Whole Child Approach Has Failed The US School & Education System
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- America's Education System is in pretty bad shape. With deeply flawed philosophy surrounding early child education, mismanaged curriculum for kindergarten through high school, and missing the point of what school is supposed to be; the American Education System is filled with many, seemingly unfixable, problems. Today, Classical Et Cetera explores why.
Join Shane, Paul, and Martin as they discuss a divisive problem, Whole Child Approach, in the US Education System today. How do we take what seems broken and make it right again? We're glad you asked, welcome to the show.
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- Books We're Reading -
The Need to Be Whole: Patriotism and the History of Prejudice by Wendell Berry
Jayber Crow by Wendell Berry
Metamorphosis by Franz Kafke
The $30,000 Bequest and Other Stories by Mark Twain
There is so much denial about what is happening in classrooms. Yesterday I had someone tell me I was pretentious because I called out how some schools are continuing to use Reading Recovery strategies as opposed to true phonics instruction. When I was in teacher training in the 00s there were certain buzzwords we were taught to speak to in job interviews. “Whole child” was a chief concept among them. We were graded on how fun our lessons were. We had no structured curriculum. It was a game to see who could invent the most life-changing lesson every single day of the week. It was exhausting and, probably, minimally effective. There is a generation of teachers who were taught to cater to the concept of a “fun” and “hands-on” classroom. This needs to be talked about more because so many people just don’t understand how that has impacted everything.
I absolutely agree. The "fun" and "hands on" push has come back to bite them, in the form of near illiteracy. In the same way, any kid who "can't concentrate" is labeled "ADD", thus giving Big Pharma a treasure trove of wealth as it is determined that millions of fidgety kids must be kept on meds for the rest of their lives. How about we try some discipline and concentration as an actual SKILL? The entire thing makes me sick.
@@211FairyTale One year something like 20% of my class had an ADD/ADHD diagnosis. Hard to believe, right?
@@kb8990 Exactly! When something like that is happening, you have to look to the source -- follow the money trail. Who benefits from all these ADD/ADHD diagnoses? The answer is Big Pharma. Ditto with the transgender movements. 20% of a class are NOT transgender! Yet that is what they are trying to tell us.
Just left the public school classroom. Nothing has changed.
Whole Child Education has simply been a way to usher in the modern Social Emotional Learning (SEL) which has set our kids up to be gold mines of data generators for for-profit companies with a goal of teaching children to identify with a group and to act in a way that serves the group without teaching actual personal virtues.
Well said! And, I would add to your last point, more often than not training them to serve the conceptual group to the detriment of the individual themselves, their family and their community.
Interesting point. I’ll have to think on that.
The oddest part of all this (for me) is that the identification with the (usually marginalized) group is happening within our assumed cultural favorite: individual rights! The kids are taught that external sources of identity (religious, patriotic) are oppressive and that internal identity is the truest voice…yet they also have to serve all oppressed groups…but not their own family…it’s enough to make your head spin.
These men need to actually teach in a PUBLIC SCHOOL classroom for a year before they can pontificate on these issues.
What would you say they are missing? (I am assuming you have taught in a public school)
I really appreciate these podcasts that you are producing! I'm starting to feel like I know you guys.
This is a really helpful episode, worthy of a second viewing. I am from another country, yet the "whole child" approach has been in vogue here as well. It's been combined with teaching children to use ipads instead of handwriting (it's apparantly dead... ten years later, some small amount of handwriting is back in the curriculum. Pity the students who missed out) and having multi - ages taught in the same classroom. Government schools in my region often combine grades 1-3 and 4-6 deliberately, then teach them in large halls with 60-90 kids, led by specialist teachers for each subject. This is considered innovative, even though older teachers tell me it was done in the 1970's and deemed a failure. "Whole child" for us usually means whole word learning and a crowded curriculum, minimal skills practice and minimal acknowledgement of the plight of children who fall behind (the lack of skills practice...) Combined with pandemic school closures for two years, and the situation is pretty dire... all hidden just under the surface.
So true that chasing trends the way many public schools are currently doing is detrimental to students' brains (teachers' too). Round Robin cutesy gimmicks and 1,2,3 now call on me are sickening to teachers who know better. Current day pilots, doctors, concert violinists, judges, architects, etc. achieved well in good old fashioned classrooms where teachers were not forced to chase cutesy trends that are supposedly good because they are new. I am so glad that pilot school and medical school do NOT follow that stuff...
I think you handled this so well. I've created my own personal mantras to help me recognize my own faulty leanings and find balance. I basically break it down to what brings us joy and lifts our thinking to heaven and what HAS to happen to do that. We cannot be good Christians if we are not good citizens. We cannot be good citizens if we have no knowledge. And knowledge is unattainable without education. Balance.
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From a parent's point of view I have several issues with the way they are teaching my kids but not many options for change available. We do have both parents working full-time out of necessity. I do have child care arrangements in place. I often help my children with their home work. Virtual school saw me working a full day and then spending another 4-5 hours helping with the day's school work. They are using a lot of computer programs to teach the children phonics and math facts. The common core math does not seem to be working as it is confusing not only to the child but the parents helping out at home. The teachers do make a big push for kids to type rather than write. I do wonder how much actual time they are teaching lessons versus the amount of computer game taught content being utilized in class. The virtual school has not helped at all either especially with kids in kindergarten over the last few years. There also in my opinion is a push to have children diagnosed as ADD or ADHD then to be medicated. From my perspective they do want automatons that will test well.
Ok at it and it is confusing no wonder kids are fail at math and reading .
I will offer you this unpopular opinion: The common core math program at our school (--they use GoMath!) was confusing to me at first. I mean, it was 1st grade, and I already did not know what was going on. :) But I learned it, and I helped my girls where necessary, and I came to appreciate it very much. My ten year old understands what is actually happening when we carry and borrow ones, why it works when you generate equivalent fractions, and even what the latter are, wrt area/number & size of pieces). She understands why multiplying fractions straight across works, and what it means to multiply a quantity by less than one. In my own life, all of that was just black magic, and there was a point (somewhere around calculus) at which I couldn't take the blank memorization of it anymore. Our school is a mix of professional and lower middle working class families in a rural area. (Most kids are parented.) I feel that their math program has given them an education that only the elites used to get. Having had a lower class math education myself, I did not initially recognize it for what it was, and I was tempted to resent it. Being a SAHM, I had the luxory of giving it a fair chance. I offer this experience to you, for what it's worth.
Descartes: persons as machines and brains
Person as disembodied brain
Body and soul
Intellect is the power of the soul
Academics + Character (Wisdom and Virtue)
Automaton - Craftsman - Wise Man
Empirical research on humans with free will
First principles - what human nature is
STEM - limiting particular utilitarian education
Narrow technical skills
Everybody is a philosopher + citizen
Thinking philosophical beings
Ignorant citizens + good government
I find the change in pronunciation of city names a complete annoyance. If a city adopts the same name as a more famous city, then the previous pronunciation would make the most sense.
I'm curious why you describe the whole child approach as a trend; I was under the impression that it is standard practice by this point.
I would say it is problematic to call many educational impulses "standard practices." Many of them, and I would count this one, are what I would call "recurrent trends." They become one of the popular slogans and buzzwords every time there is a national school reform movement, which happens about every twenty-five years. "Hands-on learning", "twenty-first century education", "inquiry-based learning", "whole language" reading, "cooperative learning", and the most famous: "child-centered learning". These get redeployed in every reform effort.
The expression "whole child" goes back, in one form at least, to Calvin Woodward in the late 19th century, who popularized the expression "the whole boy."
Education: the only profession in which the experiments are done on the clients.
Poor Shane, his question was fine!🤣
Do you guys have some kind of financial or other interest in this wendel berry guy? Your constantly hawking his books.
Thank you for your comment. No, we are not financially tied to Mr. Berry. We are just big fans of his work!
@@memoriapress Ah I had never heard of him before is why I asked. And I was skimming through some of your videos and like 3 in a row you had mentioned him lol.
No financial interest necessary. Berry’s work is amazing!
yall, no. "Kafakaesque" has been used since he was publishing books, yo.
It seems to me that Classical education is similar to English Boarding Schools and Catholic Schools as opposed to Public Schools
School as a daycare
I couldn’t love this more!! Confirmation! Confirmation! Confirmation!! ❤️
I would love to hear what you all think of the book "The Knowledge Gap".
Impossible to focus. Too many commercials.
Yea I just unsubbed cause of that it's literally every 5 minutes
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How can an English teacher not know what Kafkaesque means?