@@myfordranger The cross member I got from Joe Persad fit great. I did not use the range selector mounting bracket (which rotates the range selector 180 degrees) due to the fact that I used a selector shaft arm from Lokar, which keeps the arm pointing straight up. Than I needed to make one small bend in his shifter arm to make the attachment
I know I may be a minority here but I was doing research on the transmission in my 1993 Ford crown victoria lx. I am looking to replace or rebuild its AOD-E transmission because not only was it poorly maintained by the original owner but I just love this car. Many people dont think it is worth the money I am putting into the car but I think once the car is mechanically sound, I will have a nice long lived cross country car.
While not common, I would dropkick the FMX and use a C-6 with smallblock bolt pattern (they are still occasionally found in pickups and vans with 300 ci 6 cylinders) I would also use the wide-ratio gearset from an E4OD along with at least a 4 pinion planetary.set when building the C-6. FMX transmissions never had any performance upgrades that can be retrofitted as the C-6 and AOD do Some FMX parts are interchangeable with medium case Cruise o Matic, those had a wide variety of drums used that would accept more clutches especially those used behind 4 barrel equipped 390 engines.. The FMX, Cruise O Matic and Fordomatic were actually Borg Warner designed. Ford at one time owned Borg-Warner.
Nice info Jeff. One thing you left out for common problem with a 4R70W and it's a biggy. The direct drive drum is welded to the main shaft. The weld breaks loose and no more 3rd or OD! I have to put my new trans in this week because of that, Got on I-85 coming from NPD last month shifting up fine as I merged from the on ramp. Shift point for 3rd and it was like throwing it in neutral. 5 hour ride hour at 55 mph max to keep it below 3k rpm. Not fun and a LOT of ticked off drivers on i-85 and I-77!!
It's not welded to anything. The 4r70 uses a stub shaft that plugs into the forward drum and plugs into the direct drum. There isn't much tooth engagement at all and they are prone to stripping. Sonnax makes a few better parts to cure the problem for cheap.
I have a built 4R70W going in my 69 Mach 1. The trans came out of a F150 and has the longer tail housing but it’s no big deal. Compared to the FMX that I took out the mount bolts are just under an inch further back so not too hard to get a crossmember to work. I’ve got the US shift controller and it’s perfect. I believe some of the aode/4r70 transmissions didn’t have the gear for the speedometer drive and only have a speed sensor. So that can be another problem.
I took an AOD out of my 1990 Ford E150 and put in my 1985 Ford Ltd with 3.8 V6. Engine rpm dropped 500 at 50 mph and gained fuel mileage from 22 mpg to 31 mpg on the highway. then moved it to my 1986 Ford Ltd wagon. Very happy with it. had to have driveshaft made. also had to reverse the shift pattern. I know have another AOD to put in my 1965 Mercury Comet with 351W. not sure it will fit yet. some forums say it does others say it don't .
Late 289, 302, 351 Windsor and Cleveland will all bolt up to an AOD, they have the same bellhousing pattern. 289s built before February 1965 will not, they have a 5 bolt pattern rather than a 6 bolt.
@@donreinke5863 I should have worded that differently. what I meant whether the transmission will fit the car with out major modifications to flooring.
@@BrianOgram AOD, AODE and 4r70W are not much larger than a C-4. If the vehicle had an engine option that would have had an FMX or C-6 behind it, there will be almost no issues.
For a street cruiser targeting 400hp in a 72 Gran Torino sport, would you go with a 351W/351C and an AOD or a 460 with a C6? Torn between the two, the low end torque of the 460 is tempting but I would love overdrive
Watch out with an AOD when going high horsepower. I have a 1970 Mustang with a 550hp Cleveland. 2 shops failed to build a proper AOD because lack of knowledge about Them. Cost me 8k allready. Now working with Dan from Silverfox. Lentech or FB tranmission are also very good in AOD when it comes to high performance. The FMX and the C6 are from the basis much stronger transmissions
The FMX (actually a medium case Cruise O Matic without the rear pump) doesnt have many upgrades available. A large case Cruise O Matic ( mostly used in Lincolns) was used in automatic equipped Thunderbolt Fairlanes as the C-6 had not yet been introduced. Use of an aftermarket billet direct input shaft is absolutely critical on any AOD. along with a high capacity direct clutch drum. The 4 clutch ones just dont cut it. The C-6 uses a Simpson type gearset, while everything from the Fordomatic to 4R70W (they are all evolutionally related as far as gearset design) uses the Ravagneau type.
@@donreinke5863 the aod is holding perfectly now, it can handle about 700 hp now. Parts came from Silver fox. Yeah fmx is strong but almost none aftermarket parts
Thanks for your comparo on these transmissions. Back in the 1970s, I had two different 1968 Galaxie 500s with the 390/automatic power train. Neither had a C6; both had a detachable bellhousing, one being a C4 and the other an FMX. Obviously not very common, and seems to have been limited to the Gulf Coast. One such vehicle was advertised for sale within the past year.
Jeff, an update. Long story short, there was a reason for the misidentifcation; the differences weren't enough to be different slushboxes. 🤔 Apparently, some rumors about FE/C-4 powertrains have been around. Have also seen ads for classic cars claiming transmissions that weren't factory; guess a lot of us need scorecards to keep track. 🥴 Enjoy your videos. 👍
AOD with the 2.40 1st can be great, with high stall LOCKUP converter O/D is unaffected. Still has the .67 ratio. Makes nice combo for average cruiser. No maybe not as good overall as 4R70W but good enough for me. Of course you're still dealing with the TV cable, I consider those minor. Weakest point on average AOD is the soft inner input shaft, busted mine on first outing to drag strip. AOD used behind supercharged V6(Supercoupe) have better servo & wider O/D band than run of the mill Stang varieties. Of course are the hardest ones to find. I still have the one I used for 10 seasons with only the above mentioned input failure(12.23 best, 3.73 geared '88 5.0 T-Bird, 3760 Lbs). It does have a shift kit, absolutely required. When stock, shifts would flare badly behind the Trick Flow headed 5.0
@@hotrodray6802 that’s the point of getting a AOD for the lockup & overdrive capability. So you’re saying it don’t? So the guys at Monster Garage are false advertising?
If you're pulling it anyway and going to have it rebuilt, I'd just get a good reputable builder to build a strong AOD as they're still pre-electronic and you'd get overdrive, (I would NOT buy a monster or any of the mass reman'd ones.) and they aren't that expensive. That's just me. If it was a C6 on the other hand and you weren't going to do a lot of high speed cruising I'd stick with it.
Some vet transmission guy could correct my recollection, but even though the AOD doesn’t technically have a lockup converter, it effectively has the same benefit. In third and fourth, the direct drum is connected to the converter body rather than the turbine giving the same result as lockup.
Correct, inner input shaft splines into the front hub of converter.. Interesting is through some combination of gearing, provides for 60% lockup in 3rd(never quite understood this aspect) & 100% in O/D. Kicker is there are modified aftermarket AOD converters that inner shaft splines into turbine, resulting in loss of full lockup. With this setup additional cooler should be added. For cruiser can also use a little less gearing. Assuming full lockup retention, gearing between 3.50 & 3.90 is generally best for a cruiser, especially if engine has a mild/moderate cam. Too high duration cam will reduce vacuum, possibly allowing carb power valve to open, killing fuel economy & maybe foul plugs. With stockish cam something around 3.25 to MAYBE 3.00 will be OK(I'd still use 3.50). At cruise maintaining vacuum above 13-14" will be important. O/D isn't much good if speed has to be 70+ mph to use it.
Autorestomod Manic Mechanic Gasoline Media yea the 2.40 first gear necessitates a higher stall vs the R470W, and in order to hold 2nd gear you bring back down to first as it only has 3 quadrants. Used it for AutoX haha.
shopping for an AOD replacement in my 70 mustang . dyno tested 500 hp. 8" rear with 3'80 gears. 72 windsor block. have had this aod rebuilt 4 or 5 times. it'll hold the power but shifts have been eradic shifts. can't set the tv cable. tired of it. good video. helpful
Seems like I read that the 4R70W that is in the V6 SN95 Mustangs has the Windsor bolt pattern. Those things are all over the place in my local salvage yards.
Are y’all sure about that? I believe the AODE’s were phased out in about 97-98(?) The 4R70W’s did have the two-bolt starter bell housing for 6-cylinder applications. Disclaimer: as I recall 😁
Hmmm i thought i remembered that early 92 4.6's in the cv, gm& 91-92 Lincoln towncar had the small block bell pattern and the aod with the kick down cable. Through 2/18/92 were aod & from 2/19/92 were the aode.
It did. And early cars might be a standard AOD. Ford is notorious for changing on the fly. I try and not get bogged down in the stuff like that. And with my knowledge as vast as it can be (when I can remember) I do forget things.
This is some cool info! I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of this. The only Transmissions I've attempted to rebuild are the C4 and C6.... I do know that you can really BANG the shifts on an AOD/AOD-E by drilling the 1-2 and 2-3 circuit holes in the Valve Body Separator Plate, Remove the 2nd and 3rd Accumulator Springs, and one other thing that frankly, I can't remember!! 😜 I have done more than a few AOD Shift Kits back when I was a Ford Dealer Tech.... You're so right - TV Cable adjustments are CRITICAL! I'm going to go watch the rest! 😉 Carmine ✈🚂🚙
It's the Honey doos that get you every time!!! So if by some rare Miracle I get the 68 Fastback I've always wanted.... There's more room in the Tunnel than in the Fairlane/Torino? Even though I'm the SAME age as the Mustang (to the DAY!!), I've never owned anything earlier than the Foxbodies. Even sounds NUTZ when I say it. I've decided not to just go do the "expected" Coyote in a Foxbody... I may even challenge myself, and take on a Slice-the-top-of-the-Log-Manifold, Cammed SIX!!! 😲😳 Never tried before. I would go in knowing that even breaking 180-200hp would be a MIRACLE. Just purely for a new experience, and maybe end up with a Torquey, decent Gas Mileage, fun Cruiser. THEN I'd likely build the snot out of a Modular in a SN95, for the need for Speed itch! 😜😁😁 When you're ready to get back to it... I'll be watching!
I have a 1977 ford f250 4x4 high boy With the divorce transfer case...400eng C6 tranny.....2700rpm at 55mph! I really need another gear < will a r40w work
They keep mentioning how hard it is to find a 4R70W is to find with the small block bolt pattern but failed to mention that every single 5.0 Explorer has the 4R70W transmission.
I have a question! what would be a good replacement for an Edsel? I'm looking at a 58 citation but, I'm looking for a replacement in case I can't restore the motor and that push-button in the steering wheel
Hmmm that would be a Ford-O-Matic...I think. And that shifter...I've never dug into one. I'd hit the Edsel forums if it were me and look around to see what others have done.
@@clevelandmaker386 The shifter adjustment is in old Motors Manuals, but no repair/test procedure. Apparently trans is the Cruise-o-Matic with a electric shift solenoid attached to outside. That'll probably mean has a special manual lever that solenoid operates. Also the O/D transmissions will require a adapter to bolt to any engine built prior to '65, custom drive shaft etc. No doubt a swap with many pitfalls and custom fabrication necessary.
Guys, I need advice. I can’t get a straight forward answer. I have a 92 Lincoln Town Car. I believe that it has the AOD. Can I put an AODE in it???? Or will I need to modify things in order to make it fit? Thanks guys
I solved all the problems with a c4 from a mustang 70 and put it behind the y block ford57, the aod was too expensive. I have no more leaks and performance is really good 👍😉
You pick up a C6 dirt cheap since no one wants a 3 speed anymore...then you spend the AOD price to get a Gear Vendors OD, and end up with a 6speed rather than a 4 speed for your money and effort.
I start with 1980-92 AOD units, theres still a lot of them in wrecking yards, then find 4R70ws which are stripped down for their wide-ratio gearsets and high capacity clutch packs. AODs are then rebuilt with these components, while the useless parts of the 4R70w are consigned to a scrap pile. I do not ever want any electronically controlled transmissions in my vehicles, thats just failure prone junk. If engine to transmission adapters are needed, they are available, but I will not use Monster as they are 300-400 dollars more than competing companies.
I'm swapping my C4 for an AOD in my 67 mustang with stock 8", so trying to decide between 3.55 or 3.80 (LSD) . Mainly for street driving. High revs on highway was reason why I upgraded to AOD. Thoughts?
There are 75 and up Torino, Cougar, LTD II and T birds with 351M small block bolt pattern backed with a FMX. looking for something like that and bolt up a 400 rotating assembly into it and swap for AOD.
I recently came across a v8 in an 87 f150. I think it has an aod trans but I haven't had a chance to see if it's a 302 or 351. I'm trying to figure out if the trans would work in an older vehicle without a bunch of electronic crap? Something like an old rat rod
am i missing something? the 4R70W's are not hard to find at all the 3.8 v6 uses the same bolt pattern as the small block, most guys prefer the v6 torque converter because it has a higher stall speed
hey folks! I'm about to tear apart my first transmission. it's an 89 AOD 4x4 with the transfer case. Can you suggest a guide/book etc.. for what i'm getting into? it's supposed to be a learning experience so while i'd like the rebuild to turn out well I'm relying on great vids like this and Gary Ferraro's tear down to help figure out what i'm doing.
We've never ventured off into the guts. BUT UA-cam is a great source for learning about this. I do seen to remember that there are a few specialty tools that will be needed. Just start looking stuff up, comparing notes with channels.
What about a 1970 E-200 stock 302 . ? Will that 4R70 fit everything ? (except drive shaft and mounts bracket ) What will my performance be in gas milage ? Am I better off with the stock C4 ? In 1985 They had the Econoline 5.0 w/ overdrive auto trans seemed fine . Then You mentioned the "early AOD's" but what years did Ford do what ? and why does it matter ?
What about a 1970 E-200 stock 302 It might, but I've never worked on a 1970 E. Am I better off with the stock C4 ? It depends, what is your 90 percent? if you are driving around town, stay C4 it will be cheaper. Ford made chassis changes to accommodate new introductions (like the AOD). Not sure thery did that on the E vans, but I know it was done elsewhere. We did a video on the differences in AODs here: ua-cam.com/video/TcsTl5ZedQk/v-deo.html
I have a 64 Ford Galaxie with a 289 and a C6. From what I understood watching this video, to keep my overdrive transmission swap as simple as possible, my best option is to buy an AODE. (That way, I will only have to put a button on my dash to engage the overdrive. Am I correct)? What year range of 2-wheel drive F-150 would have an AODE? Note: My 289 is a 1967 model.
1992 and up Ford F-Series trucks and E-Series vans (look to the earlier 1992 to 1995 models) 1993-1994 Ford Crown Victoria 1993-1994 Mercury Grand Marquis 1994-1995 Ford Mustang
I've got a 65 mustang with the cruise O matic, I do not like it what in your opinion is the best transmission to swap it out with. I was considering a 5 speed swap but its looking difficult to source the pedal assembly and clutch parts.
@8:00 So what your saying is when you're in first gear it is a "higher gear" than 3rd. Or 4.10 is a higher gear than 3.00. I always thought more rpm meant a lower gear... Like starting out in Low on the selector then shifting up... Basics guys, basics. 😱
I know this is an older video but I'm hoping somebody can answer a question for me. What would you recommend a AODE or 4R70W or maybe something else for a Ford flathead I already have a AOD adapter plate and I know I will need to run a management system. I will be running roughly 150 HP and I still want to shift from the column. This is going in a 1951 Shoebox.... Thanks for any input!
Since you aren't running a ton of power you could probably get away with an AOD, or an AODE. Lokar makes a TV cable kit for the AODE. I'd want to go to a 3.25 rear gear on the car with those two transmissions as the internal gearing is not as good as s C4.
Why would you want the extra complexity of an electronic system and all the solenoids? I use AODs only upgraded with higher capacity clutch packs and wide ratio planetary gearsets plundered from 4R70Ws. The only consideration there is setting up a throttle pressure rod.
@@AutoRestoMod Uh...the first gear ratio of a C4 is 2.46/1 while the AOD is 2.40/1....not a huge difference. The later 4R70W uses a 2.84/1 low gear and the entire planetary set can be swapped into an older AOD without much difficulty, in much the same way as an E40D wide ratio gearset can be swapped into a C-6 Ford went to the 4R70W when the 4.6 modular engine was introduced because it was deficient on low end power vs a 302 or 351W. Im running 3.27s (available in both 7.5 and 8.8 differentials) in my Fox body vehicle as the 3.25 is a 9 inch gearset.
I got a..1990 25th anniversary GT car 302 automatic all Factory besides exhaust and the transmission I'd like to hop the factory transmission up a little bit
@@AutoRestoMod Theres no "might" about it. That IS the history of those transmissions, and the FMX was further (radically) redesigned by Ford in 1980 into the AOD. Everything from the Ford O Matic (first used in 1951) to the Cruise O Matic to the FMX and finally AOD, AODE and 4R70w as well as its variants uses a Ravagneau gearset, while most modern transmissions (such as the Ford C-4, C-6 Chrysler Torqueflite and GM Turbo 350, 400 and 4L80E) use the newer Simpson gearset which uses planetary assemblies on both sides of a common sun gear. This is my 52nd year in general automotive repair and my 40th in transmissions. Its part of my job to know this stuff.
LenTech lentechautomatics.com/ can bolt up pretty much anything to your 460. It's the internals that are gonna be the problem. With the torque that a 460 can apply to the ground you'll want something by LenTech that is designed for Drag Racing.
E4OD is a much beefier trans, I believe patterned after the C6. Were mfg'd with small block bolt pattern, 400/429/460 big block & no doubt mod motor(I walk a wide path around those) Only seen 'em in trucks. I had one in a '93 Lightning 351, and another in a 97 F-350 460.
I was just looking for the same thing. The listing I found was 93> F350, 94> F150, F250; those would have been 5.0 and 5.8. Haven't gone to the junk yard to look yet...
@@donreinke5863 Get the same setup for my old '90 Crown Vic, also all Sonnax mods, aluminum pan, huge radiator and 3.73 rear end. With mild modified 351w it's really tireburner;)
Dang guys, $1,200!? For performance, no doubt, but a stock AOD shouldn't cost more than $100 in good condition, if you do the rebuild yourself with a shift improver kit you're at about $200 all in for a mild cruiser.
When they rebuild them they do a complete rebuild. The kit they use runs $524. Cleaning, setup, new solenoids etc where applicable. New internals are better than stock. Plus tools. Cheap can do cheap. It's up to you.
@@AutoRestoMod I wasn't trying to imply that their prices were not fair, and I wouldn't trust somebody to do it well for $200. I was trying to say a shade tree mechanic rebuild one of these in an afternoon, and it will serve them well for mild applications on a budget. Not everybody needs a beefed-up AOD, most cruisers just need a stock rebuild to cruise on.
OK. That conversion has been around for a little while. It was actually the E40D the people were using the internals from. Personally for most applications why not just use a 4R70W?
Short answer is I'm not sure the one we talk to monster we gave them the vehicle we were using and the engine that was in there and the relative horsepower so that they would know how to set the converter up. Anytime I'm ordering a converter I will contact the source company usually and get information from them as to how we should order a converter
I'm thinking about keeping my 91 mustang lx an auto (EVERY ONE puts the 5 0r 6 speed in there...want to put in an automatic that will make these 5 speed guys think twice ..has 4 cyl in it now with a 7.5 rear...gathering all the info I can find.. advice please...want an auto monster that is also daily drivable...thanks 8n advance...
No lock-up in the AOD is not a correct statement. While it does not have a lock-up clutch in the torque convertor it does have two input shafts. The smaller shaft is called the Direct shaft. This splines directly into the cover of the torque convertor and also the direct drum. When direct clutch is applied, you have a direct mechanical connection between the engine and driveline. You guys are splitting hairs when you talk about the ratios between c-4, c-6, FMX and AOD. You would never feel the difference between 2.40 to 2.46. The only exception is the 4R70 which has a 2.84:1 1st gear. Here is an unverified thought: If looking for a 4R70 with a 2 bolt starter, also look at the 4.2 V-6. It has a 2 bolt starter, not sure if all the specs were the same as the small block bell housing.
Me too, the only two classics I have with autos are the wagon and the F100. both came that way. The Ranchero we're doing for the step son will be a three on the tree. I want the step son to be able to drive anything with wheels.
LOL I agree to a point. I drove in Houston, TX traffic for 14 years 8 of them with a four speed. There is something to be said for an auto in those conditions.
I installed a 4R70W transmission in my 1969 Mustang Mach1 this past summer and I feel it was one of the best upgrades I have made to the car so far.
What did you have to do for the shifter? I'm thinking about doing that swap in mine.
I got the transmission crossmember and shifter bar from Joe Persad at premiergenerator@gmail.com
how did it fit? any issues?
@@myfordranger The cross member I got from Joe Persad fit great. I did not use the range selector mounting bracket (which rotates the range selector 180 degrees) due to the fact that I used a selector shaft arm from Lokar, which keeps the arm pointing straight up. Than I needed to make one small bend in his shifter arm to make the attachment
Did you change your block to transmission plate?
I know I may be a minority here but I was doing research on the transmission in my 1993 Ford crown victoria lx. I am looking to replace or rebuild its AOD-E transmission because not only was it poorly maintained by the original owner but I just love this car. Many people dont think it is worth the money I am putting into the car but I think once the car is mechanically sound, I will have a nice long lived cross country car.
This was a great video with info I didn’t know about! (Been in transmission business for 23-ish years)
Good luck.
There's misinformation here.
Daniel Liguori I agree.
Love my aod in my 63 wagon. Best upgrade I’ve ever made. Not a big power car just a great driver.
Thanks awesome! What gears do you have?
I got a 1970 mercury cougar with a 4V cleveland in it and i can confirm that FMX transmissions did come with the 4V variant
While not common, I would dropkick the FMX and use a C-6 with smallblock bolt pattern (they are still occasionally found in pickups and vans with 300 ci 6 cylinders)
I would also use the wide-ratio gearset from an E4OD along with at least a 4 pinion planetary.set when building the C-6.
FMX transmissions never had any performance upgrades that can be retrofitted as the C-6 and AOD do
Some FMX parts are interchangeable with medium case Cruise o Matic, those had a wide variety of drums used that would accept more clutches especially those used behind 4 barrel equipped 390 engines..
The FMX, Cruise O Matic and Fordomatic were actually Borg Warner designed.
Ford at one time owned Borg-Warner.
Nice info Jeff. One thing you left out for common problem with a 4R70W and it's a biggy. The direct drive drum is welded to the main shaft. The weld breaks loose and no more 3rd or OD! I have to put my new trans in this week because of that, Got on I-85 coming from NPD last month shifting up fine as I merged from the on ramp. Shift point for 3rd and it was like throwing it in neutral. 5 hour ride hour at 55 mph max to keep it below 3k rpm. Not fun and a LOT of ticked off drivers on i-85 and I-77!!
Good info! Honestly had not heard/read about that issue.
Oh, Oh, you must have been to the Charlotte NPD...
It's not welded to anything. The 4r70 uses a stub shaft that plugs into the forward drum and plugs into the direct drum. There isn't much tooth engagement at all and they are prone to stripping.
Sonnax makes a few better parts to cure the problem for cheap.
You guys make great videos , i dont comment much but its really high quality content and both content creators are great
I have a built 4R70W going in my 69 Mach 1. The trans came out of a F150 and has the longer tail housing but it’s no big deal. Compared to the FMX that I took out the mount bolts are just under an inch further back so not too hard to get a crossmember to work. I’ve got the US shift controller and it’s perfect. I believe some of the aode/4r70 transmissions didn’t have the gear for the speedometer drive and only have a speed sensor. So that can be another problem.
Installed and AOD into our 1962 Mercury Meteor!
Really? How'd it bolt to a 5 bolt block?...
Oh you have a later model engine. ... of course.
I took an AOD out of my 1990 Ford E150 and put in my 1985 Ford Ltd with 3.8 V6. Engine rpm dropped 500 at 50 mph and gained fuel mileage from 22 mpg to 31 mpg on the highway. then moved it to my 1986 Ford Ltd wagon. Very happy with it. had to have driveshaft made. also had to reverse the shift pattern. I know have another AOD to put in my 1965 Mercury Comet with 351W. not sure it will fit yet. some forums say it does others say it don't
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Late 289, 302, 351 Windsor and Cleveland will all bolt up to an AOD, they have the same bellhousing pattern.
289s built before February 1965 will not, they have a 5 bolt pattern rather than a 6 bolt.
@@donreinke5863 I should have worded that differently. what I meant whether the transmission will fit the car with out major modifications to flooring.
@@BrianOgram AOD, AODE and 4r70W are not much larger than a C-4.
If the vehicle had an engine option that would have had an FMX or C-6 behind it, there will be almost no issues.
For a street cruiser targeting 400hp in a 72 Gran Torino sport, would you go with a 351W/351C and an AOD or a 460 with a C6? Torn between the two, the low end torque of the 460 is tempting but I would love overdrive
Watch out with an AOD when going high horsepower. I have a 1970 Mustang with a 550hp Cleveland. 2 shops failed to build a proper AOD because lack of knowledge about Them. Cost me 8k allready. Now working with Dan from Silverfox.
Lentech or FB tranmission are also very good in AOD when it comes to high performance.
The FMX and the C6 are from the basis much stronger transmissions
The FMX (actually a medium case Cruise O Matic without the rear pump) doesnt have many upgrades available.
A large case Cruise O Matic ( mostly used in Lincolns) was used in automatic equipped Thunderbolt Fairlanes as the C-6 had not yet been introduced.
Use of an aftermarket billet direct input shaft is absolutely critical on any AOD. along with a high capacity direct clutch drum. The 4 clutch ones just dont cut it.
The C-6 uses a Simpson type gearset, while everything from the Fordomatic to 4R70W (they are all evolutionally related as far as gearset design) uses the Ravagneau type.
@@donreinke5863 the aod is holding perfectly now, it can handle about 700 hp now. Parts came from Silver fox. Yeah fmx is strong but almost none aftermarket parts
Thanks for your comparo on these transmissions.
Back in the 1970s, I had two different 1968 Galaxie 500s with the 390/automatic power train. Neither had a C6; both had a detachable bellhousing, one being a C4 and the other an FMX. Obviously not very common, and seems to have been limited to the Gulf Coast. One such vehicle was advertised for sale within the past year.
That would be an FMX. Good reliable box, but not super popular for some reason.
Jeff, an update. Long story short, there was a reason for the misidentifcation; the differences weren't enough to be different slushboxes. 🤔 Apparently, some rumors about FE/C-4 powertrains have been around. Have also seen ads for classic cars claiming transmissions that weren't factory; guess a lot of us need scorecards to keep track. 🥴
Enjoy your videos. 👍
AOD with the 2.40 1st can be great, with high stall LOCKUP converter O/D is unaffected. Still has the .67 ratio. Makes nice combo for average cruiser. No maybe not as good overall as 4R70W but good enough for me. Of course you're still dealing with the TV cable, I consider those minor. Weakest point on average AOD is the soft inner input shaft, busted mine on first outing to drag strip.
AOD used behind supercharged V6(Supercoupe) have better servo & wider O/D band than run of the mill Stang varieties. Of course are the hardest ones to find. I still have the one I used for 10 seasons with only the above mentioned input failure(12.23 best, 3.73 geared '88 5.0 T-Bird, 3760 Lbs).
It does have a shift kit, absolutely required. When stock, shifts would flare badly behind the Trick Flow headed 5.0
AODs don't have lockup converters.
An AOD is always locked when in 3 or OD as it is being driven through the shafts.
Geez.
@@hotrodray6802 that’s the point of getting a AOD for the lockup & overdrive capability. So you’re saying it don’t? So the guys at Monster Garage are false advertising?
I was thinking about sometime down the line switching the transmission in my 67 Mustang.
But then again I might just get the C4 rebuilt
The C4 is going to be cheaper, if you are going to do some long haul running the AOD would be a good choice.
If you're pulling it anyway and going to have it rebuilt, I'd just get a good reputable builder to build a strong AOD as they're still pre-electronic and you'd get overdrive, (I would NOT buy a monster or any of the mass reman'd ones.) and they aren't that expensive. That's just me. If it was a C6 on the other hand and you weren't going to do a lot of high speed cruising I'd stick with it.
I'm rebuilding 69 ,351w & have c6 automatic ? Putting in 66 fairlane 500 ? Would a c4 be better ?
Trying to compare aod vs 4r70w. Learned every detail about a c4 and fmx, plus npd shipping schedules.
Cannot wait to get my aod behind my 302. Running a c4 that only has 2 gears right now and no kickdown. lol
Lol almost like having 4.11 gears!
We put an AOD behind our built 302 and 3.80 gears and it woke up our 62 Mercury Meteor!
@@gasratzcustoms love those cars. This is for a sportsroof Torino.
Some vet transmission guy could correct my recollection, but even though the AOD doesn’t technically have a lockup converter, it effectively has the same benefit. In third and fourth, the direct drum is connected to the converter body rather than the turbine giving the same result as lockup.
Correct, inner input shaft splines into the front hub of converter.. Interesting is through some combination of gearing, provides for 60% lockup in 3rd(never quite understood this aspect) & 100% in O/D. Kicker is there are modified aftermarket AOD converters that inner shaft splines into turbine, resulting in loss of full lockup. With this setup additional cooler should be added. For cruiser can also use a little less gearing.
Assuming full lockup retention, gearing between 3.50 & 3.90 is generally best for a cruiser, especially if engine has a mild/moderate cam. Too high duration cam will reduce vacuum, possibly allowing carb power valve to open, killing fuel economy & maybe foul plugs. With stockish cam something around 3.25 to MAYBE 3.00 will be OK(I'd still use 3.50). At cruise maintaining vacuum above 13-14" will be important. O/D isn't much good if speed has to be 70+ mph to use it.
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AODs can be built to take it. I have one with A+ servo, Kevlar bands sitting in my garage.
We agree, I was looking for a near "straight across" gearing. The 4R70W offers that. I can't wait to get it installed and see how it performs!
Autorestomod Manic Mechanic Gasoline Media yea the 2.40 first gear necessitates a higher stall vs the R470W, and in order to hold 2nd gear you bring back down to first as it only has 3 quadrants. Used it for AutoX haha.
shopping for an AOD replacement in my 70 mustang . dyno tested 500 hp. 8" rear with 3'80 gears. 72 windsor block. have had this aod rebuilt 4 or 5 times. it'll hold the power but shifts have been eradic shifts. can't set the tv cable. tired of it. good video. helpful
Contact Lentech.
Seems like I read that the 4R70W that is in the V6 SN95 Mustangs has the Windsor bolt pattern. Those things are all over the place in my local salvage yards.
Yup. You are correct.1996 to 2004 could have either an AODE or a 4R70W.
Are y’all sure about that? I believe the AODE’s were phased out in about 97-98(?) The 4R70W’s did have the two-bolt starter bell housing for 6-cylinder applications. Disclaimer: as I recall 😁
Yes, All 3.8L share the same pattern as the 302/351W. Just the flexplate needs to match the balance of your engine. 4R's are everywhere.
Ryan... So using W from a 3.8 would require a rebuild to stand a C engine.???
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So how do you handle the electronic parts of new to vintage swaps?
Hmmm i thought i remembered that early 92 4.6's in the cv, gm& 91-92 Lincoln towncar had the small block bell pattern and the aod with the kick down cable. Through 2/18/92 were aod & from 2/19/92 were the aode.
Also the Lincoln aod's had the longer tailshaft as well
It did. And early cars might be a standard AOD. Ford is notorious for changing on the fly. I try and not get bogged down in the stuff like that. And with my knowledge as vast as it can be (when I can remember) I do forget things.
This is some cool info! I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of this.
The only Transmissions I've attempted to rebuild are the C4 and C6....
I do know that you can really BANG the shifts on an AOD/AOD-E by drilling the 1-2 and 2-3 circuit holes in the Valve Body Separator Plate, Remove the 2nd and 3rd Accumulator Springs, and one other thing that frankly, I can't remember!! 😜
I have done more than a few AOD Shift Kits back when I was a Ford Dealer Tech....
You're so right - TV Cable adjustments are CRITICAL!
I'm going to go watch the rest! 😉
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And one day we'll be done! Right now we are fighting honey doos and apathy.
It's the Honey doos that get you every time!!!
So if by some rare Miracle I get the 68 Fastback I've always wanted.... There's more room in the Tunnel than in the Fairlane/Torino?
Even though I'm the SAME age as the Mustang (to the DAY!!), I've never owned anything earlier than the Foxbodies. Even sounds NUTZ when I say it.
I've decided not to just go do the "expected" Coyote in a Foxbody...
I may even challenge myself, and take on a Slice-the-top-of-the-Log-Manifold, Cammed SIX!!! 😲😳 Never tried before. I would go in knowing that even breaking 180-200hp would be a MIRACLE. Just purely for a new experience, and maybe end up with a Torquey, decent Gas Mileage, fun Cruiser.
THEN I'd likely build the snot out of a Modular in a SN95, for the need for Speed itch! 😜😁😁
When you're ready to get back to it... I'll be watching!
Hard shifts break things. Firm shifts are the goal.
SO will an AOD or 4r70W bolt right up to my 76 F150 -390 engine? just change tranny mount and driveshaft?
Think you put out enough information to confuse all of us!
You did leave one option off the table it's a little expensive but it's called a gear vendors Overdrive
Gear Vendors is an option, but not really what we set out to discuss. We might look at one for the F100. The GV overdrive is awesome for towing
And those are like what, $3k+?
@@Terminxman yes but I they are bullet proof 2000+ hp
I have a 1977 ford f250 4x4 high boy
With the divorce transfer case...400eng
C6 tranny.....2700rpm at 55mph!
I really need another gear < will a r40w work
They keep mentioning how hard it is to find a 4R70W is to find with the small block bolt pattern but failed to mention that every single 5.0 Explorer has the 4R70W transmission.
I lost all forward gears in my 96 f150 4x4, cant find a replacement anywhere!
Dude on the left (viewers angle) you can tell is extremely knowledgeable
He is!
I have a question!
what would be a good replacement for an Edsel?
I'm looking at a 58 citation but, I'm looking for a replacement in case I can't restore the motor and that push-button in the steering wheel
Hmmm that would be a Ford-O-Matic...I think. And that shifter...I've never dug into one. I'd hit the Edsel forums if it were me and look around to see what others have done.
Does it have the telematic shift in steering wheel?
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@@tombryant1104 yep....but I heard that it's almost impossible to fix
@@clevelandmaker386 The shifter adjustment is in old Motors Manuals, but no repair/test procedure. Apparently trans is the Cruise-o-Matic with a electric shift solenoid attached to outside. That'll probably mean has a special manual lever that solenoid operates. Also the O/D transmissions will require a adapter to bolt to any engine built prior to '65, custom drive shaft etc. No doubt a swap with many pitfalls and custom fabrication necessary.
Guys, I need advice. I can’t get a straight forward answer. I have a 92 Lincoln Town Car. I believe that it has the AOD. Can I put an AODE in it???? Or will I need to modify things in order to make it fit? Thanks guys
4:43 What size hole is that in the bell housing & HOW did you cut it?? AND, whats the measurement from end to center of hole??
I solved all the problems with a c4 from a mustang 70 and put it behind the y block ford57, the aod was too expensive. I have no more leaks and performance is really good 👍😉
AOD isn't for everyone. Cam is doing a C4 for the Punisher.
Who would you recommend for a remanufactured AOD trans?
You pick up a C6 dirt cheap since no one wants a 3 speed anymore...then you spend the AOD price to get a Gear Vendors OD, and end up with a 6speed rather than a 4 speed for your money and effort.
can i put a 4r75w internal in a 4r70w case without any electrics conversions
I start with 1980-92 AOD units, theres still a lot of them in wrecking yards, then find 4R70ws which are stripped down for their wide-ratio gearsets and high capacity clutch packs. AODs are then rebuilt with these components, while the useless parts of the 4R70w are consigned to a scrap pile.
I do not ever want any electronically controlled transmissions in my vehicles, thats just failure prone junk.
If engine to transmission adapters are needed, they are available, but I will not use Monster as they are 300-400 dollars more than competing companies.
I said what size sockets does it take to change a 2.3 liter transmission in a 1994 Ford ranger xl 5 speed
Not sure. I've never worked on a ranger
I'm swapping my C4 for an AOD in my 67 mustang with stock 8", so trying to decide between 3.55 or 3.80 (LSD) . Mainly for street driving. High revs on highway was reason why I upgraded to AOD. Thoughts?
I'd go 3.55 for highway driving.
@@AutoRestoMod Thanks for the fast response!
Love my 4L60 in my '71 F250 highboy. Yeah, you read it correctly....
Interesting
There are 75 and up Torino, Cougar, LTD II and T birds with 351M small block bolt pattern backed with a FMX.
looking for something like that and bolt up a 400 rotating assembly into it and swap for AOD.
Sounds like a plan!
I recently came across a v8 in an 87 f150. I think it has an aod trans but I haven't had a chance to see if it's a 302 or 351. I'm trying to figure out if the trans would work in an older vehicle without a bunch of electronic crap? Something like an old rat rod
If it has overdrive it'll be an AOD. If not it'll be a C6. The E4OD did not come out until 1989.
Agreed Mav
what visual difference between aode and 4r70w? Can i understand it without dissambley?
am i missing something? the 4R70W's are not hard to find at all the 3.8 v6 uses the same bolt pattern as the small block, most guys prefer the v6 torque converter because it has a higher stall speed
Nope. But the 3.8 is lighter duty...we cover that.
Howdy. Will an aod fit in a 72maverck comet. Cheers.
Probably, the tunnel on those is comparable to the 1967 on up Mustang.
hey folks! I'm about to tear apart my first transmission. it's an 89 AOD 4x4 with the transfer case. Can you suggest a guide/book etc.. for what i'm getting into? it's supposed to be a learning experience so while i'd like the rebuild to turn out well I'm relying on great vids like this and Gary Ferraro's tear down to help figure out what i'm doing.
We've never ventured off into the guts. BUT UA-cam is a great source for learning about this. I do seen to remember that there are a few specialty tools that will be needed. Just start looking stuff up, comparing notes with channels.
I really want some version of an AOD for my 1968 Mercury Cougar, the 4R70 sounds good but I don’t know which one to go with now.
4R is the pic for me. Biggest issue is the controller cost.
Go with the all mechanical aod, cheaper and no wiring
What about a 1970 E-200 stock 302 . ? Will that 4R70 fit everything ? (except drive shaft and mounts bracket ) What will my performance be in gas milage ? Am I better off with the stock C4 ?
In 1985 They had the Econoline 5.0 w/ overdrive auto trans seemed fine . Then You mentioned the "early AOD's" but what years did Ford do what ? and why does it matter ?
What about a 1970 E-200 stock 302
It might, but I've never worked on a 1970 E.
Am I better off with the stock C4 ?
It depends, what is your 90 percent? if you are driving around town, stay C4 it will be cheaper.
Ford made chassis changes to accommodate new introductions (like the AOD). Not sure thery did that on the E vans, but I know it was done elsewhere.
We did a video on the differences in AODs here:
ua-cam.com/video/TcsTl5ZedQk/v-deo.html
I have a 64 Ford Galaxie with a 289 and a C6. From what I understood watching this video, to keep my overdrive transmission swap as simple as possible, my best option is to buy an AODE. (That way, I will only have to put a button on my dash to engage the overdrive. Am I correct)? What year range of 2-wheel drive F-150 would have an AODE? Note: My 289 is a 1967 model.
1992 and up Ford F-Series trucks and E-Series vans (look to the earlier 1992 to 1995 models)
1993-1994 Ford Crown Victoria
1993-1994 Mercury Grand Marquis
1994-1995 Ford Mustang
AODE is fully electronic control. You'll need an electronic controller
I've got a 65 mustang with the cruise O matic, I do not like it what in your opinion is the best transmission to swap it out with. I was considering a 5 speed swap but its looking difficult to source the pedal assembly and clutch parts.
If you really want to row your own, Modern Driveline has all the goods for the T5 swap. 208.453.9800
@@AutoRestoMod thanks your videos have been super useful.
@8:00
So what your saying is when you're in first gear it is a "higher gear" than 3rd.
Or
4.10 is a higher gear than 3.00.
I always thought more rpm meant a lower gear...
Like starting out in Low on the selector then shifting up...
Basics guys, basics. 😱
Numerically higher.
I know this is an older video but I'm hoping somebody can answer a question for me. What would you recommend a AODE or 4R70W or maybe something else for a Ford flathead I already have a AOD adapter plate and I know I will need to run a management system. I will be running roughly 150 HP and I still want to shift from the column. This is going in a 1951 Shoebox.... Thanks for any input!
Since you aren't running a ton of power you could probably get away with an AOD, or an AODE. Lokar makes a TV cable kit for the AODE. I'd want to go to a 3.25 rear gear on the car with those two transmissions as the internal gearing is not as good as s C4.
Why would you want the extra complexity of an electronic system and all the solenoids?
I use AODs only upgraded with higher capacity clutch packs and wide ratio planetary gearsets plundered from 4R70Ws. The only consideration there is setting up a throttle pressure rod.
@@AutoRestoMod Uh...the first gear ratio of a C4 is 2.46/1 while the AOD is 2.40/1....not a huge difference. The later 4R70W uses a 2.84/1 low gear and the entire planetary set can be swapped into an older AOD without much difficulty, in much the same way as an E40D wide ratio gearset can be swapped into a C-6
Ford went to the 4R70W when the 4.6 modular engine was introduced because it was deficient on low end power vs a 302 or 351W.
Im running 3.27s (available in both 7.5 and 8.8 differentials) in my Fox body vehicle as the 3.25 is a 9 inch gearset.
What would be the best overdrive transmission for a 79 ford f150 truck 4wd with a 460 engine and want to used the np203 transfer case?
Try and locate a Five speed from a 96 F250 4x4 with 460..
I got a..1990 25th anniversary GT car 302 automatic all Factory besides exhaust and the transmission I'd like to hop the factory transmission up a little bit
I'd do a Lentech.
If memory serves, the Ford-O-Matic evolved into the Cruise-O-Matic which evolved into the FMX.
Might be.
@@AutoRestoMod Theres no "might" about it. That IS the history of those transmissions, and the FMX was further (radically) redesigned by Ford in 1980 into the AOD.
Everything from the Ford O Matic (first used in 1951) to the Cruise O Matic to the FMX and finally AOD, AODE and 4R70w as well as its variants uses a Ravagneau gearset, while most modern transmissions (such as the Ford C-4, C-6 Chrysler Torqueflite and GM Turbo 350, 400 and 4L80E) use the newer Simpson gearset which uses planetary assemblies on both sides of a common sun gear.
This is my 52nd year in general automotive repair and my 40th in transmissions.
Its part of my job to know this stuff.
What is the difference between a 2001 4r70W behind a 5.4 in and f150 and a 4r100 behind a 5.4 in an f250 from a bellhousing standpoint?
Nothing.
What Ford automatic overdrive transmission do you for a 460 on a 1957 Ford Fairlane 500?
LenTech lentechautomatics.com/ can bolt up pretty much anything to your 460. It's the internals that are gonna be the problem. With the torque that a 460 can apply to the ground you'll want something by LenTech that is designed for Drag Racing.
What's the best stall converter for mustang gt 2004 if you want to give it more HP
Dunno. I'd have to consult the transmission guys at Lentech.
Can you put a 4R70 behind a 460?
It requires an adapter, but yes.
So is the e4od the same as the aode?
No it isn't. E4OD is a much bigger, stronger transmission.
E4OD is a much beefier trans, I believe patterned after the C6. Were mfg'd with small block bolt pattern, 400/429/460 big block & no doubt mod motor(I walk a wide path around those) Only seen 'em in trucks. I had one in a '93 Lightning 351, and another in a 97 F-350 460.
Well thanks guys, what they said!
i have a 91 Lx Automatic with AOD Now no OD .any suggestions? Can i swap with another automatic transmission?
I dont drag race Love to cruise
Contact me direct at: jford@autorestomod.com we can deal with it over there.
What do you get the 4r70w out of for a 5.0 engine
I was just looking for the same thing. The listing I found was 93> F350, 94> F150, F250; those would have been 5.0 and 5.8. Haven't gone to the junk yard to look yet...
Ignore this joker in the other response, those had the AODE. You want the 4R70w out of a 98+ Ford Explorer or Mercury Mountaineer.
Informative vid guys Aussies very rarely build the fmx c4 predominately
I had always heard that the FMX had a bigger following in Oz.
@@AutoRestoMod No but they did come out in alot of cars here gt falcons and ltd etc but c4 was always the pick to build c6 after that
Hello, Which transmission is better, easier to put on and modify?
All have their issues, depending on what car or truck you are putting them in.
@@AutoRestoMod Good morning, I going to put the transmission un a Mustang Fox body 5.0
AOD with 4R70W wide ratio planetaries. No electronic garbage needed.....just a throttle pressure rod/cable.
@@donreinke5863 Get the same setup for my old '90 Crown Vic, also all Sonnax mods, aluminum pan, huge radiator and 3.73 rear end. With mild modified 351w it's really tireburner;)
NPD doesn't have mirror base mounts for my 70 mustang.
They do carry the whole mirror though.
What transmission fits 04 mustang gt 4.6L
The 4R70W will fit nicely.
Good to know.
Would one of the old 6.9 diesels shred this transmission if you replaced it from a C6?
That would be a questions for the transmission guys. I know Ford used different transmissions behind the Navastar engine.
Hey Jeff, WHICH AOD type is the most direct POP in for an existing mustang with a C4
The 4R70W. Using the US Shift controller makes it easy peasy.
Dang guys, $1,200!?
For performance, no doubt, but a stock AOD shouldn't cost more than $100 in good condition, if you do the rebuild yourself with a shift improver kit you're at about $200 all in for a mild cruiser.
When they rebuild them they do a complete rebuild. The kit they use runs $524. Cleaning, setup, new solenoids etc where applicable. New internals are better than stock. Plus tools. Cheap can do cheap. It's up to you.
@@AutoRestoMod I wasn't trying to imply that their prices were not fair, and I wouldn't trust somebody to do it well for $200.
I was trying to say a shade tree mechanic rebuild one of these in an afternoon, and it will serve them well for mild applications on a budget.
Not everybody needs a beefed-up AOD, most cruisers just need a stock rebuild to cruise on.
What AOD tail shaft length is required to swap from a C4?
There are two C4 lengths: Pan fill is 24 5/16, Case fill (more common) 30 9/32. The passenger car AOD has one length: 30 3/8.
That depends on the chassis its installed in.
Anything performance orientated in Australia where you want to stay classic Ford is either C-4 or C-6.
Ah, I apologize. I heard that the FMX was used much more than the C4 and 6
Not car related, who shooting your videos, they are doing a good job...
Thanks! We train young people how to shoot video as a career. It is why we typically shoot on Saturdays.
@@AutoRestoMod thanks for helping kids get into the business and they do a good job...
Can you put the .67 aod overdrive gear in a 4r70w?
Not sure but there isn't that much difference between what you are wanting and the .70 of the 4R70W and the .67 of the AOD.
@@AutoRestoMod to get a little bit more top end
Brew2l did a vid on an aod with 4r70 internals. Sick!
OK. That conversion has been around for a little while. It was actually the E40D the people were using the internals from. Personally for most applications why not just use a 4R70W?
@@AutoRestoMod yes I'm sorry. E40d.
What size torque converter are you all putting in the car?
Short answer is I'm not sure the one we talk to monster we gave them the vehicle we were using and the engine that was in there and the relative horsepower so that they would know how to set the converter up. Anytime I'm ordering a converter I will contact the source company usually and get information from them as to how we should order a converter
I'm thinking about keeping my 91 mustang lx an auto (EVERY ONE puts the 5 0r 6 speed in there...want to put in an automatic that will make these 5 speed guys think twice ..has 4 cyl in it now with a 7.5 rear...gathering all the info I can find.. advice please...want an auto monster that is also daily drivable...thanks 8n advance...
The 4R70W is good. You'll need more horsepower as the auto will suck away more horses in operation than the five speed.
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The 4r70w has a slightly shorter gear set then the aod
Yes the 470w more closely mimics the gear set in a C4
I like the 4R70W 1st gear ratio of 2.84::1
National parts depot only sells parts for their pick of vehicles🙁 no Maverick parts
Never know! And a good bit if what they sell will cross over. Our sponsor on Manic Mechanic, Auto Krafters does sell sell parts for Mavericks.
Maverick is a 68 Mustang.
No lock-up in the AOD is not a correct statement. While it does not have a lock-up clutch in the torque convertor it does have two input shafts. The smaller shaft is called the Direct shaft. This splines directly into the cover of the torque convertor and also the direct drum. When direct clutch is applied, you have a direct mechanical connection between the engine and driveline.
You guys are splitting hairs when you talk about the ratios between c-4, c-6, FMX and AOD. You would never feel the difference between 2.40 to 2.46. The only exception is the 4R70 which has a 2.84:1 1st gear.
Here is an unverified thought: If looking for a 4R70 with a 2 bolt starter, also look at the 4.2 V-6. It has a 2 bolt starter, not sure if all the specs were the same as the small block bell housing.
Auto transmissions make me sad.
Me too, the only two classics I have with autos are the wagon and the F100. both came that way. The Ranchero we're doing for the step son will be a three on the tree. I want the step son to be able to drive anything with wheels.
Not a god start to the video when the topic are Ford and we see you pushing a Chevy out of a paint booth.... hopefully on the way to a junkyard :D
Lol
microshift tcu 400 bucks is universal i ant used one yet/// better shoot a lot of deers lol
LOL we're going with US Shift. We've known Karl Baumann for a loooong time. He is a great guy and his controllers come highly recommended!
Take auto transmissions and throw them in the garbage.
LOL I agree to a point. I drove in Houston, TX traffic for 14 years 8 of them with a four speed. There is something to be said for an auto in those conditions.
4r75 is better and tougher
Could be
Monster transmissions has horrible reviews online from consumers and former employees. Why would you recommend them?
When we got the transmission the company was fairly new.
Monster Transmission = no bueno.
OK.
Do you ever get to the point
drink lots of water for the gout
Electronic transmission? NYET! Nicht fur mich!
Monster Trans are terrible, TERRIBLE!!