People don’t respect these roles bc it’s a SuPeRhErO film but this film was fantastic and grounded as hell. I’m shocked Patrick didn’t get any recognition at all for this.
To see a man who had the strength to help many young mutants with their abilities, helped them while in one of the most dangerous times in their lives, going down so far as to not recognize Logan when he sees him... to say that he was such a disappointment... that hurts my heart. He did so much for the mutant people and for regular people as well. It’s sad to see such a hero go down like Charles.
The problem is that Charles is the disappointment, all the X men are dead and Mutants almost gone even after changing the timeline, shows that Charles and his morals were just wrong.
@@joshthaller4754 uh no. Magneto's plan was shown to fail in Days of future past, the whole premise of the movie is that Magneto's way doomed the entire Mutant race to which even Magneto understood in his later years. Xavier's path of peace is what allowed the mutants to even live as long as they did and be part of society where they could even be celebrated in comic books and clearly are still alive with Laura leading them.
Its so weird to hear Charles swear! The first time i heard it my head whipped around to the screen and i was like "WTF???? IS THAT ALLOWED?? IS THIS ALLOWED???"😂
Ikr? I found it so odd when I first saw this in the cinema back in 2017. James McAvoy's Charles swearing is no big deal, but Patrick Stewart's Charles swearing was surprising.
@@reneelawton1032 theyre the same person but yeah, young and still finding his way, basically a drug addict, swearing makes sense! but the noble old professor? it made me clutch my pearls!
... they do that, the elderly in their final days. It's actually the old age and pain that's making them swear like that. They can even say things that can hurt you. The neurons are not firing like they used to, it's like a haze to them. It's hard for people to understand because they think that even at your death of old age, your brain functions at 100% to give a powerful hollywood speech, it's not like that. It's slowly ticking down, you're not yourself anymore, one of the flags is when they lose their etiquette.
2:11 No matter how many times I see and hear it, it always makes my heart hurt. "When we took you in, I gave you a family." Knowing that no matter what, Logan always ends up losing those he cares for. It still hurts
Funny he survived against countless wars, scientists, cage fighters, his brother, samurai, future robots, but the thing that takes him out is the thing that made him stronger and what he is, the definition of true irony
@@Muhammad_Nuruddin he only died because his healing was nearly ineffective due to the adamantium poisoning his body. Logan in his usual state would’ve easily healed from being impaled like that.
"What a disappointment you are." I think no matter what Logan said or could've done, he always would've disappointed Charles. Wolverine was one of Professor X's top pupils. Sometimes Logan carried that accadamy on his back... but no matter how much he sacrificed, no matter how many disasters he prevented, and no matter how many people he saved... it would never be enough for Xavier. Mostly because that's not what he wanted for Logan. Proffesor X wanted Logan to live, not just exist day to day. Wolverine was to be the champion and herald of a new age of mutant. One who could live with humans *in peace.* But Logan, time, and time, and time again proved to be what he was designed to be... *a killing machine.*
then that's Charles' problems then isn't it? maybe his methods are just way too pacifist for this mutant vs human problem. humans would rather weaponize mutants (even enslave, if possible, as shown in this movie) for their own gain rather than joining in a parley, and Charles knows this better than anyone else in the mutant community. yet he still chooses to "show them a better path". so either he is incredibly stubborn and stupid, or as Mystique puts it - loves to control other people.
As realistic as this movie is, we deserve the alternate reality, to see the Mutants prosper and the ones who gave it all they could, for their sacrifice not to be in vain, a script like this worth writing, where Mutants dont lose but they win, they get their world or equality. This is just sad.
Charles referring to caliban as that fucking albino just seems so weird cause it’s just an odd amount of tension seemingly for no reason cause caliban has been shown to care quite a bit for both Logan and Charles even going as far as sacrificing himself for them
My predictions, what if the members of the X-Men or the mutants weren't killed in Logan and them getting transported to the MCU instead after Deadpool 3?
Hi there, I'm gonna try my best and explain on where the movie takes place in what timeline, if of course it does. LOGAN takes place in a what if scenario timeline where all natural born mutants were wiped out by the Transgein corporation via a chemical that not only weakened the mutants who consumed the food the chemical was in which in turn made their powers not work properly but result in mutant births not being possible anymore
The only disappointment is Charles. For all his power and morality he was wrong, Mutants almost extinct because of Humans and X men are dead in two different timelines.
@Animal Lover Its explained in articles and interviews that the drug created by company for food to keep mutants from being born had an adverse effect on Charles mind.
This is just further proof that Charles compassion and choices were mistakes that got mutants driven to extinction in both timelines and X men all dead in both timelines. He should have used cerbro to be more proactive to eliminate threats like Dr Rice and the reavers.
People in old age suffer buddy no matter how much you drug them, so the children of theirs make a choice, either drug them more and make their suffering last longer, or let them die peacefully, now it is what it is, and I've seen it soo many times that I've stopped bothering about it now
@@michaelunderhill8847 my granny is 93 , I found the behaviour of Charles pretty much the same as my granny's , brain tend to decay and describe this pattern
My father did, exactly like this, old full of white beards, I used to shave him, sometimes when he didn't want to eat turns exactly like this angry and throws away the food or medicine and sometimes scratch me or them angrily by his nails, the home nurses sometimes couldn't do it so they used to call me to do it, it's like you can't fight with them or hit them but you have to force them to eat it but not too much cause that's inhumane. Also used to do the thing when I tell him to assure me he swallowed the food or tablets he used to angrily and funnily open his mouth with tongue so out of his mouth with that silly voice like Charles which is mixed with little bit of anger and frustrating just like that exactly.
This scene made me cry. Charles is far gone. Logan is slowly dying. When charles says youre a disappointment, that hurt. Logan has tried to help and put everyone before himself.
Sure, but to say that maybe mutants are God's mistake to the man who devoted his life to the pursuit of mutant liberation and the belief that they were the next stage in human evolution would be truly disappointing, especially after he took him in and sheltered him like a father, saving him from his prior circumstances (as he illustrates here). It's a harsh thing to hear from a role model or father figure, but Logan's words were even harsher.
Logan is also deliberately making himself something of a target; by hiding the details of *how* the rest of the X-Men died, he's choosing to endure Charles' hate and suspicion rather than force him to live with the guilt of the tragedy his own failing health caused.
Charles said that Logan was a disappointment because he heard him say that mutants were God's mistake. Logan was basically agreeing with everyone that wanted mutants dead. All the villains that they had faced. Logan was on the same page as them. So yeah, Charles called him a disappointment after Logan made that idiotic comment. Logan gave up. While Charles, despite his illness and dire condition, did not give up.
"Maybe we were gods mistake." That was the worst thing Logan could've said to Charles. He dedicated his life to helping mutants and to hear his most trusted student turn his back on everything he was taught...absolutely devastating
What is more devastating is that Wolverine went through the experience of mutant extinction and loosing the X men in two timelines, Charles and his methods were simply wrong. Choice between your ideals or the people you love, I go with the people I love.
@@joshthaller4754 As well as Logan being older than Charles in general and has seen the absolute worse that man has to offer and has seen time and again how people just use mutants as tools and rarely see them as actual people.
"if we were god's mistake, then FUCK god. I do what I want, and no one, not even GOD can stop me from doing that. I'll do it or die trying." is what I think when I see this scene, but I know I'd probably be no more hopeful than Logan is here. Even Charles is struggling. we all think we would have the resolve to go on, until we're beaten down so many times that it just seems easier to give in. we can't though. we absolutely cannot. we carry with us the hopes and dreams of those who will come after us. those who fight along side us. we OWE it to them to do what is right. what is just. give in and you doom an entire generation to follow you into the darkness.
Charles whole rant was so goddamn depressing and sad than when he said to Logan "your waiting for me to die" I just broke down...fuck I love this movie
Logan said that there's no Mutants born for 25 years, this movie takes place in 2029, that means there's no mutants ever since 2004. Which means this proof that Logan is a seperate timeline to Days of Future Past
Exactly...I mean they mention the statue of 🗽 liberty fight. I thought days of future past fixed the WHOLE timeline but I guess not. It's okay though that Logan's "world" is different. I get confused sometimes because the dinner scene in the deleted scene, Charles mentioned that Logan killed jean (X 3) so is Logan in his own timeline lol .I thought I knew how it went but it's confusing.
I think Mangold took broad strokes when it came to canon. He made allusions to previous movies but didn't really care about fitting it into a strict timeline. And it was all the better for it
To be fair, "Logan" takes place in it's own timeline separate from the original (X1, X2, X3, The Wolverine) and Days Of Future Past alternate timeline ( Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix) which makes the whole movie non-canon to the already established universe. This movie was originally made to serve as a final and official send off to Hugh Jackman's version of Wolverine. To make things more clear, X-Men: First Class and certain elements of Days Of Future Past exist in both timelines. That's where the timeline splits in two. X-Men Origins: Wolverine is soft-canon in both timelines since we see glimpses of Wolverine's fight with his half brother when he recognizes Stryker in DoFP. Also the fact that the adamantium procedure takes place in both timelines. Deadpool (both movies) gets the same treatment of having his character exist in a different timeline. Overall, I wouldn't wrap my brain around it so much. It's easy to use the alternate timeline excuse to cover plot holes.
@@ProfessorKenneth i'd like to theorize that this was supposed to come out before DOFP, but then Fox was like "nah that happy ending shit has been done too many times, how bout we do a bitter ending for once?" without realizing that this might confuse some of the fans lol
In the comics Old Man Logan, Mysterio tricked Wolverine into killing the entire X-Men. In this movie, Professor X accidentally killed them all when he lost control of his powers.
@@ezpzgz he lost control of his power from the chemicals the US government put into food and water to kill off the X-gene in people so new mutants could not be born
@@ezpzgz Yeah, I mean think about it. An incredibly powerful psychic who is explicitly stated to be capable of killing a person simply by concentrating on them with his powers, which is weaponized in multiple directions in X2 (though unsuccessfully, as both attempts are foiled). Now the man is over 90 years old, and suffering from a debilitating brain disease that causes seizures. That's NOT a good combination.
The movie version works better for the plot. It wouldn't make sense for this universe's Magneto to slaughter mutants like that, no matter how much he disagrees with Charles.
When this movie was released, my grandpa was suffering dementia, left by a stroke, and we were taking care of him. We actually went to see this movie fora brief moment of escapism. We didn't expect that Professor X would be portrayed like this; each scene of him mirrored something my grandpa had done, with the exception of the horses thing. It was so relatable my mom left the theater in awe: the fact that the movie portrayed what was happening to her dad so well; it was absolutely painful for her, yet oddly comforting at the same time.
I always loved the line "logan, what did you do!?" Its great for this dementia plot line with Xavier but it's an obvious callback to the old man logan comic where all the x-men are in fact dead bc logan killed them after being brainwashed. We were never going to get a 100% accurate adaptation but this is still some A+ shit
That last line…it hits harder now then when I first saw the movie. I lost my mother to Cancer this September 23. Not looking for sympathy, just talking about how movies can make you think about what goes on in life.
Logan really made me cry and it was such a fitting finale of the original X-men movies and Logans journey . Patrick Stewarts performance in Logan was golden and the line when he told Logan : What a dissapointment you are . Hit me hard 😢. Hugh Jackman delivered a fantastic final performance of Logan .
I work in a nursing home and they very accurately depicted dementia.. Specially the demented part of it.. i've had residents that come up to me with very similar types of moods..
I dont think Eric would be able to even if he tried given that the anti mutant chemical poisoned every single mutant and prevented others like them being born, that is considering if Eric is alive by 2029
The irony in Charles’s “you are a disappointment” line is it’s implied that he killed the X-Men when he experienced a seizure. Quite the ironic tragedy.
Technically Charles never had to get old. He could have swapped bodies with someone who was in a permanent coma but due to ethical reasons he denied himself that. He could have been basically immortal which is why Apocalypse wanted him so badly. This movie just like all the xmen movies downplays and nerfs their ability's.
Superheroes powers have to be far more limited than in the comics, a group of god like mutants would lose the drama aspect immediately. It is implied in this movie that existing x-men are losing their abilities, apart from Charles neurological problems.
@@leonardobelli6221 Charles already transferred his consciousness, remember that the Phoenix destroyed his body in The Last Stand and he transferred his mind into his braindead twin's body.
This is one of he most depressing movies of all time. Even more so when you realize Patrick Stewart is getting up there in age, and before you know it something like this could happen to him.
Someone pointed out that it isn't because their powers were failing but because of the substance in the food that is inhibiting their abilities and weakening them
@@Ellerz03 still no. His healing factor worsened probably due to the shortening of his telomeres meaning he would have eventually died of old age. The adamantium did shorten his life tho.
@@Ellerz03 Actually, I think it IS implied that the substance in the food is what had been weakening his healing factor. Things like Anesthetic and a lot of toxins don't affect him due to the healing factor, but something that weakens the healing factor itself might well get through.
I came to this video just to find out why he called Logan a disappointment lol idk why. Does anyone know why Charles said that to him? Or was he just angry from his current state.
It's not only dementia, Xavier is deeply traumatised by what he did (Killing the other X-Men) and his mind has broken because of it. And when he blames Logan "What did you do?" you can see the pain buried under the weariness in Logan. He could lash out and tell Xavier what he did, but he knows that would be needless cruelty and so he just shrugs off the attack.
I like this movie more than Endgame because it emphasizes the realism of superhumans in society. Showing how fucked up the world is. And it’s criminal that this film didn’t receive any Oscar nominations. The Academy is a fucking joke.
@@24572 the movie definitely could’ve gotten more, wouldn’t you say? Hugh Jackman, Sir Patrick Stewart, and Daphne Keen gave the acting performances of their lives and not a single Oscar Nomination. 😤
Saw this movie at the theatres when it came out. A long time ago. I've forgotten parts of it but the feeling it gave me while watching it i still remember. The dread of facing our mortality, the despair of being helpless, and of putting our hopes in the generations after us.
I always thought, when Charles had conversation with Logan… -"They are all gone now" -"What did you do?…" That this was little easter egg, what really happened in comic book, where Logan massacred all x-men and was the last mutant. I can't imagine how more heartbreaking it would be for Logan story. Of course with changes, because of the absence of MCU.
Hope this ain't a silly question,but how does the timeline go chronologically,after watching Days of Future Past,I'm kinda lost,which Xmen movies get erased and which ones are canon? I like time travel stuff buuuut sometimes it can get pretty confusing :)
In the original timeline we have chronologically: X-Men First Class X-Men Origins Wolverine X-Men X2 X-Men The Last Stand The Wolverine X-Men DoFP (Here he travels back in time to 1973) New Timeline: X-Men First Class (This stays the same) X-Men DoFP (Events in 1973) X-Men Apocalypse X-Men Dark Phoenix Deadpool 1 & 2 The New Mutants X-Men DoFP (Logan awakens in the new future) Logan
This film makes it looks as if those who sacrificed themselves in the Sentinel War (the Free Mutants and Mutant Underground) and were not restored or not shown to be restored in the new timeline died in vain.
I believe Beast made a comment about how the timelines would correct themselves after time travel. I guess if mutants weren’t wiped out by Sentinels in one timeline, they were wiped out by Alkali-Transigen in another. There was no way for mutants to survive, which is a horrifically bleak ending to the franchise.
Logan is a separate timeline to Days of Future Past because it references The Last Stand, X-Men Origins and The Wolverine. None of those movies happened in the new Days timeline. Logan takes place in a unique timeline where Days of Future Past happened, but it didn't alter the timeline enough to erase those above movies entirely.
In the sentinel world, everyone died, there was zero hope. While this one was bleak, there was some hope through the small mutants that they'd come back.
@@tsukopara2054 I guess you're right. We see/hear numerous subtle references, we even see a samurai sword hung up Logan's room when he dozes off. Charles mentions the "Statue Of Liberty" as homage paid to the original X-Men movie, he also mentions Logan's former 'career' as a cage fighter which was how Rogue met him in the first movie. In a deleted scene both Charles and Logan mention Jean's death in X3, one of the kids asks Logan if Sabretooth was real and he makes a slight reference about the latter being part of the Weapon X program, which even though he really wasn't, he was still part of the covert-op Team X. I can't recall exactly who said it but it was mentioned that 'Logan' takes place in it's own timeline separate from the rest of the movies. My best guess is that it takes place in a universe in which The Sentinel threat didn't exist thus being replaced by Alkali-Transigen. This universe so far includes the original trilogy, X-Men: First Class, X-Men Origins: Wolverine and The Wolverine, rendering any events partaking to Days Of Future Past non-existent/irrelevant.
From what I can tell, it sounds like the "Statue of Liberty" being referred to is the one on the sign of the Liberty Motel, or maybe a reference to the motel itself.
I believe it was the hotel. After being followed the people who manufactured those mutant children, they were waiting for him at the "Statue of Liberty". A part of me thinks that Charles was able to see a little bit into the future of what was going to happen later in the movie, but Logan dismissed it as Charles just babbling nonsense about the events from the first movie. I haven't watched this movie in some time now. I'll have to rewatch it.
@@KRS2000 Charles was able to glean bits of information from telepathically speaking to Laura. He could see that she and the nurse were at the Liberty Motel.
*"What a disappointment you are" Pretty much what my father said to me, before & after his Dementia diagnosis. He passed on January 8th 2021 & I didn't & still haven't shed a tear, on October 17th the previous year my dog had to be put down & I was broken.*
Patrick Stewart should've received an Oscar nomination for best supporting actor. This movie shows his immense range perfectly
Meh, Oscars are a fucking joke.
The Oscars hate superhero movies
@@MarkARoutt the Oscars hate anything that doesn't buy its way into the academy or bend over to the Chinese Cinema
People don’t respect these roles bc it’s a SuPeRhErO film but this film was fantastic and grounded as hell. I’m shocked Patrick didn’t get any recognition at all for this.
@@MarkARoutt the movie got a screenplay nom. Sag and globes passing on him first let woody Harrelson take the spot he should’ve had I think.
To see a man who had the strength to help many young mutants with their abilities, helped them while in one of the most dangerous times in their lives, going down so far as to not recognize Logan when he sees him... to say that he was such a disappointment... that hurts my heart. He did so much for the mutant people and for regular people as well. It’s sad to see such a hero go down like Charles.
Charles swearing is so bizarre.
Well he told Logan to f off in Days Of Future Past
You would expect that from James McAvoy, but not from Patrick Stewart.
it's supposed to represent his mental decline. Xavier's intelligent shown through his eloquent language
@@zelphplayz that was his past version, alcohol in hand
Charles: What a disappointment you are.
Damn, that line hurts the most. Professor X was the last person you ever expect to hear say that line.
I do not think so. He really loved Logan, but he was angry on him, that he basically locked him down there.
I agree. Because logan is trying his best, but charles has lost his common sense. Thats why i liked this movie, realistically no one lives forever,
The problem is that Charles is the disappointment, all the X men are dead and Mutants almost gone even after changing the timeline, shows that Charles and his morals were just wrong.
@@joshthaller4754 uh no. Magneto's plan was shown to fail in Days of future past, the whole premise of the movie is that Magneto's way doomed the entire Mutant race to which even Magneto understood in his later years. Xavier's path of peace is what allowed the mutants to even live as long as they did and be part of society where they could even be celebrated in comic books and clearly are still alive with Laura leading them.
yeah that hurt a lot
Its so weird to hear Charles swear! The first time i heard it my head whipped around to the screen and i was like "WTF???? IS THAT ALLOWED?? IS THIS ALLOWED???"😂
He said "Fuck off" to Logan
Ikr? I found it so odd when I first saw this in the cinema back in 2017. James McAvoy's Charles swearing is no big deal, but Patrick Stewart's Charles swearing was surprising.
Surprising funny and sad and at the same time
@@reneelawton1032 theyre the same person but yeah, young and still finding his way, basically a drug addict, swearing makes sense! but the noble old professor? it made me clutch my pearls!
... they do that, the elderly in their final days.
It's actually the old age and pain that's making them swear like that. They can even say things that can hurt you. The neurons are not firing like they used to, it's like a haze to them.
It's hard for people to understand because they think that even at your death of old age, your brain functions at 100% to give a powerful hollywood speech, it's not like that.
It's slowly ticking down, you're not yourself anymore, one of the flags is when they lose their etiquette.
2:11
No matter how many times I see and hear it, it always makes my heart hurt.
"When we took you in, I gave you a family."
Knowing that no matter what, Logan always ends up losing those he cares for. It still hurts
And Charles was the one who took that family away, to 6ft of dirt.
Charles just saying "you're waiting for me to die" is just heart breaking.
Funny he survived against countless wars, scientists, cage fighters, his brother, samurai, future robots, but the thing that takes him out is the thing that made him stronger and what he is, the definition of true irony
Logan's clone killed him
@@Muhammad_Nuruddin he only died because his healing was nearly ineffective due to the adamantium poisoning his body. Logan in his usual state would’ve easily healed from being impaled like that.
@@Muhammad_NuruddinLogan in his prime would have completely destroyed his clone
@@canontheory literally no diffs the clone
Patrick Stewart is amazing actor. He shines in everything he does. 👍👍👍
the worst part is that charles killed everyone and he doesnt even know it. he thinks it was logan
"What a disappointment you are."
I think no matter what Logan said or could've done, he always would've disappointed Charles.
Wolverine was one of Professor X's top pupils. Sometimes Logan carried that accadamy on his back... but no matter how much he sacrificed, no matter how many disasters he prevented, and no matter how many people he saved... it would never be enough for Xavier.
Mostly because that's not what he wanted for Logan. Proffesor X wanted Logan to live, not just exist day to day. Wolverine was to be the champion and herald of a new age of mutant. One who could live with humans *in peace.*
But Logan, time, and time, and time again proved to be what he was designed to be... *a killing machine.*
then that's Charles' problems then isn't it? maybe his methods are just way too pacifist for this mutant vs human problem. humans would rather weaponize mutants (even enslave, if possible, as shown in this movie) for their own gain rather than joining in a parley, and Charles knows this better than anyone else in the mutant community. yet he still chooses to "show them a better path". so either he is incredibly stubborn and stupid, or as Mystique puts it - loves to control other people.
@@vuxluongw magneto did nothing wrong
No, he just has dementia mate
@@yossarian00I wouldn’t say that
“We should tell him the truth ” welcome to the mcu 🐐💪💪
no spoilers YAAAA
Patrick was so fking good in this scene and in this movie. Possibly his best performance?
So hard to watch heroes you grow up with so broken
1:16 "they are waiting for you at the Statue of Liberty." Proof this Logan is from the 2000 X men universe.
As realistic as this movie is, we deserve the alternate reality, to see the Mutants prosper and the ones who gave it all they could, for their sacrifice not to be in vain, a script like this worth writing, where Mutants dont lose but they win, they get their world or equality. This is just sad.
"Fuck off Logan." lmao
McAvoy and Stewart, they may both go down in history as part of the Top 10 best casting choices in cinema.
They did this sence well
This is so emotional
I don't like how they changed Prob X character
Charles referring to caliban as that fucking albino just seems so weird cause it’s just an odd amount of tension seemingly for no reason cause caliban has been shown to care quite a bit for both Logan and Charles even going as far as sacrificing himself for them
Wish Logan live forever in Marvel Studios.
0:45 u leave me alone with that fucking albino🤣🤣 when tf does professor x swear??
Since days of future past
I don’t know if you guys noticed but this scene pretty much confirms the first 3 x-men movies are canon to the Logan timeline
Spunky is not an albino, he has blue eyes.
Albino humans can have blue eyes
he gets burned by the Sun, dude
The Most brilliant Mutant has now become… uhh… Actually I don’t know what the word is
My predictions, what if the members of the X-Men or the mutants weren't killed in Logan and them getting transported to the MCU instead after Deadpool 3?
Is there Logan timeline?
Hi there, I'm gonna try my best and explain on where the movie takes place in what timeline, if of course it does. LOGAN takes place in a what if scenario timeline where all natural born mutants were wiped out by the Transgein corporation via a chemical that not only weakened the mutants who consumed the food the chemical was in which in turn made their powers not work properly but result in mutant births not being possible anymore
@@Dukesparrow1999 yeah, I mean is Logan after the happy ending of DOPF or another completely different timeline
@@АлександърМатеев-ы4ь It's set years after the happy ending of Days of Future Past.
You can also pretend it exists in his own little universe, as I do. Many of the X-Men movies are so broken.
@@SpFlash1523você está completamente errado
The only disappointment is Charles. For all his power and morality he was wrong, Mutants almost extinct because of Humans and X men are dead in two different timelines.
@Animal Lover Its explained in articles and interviews that the drug created by company for food to keep mutants from being born had an adverse effect on Charles mind.
This is just further proof that Charles compassion and choices were mistakes that got mutants driven to extinction in both timelines and X men all dead in both timelines. He should have used cerbro to be more proactive to eliminate threats like Dr Rice and the reavers.
it's funny how the most depressing movie is the best x-men movie while x-men apocalypse was hated because of how depressing magneto's story was
Boy Charles Amy, Huh Love them Large Mammas to huh? See I knew I wasn't the only one who Love?
For someone who lives with elder people knows that the behaviour of Charles , is so accurate to the real life.
People in old age suffer buddy no matter how much you drug them, so the children of theirs make a choice, either drug them more and make their suffering last longer, or let them die peacefully, now it is what it is, and I've seen it soo many times that I've stopped bothering about it now
Facts
@@michaelunderhill8847 my granny is 93 , I found the behaviour of Charles pretty much the same as my granny's , brain tend to decay and describe this pattern
My father did, exactly like this, old full of white beards, I used to shave him, sometimes when he didn't want to eat turns exactly like this angry and throws away the food or medicine and sometimes scratch me or them angrily by his nails, the home nurses sometimes couldn't do it so they used to call me to do it, it's like you can't fight with them or hit them but you have to force them to eat it but not too much cause that's inhumane. Also used to do the thing when I tell him to assure me he swallowed the food or tablets he used to angrily and funnily open his mouth with tongue so out of his mouth with that silly voice like Charles which is mixed with little bit of anger and frustrating just like that exactly.
Sadly i know from experience
This scene made me cry. Charles is far gone. Logan is slowly dying. When charles says youre a disappointment, that hurt. Logan has tried to help and put everyone before himself.
Sure, but to say that maybe mutants are God's mistake to the man who devoted his life to the pursuit of mutant liberation and the belief that they were the next stage in human evolution would be truly disappointing, especially after he took him in and sheltered him like a father, saving him from his prior circumstances (as he illustrates here). It's a harsh thing to hear from a role model or father figure, but Logan's words were even harsher.
Logan is also deliberately making himself something of a target; by hiding the details of *how* the rest of the X-Men died, he's choosing to endure Charles' hate and suspicion rather than force him to live with the guilt of the tragedy his own failing health caused.
@@Kyran1996 isn’t about who did what, family is more than that.
Charles said that Logan was a disappointment because he heard him say that mutants were God's mistake.
Logan was basically agreeing with everyone that wanted mutants dead. All the villains that they had faced. Logan was on the same page as them.
So yeah, Charles called him a disappointment after Logan made that idiotic comment.
Logan gave up. While Charles, despite his illness and dire condition, did not give up.
Reminds me of days of future past charles
"Maybe we were gods mistake." That was the worst thing Logan could've said to Charles. He dedicated his life to helping mutants and to hear his most trusted student turn his back on everything he was taught...absolutely devastating
What is more devastating is that Wolverine went through the experience of mutant extinction and loosing the X men in two timelines, Charles and his methods were simply wrong. Choice between your ideals or the people you love, I go with the people I love.
the us military ruined mutants, because they wanted to weaponize them
That’s what Shingen told him from The Wolverine right?
@@joshthaller4754 As well as Logan being older than Charles in general and has seen the absolute worse that man has to offer and has seen time and again how people just use mutants as tools and rarely see them as actual people.
"if we were god's mistake, then FUCK god. I do what I want, and no one, not even GOD can stop me from doing that. I'll do it or die trying." is what I think when I see this scene, but I know I'd probably be no more hopeful than Logan is here. Even Charles is struggling. we all think we would have the resolve to go on, until we're beaten down so many times that it just seems easier to give in. we can't though. we absolutely cannot. we carry with us the hopes and dreams of those who will come after us. those who fight along side us. we OWE it to them to do what is right. what is just. give in and you doom an entire generation to follow you into the darkness.
Charles whole rant was so goddamn depressing and sad than when he said to Logan "your waiting for me to die" I just broke down...fuck I love this movie
It is hard to see Xavier like this.
;(
it’s hard seeing Logan like this, too.
Magneto would put Charles out of his Misery tbh
He’s not himself
@@therealmr.incredible3179 Where was Magneto in Logan?
“I always know who you are it’s just sometimes I don’t recognize you”. Reminds me of my grandmother 😂
Why that emote what the hell
“You leave me alone with that fucking albino” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Never thought I'd hear Sir Patrick Stewart as Xavier say that word. Ever!
@@natek4488and i love the context of Xavier's Alzheimer's/dementia, as out of character swearing is actually extremely common with those
Lanky tall goggle eyed freak
Logan said that there's no Mutants born for 25 years, this movie takes place in 2029, that means there's no mutants ever since 2004. Which means this proof that Logan is a seperate timeline to Days of Future Past
Exactly...I mean they mention the statue of 🗽 liberty fight. I thought days of future past fixed the WHOLE timeline but I guess not. It's okay though that Logan's "world" is different. I get confused sometimes because the dinner scene in the deleted scene, Charles mentioned that Logan killed jean (X 3) so is Logan in his own timeline lol .I thought I knew how it went but it's confusing.
I think Mangold took broad strokes when it came to canon. He made allusions to previous movies but didn't really care about fitting it into a strict timeline. And it was all the better for it
To be fair, "Logan" takes place in it's own timeline separate from the original (X1, X2, X3, The Wolverine) and Days Of Future Past alternate timeline ( Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix) which makes the whole movie non-canon to the already established universe. This movie was originally made to serve as a final and official send off to Hugh Jackman's version of Wolverine.
To make things more clear, X-Men: First Class and certain elements of Days Of Future Past exist in both timelines. That's where the timeline splits in two. X-Men Origins: Wolverine is soft-canon in both timelines since we see glimpses of Wolverine's fight with his half brother when he recognizes Stryker in DoFP. Also the fact that the adamantium procedure takes place in both timelines. Deadpool (both movies) gets the same treatment of having his character exist in a different timeline.
Overall, I wouldn't wrap my brain around it so much. It's easy to use the alternate timeline excuse to cover plot holes.
And where was Spider-Man when all of this went down? Such an egotistical hero he is. He never cared for anyone but Iron Man.
@@ProfessorKenneth i'd like to theorize that this was supposed to come out before DOFP, but then Fox was like "nah that happy ending shit has been done too many times, how bout we do a bitter ending for once?" without realizing that this might confuse some of the fans lol
In the comics Old Man Logan, Mysterio tricked Wolverine into killing the entire X-Men. In this movie, Professor X accidentally killed them all when he lost control of his powers.
And I accept the idea, lost control of his power because old age
@@ezpzgz he lost control of his power from the chemicals the US government put into food and water to kill off the X-gene in people so new mutants could not be born
@@ezpzgz Yeah, I mean think about it. An incredibly powerful psychic who is explicitly stated to be capable of killing a person simply by concentrating on them with his powers, which is weaponized in multiple directions in X2 (though unsuccessfully, as both attempts are foiled).
Now the man is over 90 years old, and suffering from a debilitating brain disease that causes seizures. That's NOT a good combination.
A really good red herring to those who read the comic. They all thought Logan was the one who killed the X-Men but it was Charles instead.
The movie version works better for the plot. It wouldn't make sense for this universe's Magneto to slaughter mutants like that, no matter how much he disagrees with Charles.
“Fuck off Logan” 😂
Captain America: Language.
@@daniels4560forget Cap, Colossus also said that 😂
still my favorite movie to this day
one of the best superhero movies ever and my personal favourite superhero movie
@@arturocastroverde3349 This almost feels like Last of Us tbh
@@justsomejoyousj it pretty much is just x men version
Same, my favorite movie of all time. Watched it more than 20 times
@@michaelmartinez9042 true
When this movie was released, my grandpa was suffering dementia, left by a stroke, and we were taking care of him. We actually went to see this movie fora brief moment of escapism.
We didn't expect that Professor X would be portrayed like this; each scene of him mirrored something my grandpa had done, with the exception of the horses thing.
It was so relatable my mom left the theater in awe: the fact that the movie portrayed what was happening to her dad so well; it was absolutely painful for her, yet oddly comforting at the same time.
0:27 Caught me so off guard 😂
I always loved the line "logan, what did you do!?"
Its great for this dementia plot line with Xavier but it's an obvious callback to the old man logan comic where all the x-men are in fact dead bc logan killed them after being brainwashed.
We were never going to get a 100% accurate adaptation but this is still some A+ shit
That last line…it hits harder now then when I first saw the movie. I lost my mother to Cancer this September 23. Not looking for sympathy, just talking about how movies can make you think about what goes on in life.
Logan really made me cry and it was such a fitting finale of the original X-men movies and Logans journey . Patrick Stewarts performance in Logan was golden and the line when he told Logan : What a dissapointment you are . Hit me hard 😢.
Hugh Jackman delivered a fantastic final performance of Logan .
He's not done playing Logan/Wolverine yet as he's going to reprise Wolverine in Deadpool 3 which is coming out next year.
To quote a certain Viltrumite, "You should have stayed dead". Logan really should have been Wolverine's swan song.
I can only imagine how much seeing Charles like this hurts Logan
this movie had me tearing up.
WHOS CUTTING ONIONS 😭😭
"I always know who you are, it's just that sometimes I don't recognize you"
That really hurts considering what happens later...
Picard and Charles Xavier will always be my favorite characters
I work in a nursing home and they very accurately depicted dementia.. Specially the demented part of it.. i've had residents that come up to me with very similar types of moods..
It's hard to see a Professor X like this
Geez, Professor blows alot of F-Bombs in this X-Men film.
Can you blame the dude?
@@princess7jasmine No blames. Btw he did not die in Dr Strange M.O.M.
“Fuck off Logan” idk why but hearing that from Patrick Stewarts Xavier, is just dam hilarious
I feel magneto would be destroyed seeing Charles like that to the point where he would probably want to kill Logan
He would actually just kill Charles rather than see him suffer. Then he'd kill Logan.
I dont think Eric would be able to even if he tried given that the anti mutant chemical poisoned every single mutant and prevented others like them being born, that is considering if Eric is alive by 2029
One of the most thought provoking and unexpected movies ever
Crazy to think that Logan is older than Charles in this scene
have a nice life bro
@@perfectopubg7320what did u mean by this😭
@@rickhaaksema6627 take care of yourself bro
The irony in Charles’s “you are a disappointment” line is it’s implied that he killed the X-Men when he experienced a seizure. Quite the ironic tragedy.
This depiction of Xavier is eerily similar to how my dad developed through his dementia. Oof it hits home.
Technically Charles never had to get old. He could have swapped bodies with someone who was in a permanent coma but due to ethical reasons he denied himself that. He could have been basically immortal which is why Apocalypse wanted him so badly. This movie just like all the xmen movies downplays and nerfs their ability's.
Superheroes powers have to be far more limited than in the comics, a group of god like mutants would lose the drama aspect immediately. It is implied in this movie that existing x-men are losing their abilities, apart from Charles neurological problems.
@@leonardobelli6221 Charles already transferred his consciousness, remember that the Phoenix destroyed his body in The Last Stand and he transferred his mind into his braindead twin's body.
@@tsukopara2054 but that's erased from the timeline after the events of days of future past, Charles has stayed in his original body.
This is one of he most depressing movies of all time. Even more so when you realize Patrick Stewart is getting up there in age, and before you know it something like this could happen to him.
Seeing charles like this remembers me of my grandfather that passed away
Green goblin: in spite of everything you done for them eventually they will hate you
jesus this line hits more true than ever
Him calling Kaliban a Albino was hilarious
This reminds me of my dad on his last days we loved each other even if it was heated at times rip pops
have a nice life bro
I'm sorry for your loss 🙏🏼
The comedy part is Logan is elder and more older than Charles😂
You know the movie is dark when charles is cursing like a sailor
Someone pointed out that it isn't because their powers were failing but because of the substance in the food that is inhibiting their abilities and weakening them
For Charles yes, but Logan’s healing factor would’ve prevented him from being affected, it was the adamantium poisoning that was killing him
@@Ellerz03 no it was just old age that weakened his healing factor. The adamantium poisoning was always there, just it was always covered up.
@@superrooster18 Logan was 200 years old prior to this, had he of not had the adamantium he would’ve lived for eternity
@@Ellerz03 still no. His healing factor worsened probably due to the shortening of his telomeres meaning he would have eventually died of old age. The adamantium did shorten his life tho.
@@Ellerz03 Actually, I think it IS implied that the substance in the food is what had been weakening his healing factor. Things like Anesthetic and a lot of toxins don't affect him due to the healing factor, but something that weakens the healing factor itself might well get through.
I came to this video just to find out why he called Logan a disappointment lol idk why. Does anyone know why Charles said that to him? Or was he just angry from his current state.
Logan's cynicism got too deep for a moment when he said that mutants could've been a mistake, and that's what led to it
@@Gemidori ahh I see. Thanks for the answer.
bit of both i think.
It's not only dementia, Xavier is deeply traumatised by what he did (Killing the other X-Men) and his mind has broken because of it.
And when he blames Logan "What did you do?" you can see the pain buried under the weariness in Logan. He could lash out and tell Xavier what he did, but he knows that would be needless cruelty and so he just shrugs off the attack.
I like this movie more than Endgame because it emphasizes the realism of superhumans in society. Showing how fucked up the world is. And it’s criminal that this film didn’t receive any Oscar nominations. The Academy is a fucking joke.
I agree
@Gear5Soul You're wrong. It DID receive an Academy nomination for Best Adapted Screenplay. Well-deserved in my opinion.
@@24572 the movie definitely could’ve gotten more, wouldn’t you say? Hugh Jackman, Sir Patrick Stewart, and Daphne Keen gave the acting performances of their lives and not a single Oscar Nomination. 😤
Logan says “ maybe we were gods mistake”. When I saw this with my friends I said out loud in the theater “ If only Erik where here”. Everyone agreed.
I wonder if Eric was still alive by the time of Logan, he was right in the end
Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart were both snubbed
This really shows how much logan cared for charles
No god's mistake, Was to explain that in the Beginning TP was the leaves Adam and Eve use to cover themselves. That's 🤢
You leave me alone with that @#$4% Albino. Poor Charles he is far gone 😢
0:28 "fuck off"
is something we need for the star trek memes
Sir Patrick if you can read this you are an acting genius!
Charles Xavier looks like my Dad When he's in his 80's
Taking care of the elderly
Even though you are twice as old
Nice to know Professor Rex even when he’s mentally crippled, he still has a wool to help people I feel bad for his death
I kinda feel sorry 😔 for Logan due his situation with proffesor x.
Saw this movie at the theatres when it came out. A long time ago. I've forgotten parts of it but the feeling it gave me while watching it i still remember. The dread of facing our mortality, the despair of being helpless, and of putting our hopes in the generations after us.
I always thought, when Charles had conversation with Logan…
-"They are all gone now"
-"What did you do?…"
That this was little easter egg, what really happened in comic book, where Logan massacred all x-men and was the last mutant. I can't imagine how more heartbreaking it would be for Logan story. Of course with changes, because of the absence of MCU.
Yeah after she rode on top I was the same chuck.
What’s sad about this movie is that
The X-men are dead
I love the banter between the two. Makes them relatable
2:41 I know this part should be sad but the way he said it makes me laugh
Facts
Same
Hope this ain't a silly question,but how does the timeline go chronologically,after watching Days of Future Past,I'm kinda lost,which Xmen movies get erased and which ones are canon?
I like time travel stuff buuuut sometimes it can get pretty confusing :)
this is like the distant future i think
At the end of future past, get dosent get sent back to the future, he goes to the 2000's which most likely led to this future instead
In the original timeline we have chronologically:
X-Men First Class
X-Men Origins Wolverine
X-Men
X2
X-Men The Last Stand
The Wolverine
X-Men DoFP (Here he travels back in time to 1973)
New Timeline:
X-Men First Class (This stays the same)
X-Men DoFP (Events in 1973)
X-Men Apocalypse
X-Men Dark Phoenix
Deadpool 1 & 2
The New Mutants
X-Men DoFP (Logan awakens in the new future)
Logan
@@williamochoa8492 but since Jean died in dark Phoenix how does she appear alive in dofp after logan wakes up that's what confuses me
@@CjCNFG99 Well, we can assume that years previous an event occurred where she returns. At least that's how I like to believe it.
Charles is not acting like himself 🙁😓
Logan probably canon to the original timeline it mentioned things for the past and also the deleted scenes mention things from the past as well.
The Best first Marvel movie that recieved a nomination to Best picture Is Logan.
This film makes it looks as if those who sacrificed themselves in the Sentinel War (the Free Mutants and Mutant Underground) and were not restored or not shown to be restored in the new timeline died in vain.
I believe Beast made a comment about how the timelines would correct themselves after time travel. I guess if mutants weren’t wiped out by Sentinels in one timeline, they were wiped out by Alkali-Transigen in another.
There was no way for mutants to survive, which is a horrifically bleak ending to the franchise.
Logan is a separate timeline to Days of Future Past because it references The Last Stand, X-Men Origins and The Wolverine. None of those movies happened in the new Days timeline.
Logan takes place in a unique timeline where Days of Future Past happened, but it didn't alter the timeline enough to erase those above movies entirely.
In the sentinel world, everyone died, there was zero hope. While this one was bleak, there was some hope through the small mutants that they'd come back.
@@tsukopara2054 I guess you're right. We see/hear numerous subtle references, we even see a samurai sword hung up Logan's room when he dozes off. Charles mentions the "Statue Of Liberty" as homage paid to the original X-Men movie, he also mentions Logan's former 'career' as a cage fighter which was how Rogue met him in the first movie. In a deleted scene both Charles and Logan mention Jean's death in X3, one of the kids asks Logan if Sabretooth was real and he makes a slight reference about the latter being part of the Weapon X program, which even though he really wasn't, he was still part of the covert-op Team X.
I can't recall exactly who said it but it was mentioned that 'Logan' takes place in it's own timeline separate from the rest of the movies. My best guess is that it takes place in a universe in which The Sentinel threat didn't exist thus being replaced by Alkali-Transigen. This universe so far includes the original trilogy, X-Men: First Class, X-Men Origins: Wolverine and The Wolverine, rendering any events partaking to Days Of Future Past non-existent/irrelevant.
Logan isn't a superhero movie. It's a love story.
0:31 Charles true mission in this film was saving Logans soul
From what I can tell, it sounds like the "Statue of Liberty" being referred to is the one on the sign of the Liberty Motel, or maybe a reference to the motel itself.
X-Men 1.
I believe it was the hotel. After being followed the people who manufactured those mutant children, they were waiting for him at the "Statue of Liberty". A part of me thinks that Charles was able to see a little bit into the future of what was going to happen later in the movie, but Logan dismissed it as Charles just babbling nonsense about the events from the first movie.
I haven't watched this movie in some time now. I'll have to rewatch it.
@@KRS2000 Charles was able to glean bits of information from telepathically speaking to Laura. He could see that she and the nurse were at the Liberty Motel.
@@RockLegend2A That makes sense. I'd watch it right now, but I'm binging the 90s cartoon 😁.
It is.
Who was the last mutant born that wolverine mentioned
This was so painful to watch. And what's scary is it could happen to my parents, or my kids may see it happen to me.
*"What a disappointment you are" Pretty much what my father said to me, before & after his Dementia diagnosis. He passed on January 8th 2021 & I didn't & still haven't shed a tear, on October 17th the previous year my dog had to be put down & I was broken.*