How multiplate clutches work! (Animation)
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
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Multi-plate clutches work with several friction discs, unlike dry friction clutches used in most cars with manual transmissions where only one friction disc with two friction surfaces is used to transmit power from the engine to the transmission.
Contents
1) Difference to dry friction clutches in cars
2) Friction discs and steel discs
3) Clutch basket
4) Engaging the clutch through pressure
5) Pressure plate, coil springs and push rod
6) Power transmission from engine to gearbox
The music make those clutch plates look freaking heroic. Great video.
I agree with others, very clear understandable explanation about how the multi-disk clutch pack works, thanks.
Good job Thomas, i live in turkey and automative student.I was in a lot of trouble with it because there are not enough resources in Turkey. Thank you man. I wish you continued success :)
Aynen öyle olanlar da eski .
Brilliant video - i always had a basic idea how these work but this animation makes it so clear. Perfect for all n00bs. Great job!
Brilliant work , be nice to mention a few other elements ( 1 ) friction material sometimes cork ( 2 ) sometimes in an oil bath , to remove heat ( 3 ) may be used to reduce overall diameter .
So I just learned a lot from this this. THANKS A LOT!
Me too! Come check out the effect of additives on this! Does Lucas Upper cylinder Lubricant help or hurt?
I have a 1923 REO fire truck and this is exactly how the clutches work. Amazing that they had this technology back then.
Thanks man, I was really stuck when I was studying and was in doubt why torque increased but the force remained same in the equations for multi disk vs single disk clutch.. after seeing this i finally understood..
As usual. You are doing a great job to the humanity
Thanks for wonderful animation. Cleared concept regarding multiple clutch.
Wow! I really liked this. Very nicely explained. I am waiting for a similar animation on slipper clutches!
The video is very good and clears all the things with a very precise animation :-)
My kind request is you can try to duck the sound of background when the narrator is speaking because the background music is bit too loud which makes it a little difficult to concentrate on the narrators voice ... but the overall video is excellent ..Kudos (y)
londe ne mahnat kari likhne me.....
Exactly. Very annoying noise (music). Otherwise ok.
@@herkko61 my tolerance for it is up pretty good after watching professional TV at the doctors and they did it worse. Lol. I've done this with music a bit on my Automotive videos, but I'm very careful. I recently uploaded a wet clutch slip problem and fix if you're curious.
Thank you, your animations really clarify things.
Thanks for sharing these videos for free Thomas Schwenke, for me, I work, study and am a father, is helpful.
You are doing a great job for the society.
thank you alot.
Excellent animation.I was just confused from the diagrams and theory in the book and then i saw this.Great work👍👍
Even in english, that's great. Keep going !!!
+indraidabagus the engine is on the left if this is inside a Ducati motorcycle. Your question is difficult to answer because there are so many applications and most clutches can be used in either direction.
But, to give you an example, look at a Ducati motorcycle. The shaft on the left of the animation would be the shaft inside the engine connected to the piston rods. This means the inner plates are spun by the engine and the clutch transfers the rotation to the plates with the teeth on the outside. Then that can be used to turn a belt that then spins the transmission and finally the tires.
So the most simple answer could be to say "engine on left" but because of the endless possibilities he didn't want to say it as a blanket statement.
Thanks for uploading this! I actually understand because of your video!
I 'really' learnt a lot from this clip. Friction between 'inner teeth' plate & 'outer teeth' plate.........
As I didn't know about teeth difference, I always thought "what the heck is the difference between engaging/disengaging those packs?"
Thanks for your useful animation.
This is a great explanation and illustration. Thank you.
This actually works almost exactly like the wheel brakes on commercial aircraft, the obvious exception being the use of friction to reduce speed rather than transmit power.
Thank you for the great explanation. There's one thing about multiple clutches that I don't understand. These clutches sit together with the gears in the gearbox and run in oil. Even though the friction disks and the steel plates are pressed together, why don't they slip (because of the oil) ?
Good explanation, so it's easy to learn, thanks!
Thank you so much for your informative post, Mr. Thomas Schwenke!
great visualization!
This is such a good video. Now I can take my ducati apart!
Great video !!!
Congratulations.
Thanks for all your videos! i'm so happy thank you :)
Very good and clear video. You helped me studying engineering, thanks!!!
Great to hear that :)
Any idea on what the issue would be if the clutch would not disengage/catch the friction zone? I'm assuming the friction discs are stuck?
brilliant. i totally understand. thanks
This animation helped me.
it took two videos to understand while the other videos Makes me go balls.
very well made
nice animation information
Thank you so much for this video! You have helped me alot. SMOOCHES hun!
Great video!
thank you so much brother
Your videos are awesome! :)
Great video, thank you!
Awesome explanation!
Sound Jay
Great explanation on it all but not quite good on the disengaging of the clutches. How is the disegagement levere connected to the clutch plates
Damn, the music is too good that I couldn't focus on the video😁
wot Its just like something you hear playing in a toilet
What are the advantages of a multiple plate clutch over a single plate clutch?
Diameter is much lower.
Kain Bastien high torque
Perfect 🤝
There's so much attention to detail! I can't wait for the next video! :D :D nice work too btw
Thank you. The next video will come soon :)
Excellent.
thank you so much thomas sir
How will the steel disks rotate??? They are attached to the case.
excellent
When the pressure isn't applied the metal plates and friction plates magically separate... Every video I've watched never mentions how the plates seperate and why they don't continue to stick together after the pressure is removed...
I have the same issue. Anyone know?
now do they drive planetary members? and can it brake or hold them?
I don't understand how this works in relation to a torque converter.
What is the force required to disengage a multiclutch system as compared to a single disc clutch system
thank you
Can i do "power shifting" with this kind of clutch without any modification with the motorcycle?
You can clutch less shift....if that's what you mean. Pre-loading the shifter, while momentarily letting off the throttle, and ill pop into the next gesr no problem, but to "powershift...AKA quickshift. You need a quickshifter, or a power commander/ Bazazz with quickshifter...If that helps
Why are there multiple pressure disks ? Why not use only 1 or 2 ?
awesome animation !!brother!! makes its easy to visualize!
which software are you using?
Thx alot. I use Carrara 8 Pro.
Good work brother.... Tomorrow is my semester... Haven't studied anything... But your videos helped me a lot :) #Cheers #Champ
Great to hear that. Good luck!
Cheers champ!
Does a one plate clutch have to be so heavy to have enough friction that disengaging it would be too hard for a system that wouldn't be bulky and heavy for a motorbike? Is this why single-plate clutches are commonplace on cars but I've never seen one on a motorbike before?
+junoguten I assume it's because single-plate clutches require a much larger radius in order to get the same leverage. Even if they were lightweight they'd be far too bulky for a motorbike.
nagualdesign That makes a lot of sense. Thanks!
Thanks man
Thomas... who has made this animations... beautiful illustration
+Subodhh Vaishampayan It's me!
Will riding the clutch cause wear or are they spaced enough to avoid that?
Great video but the music was distracting.
There is only one ambiguity that i see,the friction disk and steel plates got interchanged?
Hi. my 520i f10. While decelerating at 20 km/h, the car downshifts, and if I press the accelerator immediately, it makes a hard movement and starts accelerating. I wonder if the lock up clutch comes into play? It only does it when it's hot. thanks
hello thomas,
what is the advantage of multiple clutch over single clutch plate?
What is the purpose steel discs between friction plates? I dont see any advantage?
Hello,
I will be glad, if you could tell me from where I can download the 3D model of the clutch you are presenting.
Thanks in advance and great video!!!
ok sir, nice
The clutch plate's engage in the basket and the steel discs slot into the center, wrong way around but the principle is correct
how if the 4 friction dics are brand new, and 1 of them is the old one?
Thanks I needed this 😁😁😁🤘
the explanation in the video from time 1:57 sec. is said vice-versa with respect to the animation. Can you correct it?
So when the friction plate and steel plates are pressed together power is transmitted And when the plates are not pressed together power is not transmitted. So can i say that the working of multiple clutches is opposite to working of single plate clutch. since in a single plate clutch, when the diaphram spring is pressed the power is not transmitted and when it is released there is power. (NOT THE PRINCIPLE OF WORKING)
Hi Thomas!, wich program did you use to do the animations? 3dmax? EXCELENT ALL YOUR WORKS
+Mauricio DR Carrara 8 Pro.
great vids!
How do the spring move inward? They are fully bolted in.
Excellent Video. @Thomas Quite often my Bike Clutch Plate Eradicates, that is the friction does not work, resulting in low acceleration and some time no speed above 30 km/h, in that case i have to change my clutch plate [Changed already thrice] My mechanic told me it is due to half clutch, my question is why does it happen and how does it happen and how do i avoid it?
Hello .. I have a question that at the car clutch the disengagement is 1 mm for small engines and 1.5mm for the big engines but what is the basic cam properties that usually used for this .. what is the distance between dome of the cam and the cam basic circle ... or what is its table .. f(x)=??? ... and what is the spring K(N/m) constant .... ... after I did some not much presiced calculations I can imagine while pulling the clutch handle of a motor bike small engine: like 125 cc that it is like pushing 500 kg isn't it ? Thank you !!! :)
very good and clear video
but the music is very noise with the description
Thank you for your comment. I'll bear this in mind when I produce other animations.
what are the differences of Multi Plate wet clutch vs Hydraulic radial pump clutch?
Is there fluid within the clutch pack?
Thanks buddy
Thanks
Just one question is it centrifugal driven cuz if i were to hold on the shifter ot would disconnected the power .My motorcyle is an honda ex5
So..what's the benefit of having multiple plates? Are more plates necessarily better? Most racing applications I've heard of use multiple plates..does that mean they're not recommended for daily driving? Are they harder to press down than single plates? Any info is helpful thank you
They're not necessarily bad for DD, they're typically just lighter and more compact. This comes at the cost of complexity, which decreases part life and increases maintenance costs. They can also be used to transmit significantly more power than single clutch plate systems.
have 1976 Triumph Bonneville which was rarely used(1128 miles)Sometimes it starts without any problems on kicking(one kick)..However lately in trying to kick start the crank does not rotate on pushing down. There is severe resistance like grabbing(in neutral of course) on kicking down..DRIVING me NUTS to figure out!! HELP SVP
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The information in this video, while detailed, is wrong. A clutch is engaged when it acts as a "clutch," allowing slip between a torque point. A clutch is disengaged when it acts as a solid unit. Also, if the springs on his pressure plate acted as they do in the model, the unit would be engaged at all times due to the spring load from the return springs! This clutch would literally require you to operate it backwards leaving you holding the clutch to drive!!
1) "A clutch is disengaged when it acts as a solid unit" Wrong! The clutch is disengaged when the input and output act as 2 separate units, i.e. not connected to each other. Another matter altogether is when you disengage any outside influence (i.e. release the clutch lever or pedal) and the clutch acts as a solid unit but that is NOT a disengaged clutch but just a play on words. Even the very meaning in the dictionary will tell you that. (to clutch is to grab hold of something) 2) The model above is exactly how many motorcycle clutches work and the clutch is engaged (input and output spinning as a solid unit) at all times unless you pull the clutch lever (or pedal) in in which case the clutch push-rod pushes against the clutch hat (via a bearing) thereby releasing pressure on the clutch and therefore allows the input and output to be independent of each other.
lado saalo
thanks
l forgot to mention that the out resistance crank turns over with plugs removed but NUTS it does not turn over and has heavy grabbing and hard to go through full kick swing because of resistance.
wonder why cars do not use a wet multi plate setup?
Can anyone explain to me what is a shaft to shaft mount and what a shaft through mount?
thanks buddy
Wow those clutch plates take all of the Bresh'ah! 😀😀😀
NYc video
Very good vid , thank`s
Thx for your comment!
does a dry multi disc clutch mean it has gears (on a motorbike)
+Chantelle Smith Wet clutches are submerged in oil, Dry ones are not.
Multi disc?
Thomas Schwenke What software do you use for modeling and animating?
Carrara 8 Pro.
Genius!
Interesting