Why I don't HATE Chi-Chi anymore
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There are some fan comics that depict chichi in a great way and i wish we could see more of that. Instead of being forever angry at Goku maybe we see shes excepted that goku is a simple guy and willing to support him while still keeping him in check. Her being proud of her husband more than permenantly embarassed by him and willing to correct his social nativity instead of just screaming at him
Do you have the link to some of these comics?
Agreed, I’d love to see them too
I thought you meant some OTHER comics, until i read all the way through.
That's kinda how she is nowadays
So basically Chi Chi is the one who has to compromise...more than she already has in order to be more likeable? Why can't Goku put more effort into being a family man? Worry less about training and more about instilling values that aren't related to fighting, learning who his children and grandchild are as individuals. I much rather that than the continued narrative that Chi Chi is the problem.
Raditz' attack definitely changed something in Chi Chi. Before that she was martial arts as a nice sport and would have been okay with Gohan pursuing that.
But after losing Goku and almost losing her toddler, it makes sense that Chi Chi would want to keep her son as far away from that lifestyle as possible.
Does that excuse her ignoring Goku's agency as a fighter, or the fate of the planet some of the time? The problem isn't that Chi Chi has had a hard life. The problem is she's trying to brow beat her own ideas onto them, regardless of reality.
Trauma is not an excuse to control others or spread more pain. And she tries to do both. Hell. During the androids/Cell arch, she is told terrible things are coming that will murder countless people unless Goku or Gohan can stop them and she just doesn't care. She wants a nuclear family so bad, she wants to ignore the world burning around her. That can't be ignored just by saying "She's had it rough." Especially when you consider that she's had probably the best life of all the other characters in that show. There really is no excuse for it.
She's just a badly written, selfish character. I don't know what brought up this video idea that she's somehow more likable than she was just because time's past, but it's not true at all.
@@Nickle_King It's a little more complicated than that. Like objectively yeah, she's a character written in the 90's by a guy who doesn't know how to write women that don't fit into certain archetypes. But there are certain things that make more sense when you look at them from Chi Chi's perspective, even if she becomes more unreasonable over time.
This doesn't explain why she is okay with teaching Goten martial arts while forcing Gohan to attend school. Goten is old enough to start schooling when we're first introduced to him, and she isn't even trying that with him.
@@DreadlordZoliasgoten actually wants to fight Gohan told her he wants to be a scholar Goku was forcing fighting on his kid
@@dennisbeaman958Goku only forced one fight on Gohan and that was the fight with Perfect Cell. Piccolo forced Gohan to fight.
The problem Chi-Chi faces is that she’s the most normal person in our group of notable characters. Everyone else is either super strong, or super smart, or a talking animal. Chi-Chi though? She’s simply a mother that wants what’s best for her children. As a kid, I always hated how she didn’t want Gohan to fight, since it would spell doom for the whole world. Today, I get it now. No sane mother would willingly send their 4-11 year old to a war, even if they’re good at shooting things. I chalk it up as one of those things you appreciate more as an adult than as a kid.
I don't know, I'd actually say Krillin is the most normal - ignoring his powers for a moment, he was the one who always felt the most like an audience surrogate and just a 'guy', you know? It's why the Buu saga doesn't work as well, because his role is so severely reduced when he's the emotional backbone of the story.
@@louthegiantcookieyeah the whole Buu Arc was a bit of a mess lol even tho I still love it for it's memorable moments. But part of Krillin's charm was being on the frontlines against enemies that far outclass him, even if it's to buy some time for his more powerful friends
Her dad is a giant that can wreck a tank and she cut off the head of a T-Rex with a helmet blade and blew up the body with Lazer Beam. Totally a normal girl.
@@albireotheredguard1599 Point still stands that no mother would want their 4-11 year old to go to war. And the fact that Goku not only is constantly undermining her but doesn't even kiss her, it's no wonder she's so grumpy. Yet she still loves and puts up with Goku's rediculous behavior.
She's a marital arts princess
I never hated Chi Chi, I just found her super annoying and naggy. Plus I felt she kept trying to force her family to be "normal"
that's why i hate her
i mean, if i was in a family of super natural abilities, i would be ashamed of myself if i was driving a car while i could fly screw what people think or get scared
@@Suleiman2000Exactly my perspective. She has this utter refusal to adapt to her family, and even hates the Super Saiyan thing. I don't care that the Japanese find dying their hair blonde as a rebellious act. IT'S NATURAL!!
Yeah I got caught up with the crowd
Getting pissy about her decision
You be suprise how many want the stability of normal. Even if they are super human.
@SoraDonaldGoofy99 of course, and imagine if Goku listened to her and stopped training, can you imagine how many planets would go on to be enslaved by Frieza that is considering the fact he didn't blow up those planets
she just want to force them to live a normal life while Goku can breeze through all tournaments and get some money for her, but nooooo
and how is Gohan providing for his wife and daughter? he doesn't it was his father in law who does it
Goten became a huge disappointment chasing after girls. Instead of finding a job, he's not even into being a saiyan
and how did things go for Trunks nothing he's just simping for a woman who's 40+ years older than him. Can you blame Goku for spending 5 years with Uup instead of them?
can you blame Vegeta for not being proud?
can you blame Pan if she just became a spoiled brat instead of being a capable person
People have to remember that a lot of Chichi's worst moments were anime filler. The only times in full canon that Chichi was insufferable were when either Goku had screwed something up (which she got over) or Gohan was going to be put into serious danger.
Hercule was an annoying character to me until the Buu arc. Befriending Buu and teaching him about right and wrong was wholesome and made me like the character. It retroactively made his earlier appearances better to me. That rare moment of bravery where he helps 16 get to Gohan was a hint of the kind of man he really is at his core.
Also I think TFS really nailed Hercule's character.
I think Hercule or Mr. Satan was made on purpose to be annoying during the Cell saga by Akira Toriyama. He is the comic relief character during the serious toned Cell games.
Chi-Chi is a traditional Japanese mother of whom I wouldn’t be surprised was based on Toriyama’s own mother, lol.
or his wife.....😂😂😂
She’s also based of the country side she doesn’t actually know what’s best for her family in society standards cause she’s lived in isolation but she’s trying her best
Chi Chi was a never a problem. She just didn't want her LITERAL toddler fighting grown space men
The ONLY time I didn't like her was when she couldn't understand the need to fight Cell. The world was LITERALLY on the cusp of armageddon, and she was more concerned with Gohan studying? What was that about? Really weird writing, which turned her from merely nagging to outright idiotic.
Same with the Saiyan and namek
Agree
Is it that bad? The way I remember it, EVERYONE thought Goku was insane for pinning the responsibility of defeating Cell on Gohan. NOBODY but Goku thought he could do it, except maybe Gohan himself. Goku was keeping his cards very close to his chest and not letting anybody in on his plan until it was too late. And this was after several years of Chi-Chi allowing Gohan to train with Goku for the arrival of the Androids, with the understanding that it would be GOKU saving the day like he always did.
How are fans able to praise the scene where Piccolo chews Goku out for sending Gohan out there, but ALSO hate Chi-Chi for not wanting Gohan to fight in the first place? It seems totally unfair to Chi-Chi.
@@ChibiTails I'm not talking about Goku choosing Gohan to fight Cell - I'm talking about him taking Gohan in the first place. Goku giving up mid-fight and throwing his kid to the wolves? Oh, I totally get why Chi Chi would be pissed. But just taking him - a powerful fighter - along when the literal WORLD is in danger? That's different, and it makes her character look bad for not seeing that the entire earth could be destroyed if Cell won.
@@louthegiantcookie exactly Goku was an ass for throwing Gohan in Cells path, but when the worlds in danger studying can wait as they need all the fighting members off the Dragon Team on board, hell Tien and Yamcha appeared and they pale compared to base Gohan.
ChiChi is right Gohan needs a stable life that's not hitting things but when the worlds in danger get out the gym gear and train.
I never really hate chichi the only thing i wish or at least hope for in the future for her character that she just learn to accept her family for who they are and mellow out. We see that at the end of Z and even in GT that while she still have a temper she's way more mellow and accepting to Goku's leaving for training especially at the end of GT where she knows Goku will come back home eventually.
i love your choice of words "to accept her family for who they are".
the problem you missed is gohan doesnt like to fight, goku didnt understand that, and kept dragging gohan into all his fights, it took piccolo to slap some sense into goku for him to finally realise gohan doesnt like to fight!
chi chi wasnt in the wrong she was looking out for gohan, goku if anything was in the wrong, and when goten came along and goten liked fighting, chi chi helped goten learn to fight!
so you can see she always looked out for her sons best interests and tried her hardest to give gohan every chance he needed to pursue his studies so he could achieve what he wanted in life instead of letting goku drag gohan into a brutal world that gohan didnt really enjoy.
gohan loved spending time with dad, but he didnt want to become his dad.
As a kid some kids care less about Chichi but now. I wish we got more of her.
Buu Saga Chichi I did enjoy her understanding the situation and her kids are gonna fight and she’s the one who trained Goten…
But Super had her reverted back to her “study now study later” routine.
I wished Akira Toriyama didn’t give up on her . Oh well
Well, he did give up on Yamcha. The warning signs were right there.
one of the best ways i saw her character is by understanding gohan.
Gohan didnt enjoy fighting and clearly had different aspirations in life, he wasnt like Goku, yet Goku kept dragging Gohan into his world while Chichi wanted to keep Gohan OUT of the death matches, simply put she was looking out for Gohans interests where as Goku didnt understand Gohan until the fight with Cell.
This is also consistent with Goten... Goten enjoyed fighting, so ChiChi was alright with training him, ChiChi never got in the way of her boys chasing their dreams, she only got in the way when goku kept dragging gohan into fights.
I understand Chi-Chi as a character in Z, but I wish she was written differently given all she does is nag and complain. I know she doesn’t want Gohan to fight but she really needs to learn when to set her wish aside given what’s happening currently. DragonBall Chi-Chi is fantastic and I kind of wish we had something like that in Z. There’s a reason why I like fan interpretations of Chi-Chi as well as the What if story of if she became a Z-Warrior.
She had so much personality in the early story.
You understand her hiring a tutor to literally whip gohan every second so he studies?
@@AtelierGod Wasnt that filler tho
@@NHDame489 he’s talking about Z which is the anime not the manga, so he would’ve had to understand her while watching that whether it was canon or not.
Tbh that was the anime.
Anime in general tend to exaggerated a characters traits for gags.
Mix that with the fact that the dub makes her seem like “the smart one” to goku’s antics and most fan never even seeing dB and the nuance got lost.
She’s WAY nicer in the manga, it’s not just a her thing tho. It happened to krillin, roshi, Yamaha and even goku and vegeta
Way before it even hit the west toriyama had issue with how toei made goku too heroic and missed out on the “poison” of his character and watered down his nuances.
And outside of DB it’s hit characters like Sakura and mikasa from naruto and aot the worst.
You go from a character who scary when they’re angry sometimes and fast forward a few years and the anime makes it your entire character
It’s called flanderizing
*Future ChiChi in Trunks timeline still got the worst life ever.* Her end is so sad dude, and she was so mellow out (according to the DBZ Kakarot game) by the end of her life. Still feel sorry for that version.
At least ChiChi in the bad future isn't canon anymore.
Her biggest issue is that she’s trying to live a “normal” life. When that’s kind of impossible when your family is made up of mostly Saiyans, and on top of that her husband has ALOT of enemies (Frieza and RR as of recently). So yeah, there will always be a threat to earth, and whether she likes it or not, besides who cares if they live in the woods and don’t have jobs, while she cooks and sews, Goku and Goten hunt and fish. They have the bare necessities all covered.
I mean, look at the beginning of DBZ though. Her husband is the strongest guy on Earth. She didn't know anything about space. We all want to live our lives our own way and not have to deal with weird interruptions or your life threated a bunch.
@@CountDVBif we go by statements of power levels at this point in the story the Ox king was still twice the power of Goku and Piccolo in their fight against Raditz with his power level being 900 or something around that mark.
@@CountDVB by the start of dbz goku didnt train that much
@@CountDVB She doesn’t have to know anything about space tho. Did you even watch OG Dragonball? The world of Dragonball was crazy enough before DBZ. Demons, talking animals, the Red Ribbon Army, Androids (yes Androids were around since OG Dragonball), Kami, Korin, Goku has a tail, etc. Also, Goku being the strongest in the world doesn’t change that Piccolo is still out there. Sure, Goku beat him once, but Chi Chi has no reason to think “Goku will just beat him again” after how much trouble Piccolo was in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. I honestly don’t know what Chi Chi was expecting when she married Goku. Hell, the conditions of their marriage aren’t even normal (he made some random promise at 12 and he didn’t even know what marriage was. Not to mention the first time he met, he tapped her crotch with his foot to figure out her gender. Did she honestly expect normalcy from this guy?)
Yeah we all want this and that, but does that really excuse lying to ourselves? It’s like Chi Chi just chose to shut out all the wackiness of Goku and his adventures and said “Yeah this guy totally will be a normal husband and get a normal job” despite the numerous red flags pointing in the exact opposite direction. Though, to be fair, this is Toriyama’s fault. When you find out he only had Goku and Chi Chi get married because he didn’t like her and wanted to “punish” himself by drawing her more, it really puts the lack of logic behind the marriage into perspective. He pretty much just threw Goku and Chi Chi together on a whim and ran with it, thus making Chi Chi look like an idiot (like I said, Toriyama’s fault, not hers).
@@AtelierGod Pure Daizenshuu Crap, I'm late but tired to see that number associated to Ox. If he WAS this strong... Why does Radditz didn't detect that power? He detected Piccolo, then Goku. But if Ox was, like, 900, he wouldn't have even detected Piccolo' Power first.
To be honest. I really respected Chi Chi. Yes she can be a bit rough in her methods but she really loved her family for the most part of her marriage she had to take care of the family whenever Goku was off the picture. Especially more so when Goten was born. Its not easy handling such drastic changes so occurring. Plus she simply wants her kids to understand the value of responsibility . she could have spoiled gohan and goten rotton with her dads money but she didn't rather she didn't let them be idle rich. To gets jobs and understand the value of education. In truth she is a really good wife and mother for dealing with this stuff
I never hated Chi Chi. She's just being a good wife, mother, and grandmother. You know...responsible and caring! Always thinking of her family and what's best for them. It's not always easy for her, especially when her family are Saiyans with big appetites. Everyone's patience has their limits, but Chi Chi never abandons them when things get hard. She's a warrior princess, girl boss who will continue to fight for them and keep them in check because that's what you do when you love your family. That's what a loving wife and mother does. They can be some the strongest women you'll ever meet.
Honestly it’s mainly the Dialogue that made me despise the character. I understand that she wants her kids to have a peaceful life, and had to deal with Goku. But it’s hard for me to understand some of the dialogue with her priorities. Also it’s confusing to me how people say she handled her husband’s deaths well when we barely if at all saw here cooping with it.
Probably had a lot to do with the dub making chi chi come off as the smart one to goku’s antics
The whole point of her character is that she’s also a person who grew up a sheltered life like goku and has a very naive relationship towards the outside world while being scarily persistent dedicated in the things that she wants.
She’s an equal extreme to goku’s and it’s why they get each other.
She grew to be a traditionally conservative (not politically) mom because it’s a mix of her wanting to give her kid a better life but also because a traditional nuclear family structure is literally all that she thinks is possible.
It both keeps her anchored while also just in general helps in keeping up appearances and not wanting to just be seen as country hicks despite not quite knowing how to do so.
The pressures to appear as perfect is far more common and eastern places like japan and you can even see this concept manifest in modern stories like Spy X Family.
You can see this pretty quickly when she accused videl of beating gohan in a tournament as some excuse for a date and videl was horrified to learn chichi was giddy over the idea that that’s how she met her husband and what she considers romance (still maintained in the dub surprisingly) but without the context of who she’s normally supposed to be like, it comes off more manic than it supposed.
Her and goku are supposed to be equally weird people in a world they grew up outside of.
@@theradionicrevival8068I agree. And God I wish there were more instances of Goku and Chi-Chi being weird together and actually enjoying being around each other. I think the only time we ever got that consistently was the filler arc at the end of original Dragon Ball. Which is sad because my favorite character dynamic is two people being stupid together
I've always got Chi-Chi. It was Gohan's dream to be a scholar, and she was doing her best to help him accomplish his goal.
Also, the times of peace in Dragon Ball are longer stretches than the battles. The training is usually years, or months, but the battles are usually 1 to 2 days.
The longest stretch was the trip to Namek, the battle and the trip back.
So living a normal life is what they typically do in Dragon Ball. So Chi-chi bringing Gohan down to Earth, so he has a solid future, makes sense.
That's a good point.
Ummm Gohan didn't want to be a scholar until after Namek. He was very much in the mindset of I have power and need to be a protector after piccolo. That dream was very much forced onto him that he grew into between cell and buu
@@snintendogthat’s not true, he claims to want to be a scholar all the way from the start of Z
@@altonlee7759 as a babbling toddler?
He could speak very well actually, obviously he wasn’t writing any speeches but he knew enough to say that much
Easy one. Our boy Raditz. Used to think he sucked when i was younger. Thanks to you I love him now.
True ChiChi is a relatable character she only fought Goku to get him to remember the promise he made to her,but she just annoyed me in DBZ because it was mostly about the fights in Cell and Majin Buu because well the world was in endanger but I blame toriyama because he doesn't know how to write a housewife,it kinda pissed me off because i watch the final arc of Dragon Ball Saga and i loved her as Mystery Martial artist
One things I wish Chichi had been able to do more was to fight. I know Chichi is not really a fighter and Raditz scared any love she had for fighting, but be nice to see her as a martial artist. Maybe even have the Beast form come from her if their was a remake.
As a kid I projected myself onto Gohan, as I think most kids did. But I always understood Chi-chi. If I were Gohan, my mom would worry about me too, and make sure I didn't neglect my studies. She's strict but you've gotta be when your husband and son are literal super humans lol
No you don't have to extremely strict. Gohan deserves a better mom.
@@Perroden Chichi is literally the best parental figure Gohan has and it isn't even close lol.
@@xxProjectJxx I would gladly choose goku as a parent then I'd even choose cho chi. I get bitched at enough by women for absolutely no reason.
@@Perrodenso you're saying your problem is misogyny and not necessarily her behavior. 👍 or else you'd also understand why she acts the way she does, but i also don't know how old you are so for all i know you could be a kid and it just needs a few years to hit. or just. still young in general in regards to that. give it a while and then come back to it
@@callie-flower3177 no I'm saying I don't want toxic ppl in my life any more. I'm sick of it.
Now plz show me where I labeled all women as bad...
Love how ppl are so quick to demonization over a simple comment. No such thing as rational adult conversations anymore
And there is no rational reasoning to her behavior. She married goku for who he is in db. but in dbz it's like she hates goku for what he is and is very strict with gohan.
When I got older and started using all the seasons to dbz I tried so fkn hard to like chi chi. But I just couldn't. Loved her in db tho.
Let’s be real here, the core issue with Chichi is just that she’s written as a stereotype of Japanese mothers.
Also, I think a lot of the hate she gets has to do with filler scenes they added in the anime. In the manga she’s for the most part either less present or far more mild in her personality.
i see this coment multiple times, but isnt she suposed to be a chinese mother ? most of the characters in dragonball are based on chinese folklore, they practice kungfu and use chinese clothes, and in media chinese mothers are depicted way more strict than japanese mothers
@@devforfun5618 she is but, most people in the west who take issue with her character feel that way because she’s a stereotype
Most of that is surface level and lot of chi chi's mannerisms are rooted in japanese housewife sterotypes.
Chi-Chi has the emotional disposition that makes Gohan the Gohan we know and love. She is extremely implosive because she is actually very nice too nice she doesn't process emotions and in eventuality she goes OFF she goes 180 Goku is afraid of her when she hits her breaking point. That is where Gohan gets his berserkermode
I noticed a lot hate for her has settled down a bit along with Sakura from Naruto (debatable). I guess it's because a lot of us were kids and now that we're older, we can see and understand her better in a whole new light. Also, compared to the manga, the anime & old films exaggerated her character most of the time.
As a side note and judge me how you may; I don't find her as attractive as Bulma, but she's pretty beautiful in her own right.
Sakura in Part 2 should've been a lot better. She was Chuunin level after the time skip but apart from imitating the fighting style of Tsunade she didn't have much to offer. She found a cure for a poison in a village full of poison ninja experts yeah that sounds fair, and in order to beat Sasori, she had to be tagged teamed by a granny. By the time Team Yamato to the FNW rolled by she did improve, esp to the point when she saved Naruto's neat death experience makes sense, but the years to get there was a slog at worst. I blame Kishi on this. After all Naruto should've been at his Last counterpart after 2 years of training with Jiryaya. Still needing clones to make a rasengan still pissed my teen self off lol
No. We just stopped caring about stupid things.
@@falconeshieldshe was irreverent by part two. The entire series was head focused on Naruto and Sasuke and their roles in the story. She was basically thrown a bone here and there like everyone else as a “oh look what I can do after training this long!” Every shonen does it.
I knew that Chi-Chi was concerned and worried when Gohan wanted to go to Namek. That's why she tried to stop him.
Chi chi is that one strict asain mother
But to be fair she is a responsible mother who wants her kids to have a better future in chi chi's case goku never had a job until he became a farmer cause they need money to live to pay taxes
And she acts like how real life mother such as not letting gohan go to danger cause she is a caring mother
But she can be annoying at times
Not to mention Goku eats at least 3 million zeni worth a day not including snacks and his children have the same appetite
The great Saitama is something that grew on me when the Buu saga came out I was still in the age group that ss2 Gohan was peak coolness so I hated how goofy and "uncool" he acted when he was great saiyaman. As I got older I began to appreciate the idea of Gohan living out his comic book hero fantasy.
I never really hated chichi. She could be over the top sometimes sure. But all she wanted for her family is good wealth health and general in life. Even when people say she too protective over gohan back in day, TOO BE FAIR REGARDLESS IF MY SON WAS A SAYIAN OR NOT SEEING HIM IN DEATH BATTLES IS SOMETHING I CAN'T REALLY SUPPORT LOL.
I honestly think it was the dub voice actor that made us not like her. We didn't realize she was suppose to be a princess hillbillie who wants her kids to be fancy even if she secretly wants then to be a warrior
The Ocean Group voice actress had care in her voice. The Funimation Chi-Chi was really harsh.
Imagine if they did accent-accurate voice work tho, Chi-Chi and Goku and Yajirobe would sound very hillbilly lol
A perfect companion to your previous video about her! You really appreciate her more as you get older😊😊😊😊😊😊
Never hated nor had any dislike for Chichi, I only hate what they chose to do with her along with the writing choices around her.
*Times like these I wished Goku married that red head girl Suno.*
I never hated ChiChi either. I always understood why she treated Gohan the way she did. Her husband always under threat and not wanting to see her son go through the same life, but also, the body eventually will become frail or it can be permanently broken, but the mind is something that can not be easily taken away.
i don't hate chichi, the thing i disliked with her is the fact that she was overbearing, i get wanting to protect her sons from fighting dangerous foe like cell, what i don't get is the amount of studying, of lessons and her never wanting her husband to do what he does best, i mean if she had Goku go to multiple tournaments with cash prize on the side, he would have won almost every time (baring krillin or tien getting a lucky ring out if they participated). thus letting him actually provide more than with just farming for his familly. also let's be honest people says that becoming a schollar was gohan dreams, but, when you don't know anything but studying for more than 3/4 of your early childhood you don't actually have your own dream it has been imposed on him even if he does not realise it. same if it had been in reverse and he would have trained with his father for the same amount, fighting would not have been his dream but his father. that is why goten is actually a balanced teen, he has his parents blessing to do what he wants and they don't force him to do one or the other with the exception of what he need for school. chichi got better with time but outside of her not wanting her sons to fight galactic threat, she really neded to let her son be his own person, maybe gohan would have actually been balanced earlier in his life ( and a better character than he had been).
I just wish Chichi had kept practicing martial arts, like keep her been overprotective nature with Gohan, but make her understand and interact more with the world than the series does, like make her understand Goku's entusiasm, hell make her share it to a certain level, she doesn't have to be an active z fighter but she should at least be around Krillin and Tien's levels.
Chi Chi is a good example of DB’s writers not knowing what to do with female characters. Her, Launch, Bulma, and many others are just there for gags.
I think because we've grown up with these characters... reaching adulthood, we tend to forgive behaviors and become jaded. Chi-Chi has to suffer through her husband being negligent and also... dying more than once... I can get on Chi-Chi's side bc no matter what, she's always been there for her family. Not to be misconstrued with a pass for spouses' behavior, but this B has been through a lot. She deserves to be angry, but I still also hate her yelling all the time...
On the s-cell things it never really bothered me that much cause if you think of it Saiyans being a warrior race would somehow evolving something like a passive ability to pass on portions of their power to their kids does make sense to me when compared to the other stuff in dragon ball
you've got the right idea. in a world with literal hocus-pocus magic, i don't know why anyone gets so hung up on those things.
0:54 could never hate you guys! You have provided us with so many great content! and rocking the new hairdo masako!
I never hated her… I always kinda understood vaguely where she was coming from but I always politely agreed to disagree with some of her takes other than with Gohan becoming a scholar which was his genuine wish and not just hers
Chi-Chi possessed insane stamina to give Goku a ride all night long for 1 week and it taught him endurance.
Aside from chi-chi i also re-evaluated my opinion on og broly, while my opinion of him soured for a time, i came around and truly appreciated the sheer force of nature he was on his first movie, his best appareance. While the new one is leagues better the og one really is a classic DB movie villain! Masako, would you like to See og broly return in some way?
Hey Masako, it's Travis Bailey. The guy who asked you about her, leading you to make that other Chi-Chi vid (and the weakest characters one). Glad to see after all these years later that you are defending her.
I think from how old are you when you start watching dragon Ball in general as as a kid/ teen you're probably only there to see the fighting and why doesn't care about the extra matter cash or the peacetime stories a little but maybe as an older teenager, adult and onwards you will start have greater understanding of the characters and desires like chi chi as a mother who may sometimes go a little bit overboard but all is a perfect life for son like most parents do.
I always struggled with Chichi because her character refuses to adapt in anyway. For example there is no reason for her to not know how to fly. And her entire gimmick is decades outdated. She is not in the same tier of antiquated as Roshi but she is pretty close.
I only like G Black when I headcanon him as Goten lol.
Always liked ChI-Chi. Just felt Toriyama just couldn’t write women well as he admitted
this.
Nah, I hate Chichi less than I did as a kid, and as an adult I understand her plight...and still hate her because of her attitude and entitlement about matters other than trying to stop Gohan from fighting.
Her intentions are fine for the most part, but she thinks that she can insult and bully everyone else just because they don't want to blast back at her, and admonishes Goku for being Goku when she's the one that pushed to marry him in the first place and then expects him to change outright instead of accepting who he is and then working WITH him for improvement. And the filler episodes didn't help with me appreciating her attitude either.
And that with the issue of her relative normalcy being faced with the increasingly supernatural, and her doubling down on her attitude just gets worse.
I don't think she's always wrong but she is still ignorant and annoying and thus never fun to watch.
And yes, I get the whole "badly written woman" thing. But what was written is still her "character" and I hate that "character". I hated Bulma on Namek for similar reasons, but she had way more other positive moments outside of that.
I think my most negative moment with her in DBZA is the moment where she intimidates Vegeta with the "Do not make me come over there, I will rip your world A-F*cking sunder!". The first time I saw that, my first thought was an indignant "Oh please, and you'll do ~what~ to Vegeta of all people? Wait...Why the hell is he backing down?!"
That last part about dbza, I’ve don't liked that trope combined characters that intentionally antagonize other characters. Speaking of the DBZA, I think Bulma is done a lot better in dbza because sure, she can sometimes be antagonistic towards the group, but she's also incredibly smart, helps the group a lot, and has lots of good character moments, where as Chi Chi is just antagonizing the group all the time. The difference between Bulma and Chichi antagonizing Vegeta is that Bulma is a character that we know to love and respect and Vegeta, despite having good character moments, has a REALLY BIG EGO and we want to see Vegeta be put in his place, so went Bulma and Vegeta argue and even seeing vegeta get some mental blows to his pride by some who isn't stronger than him is great to see, however, unlike Bulma, Chichi is just as, if not more, antagonistic towards everyone then Vegeta, plus Vegeta has great character moments and jokes throughout the series, unlike Chi Chi, so even though we don't like vegeta’s massive ego, we still love him and also what to see Chi Chi to be put in her place, but it doesn’t happen because he’s scared for some reason, so you can understand why something like that feels off, The reason why it works so with Bulma is because she's good at effectively pushing the Goku button without going too far and vegeta respects Bulma. Meanwhile, Vegeta has no respect for Chichi, but still for some reason, gets intimidated by her. She's not even as strong as him. I've never liked “the antagonistic ‘Good guy’ that never gets punished for their actions because for some reason everyone is scared of me.”
it's just a cartoon, friend.
@@charleswisconsin9196 Yes, that doesn't mean I can't dislike any characters
I'm gonna say it... Transformations/Forms bore me to death now, not just Goku and Vegeta getting a new form but villains too.
It was cool with Frieza, creative and different enough with Cell, I was getting bored by Buu and I'm crying my eyes out by the time Merged Zamasu rolled around.
At least Cell Max had the decency to just be a big Semi Perfect Cell and didn't morph into a perfect form midway through the fight.
Love these introspective videos masako! Thanks 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤
I took issues with the Krillin vs SS Blue Goku fight. But after re-watching it I realized it was never about Krillin over-powering Goku but how he strategizes. With a few exceptions Krillin has never been able overpower his opponents, he’s relied on strategies to overcome them and sometimes they work.
I'm glad you understand the Krillen Example.. I tried to explain to people that goku was testing Krillen resolve but People are So Arrogant and Stubborn that are Right..Glad You Saw the light
Chichi has always been a W mom and wife. Never understood why so many dislike her.
I feel that Chichi needs more love in the series. With her sons grown up, I'd love to see her getting back into training with her husband.
Chi-chi would be more entertaining If She was like her classic version, She would be sweet almost all the time but when something bad happens She would get angry.
I can imagine something like this:
Goku: "Hey Chi-chi I'm going to train to stop Cell"
Chi-chi: "Alright be carefull"
Goku: "And I need to being Gohan with me. I hope there isn't a problem."
Chi-chi: "Of course not, go and have some fun."
Goku: "Really?"
Chi-chi: "OF COURSE NOT ARE YOU INSANE GOKU?!?! You wnat to take out Son to train to some place so he Can fight a Monster that Can Kills him?!?! Do you think that is ok?!?!"
It could be funny to watch her suden switch between the Saint and the devil she Can be.
As a kid and young adult I was too focused on Goku and the action, so of course I saw Chi Chi as annoying.
As an adult rewatching the series and seeing her arguments with Goku, I get it. Chi Chi has to deal with Goku, for years, OFF SCREEN! They say never meet your heroes, right? Lol
You know I was sad when Buu wasn't in the tournament cause of the advantages he would bring particularly his healing ability.
Canon Chi-Chi: "Who are you?"
Z-Fighter Chi-Chi: "I'm you but better at fighting, family and fire."
I liked bio-broly due to the fact they focused on the side characters more
13:24 Personally, I think S-cells open the door for giving a plausible explanation for how so many humans in Dragon Ball Online could theoretically go Super Saiyan: Maybe at some point after ~Age 820, S-cells were artificially introduced to the human genome to enhance a number of humans following the invasion of the Freeza Force remnants in the wake of Hercule's death.
At least, that makes more sense to me than the Son and Briefs families having a ton of kids over 200+ years.
I never understood the hatred for S-cells
Given the sciency stuff that goes into dragon ball, eventually we were gonna be given a technical explanation on how super saiyan works
And the best part about the S-cell chestnut is that it doesnt exclude any saiyan from being able to go super. It only says that its harder for some than others, which is reflective of what we've actually seen in the show
Its honestly a harmless thing in the show and manga. As well, it doesnt change anything since it still hasnt come up for anything
I never hated Chi-Chi. I knew she was the type of mother to want the best for her kids.
And also, Chi-Chi's hot.
OG Broly is not a villain. He's an obstacle.
I personally miss that about Super Broly a bit. Yeah, he's more of a character, and far better written than his original incarnation - but that just ends up making me more conflicted about seeing him go all out. There always was that tragic character arc in the background, building towards a redemption arc.
With OG Broly it was more simple. More of a "turn off your brain and enjoy the carnage" kind of situation. The fun of breaking things for no reason distilled into a character, just because.
Hm, interesting, personally I don’t think I have changed about anything, but I could be wrong, I don’t really think about these kinds of things.
Anyway, this was a good topic, appreciate you covering this.
Honestly playing through dbz kakarot made me like her the little slice of life moments showed her more gentle and caring personality
I can’t overstate how much I love Super’s decision to make Beerus Bulla’s babysitter. And he genuinely likes her. It helps ground out the whole Daddy’s Little Princess vibe she had in GT, and how that dominant personality can make someone like Vegeta, or even Beerus, be unable to say no to her. I know I could never say no to her. 🥰 She’s adorable. She’s sassy. She always thinks she’s the best. But that’s because she is the best. And with the Super revision of her being immaculately delivered by an angel with innate god ki, she has so much room to grow. Just not vertically. My little cutie pie shortie waifu.
I remember Chi-Chi being calmer in DBZ Kakarot and she seemed far more understanding.
I think the only thing I can think of is Semi-Perfect Cell and Perfect Cell. I'm still not crazy about either design and Cell is FAR from one of my favorite villains but I've come to appreciate his contribution to the story more, both in his arc and what it gave for future ones.
i read this and immediately thought of DBZA gohan saying "oh we ARE f**ked."
Oh wow, I'm no longer the one guy who never hated Chi Chi. Never understood the hate for her, she's a mom who cares about her son who gets beaten to near death in every saga
Because after the TOP Bulma was worried for Vegeta while Chichi bitched as usual. That’s why.
I never hated Chichi the problem with her character was that she really was against accepting that her family wasn't normal.
I mean her husband is a alien warrior raised in the mountains while her kids are hybrids.
She can't expect that Goku will be a normal husband and that her kids aren't regular kids instead of superpowered half aliens especially when a lot of evil people wants to conquer or destroy earth.
11:51 I will defend “Broly Second Coming” till my dying day. It doesn’t have a poorly thought-out mystery and Broly is a threat to the cast. Still hate seeing Videl battered in every fight though, give this woman a “W”!
I kind of have to disagree regarding Old Broly.
The Old Broly was more simple just purly evil for the sake of it whilst more brutal, sadistic and actually more self-aware, in a way he's kind of like Kid Buu except more masculine and way more intimidating.
I think the real reason people believe Broly hates Goku because his crying kept him up was solely two randomly commentating on it.
When in actuality it was due to how Goku being a low class Saiyain with a power of 2 was able to make(and even intimidate) Broly cry which is actually embarrassing for the legendary Super Saiyan to the point no wonder the two unseen Saiyans found it hilarious.
While also acknowledging Goku's crying as a symbol of his unwillingness to back down especially to those who are stronger than himself despite being born as weak he is.
Which makes a lot of sense especially for Goku's character knowing what he'll become and what he'll be in the near future.
Originally I really didn’t liked Vegita being sold to me as a hero; It seemed like they went to thinking he was a good guy before he had done anything to make up for it; Since, he really has become his own character, but for his initial run, I didn’t see a difference between regular Vegita and Majin Vegita. ‘Oh no Vegita is possessed and blowing up innocent people left and right… wait so, what’s the difference?’
Give props where it is due. Without her influence, Gohan wouldn’t be the intelligent fighter that we love him for he is today!
Nope that's piccolo. Chichi is a bad teacher.
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Hey Masako! I just wanna give the two cents on old Broly;
Broly didn't even *hate* Goku in the first movie. That was dubism that carried on into the second movie.
Old Broly was basically a psychopath by Saiyan standards, to the point that Paragus had to brainwash him with the Slave Crown to reign him in.
All Kakarot did was serve as a catalyst to, as Paragus said in the original Japanese, "awaken Broly's saiyan instincts", enabling the monster to break out of his cage.
He was obsessed with Kakarot in the second movie because his Kakarot kicked his ass, and he wanted a rematch.
Tbf that doesn’t make it better.
@@spiro3142To be fair "Broly is a psycho, and Goku caused him to break free from the mind control by chance" makes more sense than "Oh, this guy hates Goku because he cried. Alot. For like 3 hours.*
Filler did the character 0 favors. Geez, I think the WORST of Chi-Chi was when Ox-King dropped some truth bombs while they were watching the Cell Games and if I remember correctly this woman literally threw her own father out of the house in a rage.
I don't know maybe being black, I just know at ANY age I wish I would raise my voice to my parents the way she did to her pops! Someone would need to gather the Dragon Balls afterwards though... 😂
What i love her i mean its her life she loves her family and a cool house and proud of her son and so what if she isn’t a fighter she doesn’t have to like videl they have realized they won’t catch up they would only get in Goku and gohan of getting hurt and cause more pain to them
I never hated chi chi as a kid or ever. I got right away what she was doing
Chi Chi: Gohan will grow up to be a scholar!
Z Fighters: No, let him fight!
Gohan: But I want to be a scholar.
Everyone knows Chichi is way hotter than Bulma. Don’t know why Dragonball continues pretend Bulma is the hot one.
Mr. Satan never changed at all.
This is definitely a great video, would you be doing another one but have it as a reverse to this one?
I used to really like seeing Goku come in and solo the villans because it was cool. But now seeing that irritates me because the side characters that I really like don't get to do anything significant in the story. They don't get to shine. Now seeing that just irritates me.
11:27 some people say that It was more symbolic of broly somehow sensing goku's latent potential, so he got excited. I meanz they could have made it more obvious, in the movie, but o well
Honestly, I feel like they can still make og broly comedic, one moment, but disturbing the next, like the joker
I used to hate chichi at first but the thing about her is that the older you get the more you start to understand her frustration.
MistareFusion does a fantastic breakdown of Chi-Chi's character that totally changed my view on her. She's just as much of a hick as Goku and she wants to do what's "proper" that city-folk do. Highly recommend his Saiyan Arc Part 3 video.
I stand by what I've said before. OG Broly's motivation is classic Dragonball. Petty and dumb villain motivations were everywhere back in the day.
What if Yamcha helped Goku and Piccolo fight Raditz, and ended up dying alongside Goku?/ What if Yamcha became the Strongest Human?
Some suggestions to what this Changes in the Comments below.🔽
These are some of the things that would Change:
1: Yamcha ends up accompanying Goku to King Kai's Planet, where he could help Goku train, and also learn both the Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb. (At this Point in the Story, Yamcha would have a Pure enough Heart/Soul so he could learn both these Techniques)
2: Yamcha is very Proficient at Controlling Ki, which is the Reason he can use his Spirit Ball, he ends up combining it with the Spirit Bomb, enabling him to use it the same way.
3: Goku doesn’t get as injured when fighting Vegeta, meaning he and Yamcha would accompany Krillin, Gohan and Bulma immediately.
4: With Goku, Krillin, Yamcha and Gohan all training together they get way stronger than in the Original, and Goku arrives earlier on Namek. (Let’s say Goku convinces Bulma to make a Gravity Chamber in the first ship)
5: Yamcha gets his Potential unlocked by Guru, while Goku declines as he doesn’t want Handouts, making Yamcha nearly as strong as Original Ginyu Saga Goku. (Lets say about 80,000 without Kaioken. Goku is at 100,000 in base)
6: Yamcha and Goku end up fighting Frieza together and also both land on Yardrat. (Or Metamor if we want to make it interesting and get earlier Fusions) Yamcha would learn Instant Transmission and learns one of the other Yardratian Techniques. (Goku didn’t learn one of these techniques in the Original since he was learning to Control his Super Saiyan transformation, but Yamcha can learn one of them) Lets say he decides to learn Healing, so he can use Kaioken more efficiently.
Some smaller things: Vegeta survives earth. Vegeta still gets with Bulma during the time Yamcha and Goku are on Yardrat. (Or Metamor if you want early fusions) Yamcha ends up getting together with Launch instead.
7:10 Huh,I always figured Jiren was a DBZ version of Superman. Never realized he was supposed to be a take on Batman.
Many fans hate her, but for me she made me feel something that I shouldn't have back when I was young. Even now, she's what formed my type of women 💀
I used to hate Chichi a lot when I was 17 to 18, but turns out I don’t hate her anymore because I get it she was right. Even my friends told me she wasn’t a bad person.
I remember finding out just how different Manga Chichi and Anime were.
Particularly that Manga Chichi was supposedly much more reasonable than the anime depicts her.
You mean sexism from the writers of GT that wrote pan to be like that cuz I thought the only thing toriyama did to pan was not giving her super saiyan since he “didn’t know how to draw a female super saiyan”.
Chi Chi wants her husband and children to be functional and thriving during peacetime which accounts for the greatest share of the timeline despite being the extreme minority of the screentime. Gohan grew up to be a responsible and productive member of society and Goten seems to be polite and well adjusted, headed down a similar track even if he's not that scholarly. That mindset of being equipped to live most of your life in peacetime is something she ultimately inherited from Roshi by way of her father raising her after living as his disciple alongside Grandpa Gohan.
I don't hate Chi Chi. I think I never have But, I'm sad for Videl, and Chi Chi.
Tbh, I think the anime ruined chi-chi for most part. In the manga she was overbearing, but it wasn’t to an absurdly annoying degree. The anime exaggerated her immensely and for most of her appearances in the anime is annoying until the buu saga.
Not a character, but a form. I originally disliked Blue like everyone else, especially because of its design and because it probably should’ve been unlocked later in the story. But I’ve really come to appreciate it, and how Super has really made it versatile with many different applications and variations, giving it a unique identity. It’s one of the few forms that after getting surpassed in power still managed to stay relevant
Blue honestly needed to be properly explained outside of interviews.
Super Saiyan Blue isnt just Super Saiyan God+Super Saiyan.
It's Saiyan Beyond God, the baseline form, with the classic Super Saiyan used as a different path compared to the red haired God form. Thats why they operate differently
Chi-Chi isn't real, guys. Chi-Chi can't hurt you.
I remember never understanding Gohan and his motivations when I first watched Z as a kid. I found him to be more annoying than Chi Chi. It felt like he kept backsliding and retreading the same character arc over and over, while at least her personality was usually cranked to 11 and over the top and more comical to me because of it.
GT Chichi feels like the original chichi again. Her husband comes back from a universal travel, was sealed in hell and is suddenly 50 years younger? And her reaction is more or less just "That's my Goku" with a smile.