@@TunaIRL Paying mininum wage to overworked third world people to make your product 100x times more profitable in the rest of the world.... (Basically what every international giant does but Apple just sky rocket the prices for no reason, just so their consumers think they are "above you" for having an IPhone.) (Wacom does basically the same)
Hey for someone who wants to have ability to rotate the brush maually with a keyboard shortcut. U can do they in newer versions of photoshop with left and right arrow keys. If u find the rotation speed slower. U can add shift to the arrow keys which will increase the rotation 5° every time u press
Drawing tablets have been around for 50 years or so... This basic feature should have been standard for decades by now! Brushes, markers, pencils, all make different marks when rotated and it is a basic thing artists do with those tools... Seems just as important as pressure sensitivity! My mind boggles that this has not been standard for a very long time! Everyone would miss it I would think...
Thank you for the heads up Robert. The Art Pen was the only reason I still used Wacom products. They have competition now, we can only hope someone makes a pen with proper barrel rotation.
Wacom is discontinuing it because the parts are no longer available. If they don't have access to the tech it's going to be a real challenge for someone else to do it. I'm sure they're trying.
@@TunaIRL I keep hearing that they can't get the component parts (and i believe that) but i can't find the source where this is coming from. I'm kind of sure Wacom isn't trying, or, rather, something isn't going right at wacom right now and they are doing so much cost cutting they are going right into the bone. It's very scary. Hopefully they are doing some kind of massive retooling, but there is too much smoke indicating that wacom is a company in a death spiral
What you are saying is that they "cannot source parts" for this particular pen. That doesn't mean they won't have a replacement for it in the future -- it just means that they have to cease production in the current moment, indefinitely. They have several options: Find a new supplier/supply to continue making the same pen model. Or redesign the pen with more easily acquirable components. I wouldn't stress about it too much unless you *need* the pen right here right now, or reasonably soon It's definitely cool. But I'm not at the level to *need* it just yet, and probably won't be needing it for awhile since I'm not working with the specific techniques that require a flat brush (yet). I can definitely see where it'd help, but I've gotten used to not using flat brushes digitally, so that can now wait a while longer until I actually *need* them specifically (such as for proper calligraphy instead of BSing a look-alike)
I love my art pen too!!! I do sense though that some of these newer apps and pens (especially the apple pencil) are solving the problems that only the art pen could originally. Like the tilt functionality of pencils in Fresco and Procreate are pretty phenomenal (going from thick to thin brush size just based on tilt alone). I do see that there are some strokes that still can only be pulled off by barrel rotation, but yeah. I'm just waiting for the day when someone creates the digital conte stick! hahaha
You can still do this by mapping Angle Jitter to Pen Tilt. The rotation will follow the pen direction as long as there is at least about 45 degrees of tilt. You don't have quite as much control to get a wide stroke just by rolling the pen in your fingers, but you wouldn't get that anyway unless you used a wide/flat pastel. Maybe you could get some of that back with the touch wheel.
I finally got this pen. Works best with krita and clipstudio paint. It Works in photoshop too but it's useless there because the brush tip doesn't show the spin while draw so it's hard to tell where it's tilted
@@DigitalPaintingTips I've tried both old 2020photoshop on my windows laptop and the newer 2024 photoshop on the imac and it's the same. I've yet to try it with my corel painter 2023, I just never use it because it seems super complicated. The barrel rotation is so fun to use with my flat brushes tho,this gives an entire new way to experiment painting and rendering, very different than the uncomfortable axial titlt rotation, that's a horrible way to draw
i'm so bummed I'm just learning about this, and that I can't find it anywhere :/ I've wanted a pen that does this exact thing for years, it's part of why I often still do my sketches traditionally and scan them in. they should've spent more on ads for this instead of yet another Cintiq right after I buy one.
It's been happening alot with many companies not just Wacom. The factories can't get the materials to make the product.... There's been chip shortages, disc shortages. It's hard finding certain blu ray sets and video games.
Hopefully Huion can come up with a cheaper version of this. Wacom cheap tablets look like toys these days (my old Bamboo lasted close to 10 years), Huion pens for the cheap models look way more professional.
I used to buy their products way back since UD1212. I no longer use their products because I bought so many tablet they dropped the support and bricked everyone of them in a short life cycle. I don’t use it professionally so I can’t keep on buying new ones and just throwing the old ones.
@@TheEudaemonicPlague nope, they stopped supporting on mac older tablet as well as on my Window 10 machine. Not the first time. Unless they decided to patch last year. I got rid of mine. My Intuos3 9x12 has not been supported for a long time. I have a smaller intuos that I used when I was on the road and not wanting to carry the 9x12. The small one works. But not the 9x12. Got bricked a long time ago. Which is a shame.
@@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_Channel Neverthe less, it remains a shame cos their products were built to last (and it was one argument to buy one). And we are now dependent of the talent and will of one developer. Bless him.
Even though I don't use the barrel rotation feature of the Wacom Art Pen, it's my favorite Wacom pen in terms of feel and ergonomics. Sad to see it might not be available anymore. Fortunately I ordered a few units last year just in case something like this happened:-)
Hi I use the art pen and I just broke it TODAY, now im finding that they are discontinued like they said and I can no longer purchase one. Is there any alternatives to the missing barrel rotation?
This seems like it would have to be the standard or it would be sorely missed by all who use these pads and pens... I guess we are still at V1 with drawing pads. V2 is when rotating the tool is a standard feature.
I bought an artpen for barrel rotation a while ago and I can safely say that It did not bring the digital art experience any closer to traditional art. Its difficult to gauge the rotation of your pen because it is symmetrical all around. with a real flat brush you can see it rotate and have immediate feedback due to its natural shape I suspect they're gonna do a newer generation of the artpen because right now the tracking isn't as precise as the pro pen 2 and up.
Thanks for making this vid. I planned on doing the same on top of bringing the issue up in the Wacom forum. Infuriating move on Wacom’s part to discontinue this and now Apple just released the Apple Pencil Pro that has barrel rotation. Unfortunately, it’s not backward compatible…
I never got why barrel rotation never was standard for all pens. I mean even if the nib itself are round just the possibility to rotate the barrel not just for the pose but to be able to do true calígrafy Also I have been waiting year after year for other brands to add barrel rotation. Honestly I think the reason it never was so big was they so many did know why this feature existed or how to use it.
I've been using this pen for decades. Ludicrous they got rid of it, but hopefully they update it as it's much needed. Thankfully I have a backup somewhere...
I’ve used the barrel rotation for years and thought of it as a secret weapon. When people cry and whine about “overpriced Wacom” I’ve been buying the tech because it’s always been more functionality than what the competitors have offered.
Fortunately, I got the art pen a few years ago to replace the cheaply made regular wacom pen. I hardly use it though since I now do most my drawing on the Tab S8 Ultra.
@jamesbullo Yeah, but there's something that still makes this pen incompatible with Samsung. I've tested it, and it doesn't work. The newer Wacom One stylus works but not older Wacom tablet pens.
@@stealthiestboy The thought crossed my mind, but I still do use my Wacom tablet every once in a while. Since my other stylus is raggedy, I'll hang on to the art pen.
Very informative. I had the pen already and didn't know it, came a package deal with a used Cintiq. Oddly it's already set up with rotation while the pro pen is setup with tilt as default. Not sure how you go about changing that if you want to.
Now that the new apple pencil has barrel rotation, wacom might see this and make a new pen with rotation since they'll likely be more demand for it cause loads more people are gonna have barrel rotation from the new ipads
Not only did they nix eraser tips on their new pens, they don't even use barrel sensitivity now.. I bought one specifically for that option forever ago. What a joke.
The only thing I considered switching to Wacom from XP-PEN for was Artpen's rotate function (but I also didn't want to take a 10 year old pen with 2k resolution).
@@DigitalPaintingTips Rob, I said the same thing; I recently got my hands on two Art Pens after watching your video. Don’t get me wrong, it’s always good to have more than one tool in the arsenal with that feature and I don’t regret the purchase, but I still felt a tad sheepish after the news dropped today. 😅
@@DigitalPaintingTips Mine should be in soon! And yeah, both tools can serve more or less the same function at different times. At home the Art Pen is ideal for larger Wacom displays, and on the go there’s the Apple Pencil Pro. Can’t wait to test them both!
I've never understood why this technology didn't seem to "catch on". There are zero companies besides Wacom who have this feature. I've had one of these since 2015 but I saw the writing on the wall about a year ago and forced myself to stop using it. I wanted to know if I would feel crippled without it, if there were ways to make the standard stylus do the same thing, and also whether I could switch to a less expensive tablet brand. All it comes down to for me is that we will no longer be able to incorporate traditional methods into digital mediums. Digital stylus will become a medium more separated from other art tools, rather than being a tool that can mimic all other mediums. I think it's sad this is not a standard feature in all drawing pens for all brands. I don't know what kind of techno wizardry is inside this device that makes it impossible to iterate on and replicate, when we live in a world where computers are palm sized. Thanks for letting us know. I still have mine and it still works just fine after ten years. Thankfully.
Wacom themselves said the feature is hard to implement: "We created the Art pen in 2008 but unfortunately, we had to suspend production as some components are no longer available. Wacom is investigating the possibility of recreating the Art pen with updated pen technology, but there are challenges as barrel rotation is very unique." I'm sure other companies are trying to do it too.
Nice lil niche info here, thanks for the video Robert. Regrettably, I've never tried one myself. For those of you that refuse to pay a high price for getting one now, I can only recommend to keep your brush settings tab open, allowing you to rotate your tool via the software. Alternatively, one can create flipped or rotated versions of the same brush and use the brush-box add-on for easy access (this way you could have one row of the same brush, but in different orientations, easily selected via one tap). Not as intuitive as the rotating pen, and certainly far from a traditional feel, but it does the trick just as nicely. The same works with tool presets of course, though brush-box makes for a cleaner organization. Cheers, hope this helps! Have fun creating!
On a different note, I feel your pain Robert. As artists, we so much depend on our muscle memory. Being forced to adapt to other tools, when the existing ones work perfectly, can be very frustrating. Better stock up on those art pens now! :)
yo! thanks for the heads up, i was wondering if the pen was compatible with my cintiq 16 DTK1660? wacom doesn't list it as one of the compatible tablets, but some forums online seem to claim otherwise
dude... I am so mad WHY wasn't there any marketing for this?!!! all these years whishing that I could draw just like on newspaper and charcoal pencil on the cintiq..
Yes like I work in gamedev and from the at least hounded otker pro artist I know it was just one apart from me who even had heard about it. And she though it was just the nib that was diffeeenr. She did not knew about barrel rotation. I actually started out with the Wacom 4D I think it was called which is the art pen but for intous 3 so well must had been 25 years ago or so. I lied that even better as the nib was wider. Basically it looked exactly as a typical wider marker pen.
I am loyal to my Wacom tablet only because of this pen. I can get much better deals and specs with Chinese products... but don't just because of this pen. It's great.
@@DigitalPaintingTipsyes and just because you can achieve same things in different ways does not make make it useless. I mean with this stance I could say crust canvas rotation is useless as I can rotate my arm or wrist right?
After care service is terrible and highly overpriced. I had two and first time I needed help they were zero help. Now the market is flooded with pens they really struggle.
its like 100$, right? i dont draw or anything, but am intrigued. should i bite the bullet and get one, just to be safe in case i decide to dabble with drawing? they are available-ish in my neck of the woods. and like i said, 100$. are there different models or? mine says art pen 4/5 something something. cheers.
Meanwhile Apple is planning to incorporate barrel rotation into their new tablets and pen. I hope they destroy Wacom which would be better for consumers, because monotomy is a bitch,
Très drole, et ironique. Qui avons nous qui introduit la rotation sur leurs nouvelles machine ?... Apple avec leur "Apple Pencil Pro" et exclusivement sur les nouveaux IPADS (Air et Pro 2024) et pas sur les anciens Ipad qui sont encore très viable et performant (Puces M1 et M2). Et leur nouveau stylet (à plus de 130,00€) offre cette "nouvelle" fonctionnalité (en omettant de dire que ce genre de technologie était déja présente depuis presque 10 ans chez Wacom - ce que j'ignorais). Y a t'il des rapprochement et des accords sombres entre Apple et Wacom? Ce ne serait pas étonnant, je pense ! Les calendriers coincident un peu trop : "je sors mon apple pencil pro, tu arrêtes ton wacom Art pencil, pour que je vende mlieux mes tablettes qui depuis 2 ou 3 ans se vendent pas très bien"... Simple supposition Pourquoi Wacom n'a pas fait évolué cette technologie (le Art Pen de chez Wacom est resté à 2048 niveaux de pression et de sensibilité alors que l'on est passé, chez XP Pen, à 16000 niveaux de pression cette année). Je pense que les clients de chez Wacom devraient être plus exigents au vue des prix pratiqués par le marque et faire pression plus encore sur cette entreprise pour quelle maintienne un haut niveau d'innovation quand elle possède des brevets de la sorte. Sinon c'est scandaleux!
Easy way to dodge the "problem" is to switch between sharp and "flat" brush by pressing 1 button. It will be faster than rotate brush each stroke. Iam now a pro or experienced drawer, but it seem obvious.
I don't know but i own a like 50$ tablet and the pen tilt and stuff just works (far better than my wacom) sooo ... a shame that most companies don't do stuff right from the start but use it to get more money .-. but if one has the money to spare as an artist, congrats! :D
Why, its Wacom closing its stores? Get an iPad M2 and an apple pencil G2 and problem solved! LOL And you have a powerful IPad for the next 5 years, no need of the new M4 LOL
Thank you for telling about this, I did not even know that this pen existed so this will be a game changer and probably allot more enjoyable drawing on my Wacom tablet. I manage to grab the last one from a net store I manage to come over that had it. Bit steep in price, but if it can make me use my tablet more then its worth it. 😅
Happy to help! I will make a video to show you how to configure your brushes for it. Give me a week. I’m finishing up another video and will do it. Congrats!!🎉
@@DigitalPaintingTips Ooh that would been so helpfull😄❤️ Looks like yt algorithm was on spot for a change with showing this video and your channel..I managed to check out a few more before I went to bed, and I really like them so am looking forward to seeing your new videos 😄
impressive how wacom can milk a patent and pump out overpriced downgrades decade after decade. I hope their competitors destroys their greedy asses.
ive stopped buying their tech. Moved onto XP Pen.
Do you know why they stopped making the pens?
It isn't casualty you always see them close to Apple's products too, the nastiest mfkers when it comes to overpricing...
@@BlueDINK7 How do you define overpricing?
@@TunaIRL Paying mininum wage to overworked third world people to make your product 100x times more profitable in the rest of the world.... (Basically what every international giant does but Apple just sky rocket the prices for no reason, just so their consumers think they are "above you" for having an IPhone.) (Wacom does basically the same)
Hey for someone who wants to have ability to rotate the brush maually with a keyboard shortcut. U can do they in newer versions of photoshop with left and right arrow keys. If u find the rotation speed slower. U can add shift to the arrow keys which will increase the rotation 5° every time u press
no. it's not the same as when you changing it on the fly by rotating the stylus.
@@Grom84 yes no one said otherwise
Drawing tablets have been around for 50 years or so... This basic feature should have been standard for decades by now! Brushes, markers, pencils, all make different marks when rotated and it is a basic thing artists do with those tools... Seems just as important as pressure sensitivity! My mind boggles that this has not been standard for a very long time! Everyone would miss it I would think...
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 I feel like this is the case because society at large don't think artists are that necessary.
The Art Pen is out of stock on Wacom and Amazon's sites. Good luck finding one.
This is a huge opportunity for the other tablet makers. If they add barrel rotation I would switch in a heartbeat.
Yep!
@@DigitalPaintingTips in comes Apple's new pencil announced today with barrel rotation
The new Apple Pencil Pro has barrel rotation.
@@kevysterj would bet they're the ones responsible for the discontinuation tbh
@@henroc481how do you mean?
Thank you for the heads up Robert. The Art Pen was the only reason I still used Wacom products. They have competition now, we can only hope someone makes a pen with proper barrel rotation.
yeah- im bummed this is disappearing and it's weird how few companies are paying attention to barrel rotation
That's my thoughts exactly. Whoever doubles down on this will dominate, especially if they use the old Wacom design that looks like a flat marker.
Wacom is discontinuing it because the parts are no longer available. If they don't have access to the tech it's going to be a real challenge for someone else to do it. I'm sure they're trying.
@@DigitalPaintingTips Some use longer Aftermarket tips for regular pen.
@@caseysmith544 Wow! Really? If you have a link please share. I will pick some up this weekend.
@@TunaIRL I keep hearing that they can't get the component parts (and i believe that) but i can't find the source where this is coming from. I'm kind of sure Wacom isn't trying, or, rather, something isn't going right at wacom right now and they are doing so much cost cutting they are going right into the bone. It's very scary. Hopefully they are doing some kind of massive retooling, but there is too much smoke indicating that wacom is a company in a death spiral
These are long gone. Not even the eBay vultures have any.
What you are saying is that they "cannot source parts" for this particular pen. That doesn't mean they won't have a replacement for it in the future -- it just means that they have to cease production in the current moment, indefinitely. They have several options: Find a new supplier/supply to continue making the same pen model. Or redesign the pen with more easily acquirable components. I wouldn't stress about it too much unless you *need* the pen right here right now, or reasonably soon
It's definitely cool. But I'm not at the level to *need* it just yet, and probably won't be needing it for awhile since I'm not working with the specific techniques that require a flat brush (yet). I can definitely see where it'd help, but I've gotten used to not using flat brushes digitally, so that can now wait a while longer until I actually *need* them specifically (such as for proper calligraphy instead of BSing a look-alike)
An intriguing little feature, to be sure -- but I still don't have enough experience with my own tablet for the difference to even matter.
Do you think the new Apple Pencil Pro will replace the Wacom Art Pen since it now supports barrel rotation? Curious what your thoughts are on it.
I just got mine. I will let you know in about a week if it can!
@@DigitalPaintingTips would love to see you use the new apple pencil pro to draw an illustration :D
I love my art pen too!!! I do sense though that some of these newer apps and pens (especially the apple pencil) are solving the problems that only the art pen could originally. Like the tilt functionality of pencils in Fresco and Procreate are pretty phenomenal (going from thick to thin brush size just based on tilt alone). I do see that there are some strokes that still can only be pulled off by barrel rotation, but yeah. I'm just waiting for the day when someone creates the digital conte stick! hahaha
You can still do this by mapping Angle Jitter to Pen Tilt. The rotation will follow the pen direction as long as there is at least about 45 degrees of tilt. You don't have quite as much control to get a wide stroke just by rolling the pen in your fingers, but you wouldn't get that anyway unless you used a wide/flat pastel. Maybe you could get some of that back with the touch wheel.
I finally got this pen. Works best with krita and clipstudio paint. It Works in photoshop too but it's useless there because the brush tip doesn't show the spin while draw so it's hard to tell where it's tilted
You are so right about Photoshop. Corel Painter does a great job with this as well. It takes time to get used to using Photoshop.
@@DigitalPaintingTips I've tried both old 2020photoshop on my windows laptop and the newer 2024 photoshop on the imac and it's the same. I've yet to try it with my corel painter 2023, I just never use it because it seems super complicated. The barrel rotation is so fun to use with my flat brushes tho,this gives an entire new way to experiment painting and rendering, very different than the uncomfortable axial titlt rotation, that's a horrible way to draw
i'm so bummed I'm just learning about this, and that I can't find it anywhere :/ I've wanted a pen that does this exact thing for years, it's part of why I often still do my sketches traditionally and scan them in. they should've spent more on ads for this instead of yet another Cintiq right after I buy one.
It’s discontinued, I contacted Wacom support because I was interested in this same pen and they confirmed it
I would randomly check every week on different browsers to for availability. I know someone who found one a week ago.
@NotSoMax I can sell you mine, hardly ever use it, it's like new, I draw on ipad now. I'm in Mexico though, shipping might cost a bit extra.
It's been happening alot with many companies not just Wacom. The factories can't get the materials to make the product.... There's been chip shortages, disc shortages. It's hard finding certain blu ray sets and video games.
Hopefully Huion can come up with a cheaper version of this. Wacom cheap tablets look like toys these days (my old Bamboo lasted close to 10 years), Huion pens for the cheap models look way more professional.
I used to buy their products way back since UD1212. I no longer use their products because I bought so many tablet they dropped the support and bricked everyone of them in a short life cycle. I don’t use it professionally so I can’t keep on buying new ones and just throwing the old ones.
What are you talking about? Every tablet I've had has continued to work...and works right now.
@@TheEudaemonicPlague nope, they stopped supporting on mac older tablet as well as on my Window 10 machine. Not the first time. Unless they decided to patch last year. I got rid of mine. My Intuos3 9x12 has not been supported for a long time. I have a smaller intuos that I used when I was on the road and not wanting to carry the 9x12. The small one works. But not the 9x12. Got bricked a long time ago. Which is a shame.
An unofficial corrected driver for Mac exists. Works for intuos 3 (and others) and any macOS versions.
@@comedon that is great. Too bad I gave away mine.
@@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_Channel Neverthe less, it remains a shame cos their products were built to last (and it was one argument to buy one). And we are now dependent of the talent and will of one developer. Bless him.
Even though I don't use the barrel rotation feature of the Wacom Art Pen, it's my favorite Wacom pen in terms of feel and ergonomics. Sad to see it might not be available anymore. Fortunately I ordered a few units last year just in case something like this happened:-)
Wow, if you can get one, it is under $200. I might pull the trigger. The worst case scenario is you could resell it.
Hi I use the art pen and I just broke it TODAY, now im finding that they are discontinued like they said and I can no longer purchase one. Is there any alternatives to the missing barrel rotation?
Watch this video for workarounds. ua-cam.com/video/4305MvaBqLU/v-deo.htmlsi=KBTTiBVQ0znvwB1G
This seems like it would have to be the standard or it would be sorely missed by all who use these pads and pens... I guess we are still at V1 with drawing pads. V2 is when rotating the tool is a standard feature.
I bought an artpen for barrel rotation a while ago and I can safely say that It did not bring the digital art experience any closer to traditional art.
Its difficult to gauge the rotation of your pen because it is symmetrical all around. with a real flat brush you can see it rotate and have immediate feedback due to its natural shape
I suspect they're gonna do a newer generation of the artpen because right now the tracking isn't as precise as the pro pen 2 and up.
Did you have brushes set up for it? Nothing will ever replace the joy of traditional. But it makes it a lot more enjoyable.
Actually the original art pen was much flatter with a wider marker nib. I don’t get why they made it more “normal” in the second generation of it
Thanks for making this vid. I planned on doing the same on top of bringing the issue up in the Wacom forum. Infuriating move on Wacom’s part to discontinue this and now Apple just released the Apple Pencil Pro that has barrel rotation. Unfortunately, it’s not backward compatible…
I never got why barrel rotation never was standard for all pens. I mean even if the nib itself are round just the possibility to rotate the barrel not just for the pose but to be able to do true calígrafy
Also I have been waiting year after year for other brands to add barrel rotation.
Honestly I think the reason it never was so big was they so many did know why this feature existed or how to use it.
what tablet are you using?
I’m using the Cintiq 32 inch.
@@DigitalPaintingTips AaAaA Thank you!! :)
I've been using this pen for decades. Ludicrous they got rid of it, but hopefully they update it as it's much needed. Thankfully I have a backup somewhere...
Glad I got 3 of 'em way ahead plus the classic/slim one.
I’ve used the barrel rotation for years and thought of it as a secret weapon. When people cry and whine about “overpriced Wacom” I’ve been buying the tech because it’s always been more functionality than what the competitors have offered.
Guess it's a good thing I bought one years ago. Not sure it's where it should be, but I do have one.
Fortunately, I got the art pen a few years ago to replace the cheaply made regular wacom pen. I hardly use it though since I now do most my drawing on the Tab S8 Ultra.
Why not use it on your S8 Ultra? Samsung uses Wacom emr tech for their pens.
@jamesbullo Yeah, but there's something that still makes this pen incompatible with Samsung. I've tested it, and it doesn't work. The newer Wacom One stylus works but not older Wacom tablet pens.
Would you be willing to sell it?
@@stealthiestboy The thought crossed my mind, but I still do use my Wacom tablet every once in a while. Since my other stylus is raggedy, I'll hang on to the art pen.
They should finally remake it with the pro pen 2 tech and also the airbrush pen.
Very informative. I had the pen already and didn't know it, came a package deal with a used Cintiq. Oddly it's already set up with rotation while the pro pen is setup with tilt as default. Not sure how you go about changing that if you want to.
What model is this pen you are recommending? I mean which of the variations does Wacom have?
KP701E2
@@DigitalPaintingTips Thanks.
when I fugured out they are discontinuing it, I bought 2 just in case 1 breaks.
I want to buy a budget drawing monitor, which one is the best to get now?
Is this for business or pleasure?
Wacom just restocked this pen on their estore. I ordered one yesterday. I’m excited for it!
Seriously
@@DigitalPaintingTips Yes! And I would have never considered this pen if it wasn't for this video. Thank you!
@@nlnd6490 Your welcome! Enjoy!
Can you make a video about apple pro pen as its able to do the same thing now i wonder if you might get a ipad pro
I just got it. Let me play with it and I will!
@@DigitalPaintingTips Sweet, thankyou
@@DigitalPaintingTips i hope youre having fun with it !
Now that the new apple pencil has barrel rotation, wacom might see this and make a new pen with rotation since they'll likely be more demand for it cause loads more people are gonna have barrel rotation from the new ipads
@digitalarttips Is the “501” model the same? Thanks for the info.
I don’t think so. Here is the model number KP701E2
Yeah just recently contacted them and they confirmed it is in fact discontinued. No other resellers have them either
Not only did they nix eraser tips on their new pens, they don't even use barrel sensitivity now.. I bought one specifically for that option forever ago. What a joke.
The new Apple Pencil pro is able to do that. Wacom is in trouble now.
The only thing I considered switching to Wacom from XP-PEN for was Artpen's rotate function (but I also didn't want to take a 10 year old pen with 2k resolution).
Honestly, you don't notice the resolution that much. With a small tweak in settings, it feels the same.
Is this the wacom intuos 4 and cintiq 21 art pen ?
That’s a craftsman that knows his stools and his process.
Thank you!
If anybody is interested I can sell you mine, I really never used it, I'm an ipad/ Samsung guy now. Let me know.
Well, it happened. Apple just announced the new Apple Pencil Pro, and one of its new features is barrel rotation.
Are you serious. I’m in class on break! No words!
@@DigitalPaintingTips Rob, I said the same thing; I recently got my hands on two Art Pens after watching your video. Don’t get me wrong, it’s always good to have more than one tool in the arsenal with that feature and I don’t regret the purchase, but I still felt a tad sheepish after the news dropped today. 😅
Better to have an extra! Plus I still like working on bigger surfaces than the iPad!
But I did order a new Apple Pencil too! Lol
@@DigitalPaintingTips Mine should be in soon! And yeah, both tools can serve more or less the same function at different times. At home the Art Pen is ideal for larger Wacom displays, and on the go there’s the Apple Pencil Pro. Can’t wait to test them both!
yep and most importantly this stylus works with any wacom intuos pro tablet starting from intuos 4 up to intuos pro2, as well as cintiq.
Does anyone have a link?
I've never understood why this technology didn't seem to "catch on". There are zero companies besides Wacom who have this feature.
I've had one of these since 2015 but I saw the writing on the wall about a year ago and forced myself to stop using it. I wanted to know if I would feel crippled without it, if there were ways to make the standard stylus do the same thing, and also whether I could switch to a less expensive tablet brand.
All it comes down to for me is that we will no longer be able to incorporate traditional methods into digital mediums. Digital stylus will become a medium more separated from other art tools, rather than being a tool that can mimic all other mediums.
I think it's sad this is not a standard feature in all drawing pens for all brands. I don't know what kind of techno wizardry is inside this device that makes it impossible to iterate on and replicate, when we live in a world where computers are palm sized.
Thanks for letting us know. I still have mine and it still works just fine after ten years. Thankfully.
Exactly🤔
No wizardry. Just more sensors so same EMC tech
Wacom themselves said the feature is hard to implement: "We created the Art pen in 2008 but unfortunately, we had to suspend production as some components are no longer available. Wacom is investigating the possibility of recreating the Art pen with updated pen technology, but there are challenges as barrel rotation is very unique."
I'm sure other companies are trying to do it too.
Nice lil niche info here, thanks for the video Robert. Regrettably, I've never tried one myself. For those of you that refuse to pay a high price for getting one now, I can only recommend to keep your brush settings tab open, allowing you to rotate your tool via the software. Alternatively, one can create flipped or rotated versions of the same brush and use the brush-box add-on for easy access (this way you could have one row of the same brush, but in different orientations, easily selected via one tap). Not as intuitive as the rotating pen, and certainly far from a traditional feel, but it does the trick just as nicely. The same works with tool presets of course, though brush-box makes for a cleaner organization. Cheers, hope this helps! Have fun creating!
On a different note, I feel your pain Robert. As artists, we so much depend on our muscle memory. Being forced to adapt to other tools, when the existing ones work perfectly, can be very frustrating. Better stock up on those art pens now! :)
Did Wacom finally fix their drivers? I think not, huion it is for me.
Same drivers
yo! thanks for the heads up, i was wondering if the pen was compatible with my cintiq 16 DTK1660? wacom doesn't list it as one of the compatible tablets, but some forums online seem to claim otherwise
I have that as well. I can confirm that it works.
is this pen compatible with wacom one?
It is not. None of the Wacom Pro pens are compatible with the Wacom One tablets.
dude... I am so mad
WHY wasn't there any marketing for this?!!!
all these years whishing that I could draw just like on newspaper and charcoal pencil on the cintiq..
I know! Someone commented they were able to find one. Good Luck you might find one!
Yes like I work in gamedev and from the at least hounded otker pro artist I know it was just one apart from me who even had heard about it. And she though it was just the nib that was diffeeenr. She did not knew about barrel rotation.
I actually started out with the Wacom 4D I think it was called which is the art pen but for intous 3 so well must had been 25 years ago or so. I lied that even better as the nib was wider. Basically it looked exactly as a typical wider marker pen.
whats the model number ?
KP-701E KP701 Art Pen
@@DigitalPaintingTips I can't find it anywhere.. sucks.
Is the 501 the same pen?
@@tedtalksrock no that's the grip pen... it's generic
I am loyal to my Wacom tablet only because of this pen. I can get much better deals and specs with Chinese products... but don't just because of this pen. It's great.
That’s exactly how I feel.
They are a Japanese company, however, all their products are also made in China.
Wait, their new pens have no barrel rotation? xD
Music?
I get all of my music through Epidemic Sound
that sucks! I've loved mine for ages...
good thing apple added this to their pencil pro.
super quiet and whatever sht you got going on at 0:06 was very uncomfortable
probably an issue with the recording, he couldnt edit it out so he added the thumbs down
But yeah that made my eyes hurt for some reason
This is great feedback! Thanks, I will definitely improve on this going forward.
Isnt this useless because the same thing could be achieved by simply rotating the canvas?
Yes, but it isn't the same thing.
@@DigitalPaintingTipsyes and just because you can achieve same things in different ways does not make make it useless.
I mean with this stance I could say crust canvas rotation is useless as I can rotate my arm or wrist right?
@@litjellyfish yeah well I just ordered one and it cost me 185, I'll use it on my cintiq 27QHDT. I'll see how it goes and if it's worth it or not
I saw some of them on ebay but theyre like $100.00 or more.
what? i'm drawing for 8 years and would love to know sooner that i needed to buy another pencil for it to work
After care service is terrible and highly overpriced. I had two and first time I needed help they were zero help. Now the market is flooded with pens they really struggle.
wait a second! The recent pens can't rotate?
Nope. Not even the new Pro Pen 3.
They never could. Only art pen could barrel roll
Well.. that sucks, I was getting hyped till I heard about the parts, going to stick with the "manual" software rotation then
The next video will show you 5 workarounds. But if you can find one, I would. Best of luck!
Apple has barrel rotation, Wacom is cooked.
its like 100$, right? i dont draw or anything, but am intrigued. should i bite the bullet and get one, just to be safe in case i decide to dabble with drawing? they are available-ish in my neck of the woods. and like i said, 100$. are there different models or? mine says art pen 4/5 something something. cheers.
The back of the package he shows says ART PEN but that looks like the GRIP PEN!
It's the ART Pen; they do look alike. But, perform very differently.
It looks like the new apple pencil has all this functionality.
Does he mean the GRIP PEN or the ART PEN? Cause I personally hate the ART PEN that comes with the wacom. The click button and thickness sucks
Art pen is different than the grip pen that comes with tablets
I think this works on Krita even with the regular pen
I gave up on Wacom years ago. I am happy with my huion
Meanwhile Apple is planning to incorporate barrel rotation into their new tablets and pen. I hope they destroy Wacom which would be better for consumers, because monotomy is a bitch,
Très drole, et ironique. Qui avons nous qui introduit la rotation sur leurs nouvelles machine ?... Apple avec leur "Apple Pencil Pro" et exclusivement sur les nouveaux IPADS (Air et Pro 2024) et pas sur les anciens Ipad qui sont encore très viable et performant (Puces M1 et M2). Et leur nouveau stylet (à plus de 130,00€) offre cette "nouvelle" fonctionnalité (en omettant de dire que ce genre de technologie était déja présente depuis presque 10 ans chez Wacom - ce que j'ignorais). Y a t'il des rapprochement et des accords sombres entre Apple et Wacom? Ce ne serait pas étonnant, je pense ! Les calendriers coincident un peu trop : "je sors mon apple pencil pro, tu arrêtes ton wacom Art pencil, pour que je vende mlieux mes tablettes qui depuis 2 ou 3 ans se vendent pas très bien"... Simple supposition
Pourquoi Wacom n'a pas fait évolué cette technologie (le Art Pen de chez Wacom est resté à 2048 niveaux de pression et de sensibilité alors que l'on est passé, chez XP Pen, à 16000 niveaux de pression cette année). Je pense que les clients de chez Wacom devraient être plus exigents au vue des prix pratiqués par le marque et faire pression plus encore sur cette entreprise pour quelle maintienne un haut niveau d'innovation quand elle possède des brevets de la sorte. Sinon c'est scandaleux!
I have one of those and I don’t even use it 😅
Easy way to dodge the "problem" is to switch between sharp and "flat" brush by pressing 1 button. It will be faster than rotate brush each stroke.
Iam now a pro or experienced drawer, but it seem obvious.
And if you want to twist it in a continuous stroke motion how do you do that with keyboard toggles? Have 10 hotkeys your press every 0.1 second?
@@litjellyfish you really can live without it
Now Apple reinvents the Art Pen🤣
Lmao!! I bought mine 20 minutes ago!!🤣
So apple copy this technology on the new apple pencil and they claim they invented this tool
Do they? I did not get any such claim in their video?
I don't know but i own a like 50$ tablet and the pen tilt and stuff just works (far better than my wacom) sooo ... a shame that most companies don't do stuff right from the start but use it to get more money .-.
but if one has the money to spare as an artist, congrats! :D
First time I heard of this and its being discontinued? lol nice marketing wacom
🤣
Overpriced wacom deinovating again. Soon there will be no reason to stick with this brand.
😂
Why, its Wacom closing its stores? Get an iPad M2 and an apple pencil G2 and problem solved! LOL And you have a powerful IPad for the next 5 years, no need of the new M4 LOL
you kind of sound like kermit, hope your pen lasts you many many years.
I am painfully aware!!😂
No thank you
lol
3d pen has been killed as well.
And what? I tell you what. Wacom just make new ArtPen...ArtPen3. Curtain. Stop clickbaiting!
This is untrue. They made a Pro Pen 3 which DOES NOT have barrel rotation.
Thank you for telling about this, I did not even know that this pen existed so this will be a game changer and probably allot more enjoyable drawing on my Wacom tablet. I manage to grab the last one from a net store I manage to come over that had it. Bit steep in price, but if it can make me use my tablet more then its worth it. 😅
Happy to help! I will make a video to show you how to configure your brushes for it. Give me a week. I’m finishing up another video and will do it. Congrats!!🎉
@@DigitalPaintingTips Ooh that would been so helpfull😄❤️ Looks like yt algorithm was on spot for a change with showing this video and your channel..I managed to check out a few more before I went to bed, and I really like them so am looking forward to seeing your new videos 😄
@@PigPancake Thank you and I appreciate you!
Don't you think this could be done at the software level? Well the problem would be if wacom would implement this in their software.
The next video will cover 5 workarounds.
Barrel rotation? No real one needs hardware that has this features.
model number plis
The art pen is KP701E2
Thank you you're awesome