This video was made, and rushed to be dropped before 1999 officially released, so if I missed some knowledge that's why, but as of now, which is still before the update released, I think most of my points and problems with the story of the update will hold up. Regardless, I'm excited to check the update out, and I'll probably be streaming, hope you all enjoy the video, thank you so much for the support, lots of love Kook, The Fanatic
It's talking about the story relevance and all of that, this script was written several days ago, so I hurried up and finished the editing since some points or thoughts might be different once the actual update releases
@@dragonriderabens9761 it doesn’t at all, and after playing it’s held up extremely well. I legit couldn’t stand by my points more lmao. The updated didn’t need to be out to understand the direction the story was going in, unless you literally just never played story quests in Warframe or looked at a single promotional piece they showed themselves of 1999. If you couldn’t tell what the setting was going to be, the sort of story, and theme and culture of what they were releasing I don’t know how. Did you look at the marketing?
WF player here with 7000 hrs, I recommend approaching warframe in the lens of just like a Saturday cartoon. They release a new Episode/ Update that introduces new lore or mechanics in the game with a faction of your choosing. After that, they move on to the next episode with a different focus/ topic. They add on to the past updates while moving things forward in big new updates, "content Islands" in the game. All of this Small past and Big new updates add up in the end and slowly builds/ fleshes out the world of the game/ series. (Edit: Also "Terrible Update" is such a charged word to use, I know your emotional invested to the game but Its not even out yet💀)
I might be insane, but I thought I just responded to a different comment by you lmao. But, I heavily disagree with your take here, as someone who's also played Warframe for a considerable amount of time, from it's release to today, I think it's done a fairly good job of releasing updates and supplying them with decent lore within the universe. Most of the content fixes they usually come back to work on involve the game mechanics, or new items and things along those lines, things that I'm not mentioning in this video, or care about at large. In the last comment I believe you posted, but once again I could be going insane, I disagreed with your content islands take. In the past, everything that has been released inside Warframe has made sense within the Warframe universe itself, I don't think there's a single update you could point too that teleports you too a completely different scenery, timeframe, and objective like 1999 has presented itself to do. Releasing a feature like the Plains of Eidilon and then updating later is not a "content island" in my opinion, because it fits in perfect with the world of the game. However, creating an entire new universe that is completely different, would classify as one in my opinion. The features they've released before, have felt connected in universe and not like an entirely separate thing which is required, in my opinion, for a content island to exist. That's also where my bigger issues comes into play, it's not only that they're ignoring story lines they've already ignored for literal years, it's because I think 1999 doesn't look like Warframe at all, and doesn't make sense in the game universe. They literally pulled, "here's a magically teleporter that takes you anywhere, so now everything makes sense lore wise lmao" and I hate that. Every update they've released so far HAD to make sense within the established universe with the rules they set for themselves, but with this update, they've removed those rules in the laziest way possible, which is of course time travel bullcrap. When it comes to calling it a terrible update, or worst warframe update, I'm already completely confident in that, because one of the most important things in Warframe for me is the story, and I already tell that this update is taking the story in a direction that I hate, while not tying up loose ends or expanding on the universe they've already created. The update will have good gameplay, and I look forward to the new PvPvE mode, however, I'm confident in my words because I don't like a single piece of the lore surrounding it.
politely, this video is shit. Dark sector wasn't just warframe beta, it's a game in it's own. A game that has a lot of similarities to warframe but clearly isn't parallel NOR related in any way. Also... the flow of the lore isn't being disturbed. We are chasing the man in the wall, who has been being teased for a very long time. Him, the remaining grineer queen and the tau system are probably the last big long-term story telling beats DE has before the quests truly start to become unrelated to the modern story. Please please please don't lie and act like time travel is "new" to warframe in regards to the most built up villain (he's been being built up since like Harrow's release btw, so at least 7 years ago) just because YOU don't understand the lore does not mean the new update is interfering with the modern storyline of warframe. Acting like time travel, in a game with space ninjas who use planetary-scale magic, is the most unbelievable thing is so disingenuous. I'm honestly surprised to hear that you claim to praise the dev team at all, because you must have played the game with your eyes closed and ears blocked. The boy band stuff is awesome. If you're still scared of DE taking risks and trying to be transformative in their games, stop playing now. Warframe will never be your typical game, they will always be attempting to change the way you can fall in love with warframe again and again.
Politely, this comment is shit. Jkjk, I appreciate your opinion, but disagree with nearly everything you just said. One, when did I ever, and I mean ever, claim dark sector was a beta? I mentioned multiple times how it is its own standalone game, with its own lore, that doesn’t connect to warframe at all. So why would you even say that in your comment? Two, I hate this argument about chasing the man in the wall, because it allows people using it to ignore everything else in the game, and the rules within the Warframe universe. If they wrote that you had to travel to a giant piece of cheese to confront the man in the wall, your argument would back that up, which is something I just can’t agree with. Please please please don’t pretend like time travel is a reoccurring thing! We’ve had the man in the wall showing us our past, and taking us there in some sort of dream state, and then we’ve had the drifted and operator collide in a paradox thing. But to imply that traveling back in time in a fucking Time Machine, and having to become the fucking time patrol from dragonball Xenoverse has been hinted at and made sense is incredibly disingenuous and just wrong. I’m being led to believe YOU don’t understand the story in the slightest here, or at least have an incredibly different perception of it. You’re rude in your comment, and in my opinion, your points aren’t great and are easily refutable! Every time I stream this game, or release a video about a piece of lore, I’m usually defending the dev steam and some way, and complimenting their work, if you think that’s just a false claim I’m sure you could easily go watch some of my content and see that. I’m glad you enjoy the boy band stuff, and I hope you enjoy everything else as well. But I enjoy Warframe, and you’re making this argument they’ve always taken risks and all of this, but everything up to this point has made complete since, well almost everything, within the bounds of the universe they’ve created. I disagree that this does. You could include a boy band and a dating sim if you want, but I don’t think this was the right way to do it, and in all honesty, I personally don’t like that in Warframe. Which is my opinion.
We have been fighting corpus and grinner for 11 years now, they trying to make something new while continuing the void war arc which is a universe level conflict cause yknow eldritch void being? That seems much more important to deal with then the putrid worm queen and whatever granum is doing. The whole point of tau was the main goal of the orokin and with ballas's death the orokin are gone. The whole point of this new arc is leveling up the scales of the conflict to space ninjas fighting petty factions to fighting a universal threat.
The issue my video makes with this isn’t about the threat itself, but how it’s executed and where it’s executed. I don’t like how the setting resembles a different game more than Warframe. With this type of reasoning, we could put the man in the wall inside fnaf and it’d make sense, and I think that’s really stupid. I don’t hate the man in the wall or going after him, I hate how it’s executed which I make clear in the video. Secondly, saying petty faction conflict is insane, when the entirety of the Warframe universe takes place in the origin system, except the Tua system. Implying that it’s petty conflict, and not the destruction of everything known in the universe is just nonsensical and incorrect. The Tenno were revived because the Grineer were fully conquering the entire system, and genociding every non Grineer. That’s petty?? I just have to disagree with you there, but I respect your opinion if you don’t think that’s a big deal, or a threat to the entire Warframe universe.
Honestly the lose ends are one of my favourite part of Warframe. Being able to theorize and speculate about more of whats out there is my favourite thing when it comes to any media. I would definitely love more optional content or events that expand on the lore, but 1999 is main story content, and that is focused on Entrati and the man in the wall currently. Did it have to involve time travel? No. Dose it give us an opertunity to tackle more scifi tropes in DEs unique ways, new environments and character to interact with? Yes. Overrall i agree with what you are saying, and the arguments over what DE is prioritising are extremely valid, but i dont think that makes 1999 a bad update itself, just a disappointment in resouce allocation. (All just my opinion, feel free to diagree i might change my mind completly when the update comes out we'll see)
I appreciate your comment Jay, and I'm happy that you're looking forward to the update! I personally agree to a certain extent that loose ends are cool, but I think there's a little bit too many for my liking present in the Origin System already, and like I say I'd like to get them covered before moving a game in a completely different direction, but I respect it if you disagree with that. When it comes to saying it's a bad update, I solely mean when it comes to the story that has been presented so far. I'm sure it'll run and play great, I just think it's my personal least favorite update, because it feels the least like Warframe to me, and like it's moving the story in a direction that'll leave a lot of things unanswered. Also I do think that the dating sim thing is pretty weird, and that it's a poor use of resources.
I completely disagree, it’s told it may be a paradise, but there’s a reason sentiments came back, why did they attempt to conquer the origin system if tua was perfect? Untouched by man is something I just disagree with, the sentients are made by orokin, or men in this case, and the sentients touched all over the tua system. I think it’s important we learn what’s going on there, why ballas wanted to see it, and why the sentients left it, at least a large number. I disagree with your take, but I can understand wanting it to remain mysterious
I don’t know if I fully agree with that either, instead of staying where they know the orokin could never reach them, they do the one thing that could insanely hurt them by invading? I think maybe tua wasn’t that perfect
@@kookthekid8338I think it was a question of technological difference, even because the Orokins did not have advanced technology to reach Tau and terraform it from there, that's why only the Sentients went to Tau, it was then that the Sentients realized that the Orokins were going to destroy the Tau system and then returned to the system of origin and try to extirpate humanity, but still I think that the capital of the Sentients is still in Tau and only a part returned.
"Orokin could never reach Tau", "Orokin didn't have advanced tech to reach Tau and terraform it". Guys, try to read the lore more often instead of headcanon everything. Who create the Sentient and terraform the entire solar system in the first place? Who is the one sending the Sentient to Tau?
Missing the fact that if the indifference exists as a threat, the Tenno and by extension all organics in the origin system can’t void jump to tau, without risking another zarimin incident. Entrati went back to 1999 to try to escape it but it followed him, so we also have to follow him.
Yes I understand that, the problem is with this defense of the story update, in my opinion, is that you could literally say Entrati had to travel back to anywhere to do this, which causes this writing to be incredibly lazy in my opinion. They could say you have to go to FNAFs Pizzeria in order to escape from Wally, and with what you just wrote, it’d be making sense in your mind. If that’s your take I understand, but I personally disagree with it, because of how easily it can become goofy, and because I believe there should be rules you have to follow once you create them in your own universe, and I just don’t think this is the right way to expand them when it comes to warframe.
@@kookthekid8338 With respect as I really like your videos, I will explain why I disagree Time and the manipulation of it has been an established theme of Warframe since the new war, and the void has always been established to exist outside of time You say Grineer and Corpus were sidelined for more important things like sentients and orokin but now it is bad? But the void is the most relevant and important part of Warframe and is the main focus right now. Tau being another system to explore would lowkey defeat the point of it being untouched by man, and the point to me is that we never see it because it is too beautiful to be tainted by us I seriously doubt they wanted to just make another Dark Sector, I think they just wanted to take inspiration since they were going back in time to this time period which lines up with Dark Sector, because if their corporate overlords wanted them to “keep milking” solely they wouldn’t be making soulframe Finally, I just have faith in DE, their storytelling is impeccable, and they constantly innovate and try new things. Maybe it isn’t always traditional, but it always tries to deliver ambition and that’s what I love. At the end of the day, this is still Warframe and while the other storylines definitely need continuance, Warframe 1999 is looking stellar
Can you please show when time manipulation was a huge theme? There was converging worlds in the void, but I’d HEAVILY disagree that it was time travel and not just a different universal collusion. The void is more important, which is why I would like it to actually be explored, and not a random city that is incredibly heavily inspired by a different game I responded to your tua system comment in a different thread, it is not untouched by mankind in the slightest I think this game is far to similar to dark sector to not think that they really wanted to make another dark sector game, but that’s just speculation for sure I love DE and think they’ve built an incredible universe, but they have a ton of loose ends, and this might be a start of another one, especially since this update doesn’t seem to have that Warframe feel, besides for the gameplay
I'm a new player who actually got interested in warframe because of 1999. I spent years passing off on this game because I thought it was just another f2p cash grab. Anyways, 1999 looks amazing to me, the aesthetics, the atmosphere, the characters... It really reminds me of the golden age of gaming in mid 2000s. don't know what to expect from the story tho, because Whispers in the wall were a complete let down for me and the whole quest was gay as fuck. 1999 looks more metal and manly already so I'm pretty optimistic.
@@kookthekid8338 So do I, but it's probably gonna be a while, since I need to finish Duviri first and that prime resurgence event is tickeling my monkey brain...
@ if you want to paint what I said in an untrue light because you disagree that’s on you! I don’t understand this need to just say the points don’t exist when they clearly do, maybe because you can’t argue against them? I’m not really sure. But I really hope you have a good day! No hard feelings for not understanding the video🙂 and I hope you continue to enjoy and support Warframe! Whether I like the direction they’re taking or not, I want the game to continue to do well so we can all continue to enjoy it
So I'm typing up this comment right after I just finished the quest for 1999 and I feel like you've missed one of the biggest reason why we go back there in the first place. Along with that IT ISN'T TIME TRAVEL, instead it's just a pocket reality or something similar to duviri, I can maybe understand some of the anger cause where not focusing on what the corpus, grineer or other big bads in the origin system are doing, but let me point out that the indefference/Man in the Wall/Wally has been the big bad for probably a while? I mean you have an entity from the void that wanting to consume all of reality and you don't think that the big elephent in the room? I'd will say there are problems in the origin system like Parvos granum or the sister worm trying to revive the grineer queen, or Hunhound who just rotting away really... I'm gonna split these three issues about the origin system into there own segments but I want to explain the problems and why we might not be facing them now. I want to start backwards with Hunhound the leader of nothing. Hunhound has been trapped in a prison on Uranus for *decades* leaving him with time to reflect and try to fix what little he has left since he does have nothing. The stalker is gone choosing to take care of his child, his daughter no longer loves him, and any work or power he once held in tau is probably gone do to Erra taking control. The only thing he has left ironically is the Tenno once enemy now just annoyance to be tolerated. So for Hunhound he doesn't really have anything he can do, I mean he could try to free himself and return to tau but he doesn't know what going on anymore. The grineer queens - while the worm is trying to get enough kuva to bring back her dead sister she has to deal with two issues. First being the tenno who are still technically trying to stop her from collect kuva which is more of a minor inconvenience but the real problem comes from finding a body. The queen is dead and they can't use a grineer clone since they are far to gone, everyone else is a human who also probably wouldn't survive the resurrection process, the infested are a no go since that just a hive mind made up of everything... and trying to get their hands on a tenno is most likely impossible. So can the queen be resurrected, that probably a yes they probably have enough kuva but what they currently lack is a body to put the queen back into. The corpus - While Parvos granum is trying to take control of the corpus and lead it in a new direction. I wouldn't say that a terrible thing, while the corpus are bad I would have to point to the corruption of their core ideas and values. Those ideas that Pravos wants to bring back and mold, is this a bad thing? Maybe it is but the corpus are already a problem so why not see if he can make any change for the better? Also that guy you mentioned who was a corpus head Frohd Bek is probably dead? I mean in the assassination mission for Ambulas we send a bunch of those rigged to blow his ship. Now he could have escaped but I'm pretty sure that a very slim chance so unless DE does say something it's a mystery. I wanted to make a fourth point about Tau but as most will point out I feel like there not much to talk about since we still don't know anything. So instead of that let's point to darksector and DE, what they wanted to do *originally* was warframe. So a gotta ask the question is it wrong to take inspirtation from your past work to put into what you currently love making? I feel like you got a lot of anger and frustration but it's either really missguided? I don't know what to say, do hope you make more of what you love doing but this wasn't a good video.
I appreciate your comment, but I think you missed the point of my video by looking at your first paragraph. I understand the Man in the Wall is the big bad, he is one of the biggest issues and villains in the game right now, I’m questioning the decision to make you got into the past in a different dimension, somewhere that doesn’t look like it belongs in Warframe, and the inclusion of a dating sim, while ignoring the original system you’ve created. Why wouldn’t we confront Wally in the void we know, or bring back tower keys or something. Why is going back to some random destination in 1999 the answer?? Point being, DE could tell us that Wally was in a Chucky Cheese and that we need to defend ourselves from horror animatronics to defeat him, and you’re argument could still defend that, which I don’t think is a good thing. For all three of your other points, about hunhow, the elder Queen and Parvos, I don’t understand them? You’re saying they’re not important because nothings happening with them right now, and I mean yeah, that’s my problem? Things won’t happen in the game unless DE codes them in and gives solutions, so I’m confused by why you’re saying nothing is developing in those stories. And I mean some are going on 7 years without being updated, which is more than half the time Warframe has existed. You said the queens haven’t found a body, I agree, how have they not? Grineer have killed and captured Tenno before. Hunhow lost everything, but he also thought he already lost everything when initially fighting the Tenno with stalker. Sure he could off himself, but I think it’d make more sense for him to try to make it back home or something. The Parvos take over seems pretty pressing to me, because I mean it’s actively happening I think, or suppose to be. I believe frohd Bek has dialogue yelling to eject part of his ship, which could mean he lived or not. Regardless of the outcome, I think it’s weird that we haven’t seen the most powerful corpus in the game, or at least who was the most powerful corpus in the game. In all I respect your opinion, and I’m happy you’re enjoy the update. Obviously I’m in the minority, and since I do like Warframe, I’m happy it seems to be doing well, even if it isn’t something I particularly like! However, I think saying my dislike is misguided is just incorrect, when I feel like I laid out my issues with the story pretty well.
@@kookthekid8338 Hey wanting to shoot you back a comment to apologize. My original comment was anger pointed back at anger and I really shouldn't do that. I want to say sorry for the original comment. Honestly I don't know what to really say since this has recently came out, so we're all kinda in new territory with stuff that still going on, that hasn't been concluded which is leaving us with baggage. They want to currently probably focus on the Tenno vs Wally but also develop us as a character? I don't really know what all to say. Sorry for leaving a angry comment on your vid.
@@cooldudeninja0219 No apology needed at all. When disagreeing with someone it's absolutely normal to get a little bit emotional, like how I was in this video, and even a little bit in my response to you! No hard feelings at all, and I appreciate your comment and insight on your thoughts regarding the new update!
These and many others are the same reasons why I quit Warframe altogether 6 years ago. Here's a few more grievances: -more lore on Unum. An Orokin tower made of flesh from which Kuva is presumably harvested is a HUGE deal, but apart from a brief Unum cameo in New War, I haven't seen anything related to Unum. -Arbiters of Hexis and Steel Meridian quests. All other original factions have quests to go with them, many of which also reward a unique Warframe blueprint. These two never got the same kind of attention, which is a pity because the Arbiters seem really interesting. -the submerged Corpus orb spider in Fortuna. Last I played, that fight was not implemented. -the Wolf of Saturn. And other Nightwave quests in general. -that dude with the Zariman mindscape and the horses -why does the Infested strain in Orokin derelicts look different from the one in other parts of the Origin System? Is that just what an Infested growth looks like as it ages? It was never said. -how does Helminth fit into the Infested hive mind? Is it an extension of them or against them? Also, only reason why I don't mention the Man in the Wall is because it seems like DE are actively doing something with him now, but who knows how long it'll be before we hear more about that. Also, much like you hinted at, it seems like the New War quest was really just a very ceremonious farewell to everything Sentient-related. All the cool, terrifying Sentient characters came to an abrupt stop after that. I remember when I first played Natah what impact Hunhow's appearance left. It was ancient, eldritch, horrifying - it was perfect. Hunhow WAS the Sentient; all the Sentient enemies, even the scouts on Uranus, were extensions of him - an overbearing presence, a godlike machine at the bottom of an ocean planet. Now, reduced to a fool in the New War; the moment it said "Wait!" as the Tenno turned its back on him, I felt like that was no longer the Hunhow from the Natah questline, but something dilluted into a stereotypical side character in someone else's story. Erra also, except he didn't even have the time to leave his mark between the Prologue and the end of the New War, where he was similarly reduced to a fool. It's sad, it's really sad.
I agree with a lot of this in all honesty, however, a few things have been mentioned. There is a corpus orb spider fight now, and they added that in 2019. There's still no good faction quest really for steel or arbiters, the tower is still pretty unimportant, I'm not sure if anyone really like duiviri and the Zariman really and they're both still kinda messy in my opinion. They explain away the infested as different strains that do different things, and I don't believe they've addressed the helminth. But yeah, I didn't talk about the sentients nearly as much as I should of, but, my feelings are nearly the exact same that you've written out here!
@@kookthekid8338 I'm not talking about the two orb spider fights that are in the game right now, with the one that adapts to damage that's a pain to fight, and the one that rewards Hildryn blueprints and it's actually a pretty good boss fight. There was a third orb spider submerged in a lake somewhere towards the edge of the map, which had been hinted at for a long time to be a future boss fight. Last I played in 2020 (my mistake for saying 6 years, I stopped playing shortly after heart of deimos came out) that orb spider was still dormant. I vaguely remember there being a fourth orb spider as well, but I might be wrong about that. I still like to keep track of Warframe lore, though! I think it's a nice universe with some really cool ideas and some good quests on occasion. I liked some of the gameplay elements too, such as the mechanics of some weapons (I remember having a lot of fun with glaives and Dual Toxocyst in particular), although the gradual discouragement from a stealth-ish game style to nuke-everything through the ability sets of latest warframes and squad dynamics in general did not sit well with me. I would've liked more abilities like Ash's Teleport or Limbo's time control as opposed to abilities that clear an entire room of enemies with one click. Overall, the devs just gradually stopped adding options for stealth gameplay and, although I still love the worldbuilding, the questlines gradually lost their quality (only New War can hold a candle to Second Dream and War Within, and solely on the gameplay front - not so much on the story front. Not to mention Chains of Harrow, which was simply phenomenal but unfortunately one of a kind). I'll always think fondly of the good times I had with this game because they were truly expertly done, but overall it's just not for me anymore :(
to my memory the tau system is only able to be accessed by the void and the last time the orokin/their citizens tried...well...we know how that happened right? and the current story arc we are on is the man in the wall arc
The Tau system is a real place, it's just so far away that the only way for them to get there as to use the void. I assume the sentients can get there because they're robots and don't have to worry about having a lifespan.
That is true! I think it’d be awesome if entrati went to tua to escape the man in the wall by some sort of void magic rather than 1999. Time travel just seems way further away than tua
@@kookthekid8338 only issue was that 1999 was according to entrati the one place that the man in the wall can't follow even though even in game there are doubts that was a 100% guaranteed
personally i think 1999 is gonna be a Yoko Taro-like update (anyone that played and understands the entire lore of Drakengard/Nier should know the "madness") and i don't think it will be that horrible, since it will probably be extra fluff relating to the man in the wall shenanigans. I do understand your worries tho, since the lack of updates/tactical alerts/operation events also leave me starved of things to do and learn in-game
@@kookthekid8338 its a fantasy jrpg series where in the end a portal to earth opens and a calamity basically wipes out humanity. thousands of years later Nier Replicant takes place, thousands of years after that Nier Automata takes place. the lore is absurd and the guy who wrote it said in an interview that he doesn't write games for people to pick apart the lore, he writes to make an emotional impact.
We should make *BORIL* the face of that part of the community that wants to see the older characters being used, like frondh bek, darvo, maroo, Doktor tengus, *THE RAVENOUS GOLDEN MAW* (why do they always have to be ravenous???)and so on. We should make memes of it like: Protagonist: the tenno Antagonist: the man in the wall Gonist: *BORIL* The indifference thinking its the strongest force in existance. *BORIL* watching in the distance: *STARES SUPERIORESLY* who would win in a fight?: *BORIL* ? OR *THE RAVENOUS GOLDEN MAW* ?(why do they always have to be ravenous???)
I have had a similar thought process myself. The focus on Albretch Entrati after The New War felt like a branch off from where we should have naturally gone. Imagine eating a sandwich and then jumping to desert before finishing the sandwich.
the indifference has been a major part of the story since it's introduction. the sentients and the new war aftermath can wait, dealing with albrecht's plan is far more important right now considering how it's changing our reality as we speak. cant really deal with the sentients when techrot has began to emerge into the present timeline, something happening only because of albrecht's time fuckery
I love the themes and aesthetic of Warframe 1999, and the story looks like it could be pretty interesting, but it definitely seems out of place. DE really has a thing gor introducing story points and then dropping them entirely. The Stalker, Parvos Granum, the Queens and the Grineer as a whole, Frohd Beck, Divuri, the Operator and Drifter dynamic, Tau, Hunhow, and that's just the stuff off the top of my head. Honestly that's one of the reasons I think The New War kinda sucked. I know a lot of people liked it, but it was just all over the place. TLDR; 10/10 video, hail the Almighty Kook.
Loved the video, I can tell you did the most you could while trying to beat the clock. I agree that the sudden Time Travel plot is completely out of nowhere and doesn't have a lot of build up to it until about Whispers in the Wall so it's a bit of a system shock. But having had the chance to play it now I will say that it wasn't quite completely disconnected from the main story. It is playing more into the 'Void War Saga' that DE is setting up now. I do wish they would go back to flesh out other characters like Pazuul, Khal, or Parvos because there is something there but I also feel like they'll have their time eventually. As for Hunhow I don't think it's completely out of the realm he's had a change of heart. It is a little inconsistent to say he's had a change of heart in two quests while also saying the Worm Queen has been collecting kuva for seven years. Plus with how long Hunhow has been alive he had several lifetimes to stew on his choices so the change of heart to save his daughter isn't unheard of. Same with trying to coax Stalker who's been stewing on his own hate for probably just as long. For saying that it's basically Dark Sector, even for comedic effect, does miss the mark a bit. There are a lot of nods to dark sector like with the type of gas being very similarly named and being in a tense European climate but I think it's just different enough that it has its own identity with the Dark Sector we got being much more generic since it wasn't what they wanted to make. The Romance system and the Boyband were a wild addition and was probably more just added cause 'it's cool' but I don't think they detract from the experience either. The romance system is optional so if you don't want to interact with you that is completely okay and I will say that gives it a bit more of a pass. The boyband part up for debate. I'm into it but I get that not everyone will be. I do think the infested Liches being themed like that is an interesting take. And despite Tencent being seen as less of a great parent (company) they are alright with letting their studios so what they want as long as they make their money. Even if DE did want to make a sequel to Dark Sector, which was already a game that was made by caving to publisher demands, I don't think Tencent would deny them while allowing Soul Frame to be made since that's a similar risk. I will cut myself off there as this comment is getting too long as it is. I do think that you did jump the gun a bit on dissing the update just on appearances the day right before the update. I would like to hear what your opinions on it are now that you've tried it and if anything has changed. Either way, I hope you can find some enjoyment and have a good hunt Tenno!
Thank you for this comment! I love this sort of discourse on these videos and seeing everybody's opinions on my update, and the content in Warframe, comments like yours are literally the reason I made a UA-cam channel. For your first point I agree with mostly, I think I have a harder stance on it being disconnected, but other than that I agree for the most part. For your second point, while I do agree to a certain extent for him to have a change of heart, the change of heart I'd expect would honestly make him more aggressive. I mean after being locked up for centuries, the first thing he does is try to kill the Tenno. That would be the time for him to change and reflect in my opinion, but he didn't, and since then, the Tenno really haven't done anything for him that would cause a change in mind in a way that makes sense in my personal opinion. I think that the romance system is bad because I just truly don't believe it fits in Warframe, same with the boy band, but obviously people can have different takes on this. Tencent is a pretty terrible company, probably one of the worst in the gaming industry in all honesty, so I really expect them to do anything they want, including forcing certain games to be made, or not to be made, depending on what they think is best. I think they would approve something like soul frame, because of the success of Warframe, and name recognition will help soul frame get popular, so it makes a lot of sense to let it be made in my opinion, even by a more strict parent company. When it comes to releasing this right before the update was released, that was pure bad timing. Obviously, I think a lot of people thought I was trying to rage bait right before the update came out. But I had the thumbnail, script, title, and most the video figured out and done several days ago before the game rewards announcement. I understand that releasing this literally hours before the update came out is bad optics, and I really think it would of been much better received if it was a week or so before, but I mean I never expected them to announce the update came out the next day. I'm actually planning to stream the game live here soon, right after I finish my finals for some classes. Thank you so much for your comment!
In response to Hunhow going for the throat on the Tenno once he was awoken, I think that was more of the fact that he was (as I understand it from the Natah quest) asleep for all those centuries and more than likely thought it was still the Old War similar to how Loid did. Once he was awoken he did attempt to reach out in a few different ways to extend his power, most notably in Second Dream and Octavia's Anthem. I do think he had every intention to kill the Tenno up until the time of the New War. We don't know how long Narmer/Ballas was in control of the Origin system for and he more than likely had time to ruminate on what he was really fighting for. Then once the Drifter arrived just trying to get help to save Lotus because she chose the Tenno herself, he had that push to flip that leaf. I can agree that the Romance System is very odd to add to a game like Warframe while the boy band could be 50/50 (still hoping for the Khal and Clem shawzin duet). But in defense of it, while being an odd choice, isn't just a surface level thing so they did put effort into it for those who want to get into it. I agree that Tencent is not a great company but they don't really step in until things are falling apart. I think giving Soulframe a pass isn't right only because the only people who will really know about it right now are for the most part Warframe players. Yes it has been covered by other creators but the majority of their play testers currently are Warframe players and Soulframe is a completely different feeling comparatively so it is still a risk. While Dark Sector was not well received on launch it did get at least decent reviews and sales for the times. Still I don't think DE would want to do a Dark Sector 2 but are willing to look at it with fondness for what it means for the company. Makes sense to have everything already done basically a few days before hand but the timing for release is still very humorous. I think more of cautious optimism would have been seen a little clearer than more theatrics for emphasis would have come off better but that's just me!
I'm not sure if you've watched the video before commenting this, but I feel the reasons I state I believe it's the worst update are pretty understandable. This video is completely focused on my problems with the story of 1999, which have been set up already, meaning you don't need the update out to actually comment on what the direction the story is heading in. I understand why you'd comment this though before watching lmao, because it does seem weird that I've put my thoughts into the update before it came out, but this isn't a review of the update really, just me saying why I think the lore and story direction it's bringing is terrible, which by extension makes it the worst update to me, regardless of how fun it may be to actually play.
It's also possible that it's not "our" 1999, so much as the 1999 of the Orokin calendar. It's obvious they're banking on the links to our own, aesthetically, but there's Orokin script everywhere in the demo. While I'm not exactly *hopeful* that it'll be the case, I think it could theoretically work if Hollvania is basically just a slum on Earth and set far more recently than we expect from the theming. It doesn't solve the most glaring issues, but it at least mitigates one of them. [EDIT]: ...Also I really, *really* hope that the romance they're throwing in is either between the protoframes or *at least* 100%, completely, *entirely* limited to the Drifter. I really don't want to see the alternative and I do not think said alternative should even be allowed into the game.
They mentioned going to tau but don’t forget the only way to do that is taking the old ship and going through the void and who is in the void the man in the wall if you don’t defeat him, he won’t let you go. You have an obstacle that needs to be dealt with there’s a lot of story, beats that they still have just let them cook and watch it all fall in place and leave the dating sim alone I think it would be nice for the drifter to actually have somebody after they’ve been alone for so long plus they are Proto frames so the drift actually has a useful companion when you think about it
My problem with Wally here, is the excuses he can create, and I’m seeing it in a lot of comments here as well that are using him to defend 1999. You could literally make the story take place in my backyard, and say it’s because that’s where Wally is at, and with some writing tweaks it’d make sense with the argument you’re presenting. I personally just don’t think it feels like Warframe, and I don’t like the inclusion of a dating sim. However, if you disagree and are enjoying it, I’m glad for you! I respect that, and I understand I’m in the minority here
I came here to say I watched this video before TGA and I understood your sentiment. I still felt like it was objectively a bad video in tone and pacing, but I understood the sentiment. I got the vibes you were trying to mimick certain styles of videomaking essays. After playing The Hex quest I gotta say... You really" missed the mark. There is nothing even remotely reminiscing of dark sector in the first quest and you can get the idea right from the beginning, and it's so good. I mean, maybe you can argue "member berries" in the ending, I dont think so You could also argue "Isekai" but that would be ignorant if you've known what warframe was. It was nothing and it became something beautiful, that was kind of low profile (arguably bad) for a while, and then it picked up steam again and has been going since. I think it was beautifully crafted again, as I trusted DE to do after Reb. They did it again. Sorry that you expected something different, but it is what it is. I hope you can still enjoy the game and new content. Cheers!
I appreciate this comment, and while I do disagree with a lot of it, I appreciate the sentiment and what you're bringing up. I obviously like my own video, and you don't, not really much to argue with there lmao, however, when it comes to mimicking I just have to say there's zero chance I did, even unintentionally, and it's because how this video was crafted. This video wasn't meant to be a negative video at all, but just a video talking about 1999 lore and theory crafting what might be happening and how we got there, and while researching it I became extremely disheartened, because I legitimately didn't like the way the game was going. This led to me becoming more and more negative in a lore and theory script, which led to me just making a video about my grievances. Maybe the reason you feel like the tone or pacing is off is because parts of the script from what was meant to be a lore video are still intact, but I personally thought and still think it added to the emotions present in the video, and helped better get my point across. Because this didn't start out as a video meant to bash DE, but slowly turned into it because of my real feelings about the update. I actually have a title and parts of a thumbnail made for the original lore video, before I changed what I wanted this video to be. I pride myself on making good accurate lore videos, and would never want my own negative emotions to feed into them and make them biased or insulting in any way possible, which is why I plan to cover the lore of this game as I normally do. When it comes to being like Dark Sector, I want to make it clear, that I didn't mean it would be the same story beat by story beat. While I know I did say copy and pasted in script, I think that's a pretty clear exaggeration that was meant to be funny, especially how I said it. While this video was meant to be my real feelings, which it is and I still agree with my points, it is also meant to be entertaining. When it comes to being like Dark Sector, I meant more the vibes, location, enemy designs, and so on, which I still believe are incredibly similar in 1999. To hammer home this point of them being similar even more so, Ford herself literally states that 1999 was inspired by and wouldn't exist without Dark Sector, and that it was uniquely Warframe. This to me, sounds like an update added to Warframe that completely tried to recreate the theme of Dark Sector inside Warframe, and I still think that's exactly what they did. You can disagree with that, but I mean the lead dev herself even said so. I really love Warframe, and will play this update, and the next one, and the next one, and the next one, and I'll more than likely continue making content on the game for years to come! However, just because I love Warframe, I don't have to like every single thing they do, and that's what I stated here in this video. I hope that you continue enjoying your warframe grind, and cheers!
@kookthekid8338 fair enough. Maybe I was a little too aggressive with the "objectively bad" part especially cause it's so subjective. I like the gameplay better than the lore so I shouldn't be the one arguing in its favor. I personally enjoyed the path the story is taking (dark sector inspiration or not). It's unfortunately impossible to avoid convoluted plots when you have "paradoxes" and "dreams" and multiple dimensions and realities involved. Anyway sorry if I came out as aggressive. I did watch the entire video and it had good points, your comment gave me more insight on what might have happened. I'll be sure to check other lore videos as it's something I'm not extremely familiar with. Have a good one man!
@@wellincolin no you’re fine, I don’t think you were aggressive at all! You’re allowed to dislike the video lmao, and having people say they dislike the tone or pacing is feedback I can look into even if I don’t always agree with it! I of course would encourage you to check out my lore videos lmao😂 this is actually the first like written negative video I’ve ever made about the story in Warframe, so pretty much all the lore videos are just nerding out over things I like. But thanks for your comment, and I hope you continue enjoying the game! While I still really don’t like the story of the update, even less so now to be completely honest, I do like some of the designs, and the game seemed to remember it was rated M with some of the things that happen late in the mission, which I do appreciate! And of course, the update played smooth and the gameplay was good as always.
Whether are not you are the youtuber that apparently has praised DE more than any other youtuber is up for the debate but you do seem to be in the minority when it comes to 1999. I'm very excited for the new update and I'm sure the steam charts will show it when it drops and that doesn't include console players. You're also speculating far too much. I also quit this game for a few years but when I returned which I believe was under Reb's command along with Pablo reworks, I've been enjoying the game a lot more. I have faith that the update won't disappoint and have no reason to think otherwise. I don't expect perfect, it will never be perfect, nothing will be.
I am in the minority here, and that’s fine! I don’t expect everyone in the world to mostly agree with me every time I say something. However, even if I am in the minority, I should still be allowed to state my opinion. I even mentioned in this video I think the update will do extremely well with the community! So even if the update does well and tons of people like, I can still stand by my own personal opinion and disagree. My biggest issue as I’m sure you saw in the video, is that I really don’t like where this is taking the story, and how it’s being implemented, meaning how we got here. This isn’t me saying there’s a small issue and overreacting as your final sentence implies, talking about how things are never perfect, I’m fundamentally saying I really don’t like where the story is going, and to me it’s very very far from perfect. I don’t believe I’m just talking about one small unimportant thing.
clearly you aren’t invested in the story hunhow was LITERALLY WAITING TO DIE in the new war and why would he EVER go back to tau????? his daughter is currently fighting the murmur his son is being controlled by pazuul and his “wife” IS JUST A BUNCH OF SCRAPS NOW
I’m not invested in the story because I think hunhow wanting to go back to get reinforcements, or at the very least complete some sort of action, one that could help his son even, is something that should be done? You think him just offing himself is the right answer to that story? I mean it could be if done right, I don’t know if I like it personally because suicide has touched everyone and I’m not sure how that’d go over with the audience, but it could be written in a way to make sense.
@@kookthekid8338 literally not what i was saying? hunhow was waiting for the new war to end he was fully contempt with never leaving if the war didn't end. hunhow also has no reason to try and help erra since he is ALREADY DEAD removing the archon shard will only stop pazuul temporarily as soon as he gets another shard he can revive himself
Hey clown! I don’t know if you watched the video or not before posting this comment, but this is about the story direction that has been set up for 1999, meaning that I already formed an opinion on 1999 based on its lead up and what they told us before it came out. I talk about in the video how I don’t like the direction of 1999, and hurts the actual story of the game. And you don’t need the update to be out to hold those opinions. This video wasn’t suppose to come out hours before the update, but since DE just announced the update today tomorrow, I had to get the video out. Of course you can for sure disagree with what I say here, but I think I had reasonable points that I stand by!
@@JedahDemon If you liked the story in the update, that's perfectly fine, but not everybody has to like it, I don't have positive feelings towards this update, but it's perfectly fine if you liked it yourself.
@kookthekid8338 some of the info you show isn't even accurate though. Like when you talk about Dark Sector the footage you show (and the info you provide outside of the initial synopsis) aren't even from Dark Sector, it's from an unreleased game that turned into Warframe. If you watch the full video for the footage you provided that game takes place in space on a ship that looks identical to the Zariman, Dark Sector takes place on Earth. So not only is the video rage bait, but it's not then accurate rage bait.
This is a comment responding to someone completely different, but, it applies to the same point you're bringing up. The footage was concept art FOR DARK SECTOR. The comment was slightly rude because they used some very inappropriate language with me, so don't think that's directed at you, however, your point is equally as bad. You said the content was from the original dark sector showcase, and I used it as evidence of dark sector inspiring 1999 and being similar. I mean, do I need to explain why you're wrong here? You aren't even countering my point, something that was made for Dark Sector, and has a Dark sector label on it, looks incredibly similar to 1999 and its themes. If this trailer wasn't labeled Dark Sector, was made for Dark Sector, in the theme of Dark Sector, and made to showcase Dark Sector, you'd have a point. Unfortunately for you, it does do all of those things. I didn't get a single thing wrong here, you're just blatantly wrong and are trying to claim concept work for Dark Sector isn't related to Dark Sector somehow?
I always thought of the Orokin as our descendants, just very far in the future, the idea of going back in time but to a parallel universe seems legit and I don't think it's out of place or order. You do bring up some good points though.
Hey man that's a perfectly legit opinion! I believe the Orokin are humans descendants as well, just I'm not sure if this is a parallel universe or just a completely different one. My current theory is that the universe 1999 takes place in is unrelated to our current universe, with completely different developments history and all of that, which would hopefully help explain away the paradox of Ballas creating warframes while there's proto frames in 1999. So basically what you said just not parallel I think
@@kookthekid8338 It is an alternate universe in some way, they mentioned this in one of the devstreams or devshorts a while ago - all the cars have 3 headlights - they mentioned it around the same time :)
Another thing is how the games management changed, the story used to be following many many leads but now is trying to focus on one story line. The update being like dark sector isnt a problem, making dark sector canon to warframe would make the game more confusing but DE wanted to explore a world similar to dark sector so they made a way to both have their cake and eat it
It’s not! Why do you think it’s low effort rage bait? Even if you disagree with my points, I think it’s impossible to just say I didn’t make any or that I didn’t create a defensible opinion.
@@kookthekid8338 I never said I disagreed with any of your points. But you're pharasing it as the worst update ever before the update even launches. It's one thing to say you're disapointed in certain aspects or dislike the direction the game's going, but you have no idea how good or bad the update is actually going to be. For all you know the update makes everything in the Platinum shop free, removes the grind for resources, and lets the Lotus pleasure you orally. It's not likely, but you have no idea because it hasn't even come out yet. And yet, it's "the worst update ever" because that will get people to click the video. You're baiting. You're entitled to your opinions, some of which I may or may not disagree with, but that doesn't mean this isn't just a ragebait to pull in people who were excited about yesterday's game awards anouncemnet.
More a complaint about story direction than the 1999 update. Since the story has been focused on the void, there have been many loose ends of the grineer corpus narmer and sentients is a big problem with the entire games direction and i dont think it can really be fixed given how these factions arent to interlinked. Fair point though.
3:12 ... inspired doesn't mean "literally". Like dude yeah it's got dark sector inspiration its their history. In no way does that mean it has to be the same thing as dark sector. And having played dark sector, it's not the same. Inspired, yes, same, no.
I do know what inspired means lmao. The point is it’s incredibly similar, are you disagreeing with that? I’m kind of confused. I don’t think it’s literally dark sector, just heavily inspired with a warframe twist like the dev lead herself said
Is not that bad. Also, the Man in The Wall has become the mail villian of the game, it's natural to leave the other villians in the back burner while Wally's arc develops. I find the Hex Syndicate rewards pretty onderwhelming though. I think the main issue with 99 is that DE spend a lot of time hyping the update, it kind of underdelivered, but i'm sure they'll polish it with time.
The promotional material used for this update was pretty insane, I was honestly surprised to how short the quest was, since how much promotion went into it!
while personally i like where the story is currently going, it would be nice to see some of the lines resolved. I am a freak that actually liked payday 2's story so i may be in the minority
i wholeheartedly think anyone agreeing with this video is incapable of analysing the bigger picture of this questline and what it means for almost every aspect of the story thus far
The dark sector hate seems excessive... using already established stuff on the backlog and amending it for future work, when it's likely their own work isn't really that bad a thing. Ideally I'd only give someone shit for such things if they do like blizzard did and blow the entire backlog for a few throwaway patches within a year or two.
Yeah I agree with this, I was just being funny there with throwing things at dark sector since it did underperform, however, the dark sector hate in relevance to how they’re claiming 1999 wouldn’t even exist without it, is kind of concerning to me, which is why I did talk about it so much
I absolutely agree with that, but you also have to acknowledge how much more they do that in 1999, to the point they’re saying that 1999 wouldn’t exist if they didn’t look back and get inspired by dark sector. They said 1999 was dark sector inspired but uniquely warframe. So because of what we’re seeing, and because what DE has said, I think it’s a fair take to say they’re taking way more from dark sector than maybe since Warframe was created.
damn this video like dislike ratio insane lol i mean this what happens when you shit on an update hours before it drops and turns out to be a hit i played it and personally i enjoyed the new bit of story they gave us
Yeah this is by far more worst dislike to like ration! However, I’m really happy by the conversations it’s generating in my comments here, and besides for one or two comments everyone has had respectful takes, which is impressive! I don’t like the story the update is heading in, and I think it’s goofy, and I personally think I did a great job explaining my gripes in this video, I stand by it completely. This video was meant to release sometime before the update actually dropped, however DE jumpscared me by announcing the update was coming today, so I had to push out the video hours before the update. No one knew it was dropping today, at least I didn’t, which led to my video dropping when it did.
Personally I like that DE has the balls to change they're game completely while still implementing it into they're current game. Yea I'm not a fan of every mechanic thats added, but its always fresh and doesn't ruin the rest of the game. (side note no mentions of time travel until now? Sure maybe not to this extent but Protea exists and Rhino literally stops time by stomping hard enough.) Also lol yea the dating sim is just player service for the more... dedicated players for lack of a better term. As for story I dont get people's drive to direct something that isn't theirs. Its like telling an author how to write their book. Not to mention while this game has some amazing story and lore its not very set in stone and there's so many open ended aspects that give the devs the ability to go in any direction, for better or worse XD. At the end of the day gameplay is what matters to me. The lore is fun to learn about but Fun/gameplay > lore details.
I respect your opinion, but I disagree, I obviously do care about the lore, and disagree with your take that I shouldn’t be able to comment on my thoughts on the story direction because I’m not the one making the game. I’m a fan, and someone who enjoys the game a lot, so the idea that I shouldn’t be allowed to talk about what I disagree with or like about the game because I’m not directing it is really strange. If I was somehow forcing DE to change their story with this video, you’d have a point, but I can’t, I’m just explaining why I don’t like the direction they’re going in, but obviously DE can make the game however they want, I don’t own it. People have public opinions over things they can’t control and don’t own everyday, I mean almost 99% of the internet is that. Anyway, as I said in the video, DE always delivers with gameplay and that was never a concern! Glad you’re enjoying the update
Alright so, just because Warframe has a lot of evil guys and important monsters to go after DE gotta stop every, find a way for us to get rid of those before we find more enemies? Well between killing a bunch of armies of enemies i rather focus on the huge apocalypse that's literally knocking on our door to enter in our reality and well pretty much everything in it, including us, yeahhhh great idea dude
I don’t think you understood the main issue this video is talking about, which is completely okay, so I’ll explain it here for you. My issue with 1999, which I think I lay out very explicitly in the second part of my video regarding the dark sector. Is that it inherently does not feel like Warframe. The culture, setting and everything doesn’t fit within the universe. They’re excuse for this, is that it’s a different dimension where the man in the wall may be stopped, but I personally think that’s lazy writing, because that would allow you to say the man in the wall is in five nights at Freddy’s and that’s where we have to go next. I want 1999 to connect to the origin system and the void in more ways than just, Wally is here. A better example of connecting something is the Plains of eidolon. The sentient corpses present make sense regarding pre-created lore to the update, the Grineer presence makes sense, and it’s communicated to us before we enter the plains there are instances of groups holding out against the Grineer. When it comes to 1999 no pre established lore fits in correctly to make it make sense, besides just the very most recent updates with entrati. When I mention what we could of gotten, I’m talking about why moving the story away from the origin universe is such a large problem. There’s so many unanswered questions, and instead of being in a position to answer them, where just in a completely different universe that’s more inspired by a different game than warframe itself according to the developers themselves.
I wholeheartedly disagree this is rage bait, and if you watch the video I think you’ll find defensible points, even if you don’t agree with them. However, giving something you think is just rage bait a 4/10 is pretty good, so thanks I think lmao🙂
I don’t like how the warframe 1999 hollvaina is only like levels and not a whole fully map you can freely explore and also the dating thing was cringe and feel like fan service it’s just weird
As a player been playing this for the last 8 years i can say yeah.we don't have anything significant for the old boss.after granum void was found we were so excited to see what happen to corpus .U know what happen ; Nothing at all since protea released. Like story wise doesn't hve any changes since then. Grineer had it worst so many great character none got any updates. So i understand his points and yeah they r legit. But hey I am gonna enjoy 1999 nonetheless. Cheers!
I agree with every thing you said, I don't think 1999 is a good update and all of that, but I'm still going to play and probably have a good time while I do.
Ik people like the gameplay direction under Reb, with it expanding central gameplay and endgame pursuits, but the story direction has been… off. Things like Luas prey, Komei update, and Dante inbound are thrown into the game without any quest or introduction for new players, making it confusing when Drusus for example just *appears* and starts babbling at you as if you know who he is. And Jade Shadows… look, I can tolerate some uncomfortability, but a _birthing mini game_ for a _”pregnant” Warframe_ is just objectively weirdo stuff. Leave that to the sad basement gremlins who draw pervy fan art. Which is a shame because the storyline of stalkers origins and motivation is so excellent. And while Whispers was an excellent update, the quest basically went nowhere and had an unsatisfying ending that fell flat. Point is, I have yet to see the new updates since the leadership changes stick the landing on the story quests, and the *out there* nature of 99’ worries me. We’ll see tomorrow I guess.
I agree with a lot of this, gameplay is as great as always, but the set up for story has been somewhat questionable for awhile, even though I have enjoyed a lot of it, none of it is ever cleaned up and finished pretty much
I generally somewhat agree with your opinion. Although I did enjoy the quest, the characters, and finally getting some clue on what the indifference motives despite how vague it was there are multiple different things in the main story that DE constantly overlook such as the Tau system or the amalgams or conflicts with the Grineer and corpus which they possibly might get to at some point. It also seems like every quest the Tenno power fluctuate from weak to strong and strong too weak to some degree making them constantly inconsistent. One example is how warframes can pick up and throw around grineer, but for some reason struggled to lift up a truck even with the aid of another person. There are still a large number of things that DE should go over and clear up before trying to add more confusion or abstract things to the game's story. I would have preferred if we actually time traveled back to the orokin era so we can actually see what the hierarchy and culture was like and so we can fight orokin era grineer and real Dax soldiers. Still, I did enjoy the quest and too be fair they at least made it seem like the Drifter was going to focus on conflicts in the year 1999 while the Tenno stayed back and focus on conflicts in the present origin system. I also heard they were going to be making more stuff regarding Narmer iirc.
First of all, the game has never played better! The QoL and mechanical updates all feel great and not a moment too late. I would recommend anyone looking for a good, rewarding game to try Warframe. While the game has never played better, with care apparent in every mechanic, I can't help but see the novice-level writing decisions. I think the story has fallen off since Whispers. We had a Harry Potter dungeon in Whispers (with those derivative themes doubled down on in Dante) and now a Jojo's references in the Doctor Who-tinted dilemma that 1999 is shaping up to be, with only the lightest of lip service being paid to lore and phenomenon present in Duviri's loop mention in the latest/last 1999 trailer. Along with this very fantasy-genre-fiction-flavored standard set in mining the past, I can't help be think of the old adage that "great artist steal." I think, if that is the case here, that Warframe writers would benefit from referencing great sci-fi works. The Operator suits and Motes are clearly inspired by 1982 Dune and we even get to ride Worms in Duviri. It's a fantasy trope, though, to look to the past for solutions because all of the great power is old and all of the terrible evil is ancient. We have to uncover and address the long-held secret Heart of Deimos to begin Whispers. But as we, the Tenno, grapple with some more time loop nonsense, we're divorced from the consequences of our actions by not being able to understand or interact with what a post-Narmer origin system looks like. Like, man, did we or did we not just kill our handler and caretaker? I do think the new PvP mode, though, because it does speak to the real conflict I think would be present in the Tenno faction. SURELY, there would be Tenno that oppose the Lotus' guidance on principle. Some people may be sympathetic to Hunhow and Stalker. Some Tenno may even feel drawn to the Zariman. Other Tenno may be uninterested in maintaining the balance of the Origin system and would seek to completely wipe out an enemy faction's presence on a planet. Imagine if we could liberate every Grineer node on Earth in response to the story's actions?! What if we could foster enclaves of liberated Grineer that feel the way Kahl does? What if we could rid Earth of the Queen's influence entirely?! This is already longer than I intended it to be, but I do get the frustration expressed in this video. I don't know that I agree with every criticism laid or that it was put out before engaging with 1999, but I think it's perfectly fair to be apprehensive about it and to speak tot hat.
Honestly I think this was a great comment, and I agree with a lot of what you said. When it comes to your final bit about putting it out before engaging with 1999, it’s because this video was made awhile ago, and was going to be released this same exact away, just days before the update actually came out so there wouldn’t be confusion. Unfortunately for me, DE pulled the, this update drops tomorrow, which made me hurry up and finish the video editing and release this video before the update came out, because this video was made to talk about the direction of the story, and why I really don’t like it, regardless of how fun 1999 might be to play.
@@kookthekid8338 Yeah, it really just a cluster of bad timing and charged feelings. The charge that 1999 is a spiritual successor to Dark Sector as the main component of your video is sound, I think. I'm sure we'll see parallels to Technocyte (beyond Cyte-09's name), enferon, alongside the already present Soviet Block-inspired setting, and more all point to Dark Sector. And I don't think it's interesting. I'll probably long in after the weekend and some patches smooth things out to see for firsthand. If you really want to get red-string conspiratorial about it, the Dark Sector game was free late in November. It's all connected!
Ill be in the minority here, i watched the video and i actually agree. Ive been playing warframe for a long long time and so far they seem to have a problem with tying up loose ends. Thank you for tempering my interest with a little sobriety. Again im sure 1999 will be fun, but its just another story we'll probably never see closed.
I’m glad some people agree with me! I think from a gameplay and features standpoint the update will at worst be solid as Warframe updates usually are, and probably really good, but the story and lore issues have gotten completely out of hand here in my opinion, and have to be talked about, at least I think so
Another problem is that the title is fully ragebait, your video is not about 1999 its about how DE is making a mistake with the games story and its direction. Fair points though
I get the gipes you have, alot of the unished content i feel is what keeps me coming back to warframe tho. Like once we get to Tau what are we gonna do. And i bet DE is asking the same question. Give them time, play other game, this update is good and alot of these loose ends i feel will be resolved soon. We just need to get to Tau tenno.
Lmao I’m glad I brought you joy! And while I was yapping, everyone single video anyone makes could be classified as yapping. I stand by my points and don’t like where the story is heading though!
i agree with you started to learn more about lore and everything even started to write grineer story hoping it will be noticed but man a fucking motorcycle and romance Why didnt they add how all begin with orokin war,how grineer advanced they're cloning,or the thing you said we never saw dr tengus ,what is happening with kuva queen but no we can kiss nyx and slide attack with motorcycle ofc this my opinion feel free to disagree or agree
Definitely not a lie, I stand by everything I said in this video, and after playing all the way through the update I agree with it even more. The story is really weak, and going in a bad direction, in my personal opinion.
I don’t even know what to think about that lmao😭 that’s such an insane thing to include to me, though I think the dating sim is even more out of place personally
DE made Kook mad 😔 Btw the real reason they are doing yhis update is to sell "human" skin customization in the future and to add a romance system for the g00ns. But at least there's a Trintiy update coming 👀
This video is not attention baiting in the sense I presented something I don’t agree with, because I stand by every single take in this video 100%. However, this is UA-cam, and the point of every single video everyone posts is to get attention, so in essence I guess you’re right?
I agree with you an i played warframe since it come out with a cousin once it was on switch I was existed to get it I was hoping you could always play as the characters in 1999 in the bounty missions which kind of got me disappointed.
That’s my biggest problem here, I think the update will ultimately be fun like all Warframe content is, but the issues with the story need to be talked about, and this update takes this game in a direction to where it looks like no holes will be patched and no stories will be finished
What makes you say this? I feel like I made defensible points throughout this entire video, you can disagree with them, but to just call it rage bait is wrong.
This video was made, and rushed to be dropped before 1999 officially released, so if I missed some knowledge that's why, but as of now, which is still before the update released, I think most of my points and problems with the story of the update will hold up. Regardless, I'm excited to check the update out, and I'll probably be streaming, hope you all enjoy the video, thank you so much for the support, lots of love
Kook, The Fanatic
Not even out yet 💀
It's talking about the story relevance and all of that, this script was written several days ago, so I hurried up and finished the editing since some points or thoughts might be different once the actual update releases
@@kookthekid8338 that...just makes it SO much worse
maybe actually play the update before you go making a video like this
@@dragonriderabens9761 it doesn’t at all, and after playing it’s held up extremely well. I legit couldn’t stand by my points more lmao. The updated didn’t need to be out to understand the direction the story was going in, unless you literally just never played story quests in Warframe or looked at a single promotional piece they showed themselves of 1999. If you couldn’t tell what the setting was going to be, the sort of story, and theme and culture of what they were releasing I don’t know how. Did you look at the marketing?
WF player here with 7000 hrs, I recommend approaching warframe in the lens of just like a Saturday cartoon. They release a new Episode/ Update that introduces new lore or mechanics in the game with a faction of your choosing. After that, they move on to the next episode with a different focus/ topic. They add on to the past updates while moving things forward in big new updates, "content Islands" in the game. All of this Small past and Big new updates add up in the end and slowly builds/ fleshes out the world of the game/ series.
(Edit: Also "Terrible Update" is such a charged word to use, I know your emotional invested to the game but Its not even out yet💀)
I might be insane, but I thought I just responded to a different comment by you lmao.
But, I heavily disagree with your take here, as someone who's also played Warframe for a considerable amount of time, from it's release to today, I think it's done a fairly good job of releasing updates and supplying them with decent lore within the universe. Most of the content fixes they usually come back to work on involve the game mechanics, or new items and things along those lines, things that I'm not mentioning in this video, or care about at large.
In the last comment I believe you posted, but once again I could be going insane, I disagreed with your content islands take. In the past, everything that has been released inside Warframe has made sense within the Warframe universe itself, I don't think there's a single update you could point too that teleports you too a completely different scenery, timeframe, and objective like 1999 has presented itself to do. Releasing a feature like the Plains of Eidilon and then updating later is not a "content island" in my opinion, because it fits in perfect with the world of the game. However, creating an entire new universe that is completely different, would classify as one in my opinion. The features they've released before, have felt connected in universe and not like an entirely separate thing which is required, in my opinion, for a content island to exist.
That's also where my bigger issues comes into play, it's not only that they're ignoring story lines they've already ignored for literal years, it's because I think 1999 doesn't look like Warframe at all, and doesn't make sense in the game universe. They literally pulled, "here's a magically teleporter that takes you anywhere, so now everything makes sense lore wise lmao" and I hate that. Every update they've released so far HAD to make sense within the established universe with the rules they set for themselves, but with this update, they've removed those rules in the laziest way possible, which is of course time travel bullcrap.
When it comes to calling it a terrible update, or worst warframe update, I'm already completely confident in that, because one of the most important things in Warframe for me is the story, and I already tell that this update is taking the story in a direction that I hate, while not tying up loose ends or expanding on the universe they've already created. The update will have good gameplay, and I look forward to the new PvPvE mode, however, I'm confident in my words because I don't like a single piece of the lore surrounding it.
politely, this video is shit.
Dark sector wasn't just warframe beta, it's a game in it's own. A game that has a lot of similarities to warframe but clearly isn't parallel NOR related in any way. Also... the flow of the lore isn't being disturbed. We are chasing the man in the wall, who has been being teased for a very long time. Him, the remaining grineer queen and the tau system are probably the last big long-term story telling beats DE has before the quests truly start to become unrelated to the modern story. Please please please don't lie and act like time travel is "new" to warframe in regards to the most built up villain (he's been being built up since like Harrow's release btw, so at least 7 years ago) just because YOU don't understand the lore does not mean the new update is interfering with the modern storyline of warframe. Acting like time travel, in a game with space ninjas who use planetary-scale magic, is the most unbelievable thing is so disingenuous. I'm honestly surprised to hear that you claim to praise the dev team at all, because you must have played the game with your eyes closed and ears blocked.
The boy band stuff is awesome. If you're still scared of DE taking risks and trying to be transformative in their games, stop playing now. Warframe will never be your typical game, they will always be attempting to change the way you can fall in love with warframe again and again.
Best comment I've read in a Long Time
Politely, this comment is shit. Jkjk, I appreciate your opinion, but disagree with nearly everything you just said.
One, when did I ever, and I mean ever, claim dark sector was a beta? I mentioned multiple times how it is its own standalone game, with its own lore, that doesn’t connect to warframe at all. So why would you even say that in your comment?
Two, I hate this argument about chasing the man in the wall, because it allows people using it to ignore everything else in the game, and the rules within the Warframe universe. If they wrote that you had to travel to a giant piece of cheese to confront the man in the wall, your argument would back that up, which is something I just can’t agree with.
Please please please don’t pretend like time travel is a reoccurring thing! We’ve had the man in the wall showing us our past, and taking us there in some sort of dream state, and then we’ve had the drifted and operator collide in a paradox thing. But to imply that traveling back in time in a fucking Time Machine, and having to become the fucking time patrol from dragonball Xenoverse has been hinted at and made sense is incredibly disingenuous and just wrong. I’m being led to believe YOU don’t understand the story in the slightest here, or at least have an incredibly different perception of it.
You’re rude in your comment, and in my opinion, your points aren’t great and are easily refutable! Every time I stream this game, or release a video about a piece of lore, I’m usually defending the dev steam and some way, and complimenting their work, if you think that’s just a false claim I’m sure you could easily go watch some of my content and see that.
I’m glad you enjoy the boy band stuff, and I hope you enjoy everything else as well. But I enjoy Warframe, and you’re making this argument they’ve always taken risks and all of this, but everything up to this point has made complete since, well almost everything, within the bounds of the universe they’ve created. I disagree that this does. You could include a boy band and a dating sim if you want, but I don’t think this was the right way to do it, and in all honesty, I personally don’t like that in Warframe. Which is my opinion.
@@kookthekid8338 the update was awesome btw
We have been fighting corpus and grinner for 11 years now, they trying to make something new while continuing the void war arc which is a universe level conflict cause yknow eldritch void being? That seems much more important to deal with then the putrid worm queen and whatever granum is doing. The whole point of tau was the main goal of the orokin and with ballas's death the orokin are gone. The whole point of this new arc is leveling up the scales of the conflict to space ninjas fighting petty factions to fighting a universal threat.
The issue my video makes with this isn’t about the threat itself, but how it’s executed and where it’s executed. I don’t like how the setting resembles a different game more than Warframe. With this type of reasoning, we could put the man in the wall inside fnaf and it’d make sense, and I think that’s really stupid. I don’t hate the man in the wall or going after him, I hate how it’s executed which I make clear in the video.
Secondly, saying petty faction conflict is insane, when the entirety of the Warframe universe takes place in the origin system, except the Tua system. Implying that it’s petty conflict, and not the destruction of everything known in the universe is just nonsensical and incorrect. The Tenno were revived because the Grineer were fully conquering the entire system, and genociding every non Grineer. That’s petty?? I just have to disagree with you there, but I respect your opinion if you don’t think that’s a big deal, or a threat to the entire Warframe universe.
it's not even out yet why the hate 😂
It’s about the direction the story is taking!
Still hating lol
Honestly the lose ends are one of my favourite part of Warframe. Being able to theorize and speculate about more of whats out there is my favourite thing when it comes to any media.
I would definitely love more optional content or events that expand on the lore, but 1999 is main story content, and that is focused on Entrati and the man in the wall currently.
Did it have to involve time travel? No. Dose it give us an opertunity to tackle more scifi tropes in DEs unique ways, new environments and character to interact with? Yes.
Overrall i agree with what you are saying, and the arguments over what DE is prioritising are extremely valid, but i dont think that makes 1999 a bad update itself, just a disappointment in resouce allocation.
(All just my opinion, feel free to diagree i might change my mind completly when the update comes out we'll see)
I appreciate your comment Jay, and I'm happy that you're looking forward to the update! I personally agree to a certain extent that loose ends are cool, but I think there's a little bit too many for my liking present in the Origin System already, and like I say I'd like to get them covered before moving a game in a completely different direction, but I respect it if you disagree with that.
When it comes to saying it's a bad update, I solely mean when it comes to the story that has been presented so far. I'm sure it'll run and play great, I just think it's my personal least favorite update, because it feels the least like Warframe to me, and like it's moving the story in a direction that'll leave a lot of things unanswered. Also I do think that the dating sim thing is pretty weird, and that it's a poor use of resources.
The whole point of Tau is that it is untouched by man and is a paradise, we probably will never see it and don’t need to.
I completely disagree, it’s told it may be a paradise, but there’s a reason sentiments came back, why did they attempt to conquer the origin system if tua was perfect?
Untouched by man is something I just disagree with, the sentients are made by orokin, or men in this case, and the sentients touched all over the tua system.
I think it’s important we learn what’s going on there, why ballas wanted to see it, and why the sentients left it, at least a large number.
I disagree with your take, but I can understand wanting it to remain mysterious
@@kookthekid8338they attempted to conquer the origin system in order to ensure the orokin never went to Tau
I don’t know if I fully agree with that either, instead of staying where they know the orokin could never reach them, they do the one thing that could insanely hurt them by invading? I think maybe tua wasn’t that perfect
@@kookthekid8338I think it was a question of technological difference, even because the Orokins did not have advanced technology to reach Tau and terraform it from there, that's why only the Sentients went to Tau, it was then that the Sentients realized that the Orokins were going to destroy the Tau system and then returned to the system of origin and try to extirpate humanity, but still I think that the capital of the Sentients is still in Tau and only a part returned.
"Orokin could never reach Tau", "Orokin didn't have advanced tech to reach Tau and terraform it". Guys, try to read the lore more often instead of headcanon everything. Who create the Sentient and terraform the entire solar system in the first place? Who is the one sending the Sentient to Tau?
Missing the fact that if the indifference exists as a threat, the Tenno and by extension all organics in the origin system can’t void jump to tau, without risking another zarimin incident. Entrati went back to 1999 to try to escape it but it followed him, so we also have to follow him.
Yes I understand that, the problem is with this defense of the story update, in my opinion, is that you could literally say Entrati had to travel back to anywhere to do this, which causes this writing to be incredibly lazy in my opinion. They could say you have to go to FNAFs Pizzeria in order to escape from Wally, and with what you just wrote, it’d be making sense in your mind. If that’s your take I understand, but I personally disagree with it, because of how easily it can become goofy, and because I believe there should be rules you have to follow once you create them in your own universe, and I just don’t think this is the right way to expand them when it comes to warframe.
I massively disagree with this video, genuinely just so crazy
I'd love to hear what parts you disagree with!
@@kookthekid8338
With respect as I really like your videos, I will explain why I disagree
Time and the manipulation of it has been an established theme of Warframe since the new war, and the void has always been established to exist outside of time
You say Grineer and Corpus were sidelined for more important things like sentients and orokin but now it is bad? But the void is the most relevant and important part of Warframe and is the main focus right now.
Tau being another system to explore would lowkey defeat the point of it being untouched by man, and the point to me is that we never see it because it is too beautiful to be tainted by us
I seriously doubt they wanted to just make another Dark Sector, I think they just wanted to take inspiration since they were going back in time to this time period which lines up with Dark Sector, because if their corporate overlords wanted them to “keep milking” solely they wouldn’t be making soulframe
Finally, I just have faith in DE, their storytelling is impeccable, and they constantly innovate and try new things. Maybe it isn’t always traditional, but it always tries to deliver ambition and that’s what I love.
At the end of the day, this is still Warframe and while the other storylines definitely need continuance, Warframe 1999 is looking stellar
@@Garbear0119I agree with everything you said
Can you please show when time manipulation was a huge theme? There was converging worlds in the void, but I’d HEAVILY disagree that it was time travel and not just a different universal collusion.
The void is more important, which is why I would like it to actually be explored, and not a random city that is incredibly heavily inspired by a different game
I responded to your tua system comment in a different thread, it is not untouched by mankind in the slightest
I think this game is far to similar to dark sector to not think that they really wanted to make another dark sector game, but that’s just speculation for sure
I love DE and think they’ve built an incredible universe, but they have a ton of loose ends, and this might be a start of another one, especially since this update doesn’t seem to have that Warframe feel, besides for the gameplay
@@kookthekid8338 you do realise all of duviry was time manipulation. In the story you literally keep resetting the loop for thousands of years
I'm a new player who actually got interested in warframe because of 1999. I spent years passing off on this game because I thought it was just another f2p cash grab. Anyways, 1999 looks amazing to me, the aesthetics, the atmosphere, the characters... It really reminds me of the golden age of gaming in mid 2000s. don't know what to expect from the story tho, because Whispers in the wall were a complete let down for me and the whole quest was gay as fuck. 1999 looks more metal and manly already so I'm pretty optimistic.
I’m glad Warframe is still getting new players after all this time, and I do hope you enjoy the update, regardless of my opinions on it!
@@kookthekid8338 So do I, but it's probably gonna be a while, since I need to finish Duviri first and that prime resurgence event is tickeling my monkey brain...
bro started yapping and i started sleeping
I hope you slept well!
@@kookthekid8338 i did ! btw you should delete this vid lmao
@ I stand by every point in it, so I won’t be doing that🙂 not everybody is gonna like where the story is heading, and I don’t, but I’m glad if you do!
@@kookthekid8338 nah dude, you're just yapping about false ideas and points you made up :)
@ if you want to paint what I said in an untrue light because you disagree that’s on you! I don’t understand this need to just say the points don’t exist when they clearly do, maybe because you can’t argue against them? I’m not really sure. But I really hope you have a good day! No hard feelings for not understanding the video🙂 and I hope you continue to enjoy and support Warframe! Whether I like the direction they’re taking or not, I want the game to continue to do well so we can all continue to enjoy it
So I'm typing up this comment right after I just finished the quest for 1999 and I feel like you've missed one of the biggest reason why we go back there in the first place. Along with that IT ISN'T TIME TRAVEL, instead it's just a pocket reality or something similar to duviri, I can maybe understand some of the anger cause where not focusing on what the corpus, grineer or other big bads in the origin system are doing, but let me point out that the indefference/Man in the Wall/Wally has been the big bad for probably a while? I mean you have an entity from the void that wanting to consume all of reality and you don't think that the big elephent in the room? I'd will say there are problems in the origin system like Parvos granum or the sister worm trying to revive the grineer queen, or Hunhound who just rotting away really...
I'm gonna split these three issues about the origin system into there own segments but I want to explain the problems and why we might not be facing them now. I want to start backwards with Hunhound the leader of nothing. Hunhound has been trapped in a prison on Uranus for *decades* leaving him with time to reflect and try to fix what little he has left since he does have nothing. The stalker is gone choosing to take care of his child, his daughter no longer loves him, and any work or power he once held in tau is probably gone do to Erra taking control. The only thing he has left ironically is the Tenno once enemy now just annoyance to be tolerated. So for Hunhound he doesn't really have anything he can do, I mean he could try to free himself and return to tau but he doesn't know what going on anymore.
The grineer queens - while the worm is trying to get enough kuva to bring back her dead sister she has to deal with two issues. First being the tenno who are still technically trying to stop her from collect kuva which is more of a minor inconvenience but the real problem comes from finding a body. The queen is dead and they can't use a grineer clone since they are far to gone, everyone else is a human who also probably wouldn't survive the resurrection process, the infested are a no go since that just a hive mind made up of everything... and trying to get their hands on a tenno is most likely impossible. So can the queen be resurrected, that probably a yes they probably have enough kuva but what they currently lack is a body to put the queen back into.
The corpus - While Parvos granum is trying to take control of the corpus and lead it in a new direction. I wouldn't say that a terrible thing, while the corpus are bad I would have to point to the corruption of their core ideas and values. Those ideas that Pravos wants to bring back and mold, is this a bad thing? Maybe it is but the corpus are already a problem so why not see if he can make any change for the better? Also that guy you mentioned who was a corpus head Frohd Bek is probably dead? I mean in the assassination mission for Ambulas we send a bunch of those rigged to blow his ship. Now he could have escaped but I'm pretty sure that a very slim chance so unless DE does say something it's a mystery.
I wanted to make a fourth point about Tau but as most will point out I feel like there not much to talk about since we still don't know anything. So instead of that let's point to darksector and DE, what they wanted to do *originally* was warframe. So a gotta ask the question is it wrong to take inspirtation from your past work to put into what you currently love making? I feel like you got a lot of anger and frustration but it's either really missguided? I don't know what to say, do hope you make more of what you love doing but this wasn't a good video.
I appreciate your comment, but I think you missed the point of my video by looking at your first paragraph. I understand the Man in the Wall is the big bad, he is one of the biggest issues and villains in the game right now, I’m questioning the decision to make you got into the past in a different dimension, somewhere that doesn’t look like it belongs in Warframe, and the inclusion of a dating sim, while ignoring the original system you’ve created. Why wouldn’t we confront Wally in the void we know, or bring back tower keys or something. Why is going back to some random destination in 1999 the answer?? Point being, DE could tell us that Wally was in a Chucky Cheese and that we need to defend ourselves from horror animatronics to defeat him, and you’re argument could still defend that, which I don’t think is a good thing.
For all three of your other points, about hunhow, the elder Queen and Parvos, I don’t understand them? You’re saying they’re not important because nothings happening with them right now, and I mean yeah, that’s my problem? Things won’t happen in the game unless DE codes them in and gives solutions, so I’m confused by why you’re saying nothing is developing in those stories. And I mean some are going on 7 years without being updated, which is more than half the time Warframe has existed. You said the queens haven’t found a body, I agree, how have they not? Grineer have killed and captured Tenno before. Hunhow lost everything, but he also thought he already lost everything when initially fighting the Tenno with stalker. Sure he could off himself, but I think it’d make more sense for him to try to make it back home or something. The Parvos take over seems pretty pressing to me, because I mean it’s actively happening I think, or suppose to be.
I believe frohd Bek has dialogue yelling to eject part of his ship, which could mean he lived or not. Regardless of the outcome, I think it’s weird that we haven’t seen the most powerful corpus in the game, or at least who was the most powerful corpus in the game.
In all I respect your opinion, and I’m happy you’re enjoy the update. Obviously I’m in the minority, and since I do like Warframe, I’m happy it seems to be doing well, even if it isn’t something I particularly like! However, I think saying my dislike is misguided is just incorrect, when I feel like I laid out my issues with the story pretty well.
@@kookthekid8338 Hey wanting to shoot you back a comment to apologize. My original comment was anger pointed back at anger and I really shouldn't do that. I want to say sorry for the original comment. Honestly I don't know what to really say since this has recently came out, so we're all kinda in new territory with stuff that still going on, that hasn't been concluded which is leaving us with baggage. They want to currently probably focus on the Tenno vs Wally but also develop us as a character? I don't really know what all to say. Sorry for leaving a angry comment on your vid.
@@cooldudeninja0219 No apology needed at all. When disagreeing with someone it's absolutely normal to get a little bit emotional, like how I was in this video, and even a little bit in my response to you! No hard feelings at all, and I appreciate your comment and insight on your thoughts regarding the new update!
These and many others are the same reasons why I quit Warframe altogether 6 years ago. Here's a few more grievances:
-more lore on Unum. An Orokin tower made of flesh from which Kuva is presumably harvested is a HUGE deal, but apart from a brief Unum cameo in New War, I haven't seen anything related to Unum.
-Arbiters of Hexis and Steel Meridian quests. All other original factions have quests to go with them, many of which also reward a unique Warframe blueprint. These two never got the same kind of attention, which is a pity because the Arbiters seem really interesting.
-the submerged Corpus orb spider in Fortuna. Last I played, that fight was not implemented.
-the Wolf of Saturn. And other Nightwave quests in general.
-that dude with the Zariman mindscape and the horses
-why does the Infested strain in Orokin derelicts look different from the one in other parts of the Origin System? Is that just what an Infested growth looks like as it ages? It was never said.
-how does Helminth fit into the Infested hive mind? Is it an extension of them or against them?
Also, only reason why I don't mention the Man in the Wall is because it seems like DE are actively doing something with him now, but who knows how long it'll be before we hear more about that.
Also, much like you hinted at, it seems like the New War quest was really just a very ceremonious farewell to everything Sentient-related. All the cool, terrifying Sentient characters came to an abrupt stop after that. I remember when I first played Natah what impact Hunhow's appearance left. It was ancient, eldritch, horrifying - it was perfect. Hunhow WAS the Sentient; all the Sentient enemies, even the scouts on Uranus, were extensions of him - an overbearing presence, a godlike machine at the bottom of an ocean planet. Now, reduced to a fool in the New War; the moment it said "Wait!" as the Tenno turned its back on him, I felt like that was no longer the Hunhow from the Natah questline, but something dilluted into a stereotypical side character in someone else's story. Erra also, except he didn't even have the time to leave his mark between the Prologue and the end of the New War, where he was similarly reduced to a fool. It's sad, it's really sad.
I agree with a lot of this in all honesty, however, a few things have been mentioned. There is a corpus orb spider fight now, and they added that in 2019. There's still no good faction quest really for steel or arbiters, the tower is still pretty unimportant, I'm not sure if anyone really like duiviri and the Zariman really and they're both still kinda messy in my opinion. They explain away the infested as different strains that do different things, and I don't believe they've addressed the helminth.
But yeah, I didn't talk about the sentients nearly as much as I should of, but, my feelings are nearly the exact same that you've written out here!
@@kookthekid8338 I'm not talking about the two orb spider fights that are in the game right now, with the one that adapts to damage that's a pain to fight, and the one that rewards Hildryn blueprints and it's actually a pretty good boss fight. There was a third orb spider submerged in a lake somewhere towards the edge of the map, which had been hinted at for a long time to be a future boss fight. Last I played in 2020 (my mistake for saying 6 years, I stopped playing shortly after heart of deimos came out) that orb spider was still dormant. I vaguely remember there being a fourth orb spider as well, but I might be wrong about that.
I still like to keep track of Warframe lore, though! I think it's a nice universe with some really cool ideas and some good quests on occasion. I liked some of the gameplay elements too, such as the mechanics of some weapons (I remember having a lot of fun with glaives and Dual Toxocyst in particular), although the gradual discouragement from a stealth-ish game style to nuke-everything through the ability sets of latest warframes and squad dynamics in general did not sit well with me. I would've liked more abilities like Ash's Teleport or Limbo's time control as opposed to abilities that clear an entire room of enemies with one click. Overall, the devs just gradually stopped adding options for stealth gameplay and, although I still love the worldbuilding, the questlines gradually lost their quality (only New War can hold a candle to Second Dream and War Within, and solely on the gameplay front - not so much on the story front. Not to mention Chains of Harrow, which was simply phenomenal but unfortunately one of a kind). I'll always think fondly of the good times I had with this game because they were truly expertly done, but overall it's just not for me anymore :(
to my memory the tau system is only able to be accessed by the void and the last time the orokin/their citizens tried...well...we know how that happened right? and the current story arc we are on is the man in the wall arc
The sentients got there without using the void!
The Tau system is a real place, it's just so far away that the only way for them to get there as to use the void. I assume the sentients can get there because they're robots and don't have to worry about having a lifespan.
That is true! I think it’d be awesome if entrati went to tua to escape the man in the wall by some sort of void magic rather than 1999. Time travel just seems way further away than tua
@@kookthekid8338 only issue was that 1999 was according to entrati the one place that the man in the wall can't follow even though even in game there are doubts that was a 100% guaranteed
Yeah I think that’s goofy personally, that the one place he can’t go is a dark sector look alike lmao
personally i think 1999 is gonna be a Yoko Taro-like update (anyone that played and understands the entire lore of Drakengard/Nier should know the "madness") and i don't think it will be that horrible, since it will probably be extra fluff relating to the man in the wall shenanigans. I do understand your worries tho, since the lack of updates/tactical alerts/operation events also leave me starved of things to do and learn in-game
What’s drakengard? I might be brain farting but it sounds interesting
@@kookthekid8338 its a fantasy jrpg series where in the end a portal to earth opens and a calamity basically wipes out humanity. thousands of years later Nier Replicant takes place, thousands of years after that Nier Automata takes place. the lore is absurd and the guy who wrote it said in an interview that he doesn't write games for people to pick apart the lore, he writes to make an emotional impact.
We should make *BORIL* the face of that part of the community that wants to see the older characters being used, like frondh bek, darvo, maroo, Doktor tengus, *THE RAVENOUS GOLDEN MAW* (why do they always have to be ravenous???)and so on. We should make memes of it like:
Protagonist: the tenno
Antagonist: the man in the wall
Gonist: *BORIL*
The indifference thinking its the strongest force in existance. *BORIL* watching in the distance: *STARES SUPERIORESLY*
who would win in a fight?: *BORIL* ? OR *THE RAVENOUS GOLDEN MAW* ?(why do they always have to be ravenous???)
The game isn’t over I’m sure in the next couple of updates they will address all of these storylines.
I hope so!
I have had a similar thought process myself. The focus on Albretch Entrati after The New War felt like a branch off from where we should have naturally gone.
Imagine eating a sandwich and then jumping to desert before finishing the sandwich.
the indifference has been a major part of the story since it's introduction. the sentients and the new war aftermath can wait, dealing with albrecht's plan is far more important right now considering how it's changing our reality as we speak. cant really deal with the sentients when techrot has began to emerge into the present timeline, something happening only because of albrecht's time fuckery
It’s felt pretty unnatural to me as well which is part of the reason I ended up making this video
I love the themes and aesthetic of Warframe 1999, and the story looks like it could be pretty interesting, but it definitely seems out of place.
DE really has a thing gor introducing story points and then dropping them entirely. The Stalker, Parvos Granum, the Queens and the Grineer as a whole, Frohd Beck, Divuri, the Operator and Drifter dynamic, Tau, Hunhow, and that's just the stuff off the top of my head.
Honestly that's one of the reasons I think The New War kinda sucked. I know a lot of people liked it, but it was just all over the place.
TLDR; 10/10 video, hail the Almighty Kook.
W Einz lmao😂 I honestly agree, I like how it looks, I just don’t like how it looks in Warframe!
Loved the video, I can tell you did the most you could while trying to beat the clock.
I agree that the sudden Time Travel plot is completely out of nowhere and doesn't have a lot of build up to it until about Whispers in the Wall so it's a bit of a system shock. But having had the chance to play it now I will say that it wasn't quite completely disconnected from the main story. It is playing more into the 'Void War Saga' that DE is setting up now. I do wish they would go back to flesh out other characters like Pazuul, Khal, or Parvos because there is something there but I also feel like they'll have their time eventually.
As for Hunhow I don't think it's completely out of the realm he's had a change of heart. It is a little inconsistent to say he's had a change of heart in two quests while also saying the Worm Queen has been collecting kuva for seven years. Plus with how long Hunhow has been alive he had several lifetimes to stew on his choices so the change of heart to save his daughter isn't unheard of. Same with trying to coax Stalker who's been stewing on his own hate for probably just as long.
For saying that it's basically Dark Sector, even for comedic effect, does miss the mark a bit. There are a lot of nods to dark sector like with the type of gas being very similarly named and being in a tense European climate but I think it's just different enough that it has its own identity with the Dark Sector we got being much more generic since it wasn't what they wanted to make.
The Romance system and the Boyband were a wild addition and was probably more just added cause 'it's cool' but I don't think they detract from the experience either. The romance system is optional so if you don't want to interact with you that is completely okay and I will say that gives it a bit more of a pass. The boyband part up for debate. I'm into it but I get that not everyone will be. I do think the infested Liches being themed like that is an interesting take.
And despite Tencent being seen as less of a great parent (company) they are alright with letting their studios so what they want as long as they make their money. Even if DE did want to make a sequel to Dark Sector, which was already a game that was made by caving to publisher demands, I don't think Tencent would deny them while allowing Soul Frame to be made since that's a similar risk.
I will cut myself off there as this comment is getting too long as it is. I do think that you did jump the gun a bit on dissing the update just on appearances the day right before the update. I would like to hear what your opinions on it are now that you've tried it and if anything has changed. Either way, I hope you can find some enjoyment and have a good hunt Tenno!
Thank you for this comment! I love this sort of discourse on these videos and seeing everybody's opinions on my update, and the content in Warframe, comments like yours are literally the reason I made a UA-cam channel.
For your first point I agree with mostly, I think I have a harder stance on it being disconnected, but other than that I agree for the most part.
For your second point, while I do agree to a certain extent for him to have a change of heart, the change of heart I'd expect would honestly make him more aggressive. I mean after being locked up for centuries, the first thing he does is try to kill the Tenno. That would be the time for him to change and reflect in my opinion, but he didn't, and since then, the Tenno really haven't done anything for him that would cause a change in mind in a way that makes sense in my personal opinion.
I think that the romance system is bad because I just truly don't believe it fits in Warframe, same with the boy band, but obviously people can have different takes on this.
Tencent is a pretty terrible company, probably one of the worst in the gaming industry in all honesty, so I really expect them to do anything they want, including forcing certain games to be made, or not to be made, depending on what they think is best. I think they would approve something like soul frame, because of the success of Warframe, and name recognition will help soul frame get popular, so it makes a lot of sense to let it be made in my opinion, even by a more strict parent company.
When it comes to releasing this right before the update was released, that was pure bad timing. Obviously, I think a lot of people thought I was trying to rage bait right before the update came out. But I had the thumbnail, script, title, and most the video figured out and done several days ago before the game rewards announcement. I understand that releasing this literally hours before the update came out is bad optics, and I really think it would of been much better received if it was a week or so before, but I mean I never expected them to announce the update came out the next day. I'm actually planning to stream the game live here soon, right after I finish my finals for some classes.
Thank you so much for your comment!
In response to Hunhow going for the throat on the Tenno once he was awoken, I think that was more of the fact that he was (as I understand it from the Natah quest) asleep for all those centuries and more than likely thought it was still the Old War similar to how Loid did. Once he was awoken he did attempt to reach out in a few different ways to extend his power, most notably in Second Dream and Octavia's Anthem. I do think he had every intention to kill the Tenno up until the time of the New War. We don't know how long Narmer/Ballas was in control of the Origin system for and he more than likely had time to ruminate on what he was really fighting for. Then once the Drifter arrived just trying to get help to save Lotus because she chose the Tenno herself, he had that push to flip that leaf.
I can agree that the Romance System is very odd to add to a game like Warframe while the boy band could be 50/50 (still hoping for the Khal and Clem shawzin duet). But in defense of it, while being an odd choice, isn't just a surface level thing so they did put effort into it for those who want to get into it.
I agree that Tencent is not a great company but they don't really step in until things are falling apart. I think giving Soulframe a pass isn't right only because the only people who will really know about it right now are for the most part Warframe players. Yes it has been covered by other creators but the majority of their play testers currently are Warframe players and Soulframe is a completely different feeling comparatively so it is still a risk. While Dark Sector was not well received on launch it did get at least decent reviews and sales for the times. Still I don't think DE would want to do a Dark Sector 2 but are willing to look at it with fondness for what it means for the company.
Makes sense to have everything already done basically a few days before hand but the timing for release is still very humorous. I think more of cautious optimism would have been seen a little clearer than more theatrics for emphasis would have come off better but that's just me!
I don't mind all I really care about is being able to use my Operator I don't want to use be another character I like my custom character.
W custom character enjoyer
@kookthekid8338 It's good bro I like it so far it's kinda epic 😅
It's not out
I'm not sure if you've watched the video before commenting this, but I feel the reasons I state I believe it's the worst update are pretty understandable. This video is completely focused on my problems with the story of 1999, which have been set up already, meaning you don't need the update out to actually comment on what the direction the story is heading in. I understand why you'd comment this though before watching lmao, because it does seem weird that I've put my thoughts into the update before it came out, but this isn't a review of the update really, just me saying why I think the lore and story direction it's bringing is terrible, which by extension makes it the worst update to me, regardless of how fun it may be to actually play.
@kookthekid8338 well said
It's also possible that it's not "our" 1999, so much as the 1999 of the Orokin calendar. It's obvious they're banking on the links to our own, aesthetically, but there's Orokin script everywhere in the demo. While I'm not exactly *hopeful* that it'll be the case, I think it could theoretically work if Hollvania is basically just a slum on Earth and set far more recently than we expect from the theming. It doesn't solve the most glaring issues, but it at least mitigates one of them.
[EDIT]: ...Also I really, *really* hope that the romance they're throwing in is either between the protoframes or *at least* 100%, completely, *entirely* limited to the Drifter. I really don't want to see the alternative and I do not think said alternative should even be allowed into the game.
I think that’s definitely the right assumption, like it’s a different timeline, and on your second thing, I doubt they’d ever do that
They confirmed the romance is between the Drifter x Protoframes.
@@goldedrag111 Oh, thank everything holy... And holey, for that matter.
I don't think any company would ever willingly take on that deserved PR disaster lmao, that'd be absolutely insane fr
Just having Dark Sector connected to Warframe would make more sense.
It is lore wise, it just has incredibly heavy dark sector influence!
@@kookthekid8338 Sorry I meant to say Dark Sector and not 1999.
Just connect them both instead of pussyfooting around it.
@@TheStrayHALOMAN Ohh okay I got you now lmao!
They mentioned going to tau but don’t forget the only way to do that is taking the old ship and going through the void and who is in the void the man in the wall if you don’t defeat him, he won’t let you go. You have an obstacle that needs to be dealt with there’s a lot of story, beats that they still have just let them cook and watch it all fall in place and leave the dating sim alone I think it would be nice for the drifter to actually have somebody after they’ve been alone for so long plus they are Proto frames so the drift actually has a useful companion when you think about it
My problem with Wally here, is the excuses he can create, and I’m seeing it in a lot of comments here as well that are using him to defend 1999. You could literally make the story take place in my backyard, and say it’s because that’s where Wally is at, and with some writing tweaks it’d make sense with the argument you’re presenting. I personally just don’t think it feels like Warframe, and I don’t like the inclusion of a dating sim. However, if you disagree and are enjoying it, I’m glad for you! I respect that, and I understand I’m in the minority here
I came here to say I watched this video before TGA and I understood your sentiment. I still felt like it was objectively a bad video in tone and pacing, but I understood the sentiment. I got the vibes you were trying to mimick certain styles of videomaking essays.
After playing The Hex quest I gotta say... You really" missed the mark. There is nothing even remotely reminiscing of dark sector in the first quest and you can get the idea right from the beginning, and it's so good. I mean, maybe you can argue "member berries" in the ending, I dont think so You could also argue "Isekai" but that would be ignorant if you've known what warframe was. It was nothing and it became something beautiful, that was kind of low profile (arguably bad) for a while, and then it picked up steam again and has been going since. I think it was beautifully crafted again, as I trusted DE to do after Reb. They did it again. Sorry that you expected something different, but it is what it is. I hope you can still enjoy the game and new content. Cheers!
I appreciate this comment, and while I do disagree with a lot of it, I appreciate the sentiment and what you're bringing up.
I obviously like my own video, and you don't, not really much to argue with there lmao, however, when it comes to mimicking I just have to say there's zero chance I did, even unintentionally, and it's because how this video was crafted. This video wasn't meant to be a negative video at all, but just a video talking about 1999 lore and theory crafting what might be happening and how we got there, and while researching it I became extremely disheartened, because I legitimately didn't like the way the game was going. This led to me becoming more and more negative in a lore and theory script, which led to me just making a video about my grievances. Maybe the reason you feel like the tone or pacing is off is because parts of the script from what was meant to be a lore video are still intact, but I personally thought and still think it added to the emotions present in the video, and helped better get my point across. Because this didn't start out as a video meant to bash DE, but slowly turned into it because of my real feelings about the update. I actually have a title and parts of a thumbnail made for the original lore video, before I changed what I wanted this video to be. I pride myself on making good accurate lore videos, and would never want my own negative emotions to feed into them and make them biased or insulting in any way possible, which is why I plan to cover the lore of this game as I normally do.
When it comes to being like Dark Sector, I want to make it clear, that I didn't mean it would be the same story beat by story beat. While I know I did say copy and pasted in script, I think that's a pretty clear exaggeration that was meant to be funny, especially how I said it. While this video was meant to be my real feelings, which it is and I still agree with my points, it is also meant to be entertaining. When it comes to being like Dark Sector, I meant more the vibes, location, enemy designs, and so on, which I still believe are incredibly similar in 1999. To hammer home this point of them being similar even more so, Ford herself literally states that 1999 was inspired by and wouldn't exist without Dark Sector, and that it was uniquely Warframe. This to me, sounds like an update added to Warframe that completely tried to recreate the theme of Dark Sector inside Warframe, and I still think that's exactly what they did. You can disagree with that, but I mean the lead dev herself even said so.
I really love Warframe, and will play this update, and the next one, and the next one, and the next one, and I'll more than likely continue making content on the game for years to come! However, just because I love Warframe, I don't have to like every single thing they do, and that's what I stated here in this video. I hope that you continue enjoying your warframe grind, and cheers!
@kookthekid8338 fair enough. Maybe I was a little too aggressive with the "objectively bad" part especially cause it's so subjective. I like the gameplay better than the lore so I shouldn't be the one arguing in its favor. I personally enjoyed the path the story is taking (dark sector inspiration or not). It's unfortunately impossible to avoid convoluted plots when you have "paradoxes" and "dreams" and multiple dimensions and realities involved.
Anyway sorry if I came out as aggressive. I did watch the entire video and it had good points, your comment gave me more insight on what might have happened. I'll be sure to check other lore videos as it's something I'm not extremely familiar with.
Have a good one man!
@@wellincolin no you’re fine, I don’t think you were aggressive at all! You’re allowed to dislike the video lmao, and having people say they dislike the tone or pacing is feedback I can look into even if I don’t always agree with it!
I of course would encourage you to check out my lore videos lmao😂 this is actually the first like written negative video I’ve ever made about the story in Warframe, so pretty much all the lore videos are just nerding out over things I like.
But thanks for your comment, and I hope you continue enjoying the game! While I still really don’t like the story of the update, even less so now to be completely honest, I do like some of the designs, and the game seemed to remember it was rated M with some of the things that happen late in the mission, which I do appreciate! And of course, the update played smooth and the gameplay was good as always.
Whether are not you are the youtuber that apparently has praised DE more than any other youtuber is up for the debate but you do seem to be in the minority when it comes to 1999. I'm very excited for the new update and I'm sure the steam charts will show it when it drops and that doesn't include console players. You're also speculating far too much. I also quit this game for a few years but when I returned which I believe was under Reb's command along with Pablo reworks, I've been enjoying the game a lot more. I have faith that the update won't disappoint and have no reason to think otherwise. I don't expect perfect, it will never be perfect, nothing will be.
I am in the minority here, and that’s fine! I don’t expect everyone in the world to mostly agree with me every time I say something. However, even if I am in the minority, I should still be allowed to state my opinion. I even mentioned in this video I think the update will do extremely well with the community! So even if the update does well and tons of people like, I can still stand by my own personal opinion and disagree. My biggest issue as I’m sure you saw in the video, is that I really don’t like where this is taking the story, and how it’s being implemented, meaning how we got here. This isn’t me saying there’s a small issue and overreacting as your final sentence implies, talking about how things are never perfect, I’m fundamentally saying I really don’t like where the story is going, and to me it’s very very far from perfect. I don’t believe I’m just talking about one small unimportant thing.
clearly you aren’t invested in the story hunhow was LITERALLY WAITING TO DIE in the new war and why would he EVER go back to tau????? his daughter is currently fighting the murmur his son is being controlled by pazuul and his “wife” IS JUST A BUNCH OF SCRAPS NOW
I’m not invested in the story because I think hunhow wanting to go back to get reinforcements, or at the very least complete some sort of action, one that could help his son even, is something that should be done? You think him just offing himself is the right answer to that story? I mean it could be if done right, I don’t know if I like it personally because suicide has touched everyone and I’m not sure how that’d go over with the audience, but it could be written in a way to make sense.
@@kookthekid8338 literally not what i was saying? hunhow was waiting for the new war to end he was fully contempt with never leaving if the war didn't end. hunhow also has no reason to try and help erra since he is ALREADY DEAD removing the archon shard will only stop pazuul temporarily as soon as he gets another shard he can revive himself
Kook, let it come out first, also if Halvania wih all those Embers is anything to go by, this is going to be great.
Hey clown! I don’t know if you watched the video or not before posting this comment, but this is about the story direction that has been set up for 1999, meaning that I already formed an opinion on 1999 based on its lead up and what they told us before it came out. I talk about in the video how I don’t like the direction of 1999, and hurts the actual story of the game. And you don’t need the update to be out to hold those opinions. This video wasn’t suppose to come out hours before the update, but since DE just announced the update today tomorrow, I had to get the video out. Of course you can for sure disagree with what I say here, but I think I had reasonable points that I stand by!
This video is literal rage bait.
It’s not, I stand by everything I say in this video, and after playing all the way through the update I think it aged even better
@kookthekid8338 if by better you mean like milk then I totally agree.
@@JedahDemon If you liked the story in the update, that's perfectly fine, but not everybody has to like it, I don't have positive feelings towards this update, but it's perfectly fine if you liked it yourself.
@kookthekid8338 some of the info you show isn't even accurate though. Like when you talk about Dark Sector the footage you show (and the info you provide outside of the initial synopsis) aren't even from Dark Sector, it's from an unreleased game that turned into Warframe. If you watch the full video for the footage you provided that game takes place in space on a ship that looks identical to the Zariman, Dark Sector takes place on Earth.
So not only is the video rage bait, but it's not then accurate rage bait.
This is a comment responding to someone completely different, but, it applies to the same point you're bringing up. The footage was concept art FOR DARK SECTOR. The comment was slightly rude because they used some very inappropriate language with me, so don't think that's directed at you, however, your point is equally as bad.
You said the content was from the original dark sector showcase, and I used it as evidence of dark sector inspiring 1999 and being similar. I mean, do I need to explain why you're wrong here? You aren't even countering my point, something that was made for Dark Sector, and has a Dark sector label on it, looks incredibly similar to 1999 and its themes. If this trailer wasn't labeled Dark Sector, was made for Dark Sector, in the theme of Dark Sector, and made to showcase Dark Sector, you'd have a point. Unfortunately for you, it does do all of those things. I didn't get a single thing wrong here, you're just blatantly wrong and are trying to claim concept work for Dark Sector isn't related to Dark Sector somehow?
Your the only person complaining about this
I am! I guess I have a unique opinion and stance on the Warframe story!
I always thought of the Orokin as our descendants, just very far in the future, the idea of going back in time but to a parallel universe seems legit and I don't think it's out of place or order.
You do bring up some good points though.
Hey man that's a perfectly legit opinion! I believe the Orokin are humans descendants as well, just I'm not sure if this is a parallel universe or just a completely different one.
My current theory is that the universe 1999 takes place in is unrelated to our current universe, with completely different developments history and all of that, which would hopefully help explain away the paradox of Ballas creating warframes while there's proto frames in 1999. So basically what you said just not parallel I think
@@kookthekid8338 It is an alternate universe in some way, they mentioned this in one of the devstreams or devshorts a while ago - all the cars have 3 headlights - they mentioned it around the same time :)
just leave Warframe bro, go play TFD instead.
I don’t even know what TFD is, and I’ll absolutely not leave Warframe, it’s one of my favorite games!
Another thing is how the games management changed, the story used to be following many many leads but now is trying to focus on one story line. The update being like dark sector isnt a problem, making dark sector canon to warframe would make the game more confusing but DE wanted to explore a world similar to dark sector so they made a way to both have their cake and eat it
We are going back to Dark Sector era. Which was the best because that era was when the "warframes of today" had normal human skin :D
Hey I’m glad that’s what you’re into! Have fun with it!🙂
This is a pretty low effort ragebait IMO.
It’s not! Why do you think it’s low effort rage bait? Even if you disagree with my points, I think it’s impossible to just say I didn’t make any or that I didn’t create a defensible opinion.
@@kookthekid8338 I never said I disagreed with any of your points. But you're pharasing it as the worst update ever before the update even launches. It's one thing to say you're disapointed in certain aspects or dislike the direction the game's going, but you have no idea how good or bad the update is actually going to be. For all you know the update makes everything in the Platinum shop free, removes the grind for resources, and lets the Lotus pleasure you orally. It's not likely, but you have no idea because it hasn't even come out yet.
And yet, it's "the worst update ever" because that will get people to click the video. You're baiting. You're entitled to your opinions, some of which I may or may not disagree with, but that doesn't mean this isn't just a ragebait to pull in people who were excited about yesterday's game awards anouncemnet.
More a complaint about story direction than the 1999 update. Since the story has been focused on the void, there have been many loose ends of the grineer corpus narmer and sentients is a big problem with the entire games direction and i dont think it can really be fixed given how these factions arent to interlinked. Fair point though.
3:12 ... inspired doesn't mean "literally". Like dude yeah it's got dark sector inspiration its their history. In no way does that mean it has to be the same thing as dark sector. And having played dark sector, it's not the same. Inspired, yes, same, no.
I do know what inspired means lmao. The point is it’s incredibly similar, are you disagreeing with that? I’m kind of confused. I don’t think it’s literally dark sector, just heavily inspired with a warframe twist like the dev lead herself said
Is not that bad. Also, the Man in The Wall has become the mail villian of the game, it's natural to leave the other villians in the back burner while Wally's arc develops.
I find the Hex Syndicate rewards pretty onderwhelming though.
I think the main issue with 99 is that DE spend a lot of time hyping the update, it kind of underdelivered, but i'm sure they'll polish it with time.
The promotional material used for this update was pretty insane, I was honestly surprised to how short the quest was, since how much promotion went into it!
There is 2 types of warframe players
Type 1: Wow😲😲😲 new weapons! New characters!😅😅😅! New Warframes!🎉🎉🎉
Type 2: *KNOWS WHO BORIL IS*
4:24 hold up, let him cook.
while personally i like where the story is currently going, it would be nice to see some of the lines resolved. I am a freak that actually liked payday 2's story so i may be in the minority
That’s completely fine! I’m glad you like it! And I haven’t heard much about payday 2, I just know people really loved the first one
i wholeheartedly think anyone agreeing with this video is incapable of analysing the bigger picture of this questline and what it means for almost every aspect of the story thus far
I wholeheartedly disagree, and I’d love to see your take why you think this way?
The dark sector hate seems excessive... using already established stuff on the backlog and amending it for future work, when it's likely their own work isn't really that bad a thing. Ideally I'd only give someone shit for such things if they do like blizzard did and blow the entire backlog for a few throwaway patches within a year or two.
Yeah I agree with this, I was just being funny there with throwing things at dark sector since it did underperform, however, the dark sector hate in relevance to how they’re claiming 1999 wouldn’t even exist without it, is kind of concerning to me, which is why I did talk about it so much
@@kookthekid8338 i'd say they call back to dark sector for a LOT of Warframe's later, and original, development and not just 1999 specifically.
I absolutely agree with that, but you also have to acknowledge how much more they do that in 1999, to the point they’re saying that 1999 wouldn’t exist if they didn’t look back and get inspired by dark sector. They said 1999 was dark sector inspired but uniquely warframe. So because of what we’re seeing, and because what DE has said, I think it’s a fair take to say they’re taking way more from dark sector than maybe since Warframe was created.
Nah i think he has made some valid points as far as the lore is concerned there is so much they could of built on other than 1999 imo🤷🏿♂️
W commenter agreeing with me😂
damn this video like dislike ratio insane lol i mean this what happens when you shit on an update hours before it drops and turns out to be a hit i played it and personally i enjoyed the new bit of story they gave us
Yeah this is by far more worst dislike to like ration! However, I’m really happy by the conversations it’s generating in my comments here, and besides for one or two comments everyone has had respectful takes, which is impressive! I don’t like the story the update is heading in, and I think it’s goofy, and I personally think I did a great job explaining my gripes in this video, I stand by it completely. This video was meant to release sometime before the update actually dropped, however DE jumpscared me by announcing the update was coming today, so I had to push out the video hours before the update. No one knew it was dropping today, at least I didn’t, which led to my video dropping when it did.
Personally I like that DE has the balls to change they're game completely while still implementing it into they're current game. Yea I'm not a fan of every mechanic thats added, but its always fresh and doesn't ruin the rest of the game. (side note no mentions of time travel until now? Sure maybe not to this extent but Protea exists and Rhino literally stops time by stomping hard enough.) Also lol yea the dating sim is just player service for the more... dedicated players for lack of a better term.
As for story I dont get people's drive to direct something that isn't theirs. Its like telling an author how to write their book. Not to mention while this game has some amazing story and lore its not very set in stone and there's so many open ended aspects that give the devs the ability to go in any direction, for better or worse XD. At the end of the day gameplay is what matters to me. The lore is fun to learn about but Fun/gameplay > lore details.
I respect your opinion, but I disagree, I obviously do care about the lore, and disagree with your take that I shouldn’t be able to comment on my thoughts on the story direction because I’m not the one making the game. I’m a fan, and someone who enjoys the game a lot, so the idea that I shouldn’t be allowed to talk about what I disagree with or like about the game because I’m not directing it is really strange. If I was somehow forcing DE to change their story with this video, you’d have a point, but I can’t, I’m just explaining why I don’t like the direction they’re going in, but obviously DE can make the game however they want, I don’t own it. People have public opinions over things they can’t control and don’t own everyday, I mean almost 99% of the internet is that. Anyway, as I said in the video, DE always delivers with gameplay and that was never a concern! Glad you’re enjoying the update
Alright so, just because Warframe has a lot of evil guys and important monsters to go after DE gotta stop every, find a way for us to get rid of those before we find more enemies? Well between killing a bunch of armies of enemies i rather focus on the huge apocalypse that's literally knocking on our door to enter in our reality and well pretty much everything in it, including us, yeahhhh great idea dude
I don’t think you understood the main issue this video is talking about, which is completely okay, so I’ll explain it here for you. My issue with 1999, which I think I lay out very explicitly in the second part of my video regarding the dark sector. Is that it inherently does not feel like Warframe. The culture, setting and everything doesn’t fit within the universe. They’re excuse for this, is that it’s a different dimension where the man in the wall may be stopped, but I personally think that’s lazy writing, because that would allow you to say the man in the wall is in five nights at Freddy’s and that’s where we have to go next. I want 1999 to connect to the origin system and the void in more ways than just, Wally is here. A better example of connecting something is the Plains of eidolon. The sentient corpses present make sense regarding pre-created lore to the update, the Grineer presence makes sense, and it’s communicated to us before we enter the plains there are instances of groups holding out against the Grineer.
When it comes to 1999 no pre established lore fits in correctly to make it make sense, besides just the very most recent updates with entrati.
When I mention what we could of gotten, I’m talking about why moving the story away from the origin universe is such a large problem. There’s so many unanswered questions, and instead of being in a position to answer them, where just in a completely different universe that’s more inspired by a different game than warframe itself according to the developers themselves.
I'll save you the watch, it ain't, now go and enjoy it lmao
Actually guys, this dude is super wrong, and you should watch through the video three times. 😂
4/10 ragebait almost got me
I wholeheartedly disagree this is rage bait, and if you watch the video I think you’ll find defensible points, even if you don’t agree with them. However, giving something you think is just rage bait a 4/10 is pretty good, so thanks I think lmao🙂
I don’t like how the warframe 1999 hollvaina is only like levels and not a whole fully map you can freely explore and also the dating thing was cringe and feel like fan service it’s just weird
As a player been playing this for the last 8 years i can say yeah.we don't have anything significant for the old boss.after granum void was found we were so excited to see what happen to corpus .U know what happen ; Nothing at all since protea released. Like story wise doesn't hve any changes since then. Grineer had it worst so many great character none got any updates. So i understand his points and yeah they r legit. But hey I am gonna enjoy 1999 nonetheless. Cheers!
I agree with every thing you said, I don't think 1999 is a good update and all of that, but I'm still going to play and probably have a good time while I do.
Ik people like the gameplay direction under Reb, with it expanding central gameplay and endgame pursuits, but the story direction has been… off. Things like Luas prey, Komei update, and Dante inbound are thrown into the game without any quest or introduction for new players, making it confusing when Drusus for example just *appears* and starts babbling at you as if you know who he is. And Jade Shadows… look, I can tolerate some uncomfortability, but a _birthing mini game_ for a _”pregnant” Warframe_ is just objectively weirdo stuff. Leave that to the sad basement gremlins who draw pervy fan art. Which is a shame because the storyline of stalkers origins and motivation is so excellent. And while Whispers was an excellent update, the quest basically went nowhere and had an unsatisfying ending that fell flat. Point is, I have yet to see the new updates since the leadership changes stick the landing on the story quests, and the *out there* nature of 99’ worries me. We’ll see tomorrow I guess.
I agree with a lot of this, gameplay is as great as always, but the set up for story has been somewhat questionable for awhile, even though I have enjoyed a lot of it, none of it is ever cleaned up and finished pretty much
I generally somewhat agree with your opinion.
Although I did enjoy the quest, the characters, and finally getting some clue on what the indifference motives despite how vague it was there are multiple different things in the main story that DE constantly overlook such as the Tau system or the amalgams or conflicts with the Grineer and corpus which they possibly might get to at some point.
It also seems like every quest the Tenno power fluctuate from weak to strong and strong too weak to some degree making them constantly inconsistent. One example is how warframes can pick up and throw around grineer, but for some reason struggled to lift up a truck even with the aid of another person.
There are still a large number of things that DE should go over and clear up before trying to add more confusion or abstract things to the game's story.
I would have preferred if we actually time traveled back to the orokin era so we can actually see what the hierarchy and culture was like and so we can fight orokin era grineer and real Dax soldiers.
Still, I did enjoy the quest and too be fair they at least made it seem like the Drifter was going to focus on conflicts in the year 1999 while the Tenno stayed back and focus on conflicts in the present origin system. I also heard they were going to be making more stuff regarding Narmer iirc.
First of all, the game has never played better! The QoL and mechanical updates all feel great and not a moment too late. I would recommend anyone looking for a good, rewarding game to try Warframe.
While the game has never played better, with care apparent in every mechanic, I can't help but see the novice-level writing decisions. I think the story has fallen off since Whispers. We had a Harry Potter dungeon in Whispers (with those derivative themes doubled down on in Dante) and now a Jojo's references in the Doctor Who-tinted dilemma that 1999 is shaping up to be, with only the lightest of lip service being paid to lore and phenomenon present in Duviri's loop mention in the latest/last 1999 trailer.
Along with this very fantasy-genre-fiction-flavored standard set in mining the past, I can't help be think of the old adage that "great artist steal." I think, if that is the case here, that Warframe writers would benefit from referencing great sci-fi works. The Operator suits and Motes are clearly inspired by 1982 Dune and we even get to ride Worms in Duviri. It's a fantasy trope, though, to look to the past for solutions because all of the great power is old and all of the terrible evil is ancient. We have to uncover and address the long-held secret Heart of Deimos to begin Whispers. But as we, the Tenno, grapple with some more time loop nonsense, we're divorced from the consequences of our actions by not being able to understand or interact with what a post-Narmer origin system looks like. Like, man, did we or did we not just kill our handler and caretaker?
I do think the new PvP mode, though, because it does speak to the real conflict I think would be present in the Tenno faction. SURELY, there would be Tenno that oppose the Lotus' guidance on principle. Some people may be sympathetic to Hunhow and Stalker. Some Tenno may even feel drawn to the Zariman. Other Tenno may be uninterested in maintaining the balance of the Origin system and would seek to completely wipe out an enemy faction's presence on a planet. Imagine if we could liberate every Grineer node on Earth in response to the story's actions?! What if we could foster enclaves of liberated Grineer that feel the way Kahl does? What if we could rid Earth of the Queen's influence entirely?!
This is already longer than I intended it to be, but I do get the frustration expressed in this video. I don't know that I agree with every criticism laid or that it was put out before engaging with 1999, but I think it's perfectly fair to be apprehensive about it and to speak tot hat.
Honestly I think this was a great comment, and I agree with a lot of what you said. When it comes to your final bit about putting it out before engaging with 1999, it’s because this video was made awhile ago, and was going to be released this same exact away, just days before the update actually came out so there wouldn’t be confusion. Unfortunately for me, DE pulled the, this update drops tomorrow, which made me hurry up and finish the video editing and release this video before the update came out, because this video was made to talk about the direction of the story, and why I really don’t like it, regardless of how fun 1999 might be to play.
@@kookthekid8338 Yeah, it really just a cluster of bad timing and charged feelings.
The charge that 1999 is a spiritual successor to Dark Sector as the main component of your video is sound, I think. I'm sure we'll see parallels to Technocyte (beyond Cyte-09's name), enferon, alongside the already present Soviet Block-inspired setting, and more all point to Dark Sector. And I don't think it's interesting. I'll probably long in after the weekend and some patches smooth things out to see for firsthand.
If you really want to get red-string conspiratorial about it, the Dark Sector game was free late in November. It's all connected!
Ill be in the minority here, i watched the video and i actually agree. Ive been playing warframe for a long long time and so far they seem to have a problem with tying up loose ends. Thank you for tempering my interest with a little sobriety. Again im sure 1999 will be fun, but its just another story we'll probably never see closed.
I’m glad some people agree with me! I think from a gameplay and features standpoint the update will at worst be solid as Warframe updates usually are, and probably really good, but the story and lore issues have gotten completely out of hand here in my opinion, and have to be talked about, at least I think so
it might be good it might be shit, but imo we gotta play to see it
That’s true! I think gameplay wise it’ll be good like Warframe always is though
wow you are not the brightest up there are you
Why am I not the brightest? I’d love to hear your explanation!
This video has to be rage bait
I think I make defensible and reasonable points! You can absolutely disagree, but I believe saying it’s rage bait is just wrong
Another problem is that the title is fully ragebait, your video is not about 1999 its about how DE is making a mistake with the games story and its direction. Fair points though
I get the gipes you have, alot of the unished content i feel is what keeps me coming back to warframe tho. Like once we get to Tau what are we gonna do. And i bet DE is asking the same question. Give them time, play other game, this update is good and alot of these loose ends i feel will be resolved soon. We just need to get to Tau tenno.
I hope so!
found it lackluster
Im glad i have the extention to see dislikes because you're yapping
Lmao I’m glad I brought you joy! And while I was yapping, everyone single video anyone makes could be classified as yapping. I stand by my points and don’t like where the story is heading though!
I'm gonna get CYTE-09, then the build.
I think cyte-09s design is incredible ngl, I really like how he looks
@@kookthekid8338 He's a soldier, sniper, and a gunsmith. Makes me shed a tear.
@@kookthekid8338 But he's gonna be my main warframe.
Pretty bad ass ngl
@@kookthekid8338 And, they gonna give the prototype human face sexy nyx look. I'm sold.
i agree with you started to learn more about lore and everything even started to write grineer story hoping it will be noticed but man a fucking motorcycle and romance
Why didnt they add how all begin with orokin war,how grineer advanced they're cloning,or the thing you said we never saw dr tengus ,what is happening with kuva queen
but no we can kiss nyx and slide attack with motorcycle
ofc this my opinion feel free to disagree or agree
I thought the dating stuff and all that was a joke ngl
Me when I lie
Definitely not a lie, I stand by everything I said in this video, and after playing all the way through the update I agree with it even more. The story is really weak, and going in a bad direction, in my personal opinion.
Oh I was joking…
I got baited lmao, W bait
Games fun idc about the update but c'mon lich boy bands?? Your writers are high
I don’t even know what to think about that lmao😭 that’s such an insane thing to include to me, though I think the dating sim is even more out of place personally
@kookthekid8338 everyone wants to leave their own lil shitty imprint so bad they destroy a neat thing instead of improving it.
Railjack
I personally believe when it comes to lore, railjack made a lot more sense, but content wise it was def lack luster
heresy
I disagree!😂
@@kookthekid8338 too bad, its heresy
@@oktena no you
@@kookthekid8338 false, you
DE made Kook mad 😔
Btw the real reason they are doing yhis update is to sell "human" skin customization in the future and to add a romance system for the g00ns.
But at least there's a Trintiy update coming 👀
I'm ngl goonas are going crazy for this one
This game is trash after playing 5 years straight
Short anser... no
While I do disagree, the argument you presented here is compelling
attention baiting
This video is not attention baiting in the sense I presented something I don’t agree with, because I stand by every single take in this video 100%. However, this is UA-cam, and the point of every single video everyone posts is to get attention, so in essence I guess you’re right?
@kookthekid8338 so everythingi you Just Said IS irrelevant i get IT
I agree with you an i played warframe since it come out with a cousin once it was on switch I was existed to get it I was hoping you could always play as the characters in 1999 in the bounty missions which kind of got me disappointed.
Sad they jus keep making holes in the story and leaving them empty
That’s my biggest problem here, I think the update will ultimately be fun like all Warframe content is, but the issues with the story need to be talked about, and this update takes this game in a direction to where it looks like no holes will be patched and no stories will be finished
This is a pretty low effort ragebait IMO.
What makes you say this? I feel like I made defensible points throughout this entire video, you can disagree with them, but to just call it rage bait is wrong.