Why shadows (almost) always trace out hyperbolas (but it depends on where you live).

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    The path traced out by the tip of the shadow can be...
    1) A circle (if you are on one of the poles during their summer)
    2) An ellipse (if you are in the Arctic or Antarctic circle, but not on either pole, during a day where the sun doesn't set)
    3) A line (this happens if you are anywhere on Earth besides the poles, during either the Spring or Autumn equinox)
    4) A parabola (this happens if you are in/on the Arctic or Antarctic circle during a day where the sun BARELY sets, meaning it sets and rises in the exact same location. This happens twice a year for any point in those circles. If you are ON one of the circles, then it will happen during the Summer or Winter solstice for the Arctic and Antarctic circles respectively).
    5) A hyperbola (If you aren't in one of the places listed above on those specific days, then you'll get this shape. This is what happens at most places on Earth throughout most of the year).
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 160

  • @diogenesoliveira6473
    @diogenesoliveira6473 Рік тому +326

    Wow the guy from the comedy sketches knows quite a lot about maths

    • @Qermaq
      @Qermaq Рік тому +21

      I was thinking the guy from the math videos sure is good at comedy! :D

    • @neithvoid
      @neithvoid Рік тому +3

      jack of (clever and complicated equation to prove 2 is 2 and how it is with the explanation from that one massive book)

    • @resipsaloquitur13
      @resipsaloquitur13 10 місяців тому +1

      Which math?

    • @Qermaq
      @Qermaq 10 місяців тому +2

      @@resipsaloquitur13 All 'em. All the maths.

    • @Colonel_Jurten
      @Colonel_Jurten 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@neithvoidI think it's called mathmatica. I could be very wrong

  • @shauryagupta3644
    @shauryagupta3644 Рік тому +10

    0:02 Zach: "If you go outside-"
    Me: **clicks off**

  • @Michael-vf2mw
    @Michael-vf2mw 8 місяців тому +16

    Zach deserves a prize for how smoothly he was able to throw a burn into the first 20 seconds.

  • @lello.4925
    @lello.4925 Рік тому +83

    Zach dropped😤

    • @neversayxever
      @neversayxever Рік тому +2

      😊

    • @andrerenault
      @andrerenault Рік тому +21

      It’s becoming harder and harder to take these videos seriously when I’m used to hearing the same voice in NSFW comedy skits

    • @KumaBones
      @KumaBones Рік тому +2

      ​@@andrerenault lol right?

    • @zontetaji506
      @zontetaji506 7 місяців тому

      But is he actually correct please prove me wrong ua-cam.com/video/7s5bpeHNwIw/v-deo.htmlsi=tk1mQQETslxVocF4

  • @RC32Smiths01
    @RC32Smiths01 Рік тому +111

    The more creative and lesser-known ways to apply maths and sciences are why I enjoy the two so much. There's never really an end to how we can utilize concepts from either echelon, and that only goes higher the more we learn more about our surroundings and beyond. Cheers.

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 Рік тому +51

    That was really cool how the double cone shape appeared naturally in this problem! I'll definitely remember this.
    My go-to had been the trajectory of particles passing by the sun (or really any situation with an inverse square law): if your speed is slow enough then you'll fall into an elliptical orbit, but otherwise you'll trace out a hyperbola. But it's not easy to actually connect that to conic sections, whereas here that connection is so elegant!

  • @kimsmith8834
    @kimsmith8834 5 днів тому +2

    That flashlight demonstration absolutely FLOORED me. 😮🔦
    Where were you when I was in high school?! 😭

  • @marcfruchtman9473
    @marcfruchtman9473 Рік тому +16

    I really like the flashlight demo. That helped solidify things!

  • @nick-paris
    @nick-paris Рік тому +14

    Imagine how mind blown people were when the discoverers of these mathematics shared them with people of their time. I am equally mind blown. This is by far the best explanation of the sun's position in the sky over the year I have ever seen. My highest praises to you Zach

  • @teucer915
    @teucer915 Рік тому +1

    "Here we got the earth, chilling" made me immediately want to fire ze missiles

  • @louisrobitaille5810
    @louisrobitaille5810 Рік тому +4

    6:49 There's a place in Hawaii where this happens and at noon, the city (or island, idk) looks like a video game on pictures because all the shadows are exactly below the objects that have a "below" and the rest don't have one at all.

    • @Polai010
      @Polai010 11 місяців тому

      This happens because that place is located exactly at the sub-solar point. This does not happen every noon. Vsauce has a great video that covers this topic.

  • @Impatient_Ape
    @Impatient_Ape Рік тому +25

    YAY! A full-length video! I refuse to watch #shorts.

  • @GeoffryGifari
    @GeoffryGifari Рік тому +3

    that rare setting when the sun traces a parabola sounds like the kind of date and place considered sacred by the ancients

  • @perseusgeorgiadis7821
    @perseusgeorgiadis7821 Рік тому +1

    Really missed this type of videos. Brilliant!

  • @Tom-sp3gy
    @Tom-sp3gy Місяць тому

    Wow!!! Thanks for this illustration with the flash light.

  • @TepsiMorphic
    @TepsiMorphic 11 місяців тому +4

    I had to write a 5 pages paper for a project in my analytical mechanics class. The topic was the two-body problem under the Kepler potential (that is a potential that's prop. to the invers of the distance). One part of the project is to investigate what types of orbits that can be obtained given the initial conditions and the system (the two bodies) and it turned out to be conic sections. It's just so wonderful how we are surrounded by patterns.

    • @jakeelsner2963
      @jakeelsner2963 3 місяці тому +1

      Very cool. We studied Kepler, Copernicus and Ptolemy but I never noticed the conic sections in their works. I’m assuming you used a computer program with Kepler’s data? Also, what is your major?

    • @TepsiMorphic
      @TepsiMorphic 3 місяці тому

      @@jakeelsner2963 Because the problem was restricted to two bodies, no computers were required, the differential equations governing the problem were solvable by hand. I would however need a computer if three bodies were involved because then the system is chaotic. As for Keplers data, it was mentioned how he used it to conjecture the laws but the approach i used to prove them didn't rely on any data. It was just setting up and solving some differential equations.
      As for my major, I used to be a physics major but i switched last year to pure math.

  • @user-km8sf9nj9k
    @user-km8sf9nj9k Рік тому +4

    Omg, I started watching your videos in 2018 or 2019 and because of your second channel, I am physically unable to tell, if you want to explain something, or you're just telling a joke, thank you for your amazing content❤❤❤

  • @BlissfulMisanthrope
    @BlissfulMisanthrope Рік тому

    Dude! Your videos hit on a different level! 🍻

  • @ReflinWulf
    @ReflinWulf Рік тому

    I love when you upload to this channel

  • @liamhagan4434
    @liamhagan4434 Рік тому

    Wow, that was fantastic. Thanks!

  • @MathOrient
    @MathOrient Рік тому +5

    Wow, hyperbolas just got a whole lot more fascinating! Thanks for sharing this hidden gem of knowledge!

  • @bernaridho
    @bernaridho Рік тому +2

    Great video!

  • @mivids100
    @mivids100 Рік тому

    I love these math videos, more pls zach

  • @michaelmounts1269
    @michaelmounts1269 Місяць тому

    well done!👍

  • @haniyasu8236
    @haniyasu8236 Рік тому +1

    The sass at the beginning is off the charts and I love it

  • @natenoisy7571
    @natenoisy7571 Рік тому

    wow, this was pretty cool to know. the visuals were really helpful

  • @pabloariza2295
    @pabloariza2295 Рік тому

    zach u make such cool vids 🔥

  • @benhsu42
    @benhsu42 Рік тому +1

    Thanks! I never thought about how the flashlight is a cone before!

  • @markday3145
    @markday3145 Рік тому

    Very cool! Bonus points for using Elastigirl as a prop.

  • @NaincySingh-ut2ov
    @NaincySingh-ut2ov Рік тому

    I have been binge watching all your vedios since last few days. Really enjoyed your content ❤. Thanks for reawakening my interest in maths.

  • @J1Bracket-lf9pn
    @J1Bracket-lf9pn 4 місяці тому

    Woah! I just now realized that "conic sections" is referring to sectioning (i.e., slicing through) cones. When I was in high school and my teacher said we were going to begin studying conic sections, I thought she was referring to the sections of the textbook dealing with conics. That was 25 years ago. I've since earned a EE degree and have been immersed in mathematics for most of my life at this point. Yet, I'm just now putting it together after seeing your video thumbnail. I feel both dumb and enlightened. Well done!

  • @Amine-gz7gq
    @Amine-gz7gq Рік тому +4

    Hi Zach, can you make a video about bode plots ? Thanks

    • @zachstar
      @zachstar  Рік тому +4

      Oh that's a good idea

  • @IshrakIfti
    @IshrakIfti 4 місяці тому

    I really wanted to see how conic sections change with eccentricity, but couldn't find anything that was satisfying and intuitive. Like at which point does a parabola becomes an ellipse? All of a sudden, found this video. Thank you so much for this! This is exactly what i wanted to see!

  • @memerightsactivist7972
    @memerightsactivist7972 11 місяців тому

    Always nice to see he’s still hilarious on the main, educational channel

  • @justanotherperson2960
    @justanotherperson2960 Рік тому +1

    Finally new video🎉

  • @amit2.o761
    @amit2.o761 Рік тому +2

    isn't the axis of rotation of rotation is tilted with respect to sun

    • @zachstar
      @zachstar  Рік тому +1

      Yes it is. But still, no matter what that tilt is, the sun is going to appear to do circles perpendicular to that axis of rotation. The tilt is why there can be days in the arctic circle where the sun never sets, or why the sun is never directly above us unless you're in between the tropic of cancer and tropic of capricorn. You can see why in this image. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer#/media/File:Axial_tilt_vs_tropical_and_polar_circles.svg

    • @amit2.o761
      @amit2.o761 Рік тому

      @@zachstar that means the axis 9f rotation shouldn't necessary at north pile ,right

  • @karolinagadek7679
    @karolinagadek7679 3 місяці тому

    I cant imagine how narrow-minded I'd be without educational videos like that one. If not for UA-cam I still wouldn't know where Math can be applied. Thanks for educating us!:)

  • @nicrule4424
    @nicrule4424 Рік тому +1

    This video was great! I’m sending it to my mom so she can use it in her class next year.

  • @suhaimimazed1136
    @suhaimimazed1136 Рік тому

    Finally a video!

  • @CaseyEm
    @CaseyEm Рік тому +5

    Can someone make a concept art of what kinda weapon a hyper-bola would be. Like, bolas are basically clackers on longer strings, so what would a hyper-bola be?

  • @KING-ll2mz
    @KING-ll2mz Рік тому +1

    That flashlight thing was really cool...

  • @TheOwlman
    @TheOwlman Рік тому +2

    7:00 Not just the equator - the equinoctial line is straight irrespective of latitude by virtue of the axis of rotation being tangent to the minor axis of the elipse that is our orbit, though the equatorial line is the only one that passes through the gnomon of a horizontal dial. I even made a timelapse of the line in March 2021, and I definitely live nowhere near the equator!

    • @TheOwlman
      @TheOwlman Рік тому

      12:35 Aha, I should have waited until I had time to finish the video😁 Nicely presented.
      Edit: 14:28 I _really_ should have waited! Your next foray into dials should be the analemmics, they will give endless scope for your evident graphical presentation skills and you can nicely illustrate the equation of time from our tilted elliptical orbit. All the best.

    • @lunaticluna9071
      @lunaticluna9071 11 місяців тому

      maybe rephrase that in less science terms

  • @alexbennie
    @alexbennie Рік тому +5

    Owlman is about to get a spike in his viewership.
    Well deserved.

  • @awara_hu
    @awara_hu Рік тому +1

    Superb❤

  • @TrimutiusToo
    @TrimutiusToo 11 місяців тому

    Inside the arctic circle you can have an elliptical sundial... At least one actually exists from what i know

  • @taktoa1
    @taktoa1 Рік тому +1

    You forgot to include the case where you are in the arctic/antarctic circle during winter, in which case the set of shadowed points over the course of a day is empty.

  • @Orion6479
    @Orion6479 3 місяці тому

    It is so hard to take you seriously after all those sketches 😂

  • @JustRollin
    @JustRollin 11 місяців тому +1

    Zach is the type of guy who makes a video about conic sections.

  • @readjordan2257
    @readjordan2257 Рік тому

    7:29 which explained away my confusion.

  • @poprostujotube1880
    @poprostujotube1880 Рік тому +1

    At this point this is his second chanel

  • @christopherellis2663
    @christopherellis2663 Рік тому +2

    Well, it's a pretty flash light, but it's really an electric torch 🔦

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 Рік тому +1

    3:23 **gasp**

  • @s.sahu.08
    @s.sahu.08 6 місяців тому +1

    So amazing dude really found it useful you got a new regular viewer.....from BHARAT that is INDIA ❤❤

  • @paulmanhart4481
    @paulmanhart4481 4 місяці тому

    Very interesting. Thanks.
    Check out a paper I wrote called “Swept Conics”. I think it was at the 2010 International Optical Design Conference. But maybe the 2006.
    Hammer a nail at one of the focal points of a conic and sweep it about that axis. Lots of fun stuff. I got a patent on some of this stuff for applications to optical systems, like converting a point source to a diffraction limited line or arc of light. I was surprised to see that Bang and Olufsen has a speaker (Beo 5) that uses this exact concept for an acoustic lens. They place a speaker at the focal point of a tilted ellipse and it spreads the sound out into a 180 degree arc.
    Conics are fun.
    Thanks for the tutorial here.

  • @KumaBones
    @KumaBones Рік тому +1

    Babe wake up, Zach just dropped a new vid.

  • @quazzydiscman
    @quazzydiscman Рік тому +3

    If a tree falls in a forest and nobody's is around to hear it, its trunk shape is a hyperbola.

  • @willswift94
    @willswift94 Рік тому

    "The surface of the earth is a flat plane" lol

  • @coulie27
    @coulie27 Рік тому +1

    Sweet vid 😎

  • @hkayakh
    @hkayakh Рік тому +1

    God in the first 20 seconds you already roast us

  • @chewymustard6426
    @chewymustard6426 10 місяців тому

    Me in southern alabama wondering why the sun is above me at noon sometimes 💀💀

  • @alejrandom6592
    @alejrandom6592 10 місяців тому

    1:31 I felt so smart and so stupid at the same time

  • @pedrocapitao9268
    @pedrocapitao9268 Рік тому

    1:30 Very cool

  • @AskAKill99
    @AskAKill99 11 місяців тому

    Funny when he said if you've never seen a cone cut in half in real life "then you're wrong"

  • @cjrm15macpherson20
    @cjrm15macpherson20 Рік тому +1

    i like how he sounds semi-passive-agressive for the whole video

  • @ericjane747
    @ericjane747 2 місяці тому

    The reflector in the flashlight has the bulb in the Loci of a PARABLOIC Dish to have the light leave straight out. It is So a candle is a better demonstration tool.

  • @real_michael
    @real_michael Рік тому

    Wow this was a very good video. Sun dials are definitely cool.

  • @IamLifeNugget
    @IamLifeNugget Рік тому

    This video ended up teaching me more about earths rotation than the conic sections

  • @huddy2463
    @huddy2463 5 місяців тому

    for some reason i feel like i know zach personally just from the way he talks

  • @jenspettersen7837
    @jenspettersen7837 Рік тому +2

    I wonder if I could help improve the translation of this video into Norwegian. I see the auto-translate translate "plane" into "aircraft"(should be "en flate", not " et fly"), "wall" into "wool" (should be "veggen, not "ullen"), "which shape will it make" into "which "shape will it do" (should be "hvilken form vil den lage" not "hvilken form vil den gjøre", "cone" (kjegle) and "point" (punkt) goes untranslated. and are interpreted as names.

  • @li-ion6333
    @li-ion6333 Рік тому +1

    Just learned it few weeks ago at my Analytic Geometry classes, thats cool as fuck, math is really cool sometimes, but its also hard

  • @hkayakh
    @hkayakh Рік тому

    Woooo!!! We got whiteboard Zach!

  • @therandomperson9627
    @therandomperson9627 Рік тому +1

    Do you have other examples

  • @F.E.Terman
    @F.E.Terman Рік тому +2

    Now on a _flat_ earth, of course, the shadow of the stick's tip always describes a circle. (Sorry flerfs, you did this yourself.)

  • @JoshuaGutz
    @JoshuaGutz 11 місяців тому

    What about the lesser known conic section of two intersecting lines? From the equation x^2=y^2, with two intersecting line solutions of y=x and y=-x.

  • @Global-yt
    @Global-yt 11 місяців тому +1

    5:13 "This is the idea for most people" My brother half the world lives in East/South Asia
    It's just the Western world (which to be fair has the most UA-cam viewers in general) that revolves on that axis

  • @crowmaster9652
    @crowmaster9652 Рік тому +3

    To all highschoolers he is only explaining conics in algebra 2 and mentioning that you might touch the other stuff if you pursue mathematics as a career which is very unlikely
    also this stuff is not practical nor convenient just something to have fun exploring if you can understand it

    • @crowmaster9652
      @crowmaster9652 Рік тому +1

      @Paul O'Reilly no no you got the right idea
      its just connecting practicalness with this mathematics and the issue is this type of mathematics doesn't do much for an individual. Sure might make the brain smarter but whats the point if there is no funding for further research? Without funding technology starts to stagnate

  • @parreiraleonardo4189
    @parreiraleonardo4189 Рік тому +1

    If conics are sections of a cone, are quadrics a hypersurfice of some four-dimentional solid??

  • @alangrant5278
    @alangrant5278 11 місяців тому

    Hmm there ain’t no South Star for the Southern Hemisphere but you can work out south from the Southern Cross

  • @hungushumongous3019
    @hungushumongous3019 Рік тому

    wait this isnt a shitpost skit, its actually a really nice and helpful video

  • @irlshrek
    @irlshrek Рік тому

    Eccentricity!

  • @shisir_nayak2377
    @shisir_nayak2377 Рік тому

    The relatibility between sun shadow and conic sections is unexpected. You made me a little less dumb.

  • @chipperphilly5083
    @chipperphilly5083 Рік тому

    He got me in the first second

  • @santiagoblandon3022
    @santiagoblandon3022 Рік тому +1

    hey! your globe is spinning the wrong way! D=<
    Great video btw :)

  • @DrDeuteron
    @DrDeuteron Рік тому

    You left out point. You can slice a conic and get a point, with as many cuts as give you a circle......

  • @tobyfitzpatrick3914
    @tobyfitzpatrick3914 Рік тому

    I can read!!

  • @sankalppatidar4975
    @sankalppatidar4975 Рік тому

    2:10

  • @smallguy1113
    @smallguy1113 Рік тому +1

    5:05 bro excluded everyone in china and India, some how they don't count as "most people"

  • @bensparrow3356
    @bensparrow3356 Рік тому

    Hey I've got that shirt from Flammy!

  • @DeathSugar
    @DeathSugar Рік тому +2

    Application of hyperbolas sounds off in this case, coz when was the last time you looked for the shadow path shape? it's barely applicable to the sundial mechanics and at most useful for some artists nowadays. Energy collectors definitely doesn't look for shadows but the sunny path and it's sphere sections.

  • @EkShunya
    @EkShunya Рік тому

    can u tell me the animation software,Pretty please :)

    • @zachstar
      @zachstar  Рік тому +1

      If you are talking about for the 3D software I was using it's called Runiter.

  • @igorbondarev5226
    @igorbondarev5226 Рік тому

    Difference with Zach Star Himself channel gets increasingly vague in this vid

  • @28aminoacids
    @28aminoacids 11 місяців тому

    Wait, isn't the axis of rotation of earth in 66° angle with the plane of it's revolution around the sun?

  • @maxmusterman3371
    @maxmusterman3371 Рік тому

    But what happens to australia? Does the earth rotate around the sun there?

  • @Jaylooker
    @Jaylooker Рік тому

    Nice

  • @pablobadia4864
    @pablobadia4864 Рік тому +1

    Zach, are you doing grad school for something with applied mathematics?

    • @zachstar
      @zachstar  Рік тому +1

      No but I want to at some point. Right now I just self study for fun.

  • @Qermaq
    @Qermaq Рік тому

    Technically, the relationship between the Earth and the Sun changes slightly through the day. So the shape will probably be a slightly warped hyperbola, starting out as one and finishing as another that's a tiny bit different.

  • @chandanapalit5674
    @chandanapalit5674 5 місяців тому

    You need a Nobel 🎉🎉

  • @gesellschaftskritischer_7360
    @gesellschaftskritischer_7360 10 місяців тому

    Flat earthers gonna love this video

  • @Life_42
    @Life_42 Рік тому

    I'm in Miami :)

  • @raymitchell9736
    @raymitchell9736 Рік тому

    ☀😎AWESOME VIDEO!!! Loved it, so clearly explained!!! NEXT should be: "Analemmas" Here's the question: "If you were to walk out every day exactly at noon, assuming no clouds, and noted the sun's position... what shape would sun appear to trace?" I won't spoil the answer, and if you don't know, before you google the answer make a guess, Circle? Ellipse? Well, maybe... but not likely in your location on Earth... It's not what most people would expect.
    Okay one more WOW! And what blows people's minds, I know it did mine, okay... so after you know the shape, then you're informed: you've already seen the analemma if you've ever looked at an old maps or globe... Ok, mind blown? 🤯 and suddenly you say... "OH BLEEP! THAT'S WHAT'S IT'S FOR" yep... and you never thought twice about it, didn't realize what it was or how they were used. We forgot all about the old tech, back in the day this was useful information that people used before we had our modern technology, and THAT is why they put them on the maps... Analemmas are COOL too 😎 Cheers