Of all the videos of yours I've watched over the last 2 years, THIS was the most important to me. I am so glad you did this. My fully laden travel trailer is maxed at about 7,000lbs. As of today, an EV truck might not be feasible for more than 75-80 miles per charge for me. That would be 3 charges from Reno to my hometown Sonoma coast. On a good day. Still less expensive than Nevada or California gas (still over $5/gal here) so the debate continues. I know the tech will get better in the near future so I'll sit on the idea until that exact trip can get by on just two charges. Thank you so much for this!!!
When they shut down all the coal fired electrical plants how much do you think electricity will cost (if and when you can get it)? Wind and solar ain't going to cut it and forget about hydro with the so called drought. That leaves fission as the only some what reliable 24/7 energy source but there's no way we can build them fast enough. The two under construction in the US are years behind schedule and billions over budget. So where does that leave us?
@Van Man you sound scared of change, not quite like a real science denier. I do think you need to read more about it because your points are archaic in their substance. We can literally create an unending stream of electricity within our own bodies and that tech itself is starting to finally come into play with our daily components. It's only a matter of time before human energy itself is a social biometric. Get with today, not yesterday.
Stopped 10x in 1000 miles. 100 miles at a time, with 45-50 minutes of Sitting and waiting each time ?? NEVER will I do that in my Life. Next add in the time to wait to get an open "pump" IF they were to ever get popular. NO THANKS, NOT ME.
Night a day difference from the first one. You could see you were stressed at times but at the same time it looks like you reached a comfort level from getting more driving experience with the EV. Looks like you summed it up perfectly. This is not a long range towing vehicle yet. Can you see overlanders setting it up with racks a rooftop tent, slide out kitchen, solar panels, and of course a gas generator. Sort of an apocalyptic survival rig that takes a week to charge after each drive. 😆 If I remember correctly Ford and or some towing systems have weight and detentions inputs for trailers. Also part of blind spot monitoring systems. Also Ram I believe. So Rivian should in theory be able to code similar data. As always thanks for providing us with Edutainment content. 👍🤙😉
These states that are actively attempting to keep EVs off their roads make no sense to me. Seems it would make economic sense to encourage people who can afford $80,000 trucks to be in your state spending money.
Texas, Tesla's HQ state, doesn't allow people to buy a Tesla in Texas due to franchised dealer laws. What's the deal? Their kids need nannies, private schools, orthodontics, and BMWs at 16. Then there is college and grad school followed by very expensive weddings and let's not forget down payment help for the house in the country. Politicians have expensive lifestyles. Those that pay to keep the status quo, bribe better than the barbarian at the gate.
Great Video!!! I'm in Ca where EV is being pushed hard. I can't imagine driving interstate 5 and having to stop that many times and for the lengths of time per stop. Especially, for women travelers who try to chose the safest stops possible. I really appreciate the info you shared!
As a Tesla owner I agree with the "everyone to themselves" at Tesla charging stations. For me it's not an issue, since most of the places I charge are by coffee and restaurant places. I just go grab food or a drink. Haven't charged at a place outside of city on a long trip, who knows maybe it's a different experience.
I’ve had several Teslas since 2014 and I’ve had nothing but wonderful experiences at charging stations. We have met some very interesting people that eventually became friends. The charge time has decreased incredibly so Tesla owners just don’t spend that much time anymore at charging stations. We are getting a Rivian soon and very excited. Thank you for another great video.
Wow! You are Leading Edge, my man!! What a practical test and great experience to share! While the results maybe are not entirely shocking, the conclusions would not necessarily be obvious to those who have little to no experience with EV towing - that is, probably everyone.... As for Tesla owners -- I think, maybe, many of them have grounds to be kinda grumpy -- just my take from watching a number of Rich Rebuilds videos re Tesla issues.... Thanks for another educational and eye-opening vid Jarrod!
That car looks like a giant pain in the ass that cost more money and more time than it's worth and we should never get rid of gas powered vehicles for the people that want to own them. Maybe there'll be more of them if we add more nuclear power across the country and that would be better but even still the trade off looks like a giant pain in the ass
Your truck is so sweet and the little trailer is adorable. I’m so glad you vlogged about your experience! Not surprised at all about the anxiety of getting to the next station. I’ve had the same anxiety driving my gas car thru eastern Washington and Montana let alone Wyoming. But it’s the time factor that hurts me. I’m not sure I’m ready to be that patient.
You wouldn’t be able to calculate range based on weight. Aero is just as important as weight, so it would have to know everything about how airflow impacts your load as well as the weight.
Good video! Honestly road tripping in an EV if you don't have tight timing, is really relaxing...taking a 25-45 min stretch/meal break every 2-3 hours is great. That's my R1T configuration exactly! Can't wait to get it, and will be adding a hardshell RTT and pulling a small drop like that(Intech Flyer Pursue).
Thanks Jerrod. I will be out there EVing with you, waiting for my Canoo EV. I don't expect this to happen for about a year, but it will happen. Hopefully there will be more innovation, more charging stations, more acceptance in general. This will help with all of our stress levels in the EV and future EV community. Sorry you are the guinea pig, but you are providing excellent information. Thanks again.
When towing a long distance you don’t have much of a choice and because you use more power the regenerative breaking comes back within 15 minutes of driving
I’ll do a video on this soon enough that it’s not efficient enough for car companies try and do that. It’s all about math, even if you could fit 2000 watts of solar on a car (which is a lot and likely closer to fitting 1000 watts). Most EV’s are about 100kWh and charging at 2kWh it would take about 2-4 weeks depending on sun conditions, time of year, etc. What I could see happening is more efficient foldable solar panels that you could plug into the EV only if you were out camping far from civilization. But that would be for “worst case” thing
Great vid, which only highlights that e.v's for long journeys and carrying/towing heavy loads requires plenty of time to execute. As a commercial application I think we are still quit a few years away. Once the majority have e.v's the issue will be HOW LONG YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO GET A FREE CHARGING STATION and hopefully it actually works. Keep up the great vids.
I love the chatty conversation part. That's so true. You look upon a Tesla owner. You can see them! 😱What's 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 That's so bad. Personality is all we have in life.
Thanks for putting this out there! I have watched a number of long range towing vids like yours using the Rivian and the Lightening. I agree, it's doable but time consuming and stressful. I also agree that the R1T should be fine for short range towing but even that depends on the available charging infrastructure. I have a max pack on order (who knows when I will get it 😀) in the hope that I will only have to stop once to get to my destination since all of my trips are less that 300 miles. One thing that I did learn for sure is that I will need to start carrying a bottle of windex and a squeegee. I am so used to having one available at a gas station stop. Maybe they will add them to the EA stations.😁
Great video Jarrod. Thank you. About mileage - Do you think it's only the weight amount that should be included? What about road elevations of steepness?
LOL..."Open and Honest " ... As soon as he got back from this trip he QUIETLY without any mention of this POS , he unloaded it. EV's will NEVER work beyond a LOCAL vehicle to take one to the LOCAL Store, or Church on Sunday. You typical cross country driver wants to DRIVE 10-12 hours per day, and put in aprox 700+ miles a day. Thant's NOT going to happen in an EV !
Gotta get a lighter and/or aerodynamic trailer. I have a roundish fiberglass 21ft travel trailer and get ~170mi on my large pack. Adding a wind deflector to my roof gave me like 20+ mi range. Im going to build a cone for the front of trailer next and see what that does 🤷🏻
A Better Route Planner is the go to app for EV calculations I believe. Give it a go. It factors in the wind, temperature etc. including the car you are using. I think it even has a tow option. Have a plug in hybrid so short distances only, and I've not used the app per say. Great video as always Jarrod . Many thanks.
Great video Jared and a real world test. A few minor points that would have been good to have in the video. First, especially speaking as a Canadian (or someone outside of USA) it would have been nice for you to show the route on a map of your trip. Second, it would have been good to note the wait time for charging, either as a total time for all stops, or an average time for each stop (I know you noted you made ten stops). The big issue is certainly the extra time for charging and even more of an issue is RANGE ANXIETY, especially towing a package. Thanks again Jared!
Can you do a video with camper attached on the truck bed EDIT: And that is true with the superchargers. Some folks just want to charge and go. Me personally, I don't want to socialize because I find it awkward for some reason lol
I don't own an EV, and this is not meant to be a flame, just some facts. I towed roughly 3000 lbs, a small car for 2000 miles up here in Canada with a gas powered car. I can't remember the exact mileage but it might have been as good as 20 mpg. Although EV's are new, it seems clear they have great torque for performance and sports car / sports truck experiences. Heavy loads might not be their strength.
A 3100 lb car with manual trans pulling a small car on a U haul car dolly - so roughly a 3k gas car pulling a 3k trailer, which was at the safe limit of the hitch and the cars capabilities. I can see people with ICE RV's towing a small EV - all depends on the price for electricity.
Since this video did Rivian make the towing weight software update you suggested? It seems to me that towing a teardrop with any EV for 100 miles and then having to stop and recharge for an hour would be a pain over a long trip. Drive for an 1 1/2 hours. Stop for 1 hour. Repeat. EV battery technology is still too nascent to be used for towing and living life on the road.
Not sure what upgrades they’ve done. Unfortunately I had to get rid of mine due to other reasons. That said I miss that truck and it’s not so much the ev but the infrastructure itself needs many improvements. Road trips can be done but towing road trips would be tough for sure
@@JarrodTocci Agreed. People travel around the country in a Prius, Rivian, and Tesla. It's towing that's the problem. At the moment, the ICE is still superior.
Thank you! I really liked this video! It was a real eye opener. Electric is the future, no question. But it's not quite there for me, yet. Need longer range and more charging stations especially in more remote areas where I like to go.
My trailer is 3,800 Lbs full payload & gear including passengers 4,700 lbs From Miami to Kentucky it would take me over 15 stops Not Happening. Now the GM EV Truck will most likely get me there in less then 8 stops .. @ an average of 67 mph.
Great video! Would love to see someone do a comparison between towing with the rivian vs a gas / diesel pickup. Would be good to see the range and efficiently differences and costs as well. Id imagine that the non electrics also take a huge hit
Thanks for the video. This is why we are waiting for the max pack. I was anticipating the max pack plus towing we could still get 300 miles. But given your experience maybe we can only expect 200 (when towing a 1500 pound trailer)?
honestly, screw the electric truck just get a normal truck that's arguably way cheaper for a way, better truck, yes, gas is expensive, but it's way more efficient than having a set at a charging station all night, which adds a lot longer too already almost a full day drive time trip
You know the reason Tesla owners don't chat when charging at the Superchargers is because the car charges too fast to even find time to mingle with other people charging specially after you eat and take your bathroom break 😂😂. Alot of Tesla owners also don't want to waste their time at the charging stations where they could be somewhere else.
Not all TESLA owners but, more than not are snobbish. Sometimes is depends on where the charging location is. TESLA owners driving through rural areas like Limon, Colorado were quite friendly and amused about my excitement.
Did I talk about that in this video? I’m sorry I don’t remember but to answer you, not a lot at all. You’re burning too much and to charge this car battery at 2kwh it would take about 3 days. The battery in this is 137kwh so it’s just math from there. Remember Solar you’re only getting that recharge on good sunny days
This was cool! Thank you for sharing it with us. I think it really depends on what kind of travel you want to do, the cost of the 'fuel', and/or if you 're environmentally minded. For me it ticks all three. I want to go with a scamp (type) camper and will go with an EV pickup. Not the Rivian. She's purdy, but out of my price range. I want to make lots of stops along the way, and go at a slower pace. I am a few years out yet, so things will probably advance even more by then. & Did you do film the trailer at all? Did I miss that video? I'd love to see that set up!
In response to your note at time stamp 14:00: The range is not just the weight of what is being towed, the wind resistance needs to be apart of such calculations. Rivian would need to know details about what is being towed, that can be provided by the trailer mft., to make such a adjustment on range.
@@JarrodTocci It would be great if you could name the load, and it remembered it so that it could do the calculations based on past towing of that load. After the first charge you could say still towing the same load and it would then "know" how the range is affected by the load instead of always going to 50%. If you had a boat, a trailer and a camper you could have all 3 in memory and select it (or a new load) to get prior range experience with the load for calculations. It should get quite good at estimating after a while with a frequent tow.
I’ll stick with my gas 22’ frontier that gets 511 miles on a full tank. Stoping 10 times on a 1000 mile trip is not for me, plus doesn’t seem like your saving anything charging the truck over someone in a gas truck.
@@LilyWasHereMB because ID is lacking in infrastructure for these systems, especially between towns. Capitalism only works if there is money to be made, this will help jump start these systems in the state now.
What was your hours cost? I understand that’s a harder question to answer, but it matters big time. I make $60 per hour, is that time worth it? Huge questions there, environmentally wise as well as personally. Long haul matters as much as commuting. Electric doesn’t answer traveling any easier, yet.
No I haven’t. I’m still debating if I’m going to put out the one I have. It’s the prototype and not their production model and in my opinion I’d rather show the true NS-1 instead of talking about what it’s going to have
It would cost me about $240 to drive my Sprinter 1000 miles @ $4.75 per gallon. I would have to stop on the road twice (plus my initial fill upon leaving). What is the benefit? It’s like your purposely inconveniencing yourself and adding a middle man.
It’s not about that. I went over numbers for the sake of going over them but not try to convince it’s less expensive. There are a lot of benefits to having an EV and it doesn’t mean cost of fuel. And if we are splitting hairs then I do believe in long run it’s less expensive to have an ev over gas/diesel but to each their own
@@JarrodTocci I appreciate the metrics and inside look at EV ownership. I think they are great and have a purpose if you stay local. I also like the idea of being to charge your vehicle off of a solar bank. That being said it doesn’t make sense for people who regular travel long distance. I appreciate your transparency.
Because I was borrowing a prototype camper I didn’t want to have my pup in something that is not mine. I left her with family and there were 3 other dogs at the house. Would never leave her in bad hands
Hi Jarrod, you had to stop 10 times how long at each stop? And the electric for you EV is that produced by oil or coal? We should be looking at other alternatives such as biofuels that work with the combustion engine the Dakar Rally winner was using biofuels from recycled plastic and a car race team in Europe is running their cars on grape fermentation so there are alternatives, and lithium. is not not eco friendly to mine !!
Sorry Jarrod, but that guy is totally wrong. I have a 2013 Tesla Model S, and every time I go to a supercharger, people talk to me. Maybe because I have an old-school Tesla that gets free supercharging for life, and It's wrapped in a beautiful liquid copper. I never have to worry about a supercharger not working either. I can't wait for my Cyber Truck. Nothing is going to come close to that truck over 500 miles of range.
It’s not when brake is pressed. It’s called regenerative braking and it’s actually done by taking your foot off the accelerator. It will automatically break which will cause it to recharge very slightly
How long are you waiting there for a full charge, just wondering what the charge time adds to the trip if your having to stop 20 times over 1000 miles?
During the tow portion? Because I needed more of a full charge I’m guessing 50 minutes but I need to go back and look at notes. I made small adjustments on my drive back to be quicker. It’s all about learning the ev
You were nervous? Like you didn't even bother looking at Plug Share 1 time to plan a route? Or double-check electrify America and plan a route? 100 different affiliate links and you don't know?
I started towing my work trailer and jet ski with my EV UTV since it pulls just like my truck. Obviously not on public roads but seeing how much you had to stop and charge; i won't be investing in an EV for any long hauls.
It’s only rude/DB behavior (9:00) if you block the chargers when towing if you leave the rig and don’t move it when others need to charge. You are in fact NOT a DB.
Great trip, and documentation As for 10 stops a long time to get there HUH? One of the annoyingly safe features of EVs forces the driver to rest while fueling.....not a bad side effect considering the increased risks of driving drowsy or even what I like to call, hwy hypnosis, happens to me tailing a car on a boring road with sun glare, or red rear lights at night
Rivian is definitely a great truck and I feel there are some improvements to be made but I’d be shocked if they can get much better with towing. It’s not easy
There is a story out there now about a 17 year old on Florida that has invented an electric motor that does not use very expensive rare earth magnets, has higher torque at lower rpm and, is as much as 37% more efficient than the standard current designs. Motor, materials, and battery tech rapidly improving and the infrastructure is catching up. Soon, petro propulsion could go the way of the dinosaurs which, is pretty ironic if you think about it. Just not yet.
The current EV motors are 90% or more efficient. It's impossible to be 37% more efficient since 100% efficient is the limit. AC Induction motors don't have rare earth magnets and have been aroundnfor over 100 years. Motors won't be the innovation to fix the ailments of EVs. Energy storage density and charge time are the issues. The Hydrogen Fuel Cell is the answer AFTER low cost electric power generation is available. Until then, EVs arent the answer.
In North America, the terms 220V, 230V, and 240V all refer to the same system voltage level. However, in the 1950’s most of the 110v has been switched over to 120v. Sometimes I get caught saying 110 by mistake but honestly they are the “same.” And I hang around a lot of old school electricians so a lot of them say 110 so maybe I picked up on it. In the end it’s really no big deal and surprised I wasted this amount of time writing this
Of all the videos of yours I've watched over the last 2 years, THIS was the most important to me. I am so glad you did this. My fully laden travel trailer is maxed at about 7,000lbs. As of today, an EV truck might not be feasible for more than 75-80 miles per charge for me. That would be 3 charges from Reno to my hometown Sonoma coast. On a good day. Still less expensive than Nevada or California gas (still over $5/gal here) so the debate continues. I know the tech will get better in the near future so I'll sit on the idea until that exact trip can get by on just two charges. Thank you so much for this!!!
What is your time worth?
When they shut down all the coal fired electrical plants how much do you think electricity will cost (if and when you can get it)? Wind and solar ain't going to cut it and forget about hydro with the so called drought. That leaves fission as the only some what reliable 24/7 energy source but there's no way we can build them fast enough. The two under construction in the US are years behind schedule and billions over budget. So where does that leave us?
@Van Man you sound scared of change, not quite like a real science denier. I do think you need to read more about it because your points are archaic in their substance. We can literally create an unending stream of electricity within our own bodies and that tech itself is starting to finally come into play with our daily components. It's only a matter of time before human energy itself is a social biometric. Get with today, not yesterday.
@@aaronrogers1971 So is that what all those pod people were doing the Matrix? You might be on to something.
Stopped 10x in 1000 miles. 100 miles at a time, with 45-50 minutes of Sitting and waiting each time ?? NEVER will I do that in my Life. Next add in the time to wait to get an open "pump" IF they were to ever get popular. NO THANKS, NOT ME.
It’s for nerd boys . It’s a hobby. They love it. Sense of purpose in life “can make it “ 😂
Night a day difference from the first one. You could see you were stressed at times but at the same time it looks like you reached a comfort level from getting more driving experience with the EV.
Looks like you summed it up perfectly. This is not a long range towing vehicle yet. Can you see overlanders setting it up with racks a rooftop tent, slide out kitchen, solar panels, and of course a gas generator. Sort of an apocalyptic survival rig that takes a week to charge after each drive. 😆
If I remember correctly Ford and or some towing systems have weight and detentions inputs for trailers. Also part of blind spot monitoring systems. Also Ram I believe. So Rivian should in theory be able to code similar data.
As always thanks for providing us with Edutainment content. 👍🤙😉
These states that are actively attempting to keep EVs off their roads make no sense to me. Seems it would make economic sense to encourage people who can afford $80,000 trucks to be in your state spending money.
Texas, Tesla's HQ state, doesn't allow people to buy a Tesla in Texas due to franchised dealer laws. What's the deal?
Their kids need nannies, private schools, orthodontics, and BMWs at 16. Then there is college and grad school followed by very expensive weddings and let's not forget down payment help for the house in the country. Politicians have expensive lifestyles. Those that pay to keep the status quo, bribe better than the barbarian at the gate.
No woke like people allowed or wanted. Sad, image how much quieter we could be
@@thejackofalltravels8267 I was unaware only the “woke” have EV’s.
Great Video!!!
I'm in Ca where EV is being pushed hard. I can't imagine driving interstate 5 and having to stop that many times and for the lengths of time per stop. Especially, for women travelers who try to chose the safest stops possible.
I really appreciate the info you shared!
As a Tesla owner I agree with the "everyone to themselves" at Tesla charging stations. For me it's not an issue, since most of the places I charge are by coffee and restaurant places. I just go grab food or a drink. Haven't charged at a place outside of city on a long trip, who knows maybe it's a different experience.
Thank for keeping it real. It is always much more helpful to know the reality.
I’ve had several Teslas since 2014 and I’ve had nothing but wonderful experiences at charging stations. We have met some very interesting people that eventually became friends. The charge time has decreased incredibly so Tesla owners just don’t spend that much time anymore at charging stations. We are getting a Rivian soon and very excited. Thank you for another great video.
At Highway speed, air drag is a larger factor than weight. Either way the truck should be able to calibrate for the additional load.
Omg I really love this video…super cool
Wow! You are Leading Edge, my man!!
What a practical test and great experience to share! While the results maybe are not entirely shocking, the conclusions would not necessarily be obvious to those who have little to no experience with EV towing - that is, probably everyone....
As for Tesla owners -- I think, maybe, many of them have grounds to be kinda grumpy -- just my take from watching a number of Rich Rebuilds videos re Tesla issues....
Thanks for another educational and eye-opening vid Jarrod!
That car looks like a giant pain in the ass that cost more money and more time than it's worth and we should never get rid of gas powered vehicles for the people that want to own them. Maybe there'll be more of them if we add more nuclear power across the country and that would be better but even still the trade off looks like a giant pain in the ass
Your truck is so sweet and the little trailer is adorable. I’m so glad you vlogged about your experience! Not surprised at all about the anxiety of getting to the next station. I’ve had the same anxiety driving my gas car thru eastern Washington and Montana let alone Wyoming. But it’s the time factor that hurts me. I’m not sure I’m ready to be that patient.
I have a tesla and he's right most of the time. Seems like the older crowd will chit chat but the younger folks not so much. Lol
Lol 😂 damn
You wouldn’t be able to calculate range based on weight. Aero is just as important as weight, so it would have to know everything about how airflow impacts your load as well as the weight.
Good video! Honestly road tripping in an EV if you don't have tight timing, is really relaxing...taking a 25-45 min stretch/meal break every 2-3 hours is great.
That's my R1T configuration exactly! Can't wait to get it, and will be adding a hardshell RTT and pulling a small drop like that(Intech Flyer Pursue).
Thanks Jerrod. I will be out there EVing with you, waiting for my Canoo EV. I don't expect this to happen for about a year, but it will happen. Hopefully there will be more innovation, more charging stations, more acceptance in general. This will help with all of our stress levels in the EV and future EV community. Sorry you are the guinea pig, but you are providing excellent information. Thanks again.
Please remember, if you charge to 100%, you kill the regenerative braking.
When towing a long distance you don’t have much of a choice and because you use more power the regenerative breaking comes back within 15 minutes of driving
Really hope at sometime we can install solar panel on top of vehicle to trickle charge as you drive...even panels on camper to aid charging.
I’ll do a video on this soon enough that it’s not efficient enough for car companies try and do that. It’s all about math, even if you could fit 2000 watts of solar on a car (which is a lot and likely closer to fitting 1000 watts). Most EV’s are about 100kWh and charging at 2kWh it would take about 2-4 weeks depending on sun conditions, time of year, etc. What I could see happening is more efficient foldable solar panels that you could plug into the EV only if you were out camping far from civilization. But that would be for “worst case” thing
Great vid, which only highlights that e.v's for long journeys and carrying/towing heavy loads requires plenty of time to execute. As a commercial application I think we are still quit a few years away.
Once the majority have e.v's the issue will be HOW LONG YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO GET A FREE CHARGING STATION and hopefully it actually works. Keep up the great vids.
I love the chatty conversation part. That's so true. You look upon a Tesla owner.
You can see them! 😱What's
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's so bad. Personality is all we have in life.
Thanks for putting this out there! I have watched a number of long range towing vids like yours using the Rivian and the Lightening. I agree, it's doable but time consuming and stressful. I also agree that the R1T should be fine for short range towing but even that depends on the available charging infrastructure. I have a max pack on order (who knows when I will get it 😀) in the hope that I will only have to stop once to get to my destination since all of my trips are less that 300 miles.
One thing that I did learn for sure is that I will need to start carrying a bottle of windex and a squeegee. I am so used to having one available at a gas station stop. Maybe they will add them to the EA stations.😁
Great video Jarrod. Thank you. About mileage - Do you think it's only the weight amount that should be included? What about road elevations of steepness?
Open and honest. We couldn’t ask for more.
LOL..."Open and Honest " ... As soon as he got back from this trip he QUIETLY without any mention of this POS , he unloaded it. EV's will NEVER work beyond a LOCAL vehicle to take one to the LOCAL Store, or Church on Sunday. You typical cross country driver wants to DRIVE 10-12 hours per day, and put in aprox 700+ miles a day. Thant's NOT going to happen in an EV !
Gotta get a lighter and/or aerodynamic trailer. I have a roundish fiberglass 21ft travel trailer and get ~170mi on my large pack. Adding a wind deflector to my roof gave me like 20+ mi range.
Im going to build a cone for the front of trailer next and see what that does 🤷🏻
Drove a Tesla Model 3 from NY to Miami. Met some super personable Tesla owners. Had many pleasant conversations while charging.
Glad to hear that
A Better Route Planner is the go to app for EV calculations I believe. Give it a go. It factors in the wind, temperature etc. including the car you are using. I think it even has a tow option. Have a plug in hybrid so short distances only, and I've not used the app per say. Great video as always Jarrod . Many thanks.
Sounds like fun.
Great video Jared and a real world test. A few minor points that would have been good to have in the video. First, especially speaking as a Canadian (or someone outside of USA) it would have been nice for you to show the route on a map of your trip. Second, it would have been good to note the wait time for charging, either as a total time for all stops, or an average time for each stop (I know you noted you made ten stops). The big issue is certainly the extra time for charging and even more of an issue is RANGE ANXIETY, especially towing a package. Thanks again Jared!
Definitely should of shown that. I have 1 more video about the drive so maybe I’ll show that
Can you do a video with camper attached on the truck bed
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And that is true with the superchargers. Some folks just want to charge and go. Me personally, I don't want to socialize because I find it awkward for some reason lol
LOL... a camper installed on a "truck" with a 3' bed.!! Will you be sleeping standing up ? SORRY, that's not a "truck" .
That weird moment when you see the address of your local Walmart as the destination on the GPS...
Finally I found a video seeing an EV tow a small trailer rather than some maxed out 30 footer.
Great video so much information. Keep it up.
As someone who does live in Colorado, I can’t imagine driving 1000 miles away to camp. That’s the appeal of CO.
I don't own an EV, and this is not meant to be a flame, just some facts. I towed roughly 3000 lbs, a small car for 2000 miles up here in Canada with a gas powered car. I can't remember the exact mileage but it might have been as good as 20 mpg. Although EV's are new, it seems clear they have great torque for performance and sports car / sports truck experiences. Heavy loads might not be their strength.
A 3100 lb car with manual trans pulling a small car on a U haul car dolly - so roughly a 3k gas car pulling a 3k trailer, which was at the safe limit of the hitch and the cars capabilities. I can see people with ICE RV's towing a small EV - all depends on the price for electricity.
Bada bing…customer service! Great
Since this video did Rivian make the towing weight software update you suggested? It seems to me that towing a teardrop with any EV for 100 miles and then having to stop and recharge for an hour would be a pain over a long trip. Drive for an 1 1/2 hours. Stop for 1 hour. Repeat. EV battery technology is still too nascent to be used for towing and living life on the road.
Not sure what upgrades they’ve done. Unfortunately I had to get rid of mine due to other reasons. That said I miss that truck and it’s not so much the ev but the infrastructure itself needs many improvements. Road trips can be done but towing road trips would be tough for sure
@@JarrodTocci Agreed. People travel around the country in a Prius, Rivian, and Tesla. It's towing that's the problem. At the moment, the ICE is still superior.
Thank you! I really liked this video! It was a real eye opener. Electric is the future, no question. But it's not quite there for me, yet. Need longer range and more charging stations especially in more remote areas where I like to go.
My trailer is 3,800 Lbs full payload & gear including passengers 4,700 lbs From Miami to Kentucky it would take me over 15 stops Not Happening. Now the GM EV Truck will most likely get me there in less then 8 stops .. @ an average of 67 mph.
Great video! Would love to see someone do a comparison between towing with the rivian vs a gas / diesel pickup. Would be good to see the range and efficiently differences and costs as well. Id imagine that the non electrics also take a huge hit
Love the scenery 😍😍
Thanks for the video. This is why we are waiting for the max pack. I was anticipating the max pack plus towing we could still get 300 miles. But given your experience maybe we can only expect 200 (when towing a 1500 pound trailer)?
with your trailer, how many miles were you getting per kwh?
honestly, screw the electric truck just get a normal truck that's arguably way cheaper for a way, better truck, yes, gas is expensive, but it's way more efficient than having a set at a charging station all night, which adds a lot longer too already almost a full day drive time trip
You know the reason Tesla owners don't chat when charging at the Superchargers is because the car charges too fast to even find time to mingle with other people charging specially after you eat and take your bathroom break 😂😂. Alot of Tesla owners also don't want to waste their time at the charging stations where they could be somewhere else.
Not all TESLA owners but, more than not are snobbish. Sometimes is depends on where the charging location is. TESLA owners driving through rural areas like Limon, Colorado were quite friendly and amused about my excitement.
I've been wondering for awhile now, how much range could you add with 1kw or better of solar on an RV roof.
Did I talk about that in this video? I’m sorry I don’t remember but to answer you, not a lot at all. You’re burning too much and to charge this car battery at 2kwh it would take about 3 days. The battery in this is 137kwh so it’s just math from there. Remember Solar you’re only getting that recharge on good sunny days
Those charging stations need to give you some windshield washing buckets.
You still have "Camper" hairs on your shirt. LOL :D @0:50
Likely my dogs hair 😂 but could be Camper
Wondered.
Truth is in the telling. How good was the dog hair?
This was cool! Thank you for sharing it with us. I think it really depends on what kind of travel you want to do, the cost of the 'fuel', and/or if you 're environmentally minded. For me it ticks all three. I want to go with a scamp (type) camper and will go with an EV pickup. Not the Rivian. She's purdy, but out of my price range. I want to make lots of stops along the way, and go at a slower pace. I am a few years out yet, so things will probably advance even more by then. & Did you do film the trailer at all? Did I miss that video? I'd love to see that set up!
In response to your note at time stamp 14:00:
The range is not just the weight of what is being towed, the wind resistance needs to be apart of such calculations.
Rivian would need to know details about what is being towed, that can be provided by the trailer mft., to make such a adjustment on range.
I understand that. But it could give more accuracy with knowing weight. It will adjust is you have drag so I understand that much
@@JarrodTocci It would be great if you could name the load, and it remembered it so that it could do the calculations based on past towing of that load. After the first charge you could say still towing the same load and it would then "know" how the range is affected by the load instead of always going to 50%. If you had a boat, a trailer and a camper you could have all 3 in memory and select it (or a new load) to get prior range experience with the load for calculations. It should get quite good at estimating after a while with a frequent tow.
👍👍👍 Good video. Cool stuff.
I’ll stick with my gas 22’ frontier that gets 511 miles on a full tank. Stoping 10 times on a 1000 mile trip is not for me, plus doesn’t seem like your saving anything charging the truck over someone in a gas truck.
Idaho just recently allocated a lot of cash to build EV stations about every 50 miles along highways in the state.
Why? What happened to capitalism?
@@LilyWasHereMB because ID is lacking in infrastructure for these systems, especially between towns. Capitalism only works if there is money to be made, this will help jump start these systems in the state now.
What was your hours cost? I understand that’s a harder question to answer, but it matters big time. I make $60 per hour, is that time worth it? Huge questions there, environmentally wise as well as personally. Long haul matters as much as commuting. Electric doesn’t answer traveling any easier, yet.
Why not stick a solar panel on top to charge while on long trips?
Not nearly enough Solar to handle that
Towing is now the Achilles’ heel of EV trucks!
How big is campet?
Did you do a video for the Campworks NS1 yet?
No I haven’t. I’m still debating if I’m going to put out the one I have. It’s the prototype and not their production model and in my opinion I’d rather show the true NS-1 instead of talking about what it’s going to have
Fine make us wait! Hahaha! I'll be looking forward to it when you do make one.
But how long was every stop? Yessss less $$ but you compensated with time right?
It would cost me about $240 to drive my Sprinter 1000 miles @ $4.75 per gallon. I would have to stop on the road twice (plus my initial fill upon leaving).
What is the benefit? It’s like your purposely inconveniencing yourself and adding a middle man.
It’s not about that. I went over numbers for the sake of going over them but not try to convince it’s less expensive. There are a lot of benefits to having an EV and it doesn’t mean cost of fuel. And if we are splitting hairs then I do believe in long run it’s less expensive to have an ev over gas/diesel but to each their own
@@JarrodTocci I appreciate the metrics and inside look at EV ownership. I think they are great and have a purpose if you stay local. I also like the idea of being to charge your vehicle off of a solar bank. That being said it doesn’t make sense for people who regular travel long distance.
I appreciate your transparency.
Man I thought I was getting a good deal when EA is 54 cents 🤦♂️
could you maybe get an adapter that would allow you to use tesla's infrastructure?
How much is the expected weight of your tiny house? Altogether?
Where is Glacier? 🐕
Because I was borrowing a prototype camper I didn’t want to have my pup in something that is not mine. I left her with family and there were 3 other dogs at the house. Would never leave her in bad hands
Very interesting
How many times have you stood around having a chat at a gas station
Hi Jarrod, you had to stop 10 times how long at each stop? And the electric for you EV is that produced by oil or coal? We should be looking at other alternatives such as biofuels that work with the combustion engine the Dakar Rally winner was using biofuels from recycled plastic and a car race team in Europe is running their cars on grape fermentation so there are alternatives, and lithium. is not not eco friendly to mine !!
Hey, that's great! You can stop for a fresh hot coffee every two hours, while the truck is charging.
Sorry Jarrod, but that guy is totally wrong. I have a 2013 Tesla Model S, and every time I go to a supercharger, people talk to me. Maybe because I have an old-school Tesla that gets free supercharging for life, and It's wrapped in a beautiful liquid copper. I never have to worry about a supercharger not working either. I can't wait for my Cyber Truck. Nothing is going to come close to that truck over 500 miles of range.
Was this the large battery model?
Yes. 305 range if I remember correctly
Cool challenge! Just wondering - Does the Rivian generate power when the brakes are pressed? (That would help on downhill segments of a journey.)
It’s not when brake is pressed. It’s called regenerative braking and it’s actually done by taking your foot off the accelerator. It will automatically break which will cause it to recharge very slightly
How long are you waiting there for a full charge, just wondering what the charge time adds to the trip if your having to stop 20 times over 1000 miles?
10 times not 20 sorry!
What was your average charging time?
During the tow portion? Because I needed more of a full charge I’m guessing 50 minutes but I need to go back and look at notes. I made small adjustments on my drive back to be quicker. It’s all about learning the ev
@@JarrodTocci Are you saying that you drove for two hours and then had to charge for 45 minutes?
You were nervous? Like you didn't even bother looking at Plug Share 1 time to plan a route? Or double-check electrify America and plan a route? 100 different affiliate links and you don't know?
Depends on who is driving the Tesla, you just haven't met my son he is very social, LOL you may have to plan your get away
10 stops for 1000 miles, no thanks!
So don’t?
HI Jarrod dosent rivian have a charging planner in the computer that can tell you where to stop?
I think it does but with towing all the math was all over so I didn’t trust it
Go Sea Dogs!
Awesome video!!! My ex has a Tesla and he's a douchebag. Now I secretly flip all Tesla's off. 🤷♀😏
I started towing my work trailer and jet ski with my EV UTV since it pulls just like my truck. Obviously not on public roads but seeing how much you had to stop and charge; i won't be investing in an EV for any long hauls.
It’s only rude/DB behavior (9:00) if you block the chargers when towing if you leave the rig and don’t move it when others need to charge. You are in fact NOT a DB.
Appreciate it
Maybe drive more nighttime hours to avoid using the a/c on high.
Windows down cause much less efficiency Because of drag
you going to Guttrd in October. I'm going but I been trying to get a in touch with Wes to get the address is there any way you can send it to me
Yes I will be there and I think the location in on their website
I emailed Wes but he didn't reply to me
I find the address and thanks for replying to me 😀
They are getting data from you. So maybe it will be in future Rivians
I don’t think I have that much impact 😂
Great trip, and documentation
As for 10 stops a long time to get there HUH?
One of the annoyingly safe features of EVs forces the driver to rest while fueling.....not a bad side effect considering the increased risks of driving drowsy or even what I like to call, hwy hypnosis, happens to me tailing a car on a boring road with sun glare, or red rear lights at night
LOL.. drive 100 miles ( about 1 /12 hours, stopping and "resting" for 45-50 minutes ?? ) I'm almost 70, and I don't need that many naps per day !.
Why not just set up the CW with a 50/30 amp adapter?
They have something in the works
I wonder if the Cybertruck will be more efficient with towing
Rivian is definitely a great truck and I feel there are some improvements to be made but I’d be shocked if they can get much better with towing. It’s not easy
Tesla is the Apple of electric!
There is a story out there now about a 17 year old on Florida that has invented an electric motor that does not use very expensive rare earth magnets, has higher torque at lower rpm and, is as much as 37% more efficient than the standard current designs. Motor, materials, and battery tech rapidly improving and the infrastructure is catching up. Soon, petro propulsion could go the way of the dinosaurs which, is pretty ironic if you think about it.
Just not yet.
The current EV motors are 90% or more efficient. It's impossible to be 37% more efficient since 100% efficient is the limit. AC Induction motors don't have rare earth magnets and have been aroundnfor over 100 years. Motors won't be the innovation to fix the ailments of EVs. Energy storage density and charge time are the issues. The Hydrogen Fuel Cell is the answer AFTER low cost electric power generation is available. Until then, EVs arent the answer.
Looks like electric cars get more bugs on the windshield.
Summer time driving my friend
Where is your dog ?
I would never do that. No thanks.
Very cool truck, BUT that range suks 👎🏽
Nightmare Range
Not very practical for independence and very unsafe !
Also vehicle can be taken over by outside forces
It's not 220/110. It's 240/120 volts. We all need to get with the proper technology and stop with the big lie.
In North America, the terms 220V, 230V, and 240V all refer to the same system voltage level. However, in the 1950’s most of the 110v has been switched over to 120v. Sometimes I get caught saying 110 by mistake but honestly they are the “same.” And I hang around a lot of old school electricians so a lot of them say 110 so maybe I picked up on it. In the end it’s really no big deal and surprised I wasted this amount of time writing this
@@JarrodTocci 🤣🤣🤣
I would never get an electric vehicle. No thanks!!
Your testing the tow capeabilities of a Rvian with a 2,000 pound trailer. You video is a total fail.
Electric cars are so shit to travel with. They are city and city ONLY cars. Prove me other wise🤣🤣🤣 I’ll stick to my gas car