@@cedhtv one loses a third of its value after you buy it and the other goes up in value over time, I’ll take the pile of cardboard that will increase in value rather than the car that will lose half its value over the course of a few years 😂😂
Excellent as always, I never get tired of seeing a dech tech by you even if I won't play it. It's so educational and makes me a better player. Thank you :D
Really good discussion, especially liked how you brought up different deck lists and discussed the pros and cons of different deck building choices. Keep up the good work, you're helping me (a new cedh player) to become better 👍
Damn, I thought I was going to be the only person rocking a Rograk/Silas deck lol but at least now I know that I was on to something and that he will be worth the investment. Great video thanks!
Your welcome. I think this is quite popular. A lot of players wanna try a new version of what they alredy have. I think that might be the reason. Glad you liked the video.
Great Video as always! I love playing that deck and the coolest thing until now was, that most of the people totally underestimated the Kobold & Silas, but now they maybe will respect it :( sadly no sneaky turbo wins anymore :/ I can also recommend Aether Spellbomb to bounce dockside/to draw cards and sometimes you can bring it back with Silas 👍
loved the pirate but also love the revert to the OG I built with some edits the trubokaalia deck which is super fun but this looks great as an old time norin player. love mox amber immediate value
I had a farm deck but my meta is terrible for it. My three friends who I play with have - Zirda stax, blood pod, and Chulane with tons of hate bears. They hated my deck 😂. They have cards like trick bind and angels grace to screw my thassas Oracle. On the whole I couldn’t deal with basically a turn one hate piece, or even two! Then by turn 3 the board was absolutely flooded with them.
Great video mons! Just wanted to ask, is there any viable decklists you've seen for akiri miara lurrus? I'm trying out a turbo ad naus/underworld breach/grindy version. Also obeka looks sick, do you think she's viable?
Haven't really had time to look into that commander. So many new cards from commander legends and some are almost functional but they need some time to evaluat. And I just haven't had that time. I don't really like Obeka but there is someting there. But I don't think it is going to be that good.
Hi mons! Love ur channel and videos! I was wondering is there a way I can send you a decklist? I've brewed a deck for the past 6 months that I think could be awesome in the new meta and I think you'd really like it
You can join my discord and send me a decklist there. My name is MicroMonkey on discord. But I don't promiss that I will look. I am getting a lot of decklist sent to many and sometime I forget peopel among all the people. Your not the only one asking. But feel free to send me decks.
Been testing Tymna + Falthis as a midrange farm deck. Not really competitive viable but it’s fun in high tier and I like the novelty of having a deck called Kitty Farm
I dont agree with Wishclaw or Symetry, unless you have opposition agent out or in hand with mana open. Both of those scream for opponent to get Force of Will/Pact of Negation.
What about Tragic Slip? Since your gameplan kind of relies on sacking a commander, it could be clutch? Probably too situational for a list as tight as this tbh.
I understand that it is an all in strategy but Im not really a fan of all the bounce spells. Snap makes sense since it is sort of free but the upside of bouncing dockside, 1 card in your 98, sounds far too niche. Its not really like fatal push is going to miss any hatebears either.
Snap is free, winds can sort of combo with breach and disrupt top deck tutors, chain is just sweet, in my deck seal is just on trial currently but the idea is that noone will counter it and it just sits there stopping hullbreacher opp agent etc and then can be used when dockside comes. Also the biggest point is that they are great of an ad naus since you almost always draw dockside/tutor for dockside and atleast one bounce spell to really kickstart the mana post naus
@@sPontus I guess off an ad naus is a fair point and I dont really play ad naus so Im not super informed but it sounds like it prolly doesnt need the added consistency these bring it. Also depends on your dockside it needs to make 4+ mana to benefit off of the bounce spells that actually require mana which isnt always a given and if you have to tutor for him seems like it would make it hard to really benefit. It is an interesting idea though and its probably alot better than im giving it credit for.
@@gnarly814 you're right and wrong. It doesn't NEED it but having as many cards do as possible have as many roles as possible makes list able to be way tighter and more reliable. Chain of vapor is a really interesting example of this. It can be used ad one time single target removal, it can be used as a ritual by bouncing all your fast mana (and saccing your lands) and in the right scenarios it can essentially be a boardwipe if you play it correctly/set up the right scenarios. Also this is a meta thing but the current online meta that most people play in has pretty stacked docksides. 5 treasures turn 2 and 7-8 treasures turn 3 while not the norm isnt as unreasonable as it should be to count on But everything boils down to player preference and meta. In my experience bounce spells are really good because of the storm element and if there is a stax piece locking you, you just bounce it when you're ready to go and then win before it comes back. But if there's to much stax hard removal and whipes might be needed
Sorry PandaOf Love. The singing stays. Even if you pay me money. It is just an outro. Sorry that you don't like it. But I like singing too much. Also I don't always use it. I often have a normal talk outro that I use. I rotate them arround.
I edited a list and this is what i managed. I added retract and hurkyl's recall as mana dumps in combo. I went with a more all in tactic with a necropotence line of win. www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/3557696#paper
For some reason, the introduction of Deak got lost in the editing. But the third version with necropotenc is from Deak.
would love to see your budget ($750-$1k) take on this deck
its quite funny actually how you can get a volvo v70 for cheaper than a magic deck named after it
haha. You know that is actually funny. A big chunk of metal that can travel. Or a pile of cardboard with art.
@@cedhtv one loses a third of its value after you buy it and the other goes up in value over time, I’ll take the pile of cardboard that will increase in value rather than the car that will lose half its value over the course of a few years 😂😂
This has been my competitive turbo ad naus build for the last 6 months and it’s ripping through my locals! Thanks for the idea
Your welcome. Happy your doing good.
Excellent as always, I never get tired of seeing a dech tech by you even if I won't play it. It's so educational and makes me a better player. Thank you :D
Glad to hear that.
When you said "It's the fastest Ad Nauseum Turbo" I wasn't sure what to think. Now that I have seen the video, wow.
It definitely got some potential. I am also glad you were sceptic.
Really good discussion, especially liked how you brought up different deck lists and discussed the pros and cons of different deck building choices. Keep up the good work, you're helping me (a new cedh player) to become better 👍
happy to hear that. I didn't want it to take too much time of the video. But I thought it would be good to have. Glad you find some value here :)
Mons, excellent deck tech as usual. Great breakdown and explanation of card choices and why.
Thank you no one.
Never thought I would see a Kobold in Cedh
That makes 2 of us.
Prossh, Skyraider of Kher: I'm gonna show you an entire horde of Kobolds.
I am just transitioning from Kess into Roger/Silas in an attempt to speed up my meta. Thanks for the detailed breakdown (and the song at the end)!
Your welcome. Might make new songs in the future.
Loved the end to this video definitely become a patron asap! Excellent video as always
Damn, I thought I was going to be the only person rocking a Rograk/Silas deck lol but at least now I know that I was on to something and that he will be worth the investment. Great video thanks!
Your welcome. I think this is quite popular. A lot of players wanna try a new version of what they alredy have. I think that might be the reason.
Glad you liked the video.
Thanks again for another upload, Mons. You are my cEDH guru.
Your welcome. There is sooo much to do ATM so many new cards and soo many new updates. I hope people don't get tierd of soo many uploads.
Hahaha, that won't happen. We can never get tired of you or your uploads, Mons.
Great Video as always! I love playing that deck and the coolest thing until now was, that most of the people totally underestimated the Kobold & Silas, but now they maybe will respect it :( sadly no sneaky turbo wins anymore :/ I can also recommend Aether Spellbomb to bounce dockside/to draw cards and sometimes you can bring it back with Silas 👍
That Aether spellbomb actually sound nice. Could be a cool thing. I am going to suggest it to pontus.
Aether Spellbomb is so perfect in this deck. Interaction piece, value with silas and cheap artifact. Unsubstantiate too.
As soon as I saw this picture I immediately thought of culling the weak. I'm using it to power out my 7 or 8cmc commanders on turn 3 or 4 in casual
loved the pirate but also love the revert to the OG
I built with some edits the trubokaalia deck which is super fun but this looks great as an old time norin player. love mox amber immediate value
I had a farm deck but my meta is terrible for it. My three friends who I play with have - Zirda stax, blood pod, and Chulane with tons of hate bears. They hated my deck 😂. They have cards like trick bind and angels grace to screw my thassas Oracle. On the whole I couldn’t deal with basically a turn one hate piece, or even two! Then by turn 3 the board was absolutely flooded with them.
Don't play turbo ad nauseam vs that.
@@cedhtv I actually made a version of your sisay deck! It’s done amazing
Great video mons! Just wanted to ask, is there any viable decklists you've seen for akiri miara lurrus? I'm trying out a turbo ad naus/underworld breach/grindy version. Also obeka looks sick, do you think she's viable?
Haven't really had time to look into that commander. So many new cards from commander legends and some are almost functional but they need some time to evaluat. And I just haven't had that time.
I don't really like Obeka but there is someting there. But I don't think it is going to be that good.
Wouldn't Jeska, Thrice Reborn be a better option in place of Rograkh?
It would be a different deck. What rograkh gives is speed where jeska gives controll. It depends on what you need vs your playgroup.
@@cedhtv Got it, thanks for the explanation!
Have a budget list?
Just FYI I’m still working on Weird Farm I’ll make it cEDH viable if it’s the last thing I do.
😂😂
I belive in you. But I belive more in Tymna tana :P
@@cedhtv this is a fair statement
I just built this deck Friday, only played it fishbowl so far
Hi mons! Love ur channel and videos! I was wondering is there a way I can send you a decklist? I've brewed a deck for the past 6 months that I think could be awesome in the new meta and I think you'd really like it
You can join my discord and send me a decklist there. My name is MicroMonkey on discord. But I don't promiss that I will look. I am getting a lot of decklist sent to many and sometime I forget peopel among all the people. Your not the only one asking. But feel free to send me decks.
@@cedhtv no worries thanks a lot! See you on discord then!
I love balls-to-the-walls/glass cannon decks like these
Can this deck work on a budget without the super high end cards like LED?
It should work kinda fine. But your breach combo is gone. Or got a lot weaker as you have to use lotus petal and dark rituals. So yes but weaker.
Been testing Tymna + Falthis as a midrange farm deck. Not really competitive viable but it’s fun in high tier and I like the novelty of having a deck called Kitty Farm
It also has a really sweet interaction with Hatred being a 1 card combo with the little lizard XD
@@AresOMegas you’re thinking of kediss. Falthis is the cat partner
@@uphillwalrus5164 oh my bad, didn't realize you went just Orzhov
BackupYeti is a friend of mine lol. That was weird
I dont agree with Wishclaw or Symetry, unless you have opposition agent out or in hand with mana open. Both of those scream for opponent to get Force of Will/Pact of Negation.
Barbed sextant and chromatic star are good for Silas as they fix mana and draw a card
Nice video and Toss a coin to your twitcher !
Thank you. Glad you liked the video and it's outro.
Hey yeti is famous!
What about Tragic Slip? Since your gameplan kind of relies on sacking a commander, it could be clutch?
Probably too situational for a list as tight as this tbh.
A bounce spell would still do better like blink of an eye.
@@cedhtv fair, the utility with dockside is just that spicy.
I understand that it is an all in strategy but Im not really a fan of all the bounce spells. Snap makes sense since it is sort of free but the upside of bouncing dockside, 1 card in your 98, sounds far too niche. Its not really like fatal push is going to miss any hatebears either.
You can definatly play fatal push instead. nothing wrong with that. There might be other ideas too.
Snap is free, winds can sort of combo with breach and disrupt top deck tutors, chain is just sweet, in my deck seal is just on trial currently but the idea is that noone will counter it and it just sits there stopping hullbreacher opp agent etc and then can be used when dockside comes.
Also the biggest point is that they are great of an ad naus since you almost always draw dockside/tutor for dockside and atleast one bounce spell to really kickstart the mana post naus
@@sPontus I guess off an ad naus is a fair point and I dont really play ad naus so Im not super informed but it sounds like it prolly doesnt need the added consistency these bring it. Also depends on your dockside it needs to make 4+ mana to benefit off of the bounce spells that actually require mana which isnt always a given and if you have to tutor for him seems like it would make it hard to really benefit. It is an interesting idea though and its probably alot better than im giving it credit for.
@@gnarly814 you're right and wrong. It doesn't NEED it but having as many cards do as possible have as many roles as possible makes list able to be way tighter and more reliable.
Chain of vapor is a really interesting example of this. It can be used ad one time single target removal, it can be used as a ritual by bouncing all your fast mana (and saccing your lands) and in the right scenarios it can essentially be a boardwipe if you play it correctly/set up the right scenarios.
Also this is a meta thing but the current online meta that most people play in has pretty stacked docksides. 5 treasures turn 2 and 7-8 treasures turn 3 while not the norm isnt as unreasonable as it should be to count on
But everything boils down to player preference and meta. In my experience bounce spells are really good because of the storm element and if there is a stax piece locking you, you just bounce it when you're ready to go and then win before it comes back. But if there's to much stax hard removal and whipes might be needed
Just call him Roger, son of a gun. Also, if I join your Patreon, would you PLS stop singing then? KAPPA Love your channel dude. Sincerly
Sorry PandaOf Love. The singing stays. Even if you pay me money. It is just an outro. Sorry that you don't like it. But I like singing too much. Also I don't always use it. I often have a normal talk outro that I use. I rotate them arround.
I love the singing! It’s so funny and awesome
Ah man
I miss the old new song
Also awesome vid as always
Have you considered at least one or two polymorph spells?
I think that would be a different deck. Might be a good deck but no poly for this deck.
I edited a list and this is what i managed.
I added retract and hurkyl's recall as mana dumps in combo. I went with a more all in tactic with a necropotence line of win.
www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/3557696#paper
All decks works and are broken when cost 5k dollars or more this deck cost around 7k... Obviously is going to be broken hehehe
Cara, pfv não canta kkkk
Sorry. I don't really know what you are saying there.