@@TheWorldTeacher lol ...... the fact that you said God made us to be slaves is itself flawed ....... I mean in Christianity that isn't the case ..... we were all made to be the children of God , and he our father ..... that's what makes Christianity beautiful ....... I loved the way you ended the sentence by the way in hindi ... Cause Jesus said in John 14 : 6 " I am the way , the TRUTH and the life ....." Yeah so just like you said , let this TRUTH TRIUMPH 😁😁
And here I was thinking Barron was the best thing to happen in a long time. Then his inaction happened. He even contradicts himself while also quoting himself. He says we shouldn't calumny yet he chooses not to hack evil to pieces. Those two actions are described in two separate videos in his youtube channel. The first is about the Devil and the second is about the meaning of Violence in the Bible and HIS interpretation is that when we face evil we always TOY with it and never truly obliterate it. John Paul II call evil for what it was. I believe that is a Polish cultural feature, at least according to a Polish/American Jesuit Priest from Chicago who talks about John Paul II the Polish pope.
Wait!!! Are you sure you didn't conspire for the whole Taylor Marshall/Robert Barron debacle to happen? The pattern is well discussed here: ua-cam.com/video/TfsfnDujI1Y/v-deo.html
Bishop Barron has been incredibly influential in bringing me, my wife, my mother, and my father into Catholicism. He is a very gifted evangelist, and it's disappointing to me that so many over-zealous Catholics think that evangelizing has to be beating someone across the head with a hammer. Calm your zeal and let the Spirit work in people. YOU don't convert anyone; the Spirit converts. "You're going to hell unless you repent and join the Catholic church", is exactly the kind of thing that would have led me to shut the door in their face and look elsewhere.
“Daring to hope” is not the same thing as “daring to proclaim definitively” that all might be saved. Every single person is not without hope, and we should approach our evangelism with the confidence and optimism that every person is a potential recipient of the transforming grace of God
@@tomgreene6579 that is precisely the reason why there is Redemption....because of hell. The Holy Scriptures say that Our Lord Jesus Christ came to destroy the work of Satan...to bring us to hell AMDG SAG JMJ Semper Deo Gratias et Marie
Am reminded of what St. Faustina said.... most of the souls in hell did not believe that there is a hell. St. Padre Pio said souls finally believe that there is a hell when they are there Our Most Blessed Mother showed the Children Shepherds of Fatima the vision of hell. AMDG SAG JMJ Semper Deo Gratias et Marie
@Jaap Heemskerk yeah no Jesus went to the limbo of the Father's which was a part of hell that no longer exists but Judas Iscariot is in permanent hell.
Father Baron should clarify his position because many are confused. He's teaching the doctrine, but leaving many scratching their heads. Not everyone has a theological and philosophical acuteness. One thing is factual: people are confused ,, so he should indeed clarify his position . God is Mercy and Just .
Barron is a great teacher. We all have gifts-you will be judged on how well you use those gifts. Diverse gifts-one Spirit. We are not all evangelists. Gossip is a sin. I wonder how much of our knit-picking comes close to that. Bishop Barron is a hard worker. He explains the mysteries so indepth, I praise God for him. He's got a handle on love. He thinks thoughts others seldom touch. What a valuable asset to our Catholic faith! ✝️🙏❣
Even though you don't have to believe another personal revelation, I love when other religions have NDE or someone has a profound experience about someone outside of the chuch who died. No matter what the church teachers God has the last word always.
I am not a Catholic but I am a Christ follower. 50% of what I watch on UA-cam to learn more about Christ is catholic podcast. Protestants and Catholics alike are Christ followers. I wish all Christians would come together to make this world a better place. Thank God for Bishop Barron. He is one of my favorites. He feeds me in a way that a lot of protestant preachers do not. I just want more God in my life period! End of story.
There should be no shock over hope for universal salvation. This hope goes all the way back to the church fathers. St. Gregory of Nyssa comes to mind. A sophisticated understanding of hell tells you that everyone who is in hell actually wants to be there due to willful isolation from God. It is a logical result of free will. The hope and desire that all creation may come around to willful unity with God is a very Christian and loving sentiment.
And as free will is the sole cause of damnation, one is unsure as to how much effort God could or would use to turn the will towards Himself, or what He would consider coercive. Not to mention most people's wills - even the good people! - are motivated at least in part by bad reasoning. We're pretty stupid as a species. I someday would like to write a thesis about the evident stupidity of the human race and present it to God as evidence in defence of the salvation of at least most people.
The final choice is made in eternity. Hence it makes it eternal. Period! It doesn’t change once made. It’s why Lucifer nor the fallen angels will ever return to their glorious state! They made their choice in the eternal realm knowing the full truth.
To all those in this comment section claiming Bishop Robert Barron denies the existence of Hell. You ought to repent of the sin of calumny immediately and publicly. From his website: Does Bishop Barron deny that hell exists? No. Bishop Barron does not deny the existence of hell, because to do so would be to deny permanent and authoritative Church doctrine. He agrees hell exists and is a real possibility for every person. More at www.wordonfire.org/hope/
No, Barron does not say Hell does not exist, but he says that there is a reasonable hope that nobody goes there, which is practically the same thing. Jesus made it very clear at Matthew 7:13-14 that the vast majority of souls go to Hell.
@@uluvr1c3 I agree. It speaks volumes about egregiously Bishop Barron's critics have misrepresented his views that he has to explicitly say he believes in Hell for people to believe him.
Brandon Vogt so why won’t he entertain TnT? But he’s fine with Shapiro, Peterson, etc If he thinks he’s being misrepresented maybe he should go and clear his name with them. Would help his case much more. But like you responded on Twitter there’s no chance he will.
Bishop brings comfort. I am not Catholic yet I often listen to his interesting way of using story blended in a very sweet truthful voice. Clear,kind and loving way to lead and bring people to find peace. Anyone who does not approve of him can just move away. If God is what Bishop Barren says that is nice.
Finding Bishop Barron’s UA-cam channel is what brought me to Catholicism. He’s brilliant!! Those who dislike or criticize him are not able to understand and appreciate his knowledge.
Good that you're Catholic, but he's not God. "Those who dislike or criticize him are not able to understand and appreciate his knowledge." He is human and can make mistakes or poor decisions. Remember who to truly worship.
@@ThatIsWackSonhis is a very true point, and it seems to me that no statement was made to say Bishop Barron is God or infallible or should be worshipped. We are commanded to use our words to lift each other up. I could be wrong (and often am), but this comment in essence appears to me as a reminder to take appreciation of the Bishop's teachings despite issues or controversies - taking a one-sided view and never seeing the middle ground always leads to division, and we certainly don't need more of that. That said, criticism should never be suppressed and nor should the ability respond and correct oneself where needed. But I really like your point. Not enough people are saying it nowadays, even in the liturgy where Mass has on occasions become focused on ourselves rather than the True, Sacred, Divine sacrifice and worship to God alone. God bless you and all Catholics who are "figuring this out". 🙌
I agree. Fr Mike is a gracious servant. I love bishop Barron and pray the rosary with him everyday. I invite all to do the same his mediations are comforting and helpful.
I just listened to Bishop Barron again making his comments and I heard nothing heretical about them at all. He is a brilliant god serving evangelist of the modern era and his comments unite rather than divide. Thank God for him.
Thank you for this. I love the super self righteous heresy hunters on this page, who literally look got anything to slap that label onto. May God have mercy on them.
@@EC-rd9ys In context, that be would properly understood as all souls who are capable of being led to Heaven which would include all souls alive on Earth and all of the souls in Purgatory. Our Lady of Fatima showed the children the hell of the damned, which is full of souls that the prayer which she taught the children cannot be applied.
Paul Kelly, thank you, I'll add that verse to two others. "First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:1-4 "The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard “delay,” but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
A loving God not human is going to blame people in another country for not knowing him. Of course not. Blame someone for not telling them, maybe. But he doesn't have our pea brain. He's not human. He doesn't judge on human emotion.
Our parish priest who very reverence & has brought back many traditions back into the church, kneeling, on the tongue if want, no Altar girls, not afraid to speak the truth or EM etc. for Christmas he gave us “This is My Body” by Bishop Barron & for Lent Fr. Jay & the Deacon took it a step further & had classes & videos on this wonderful topic in the Eucharist. Many who are in the Traditionalism dislike him b/c he’s after VII & they don’t give him a chance & listen! Like Taylor Tim Kennedy Hall. If you have the book & not share who wrote the would all agree this is Catholic!!
I am not Catholic but I am interested. Whenever I visit mass I noticed that no one genuflects. Is this something that people no longer do? I remember trying it out and a lady behind me kind of nose laughed, like a sneer and I felt a little embarrassed
Bishop Barron is reaching the people who will never be reached otherwise. He is extremely articulate and courageous and I feel we need many more Bishops like him. You will never appeal to the intellectual elites staying safely " between Catholics".
Barron blocked @drtaylormarshall. He can't debate an intellectual of the church. Phoney infiltrated novus order modernist priests..that are simply not leaders..soft and unfortunately many are effeminate..most alpha men are simply not attracted to these priest or the church office lady run novus ordo parishes with the Peter Paul and Mary 1960s hippie jesuit music..sorry give me TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS
@@marypinakat8594 : In his book "Letter to a Suffering Church", Bishop Barron writes, "What does it say about the priestly resolve of the baptized in this country that 75% of us regularly stay away from Mass, that prayer which Vatican II describes as "the source and summit of the Christian life"? (pg. 91) Please explain to me why I am wrong in having believed that the Eucharist is the source and summit of Christian life? I was around when Vatican II made the changes, and I couldn't help but think "Well, we're all protestants now! Doesn't matter what denomination I choose." The only things that kept me in the Catholic Church were the Eucharist and the Blessed Virgin Mary. Was I wrong? Is the Holy Eucharist no longer the source and summit of our Faith?
@@michaelgetz6554 I will not believe anyone who says Vatican II is responsible for the drop in Mass attendance. If everyone stopped going to Church it could have been the cause. Why were the 15% not affected?
I am sure that Bishop Barron has saved many a soul for God. And I am also sure that Satan has a particular hatred of him for doing so. It occurred to me that the Evil One may have stirred up these controversies to discredit all the good resulting from the Bishop's work. I suggest we pray regularly for all our priests, and especially for our evangelists like Bishop Barron and Father Mike.
Bishop Baron is a coward ....he is afraid to tell the truth and shame the devil .....takes the humanistic way out ....all the time .....that my friend is heresy
Bishop Barron never said Hell is empty, he only said he hopes it is empty. My question is, why do all of you so adamantly hope that it is not? Don’t worry, I believe in Hell, I know how easy it is to be damned because I know how monstrous I am, what a terrible sinner I am. Maybe you should also keep in mind how terribly imperfect you are, how your heart is made of stone, while you accuse Bishop Barron of heresy while hundreds if not thousands have converted, some having left a life of atheism and come to the Catholic Church, because of his work. What do you think is worse, Bishop Barron hoping all will be saved (while stating very clearly that it’s entirely possible many are not), or people doing absolutely nothing other than polarizing and dividing Our Suffering Mother, the Church and Bride of Jesus Christ? Clearly heresy is a problem, but you need to pick your battles, and as good Catholics you should always err on the side of innocence, assuming that the person has the right intentions and that what they are saying can be properly interpreted in line with doctrine. Looking for heresy like a needle in a haystack is not the same as fighting against it. Don’t you know that when parents fight, the kids rebel against both rather than pick sides? You should never create scandal unless you seriously believe (and have the authority to discern such matters and take action) that the damages caused by scandal and division will be smaller than the damages caused by silence or subtle forms of action. You have all been undermining the authority of the Church by bickering amongst each other in public and making a debate club out of Our Mother. This is the sin of scandal, do not think it is not. There are plenty of ways to address these issues properly without creating scandal. Shame on us all for loving self-righteousness and finger-wagging rather than collaboration and true discernment. It would not have been that difficult for all of you to discern that creating scandal is the stupidest thing to do at a time like this in the Church. We already appear frail and divided, and that is precisely what is causing the decline in numbers of Catholics. It is not because the Church is too liberal, it is not because the Church is too conservative, it is because no two representatives of the Church seem capable of agreeing on anything, and we are utterly failing at presenting a uniform and united front. It is too divided; why would anyone trust such a divided institution that can’t seem to agree with itself on anything? What a silly generation, democratizing religion and thinking, thanks to social media platforms, that each one of us has an opinion that matters.
Boscos_box thank you for your comments. I think we agree on more things than you realize. First of all, I am aware of the dismal state of the Catholic Church in the West, in terms of hippie-like heresy becoming more and more normative. I’m not saying these issues shouldn’t be dealt with, I’m just saying that UA-cam scandals and debates are really not the best way to deal with these issues. For example, after my own conversion I was faced with the terrible confusion of figuring out who to trust. Videos like this don’t help, people pointing fingers at each other don’t help. (Regarding finger wagging, if you look back at my comment you will see that I wrote “shame on us all for finger wagging” since I was aware I am doing the same lol).
Boscos_box moreover, my point precisely was that this plethora of “opinions” is a problem. People who think they are more Catholic than the Magisterium, for example, are as problematic as people who think they are more Catholic than St. Paul. I also think it’s terrible that people set themselves apart from the Church as liberal or conservative or traditional. There shouldn’t be groups but unfortunately there are, and this grouping and dividing is definitely being exacerbated by social media. I simply believe that right now, the Church needs to be responding to these challenges with the intention of, let’s say... regrouping and figuring out how to become reunited and One under Our Head and Lord Jesus Christ, how to deal with this deterioration of hierarchy when it comes to ideas, teaching, and theology.... UA-cam videos of people calling each other heretics will do more harm than good. Especially when attacking someone like Bishop Barron, whose credibility is a crucial factor in one of the most effective, widespread, and publicized attempts at evangelization taking place today. Why would anyone choose to undermine the authority and credibility of someone who is of such high value to the Church? This is democratization right here, this is what is so terrible about people taking matters into our own hands: we fail to take into account the big picture and calculate appropriate steps considering the ripple effects of things. What is better and what is worse, the consequences of Bishop Barron’s video on Hell, or the consequences of the push-back against him? It is not for us to decide and answer that question. Edit: I say all this acknowledging that I myself do the things I am condemning. And I acknowledge that Matt Fradd and Father Mike May be trying to reduce scandal rather than increase it. I think I’m more upset at the people who are championing these crusades without necessarily having the authority to do so within Church Hierarchy.
Bishop Barron needs to be clear that there is a Hell period , that’s all Dr Taylor was pointing out ,hopefully Bishop will retract his comment and teach his children there is a Hell and anybody who is in a state of mortal sin can be condemned according to what Jesus says in the Bible.I would like to add I have heard bishop Barron talks on other topics and found it really good, unfortunately in our times with modernist watering down our faith we get a little nervous when we hear another comment which creates ambiguity
We already know that many souls are in hell. We don’t know who these souls are. Question bishop Barron, are there souls in hell? If he says no souls are in hell then he is in error.
@@ATLKing404 The idea that only baptized Catholics can go to heaven is not a teaching of the Catholic Church. Can non-Christians go to heaven? This is a complicated topic. To reject Christ is a grave sin. But, as with all sin, there are many things that can affect a person's culpability. For example, an aborted baby never had an opportunity to accept Christ. Does this mean that Christ will send all aborted babies to hell? Obviously not. You cannot reject something you have no knowledge of. For example, I personally hate broccoli. Some people like broccoli. But a person who has never heard of broccoli, or tasted broccoli, can not make a judgment either way. They are simply ignorant. Or suppose that my parents taught me that broccoli was dangerous. It could kill me if I eat it. This would make my acceptance of broccoli much more difficult. Similarly, a young child in Siberia who has never heard of Christ is in no position to either reject him or accept Him.
@@ATLKing404 I agree. I’m an Orthodox Christian who is fond of Catholic devotions. Please go to this website tlig.org. It’s about Christian unity where Jesus says “Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, you are the same in my eyes, you all belong to me.”. Amen to that! Actually this website is about messages that a Greek Orthodox lady by the name of Vassula Ryden has been getting from Jesus since 1985 and her writings have been examined by the Vatican.
"Dare we hope" is perfectly appropriate and captures the great mercy our lord has for his people. And Bishop Barron has been really clear and carefull to make his points without dismissing the possibility of Hell.
@Cortney Nicholson Yes he did and your point is? But he doesn't lead by saying X percent of people are going. He talks of the narrow path and the many goats separated from the sheep. But *many* doesn't mean most. The possibility is whether all go or not. Not the possibility of it's existence. Those who inform follow their conscience to the best of their ability are asking the internal voice of Christ for truth. When someone asks their father for something, does the father not provide the means?
@Cortney Nicholson if you actually listened to his video about it he didn't say that. His conclusion was that he believed that we can reasonably hope that all will be saved. This is why no single soul has been placed beneath prayer. The church has never said you cannot pray for any single soul. Clearly your position isn't more traditional than this one because no single theological opinion has been endorsed or condemned by the church with exception of Origin's complete universalism.
@Cortney Nicholson or maybe people are saved mentally from endless scrupulosity and the Radical Catholics pushing people away from the church by telling them they are going to burn in hell for things they don't even understand to be sinful. If God says to pray for those who persecute you, what is so unreasonable about hoping they will see mercy and salvation? Wouldn't that make us idk Christians?
@Cortney Nicholson I never said you did, you are emotionally reading things into it that I never said. When you implied I was believing the heresy of universalism I didn't respond with hurt feelings. I merely remarked that Catholics who are inclined to be very scrupulous, are pushed away by Catholics who subscribe to the Augustine side of the argument.
@Cortney Nicholson To get very personal with you, I am 25. My first 23 years of life I had abandoned the church because of many traditional types that would condemn me for my parents never taking me to church, eating meat on Fridays and every other little thing I didn't know or understand about the faith. When I met my wife I decided to investigate the church because she was Catholic. And after watching Bishop Barron's videos about this, his wisdom and mercy gave me a new look at the Catholic church and I was confirmed & first communion within 8 months. If "Dare we Hope" can convince a stubborn anti Catholic like me of mercy and bring me back into the fold, maybe God willing we can hope that all will have the same fate. We can hold onto the belief in the possibility and guarantee that if we die in a state of broken relationship with God we will meet our just punishment. But we can hope that All can mend that relationship especially those who don't understand the right path, that is why the last words of the mass are "go forth and share the good news in every you say or do".
I was a big fan of Bishop Barron but I was extremely bothered that he was unsure about exorcisms, given that being an exorcist is part of his office as a bishop. I saw him comment on this on 'The Devil and Fr. Amorth' on Netflix. Aghast that how can a bishop hold this view. I listen to TnT as well with the same caution as I do Bishop Barron.
Mari Therese Reyes why were you bothered by that? He was being humble by publicly admitting that he’s not spiritually sufficiently strong to conduct exorcism.
@@SowerOfMustardSeed that's not a good thing. We have a right to let him know to get up to date and spiritually strong...like he is supposed to be. A table with three legs is a useless table. A bishop that is not ready to g that against the devil seems to be .... let's say...not doing good or living up to his calling
Daniel Alexander what do you mean by “to get him up to date”? I’ve read Fr Amorth’s two books. It takes very much to be an effective exorcist. Not all bishops are made to be an effective exorcist. He realized his limitations and wouldn’t force his way, lest potentially causing more harm. It’s the bishop’s role to assign the best persons to be exorcists.
@@SowerOfMustardSeed I agree. I was speaking with a priest from Uganda, questioning him on why his particular Bishop does not exorcise such and such (the question was respectful and made sense to the priest) but the priest responded that the Bishop, as a typical Bishop forced to be an administrator, is not well disposed to spiritual combat any more. What if, in dealing with a difficult priest that day, he had lost some patience and had exceedingly scolded the priest, or some such pecadillio. Or if he had committed some other minor offence because he is so busy having to administer his Diocese and is in constant dialogue with constant opportunity to skip up, but with no time for fasting, praying and preparation. Our poor Bishop's need to delegate this role to a priest who is tasked with making this preparation. Maybe an ecclesia reform can repair this. After all, the Bishop is meant to be our pastor, not our manager
@@SowerOfMustardSeed if the head exorcist of the diocese thinks he is not effective, then his thinking is wrong. Only Jesus is effective in the exorcism. It's not an X-MEN thing. The office itself is effective because it's connected to God. However, reality is what it is...maybe a bishop is too spiritually weak...maybe there is something not proper within him and fighting Satan will do more harm than good. The bishop has the authority over the demon but he for whatever reason...can't use it...meh
So true. I made the same comment myself some time ago. Yes, he IS too careful. Maybe he’s too concerned about being liked and accepted by as many people as possible. But I like his logic, his knowledge and his skills to talk about difficult topics. Sometimes my feeling is that he doesn’t hit the nail on the head...
Too many priests are “nice” and don’t want to ruffle feathers. The Laity is begging fir strong priests who aren’t afraid to call it like it is. God bless Fr. James Altman.
I agree completely, that is why I unsubscribed from Bishop Barron and I am looking to different charities to donate instead of the Catholic Church. too much confusion w/ papa Francesco, and even father Goring defending the bishop. difficult times ahead.
One of the greatest dangers to the soul in the west today is some kind of opinionated narcissism. And I think you're falling for exactly that. Who are you to decide what's right or wrong? Vatican 2 was pretty clear regarding other religions, and even that should show you that there are no definitive answers, as much as you'd like to get them. That is why we trust in God first and foremost, and not ourselves. And if you really listen, knowing about God what you know, do you REALLY think that being a Buddhist, for example, means automatic damnation? Sure, hell is a real place that can be felt even in this life, hell is the place of being afar from the light of God, but who are you to decide who's there and who's not?
Fr. James Altman is one of the most narcissistic and dangerous preachers in the Church today. He uses the pulpit as his personal stand to air out his grievances with the culture. His preaching is more about regurgitating the Republican platform than it is about proclaiming the Living Word. To this day, I have never seen an example where he actually exegetes the readings. No thanks. I go to Church to be sanctified. We don't need Rush Limbaugh at the pulpit.
@@FlowLai Unfortunately, Politics need to be preached at the pulpit because the times call for it. But keep doing you and continue to live in ignorant bliss.
Bishop Barron is awesome 😎 he is bringing more people to Christ and the Church then all his critics put together. I’m a Protestant convert to Catholicism. People like his critics were obstacles to my conversation. Barron was brought me to the Church.
I'm really happy to hear this. I'm a craddle Catholic and I'm a bit tired of some Catholics always critizing, instead of praying and looking for points in common with others. It's discouraging.
Thank you, Matt and Father, for showing prudence regarding Bishop Barron. His zeal for souls' salvation is crystal clear and implicit in his work. If he believed that all people go to heaven, he would never have bothered to evangelize as he has. He also should not be expected to sit down and discuss these controversial topics with critics who have taunted him publicly, calling him Bishop Bobby, or with those who don't even attempt to give his motives the benefit of the doubt or try to see the good he has done in drawing many to consider Christianity who never would have prior.
People seem to really go hard on bishop Barron. It’s like people tend to go after him with 101% furry compared to someone like father James Martin. My thought as to why people are like this is because Bishop Barron is such a good shepherd to begin with. Any flaw is magnified 10x. Whereas with James Martin- he might say something heretical and our response is “well yes, of course. It’s Fr. James Martin.” What confuses me is that many people have grown to hate Bishop Barron all tougher. Somehow bishop Barron is now a full blown modernist, spouting heresy after heresy. I am drawn to a recent message by Michael Matt of the Remnant: “stop anathematizing each other and go at the real enemy.” Whether people want to admit it or not, I see Bishop Barron as an orthodox shepherd. I am also aware of the various faults he has.
Bishop has the higher office than a Priest, so by that nature alone, we should desire complete authenticity on behalf of the Princes of the Church. Bishop Barron has had a couple public mishaps that I can recall that are due a public clarification. For starters the Balthazar comment as mentioned in the video, as well as the Ben Shapiro interview where he said Jesus is the privileged way, not the only way. As Matt Fradd and Fr. Mike have both said, yes he has done great work in evangelization as well as bringing forth a richness that stems from the tradition of the Church. However, it's legitimate form of fraternal correction to publicly correct an individual when the error was made publicly.
I can tell you what he said. I thoroughly challenged Barron on this garbage to the point that he disabled comments on his "hell will be empty videos" Not because imflammatory comments were constantly being made but because I made him look stupid using scripture and the words of the Saints. But his response to someone about Fatima was to attempt to discredit at least part of Our Lady's message by saying "you don't really think Hell is in the center of the earth do you?" Minute 4:40 of this video applies to B. Barron
@@desperado77760 with a comment like the one you just wrote im seriously in doubt that you made bishop barron look stupid. His videos also never say hell will be empty so you should be ashamed that you are going around spreading nonsense like that. ua-cam.com/video/h6wTQ6xbVnQ/v-deo.html watch his explenation and tell me what is uncatholic about it?
Yet Mother Mary will teach us to pray the Fatima Decade Pray (O My Jesus), "... lead ALL souls into heaven ...". Somewhere in the cacophony of doctrinal dissonance lies the lost doctrine of the preexistent soul. Deny all you can without calling Our Lady of Fatima heretical.
Thank you for this one! Bishop Barron does so many things beautifully and he is fascinating to listen to - BUT - as TnT pointed out, people need to know where the problem is, and to be warned about it. Thanks to them, people do now know, and I'm still hoping that B. Barron will correct what he has said. It would be different if he were not a bishop... Thank God He has made His Body to have many parts!!!
Matt, listening to this reminded me of Luke 6: 39-42 ( Friday's Gospel reading) I am no where near the level of Dr. Marshall or Bishop Barron. But I periodically have to keep myself in check when trying to evangelize to my protestant peers not to sound critical or condescending. We all have our own technique to bring people to the true faith but like Fr. Mike said it shouldn't hurt to give constructive criticism. Love your videos and all Catholic youtubers.
@@domhamai oh heal yourself! Not one Catholic idolises or worships statues. Your fire and brimstone protestism and trolling Catholics must be exhausting.
Do you guys realise you're not defending Bishop Barron at all? Your criticism of his statements is just as clear and unequivocal as Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon's, and rightly so. The difference is that you, Matt, seem to appreciate Barron's style or pastoral approach or personality a little more than Taylor and Tim, but even that is only true up to a point: I've heard Taylor and Tim say very fair and even positive things about Barron, and to my knowledge none of their criticism has ever been based on anything not strictly doctrinal. Maybe you should apologise for insinuating that they have decided to make him their "enemy" ... (?)
A good Bishop should have a strong head! xD It,s better if Bishop get really drunk after celebrating a really good, victorious and hard beating of the enemies of the Church... That the one that is allways nice&sober but also week, PC, heretical and not stand with HIS Sheeps when wolfs are bitchin about stuff not relevant to the Salvation, throwing false and worthless accusations. Good Bishop STANDS OUT and tell the hard Way, never using nice worldly speech. After that the Sheeps praise God in SOOOO MAAAANY Holy hymns and prayers, that they got totally holly wasted. That leads to divine inSpiration by God himself. Gratefull Sheeps invite THEIR Bishop to do some vodka shots for the greater Glory of God!!! And for some relaksation before the NEXT WAVE. Unfortunatelly we got the nice guys insteed... Sorry for my english.
@@NoseyYolanda I know one priest who is an exorcist. It's a holy man and he has a bottle of vodka on the shelf for a special ocasions :-) After morning exorcisms he flush a MONSTROUS dump into the toilet. I always imagine that he swallow all those demons into his EPIC belly to torture them in his stomach acids for the greater Glory of God xD And that he use pizza as a bait (he eat pizza on pizza bakery called "Omen" ) XD And today I go to him for a confession :-)
I know Mother Angelica would not appreciate what Bishop Barron has said, or didn't say. It is just not a complete teaching. People need to hear the whole truth in order to rectify their behavior. A luke warm or soft soap answer doesn't help anyone. On their own people will choose to sin, this answer does not help the sinner to see the truth and change his/her behavior. Sin keeps us from Our Savior! A Bishop is doing a disservice to the people he is required to help when he does this. The good Bishop has been confronted & has not clarified his response. I can't tell you how many priest's when asked about Hell would rather talk about HEAVEN. Please may I remind you, if the meaning of HELL is lessened, the reason Jesus died for our sins to give us Eternal life is also lessened!!! It is nice to share any number of stories where a person was moved in some good way after having contact with the Bishop. I am more concerned with the numbers of people who have fallen away from the church over the years due to extremely weak CATECHISM by Bishop Barron! The problem is he won't/hasn't come forward to clarify his response. The upset over this will continue until he does!! Why won't he?
I definitely agree! Bishop Barron has his followers and I don't begrudge anyone who believes in his eloquence of speech but after listening to may of his UA-cam videos and listening to some of his followers "parrot" most of what he teaches I started to REALLY listen and it turn out to be the same nuanced ambiguity that is so prevalent in some of the parishes I used to attend. After taking Bishop Barron's advice on his pick for good 20th century writers like Thomas Merton and reading Seven Story Mountain and A Search for Solitude, etc., it dawned on me that this guy had gone the way of "Eastern Mysticism" and that was all it took to trash his books. Matt Fradd can accuse people of CALUMNY but that only leaves the door for me to accuse him of complete STUPIDITY!!!
K Scheuerman, More comfortable to wake up the dead than to make sure that what one is speaking is the best possible? Excellent example of how a whole lot is just following the crowd without even checking what is the crowd all about. Please know that Bishop Barron has indeed clarified. He has done more than that.
@@marypinakat8594 Too bad you were not very specific on exactly what he said in his clarification. If you did it would be clear if you know what you are talking about. To be straight up honest, all Iv'e seen him do is skirt the issue and decline or ignore invitations for interviews offered to clarify. He was invited recently to clarify with Dr. Marshall & Timothy Gordon and The invitation was taken down. WHY? Maybe you should watch Bishop Fulton sheen to see how it really should be done, especially in these times!!
Luke 13:23-24 [23]Someone said to him, 'Sir, will there be only a few saved?' He said to them, [24]'Try your hardest to enter by the narrow door, because, I tell you, many will try to enter and will not succeed.
From the Lord's Prayer: "...Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done..." Also from the Bible: "First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:1-4 And: "The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard “delay,” but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
@@brucebarber4104 I definitely agree with what you say,but the Bible does make mention of all being save,and I don’t ignore those words .I have a feeling all will be eventually saved even the dammed,but I’m not God and don’t know.My advice to anyone is to live a holy life,live for God and love others the best you can and trust in Gods goodness and love after that.Thanks for the reply!
Barron's comment is unclear on purpose just like Francis's comments. How can that be defended? His comments on the Ben Shapiro show were just as unclear. It's not just one statement.
Bishop Barron has stated over and over, and has clamped down on the view that there is a hope that all men can be saved. This is in direct opposition to the words of Christ, St Paul and the teaching of the Church. So in other words what the bishop is holding to strongly, despite the continual Church teaching, is heresy. He may be a very nice guy but when you stubbornly hold a heretical position on Church teaching - you can legitimately be called a heretic. If someone is a heretic, than it is legitimate for someone to call out your heretical view. In addition if you hold an heretical view on something so essential to the Faith ( a chink I the armor so to speak) then you may hold other errors as well. And you can be a danger others faith who may believe you more because of your charisma over the actual teaching of the Church.
Here's an idea for those eager to condemn Bishop Barron... a really traditional, orthodox idea: You don't judge your superior. This comes from Christ, and the Fathers. If you want to judge the merit of the statement or actions, do so in truth and charity.
The man has dedicated his entire life and considerable talents to the Church and spreading of the Gospel. Show a little charity, folks. If you disagree with the way he characterizes a certain teaching, politely engage him. He has proven that he is perfectly willing to do so. No one is perfect. Cut this holy Bishop some slack.
@@think2146 I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but we are all perfectly created by God. So in a sense we are all perfect. However, God has given us all free will and we humans have unfortunately chosen to fall from that state of perfection.
@@janethilger9781 And there you see he/she is just a stupid as we are . There was no need to give us free will that I can see . Unless of course it was simply for his/her enjoyment .
@@think2146 what is love if you cannot choose to love? Slavery? God gave us freewill so we can choose to love Him. He does not want to force his hand because he loves us. You and I have a finite mind and we won't understand the joy we would miss out without our freewill. God does enjoy seeing us choose Him, but he is equally hurt when we reject Him.
I used to kiss the ground Bishop Barron walked on until I did my due diligence and research. My conclusion is that Bishop Barron is a Vatican 2 acolyte , that he is way to modernistic, and pulls too many punches. When he told Ben Shapiro who I do admire and pray for, that Catholicism was the privileged way to Salvation , I Knew the Bishop was a Modernist and in my opinion did a grave disservice to Ben Shapiro. Why did all the missionaries to the New World give their lives in Martyrdom in their attempt to bring the Indians into the Catholic Church, if they only knew those souls could be saved outside the Catholic Church. Were they FOOLS ? “Extra Eclessia Nulla Salus “ please forgive my Latin for Outside the Church there is No Salvation.
Ok, so, yes, this is exactly what I've been trying to say! And he beats around the bush , instead of being straight forward to the homosexual people as well. They need to know that if they do not leave this lifestyle of sin, the ones that are sexually active, they risk losing their soul. They need to be properly instructed and Bishop Barron didn't do that. He doesn't want to offend. He gets grief from us because he is in the position of being in the publics eye and can spread the Good News of the Gospel on national television and online and people will respect him and look up to him, but then, the entire lgbt community will despise him for his stance on this, not to mention he is buddies with James Martin. Well if he is a Catholic priest, his stance needs to be that of the Catholic Church. He doesn't want to "offend " anyone, but he offends God instead. This makes no sense. And when talking to Ben , or that homosexual man that interviewed him, he just doesn't tell it like it is. Sin is sin and when in sin, heaven is not an option. I mean, that is what the Church has taught for over 2000 years. And when folks like myself stand up against error, we are called extreme right wing trads, or something. ..... the sins of modernism, secularism, and relativism have seeped into the Church and, well, I guess there are those who just don't see it. They are in denial about this. I guess all I can do is pray for our church and the body of Christ!
@@tomthx5804 (1) Vatican II was not an infallible council. While it was going on the council fathers said over and over again that this was a "pastoral" council only. (2) Vatican II did teach some heresies, such as strongly implying that non-Catholics can be saved without converting.
@@GeorgePenton-np9rh thank you, I'm am praying for this Tom fella, because he calls us imbeciles...... Seriously? ???? Apparently he is the one who does not know his Catholic Faith and I would say ,unfortunately, it is due to being poorly catechised in the aftermath of Vatican ll. Perhaps he is blind to the heresies of modernism, secularism, and relativism that are seeping into the Church. To fully understand the corruption in the Church today, listen to Michael Voris on his Church Militant UA-cam channel!
bishop Robert Barron helped to answer basically all of my questions about catholicism. I probably would have left to become a protestant if it weren't for him. I would be pretty happy if he became pope.
Am not gonna say that Bishop Barron is bad wlth everything that he does . But let's be honest with ourselves hes a modernist who looks up to Balthasar . Who was extremely heretical . Not to mention he wrote the forward to a book about Tarot cards
@TruthSeeker75 Vatican II was not at all heretical. have you even read the documents from it? it is an incredible work of faith and it was meant to make catholics more efficient at evangelising but it got misunderstood.
@TruthSeeker75 well while I don't agree with some of the things you have claimed are heresy, you did make a good point with the pope Pius quotes. I still think that muslims and jews believe in the same God even if they have a warped view of God. I'll look into more articles of Vatican II.
@@louisleycuras8357, ignore truthseeker75, it is a 3 month old troll account. The person behind the account is a sedevacantist who rejects Vatican Council II and every Pope after Pius XII. Such people have incurred a latae sententiae excommunication. A search of the phrase 'sedvacantism heresy' will include a link to an article entitled, "Can you be a Catholic and a sedevacantist?" from the Canon Law Made Easy website that will aid your research. God bless.
Fr. Schmitz is excellent in his responses to things like this; concise and to the point. I'd be excited if His Excellency, Bishop Barron, would converse with TnT at some point in the future too, like you guys mention here. Bishop Barron is not an enemy, nor is TnT. The key is to have these conversations to "bridge the gap" between various Catholics, much like you, Matt Fradd, have tried to do with Michael Voris and Timothy Gordon, who are both excellent faithful Catholics. We need dialogue so that we can understand the Faith better ourselves. But certainly to refuse this dialogue and not converse with people who are only trying to defend the Faith, is harmful. Looking forward to their (TnT's and the Bishop's) conversation to clear this thing up!
Aurelius Augustine H. TnT are very close being schismatics and by attacking Bishop Barron, the Pauline Mass, Vatican 2, Pope Francis, writing the book Infiltration which peddles conspiracy theories, they are going off to the fringe and disconnected from the Holy Catholic ( Universal) and Apostolic Church we profess in the Nicene Creed.
Tnt has reached out to bishop Barron but the bishop removed their online invitation for a chat. You can look up tnt bishop Barron to hear them talk about it
@@bpcathcrusader4952 Did you listen to the entire video with Father Schmitz? It is charitable (far from schismatic) to correct people when they are wrong, especially those with influence such as His Excellency, Bishop Barron. With regard to the New Mass, Vatican 2, and His Holiness, Pope Francis, TnT criticizes only those things that are "un-Catholic" or could be seen as hostile to that Faith (such as erroneous statements). This would include desecration of Altar rails in the name of Vatican 2, or the use of Extraordinary Ministers of Communion even when they're not needed. These things are in fact counter to the Church's teaching, but have been pushed by people who misinterpret Vatican 2. With regard to Infiltration, there are actually renowned Theologians and Cardinals who agree with some aspects of the book - would you care to site anything specific in the book that you found obviously false? In that case I would have to do my own research. But it seems to me you may be trying to smear a few good Catholic Theologians (TnT), which would be unfortunate and rather uncharitable.
@@bpcathcrusader4952 there are no conspiracy theories. Michael Voris can prove this he has made videos showing all of the conectioms. Bella Dodd was a communist spy and helped homosexuals infiltrate the priesthood to destroy the Catholic Church. Also, the Freemasons want to destroy the church. They have infiltrated. There is a Catholic Lighthouse CD all about the Masons. And the war in Mexico in the 1920s happened when the Freemasons killed thousands of Catholics Saint Maximilian Kolbe faught the Masons. All of these things are true and they have been proven. Read what Pope Leo 13th had to say about the Masons. They have especially infiltrated the Jesuit order. God help us!
"Oh, my Jesus. Forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of hell. LEAD ALL SOULS TO HEAVEN, especially those in most need of thy mercy." Hope is a theological virtue. We are commanded to hope. It is unbecoming of our Christian fraternity to point the finger at someone and declare them unworthy of heaven. That decision isn't ours to make.
We can all dare to hope hell is empty because we are proud to hope that everyone at their last moment has repented and embrace our Lord’s mercy one way or another. That’s faith, hope and love. But I agree that Bishop Barron should have a dedicated clarification WOF episode.
@ Silvester W. This is an idealistic hope. I hope all will think like you. My brother in law's dad died unreconcilied to the Church. Didn't have a Catholic funeral . Suggest he may not have reconciled to God too.
@TruthSeeker75 omg u honestly think that we objectively think that hell is empty? It’s a prayer to God. It’s a wish that we will all turn good. Don’t you get it? Omg
@TruthSeeker75 you still didn’t get it. “Dare I hope” is never a doctrine. It’s a wish. It’s a prayer to God. It’s an attitude that if we turn to God, everyone can be saved.
@TruthSeeker75 we dare hope hell is empty is a spirituality, rather than a doctrine. Jesus clearly said that many will not pass through the narrow gate. So it is a fact that many died and will die in a state of dispositioning themselves fundamentally misaligned with God, in other words “in hell”. So what’s the purpose of this spirituality that we dare hope hell is empty? The significance is that this is to believe in the power, mercy and love of God that His plan is for everyone to be saved and no one is beyond salvation, even the monsters you mentioned, as long as they repent and accept our Lord before they die. This is the gospels. This is the good news we Catholics should bring to the world! What is the chance that Judas Iscariot, Nero, Hitler, etc. have repented and accepted our Lord before drawing their last breath? Very unlikely. It is because they dispositioned themselves in many ways contrary to God’s way all their lives. This “bad habit” - a habit of sin is never easy to overcome to say the least. So my opinion is that even if or when Jesus appeared to them just before they died, they would likely have grown more angry and repugnant to have found out that they had been wrong all their life. They would probably have been very mad with Jesus why have God made them that way. They would probably have blamed God that it’s not their fault that God didn’t make it clear to them. Et Cetera. Then they couldn’t help but to have freely rejected Jesus. Having said all this. The truth is I don’t know. No one knows except for God. And therefore I can still dare hope that hell is empty. It’s not a doctrinal or matter of fact statement, but a spirituality that strengthens our total reliance on God and our best effort to cooperate with God. I hope you understand now.
Bishop Barron is articulate, compelling, knowledgeable, and he wraps it all up in a Chicago swag that is thought-provoking, irresistible, and inspires one to learn more.
Oh dear! How can someone like Bishop Robert Baron get criticized is beyond me??!! He's doing so much great work. A true asset to Catholicism and probably understands theology more than most. Yet some people who think they know better. Do they know what the public image of Catholicism is like in the wider world?? Well, hes helping putting it right.
Well said...many know better than Vatican II and the CCC...ad the CDF...but these would be very informed folk who have their own private interpretations .
Bishop Barron strikes me as a highly intellectual person that is quite open to information and learning not just about the faith but about the world as a whole. He is effective because he doesn't build up walls. He isn't scared to pull in references from today's world to give examples or further explain the catholic position. There's two things. His abstractions are sometimes very theological, profound and require a mind attuned to that type of intellectualism. If you're not into very deep analysis and correlations, you may end up misinterpreting what he says. ALSO, as a species, we have a tendency to prefer the comfort of what is familiar and we surround ourselves with people who share our opinions and views. We end up living in a bubble (ie. confirmation bias). Any window to the outside, any introduction or study of an outside topic, any line of "modern" questioning is seen as the enemy. That type of behavior is contrary to the call to evangelize. In order to invite people in, you have to speak about things they are familiar with. Of course, always inkeeping with Church teaching. For one, I think Bishop Barron does a stellar job at that. His language is precise and he often uses words for their root meaning rather than the implied subtext society has tacked onto them overtime. His writing style is akin to scholarly journals. Also, everything Word on Fire puts out has great production quality. Something more catholic outlets should learn to do (*shutters at the cheesyness of some of our media) Overall, I have learned quite a lot from him and am grateful for his work. Pax domini!
Why does Bishop Barron need to be defended, wasn't he clear enough when he spoke to David Rubin on the Rubin Report on homosexuality, when he spoke about the "reasonableness" of most will be saved, when he is the "loudest voice in the room" about the corruption in the hierarchy? Do we need bishops in this time of need to be clear and concise as to the true teachings of the Church or do we prefer bishops that offend no one? It seems that saints like St Teresa of Avila, St. John of the Cross were clear in their writings and certainly St Catherine of Siena didn't speak PC to the pope nor was St. Thomas More "wishy washy" with Henry VIII, imagine St Thomas Aquinas writing his Summa in ambiguous terms, and thie list goes on but NO, Bishop Barron needs his acolytes!
When it comes to Hell and hope for souls, I think we should accept the wisdom of the Church which has told us the way to salvation is narrow and that few find it, but also that we should have hope for all souls. I also don't think we need to divide with each other on this matter as we double down on both knowledge and hope. We need to pray and evangelize and do everything through Our Lady.
To divide the Church is to dismember the Mystical Body of Christ. Christ prayed that we might be one as He and the Father are one. Why do so many of us ignore this?
I assume you,re thinking you are one of those lucky few.. God sure wasted is time, I guess and has more regrets (think:billions of souls in torment for eternity) than Joys. Didnt do a very effective job for His Father, I guess.
Thank you so much for this! I was so confused and worried when I listened to another evangelist say that Bishop Barron was a heretic. I loved when you said, “find another enemy”.
I'm a fan of both Matt and Fr. Mike but this was frustrating because neither men have read Dare We Hope and both are critiquing arguments that neither the book, von Balthasar nor Bishop Barron make.
Matt Frad, you make a good point that T. Marshall should have a dialogue with Barron. However, the bishop has quite literally blocked him online and has explicitly said he refuses to give Marshall the time of day, even though Marshall has offered to have Barron on his show, etc. So, who's really not listening to whom here?
I don't suppose that anybody saw the Bishop say that Christ is the "privileged way" to heaven when speaking with a Jewish man. He was clearly inferring that the man could avoid hell without Christ. Christ himself expressly taught the opposite; "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." The Jewish man was very smart and nice, and overall a very good dude whom I'm sure God loves dearly. Why would Barron risk the man's salvation? Because he didn't wish to offend? Because he was unsure? Because he believes all good dudes go to heaven with or without Christ? I'm afraid he is going to have a very difficult particular judgement.
YOU: I don't suppose that anybody saw the Bishop say that Christ is the "privileged way" to heaven ME: What are you talking about, plenty of people saw it?
I love Bishop Barron. He is one of the main reasons I came back to the faith. He makes me want to be a better Catholic. The more traditional UA-camrs make the faith very unattractive. Bishop Barron makes me want to not sin and put God at the Center of my life.
N O I don’t understand your question. Lukewarm about what. I love my Catholic Faith. I have a ticket to go to a mass read by our Holy Father on the 12th of December and I can hardly wait.
So glad to see some level headed people here. Stay away from Taylor Marshall, lifesite news, one Peter five and church militant. It's the faith disguised.
Shower of Roses so true. One church militant article called a certain number of bishops the devil. Yes called them straight up the devil. These bishops were wrong in their teaching but calling them the devil. I'm actually embarrassed for church militant they're childish complaining disguised as hard hitting "faithful" news. Church militant used to be called a different name but they were ordered by their archdiocese to abandon the use of the word catholic in their namen
It amazes me that with the crisis that the Church in, which now in 2019 is so clear that it is literaly punching people in the face, there are still so many of you that have your heads buried in the sand. Imagine having so little regard for the truth, lukewarm indeed.
@Shower of Roses I empathize with the "rad trads" much of the implementation of Vatican II was hijacked by modernists. That is a fact. If you want to see what Vatican II had in mind for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass watch EWTN. Vatican II did not call for the eradication of Latin or Gregorian chant. Yet the liturgists of Western countries did just that with the bishops approval. Communion in the hand was forbidden as a discipline because the Church wanted to emphasize the HOLINESS of the Blessed Sacrament. European bishops ignored this prohibition to the point where Pope Paul VI allowed ot so as not to have the majority of Communicants doing a disobedient act. Communion rails were torn out of Churches . Beautiful artwork was replaced by minimalist abstract or ugly art. Once the priest faced the people (verses populum) , he suddenly became a comedian not another Christ (alter Christus) where Christ offers Himself to the Father through the ministry of the priest in expiation for the sins of the world.( This offering is more visibly clear when the priest faces the altar.(ad orientum). Instead, the priest would crack jokes in middle of Mass.(The embezzling and sodomizing pastor used to do just that.) Then the inclusive language began out of disobedience and eventually found it's way into the liturgy. Some priests continue to be disobedient and change the words of Eucharistic prayer IV from "a Man like us in all things but sin" to " a person like us in all things but sin". This promotes the heresy of Nestorianism which the Coucil of Ephesus condemned in A.D. 431. To correct Father Feminist : Jesus is a Divine Person. NOT a human person. I could go on and on but I hope you don't just blow off people's ligitamate concerns as Rad trad.
Much of this is over my head- I’m 52 yo - late to the game - but becoming increasingly Catholic. Robert Barron has had a huge positive influence on me. I didn’t know he had so many detractors…?
I don’t think there’s such a thing as being “too late” to the faith. We all grow and learn at different paces. I converted to Catholicism at 18 and 50 years later still learning. ❤️ As long as we continue saying Yes to God it’s all part of His plan. Bishop Barron, Fr. Mike Schmitz, Fr. Calloway, and Matt Fradd are terrific people to learn from. Years ago I’ve even attended several RCIA classes and now I take Bible studies through Ascension Press. We are all a work in progress.
TnT did a review of this conversation today. It's very balanced, professional, mature. My take away is that filial correction is not "picking another enemy". Correcting error is a Spiritual Work of Mercy. In the Legion of Mary I learned that misguided human respect leads souls to ruin.
Didn't Bishop Barron say that there is a reasonable hope that all will be saved? Is this not very close to Origen's error? Didn't Jesus say, at Matthew 7:13-14, that only a few would be saved? Bishop Barron may be a smooth and polished speaker but Arius, Montanus, Pelagius, Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli may have been smooth and polished speakers too. I have heard that Arius in particular seemed to all who met him a very ascetic and saintly man. Bishop Barron is also a big supporter of ecumenism. No surprise there. Since we're all going to be saved anyway you might as well choose the easiest religion out there.
St. John Vianney, St. John Bosco, Fulton Sheen, St. Peter Damian, Saint Augustine, St. Mary of Egypt, St. Catherine of Siena, St. Aloysius Gonzaga, pray for us.
The Little Number of Those Who Are Saved by St. Leonard of Port Maurice Saint Leonard of Port Maurice was a most holy Franciscan friar who lived at the monastery of Saint Bonaventure in Rome. He was one of the greatest missioners in the history of the Church. He used to preach to thousands in the open square of every city and town where the churches could not hold his listeners. So brilliant and holy was his eloquence that once when he gave a two weeks' mission in Rome, the Pope and College of Cardinals came to hear him. The Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin, the adoration of the Blessed Sacrament and the veneration of the Sacred Heart of Jesus were his crusades. He was in no small way responsible for the definition of the Immaculate Conception made a little more than a hundred years after his death. He also gave us the Divine Praises, which are said at the end of Benediction. But Saint Leonard's most famous work was his devotion to the Stations of the Cross. He died a most holy death in his seventy-fifth year, after twenty-four years of uninterrupted preaching. One of Saint Leonard of Port Maurice's most famous sermons was "The Little Number of Those Who Are Saved." It was the one he relied on for the conversion of great sinners. This sermon, like his other writings, was submitted to canonical examination during the process of canonization. In it he reviews the various states of life of Christians and concludes with the little number of those who are saved, in relation to the totality of men. The reader who meditates on this remarkable text will grasp the soundness of its argumentation, which has earned it the approbation of the Church. Here is the great missionary's vibrant and moving sermon. ua-cam.com/video/j0t-rc2eF6E/v-deo.html
peace be with you Bishop Barron was a respected teacher amongst Catholic. This is what makes His Excellency comment so terrible. It is far more dangerous to Catholics to have a respected bishop teach false than a protestant teacher we know teaches false. His does not merely say " Dare we hope" but that "we may reasonably hope that all people will be brought to heaven" There is no evidence for this hope. We may hope for this and pray for it because God wants all me to be saved (2 Tim 2L1-4) but it is no a reasonable one given Jesus's teaching. People have heard the truth from him and will assume this is true. This teaching is as bad if not worse than "faith alone" because it does not even have the requirement of believing in God. Both have a fruit of apathy to love and obedience. And whereas indeed he was the Son of God, he learned obedience by the things which he suffered: And being consummated, he became, to all that obey him, the cause of eternal salvation. (Heb 5:8-9) Bishop Barron has become the banner around which universalist gather to tell us there is no hell. And do not dismiss the carrot and the stick so lightly, Jesus seem to use this in Matt 25:31-46 When I left a comment on His Excellency Bishop Barrons page about the dangers of this teaching he flippantly dismisses me saying He will stop teaching it when the Church stops asking him to pray for it. When I asked him is the Church telling him there is a reasonable hope of it he stopped answering. It is though they what Christ teaching we must find our hope, not in invented ones. Bishop Barron needs to correct this teaching. Please pray for me God bless you
PS thank you Matt Fradd and Fr. Mike for bringing it up. I’ve seen Bishop B on Pints With and Heard Fr. Quote him. I’am glad you both brought it up in such a kind way!!
Also, a bit of intellectual honesty is in order here. No one knows where anyone is going, nor the exact criteria for getting there. I really wish people would stop speaking so authoritatively on these things. Men like Bishop Barron and David Bentley Hart, who are intellectual giants in the field, are at least honest enough to admit that they don't know. What we need less of are these moral judgments on strangers. Let he without sin in his heart cast the first stone.
You are correct to say you don't know as long as you admit you have no faith. The problem is those who claim faith in Christ are also claiming that we don't know where most souls go. Christ said many are called but few are chosen.
@Juan Flores We certainly cannot judge others whether they make it to heaven or not. We can only hope that we get clear directions from those who have been blessed to enter the vocation of the priesthood and help us get there. I do not get that from the Bishop. He is eloquent, rich in information, impressive in knowledge, able to relate to modern thinkers but those are not the function of priesthood. I do not feel his pastoral side. I am just in awe.
Bishop Barron could help remedy the situation by accepting Taylor Marshall’s interview for a debate/dialogue. However, Bishop Barron’s unjust critique of Dr. Marshall’s latest book leaves me little room to dare to hope that this debate will actually happen.
I pray for you Fr Mike, people like bishop Barron are placing themselves above Jesus and the saints. Please never water down the Gospel because a Matt Fradd wants a certain answer. Even if hell is a reason for people to stop sinning, it’s a good thing rather than Barron trying to cause laxity. Our Lady showed the Fatima children hell, so it’s definitely real. Barron goes against the Bible and our Lady’s messages, he is teaching heresy. Three times in his video Barron said he believes many are going to Heaven. Please explain to yourself how a regular joe who never breaks a law and doesn’t do much in life is going to heaven when saints like mother Theresa and her kind spent their entire lives living for the Gospel? Doesn’t Jesus say, the way is narrow that leads to life and you should strive hard for it. Barron probably takes in every stranger that wants to enter his house, but he is not a holy God. The Bible says no filthy thing shall enter the house of God, a mediocre, average tepid person should know what God says. He will spit you out for not being hot or cold. God has told us that many will say, that they preached in his name and did great things. Notice, “many” and he will reply get away from me you evil doers!!!!! Now when you are convinced that Barron is correct, ask him to explain away Jesus.
Reading for Monday, September 16 from 1 Timothy 2:1-8. "God...wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth." St. Paul's exhortation that we all pray "lifting up holy hands, without anger or argument." It is also true that Christ wept over Jerusalem knowing that not everybody would accept the salvation offered.
Bishop Barron is a brilliant man , I have learnt much from him, Dr Taylor Marshall is also a brilliant man I have learnt alot from him. I would love to see these guys have a dialogue, to hash things out. A debate if you like.
I agree with Fr Schmitz. Dr Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon are not Bishop Barron's enemies, they are trying to help him with a filial correction of where he is in significant error. They are correcting him with overwhelming respect, I might add, if you listen to their video on it. They have respectfully challenged him to debate and discuss the differences. When you have someone who knowingly contradicts not just Aquinas, but both Aquinas and Augustine, you may want to check their logic rather than promulgate it.
Having read Balthasar's book, I feel compelled to mention that it BEGINS by saying we will all be judged. That is not a "get out of jail free" card by any means. We will be judged. For all their professed piety, Taylor Marshall & Timothy Gordon (neither of whom hold degrees in Catholic theology) will be judged - and who is to say what sins they will need to answer for to Jesus? Balthasar never lets you forget that Hell is a reality. However, his careful examination of Biblical and patristic sources makes it clear that it is God's will is that all will be saved. That is a powerful force to reckon with, and hard for any person to thwart, but it is possible. God will not force Salvation on us. We can still land ourselves in Hell. The key to Balthasar's analysis of the words spoken by Jesus in the Gospels is to distinguish between the pre-resurrection and post-resurrection message he delivers. If you proof-text without attending to the, context, and treat it all as the same, you are tacitly implying that Christ's sacrifice on the Cross had no merit - that the world did not fundamentally changed on Easter morning.
I feel like everyone has lost their mind. Why twist Jesus words. This is why people leave the church. Yall dont get it and it sucks. I was in ministry for a long time and I have seen how people leave the church once doctrine on hell is diluted. Being positive only goes so far.
"Daring to Hope" is a very catholic thing to do, in my opinion. Judging is solely up to God. Love BB & love Fr. Mike, too. And of course, Matt, as well.
" Dare to Hope" isnt the right sentiment. We know not all people go to heaven. The church says this in her Councils, and even Jesus says it in the Bible. Its a stupid sentiment, and its not realistic.
I listen to all you guys. Bishop Barron, the converts, the rightwingers, the ordinary guys, basically I'm a catholic Catholic. Some people think we are chaotic. I believe that if you stay within the boundaries of the Church, you can find your own space. Your own niche if you will. God bless.
@@pattyocadiz6614 What Fr. Schmitz and Matt Fradd are saying is give credit where credit is due, and correction where correction is due. Prudence would not say to throw the baby out with the bathwater. However, the bathwater does need to be changed out.
Thank you @Simple Living. I appreciate your comment. Our Catholic Church is in a horrendous state. We all need to be praying the Rosary. We need to be in a State of Grace...the Holy Spirit will grant us DISCERNMENT...to know who is actually preaching God's Truth. Mother Mary help us! Amen.
@Matt Fradd Bishop Barron is wrong on the hell thing he said but he is really a babe compared Fr Robert Kennedy who has gone Buddhist and installed Dharma successors or Fr James Martin who has gone against Church teaches or Fr Arturo Sosa, head of the Jesuits who denied the devil's existence or clergy men who have gone rogue 1. Cardinal Vincenzo Paglia 2. Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio 3. Cardinal Cupich 4. Cardinal Philippe Barbarin 5. Cardinal Francisco Javier Errazuriz 6. Cardinal Joseph Bernadin 7. Cardinal Godfried Danneels 8. Cardinal Luis Ladatiq Ferrer 9. Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez 10. Bishop Jose Tolentino Mendonca 11. Bishop Gustavo Zanchetta 12. Bishop Michael Bransfield 13. Fr Arturo Sosa Abascal 14. Fr Matthew Schneider 15. Fr Robert Kennedy 16. Fr James Martin 17. Fr Michael Guimon 18. Fr Daniel Montalbano 19. Cardinal Timothy Dolan 20. Cardinal Donald Weurl 21. Bishop Joseph Hart 22. Archbishop John Nienstedt 23. Bishop Richard Malone 24. Fr Quentin Dupont
That was my experience. I tried to ask for clarification on Ben Shapiro's show on why a Jew should convert, of which the bishop gave Ben no clear answer. Bishop Barron only told me I was wrong on it and gave no direct response, ignoring me and choosing to answer someone else in my same thread. Put not your faith in princes, I guess.
When Shapiro asked him if he thought a Jew could be saved, Bishop Barron could have said something like "pray for the truth" instead of directly saying no. But giving him an unqualified yes makes Barron an indifferentist.
I was a fan of Bishop Barrón but then saw a few of his videos especially when he’s speaking with Ben Shapiro. He’s a very smart man but very modern. I’m a simple man and love the traditional Catholicism where there is no icing on the cake.
His Shapiro interview was terrible. The following week Shapiro had on a Protestant minister, who had no problem at all speaking the Truth about Salvation through Jesus alone.
you would like him to just hit people on the with the Chatechism? thats called not having any sensitivity or common sense. Ive been Catholic all my life and am in no way liberal, and after watching his interviews with Ben shapiro i was impressed how well he spoke with wisdom but also truth. Absolutely, nothing wrong in those interviews.
@Surfdude12 1 he says salvation on whatever form is either knowingly or unknowingly through Christ. This is catholic doctrine, so again nothing new here.
@@lionheart5078 Sensitivity to what? Ben's brand line is "facts don't care about you're feelings;" should Barron not simply speak the facts then regarding Salvation through Jesus Christ alone? Or do you not think that factual?
I love you and your work, Matt! But I also love TnT and I have to defend them. I disagree that they have made Bp. Barron into their enemy. They have openly discussed why they disagree with the good Bishop’s opinions about salvation but they have been nothing but kind in their invitation to discuss this with him. Bp. Barron or his staff deleted their invitation on Twitter with no response whatsoever. So if you’re going to talk about this controversy, please be fair and balanced about it.
That’s fair. When I said “choose another enemy” or some such it made it sound like I was accusing TNT of viewing Barron as such which they do not. Thanks for the correction.
@@pintswithaquinas After all, the SHOW must go on ... For Taylor Marshall even Pope is an enemy and he went all the way to visit Pope Francis so that he could 'prove' to everyone that he has nothing against him. Coming back he was even showing everyone what kind of 'faces' Pope made even. Do we have to conclude these are mannerisms that Jesus wants his followers to adopt?
Just watch Bishop Barron videos ...they speak Volumes.... and are drawing teenagers and younger members of the Church ..who have left, dis affiliated or close to it..back into the Faith..my 20 year old Son Jacob is one of them...for that ..I owe Bishop Barron tears of gratitude ..coming to his defense is not needed
I know this was some time ago but..."The Lord persecutes those that He loves..." If Bishop Barron is so attacked, and mostly from the inside, it causes me to get to know him more and find the "fruits of the labour". "By their deeds you know them"...Word on Fire...
@@dominikpavelic5339 I think it is bible related, though I'm unsure of the scripture reference. It's not to say that God is masochistic, but allows us to be tested to see our true faith in Him. Suffering is one of those things. Many if not all the Saints experienced a "trial by fire" so to speak, (that is a reference from Daniel, when the three, including Azariah were thrown into Nebuchadnezzar's furnace...) Hardships can improve resilience and build character. God builds our characters much the same way. Ex: I want a house...I'm going to earn money, build credit, and save so that I can get the house. I finally get the house, but a pandemic hits and I lose my job, causing me to miss mortgage payments...I then pray for work and the end of the pandemic...etc. God doesn't want bad thing to happen to us, but He allows it, if He sees it making us closer to Him...
@@Eowyn3Pride, are these the Bible passages? "For whom the LORD loves he reproves, as a father, the son he favors." -Proverbs 3:12 Also: “My son, do not disdain the discipline of the Lord or lose heart when reproved by him; for whom the Lord loves, he disciplines; he scourges every son he acknowledges." -Hebrews 12:5b-6
@@brucebarber4104 it's the refiner's fire...not to be confused with masochism. It's the 'Eyre of the Tiger' so to speak. How does an athlete succeed? A lot of hard work, pain and sufferings but triumphs also. 'Fruits of the Labour' so to speak.
@@Eowyn3Pride, sorry, I was addressing the Scripture reference that you mentioned, "The Lord persecutes those that He loves." The two Scripture passages I referred to seemed similar to your quote.
Ashamed to see all the hate in the comment section. Very few people can hold a candle to to BB intellect, knowledge of church fathers, theology, and philosophy. BB is also a highly nuanced thinker and not just a knee-jerker. What he said has been highly misrepresented and also please keep in mind he didn’t just make it up out of thin air, he quotes Balthasar, who is a heavy weight theologian. Ofcourse anyone who is saved is ultimately saved through Christ. But for people to say all non Catholics are going to hell.. well I wish I had never been born into such a world. As a lapse catholic myself I struggle with many issues of the faith, chief among them a world where the set of conditions are most people going to hell. BB has done wonders to answer some of the hardest questions, again, in a highly nuanced way.
Balthasar is a Freemason who encouraged Catholics to partake in the occult (eg. How Catholics should be using tarot cards). If you side with Balthasar, you definitely are definitely opposed to the Church.
If you don't change your ways Hattori you will definitely be saying to yourself "I wish I had never been born into this world" You probably are a Freemason.
Balthasar was not agreeing with Origin but an objective reasonable hope that Christ Jesus descended all the way down to the Godforsaken ones in hell. Of course there are souls in hell and souls reject God's efficient grace of salvation because of free will and do not sufficiently grow in virtue to accept Gods mercy. So if God hopes that all men are saved, then why can't we? Do you get the objective stance?
They were not God forsaken. But could not be saved without Christs sacrifice. Do you not understand the multiple levels of hell ? I speak objectively of course ;) .
I find Fr.Schmitz's comments very disturbing here. Does he believe that Indians and other non-catholics are default going to hell? Or the majority? If so, that contradicts tradition from St.Justin Martyr to Lumen Gentium. Would love clarification here
Barron is doing the work of God. 🙏 He may have made some mistakes along the way but he’s definitely doing a good job of spreading the faith and engaging with the culture in a healthy
The problem is that he refuses to be corrected when called out. As they said, how many souls stray from God due to this heresy of “Reasonable hope that all men are saved.”
"In order to change the world we must see the world as it truly is. Not as we wish it was ." Pope Leo XIII Author of the Saint Michael Prayer Bad theology leads to BAD actions. Case in point, my former pastor had all the appearance of orthodoxy (Eucharistic adoration,May procession, Corpus Christi procession, 40 hours devotions, etc. He was arrested a year ago for embezzling $800000 from the All souls Remembrance envelopes over a number of years. He set up a private bank account and part of that money was used to but homosexual sex. It seems unlikely that he would not have done so if he feared the fires of Hell. In all likelihood he was taught in seminary "reasonable hope that all may be saved " theology. I know that it is private revelation but the children of Fatima were given a vision of Hell in which they saw HUMAN souls. Our Lady said to them, "You see Hell where the souls of poor sinners GO..."
But she still asked us to pray that God lead *all* souls to heaven, especially those in most need of His Mercy. You can't pray that in vain. That's what I heard from the bishop. He spent the whole first half of the video talking about how Origen was wrong for saying that all souls will be saved.
@@EC-rd9ys Of course we ask for the Lord's mercy for all souls. However , once a soul has chosen Hell there is no do over. That error in thinking was condemned by the Church years ago. I can't remember which council. That is a choice that humans get to make and it lasts FOREVER. This is why the phrase "reasonable hope that all men may be saved" is erroneous. It encourages spiritual acedia.("Why try to live a Holy and charitable life when in all likelihood I will go to Heaven anyway? ").
Bishop Baron loves to speak in ambiguities. He needs to clarify in light of orthodoxy, period. Fr. Mike sees nothing wrong with calling out Baron but Matt Fradd does. Just lost a bit of respect for Matt on this one. There’s no room for comfy conservatism in our time. Either commit to tradition or become a modernist. Silence is approval, remember that.
Doesn't the Church teach that we don't *know* that any human soul (including Judas) is in hell? And isn't it consistent with this claim to *hope* that no human being ends up in hell? Why, then, would the von Balthasar/Barron position on this issue be considered a heresy or even a borderline heresy?
Scripture says that Gods will is that all shall be saved...and Christ is our hope so...who are we to presume that God can not we everyone saved through us? I've learned to stay in my lane. I witness and leave the saving to Jesus. Great talk. Glad to catch this older one.
Bishop Barron blocked Dr. Taylor Marshall on Twitter, after Dr. Marshall asked to prove a section of Vatican II. I know that probably has nothing to do with this video, but it's just something that made me lose a bit of respect for the Bishop.
@ShariaFreeUK, I agree. I'm not too well versed in the dogma of the Church, but if Vatican II breeds priests, bishops, and even a Pope, that blocks or refuses to engage in conversation with anyone, especially a Catholic, then there's no room for it. Christ went to the sinners to teach them, not to score points or look good.
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You are great mate . God bless you
Why not become a "Dem progressive" operative?
@@TheWorldTeacher lol ...... the fact that you said God made us to be slaves is itself flawed ....... I mean in Christianity that isn't the case ..... we were all made to be the children of God , and he our father ..... that's what makes Christianity beautiful ....... I loved the way you ended the sentence by the way in hindi ...
Cause Jesus said in John 14 : 6
" I am the way , the TRUTH and the life ....."
Yeah so just like you said , let this TRUTH TRIUMPH 😁😁
And here I was thinking Barron was the best thing to happen in a long time. Then his inaction happened. He even contradicts himself while also quoting himself. He says we shouldn't calumny yet he chooses not to hack evil to pieces. Those two actions are described in two separate videos in his youtube channel. The first is about the Devil and the second is about the meaning of Violence in the Bible and HIS interpretation is that when we face evil we always TOY with it and never truly obliterate it. John Paul II call evil for what it was. I believe that is a Polish cultural feature, at least according to a Polish/American Jesuit Priest from Chicago who talks about John Paul II the Polish pope.
Wait!!! Are you sure you didn't conspire for the whole Taylor Marshall/Robert Barron debacle to happen? The pattern is well discussed here: ua-cam.com/video/TfsfnDujI1Y/v-deo.html
Bishop Barron brought me to Catholicism this past year. I am currently in RCIA and deeply grateful for his social media outreach.
How are you coming along in OCIA?
Bishop Barron has been incredibly influential in bringing me, my wife, my mother, and my father into Catholicism. He is a very gifted evangelist, and it's disappointing to me that so many over-zealous Catholics think that evangelizing has to be beating someone across the head with a hammer. Calm your zeal and let the Spirit work in people. YOU don't convert anyone; the Spirit converts.
"You're going to hell unless you repent and join the Catholic church", is exactly the kind of thing that would have led me to shut the door in their face and look elsewhere.
“Daring to hope” is not the same thing as “daring to proclaim definitively” that all might be saved. Every single person is not without hope, and we should approach our evangelism with the confidence and optimism that every person is a potential recipient of the transforming grace of God
Well said...''for nothing is impossible...'' Are you a theology student?? Many Christians seem to be more aware of Hell than Redemption.
@@tomgreene6579 that is precisely the reason why there is Redemption....because of hell.
The Holy Scriptures say that Our Lord Jesus Christ came to destroy the work of Satan...to bring us to hell
AMDG SAG JMJ Semper Deo Gratias et Marie
Am reminded of what St. Faustina said.... most of the souls in hell did not believe that there is a hell.
St. Padre Pio said souls finally believe that there is a hell when they are there
Our Most Blessed Mother showed the Children Shepherds of Fatima the vision of hell.
AMDG SAG JMJ Semper Deo Gratias et Marie
@Jaap Heemskerk yeah no Jesus went to the limbo of the Father's which was a part of hell that no longer exists but Judas Iscariot is in permanent hell.
Father Baron should clarify his position because many are confused. He's teaching the doctrine, but leaving many scratching their heads. Not everyone has a theological and philosophical acuteness. One thing is factual: people are confused ,, so he should indeed clarify his position . God is Mercy and Just .
Barron is a great teacher. We all have gifts-you will be judged on how well you use those gifts. Diverse gifts-one Spirit. We are not all evangelists. Gossip is a sin. I wonder how much of our knit-picking comes close to that. Bishop Barron is a hard worker. He explains the mysteries so indepth, I praise God for him. He's got a handle on love. He thinks thoughts others seldom touch. What a valuable asset to our Catholic faith! ✝️🙏❣
Amen @ Bishop Barron✝️
Even though you don't have to believe another personal revelation, I love when other religions have NDE or someone has a profound experience about someone outside of the chuch who died. No matter what the church teachers God has the last word always.
I am not a Catholic but I am a Christ follower. 50% of what I watch on UA-cam to learn more about Christ is catholic podcast. Protestants and Catholics alike are Christ followers. I wish all Christians would come together to make this world a better place. Thank God for Bishop Barron. He is one of my favorites. He feeds me in a way that a lot of protestant preachers do not. I just want more God in my life period! End of story.
God bless you on your faith journey. God is calling many Christ Followers / believers to look into what truth is really about the Universal Church.
There should be no shock over hope for universal salvation. This hope goes all the way back to the church fathers. St. Gregory of Nyssa comes to mind. A sophisticated understanding of hell tells you that everyone who is in hell actually wants to be there due to willful isolation from God. It is a logical result of free will. The hope and desire that all creation may come around to willful unity with God is a very Christian and loving sentiment.
And as free will is the sole cause of damnation, one is unsure as to how much effort God could or would use to turn the will towards Himself, or what He would consider coercive.
Not to mention most people's wills - even the good people! - are motivated at least in part by bad reasoning. We're pretty stupid as a species. I someday would like to write a thesis about the evident stupidity of the human race and present it to God as evidence in defence of the salvation of at least most people.
This is exactly right
@@HolyKhaaaaan present evidence to the all knower is ironic.
But I do belief salvation is adjusted for unwillful stupidity.
@@HolyKhaaaaan but God knows everything dude
The final choice is made in eternity. Hence it makes it eternal. Period! It doesn’t change once made. It’s why Lucifer nor the fallen angels will ever return to their glorious state! They made their choice in the eternal realm knowing the full truth.
To all those in this comment section claiming Bishop Robert Barron denies the existence of Hell. You ought to repent of the sin of calumny immediately and publicly.
From his website:
Does Bishop Barron deny that hell exists?
No. Bishop Barron does not deny the
existence of hell, because to do so would be to deny permanent and authoritative Church doctrine. He agrees hell exists and is a real possibility for every person.
More at www.wordonfire.org/hope/
Matt Fradd the fact that he has to even have that on his website already speaks volumes
No, Barron does not say Hell does not exist, but he says that there is a reasonable hope that nobody goes there, which is practically the same thing. Jesus made it very clear at Matthew 7:13-14 that the vast majority of souls go to Hell.
@@uluvr1c3 I agree. It speaks volumes about egregiously Bishop Barron's critics have misrepresented his views that he has to explicitly say he believes in Hell for people to believe him.
Brandon Vogt so why won’t he entertain TnT? But he’s fine with Shapiro, Peterson, etc
If he thinks he’s being misrepresented maybe he should go and clear his name with them. Would help his case much more. But like you responded on Twitter there’s no chance he will.
I really dislike all of the confusion! It’s like you just don’t know who to believe anymore! Jesus, please help us NOT to be deceived!
Bishop brings comfort.
I am not Catholic yet I often listen to his interesting way of using story blended in a very sweet truthful voice.
Clear,kind and loving way to lead and bring people to find peace.
Anyone who does not approve of him can just move away.
If God is what Bishop Barren says that is nice.
@@dh7164 and who are you to judge?
Finding Bishop Barron’s UA-cam channel is what brought me to Catholicism. He’s brilliant!! Those who dislike or criticize him are not able to understand and appreciate his knowledge.
Good that you're Catholic, but he's not God.
"Those who dislike or criticize him are not able to understand and appreciate his knowledge."
He is human and can make mistakes or poor decisions. Remember who to truly worship.
@@ThatIsWackSonhis is a very true point, and it seems to me that no statement was made to say Bishop Barron is God or infallible or should be worshipped. We are commanded to use our words to lift each other up. I could be wrong (and often am), but this comment in essence appears to me as a reminder to take appreciation of the Bishop's teachings despite issues or controversies - taking a one-sided view and never seeing the middle ground always leads to division, and we certainly don't need more of that. That said, criticism should never be suppressed and nor should the ability respond and correct oneself where needed. But I really like your point. Not enough people are saying it nowadays, even in the liturgy where Mass has on occasions become focused on ourselves rather than the True, Sacred, Divine sacrifice and worship to God alone. God bless you and all Catholics who are "figuring this out". 🙌
Pleased that Fr Mike agrees with the Church, the saints, and TnT. I'm impressed that he can put things so....calmly.
I think his Spirit is of peace...
He’s a priest…I would be shocked if that weren’t the case…
I agree. Fr Mike is a gracious servant. I love bishop Barron and pray the rosary with him everyday. I invite all to do the same his mediations are comforting and helpful.
I love Bishop Barron. He doesn't need defending. He is a Servant of The Lord.
I just listened to Bishop Barron again making his comments and I heard nothing heretical about them at all. He is a brilliant god serving evangelist of the modern era and his comments unite rather than divide. Thank God for him.
Well then you didn't look or listen very hard
Ummm .... ok lol 🙏
Agreed. I just heard the Fatima prayer, "... Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of thy Mercy." Don't pray that in vain!
Thank you for this. I love the super self righteous heresy hunters on this page, who literally look got anything to slap that label onto. May God have mercy on them.
@@EC-rd9ys In context, that be would properly understood as all souls who are capable of being led to Heaven which would include all souls alive on Earth and all of the souls in Purgatory. Our Lady of Fatima showed the children the hell of the damned, which is full of souls that the prayer which she taught the children cannot be applied.
O my Jesus, save us from the fires of hell, and lead ALL souls to heaven; especially those most in need of thy mercy. Also see Rom 5:18.
Paul Kelly, thank you, I'll add that verse to two others.
"First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth."
1 Timothy 2:1-4
"The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard “delay,” but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."
2 Peter 3:9
A loving God not human is going to blame people in another country for not knowing him. Of course not. Blame someone for not telling them, maybe. But he doesn't have our pea brain. He's not human. He doesn't judge on human emotion.
Our parish priest who very reverence & has brought back many traditions back into the church, kneeling, on the tongue if want, no Altar girls, not afraid to speak the truth or EM etc. for Christmas he gave us “This is My Body” by Bishop Barron & for Lent Fr. Jay & the Deacon took it a step further & had classes & videos on this wonderful topic in the Eucharist. Many who are in the Traditionalism dislike him b/c he’s after VII & they don’t give him a chance & listen! Like Taylor Tim Kennedy Hall. If you have the book & not share who wrote the would all agree this is Catholic!!
I am not Catholic but I am interested. Whenever I visit mass I noticed that no one genuflects. Is this something that people no longer do? I remember trying it out and a lady behind me kind of nose laughed, like a sneer and I felt a little embarrassed
With God all things are possible, i dare to hope and this makes me strive more fully with God in the persuit of salvation... bless you 😊
Bishop Barron is reaching the people who will never be reached otherwise. He is extremely articulate and courageous and I feel we need many more Bishops like him. You will never appeal to the intellectual elites staying safely " between Catholics".
Barron blocked @drtaylormarshall. He can't debate an intellectual of the church. Phoney infiltrated novus order modernist priests..that are simply not leaders..soft and unfortunately many are effeminate..most alpha men are simply not attracted to these priest or the church office lady run novus ordo parishes with the Peter Paul and Mary 1960s hippie jesuit music..sorry give me TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS
Bishop Barron really screwed up on that interview with Ben Shapiro.
Just hoping you will have a better one. Looking forward to ...
Please explain. People say he didn't evangelize enough. You do realize helping others convert is a step by step process you ease into right...?
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@@marypinakat8594 : In his book "Letter to a Suffering Church", Bishop Barron writes, "What does it say about the priestly resolve of the baptized in this country that 75% of us regularly stay away from Mass, that prayer which Vatican II describes as "the source and summit of the Christian life"? (pg. 91)
Please explain to me why I am wrong in having believed that the Eucharist is the source and summit of Christian life? I was around when Vatican II made the changes, and I couldn't help but think "Well, we're all protestants now! Doesn't matter what denomination I choose." The only things that kept me in the Catholic Church were the Eucharist and the Blessed Virgin Mary. Was I wrong? Is the Holy Eucharist no longer the source and summit of our Faith?
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I will not believe anyone who says Vatican II is responsible for the drop in Mass attendance. If everyone stopped going to Church it could have been the cause.
Why were the 15% not affected?
I am sure that Bishop Barron has saved many a soul for God. And I am also sure that Satan has a particular hatred of him for doing so. It occurred to me that the Evil One may have stirred up these controversies to discredit all the good resulting from the Bishop's work. I suggest we pray regularly for all our priests, and especially for our evangelists like Bishop Barron and Father Mike.
Bishop Baron is a coward ....he is afraid to tell the truth and shame the devil .....takes the humanistic way out ....all the time .....that my friend is heresy
@@chommie5350 Find another enemy, dude. And you spelt his name incorrectly.
Bishop Barron never said Hell is empty, he only said he hopes it is empty. My question is, why do all of you so adamantly hope that it is not?
Don’t worry, I believe in Hell, I know how easy it is to be damned because I know how monstrous I am, what a terrible sinner I am. Maybe you should also keep in mind how terribly imperfect you are, how your heart is made of stone, while you accuse Bishop Barron of heresy while hundreds if not thousands have converted, some having left a life of atheism and come to the Catholic Church, because of his work. What do you think is worse, Bishop Barron hoping all will be saved (while stating very clearly that it’s entirely possible many are not), or people doing absolutely nothing other than polarizing and dividing Our Suffering Mother, the Church and Bride of Jesus Christ?
Clearly heresy is a problem, but you need to pick your battles, and as good Catholics you should always err on the side of innocence, assuming that the person has the right intentions and that what they are saying can be properly interpreted in line with doctrine. Looking for heresy like a needle in a haystack is not the same as fighting against it.
Don’t you know that when parents fight, the kids rebel against both rather than pick sides? You should never create scandal unless you seriously believe (and have the authority to discern such matters and take action) that the damages caused by scandal and division will be smaller than the damages caused by silence or subtle forms of action.
You have all been undermining the authority of the Church by bickering amongst each other in public and making a debate club out of Our Mother.
This is the sin of scandal, do not think it is not. There are plenty of ways to address these issues properly without creating scandal. Shame on us all for loving self-righteousness and finger-wagging rather than collaboration and true discernment. It would not have been that difficult for all of you to discern that creating scandal is the stupidest thing to do at a time like this in the Church. We already appear frail and divided, and that is precisely what is causing the decline in numbers of Catholics. It is not because the Church is too liberal, it is not because the Church is too conservative, it is because no two representatives of the Church seem capable of agreeing on anything, and we are utterly failing at presenting a uniform and united front. It is too divided; why would anyone trust such a divided institution that can’t seem to agree with itself on anything? What a silly generation, democratizing religion and thinking, thanks to social media platforms, that each one of us has an opinion that matters.
There's an EVIL that is currently playing in the Church - GOSSIP. This is a very small case in fact even though it hurts to see.
Boscos_box thank you for your comments. I think we agree on more things than you realize. First of all, I am aware of the dismal state of the Catholic Church in the West, in terms of hippie-like heresy becoming more and more normative. I’m not saying these issues shouldn’t be dealt with, I’m just saying that UA-cam scandals and debates are really not the best way to deal with these issues. For example, after my own conversion I was faced with the terrible confusion of figuring out who to trust. Videos like this don’t help, people pointing fingers at each other don’t help. (Regarding finger wagging, if you look back at my comment you will see that I wrote “shame on us all for finger wagging” since I was aware I am doing the same lol).
Boscos_box moreover, my point precisely was that this plethora of “opinions” is a problem. People who think they are more Catholic than the Magisterium, for example, are as problematic as people who think they are more Catholic than St. Paul.
I also think it’s terrible that people set themselves apart from the Church as liberal or conservative or traditional. There shouldn’t be groups but unfortunately there are, and this grouping and dividing is definitely being exacerbated by social media. I simply believe that right now, the Church needs to be responding to these challenges with the intention of, let’s say... regrouping and figuring out how to become reunited and One under Our Head and Lord Jesus Christ, how to deal with this deterioration of hierarchy when it comes to ideas, teaching, and theology.... UA-cam videos of people calling each other heretics will do more harm than good. Especially when attacking someone like Bishop Barron, whose credibility is a crucial factor in one of the most effective, widespread, and publicized attempts at evangelization taking place today. Why would anyone choose to undermine the authority and credibility of someone who is of such high value to the Church? This is democratization right here, this is what is so terrible about people taking matters into our own hands: we fail to take into account the big picture and calculate appropriate steps considering the ripple effects of things. What is better and what is worse, the consequences of Bishop Barron’s video on Hell, or the consequences of the push-back against him? It is not for us to decide and answer that question.
Edit: I say all this acknowledging that I myself do the things I am condemning. And I acknowledge that Matt Fradd and Father Mike May be trying to reduce scandal rather than increase it. I think I’m more upset at the people who are championing these crusades without necessarily having the authority to do so within Church Hierarchy.
Self-righteousness and finger wagging? Those are some assumptions you're making.
@@alvc22
Those who have done will have heard.
Bishop Barron needs to be clear that there is a Hell period , that’s all Dr Taylor was pointing out ,hopefully Bishop will retract his comment and teach his children there is a Hell and anybody who is in a state of mortal sin can be condemned according to what Jesus says in the Bible.I would like to add I have heard bishop Barron talks on other topics and found it really good, unfortunately in our times with modernist watering down our faith we get a little nervous when we hear another comment which creates ambiguity
Well the whole beginning of the video was about how origen was wrong for saying that all souls definitely will be saved.
He has spoken about hell, publicly, thousands of times.
Then why would he say what he did?
We already know that many souls are in hell. We don’t know who these souls are. Question bishop Barron, are there souls in hell? If he says no souls are in hell then he is in error.
@@patrickjoeodwyer he has never even come close to this statment.
If Barron just said that all who love God and keep his commandments have a reasonable hope to not enter the hell it would make more sense
Well said. It's this "hell could be empty" angle that is so disturbing.
You don't need to be catholic to go to heaven, you just need to be christian.
@@ATLKing404 The idea that only baptized Catholics can go to heaven is not a teaching of the Catholic Church. Can non-Christians go to heaven? This is a complicated topic. To reject Christ is a grave sin. But, as with all sin, there are many things that can affect a person's culpability. For example, an aborted baby never had an opportunity to accept Christ. Does this mean that Christ will send all aborted babies to hell? Obviously not.
You cannot reject something you have no knowledge of. For example, I personally hate broccoli. Some people like broccoli. But a person who has never heard of broccoli, or tasted broccoli, can not make a judgment either way. They are simply ignorant. Or suppose that my parents taught me that broccoli was dangerous. It could kill me if I eat it. This would make my acceptance of broccoli much more difficult. Similarly, a young child in Siberia who has never heard of Christ is in no position to either reject him or accept Him.
@@ATLKing404 I agree. I’m an Orthodox Christian who is fond of Catholic devotions.
Please go to this website tlig.org. It’s about Christian unity where Jesus says “Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, you are the same in my eyes, you all belong to me.”. Amen to that! Actually this website is about messages that a Greek Orthodox lady by the name of Vassula Ryden has been getting from Jesus since 1985 and her writings have been examined by the Vatican.
"Dare we hope" is perfectly appropriate and captures the great mercy our lord has for his people. And Bishop Barron has been really clear and carefull to make his points without dismissing the possibility of Hell.
@Cortney Nicholson Yes he did and your point is? But he doesn't lead by saying X percent of people are going. He talks of the narrow path and the many goats separated from the sheep. But *many* doesn't mean most. The possibility is whether all go or not. Not the possibility of it's existence. Those who inform follow their conscience to the best of their ability are asking the internal voice of Christ for truth. When someone asks their father for something, does the father not provide the means?
@Cortney Nicholson if you actually listened to his video about it he didn't say that. His conclusion was that he believed that we can reasonably hope that all will be saved. This is why no single soul has been placed beneath prayer. The church has never said you cannot pray for any single soul. Clearly your position isn't more traditional than this one because no single theological opinion has been endorsed or condemned by the church with exception of Origin's complete universalism.
@Cortney Nicholson or maybe people are saved mentally from endless scrupulosity and the Radical Catholics pushing people away from the church by telling them they are going to burn in hell for things they don't even understand to be sinful. If God says to pray for those who persecute you, what is so unreasonable about hoping they will see mercy and salvation? Wouldn't that make us idk Christians?
@Cortney Nicholson I never said you did, you are emotionally reading things into it that I never said. When you implied I was believing the heresy of universalism I didn't respond with hurt feelings.
I merely remarked that Catholics who are inclined to be very scrupulous, are pushed away by Catholics who subscribe to the Augustine side of the argument.
@Cortney Nicholson To get very personal with you, I am 25. My first 23 years of life I had abandoned the church because of many traditional types that would condemn me for my parents never taking me to church, eating meat on Fridays and every other little thing I didn't know or understand about the faith. When I met my wife I decided to investigate the church because she was Catholic. And after watching Bishop Barron's videos about this, his wisdom and mercy gave me a new look at the Catholic church and I was confirmed & first communion within 8 months. If "Dare we Hope" can convince a stubborn anti Catholic like me of mercy and bring me back into the fold, maybe God willing we can hope that all will have the same fate. We can hold onto the belief in the possibility and guarantee that if we die in a state of broken relationship with God we will meet our just punishment. But we can hope that All can mend that relationship especially those who don't understand the right path, that is why the last words of the mass are "go forth and share the good news in every you say or do".
I was a big fan of Bishop Barron but I was extremely bothered that he was unsure about exorcisms, given that being an exorcist is part of his office as a bishop. I saw him comment on this on 'The Devil and Fr. Amorth' on Netflix. Aghast that how can a bishop hold this view. I listen to TnT as well with the same caution as I do Bishop Barron.
Mari Therese Reyes why were you bothered by that? He was being humble by publicly admitting that he’s not spiritually sufficiently strong to conduct exorcism.
@@SowerOfMustardSeed that's not a good thing. We have a right to let him know to get up to date and spiritually strong...like he is supposed to be. A table with three legs is a useless table. A bishop that is not ready to g that against the devil seems to be .... let's say...not doing good or living up to his calling
Daniel Alexander what do you mean by “to get him up to date”? I’ve read Fr Amorth’s two books. It takes very much to be an effective exorcist. Not all bishops are made to be an effective exorcist. He realized his limitations and wouldn’t force his way, lest potentially causing more harm. It’s the bishop’s role to assign the best persons to be exorcists.
@@SowerOfMustardSeed I agree. I was speaking with a priest from Uganda, questioning him on why his particular Bishop does not exorcise such and such (the question was respectful and made sense to the priest) but the priest responded that the Bishop, as a typical Bishop forced to be an administrator, is not well disposed to spiritual combat any more. What if, in dealing with a difficult priest that day, he had lost some patience and had exceedingly scolded the priest, or some such pecadillio. Or if he had committed some other minor offence because he is so busy having to administer his Diocese and is in constant dialogue with constant opportunity to skip up, but with no time for fasting, praying and preparation. Our poor Bishop's need to delegate this role to a priest who is tasked with making this preparation. Maybe an ecclesia reform can repair this. After all, the Bishop is meant to be our pastor, not our manager
@@SowerOfMustardSeed if the head exorcist of the diocese thinks he is not effective, then his thinking is wrong. Only Jesus is effective in the exorcism. It's not an X-MEN thing. The office itself is effective because it's connected to God. However, reality is what it is...maybe a bishop is too spiritually weak...maybe there is something not proper within him and fighting Satan will do more harm than good. The bishop has the authority over the demon but he for whatever reason...can't use it...meh
I think Bishop Barron is sometimes "too careful." He is too fearful too cut through the fog of confusion with clarity and conciseness WHEN required.
So true. I made the same comment myself some time ago. Yes, he IS too careful. Maybe he’s too concerned about being liked and accepted by as many people as possible.
But I like his logic, his knowledge and his skills to talk about difficult topics.
Sometimes my feeling is that he doesn’t hit the nail on the head...
@@margokupelian344 Barron isn’t a fishing rod, he’s a fishing net.
@@graysonhoward1562 amen
@@margokupelian344 he ain’t afraid. He’s brilliant
@@margokupelian344 can you state an example where he was "too careful"
Even Peter argued with Paul over how to reach out to converts.
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Too many priests are “nice” and don’t want to ruffle feathers. The Laity is begging fir strong priests who aren’t afraid to call it like it is. God bless Fr. James Altman.
I agree completely, that is why I unsubscribed from Bishop Barron and I am looking to different charities to donate instead of the Catholic Church. too much confusion w/ papa Francesco, and even father Goring defending the bishop. difficult times ahead.
One of the greatest dangers to the soul in the west today is some kind of opinionated narcissism. And I think you're falling for exactly that.
Who are you to decide what's right or wrong? Vatican 2 was pretty clear regarding other religions, and even that should show you that there are no definitive answers, as much as you'd like to get them. That is why we trust in God first and foremost, and not ourselves. And if you really listen, knowing about God what you know, do you REALLY think that being a Buddhist, for example, means automatic damnation? Sure, hell is a real place that can be felt even in this life, hell is the place of being afar from the light of God, but who are you to decide who's there and who's not?
Agree completely.
Fr. James Altman is one of the most narcissistic and dangerous preachers in the Church today. He uses the pulpit as his personal stand to air out his grievances with the culture. His preaching is more about regurgitating the Republican platform than it is about proclaiming the Living Word. To this day, I have never seen an example where he actually exegetes the readings.
No thanks. I go to Church to be sanctified. We don't need Rush Limbaugh at the pulpit.
@@FlowLai Unfortunately, Politics need to be preached at the pulpit because the times call for it. But keep doing you and continue to live in ignorant bliss.
I love listening to Bishop Barron. He is very talented in explaining the hard questions of theology. May God bless his ministry and his mission.
Bishop Barron is awesome 😎 he is bringing more people to Christ and the Church then all his critics put together. I’m a Protestant convert to Catholicism. People like his critics were obstacles to my conversation. Barron was brought me to the Church.
I'm really happy to hear this. I'm a craddle Catholic and I'm a bit tired of some Catholics always critizing, instead of praying and looking for points in common with others. It's discouraging.
Thank you, Matt and Father, for showing prudence regarding Bishop Barron. His zeal for souls' salvation is crystal clear and implicit in his work. If he believed that all people go to heaven, he would never have bothered to evangelize as he has. He also should not be expected to sit down and discuss these controversial topics with critics who have taunted him publicly, calling him Bishop Bobby, or with those who don't even attempt to give his motives the benefit of the doubt or try to see the good he has done in drawing many to consider Christianity who never would have prior.
People seem to really go hard on bishop Barron. It’s like people tend to go after him with 101% furry compared to someone like father James Martin. My thought as to why people are like this is because Bishop Barron is such a good shepherd to begin with. Any flaw is magnified 10x. Whereas with James Martin- he might say something heretical and our response is “well yes, of course. It’s Fr. James Martin.”
What confuses me is that many people have grown to hate Bishop Barron all tougher. Somehow bishop Barron is now a full blown modernist, spouting heresy after heresy. I am drawn to a recent message by Michael Matt of the Remnant: “stop anathematizing each other and go at the real enemy.” Whether people want to admit it or not, I see Bishop Barron as an orthodox shepherd. I am also aware of the various faults he has.
The thing about Baron is that he could be a great ally but, with this heresy he rolls over to the modernist crowd. That’s why we are tough on him.
Bishop has the higher office than a Priest, so by that nature alone, we should desire complete authenticity on behalf of the Princes of the Church. Bishop Barron has had a couple public mishaps that I can recall that are due a public clarification. For starters the Balthazar comment as mentioned in the video, as well as the Ben Shapiro interview where he said Jesus is the privileged way, not the only way. As Matt Fradd and Fr. Mike have both said, yes he has done great work in evangelization as well as bringing forth a richness that stems from the tradition of the Church. However, it's legitimate form of fraternal correction to publicly correct an individual when the error was made publicly.
He is not orthodox if he's preaching that hell is empty.
Who doesn't have faults? I don't ever think God approves discussions of this sort.
Have you read scripture? Matthew 18:15-17.
Souls fall like snowflakes into hell.(Virgin Mary in Fatima) I wonder how would Bishop Barron respond to this.
I can tell you what he said. I thoroughly challenged Barron on this garbage to the point that he disabled comments on his "hell will be empty videos" Not because imflammatory comments were constantly being made but because I made him look stupid using scripture and the words of the Saints. But his response to someone about Fatima was to attempt to discredit at least part of Our Lady's message by saying "you don't really think Hell is in the center of the earth do you?" Minute 4:40 of this video applies to B. Barron
lets hope youre not one of them. God bless BIshop Barron!
@@desperado77760 with a comment like the one you just wrote im seriously in doubt that you made bishop barron look stupid. His videos also never say hell will be empty so you should be ashamed that you are going around spreading nonsense like that. ua-cam.com/video/h6wTQ6xbVnQ/v-deo.html watch his explenation and tell me what is uncatholic about it?
@@lionheart5078 Here is one of the videos. Listen to the last sentence of the video
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Yet Mother Mary will teach us to pray the Fatima Decade Pray (O My Jesus), "... lead ALL souls into heaven ...". Somewhere in the cacophony of doctrinal dissonance lies the lost doctrine of the preexistent soul. Deny all you can without calling Our Lady of Fatima heretical.
I love Father Mike and Bishop Barron and the way they teach!
Thank you for this one! Bishop Barron does so many things beautifully and he is fascinating to listen to - BUT - as TnT pointed out, people need to know where the problem is, and to be warned about it. Thanks to them, people do now know, and I'm still hoping that B. Barron will correct what he has said. It would be different if he were not a bishop... Thank God He has made His Body to have many parts!!!
I agree. Bishop Barron needs to correct what he has said. I used to listen to him...but now I shy away from anything he preaches. I pray for him.
@@pattyocadiz6614 I don't think you need to abandon him completely. He's very wise, but no one is immune to error.
What did he say?
Patty Ocadiz I’m right there with you. His interview with Shapiro was the last straw for me. I’ve tended to avoid him as a result. It’s a shame.
Christine Pesta,
There are lots of people who will see everywhere what they are looking for even when nothing is there.
Matt, listening to this reminded me of Luke 6: 39-42 ( Friday's Gospel reading) I am no where near the level of Dr. Marshall or Bishop Barron. But I periodically have to keep myself in check when trying to evangelize to my protestant peers not to sound critical or condescending. We all have our own technique to bring people to the true faith but like Fr. Mike said it shouldn't hurt to give constructive criticism. Love your videos and all Catholic youtubers.
@ShariaFreeUK Isn’t that all idolatry, never mind the Catholic Churches being littered with images.
@@domhamai oh heal yourself! Not one Catholic idolises or worships statues. Your fire and brimstone protestism and trolling Catholics must be exhausting.
Do you guys realise you're not defending Bishop Barron at all? Your criticism of his statements is just as clear and unequivocal as Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon's, and rightly so. The difference is that you, Matt, seem to appreciate Barron's style or pastoral approach or personality a little more than Taylor and Tim, but even that is only true up to a point: I've heard Taylor and Tim say very fair and even positive things about Barron, and to my knowledge none of their criticism has ever been based on anything not strictly doctrinal. Maybe you should apologise for insinuating that they have decided to make him their "enemy" ... (?)
I love Bishop Barron and Dr. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon. They may be disagreeing on this point but I feel all three are true Catholics.
@@tomthx5804 No, they are following the teachings of the magisterium.
@@jacobweber7078 He is delusional. Simple.
Thanks for clarifying that that is not vodka, I thought it was! lol
Haha, I would've assumed it too.
A good Bishop should have a strong head! xD It,s better if Bishop get really drunk after celebrating a really good, victorious and hard beating of the enemies of the Church...
That the one that is allways nice&sober but also week, PC, heretical and not stand with HIS Sheeps when wolfs are bitchin about stuff not relevant to the Salvation, throwing false and worthless accusations. Good Bishop STANDS OUT and tell the hard Way, never using nice worldly speech. After that the Sheeps praise God in SOOOO MAAAANY Holy hymns and prayers, that they got totally holly wasted. That leads to divine inSpiration by God himself. Gratefull Sheeps invite THEIR Bishop to do some vodka shots for the greater Glory of God!!! And for some relaksation before the NEXT WAVE.
Unfortunatelly we got the nice guys insteed...
Sorry for my english.
Priest can drink. One of my favorite priest loves Shiner Boch Beer!!!! 🍺🍺🍺🍺
@@NoseyYolanda I know one priest who is an exorcist. It's a holy man and he has a bottle of vodka on the shelf for a special ocasions :-) After morning exorcisms he flush a MONSTROUS dump into the toilet. I always imagine that he swallow all those demons into his EPIC belly to torture them in his stomach acids for the greater Glory of God xD And that he use pizza as a bait (he eat pizza on pizza bakery called "Omen" ) XD And today I go to him for a confession :-)
Lol
I know Mother Angelica would not appreciate what Bishop Barron has said, or didn't say. It is just not a complete teaching. People need to hear the whole truth in order to rectify their behavior. A luke warm or soft soap answer doesn't help anyone. On their own people will choose to sin, this answer does not help the sinner to see the truth and change his/her behavior. Sin keeps us from Our Savior! A Bishop is doing a disservice to the people he is required to help when he does this. The good Bishop has been confronted & has not clarified his response. I can't tell you how many priest's when asked about Hell would rather talk about HEAVEN. Please may I remind you, if the meaning of HELL is lessened, the reason Jesus died for our sins to give us Eternal life is also lessened!!! It is nice to share any number of stories where a person was moved in some good way after having contact with the Bishop. I am more concerned with the numbers of people who have fallen away from the church over the years due to extremely weak CATECHISM by Bishop Barron! The problem is he won't/hasn't come forward to clarify his response. The upset over this will continue until he does!! Why won't he?
I definitely agree! Bishop Barron has his followers and I don't begrudge anyone who believes in his eloquence of speech but after listening to may of his UA-cam videos and listening to some of his followers "parrot" most of what he teaches I started to REALLY listen and it turn out to be the same nuanced ambiguity that is so prevalent in some of the parishes I used to attend. After taking Bishop Barron's advice on his pick for good 20th century writers like Thomas Merton and reading Seven Story Mountain and A Search for Solitude, etc., it dawned on me that this guy had gone the way of "Eastern Mysticism" and that was all it took to trash his books. Matt Fradd can accuse people of CALUMNY but that only leaves the door for me to accuse him of complete STUPIDITY!!!
@@andrewf.castaneda4695 "if someone calls another one "stupid" or "crazy," he will be judged by the Sanhedrin"
K Scheuerman,
More comfortable to wake up the dead than to make sure that what one is speaking is the best possible?
Excellent example of how a whole lot is just following the crowd without even checking what is the crowd all about.
Please know that Bishop Barron has indeed clarified. He has done more than that.
@@marypinakat8594 Too bad you were not very specific on exactly what he said in his clarification. If you did it would be clear if you know what you are talking about. To be straight up honest, all Iv'e seen him do is skirt the issue and decline or ignore invitations for interviews offered to clarify. He was invited recently to clarify with Dr. Marshall & Timothy Gordon and The invitation was taken down. WHY? Maybe you should watch Bishop Fulton sheen to see how it really should be done, especially in these times!!
This could be a helpful link: wordonfire.org/hope
Luke 13:23-24
[23]Someone said to him, 'Sir, will there be only a few saved?' He said to them,
[24]'Try your hardest to enter by the narrow door, because, I tell you, many will try to enter and will not succeed.
Romans 5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
From the Lord's Prayer:
"...Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done..."
Also from the Bible:
"First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth."
1 Timothy 2:1-4
And:
"The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard “delay,” but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."
2 Peter 3:9
@@brucebarber4104 I definitely agree with what you say,but the Bible does make mention of all being save,and I don’t ignore those words .I have a feeling all will be eventually saved even the dammed,but I’m not God and don’t know.My advice to anyone is to live a holy life,live for God and love others the best you can and trust in Gods goodness and love after that.Thanks for the reply!
Barron's comment is unclear on purpose just like Francis's comments. How can that be defended? His comments on the Ben Shapiro show were just as unclear. It's not just one statement.
weaponized ambiguity
Bishop Barron has stated over and over, and has clamped down on the view that there is a hope that all men can be saved. This is in direct opposition to the words of Christ, St Paul and the teaching of the Church. So in other words what the bishop is holding to strongly, despite the continual Church teaching, is heresy. He may be a very nice guy but when you stubbornly hold a heretical position on Church teaching - you can legitimately be called a heretic. If someone is a heretic, than it is legitimate for someone to call out your heretical view. In addition if you hold an heretical view on something so essential to the Faith ( a chink I the armor so to speak) then you may hold other errors as well. And you can be a danger others faith who may believe you more because of your charisma over the actual teaching of the Church.
Joe S wrong, it’s not a heretical position
@@bpcathcrusader4952 considering you openly speak heresy in just about every message here, you remind me that evil cannot recognize itself.
Here's an idea for those eager to condemn Bishop Barron... a really traditional, orthodox idea: You don't judge your superior. This comes from Christ, and the Fathers. If you want to judge the merit of the statement or actions, do so in truth and charity.
The man has dedicated his entire life and considerable talents to the Church and spreading of the Gospel. Show a little charity, folks. If you disagree with the way he characterizes a certain teaching, politely engage him. He has proven that he is perfectly willing to do so. No one is perfect. Cut this holy Bishop some slack.
Thanks for such a beautiful message. We really should try to see the good. No one is perfect
Speak for yourself , I am perfect . God has said so . After all he made me in his own image so why wouldn't I be perfect ?
@@think2146 I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but we are all perfectly created by God. So in a sense we are all perfect. However, God has given us all free will and we humans have unfortunately chosen to fall from that state of perfection.
@@janethilger9781 And there you see he/she is just a stupid as we are . There was no need to give us free will that I can see . Unless of course it was simply for his/her enjoyment .
@@think2146 what is love if you cannot choose to love? Slavery? God gave us freewill so we can choose to love Him. He does not want to force his hand because he loves us. You and I have a finite mind and we won't understand the joy we would miss out without our freewill. God does enjoy seeing us choose Him, but he is equally hurt when we reject Him.
The real question is how much we live up to "By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
Jesus loved the Pharisees, even as He rebuked them.
Paul loved Peter, even as he rebuked him...
John the Baptist loved Herod, even as he rebuked him.
Great comment
Allow St Thomas Aquinas to answer: there is no Greater Kindness than destroying error.
Bishop Barron along with Fr Mike are amazing communicators the Catholic Church are lucky to have them ...
Thank you for the positivity.
God bless!
I used to kiss the ground Bishop Barron walked on until I did my due diligence and research. My conclusion is that Bishop Barron is a Vatican 2 acolyte , that he is way to modernistic, and pulls too many punches. When he told Ben Shapiro who I do admire and pray for, that Catholicism was the privileged way to Salvation , I Knew the Bishop was a Modernist and in my opinion did a grave disservice to Ben Shapiro. Why did all the missionaries to the New World give their lives in Martyrdom in their attempt to bring the Indians into the Catholic Church, if they only knew those souls could be saved outside the Catholic Church. Were they FOOLS ? “Extra Eclessia Nulla Salus “ please forgive my Latin for Outside the Church there is No Salvation.
Ok, so, yes, this is exactly what I've been trying to say! And he beats around the bush , instead of being straight forward to the homosexual people as well. They need to know that if they do not leave this lifestyle of sin, the ones that are sexually active, they risk losing their soul. They need to be properly instructed and Bishop Barron didn't do that. He doesn't want to offend. He gets grief from us because he is in the position of being in the publics eye and can spread the Good News of the Gospel on national television and online and people will respect him and look up to him, but then, the entire lgbt community will despise him for his stance on this, not to mention he is buddies with James Martin. Well if he is a Catholic priest, his stance needs to be that of the Catholic Church. He doesn't want to "offend " anyone, but he offends God instead. This makes no sense. And when talking to Ben , or that homosexual man that interviewed him, he just doesn't tell it like it is. Sin is sin and when in sin, heaven is not an option. I mean, that is what the Church has taught for over 2000 years. And when folks like myself stand up against error, we are called extreme right wing trads, or something. ..... the sins of modernism, secularism, and relativism have seeped into the Church and, well, I guess there are those who just don't see it. They are in denial about this. I guess all I can do is pray for our church and the body of Christ!
Wow! Good for you 👍 someone who did their research 😁
Jesus did not say, I am the privileged way, the privileged truth, and the privileged life, He said "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life".
@@tomthx5804 (1) Vatican II was not an infallible council. While it was going on the council fathers said over and over again that this was a "pastoral" council only.
(2) Vatican II did teach some heresies, such as strongly implying that non-Catholics can be saved without converting.
@@GeorgePenton-np9rh thank you, I'm am praying for this Tom fella, because he calls us imbeciles......
Seriously? ???? Apparently he is the one who does not know his Catholic Faith and I would say ,unfortunately, it is due to being poorly catechised in the aftermath of Vatican ll. Perhaps he is blind to the heresies of modernism, secularism, and relativism that are seeping into the Church. To fully understand the corruption in the Church today, listen to Michael Voris on his Church Militant UA-cam channel!
Went "man that dude loves vodka! Need to get him on whiskey being a good southern guy now"
More than revealing whom you maybe faithful to. Take care.
Mary Pinakat faithful to God, ma’am. I enjoy a good drink. We aren’t puritans
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The options actually would have been more suitable for the very first words from Matt here.
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@@marypinakat8594 the path to h*ll is wide. stop walking it.
bishop Robert Barron helped to answer basically all of my questions about catholicism. I probably would have left to become a protestant if it weren't for him. I would be pretty happy if he became pope.
Am not gonna say that Bishop Barron is bad wlth everything that he does . But let's be honest with ourselves hes a modernist who looks up to Balthasar . Who was extremely heretical . Not to mention he wrote the forward to a book about Tarot cards
@TruthSeeker75 Vatican II was not at all heretical. have you even read the documents from it? it is an incredible work of faith and it was meant to make catholics more efficient at evangelising but it got misunderstood.
@TruthSeeker75 well while I don't agree with some of the things you have claimed are heresy, you did make a good point with the pope Pius quotes. I still think that muslims and jews believe in the same God even if they have a warped view of God.
I'll look into more articles of Vatican II.
@@louisleycuras8357, ignore truthseeker75, it is a 3 month old troll account. The person behind the account is a sedevacantist who rejects Vatican Council II and every Pope after Pius XII. Such people have incurred a latae sententiae excommunication. A search of the phrase 'sedvacantism heresy' will include a link to an article entitled, "Can you be a Catholic and a sedevacantist?" from the Canon Law Made Easy website that will aid your research. God bless.
Fr. Schmitz is excellent in his responses to things like this; concise and to the point. I'd be excited if His Excellency, Bishop Barron, would converse with TnT at some point in the future too, like you guys mention here. Bishop Barron is not an enemy, nor is TnT. The key is to have these conversations to "bridge the gap" between various Catholics, much like you, Matt Fradd, have tried to do with Michael Voris and Timothy Gordon, who are both excellent faithful Catholics.
We need dialogue so that we can understand the Faith better ourselves. But certainly to refuse this dialogue and not converse with people who are only trying to defend the Faith, is harmful.
Looking forward to their (TnT's and the Bishop's) conversation to clear this thing up!
Aurelius Augustine H. TnT are very close being schismatics and by attacking Bishop Barron, the Pauline Mass, Vatican 2, Pope Francis, writing the book Infiltration which peddles conspiracy theories, they are going off to the fringe and disconnected from the Holy Catholic ( Universal) and Apostolic Church we profess in the Nicene Creed.
Tnt has reached out to bishop Barron but the bishop removed their online invitation for a chat. You can look up tnt bishop Barron to hear them talk about it
@@bpcathcrusader4952 Did you listen to the entire video with Father Schmitz? It is charitable (far from schismatic) to correct people when they are wrong, especially those with influence such as His Excellency, Bishop Barron.
With regard to the New Mass, Vatican 2, and His Holiness, Pope Francis, TnT criticizes only those things that are "un-Catholic" or could be seen as hostile to that Faith (such as erroneous statements). This would include desecration of Altar rails in the name of Vatican 2, or the use of Extraordinary Ministers of Communion even when they're not needed. These things are in fact counter to the Church's teaching, but have been pushed by people who misinterpret Vatican 2. With regard to Infiltration, there are actually renowned Theologians and Cardinals who agree with some aspects of the book - would you care to site anything specific in the book that you found obviously false? In that case I would have to do my own research. But it seems to me you may be trying to smear a few good Catholic Theologians (TnT), which would be unfortunate and rather uncharitable.
@@bpcathcrusader4952 there are no conspiracy theories. Michael Voris can prove this he has made videos showing all of the conectioms. Bella Dodd was a communist spy and helped homosexuals infiltrate the priesthood to destroy the Catholic Church. Also, the Freemasons want to destroy the church. They have infiltrated. There is a Catholic Lighthouse CD all about the Masons. And the war in Mexico in the 1920s happened when the Freemasons killed thousands of Catholics
Saint Maximilian Kolbe faught the Masons. All of these things are true and they have been proven. Read what Pope Leo 13th had to say about the Masons. They have especially infiltrated the Jesuit order.
God help us!
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"Oh, my Jesus. Forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of hell. LEAD ALL SOULS TO HEAVEN, especially those in most need of thy mercy."
Hope is a theological virtue. We are commanded to hope. It is unbecoming of our Christian fraternity to point the finger at someone and declare them unworthy of heaven. That decision isn't ours to make.
It is important to let people know, that yes Our Lord Jesus Christ pay for our sins, but if we die in mortal sin we could be condemned for ever.
I loved that statement "It's the body healing itself" 🥰👍👏🙏
We can all dare to hope hell is empty because we are proud to hope that everyone at their last moment has repented and embrace our Lord’s mercy one way or another. That’s faith, hope and love.
But I agree that Bishop Barron should have a dedicated clarification WOF episode.
@ Silvester W. This is an idealistic hope. I hope all will think like you. My brother in law's dad died unreconcilied to the Church. Didn't have a Catholic funeral . Suggest he may not have reconciled to God too.
Jeremiah Ong in that case, I just hope that your brother-in-law’s dad somehow managed to start reconciling with God at his last breath. 🙏🏼
@TruthSeeker75 omg u honestly think that we objectively think that hell is empty? It’s a prayer to God. It’s a wish that we will all turn good. Don’t you get it? Omg
@TruthSeeker75 you still didn’t get it. “Dare I hope” is never a doctrine. It’s a wish. It’s a prayer to God. It’s an attitude that if we turn to God, everyone can be saved.
@TruthSeeker75 we dare hope hell is empty is a spirituality, rather than a doctrine. Jesus clearly said that many will not pass through the narrow gate. So it is a fact that many died and will die in a state of dispositioning themselves fundamentally misaligned with God, in other words “in hell”.
So what’s the purpose of this spirituality that we dare hope hell is empty? The significance is that this is to believe in the power, mercy and love of God that His plan is for everyone to be saved and no one is beyond salvation, even the monsters you mentioned, as long as they repent and accept our Lord before they die. This is the gospels. This is the good news we Catholics should bring to the world!
What is the chance that Judas Iscariot, Nero, Hitler, etc. have repented and accepted our Lord before drawing their last breath? Very unlikely. It is because they dispositioned themselves in many ways contrary to God’s way all their lives. This “bad habit” - a habit of sin is never easy to overcome to say the least. So my opinion is that even if or when Jesus appeared to them just before they died, they would likely have grown more angry and repugnant to have found out that they had been wrong all their life. They would probably have been very mad with Jesus why have God made them that way. They would probably have blamed God that it’s not their fault that God didn’t make it clear to them. Et Cetera. Then they couldn’t help but to have freely rejected Jesus.
Having said all this. The truth is I don’t know. No one knows except for God. And therefore I can still dare hope that hell is empty. It’s not a doctrinal or matter of fact statement, but a spirituality that strengthens our total reliance on God and our best effort to cooperate with God.
I hope you understand now.
Bishop Barron is articulate, compelling, knowledgeable, and he wraps it all up in a Chicago swag that is thought-provoking, irresistible, and inspires one to learn more.
Oh dear! How can someone like Bishop Robert Baron get criticized is beyond me??!! He's doing so much great work. A true asset to Catholicism and probably understands theology more than most. Yet some people who think they know better. Do they know what the public image of Catholicism is like in the wider world?? Well, hes helping putting it right.
Well said...many know better than Vatican II and the CCC...ad the CDF...but these would be very informed folk who have their own private interpretations .
Bishop Barron strikes me as a highly intellectual person that is quite open to information and learning not just about the faith but about the world as a whole. He is effective because he doesn't build up walls. He isn't scared to pull in references from today's world to give examples or further explain the catholic position. There's two things. His abstractions are sometimes very theological, profound and require a mind attuned to that type of intellectualism. If you're not into very deep analysis and correlations, you may end up misinterpreting what he says. ALSO, as a species, we have a tendency to prefer the comfort of what is familiar and we surround ourselves with people who share our opinions and views. We end up living in a bubble (ie. confirmation bias). Any window to the outside, any introduction or study of an outside topic, any line of "modern" questioning is seen as the enemy. That type of behavior is contrary to the call to evangelize. In order to invite people in, you have to speak about things they are familiar with. Of course, always inkeeping with Church teaching. For one, I think Bishop Barron does a stellar job at that. His language is precise and he often uses words for their root meaning rather than the implied subtext society has tacked onto them overtime. His writing style is akin to scholarly journals. Also, everything Word on Fire puts out has great production quality. Something more catholic outlets should learn to do (*shutters at the cheesyness of some of our media) Overall, I have learned quite a lot from him and am grateful for his work. Pax domini!
Why does Bishop Barron need to be defended, wasn't he clear enough when he spoke to David Rubin on the Rubin Report on homosexuality, when he spoke about the "reasonableness" of most will be saved, when he is the "loudest voice in the room" about the corruption in the hierarchy? Do we need bishops in this time of need to be clear and concise as to the true teachings of the Church or do we prefer bishops that offend no one? It seems that saints like St Teresa of Avila, St. John of the Cross were clear in their writings and certainly St Catherine of Siena didn't speak PC to the pope nor was St. Thomas More "wishy washy" with Henry VIII, imagine St Thomas Aquinas writing his Summa in ambiguous terms, and thie list goes on but NO, Bishop Barron needs his acolytes!
When it comes to Hell and hope for souls, I think we should accept the wisdom of the Church which has told us the way to salvation is narrow and that few find it, but also that we should have hope for all souls. I also don't think we need to divide with each other on this matter as we double down on both knowledge and hope. We need to pray and evangelize and do everything through Our Lady.
To divide the Church is to dismember the Mystical Body of Christ. Christ prayed that we might be one as He and the Father are one. Why do so many of us ignore this?
I assume you,re thinking you are one of those lucky few.. God sure wasted is time, I guess and has more regrets (think:billions of souls in torment for eternity) than Joys. Didnt do a very effective job for His Father, I guess.
Thank you so much for this! I was so confused and worried when I listened to another evangelist say that Bishop Barron was a heretic. I loved when you said, “find another enemy”.
A true disciple of Jesus will always be insulted. Evil spirits will always try to bring Bishop Baron down. Jealousy.
I'm a fan of both Matt and Fr. Mike but this was frustrating because neither men have read Dare We Hope and both are critiquing arguments that neither the book, von Balthasar nor Bishop Barron make.
Matt Frad, you make a good point that T. Marshall should have a dialogue with Barron. However, the bishop has quite literally blocked him online and has explicitly said he refuses to give Marshall the time of day, even though Marshall has offered to have Barron on his show, etc. So, who's really not listening to whom here?
Marshall has reached out to Barron several times and he was blocked by Barron. Barron acts like he has something to hide.
I don't suppose that anybody saw the Bishop say that Christ is the "privileged way" to heaven when speaking with a Jewish man. He was clearly inferring that the man could avoid hell without Christ. Christ himself expressly taught the opposite; "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." The Jewish man was very smart and nice, and overall a very good dude whom I'm sure God loves dearly. Why would Barron risk the man's salvation? Because he didn't wish to offend? Because he was unsure? Because he believes all good dudes go to heaven with or without Christ? I'm afraid he is going to have a very difficult particular judgement.
YOU: I don't suppose that anybody saw the Bishop say that Christ is the "privileged way" to heaven
ME: What are you talking about, plenty of people saw it?
Barron cucked. Plain and simple.
I love Bishop Barron. He is one of the main reasons I came back to the faith. He makes me want to be a better Catholic. The more traditional UA-camrs make the faith very unattractive. Bishop Barron makes me want to not sin and put God at the Center of my life.
N O I don’t understand your question. Lukewarm about what. I love my Catholic Faith. I have a ticket to go to a mass read by our Holy Father on the 12th of December and I can hardly wait.
So glad to see some level headed people here. Stay away from Taylor Marshall, lifesite news, one Peter five and church militant. It's the faith disguised.
Shower of Roses so true. One church militant article called a certain number of bishops the devil. Yes called them straight up the devil. These bishops were wrong in their teaching but calling them the devil. I'm actually embarrassed for church militant they're childish complaining disguised as hard hitting "faithful" news. Church militant used to be called a different name but they were ordered by their archdiocese to abandon the use of the word catholic in their namen
It amazes me that with the crisis that the Church in, which now in 2019 is so clear that it is literaly punching people in the face, there are still so many of you that have your heads buried in the sand. Imagine having so little regard for the truth, lukewarm indeed.
@Shower of Roses I empathize with the "rad trads" much of the implementation of Vatican II was hijacked by modernists. That is a fact. If you want to see what Vatican II had in mind for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass watch EWTN.
Vatican II did not call for the eradication of Latin or Gregorian chant. Yet the liturgists of Western countries did just that with the bishops approval.
Communion in the hand was forbidden as a discipline because the Church wanted to emphasize the HOLINESS of the Blessed Sacrament. European bishops ignored this prohibition to the point where Pope Paul VI allowed ot so as not to have the majority of Communicants doing a disobedient act. Communion rails were torn out of Churches . Beautiful artwork was replaced by minimalist abstract or ugly art.
Once the priest faced the people (verses populum) , he suddenly became a comedian not another Christ (alter Christus) where Christ offers Himself to the Father through the ministry of the priest in expiation for the sins of the world.( This offering is more visibly clear when the priest faces the altar.(ad orientum). Instead, the priest would crack jokes in middle of Mass.(The embezzling and sodomizing pastor used to do just that.)
Then the inclusive language began out of disobedience and eventually found it's way into the liturgy. Some priests continue to be disobedient and change the words of Eucharistic prayer IV from "a Man like us in all things but sin" to " a person like us in all things but sin". This promotes the heresy of Nestorianism which the Coucil of Ephesus condemned in A.D. 431. To correct Father Feminist : Jesus is a Divine Person. NOT a human person.
I could go on and on but I hope you don't just blow off people's ligitamate concerns as Rad trad.
Much of this is over my head- I’m 52 yo - late to the game - but becoming increasingly Catholic. Robert Barron has had a huge positive influence on me. I didn’t know he had so many detractors…?
He brought me into the Church. But I think this conversation is interesting and qualifies as intra-Catholic dialogue.
There are many people, myself included, who appreciate the work of Bishop Barron. Don't let the detractors discourage you.
I don’t think there’s such a thing as being “too late” to the faith. We all grow and learn at different paces. I converted to Catholicism at 18 and 50 years later still learning. ❤️ As long as we continue saying Yes to God it’s all part of His plan. Bishop Barron, Fr. Mike Schmitz, Fr. Calloway, and Matt Fradd are terrific people to learn from. Years ago I’ve even attended several RCIA classes and now I take Bible studies through Ascension Press. We are all a work in progress.
@@cynthialoverofchrist1580 nice message Cynthia. I’m so grateful to be on the journey now.
EVERYONE who has a public presence will have detractors. The greater that presence, the greater the number of detractors. IMHO.
TnT did a review of this conversation today. It's very balanced, professional, mature. My take away is that filial correction is not "picking another enemy". Correcting error is a Spiritual Work of Mercy. In the Legion of Mary I learned that misguided human respect leads souls to ruin.
Didn't Bishop Barron say that there is a reasonable hope that all will be saved? Is this not very close to Origen's error? Didn't Jesus say, at Matthew 7:13-14, that only a few would be saved?
Bishop Barron may be a smooth and polished speaker but Arius, Montanus, Pelagius, Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli may have been smooth and polished speakers too. I have heard that Arius in particular seemed to all who met him a very ascetic and saintly man.
Bishop Barron is also a big supporter of ecumenism. No surprise there. Since we're all going to be saved anyway you might as well choose the easiest religion out there.
St. John Vianney, St. John Bosco, Fulton Sheen, St. Peter Damian, Saint Augustine, St. Mary of Egypt,
St. Catherine of Siena, St. Aloysius Gonzaga, pray for us.
The Little Number of Those Who Are Saved
by St. Leonard of Port Maurice
Saint Leonard of Port Maurice was a most holy Franciscan friar who lived at the monastery of Saint Bonaventure in Rome. He was one of the greatest missioners in the history of the Church. He used to preach to thousands in the open square of every city and town where the churches could not hold his listeners. So brilliant and holy was his eloquence that once when he gave a two weeks' mission in Rome, the Pope and College of Cardinals came to hear him. The Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin, the adoration of the Blessed Sacrament and the veneration of the Sacred Heart of Jesus were his crusades. He was in no small way responsible for the definition of the Immaculate Conception made a little more than a hundred years after his death. He also gave us the Divine Praises, which are said at the end of Benediction. But Saint Leonard's most famous work was his devotion to the Stations of the Cross. He died a most holy death in his seventy-fifth year, after twenty-four years of uninterrupted preaching.
One of Saint Leonard of Port Maurice's most famous sermons was "The Little Number of Those Who Are Saved." It was the one he relied on for the conversion of great sinners. This sermon, like his other writings, was submitted to canonical examination during the process of canonization. In it he reviews the various states of life of Christians and concludes with the little number of those who are saved, in relation to the totality of men.
The reader who meditates on this remarkable text will grasp the soundness of its argumentation, which has earned it the approbation of the Church. Here is the great missionary's vibrant and moving sermon.
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peace be with you
Bishop Barron was a respected teacher amongst Catholic.
This is what makes His Excellency comment so terrible.
It is far more dangerous to Catholics to have a respected bishop teach false than a protestant teacher we know teaches false.
His does not merely say " Dare we hope" but that "we may reasonably hope that all people will be brought to heaven"
There is no evidence for this hope.
We may hope for this and pray for it because God wants all me to be saved (2 Tim 2L1-4) but it is no a reasonable one given Jesus's teaching.
People have heard the truth from him and will assume this is true.
This teaching is as bad if not worse than "faith alone" because it does not even have the requirement of believing in God.
Both have a fruit of apathy to love and obedience.
And whereas indeed he was the Son of God, he learned obedience by the things which he suffered:
And being consummated, he became, to all that obey him, the cause of eternal salvation. (Heb 5:8-9)
Bishop Barron has become the banner around which universalist gather to tell us there is no hell.
And do not dismiss the carrot and the stick so lightly, Jesus seem to use this in Matt 25:31-46
When I left a comment on His Excellency Bishop Barrons page about the dangers of this teaching he flippantly dismisses me saying He will stop teaching it when the Church stops asking him to pray for it.
When I asked him is the Church telling him there is a reasonable hope of it he stopped answering.
It is though they what Christ teaching we must find our hope, not in invented ones.
Bishop Barron needs to correct this teaching.
Please pray for me
God bless you
Father Mike thanks for taking up for the Bishop so tired of the clowns at the circus.
While it may be the body healing itself, the rebuke from the trads was not gentle and friendly, which we are told is the character of Wisdom.
PS thank you Matt Fradd and Fr. Mike for bringing it up. I’ve seen Bishop B on Pints With and Heard Fr. Quote him. I’am glad you both brought it up in such a kind way!!
Also, a bit of intellectual honesty is in order here. No one knows where anyone is going, nor the exact criteria for getting there. I really wish people would stop speaking so authoritatively on these things. Men like Bishop Barron and David Bentley Hart, who are intellectual giants in the field, are at least honest enough to admit that they don't know. What we need less of are these moral judgments on strangers. Let he without sin in his heart cast the first stone.
You are correct to say you don't know as long as you admit you have no faith. The problem is those who claim faith in Christ are also claiming that we don't know where most souls go. Christ said many are called but few are chosen.
@Juan Flores We certainly cannot judge others whether they make it to heaven or not. We can only hope that we get clear directions from those who have been blessed to enter the vocation of the priesthood and help us get there. I do not get that from the Bishop. He is eloquent, rich in information, impressive in knowledge, able to relate to modern thinkers but those are not the function of priesthood. I do not feel his pastoral side. I am just in awe.
Love Fr Mike... I wish he could finish his thoughts before being interrupted. Thank you💙🙏
Bishop Barron could help remedy the situation by accepting Taylor Marshall’s interview for a debate/dialogue. However, Bishop Barron’s unjust critique of Dr. Marshall’s latest book leaves me little room to dare to hope that this debate will actually happen.
Do you have a link to it? I would like to see the critique.
A humble and honest person would engage in a dialogue. I agree.
I pray for you Fr Mike, people like bishop Barron are placing themselves above Jesus and the saints. Please never water down the Gospel because a Matt Fradd wants a certain answer.
Even if hell is a reason for people to stop sinning, it’s a good thing rather than Barron trying to cause laxity. Our Lady showed the Fatima children hell, so it’s definitely real. Barron goes against the Bible and our Lady’s messages, he is teaching heresy. Three times in his video Barron said he believes many are going to Heaven.
Please explain to yourself how a regular joe who never breaks a law and doesn’t do much in life is going to heaven when saints like mother Theresa and her kind spent their entire lives living for the Gospel? Doesn’t Jesus say, the way is narrow that leads to life and you should strive hard for it. Barron probably takes in every stranger that wants to enter his house, but he is not a holy God. The Bible says no filthy thing shall enter the house of God, a mediocre, average tepid person should know what God says. He will spit you out for not being hot or cold. God has told us that many will say, that they preached in his name and did great things. Notice, “many” and he will reply get away from me you evil doers!!!!! Now when you are convinced that Barron is correct, ask him to explain away Jesus.
I wish we had a bishop like Barron in Australia. His teaching on the Real Presence is wonderful. G'day Mate.
I'm not a fan of Bishop Barron, you might regret that.
You can have him
Reading for Monday, September 16 from 1 Timothy 2:1-8. "God...wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth." St. Paul's exhortation that we all pray "lifting up holy hands, without anger or argument." It is also true that Christ wept over Jerusalem knowing that not everybody would accept the salvation offered.
Bishop Barron is a brilliant man , I have learnt much from him, Dr Taylor Marshall is also a brilliant man I have learnt alot from him.
I would love to see these guys have a dialogue, to hash things out. A debate if you like.
Can't have a debate when Bishop Barron blocked Dr. Marshall on Twitter.
Taylor Marshall doesn’t even debate cause he poosy
I agree with Fr Schmitz. Dr Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon are not Bishop Barron's enemies, they are trying to help him with a filial correction of where he is in significant error. They are correcting him with overwhelming respect, I might add, if you listen to their video on it. They have respectfully challenged him to debate and discuss the differences. When you have someone who knowingly contradicts not just Aquinas, but both Aquinas and Augustine, you may want to check their logic rather than promulgate it.
Having read Balthasar's book, I feel compelled to mention that it BEGINS by saying we will all be judged. That is not a "get out of jail free" card by any means. We will be judged. For all their professed piety, Taylor Marshall & Timothy Gordon (neither of whom hold degrees in Catholic theology) will be judged - and who is to say what sins they will need to answer for to Jesus? Balthasar never lets you forget that Hell is a reality. However, his careful examination of Biblical and patristic sources makes it clear that it is God's will is that all will be saved. That is a powerful force to reckon with, and hard for any person to thwart, but it is possible. God will not force Salvation on us. We can still land ourselves in Hell. The key to Balthasar's analysis of the words spoken by Jesus in the Gospels is to distinguish between the pre-resurrection and post-resurrection message he delivers. If you proof-text without attending to the, context, and treat it all as the same, you are tacitly implying that Christ's sacrifice on the Cross had no merit - that the world did not fundamentally changed on Easter morning.
I feel like everyone has lost their mind. Why twist Jesus words. This is why people leave the church. Yall dont get it and it sucks. I was in ministry for a long time and I have seen how people leave the church once doctrine on hell is diluted. Being positive only goes so far.
Most protestant churches that preach the need for repentance of sin or damnation are filled with ex Catholics.
"Daring to Hope" is a very catholic thing to do, in my opinion. Judging is solely up to God. Love BB & love Fr. Mike, too. And of course, Matt, as well.
" Dare to Hope" isnt the right sentiment. We know not all people go to heaven. The church says this in her Councils, and even Jesus says it in the Bible. Its a stupid sentiment, and its not realistic.
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I listen to all you guys. Bishop Barron, the converts, the rightwingers, the ordinary guys, basically I'm a catholic Catholic. Some people think we are chaotic. I believe that if you stay within the boundaries of the Church, you can find your own space. Your own niche if you will. God bless.
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We cannot defend Bishop Barron. He is preaching heresy.
@@pattyocadiz6614 What Fr. Schmitz and Matt Fradd are saying is give credit where credit is due, and correction where correction is due. Prudence would not say to throw the baby out with the bathwater. However, the bathwater does need to be changed out.
Thank you @Simple Living. I appreciate your comment. Our Catholic Church is in a horrendous state. We all need to be praying the Rosary. We need to be in a State of Grace...the Holy Spirit will grant us DISCERNMENT...to know who is actually preaching God's Truth. Mother Mary help us! Amen.
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Bishop Barron is wrong on the hell thing he said but he is really a babe compared Fr Robert Kennedy who has gone Buddhist and installed Dharma successors or Fr James Martin who has gone against Church teaches or Fr Arturo Sosa, head of the Jesuits who denied the devil's existence or clergy men who have gone rogue
1. Cardinal Vincenzo Paglia
2. Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio
3. Cardinal Cupich
4. Cardinal Philippe Barbarin
5. Cardinal Francisco Javier Errazuriz
6. Cardinal Joseph Bernadin
7. Cardinal Godfried Danneels
8. Cardinal Luis Ladatiq Ferrer
9. Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez
10. Bishop Jose Tolentino Mendonca
11. Bishop Gustavo Zanchetta
12. Bishop Michael Bransfield
13. Fr Arturo Sosa Abascal
14. Fr Matthew Schneider
15. Fr Robert Kennedy
16. Fr James Martin
17. Fr Michael Guimon
18. Fr Daniel Montalbano
19. Cardinal Timothy Dolan
20. Cardinal Donald Weurl
21. Bishop Joseph Hart
22. Archbishop John Nienstedt
23. Bishop Richard Malone
24. Fr Quentin Dupont
Matt bro, you should have disabled the comments for this video. Look at the bickering in here !
It's out of control.
That was my experience. I tried to ask for clarification on Ben Shapiro's show on why a Jew should convert, of which the bishop gave Ben no clear answer. Bishop Barron only told me I was wrong on it and gave no direct response, ignoring me and choosing to answer someone else in my same thread. Put not your faith in princes, I guess.
When Shapiro asked him if he thought a Jew could be saved, Bishop Barron could have said something like "pray for the truth" instead of directly saying no. But giving him an unqualified yes makes Barron an indifferentist.
@@GeorgePenton-np9rh That's it exactly.
He also mentioned that getting into Heaven through Jesus was the priviledged way. Not just the only way.
I was a fan of Bishop Barrón but then saw a few of his videos especially when he’s speaking with Ben Shapiro. He’s a very smart man but very modern. I’m a simple man and love the traditional Catholicism where there is no icing on the cake.
His Shapiro interview was terrible. The following week Shapiro had on a Protestant minister, who had no problem at all speaking the Truth about Salvation through Jesus alone.
you would like him to just hit people on the with the Chatechism? thats called not having any sensitivity or common sense. Ive been Catholic all my life and am in no way liberal, and after watching his interviews with Ben shapiro i was impressed how well he spoke with wisdom but also truth. Absolutely, nothing wrong in those interviews.
@Surfdude12 1 I see you love to make general statements of condemnation but can never bring up a specific example of him stating an untruth.
@Surfdude12 1 he says salvation on whatever form is either knowingly or unknowingly through Christ. This is catholic doctrine, so again nothing new here.
@@lionheart5078 Sensitivity to what? Ben's brand line is "facts don't care about you're feelings;" should Barron not simply speak the facts then regarding Salvation through Jesus Christ alone? Or do you not think that factual?
I love you and your work, Matt! But I also love TnT and I have to defend them. I disagree that they have made Bp. Barron into their enemy. They have openly discussed why they disagree with the good Bishop’s opinions about salvation but they have been nothing but kind in their invitation to discuss this with him. Bp. Barron or his staff deleted their invitation on Twitter with no response whatsoever. So if you’re going to talk about this controversy, please be fair and balanced about it.
You are talking as though Bishop Barron has neither freedom nor the capacity to choose and decide for himself. Gain some self knowledge.
That’s fair. When I said “choose another enemy” or some such it made it sound like I was accusing TNT of viewing Barron as such which they do not. Thanks for the correction.
@@pintswithaquinas
After all, the SHOW must go on ...
For Taylor Marshall even Pope is an enemy and he went all the way to visit Pope Francis so that he could 'prove' to everyone that he has nothing against him. Coming back he was even showing everyone what kind of 'faces' Pope made even. Do we have to conclude these are mannerisms that Jesus wants his followers to adopt?
Just watch Bishop Barron videos ...they speak Volumes.... and are drawing teenagers and younger members of the Church ..who have left, dis affiliated or close to it..back into the Faith..my 20 year old Son Jacob is one of them...for that ..I owe Bishop Barron tears of gratitude ..coming to his defense is not needed
Tim Clasen, ignore truthseeker75, it's a 3 month old troll account and a sedevacantist who rejects Vatican Council II and every Pope after Pius XII.
I know this was some time ago but..."The Lord persecutes those that He loves..." If Bishop Barron is so attacked, and mostly from the inside, it causes me to get to know him more and find the "fruits of the labour". "By their deeds you know them"...Word on Fire...
Where did you find that quote "The Lord persecutes those that He loves"? Seems wrong.
@@dominikpavelic5339 I think it is bible related, though I'm unsure of the scripture reference. It's not to say that God is masochistic, but allows us to be tested to see our true faith in Him. Suffering is one of those things. Many if not all the Saints experienced a "trial by fire" so to speak, (that is a reference from Daniel, when the three, including Azariah were thrown into Nebuchadnezzar's furnace...)
Hardships can improve resilience and build character. God builds our characters much the same way.
Ex: I want a house...I'm going to earn money, build credit, and save so that I can get the house. I finally get the house, but a pandemic hits and I lose my job, causing me to miss mortgage payments...I then pray for work and the end of the pandemic...etc.
God doesn't want bad thing to happen to us, but He allows it, if He sees it making us closer to Him...
@@Eowyn3Pride, are these the Bible passages?
"For whom the LORD loves he reproves, as a father, the son he favors." -Proverbs 3:12
Also:
“My son, do not disdain the discipline of the Lord or lose heart when reproved by him; for whom the Lord loves, he disciplines; he scourges every son he acknowledges." -Hebrews 12:5b-6
@@brucebarber4104 it's the refiner's fire...not to be confused with masochism. It's the 'Eyre of the Tiger' so to speak. How does an athlete succeed? A lot of hard work, pain and sufferings but triumphs also. 'Fruits of the Labour' so to speak.
@@Eowyn3Pride, sorry, I was addressing the Scripture reference that you mentioned, "The Lord persecutes those that He loves." The two Scripture passages I referred to seemed similar to your quote.
Ashamed to see all the hate in the comment section. Very few people can hold a candle to to BB intellect, knowledge of church fathers, theology, and philosophy. BB is also a highly nuanced thinker and not just a knee-jerker.
What he said has been highly misrepresented and also please keep in mind he didn’t just make it up out of thin air, he quotes Balthasar, who is a heavy weight theologian.
Ofcourse anyone who is saved is ultimately saved through Christ. But for people to say all non Catholics are going to hell.. well I wish I had never been born into such a world. As a lapse catholic myself I struggle with many issues of the faith, chief among them a world where the set of conditions are most people going to hell. BB has done wonders to answer some of the hardest questions, again, in a highly nuanced way.
False
there is no Salvation outside of the Church. mortal sin is what damns.
Balthasar is a Freemason who encouraged Catholics to partake in the occult (eg. How Catholics should be using tarot cards).
If you side with Balthasar, you definitely are definitely opposed to the Church.
If you don't change your ways Hattori you will definitely be saying to yourself "I wish I had never been born into this world"
You probably are a Freemason.
Balthasar was not agreeing with Origin but an objective reasonable hope that Christ Jesus descended all the way down to the Godforsaken ones in hell. Of course there are souls in hell and souls reject God's efficient grace of salvation because of free will and do not sufficiently grow in virtue to accept Gods mercy. So if God hopes that all men are saved, then why can't we? Do you get the objective stance?
They were not God forsaken. But could not be saved without Christs sacrifice. Do you not understand the multiple levels of hell ? I speak objectively of course ;) .
I find Fr.Schmitz's comments very disturbing here. Does he believe that Indians and other non-catholics are default going to hell? Or the majority? If so, that contradicts tradition from St.Justin Martyr to Lumen Gentium. Would love clarification here
"is this how the body helping itself?" GREAT POINT!!!!!!!!
Barron is doing the work of God. 🙏 He may have made some mistakes along the way but he’s definitely doing a good job of spreading the faith and engaging with the culture in a healthy
The problem is that he refuses to be corrected when called out. As they said, how many souls stray from God due to this heresy of “Reasonable hope that all men are saved.”
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If you met them then the problem is solved I guess. You sure would have told them. How many were there?
"In order to change the world we must see the world as it truly is. Not as we wish it was ."
Pope Leo XIII Author of the Saint Michael Prayer
Bad theology leads to BAD actions.
Case in point, my former pastor had all the appearance of orthodoxy (Eucharistic adoration,May procession, Corpus Christi procession, 40 hours devotions, etc. He was arrested a year ago for embezzling $800000 from the All souls Remembrance envelopes over a number of years. He set up a private bank account and part of that money was used to but homosexual sex.
It seems unlikely that he would not have done so if he feared the fires of Hell. In all likelihood he was taught in seminary "reasonable hope that all may be saved " theology. I know that it is private revelation but the children of Fatima were given a vision of Hell in which they saw HUMAN souls. Our Lady said to them, "You see Hell where the souls of poor sinners GO..."
But she still asked us to pray that God lead *all* souls to heaven, especially those in most need of His Mercy. You can't pray that in vain.
That's what I heard from the bishop. He spent the whole first half of the video talking about how Origen was wrong for saying that all souls will be saved.
@@EC-rd9ys Of course we ask for the Lord's mercy for all souls. However , once a soul has chosen Hell there is no do over. That error in thinking was condemned by the Church years ago. I can't remember which council. That is a choice that humans get to make and it lasts FOREVER. This is why the phrase "reasonable hope that all men may be saved" is erroneous. It encourages spiritual acedia.("Why try to live a Holy and charitable life when in all likelihood I will go to Heaven anyway? ").
@@EC-rd9ys that means make living people become Catholic, nothing else.
Thank you for defending Fr. BARRON, Father
Bishop Baron loves to speak in ambiguities. He needs to clarify in light of orthodoxy, period. Fr. Mike sees nothing wrong with calling out Baron but Matt Fradd does. Just lost a bit of respect for Matt on this one. There’s no room for comfy conservatism in our time. Either commit to tradition or become a modernist. Silence is approval, remember that.
Doesn't the Church teach that we don't *know* that any human soul (including Judas) is in hell? And isn't it consistent with this claim to *hope* that no human being ends up in hell? Why, then, would the von Balthasar/Barron position on this issue be considered a heresy or even a borderline heresy?
'You have more learning than love' beautiful
Scripture says that Gods will is that all shall be saved...and Christ is our hope so...who are we to presume that God can not we everyone saved through us? I've learned to stay in my lane. I witness and leave the saving to Jesus. Great talk. Glad to catch this older one.
Bishop Barron blocked Dr. Taylor Marshall on Twitter, after Dr. Marshall asked to prove a section of Vatican II. I know that probably has nothing to do with this video, but it's just something that made me lose a bit of respect for the Bishop.
@ShariaFreeUK, I agree. I'm not too well versed in the dogma of the Church, but if Vatican II breeds priests, bishops, and even a Pope, that blocks or refuses to engage in conversation with anyone, especially a Catholic, then there's no room for it. Christ went to the sinners to teach them, not to score points or look good.
Bishop B is the man. So is Fr Mike..
If someone thinks otherwise they are either evil or insanely ignorant