20 Minutes With A Toyota CH R Hybrid
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2017
- Today Kate and I test the new Toyota CH-R Hybrid, the latest addition to the hybrid fleet fitted with a more refined version of the HSD fitted to the Prius. A great looking car with amazing build quality throughout, here is what we thought.
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I have just purchased a CH-R and the way you are driving this is best saved for a sports car and one can see that from the way you accelerated from the cars behind you. I have consistently got 55ish with mixed driving to include motorway at 75mph. The point is that if you drive any other petrol automatic in mixed driving you will be lucky to get 35mpg. The car is very comfortable with good handling and handles pot holes and speed bumps very well. The auto is not great with regard noise which is out of sink and occurs before acceleration, but I think you have missed the point as to why most people buy this car
I've watched some of your videos and my conclusions is always the same: you gusy don't don't how to drive economically and thus don't know how to drive an hybrid. If you expect it to be in EV like your Tesla, then you're off to a bad start. HYbrids must be driven gently, both accelerating and braking, for maximizing their potential. You complain about all regular hybrids when in reality it is you who doesn't understand how they work and what they're supposed to do. They're not even plug-in hybrids, let lone EVs. You go into these reviews with an EV mindset and that's why every regular hybrid is shitty for you. Learn how to drive gently and you'll see you can make a lot more out of them.
The problem is in the "we drive like real people". Well, guess what, most real people have to relearn how to drive economically when switching to a hybrid, otherwise they'll get no benefit from the eletric part. You guys still haven't learnt, so don't complain when part of it is your fault. Go back to reviewing EVs, you can smash the trottle as agressively as you want in those without messing up MPG.
Good review James and Kate, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks
These two don’t know how to drive a hybrid. I have no trouble getting low 70 mpg on a run in my C-HR.
Hi I’m interested in buying one of these but I’m concerned about mpg.... I’m a guy that drives 30k per year all types of roads .... do you think I should get over 50 mpg
You pair haven't a clue ...I own this vehicle and get 62 mpg without trying
@@michaelhill3857 I have no problem with 60 mpg and above
An old video I know but they're driving this like the young friendly salesman at my local Toyota dealer did....wrong. It takes a while (a lot longer than a couple of hours) to get to grips with how to use the hybrid system effectively. I can do a 40 miles trip and get over 74mpg. I get over 500 miles to a tank that only holds 43ltrs.
You turned off the Lane Assist because the car was trying to tell you that you were crossing the lanes??
An easy fix is, instead of turning off a safety feature you should just try to stay in your lane.
It's not rocket science.
Otherwise it was a good review.
yeah fair point, but it properly was annoying.
awesome review guys..
Thanks for your honesty
ricky finlay it may seem a harsh review, but it's only our opinion. We genuinely wanted to like this car.
BTW, you do not WANT a small engine turbo-charged. Turbos add complexity and raise the price of any repairs and maintenance you do to the engine. I'd paid MORE to get a larger, non-trubo engine any day.
For reliability I agree, but they're almost exactly the same BHP and 45kg less :-/ I think it needs to be at least a plug-in to make it work
I've had Turbo Diesel for over 10 years and never had a problem. Scheduled maintenance.
Great video
barumxxy thank you 😊
I am 1,85 and i fit perfectly in the back seats.. better do not comment at all
Great vid as always guys. I loved the cvt gearbox in my old Honda Jazz :-) JBL sound system? I ticked that option with my Smart Cabrio 8 speakers including a demountable subwoofer in the boot :-)
Glad you liked it... And the Stereo is great, real top notch. In a Smart that would blow your head off :-))))
Thanks for the informative video :)
I have been driving a hybrid Auris (2013 spec) for three and a half years now, and I must say that it takes some time to get used to driving a hybrid for getting the low fuel consumption it promises. In the video, you seem to push the pedal quite hard, maybe to compare acceleration with an ordinary petrol car. I think that a hybrid should not be driven like that. I completely agree that the engine makes more noise than you get speed for it in return, but still, a hybrid is not meant to be driven like a normal petrol car. You accelerate gently (not like your grandmother maybe would, though), you coast where possible and you brake very early to take maximum advantage of the regenarative braking.
For example, when I approach a junction with a red light, and traffic is light, I start coasting about 250-300 metres before. Then I try to start braking early, so the needle of the power meter gets as close to maximum regeneration, but try to not brake harder than that. Then, the fuel consumption is 0 (zero) for 300 metres.
It will never be a fast car, let alone a sporty one. Just a great and reliable cruiser, fully loaded with kit. I wish it would have a bigger electric motor, or even be a PHEV.
I actually am considering the C-HR as my next car, as I think that it a terrific deal if you love great reliability, weird styling and the same driving characteristics as any Toyota hybrid.
For your information, with my driving style trying to get a good fuel consumption, I am getting 4-4.5 L/100 km in summer, and 5-5.5 L/100 km in winter. That's 58-52 and 47-42 mpg, respectively.
darkknight8139 I have just bought the hybrid and it's nothing like this review I'm getting at least 64 MPG with normal driving I can drive on the motorway at 70 mph in ev mode as long as its flat or if a slight decline you can coast at 70 and regen at the same time.
They said that when you hit 10 mph the engine starts I've not found that happens with hybrids you drive then slightly different and haven't got to be heavy on the peddle. As for the breaks as long as your driving above 5 mph it uses regen when you hit the brakes and only uses the brakes to actually stop unless you hid the brakes hard. Hope this helps you decide.
Thank you for the nice review! As always a good vid.
Thank you :-)
You guys need to learn how to drive a hybrid.. it takes some skills to use the battery as much as possible.
Yes, there is a special approach to driving a hybrid: no useless acceleration, no useless braking other than the right amount which provides the best possible regeneration when slowing down becomes inevitable.
I realize this is off topic, but do you have the Chevy Volt in GB? We are not prepared to go fully EV as charging locations are not common around here in the states and feel it would be a good compromise car.
We do have it, and it's not a bad car at all. It is however very steep in price and honestly I would opt for a cheaper PHEV or a i3 REX.
Hi Kate and James - thanks for the videos, I enjoy your reviews. I have a 30kw Leaf and after hearing your various comments about the effectiveness of the re-gen in different cars - is re-gen hardware or software controlled ? I was wondering whether the re-gen on the Leaf could be increased ? Dave N
Regen is less efficient than putting it into neutral and letting it coast to a stop.
Hi Dave,
Regen is both hardware and software controlled. First of all you need a motor to generate a desired amount of regen, which the Leaf does have, and inverter to cope with this as it generates heat and a battery capable of taking the energy flow. but also it's programmed by software to not exceed a certain amount to protect these various components. Unfortunately the Leaf only has two options as far as I know, D and B and it would need a change to the software to alter this. The new Leaf has far more aggressive regen though. As m1aws pointed out, coasting to a stop is more efficient, but it seldom works where this happens. the minute you apply friction braking you are at a loss. Regen can recuperate up to 20% of the kinetic energy used in the acceleration phase. Hope this helps :-)
Thanks very much for the info - just what I wanted to know. I had quick test drive in a Model S recently - drive and ride very good but was disappointed not to be able to try out autopilot as staff said it was not fully functional due to upgrade in progress. Really wanted to test autopilot as a Model 3 might be on the cards !!
Hey Ho !!! Thanks again for the videos !!
David Nicholson I would have expected the dealership to offer you a drive In a AP1 car to demonstrate it functionality, it is amazing. If you're ever passing, come and drive ours 😊👍🏻
James and Kate Thanks for the kind offer but I prob won't be able to take you up on it as I live in the Huddersfield area. 😉👍
The JBL audio is an upgrade on the dynamic I think standard on the excel version.
The rubber band (delay) on accel goes away if you run in on "Sport Mode" it defaults to eco everytime you turn the car off tho.
No it doesnt I have one and it stays on whatever you set it to, mine is set to Normal and it stays on that setting even after turning the car off.
4:51 I have the same felling about the screen's that are appearing on new cars MX5 for example I wish they would make them retractable.
John Woolley absolutely, it seems like a new fad that the manufacturers are going through.
I would love to get you guys opinion on a Volkswagen eGolf. We are currently thinking about it as a commuter car and slow down the miles on the leased Volvo we have.
Terry we've been in touch with our local dealer about test driving the eGolf, but they couldn't get their hands on one! We'll keep trying!
Thank you. I'm hoping it will score some points with you. I told my spouse that if I cannot have this car that I would go buy a vintage VW bus and convert it to EV and he cringed at the thought.
My next plan is to test drive the pure 1.2 petrol version with 4 wd if I can get the dealer to get one. That engine has good reviews. Everyone is crazy about hybrids in Sweden though.
Another great honest review. You nailed it regarding the power train. It's also in the Auris, Lexus CT 200h, and Prius. 1.8 Atkinson cycle engine with low torque, combined with CVT and partial EV assistance not good. The stereo would be on to cover the noise.In the Toyota Owners Forum UK, the hybrid performance has been described as too weak. The 1.2 turbo is the better engine to have. There's mention of adding a plug-in version. I would buy the far cheaper hybrid Hyundai Ioniq over the CHR. That's coming from a Toyota owner! An EV Ioniq is about same price.Keep up the good work 👍
You're spot on there, I would do the same. The IONIQ is a great car. The CH-R with a plug would be interesting though :-)
Be interesting to see you review the 2020 version.
Another great video, thank you! You both seemed genuinely disappointed that the car didn't meet your expectations. But think of it this way; a rolling 6/7 year design, plan and build cycle for manufacturers with technology moving so fast means we need a Silicon Valley mind set to move things on in this archaic industry.
Not that anyone from the Valley would be daft enough to enter this industry... or the space industry.
Thats a fair point actually that I didn't consider. I know this car has been on the table for 4 years. I still wished they offered it at least as a plug-in. Would have been amazing.
I don't think Toyota have been sitting on their hands though publically they have been "Hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen". Though perhaps someone should have mentioned that Methane has an even higher energy density prior to Mr Musk stating that in a press conference some time ago...
If you turn things around, look at the secrecy surrounding Apple product launches, I'm guessing the Motor Industry will start to adopt that mentality from now.
Expect a groundbreaking EV from Toyota. I'm confident they won't let us, or the planet, down.
Phil Atkinson I hope you're right, and if their past reliability is anything to go by it will be amazing. I hope they drop that hybrid system too
Just a slight correction the JBL upgrade is not included with the Excel it is part of an upgrade with the leather seats. Your driving experience seems to have been different to mine. The throttle response you were getting makes me wonder if you were in Economy mode. There are three driving modes Economy. Normal and Sport which oddly there isn't a button for - you have to go through the onscreen settings. I totally get your comments coming from an EV. . I wish a pure EV was an option for me but being in an apartment block I have no home charging options.
Garry Whittaker hi Garry, cheers for the heads up there on the JBL, my mistake. I did try the different modes but was r massively impressed tbh but that's just me. Fingers crossed, this as an EV would be fantastic 👍🏻
James and Kate No worries on the JBL the options are really confusing. I really do hope they go full EV. Strong rumours of plug-in hybrid version at some point. love your reviews. Keep them up.
Garry Whittaker thanks 😊👍🏻
Garry Whittaker
Leather seats are now standard on excel
@1:48 nice mimic of kate there James lol.
Its a shame its a hybrid and not a full EV, in the flesh they are cracking looking cars i pass a local toyota dealer regularly and see one on the window its nice.
I'm desperate to drive a Leaf so might ask my local dealer for an extended test drive, are they usually ok when you ask for a few days test drive??
It really is a looker, and a real shame it doesn't come in pure ev or plug-in.
Nissan are excellent for extended test drives, 4 days at the moment shouldn't be an issue. Let us know how it goes :-)
Love the look of the CH-R but would probably go for the petrol rather than the hybrid. Couldn't have a full electric car as no parking near the house so no plug in for one.
And to think that the C-HR in the US and Canada comes standard with an 2.0L engine.
How does the JBL setup compare with the Bose setup in the Leaf?
Hi bud, it's good, really good. Originally I thought the JBL was on top but it's not, The BOSE in the Leaf is better.
James and Kate Haha okay, so really not much going for this then. I do love the look of it, so it is a shame Toyota haven't bitten the bullet yet and gone for a full electric
iKaGe01 completely agree with you on that. They really need to follow suit
Interesting what you say about sales because I live literally round the corner from the main Toyota Dealer in Warrington and can confirm they seem to be selling very well. Transporters loaded with these seem to be turning up every other day. My theory is people do like the high driving position of a crossover hence the success of the Qashqai and this enables a potential Prius driver to get that. They have filled a bit of gap. Agree on CVT gear boxes - drove a Jazz with one and it seemed slow and noisy - manual much better.
Ye ah it is a great looking car and the finish inside is fantastic. But as you said, I just wouldn't manage with that CVT gearbox.
A friend test drove one - hated the hybrid system, loved the looks. It will sell on looks alone though. I think the 1.2 petrol may be a better car and possibly not use any more fuel. He test drove a Zoe out of interest and loved it (and the instant throttle response) but.....he wanted a bigger car and bought a year old Passat diesel (aaaaarghh!). I'm not sure the new generation of engines improve fuel consumption other than in the lab. My ten year old petrol Megane CC gives me 40+ mpg (in line with official figures) but anecdotally people get nothing like the official figures out of newer cars. Oh and the Zoe arrives on the first (next Wednesday).
I agree, lab test are exactly that... and the NEDC... why it's even still mentioned is beyond me. The Zoe... you must be excited :-)
I saw the car on Monday when I went in to finalise details. I met a couple who look like purchasing one too. I've bought the battery and they are thinking about also doing this though the dealers really push the battery rental. I get the impression it is selling well. The interior looks a lot better in black than the lighter colours on the 22 kw model I test drove. I'm starting to get excited but I also have to sell my current car and it will be nice when that is resolved (friends were going to buy it but not looking so certain now). I'm used to coasting a lot in gear for economy so I guess the lack of strong regen on the Zoe won't bother me too much.
Robert Smith the thing is, whatever it does you'll find the way to get the best out of it, and after some fiddling you'll have it done. But like a new phone. I've been offered a 22 Zoe with a battery lease as a second car, only 5k, seriously considering it. But if I'm honest, I want a Twizy. 😊 if this car didn't sell I'd be amazed. I'm really keen to know your thoughts and how you get on 😊👍🏻
Twizzy, I haven't tried one but they look to be fabulous fun, go for it!
You're driving the thing in 'Normal' mode. Stick it in 'Sports' mode and the acceleration picks up noticably. Drive it in 'Eco' mode and your fuel consumtion figures will get better. Also stop accelerating and braking like you are in a F1 race. It's a Hybrid, not a petrol, diesel or EV car.
You’ve got to hand it to Toyota, they seem to have done a great job on the marketing. Here in Malta they are EVERYWHERE. I really
Like the look of them but then I like films like Mad Max and Bladerunner so that might explain it. It’s a Nod to the future of electric and a shame because they could have really challenged the hybrid/EV market with this car. Short review but great as usual!!
Do you think with the immergence of more EV's it would be helpful to introduce a scale that more accurately highlights the range of a vehicle no matter what power it uses. As well as MPG or KWM it should indicate range when topped up, would this be detrimental to people who may want to transfer to EV's?
I think that would be a great idea. The problem is we don;t have an actual range on any car as so many things dictate the end result, the way it's driven, the weather, the engine age/quality. But we do have a storage capacity that although alters very slightly is predominantly the same. Also with an ICE car you have mass amounts of redundancy in mileage but with a BEV you don't. When the range is in the 500/600 mile area people won't be as interested in it. Also, honesty is the only way. I think all these fabricated mpg figures are a disgrace. Transparency is the only way forward I believe.
It just seems to me that although it's kind of like comparing apples with pears people look at the range of a vehicle rather than other variables. If you had a 2 Litre petrol a full tank would cost you about £60 and give you a range of probably no more than 300 miles, whereas your Tesla could get 200 miles on a full charge at a cost of say £12 so about £18 to do 300 miles (if you didn't have ecotricity or Tesla Superchargers). I suppose that's the point I was trying to make, if there was more emphasis on cost per mile rather than range people may be more inclined to make the switch.
Yeah definitely. With regards to our Model S it will cover 200 miles for about £8.50p which is about 4p a mile, that is a definite selling loin t just there.
Buzzard Brother
If you were buying a hybrid, what hybrid would you buy? Really like your videos.
x x honestly, I would buy a PHEV, I think hybrids are massively underperforming. Personally we'd go for the Golf GTE or the Kia Optima. Glad you liked it 👍🏻
Porsche do a PHEV Cayenne and Panamera - way to go!
The CH-R is built on the brand new TNGA platform (the same as the 4th Gen Prius) and not the same platform as the Prius+. Have you driven the 4th Gen Prius?. I have always wanted a Prius but it has never come up to scratch with regard to ride and build quality, but the 4th Gen is in a different league to all previous Prius before it and and that is why I am swapping my Zoe for a new Prius Excel next week and I can't wait. At the end of the day its a Hybrid and not an electric car, the electric side is for assistance and for gliding around in city traffic. I have read that the CH-R is much more eager to run its ICE and spend less time in electric mode than the Prius and that is evident from your review also.
Mr H hi Mr H, I'm curious of this as I know the initial testing in 2015 was on the older platform but the handling was bad so they changed to the Prius plus platform??? That came from Toyota 😳 I'll make some enquiries in to this. I'm surprised to hear your going back to a hybrid after a Zoe, what's the issue? Handling? The CH-R really was an ice car, and as you said isn't an EV. That said, in the interests of fuel economy/emissions which is exactly what these cars are made for it needs to pull more out of the bag than 10 miles an hour whilst you hardly accelerate, based on the fact most energy is wasted in during initial acceleration and mass drag. After all the years Toyota have been making hybrids it's quite honestly no different in performance than a mk1 Prius sadly. Maybe the handling is better but 46mpg.... no thanks
Fair enough, some good reasons there. We really enjoyed the new Zoe but as you said, the range just wasn't consistent with the advertising. Our Tesla manages 200 miles regardless of if we drive it on the motorway or tickle it around and regardless of temperature which is perfect for us and the Supercharging is excellent. No RFID car/apps or ridiculous business models of charging people for time instead of what they actually receive... Although we are ecotricity customers this annoyed us. It's a backward step and has had exactly the opposite effect that they originally strived for.... you being a perfect example. Rumour is, is changing pretty soon to a much more customer friendly model :-)
46 MPG. what kind of driving gets you that?:) I would be happy with 46 I think. My mercedes c350e said 124mpg and I would get 30mpg :D
I drive very carefully. I always drive the speed limit on normal roads and never go over 80 on motor ways.
the cruise control is it automatic stop and go?
This would be my first toyota and its the first SUV I found really good looking
A few years ago there were massive recalls of Toyota`s in the USA for faults that were killing people and lately problems with exploding airbags .2010 recall of some 4.2m vehicles over "pedal entrapment" risks .
You said very little about the gearbox ? Tell us more please
You've got to remember it's only a hybrid, and the philosophy is that the electric motive power allows the engine to run at its most economical which is high revs when you need the power. We have a Yaris which has a smaller battery, and when you are in town if you are very light on the throttle you can run at up to 30 on the battery but with very slow acceleration. Your fuel consumption figures sound right, our Yaris averages 50 but the NEDC figures say 75. It's the NEDC test that needs to be scrapped. The US EPA figures are nearer true life. The power meter is similar to the Yaris and as such in town traffic if, once you get moving you keep it in the bottom half of the ECO section it will stay on electric. Go above this into the second part of the ECO section and the engine will cut in but not rev hard. the revs only come on if you go into the power section of the power meter. The Yaris has a 1.2 Atkins cycle engine coupled to the eCVT transmission. A bit long but it's what I've found.
45mpg says it all. A waste of time.
Cheers for your input Peter. I feel that this will give good mpg but as you said, if you employ a driving standard that isn't really consistent with everyday driving. I know i could achieve these in a smaller engined petrol car with stop start for sure.
Gerd Bremer I can name hybrids that will never give 59mpg. so can you if you look them up.
Gerd Bremer thats the point, people don't want a car that you have to adopt an unrealistic driving style to achieve the results. They want cars that perform like cars. These figures are achievable in many small petrol cars which drive much better than this hybrid system which, makes the hybrid system better because????
Gerd Bremer nope, not a Tesla. We compared this to a Nissan Leaf for acceleration. It felt painfully slow. A Nissan Juke 1.5dci is as quick and has better figures. This as you point out is a 2ltr petrol with the assistance of an electric motor.
That would have been a complete winner if it was a full EV. Looks great just a shame they have not pushed past the internal combustion engine.
completely agree
Hi James and Kate. Great videos, really informative and pleasure to watch you guys. Any chance of XC90 T8 review? Keep up with good work (Y)
Thanks, it's our pleasure. I'll look in to that for you :-)
A mate had the 1.2 Turbo petrol on hire it was slow and poor on fuel
Is there any USB port in C-HR ?
yes there is ☺
You know a way to play video (Mp4)?
Another great review.
Looks a great car but not a fan of the rear door handles and the blue trim round most of the interior, bit overkill and should of been more subtle.
Keep up the good work guys.
Just about to watch one of yours actually... How did you get on with the S?? Glad you liked it :-)
Thanks. I am still getting used to the talking to camera and voiceovers but slowly getting there. I had the S before Christmas for a couple of days and loved it, also drove P90DL that is something different. Would love an S like yours but I will stick with my Leaf and see what the 3 is like once it comes out. Hope you enjoy my videos :-)
Thought it was really good and your cinematography is improving each time. The S is an amazing car and we wouldn't be without it, until Tesla bring out the Model 3 anyway.
Thanks. Think I am my own harshest critic at times. Really glad you enjoyed it. Can't wait for your next review
It looks like a Star Wars storm trooper helmet on wheels.
I just bought a C-HR. It’s reliable and fuel efficient. At least if you know how to drive a hybrid. Funny thing is that in the Netherlands hybrids are cheaper to drive (cost petrol vs electricity) now prices of electricity tripled. Went for a testdrive in Renault Zoë. About same price of C-HR. No thank you… Less car, less comfortable, half the range, very basic, etc. And it’s a Renault of course… I will be driving an EV in the future for sure. I will wait for a full EV from Toyota.
tried this the other day, you hit your head getting in the rear even if your short like me, and also the hybrid system does not seem to work with this model very well.... nuff said.... will stick with my auris hybrid for the moment..
I did notice the low roof line but didn't hit my head. As for the hybrid system.... it's not a step forward. I've driven the Auris Hybrid and it was x10 better than this.
ta for reply guys, but the kids say prefer the new prius for room and stuff, and it has auto park..!!
sneekylinux thats a good feature but can honestly say we never use it, only to demonstrate to others. That's said, we can both park ok 😊
I highly doubt they could use a 1.2 litre with the AWD system. 1.8 is doable, but kinda pushing it. Toyota does make a good car (2006 Scion tC, 2011 Toyota RAV4 4cyl AWD).
Yeah i checked the torque figure and the 1.2 is down.
i watched lot of reviews about this car... and on other vids the car activates the petrol engine only from 50-60 km/h
You need to learn how to drive a hybrid, I drive a Yaris hybrid and work as a courier and its average 60mpg over the last 40000 miles , I drive over 2000miles a month and am very pleased with the way it drives and performs
Once you go ev you don't go back
Is what you said to me.
I agree but I think the petrol powered electric motor nissans may be interesting. Japan only though
Can you find a Chevy bolt to try ?
As Vauxhall ampere e is making it to the UK
Has a 228mile range though..
What was the real mpg of your test?
Chevy Bolt or Vauhall ampera e will not be coming to the UK or any right hand drive markets because GM didn't invest it at the time
Yeah sorry, no Chevy bolt/Ampere E in the UK :-/
They need to make a non-hybrid version, and the option for a sun/moon roof...
IAmGoombaSniper they do a 1.2 turbo non hybrid version currently
I believe your paying more for the look than anything if the price was brought down £3000 it would be summed up to be a great car all rounder. Except every video dealer says the android needs updating.
check out the Prius prime with the lithium battery pack, it's alot better in all hybrid departments. And if you get the solar roof version you can even charge the batteries up for th cost of nothing.
CD it's on our list. However a solar roof will have little impact on the traction battery capacity as it just doesn't generate enough energy.
James and Kate It's said the solar roof panel will charge enough everyday to drive 6.4km. And will fully charge the 8kw lithium pack in about 6days. It also improves the overall effeciecy too (probably less then 10% but it all adds up).. It's a nice little addition especially if your stuck without fuel or an outlet lol.
"Why a 1.8 not a 1.2 turbo?"
Simple answer. It is a 1.8 litre (pseudo) Atkinson Cycle engine, so the amount of fuel air mixture it compresses per cycle is a lot smaller than a conventional 1.8 litre engine does. Of course you won't get the claimed economy thrashing it the way you are in this video and you will have to thrash it to get anywhere near the performance of the 1.2 turbo version. If you aren't prepared to accept that it is meant to be a slow car, and drive it the way Toyota intended, then you would be throwing your money away buying it in the first place.
Maybe a little danger in 2017 of some manufacturers just looking to shove out a number of different EV-tech vehicles, anything, just to make the numbers up. I fear personally, there maybe a little bit of window-dressing and milking going on! Window-dressing, in making enough hybrids and EVs to qualify for some tax breaks they get eg in the USA for flogging a proportion of their total sales, as EV-based. Then, milking, in that if you put in a battery and can prove it even moves the car forward (ok, ten miles or something minimal) it gets the owner £2,500 back on purchase price in the UK, then cuts their road tax bill too. Although as you point out, there is an entirely new and less EV-generous scheme coming in for Road Fund Licence in the UK as of April 2017. Good review - what else can you say, they slapped in decade-old tech and a battery the Renault Twizy would turn its nose up at, in order to have an EV-tech rival to the Juke. Lastly - seems like those chunky looks are a big part of the appeal, and I don't think when the salesman says he's not able to get a hold of enough of these, he means the hybrid!
sleekitwan Clearly you know what you're talking about from a few of your comments on our vids. What do you do for a living??? Ten year old tech a Twizy would turn its nose up at 😂😂😂
Kate maybe you should try a review on your own.Looks like you are on a learning curve and I do hope you get on I the car field you have chosen.As you must realise there are a number of reviewers who are far more accurate.This will come with experience no doubt.Best of luck .Thanks for trying.
That's the point, why would a car owner need to learn how to drive a car. This is where this system falls down. Inflated purchase price, o better mog than an economical petrol and definitely no better than a diesel and a driving style of Miss Daisy. Add to this, it's advertised as a self charging hybrid and it becomes a very misleading over engineered system that is out performed by older ICE setups. Or, you could buy a BEV that will out performed all of them. I'm happy to keep trying my luck, all the best 🖐🏻
absolute rubbish .Go and try another way of making a living
Love watching “EV’ers” review hybrids. So brutal!
love your accents. we dont get the hybrid here
I almost got one of these, after your review and a test drive. no way at all and want for a Outlander GX4H in the end.
Adrian Pike. Agree. Its not very often Toyota get something wrong but I do think Hydrogen technology is being overtaken by the massive strides being made in EV range. However I fully expect Toyota to develop a very nice EV.
They need to do it quickly, as everyone else is investing huge amounts in to it.
The niche for this is people who want to move away from diesels and get good fuel economy. The hybrid option is a good all-rounder for commutes and town driving.
There is a danger that you have been spoilt by having a Tesla and so are losing a bit of objectivity.
Dave Cooper I wouldn't say spoilt, but more expectant possibly. This system is almost the same as that fitted to the original Prius, it's advances have been frankly disappointing. I personally wouldn't recommend any hybrid, only plug in hybrids due to the fuel consumption figures.
James and Kate but they only work for people whose lives fit with the charging durations and locations. For me, a Tesla, for example would get me to work and home once before needing a charge. There are no Superchargers anywhere close to my commute. Once I got home, even with the most powerful home charger, I would struggle to be able to get enough into the battery for the round trip the next day and would also rule out using the car at night. So, until charging times come right down, and they will with the ever changing technology in batteries (Huawei have developed a LiPo battery and charger that fully charges in seconds), you have to accept thst pure EV vehicles will not work for many people. Your 2500 mile trip to the continent, for example, included wasting many hours sat waiting for your car to charge; much more than a mild irritant for people with two young kids, for example.
So, for people who cannot make the transition to full EV yet, a hybrid is the perfect stepping stone. Plug-in hybrids will never be the solution because the majority of people who buy them do so to get the government grant and, if a recent article is to be believed, as many as 75% never ever plug them in.
I drive a 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee and am ashamed to say I have put £6000 of diesel into it in the year since buying it new along with all the pollutants that I now know still come out of diesel engines. I would love to be able to go to an EV but cannot because of my commute distance. A hybrid is the best solution for me at this time and so I will be getting one and am looking now...
Dave Cooper our Tesla is the slowest and with the smaller battery pack. The newer models are now covering 300 miles. Next year we'll have a 150kWh pack rated at over 400 miles so that should cover loads of your journey and late night travel.
With our trip we did have to stop, but it was no real inconvenience, roughly every three hours for 30/40 mins, we needed the break. Also the chargers are placed mostly along main routes so the divination is minimal.
We have to remember that a trip like this is normally a one off, or once a year so the inconvenience just doesn't seem to matter. Wasn't aware of the plug in facts, but remember they still work as a hybrid even when depleted so not a complete loss.
James and Kate I think a hybrid now and then see what happens with Model 3 and the Jaguar i-Pace for my next car.
Thanks for the replies. I am enjoying your channel 😬
Dave Cooper no probs Dave
As an EV driver who driven Toyota hybrids quite often, I completely get where you come from - they just can’t compare to EVs in performance or NVH - they are nowhere close; and neither can you drive it like a ‘normal’ car - have to watch your paddle. More annoyingly it basically doesn’t have a gear box after 45mph - which is very noisy when accelerating and going uphill (and this system is inefficient at high speed as it is always coupled to the motor (‘eCVT’)), as well as when you have the heating/AC on when the engine suddenly kicked in... you always have to do something to make it become economical (but there’s no Rev-counter...) - far more precision required than EVs (even the 1st gen Leaf with tragic range doesn’t require that much efforts to have a descent range) To me this middle ground is also the worst... and I get the hostility from people here - most of them have never ever driven an EV and they have nothing to compare to, hence they’ll settle for things like this. Regardless I agree with you, EVs are just way better to drive than this thing (and for Hybrid this can’t compare to Range extender hybrid nor plug in hybrid)... and to be honest I can’t see any benefits of THS over other hybrids (apart from ‘mild hybrid’) , never mind the EVs...
I don't quite see the point of it being a hybrid. 45mpg is easily achievable without the electric side of things in most modern petrol cars
It's only saving grace is no clutch or gearbox to play with.
Yep, completely agree. If you drive it like a fairy it will give better results, but who wants to drive like this. We like to drive in a normal way.
Gerd Bremer My sisters Honda CRX got me 60mpg (UK). Its not a plug-in and my long motorway trip gave the hybrid part no advantage. The fact the engine is tuned for economy and the body is as slippery as a fish helped. Had to use that car due to a crucial EV charger not working at the time.
My last long single trip in good weather last year gave my Leaf an effective 172mpg in cost. Generally I clear 100mpge.
Many hybrids barely give more than 45mpg in town driving.
Gerd Bremer I can assure you I know exactly how to drive a hybrid to achieve the maximum results, which, as previously mentioned is very sedately and slower than the moving traffic generally. The only way this car would be of use is as a plug in.
James and Kate Is it not a plug-in?
OMG! This day and age :(
IF you wish to un-invent CVT you are not alone. It's like a design from some bygone age - a slipping belt thing in between two cones is it not? They come together and force the effective diameter to be larger, pull apart and this reduces it. Like being able to adjust the sizes of gears in effect. I think - and it is only IMHO - with the advent of clever electronics and dual clutch systems, and instant torque of electric motors, the slowly-gripping CVT system is designed strictly for augmenting torque ie it is in effect a torque convertor ie wasteful just like fluid ones, and is purpose-built for dealing with the shortcomings of ICE designs. You know something is wasteful if it gets hot. The noise turns out to use hardly any energy. It's all about throwing heat away. As I said to one petrol-head: if you could capture the heat energy of a fossil fuel motor, and somehow turn that into usable propulsion, or indeed usable anything (heating in arctic conditions), you could make them over 90% efficient just like electric motors. The noise from the exhaust pipe is just a few watts apparently.
sleekitwan yes agreed. The problem with ICE being it's optimal window. To slow its inefficient, to fast its inefficient. The CVT puts it in that window but at the expense of an awful drive. There's another problem. EV's can switch off the heater to conserve the energy, IVE is stuck with it, either putting it in to the cabin or radiating to the atmosphere. My view is that the CVT really doesn't aid fuel consumption at all unless driven very sedately, and that will only work with a small percentage of the population.
I know it’s a year later but you need to realise that Toyota’s Hybrid Synergy Drive is an eCVT, which means it doesn’t use any sort of belt. It uses an ICE and two electric motors into a planetary gearbox. So no losses through friction. In countries with high percentage of electricity produced from fossil fuels (eg Australia) it is as ‘green’ as an EV.
ua-cam.com/video/ThUv86lzZ4k/v-deo.htmlm46s not the first time she has heard that!
hmmm looks like a nissan juke?
Yep, we thought that too
James and Kate - we saw you at Toyota Leicester before you took the CHR out - would have said hi but you were in conversation with the salesman and knew you would be time limited with the car. When you left the staff were very excited about nipping outside to look at your Tesla :)We drove a RAV4 hybrid - which has a 2.5 litre petrol in it. Exactly the same driving experience as you, I felt like I was motoring along in 2nd gear from the revs. So disappointing Toyota are not atleast adding a plug, but there is definitley an MPG gain from the puny battery. Owners are getting 45 MPG (honest John real MPG) from the RAV4 hybrid, which is 10 MPG more than I get from our petrol CRV. Something like a Soul or Sportage petrol would be good for mid to high 30's MPG, so again the CHR is about 7-10 MPG better.Our 4 year old daughters assessment of the CHR in the showroom was "this sucks" broadcast across the room! Kids cannot see out from the rear seats due to the high window line and thick C pillar.So frustrated waiting for an EV that could tow all our camping kit for family holidays, close to opting for a used Leaf or Soul EV for our second car to replace a 10 year old Prius though (which has never had a single fault or niggle). Keep up the great reviews. How about an ENV200 Evalia test drive? :)
Hi James. You should have said hi, always nice to chat. It's a real shame about this car, It looked so promising, but that gearbox... It kills me. Also the rear view is bad as you mentioned. The Soul EV is an excellent car, Kia in Hinckley have got one for sale I think. Let me look in to ENV for you, next time give us a nudge :-)
thanks James and Kate. Prefer the driving position, looks and warranty with the Soul, but the Leaf is much cheaper to pick up used. Maybe prices will come down when the longer range one is announced around July.
Do you still prefer the Soul to the Leaf? Which one feels quicker?
Neat looking car but I would never buy a hybrid either all ICE or all battery no blend for me. Thanks for posting.
Glad you liked it, cheers
I am disappointed with Toyota. They were pioneers with hybrid technology, then they got sidetracked by hydrogen fuel cells when they could have developed a compelling EV instead.
It's a fine example of top down management. Where the management are not very bright.
i raised this on their facebook page and they still are very hydrogen focused. Madness
completely with you. Toyota had it from the start and really haven't advanced it. I would have though this car would have been offered at least as a plug-in
A hydrogen fuel cell car is an EV. The only difference is that currently you have to load the car with electricity from a power station that blows CO2 out of its stacks.
A fuel cell car generates its own power to charge the battery and run the motors and blows water out the exhaust.
Why does that disappoint you?
hawkesworth1712 only a half wit cannot get his head around the fact it takes shitloads of electricity to make hydrogen. They are simply uneconomical compared to EV's.
Toyota need to get with the times and go EV. They're still basically using a 20+ year old hybrid technology.
Toyota finally made a sporty- looking crossover...problem is Toyota is a EV-hater manufacturer. Look at the lineup options for proof. Too bad. I really like the way this car looks.
Get a Kia Niro instead bigger Ion lithium battery great to drive quiet and 7 Year warranty
Tianeo1972 it's on the list
It is not 1.8 petrol. It is more like 1.0 petrol and 0.8 battery/electric. I have driven it too but I feel (as you did), it is noisy, cramped and dark in the rear seats and bad rear visibility that can not be compensated fully by the electronic gimmics like rear view camera and rear radar etc. I liked the ride height, the steering, the suspension and Toyota reliability notion. The next model of this car may turn out to be what we are really looking for.
Rajiv Sharma I reckon by the time the mark 2 is available this type of hybrid system will be obsolete. It really has no real benefit unless you drive it very lightly indeed.
You are driving it like an electric car but it is a slow hybrid so you probably drive more aggressively than the average petrol driver
That's one fugly dash, parden my French.
Nice looking car but it seems a bit over priced for what you get by the looks of it....Which is a shame
It's a smashing car inside and out, but the drive and MPG are way off :-/
Gerd Bremer it gets nowhere near this in real life driving. It's gets these figures when driven unrealistically.
dct would be better with this car instead of cvt. its a nice looking car but cvt its a shame
Limon Amin yep, the Golf GTE is fantastic with the DSG transmission. Certainly would have made this car better. I don't know why they persist with it when fuel consumption is. I better 😳👎🏻
Poor review. Exposes the reviewers lack of technical appreciation. Agree with a previous comment whereby their opinion is coloured by the Tesla. Different price! I cannot agree with the comment about noise, mine is as quite as can be expected. I owned a third generation Prius previously and this car is much better thanks to the new platform incorporating double wishbone rear suspension making the handing and ride very nice. As you noted the drive train trans-axle has been improved from previous incarnations and is better.
John Quinn I’m sorry but I disagree. As I work in EV powertrain I can tell you this ‘self charging’ as it marketed is no better than an economical petrol at an enhanced price. Compared to an full EV, it’s way off. Also we own a Renault Zoe, which I’d choose over any of Toyotas hybrid systems.
Economical petrol still gives out more CO2.. The petrol C-HR versus the hybrid C-HR is a good example.
it's way of drive make noise mate, Toyota hybrid 3.1 liter gives 100km I bet any other cars don't give
Thank you for nice review, Toyota needs to get out of that hybrid obsession and move on to fully electric, otherwise going out of business.
you're right, they definitely need to make that jump. Glad you liked it
Borest video ever. Hope i will not watch your videos ever again. Cheers from Croatia. Btw toyota c-hr hibrid is to good for you.
I did not like that review. What do you drive as daily cars please ?
Tesla Model S
James and Kate very nice. but not everyone can afford one (or have the range and charging issues) and want an affordable hybrid that is also comfy and stylish with some gadgets. the CHR fills this gap pretty well.
Giles Kennedy I agree, a nice car, but I'd take it with a 1.2 instead of the hybrid system.
James and Kate good point. but here in Madrid due to pollution if they instigate plans to restrict cars entering the city hybrids are exempt. will watch more reviews keep it up as your videos are well produced.
then your an idiot who has no idea how to drive an hybrid
You two - James and Kate - should quit your jobs and come to the USA reviewing EVs and other cars. Fame and fortune for you both. I see merchandizing possibilities - James and Kate coffee mugs, mouse pads, car mats, etc. The possibilities are endless. The James and Kate brand needs to start!
I'm not sure about that :-)
Hybrids require an entirely different driving technique, one which you obviously have not mastered. Exceptionally high mpg can be achieved if you are not overly heavy with your right foot. Please do not pontificate when you obviously do not know how to drive a hybrid.
That's the issue. They are advertised as having better MPG than an ICE equivalent, where in reality they don't, without employing a fairy style of driving. These are an absolute waste of time. Save the money and buy an ICE for 5k less or by a full EV and drive how you want
Hardly count these as ev in the slightest , hope they get no tax incentive, plus seems unchanged from original Prius of years ago , it did a few miles on ev below 25mph , ps needs a good stereo to hear above the noise. Most people who buy same cars always say the same thing , not worth driving D minus as a car , F as a hybrid , mpg figures a joke , cost ? , agree Prius clone , people bought the the Prius but when I drove in the day I laughed at its credentials , stop start , turbo charging low cc engines give better economy, never felt Toyota had good interiors , cheap tacky and age very quickly
the Kia Niro drives so much better than a Toyota hybrid, and gets better mpg driving it in a real world style rather than hypermiling style. However, the gearbox also broke after 800 miles and took 6 weeks to fix. One thing you can say about the Toyota system is it is reliable - check out the Which? Consumer website and spot what's at or near the top
I don't get what Toyota is doing these days ?!? These CVT gearboxes suck sooo bad and the engines are too low on torque...just build an EV!! They have all the tech it needs ..
i feel cheated. you title 20 minutes and only deliver 15 lol
Rick Menlove we'll add 5 nuns on to the next one for you 👍🏻
Toyota have been to busy playing with hydrogen, they have taken their eye off the ball
agreed
wer braucht Benzin ?
Karl Owen apparently a 1000 people less every month 👍🏻
This review almost put me off getting one fortunately i test drove one i have volvo xc60 R the CHR is nicer and easier to drive and easier to live with. This guy has no clue how to drive a hybid and full of **** mine runs on the flat up to 40 on battery regularly. My drive to work this morning mixture of town and motorway 23 miles 33 minuets 70.9mpg and have averaged over the last 400miles 59.7 if your going to post reviews learn to drive. Oh and never had an issue with rear view and its way bigger than a juke so comparison is stupid.
Poor reviewers ,think they should have learned more about the workings of the car before putting their mouths into motion.
You should try us. Were fully conversant with the CVT transmission and the Ni-Mh batteries used in the "self charging" range of hybrids. We've also since had the use of C-HR for a month and were hugely disappointed with the drive and the MPG was shocking when a real driving style was employed. Feel free to direct and technical questions our way as you expressed we know little of the workings??
I also own a C-Hr Hybrid and am not light footed and overall MPG over 1,435 mls have averaged 54.0 mpg,having had two Prius 2008 and 2008 still think if I had a say in your obvious down on Toyota you still lack any grown up review.Everyone that has sat on the seats in my C-HR Dynamic are impressed on long journeys.Reviewers from now on please give an accurate description or leave it to the professionals PLEASE
You are clearly perturbed about this car. What is the point of it? Granted, it is squeezing more tiny droplets of efficiency out of a petrol engine, but it isn't 'green'. You made no mention of a plug, which from the quick tour round shows there isn't one. So that's the reason not to buy. But even if it did have one, the pathetic battery size would mean it would almost count for nothing. This car is firmly wedded to fossil fuels. It isn't a hybrid. It's a fossil fuelled car with a complicated powertrain. Put bluntly, it's a deception.
What a terrible review, they really do not know anything about driving hybrids, it is a compact SUV not a sports care!!!!! Hate this type of review, emmm what Kia hybrid?
dont bring this cars in discus.
You two seems to complain about every Toyota hybrids system not been able to go over 10 miles before engine kick in which is a load of rubbish
I've driven several Toyota and Lexus hybrids and u can use the ev for up to 50 kilometers. U two need to learn how do drive an hybrid
Why bother going to Toyota dealer to test a car u don't have a clue about driving
Most Annoying review couple ever
bj banny I suggest you stop watching our vids then. But I'll just educate you with a few facts. Apply more than 18% throttle and the engine kicks in, that gives on flat ground a 0-30 time of 9 seconds, which means you're driving like a fanny, which is exactly what you need to do to stay in EV mode. These cars achieve no better mph than an economical diesel or petrol unless you employ an unrealistic driving style. This particular model was advertised as being able to achieve 36-40 mph before the ice is required which is absolute garbage. And if it it makes you feel better, I regularly drive a RAV4 hybrid so have ample experience of the system fitted to these models. Thanks for watching 😊👍🏻