SS.
@@colin55594 1969 Camaro SS wanna say something.
He should do another and have DMO Deejay collab with him because that extreme arm waving shifting is comedic gold
@@colin55594 dct m3 vs Manual Camaro ss
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Mat i have a tip for the manual porsche. If you want to rev it up to 9000, just put in Neutral and step the clutch. The soft limiter would removed.
Doesn’t work on mine
@@simonbutton2055 try 1st gear. That could work
Race at 3:30
More races with manual cars, just like this one! ❤👍🏻
That touring is a piece of art. Love the subtle look.
3:46 my reaction when I've successfully reached my bed in the middle of the night after narrowingly escaping a demon.
That was a lot closer than I thought it would be. Great driving from Mat.
agreed, makes me realize that I'll be happy getting the manual.
This is the best Matt and Yianni video you'll find online.❤️
Great example of DCT vs Manual, Wing drag coefficiency, and tires compound vs suspension setup. Two identical GT3 with different wing angles, tires and suspension adjustment would have provided different results! Weight of driver, etc etc etc... You guys are fun to watch no need for empirical data LOL
It would be interesting if you logged the 60-130 and quarter time of each car as this takes out the guess work and is a good metric that is used elsewhere. Deffo has to be the manual in one of these as long as it’s a touring!
Yanni's face at 9:51 gives him 5 meters of advantage in brake test...Carwow no.1 rule!
😂😂😂
I had the same exact thought 😂😂😂 glad to see that other caught the face
😅
@@adnancandan5077 thats ridiculous.
@@bendajka Carwow nailed this.
You two are hysterical together, more videos like this please.
That 3rd race was very impressive. Matt drove the hell out of that bad boy to stay so close to the pdk
9:21 the gearing in the manual and the pdk is exactly the same until 5th gear - the manual has a longer 5th & 6th gear to account for the lack of the 7th gear (1.08 and 0.88 compared to 1.11, 0.96 and 0.84 in the pdk)
[9:22]
Top speed in 3rd gear manual: ~180kph
Top speed in 3rd gear PDK: ~170kph
Actually 1st-4th gear has the same gear ratio but the final drive is different in the manual which gives it a higher speed
I think Matt was revving it out for longer in the manual which gave him the extra momentum maybe?
@@Loz636 yeah probably
The results are exactly what I expected. A time of 11.4 seconds for a naturally aspirated engine is really amazing.
Depends on the weather conditions, the best time Mat managed to get from a 992gt3 on this channel was 10.8sec with a good traction start
well a laferrari can go low 9's, an f12 in the 10's, and 812 in the low 10's so its fine
@@irtiza4262 a la ferrari is hybrid tho
@@recipoldinasty oh yeah, my bad
Those Yianni's agressive looks at Matt while racing are so funny XD
6:49 Hitting the redline just gave me an eargasm, i absolutely adore Porsches.
I love watching Mat and Yianni together in Carwow videos 😂
I've been watching Mat drag race since 2017, yet I've never laughed this long, or loud, on any of his other videos. Great fun!!
I can't help but love watching Yianni win!
Yianni has really good taste in watches. That Sky-Dweller is stunning.
Money doesn't buy taste.
More impressive when you're on a tight budget
@@MrMuz99 But it does buy extremely nice watches lol. He could be wearing some donkey Hublots, but that is the most complex Rolex you can buy.
@Attila Szolnoki - That doesn't make it any less ostentatious, the thing is 20k.... for a watch.
@@MrMuz99 Id rather pay 20k for a watch than like 2k or 3k for pair of shoes like some people do dude, remember, watches can also become long term investments
Whether we are talking about PDK´s or manual gearboxes, Porsche is absolutely impressive and almost unbeatable i would say. This manual gearbox is an absolute finess... 👌👏💯
Seeing Yianni and Mat together just gives so much fun♥️
This also shows how great the manual gearbox is :)
Both gearboxes have the same gear ratios up until 5th and 6th gear, where the PDK has shorter gears than the manual, which means that the difference should be see at the top end. Maybe what affected the rolling race at 50mph might have been Yianni's reaction time or just the aero on the GT3 with the big wing in the back.
That was some great shifting from Matt
Does it have no lift shift?
@@richardtsutsa6172 no clue tbh
@@richardtsutsa6172 pretty sure that it comes with the auto blip function, yes
You can see the manual dropping back on the gear change at 7.33 but also read in the comments that it has a setting for keeping the foot down while changing. Would take either car in a heartbeat. Great vid .
These 2 folks are really good entertainers! Always fun to watch :D
Hi Matt, love the videos keep them coming, I have the manual model (so yes your right it is the best choice) and it does also have a launch control to get it off the line better (not that yours was bad!) and a flat shift function so you can keep the throttle flat while shifting up & down the box, it’s in the Porsche owners book, best manual I’ve ever driven!
I had the same 'Telegram Me' message on my comment - is it Legitimate?
@@Timboo1971 No it is not. It's spam.
@@Timboo1971 99% certain it’s a scam, my son said he seems to get them a lot when commenting on other vid’s like TGE’s.
Sweet gear changing mat, the brake test would have been different if you shifted down mat. As with the auto it will downshift whilst braking.
Brake test on the automatic is better as it shifts down (engine braking).
Matt did not shift down in the manual.
And the GT3 got Carbon-Ceramics while the Touring is specced with steel brakes!
That big wing on the back of the PDK version certainly added a lot of drag. I heard someone describe the Senna's wing as a giant parachute. It also helped on the braking for sure.
5:21 has to be the most interesting bit of this whole video
You guys could have just checked the starting rpm in the various roll races, the point could also be that maybe the 3rd in the manual is longer so you shift later into 4th then the pdk so you keep pulling while the pdk has to shift, which happens really fast but takes a few milliseconds either way. Could also be an aerodynamic factor in there but I'm not sure, would have been interesting to see a full mile development with trap speeds
Love the touring model.
Less parasitic loss in a manual too
Parasitic loss? Please elaborate. I'm curious about that.
@@pokest225 Less drivetrain loss, less interference.
@@Axxetto is there any more drivetrain loss in a pdk than in a manual? It's not the pdk a robotized manual in reality?
@@pokest225 I believe it applies more in regular automatic transmissions. And you are right, I don't think it makes a difference in dual clutch gearboxes like the pdk
@Axxetto the manual has less moving parts. It's lighter. Driven properly a manual is as quick as a dual clutch
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Nice! Good changes from the 6 speed manual.
Wish 7-Speed MT was here too.
The rivalry is so hilarious😂😂 I’m genuinely in tears
I was about ask if Yianni can drive manual, then I saw that first race and didn’t even need to ask 😂
Manual with a wing all day.
Love the video lads keep them coming.
GT3 Touring with a PDK all day for me. I have a 981 Cayman with PDK and sports steering wheel (with proper shifting paddles) and it's great for daily driving ánd for fun driving in manual mode.
I thought manuals would give a smile to the driver how the hell is yianni smiling to the finish line and matt looking so serious🤣
Yep. Overly serious in fact.
I think it has to do with the level of engagement with each car. In the manual, Mat is fully connected with the car's revs, gear change, and the road. So he's in full concentration there, I think. The PDK allows you to relax a bit because the tranny takes care of the shifting work (most of it)
sometimes people who like cars just enjoy the car rather than being pretentious about whether the car is manual or auto 🤷🤷🤷
It’s the power of loosing 😂😂
That was way closer than I thought it would be
nice gearchanges matt , to almost match the pdk gearbox was amazing , we never can match electronics really when they work properly
8:58 If disappointment had a face
GT3 manual speed at 9000 RPM :
Gear, Speed (km/h)
1: 86
2: 135
3: 188
4: 241
5: 299
6: 367
GT3 PDK speed at 9000 RPM :
Gear, Speed km/h
1: 82
2: 129
3: 178
4: 228
5: 276
6: 319
7: 364
Matt’s gear shifts are way better now 😃…
Videos are always much more fun to watch when it’s Matt and Yianni!
The Goodyear Eagle F1 is an insane tyre, we have it on our S3 and it just grips and when it doesn't, its so easy to control and correct slides even when wet, top tyre!!
he won because of the Carbon-Ceramic brakes. The Touring is on steel brakes
@@niklastp09 Nope, they have the same brakes (see @09:42). You can get black calipers on your ceramic brakes in de Porsche Exklusiv program, so colour says nothing.
Astonishing what porche has achieved with their manual. To be that close to a PDK which is the best in the business means that the manual is a masterpiece. Wow, amazing.
Love the show. Always the best when Yianni joins in.
Drag races with Yianni are so much more fun than normal ones.
No, they really aren’t.
This one had me smiling. The bants between these two haha and its good to see Matt slamming gears in a manual. You dont see it often!
You did great Matt !!! You should have switched cars with Yani to see who’s the best at manual gear changes! 😊
The videos with Yianni are the funniest and the best to watch
The look that Yianni has during the brake test at 9:51 made my day.
Are you flat shifting in the gt3 touring? Since the 991.2 gen Porsche has added that as a feature in manual GT3s where the ECU cuts the power automatically if you have the gas pedal depressed and clutch pedal depressed at the same time between shifts.
You mean pressed not depressed right?
@@janneshildebrandt1 no
@@janneshildebrandt1 "depress brake pedal to start engine"
I wasn't expecting the manual to be that close to the PDK
If i somehow, one day, find myself rich enough to afford a GT3, I would definitely, absolutely get the manual!
Then again the pdk has the wing and the drag is there but yeah the manual is impressive
The manual absolutely sucks. Porsche have been declining on sticks since the 959
@@6ft7guy Weird, sucks in what way?
I've never driven one thus I am asking
Yianni just makes every carwow video better lol. His and mat competitive nature towards each other really helps the flow of the episode.
This video gives the best explanation or importance on gearing in a vehicle we can see the difference whether it’s a manual or automatic
Every time I see @Yiannimize in this channel it’s more fun and exciting ❤.
This one was very entertaining. Love the banter between Yianni and Mat 😂
Great shifting Matt, the gap would have been bigger had it not have been for your quick manual shifts! Well done.
Also have to factor into consideration the manual will be a bit lighter as the PDK gearbox is heavier. So this probably explains the roll-on race results, combined with the different gear ratios.
I am convinced that Matt is the sidekick now. Yianni needs to be in every episode.
I think half the viewers would stop watching then, I would! Can’t stand him.
@@marksapollo agreed
These two have the best chemistry on youtube!
Only 0,1 s difference in the quarter mile speaks for an amazing performance by both Matt and the car.
Fair play to Matt, he's got some good knob handling skills close race! 😅
Bro what 😂
Did you keep the accelerator pushed down when changing gear on the manual - gt3s have a sweet trick where you don’t need to lift off the accelerator when changing gear (might have made up the difference 👀)
Such a good watch, what a duo these two are 😂😂
My preference is always for manual transmission. My dream Car, currently!
Regarding the Brake Test, I did expect the PDK version to win, because the Gearbox would downshift during the hard braking, so it would have assisted with the braking distance?
The first 4 gear ratios are the same between the PDK and manual. The manual however has a 3.76 final drive ratio compared to the PDK’s 3.97. Long story short 3rd gear in the manual will go slightly faster than in the PDK.
I think Matt and Yanni should do their own version of Top Gear because their chemistry between them is awesome and quite entertaining.
Yanni is so competitive 😂
Manual is perfect
Yanni knows nothing about cars. Just cares about the looks.
And if it’s expensive.
@@marksapollo indeed, I meant how people look at him and if they think he has money. That's why he leases Lamborghinis to drive around London.
@@nicksokolis6343 Didn't know he leases them, but that makes sense as for Yianni it's PURELY about the image.
It’s 2023 and we’re still waiting for the these boys bike race! Happy New Year!
Two small boys with toys. You can't but love it.