Jack the Ripper and the Double Event
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On the anniversary of the so-called Double Event, the brutal murders of Liz Stride in Dutfield's Yard off Berner Street and Catherine Eddowes in Mitre Square in the early hours of the morning of 30th September 1888, Edward Stow revisits the crime scenes to re-investigate these terrible crimes.
He also looks at the origins of the term the 'Double Event' and retraces the footsteps of the killer through the streets of the East End.
This episode is dedicated to the memory of Liz Stride and Catherine Eddowes.
I dont know much about the Jack The Ripper lore and the suspects, but I feel like I struck gold when this channel somehow popped up in my recommended videos. Excellent work.
You did!
The fact that Lechmere, as far as I know, was the only person ever found standing over the body of any of the victims leads me to believe it was him, combined with all of the other evidence you've put together.
Yeah no, that doesn't make you a killer. But yes that's also why many people don't report when they find bodies because they don't want to be suspected
@@dahlizz99 the point is that he was standing over the body for at least 8 minutes
@@johnjones-eu1rv I am sorry..were you there????
Cos you sound like you think you were. None of what you say makes any sense cos you didnt actually say anything. You mumble about time discrepancy as if you know something we dont. Ever heard of church bells??? Their jobs depended on their accurate and precise timekeeping to work. So spare me the nonsense about them having no idea about timekeeping in 1888... it is just that.
If you have some new facts bring them. Otherwise spare me....
You can't be serious?
I love how you're posting videos on the actual dates at the locations. Keep em' coming! Perhaps you could do a walk from Doveton St. to some of the murder sites
A drink of beer and the house of lechmere! Was waiting for this one.
I think if we could talk to Charles Lechmere today he would be totally astonished at how much we know about him. He was just another guy living and working in East London and nobody famous or noteworthy. Or was he??
So glad you have posted another, all that you say makes so much sense, hope you have some more for us. and you make it so easy for us to follow, thank you Ed.
I have not only been informed , but also enthralled by every one of your videos. Thoroughly researched and intelligently presented. Thank you, sir.
Another very detailed video! I was happy to see you posted a new video!
Genuinely would love to do a Ripper tour with you. I don’t doubt it would be informative and engaging. I’m sure there would be such rich discussion too.
Thank you, Ed.
I’d love to pick your brain one day, especially over a pint. 🙂
Maybe one day!
This is interesting and it’s really cool to see the locations in modern times thanks for making it.
Just checked to see when you last uploaded and here we are. Ty for another informative post.
I have enjoyed your videos on the Ripper murders, showing actual locations, etc.. Please do more!
Awesome illustrations and video of these murders. I've always been curious with these type of mysteries of Jack. You clearly make these murders from so long ago a lot clearer. Thanks for sharing. Judah
I recently found this channel and am loving it. I have one request...could you do a debunking of Aaron Kosminski being a leading suspect? Not the DNA part, since that was easy to debunk, but I wondered why you don't think he's a viable suspect. I've seen all your videos in this channel, and I think you touched upon it once but wondered if you could elaborate.
I will do some suspect videos buy I've been tied up lately
Did you ever get a response to your question?, Other than - go away, don't ask awkward questions 🤔
It is really nice to see the area and buildings and locations, well done.
Many thanks!
Keep the videos coming! Had to wait too long for this one...suspense killing me.
Love your videos. I've seen so many ripper documentaries but I'm completely sold on lechmere being the ripper. You've done such a great explaining in detail this case that I don't see how anyone else could ever think otherwise. Please keep your videos coming.
Another fascinating video. Excellent work.
Great video mate👍 I also think Charles Lechmere was jack the ripper.
I personally doubt it very much. There is no proper evidence against him.
@@historywithanders well, out of all the other suspects his sounds more realistic.
@@jack_knife-1478 The circumstancial evidence against Lechmere is very weak. It is pretty much only" He could have been there...."
There is no evidence that he was near the others when he died. He was at Nichols murder site, but we can't prove that he killed her.
Holmgrens "theory" is full of fallaciees and methodically questionable.
I personally think that there is a good chance that the killer was never identified. Or that there were several different killers and that the murders were unrelated.
Compelling case for Letchmere, except for 2 things. 1) Witness statements appear to describe someone who looked more like George Chapman than Lechmere. 2) Did Lechmere have the required skill / anatomical knowledge? Timings and witness statements could be inaccurate and the medical skill needed could be overstated so I'm open to his candidacy. Lack of any blood on hands after Polly Nichols is an issue though
I’m a layman but I can try to answer these:
1. Witnesse statements can and often are unreliable. They very easily could be describing Cross, Chapman, and anyone else
2. The police at the time were not entirely subscribed to the idea that the ripper had anatomical knowledge, since most of their suspects lacked this, and Thomas Bond thought he didn’t have such knowledge. If we go under the assumption that he did, then Cross still fits because his family had ties to the horse slaughter business and he (as part of his job) would likely be familiar with cutting up meat. This is however a hotly debated question.
3. As for lack of blood there’s also Robert Paul’s testimony where he was touching the body for signs of life. He says he saw no blood. And PC Mizen didn’t remark about any blood on Cross nor Paul. I hope this helps, sorry for the lengthy reply but I don’t have time to make this shorter.
excellent content and very well presented I have been fascinated in this subject and I have learnt much more from your work thank you.
Excellent work Edward! Quite addicted to the videos, find them relaxing! Lechmere was a tyrant
I love these videos!
I just got my copy of “cutting point”!
This is so mature and interesting
Fascinating analysis.
great job as always
Interesting video. I really like the "on location" videos on JTR as it gives us some perspective on distances, neighborhood, other points of intrest etc.
I wonder why you only describe the man Israel Schwartz saw as broad shouldered since his description was much more detailed.
I'm not on the Lechmere wagon but I try to keep an open mind and will be looking at all your other videos; Keep up the good work.
On a side note : I have serious doubts about Stride being a Ripper victim at all. I know she is included in the canonical five, but the method and knife used seems wrong and if it wasn't for the killing of Catherine Eddowes shortly after and the infamous 'double event" letter, I wonder how we would look at her now. I realise you try to link Lechmere to the site of her murder with his mother living nearby and himself living in the vicinity in the recent past, but I'm curious to know if you think Stride was in fact slain by JTR.
Hope you are doing well Edward! Any chance of new videos coming any time soon? I think there is a lot more left to tell!
Well done, as always!
Fantastic researcher
Hi. What was lechmere like at work is there any witness statements from people who worked with him.
Thanks Kevin
Another detailed account, and very practical evidence to back up Lechmere as the most likely suspect.
I see mitre Square looks very different now, I was staying in a hotel near Mitre Square in 2017 I believe, and noticed building work going on, I asked one of the builders what work was taking place, and he replied that the Square was being up dated, and the old street cobbles removed and replaced by paving slabs, It seemed such a shame to me, so I asked could I have 2 cobbles for samples purposes, and so I took two from the pile very near to the corner of where poor Catherine had passed on.
We place a candle on them and say a little prayer for her on September the 30th at 1:44am😞
An interesting account
That's so kind of you. 🕯
Great video ed. You have definitely turned me it must of been Lechmere
If only we know why his mother kicked him out of her house but kept custody of his daughter ?
That and the dynamics of his relationship with his wife in this. He had like nearly 10 kids. Where were they and why did only one stayed at his mom’s?
@@triggerskull Exactly why keep 1 kid and throw him out house, maybe his mother had some kind of hold over him and he took his anger out on the prostitutes, for some reason he blamed them, or maybe his mother turned to prostitution and he blamed them and took it out on those prostitutes. 🤔
@@buddha1736 lechmere is a hassid these have more children and highly religious they are known for their piety put them in a place full of women of ill repute fiends and drunkards
For some reason, this one is even more fascinating than the others. The routes he would have taken, plus the address he moved to, make convincing evidence. I also find these talks relaxing, though I can't quite figure out why. Other comments have said this. Probably because it's good to shed light on perplexing mysteries.
It all goes back to 'Mystery Babylon'.
We've been conditioned to
worshiping the beast.
We love a mystery.
The beast is the system.
We benefit from it.
The harlot sits upon the beast with a
wine glass full of filthy things.
The glass is overflowing with the
blood of the saints.
We find our way through the maze
to get to the food.
The journey has us under a spell.
We are conditioned to accepting war
as an inevitability.
Worldliness is upon us.
It brings us peace where there is no peace.
When's there going to be new videos?? This was the last one 5 months ago! Well overdue a new one!
I always wonder why the Liz Stride murder is included in the Canonical Five whereas Martha Tabram, who was stabbed thirty nine times, is not. The murder of Stride seems very similar to that of Frances Coles who was found with her throat cut (and had no body mutilations). However, Coles is not regarded as a JTR victim. Alice McKenzie also had her throat cut and she too is not regarded as a JTR victim. If Eddowes had not been killed on the same night, would Stride still be treated as a JTR victim?
The canonical five were purely the opinion of Melville Macnaghton
Love the Bach! Very interesting'
. I've read most of the ripper UA-cam videos.,,
If Lechmere was the Ripper, I guess he didn’t want to risk being found at a second murder scene, hence why he fled from where Stride was killed.
The direction in which the "endings" happened matches that pattern for someone who wanted to try to throw police off the trail. Police would be able to plot a direction the criminal traveled (from first victim to second) and the Ripper would've known that. He would've committed the second in a direction as close as possible to a path 180 degrees away from his house -- without backtracking.
That's what the round trip looks like. The 2nd "ending" happened exactly at the Rippers turning point -- if he was Lechmere. He would've never planned a direct backtracking route to his home (obviously) because that route was already discovered (he had been interrupted). He'd have plotted the next closest route -- preferably with an intended victim on the apex of that intended journey.
That location is literally at the turning point on his route home and his home is roughly 180 degrees away from that last corner. Even if you didn't know the blue and yellow routes (to Lechmere's home), you'd extrapolate a change of direction because he turned to his right in the last leg of the red route. You'd naturally assume he would continue down that direction of travel (and we knew the direction in which he traveled and he would'nt be backtracking) until he could get out of line of sight quickly -- the first right taken on the blue route was the fastest route home which was out of line of sight of the crime scene.
Terrific work Edward. Easily the most compelling case is against Lechmere. When my mum was a little girl she knew an old lady who was in her 20s and lived in Whitechapel in 1888 and she told my mum that many people thought it was The Duke of Clarence who was responsible. Conspiracy theorists even in those days. Is there another photo of Lechmere around somewhere?
Yes there is a photo of him on old age
Very interesting and very well presented, letchmere is extremely suspect for sure 👍
It's a macabre subject and an uncomfortable thing to consider...but the nature of the mutilations and other marks on the womens bodies are important in understanding the killer. Surely your exhaustive efforts and your presentations have found the most logical culprit, and we all thank you, Mr. Stow. I am hoping that an equal examination into the nature of the forensic pathology and the killers likely psychological issues could be given consideration. I realize that there are limitations in this because of UA-cam guidelines, but this aspect of the case is often overlooked. I am not as learned in the subject as you, and living across the pond I have no idea what London culture is like today, let alone Victorian times. But I believe the killer (Lechmere) was likely well read, confident in his intellect, and likely looked at himself as an artist. There might be more clues in his letters, the graffiti, and the mutilations if one were to take the same exhaustive look at such things. If not on your channel, could you perhaps point me to a few books on this? Again, thank you for your great videos!
That is I've viewed most of the ripper UA-cam videos.
So interesting
If Schwartz saw two men could it be possible that jack is actually two men, one a lookout? And that robert paul is an accomplice? Sorry im not very knowledgeable so its just a thought
You do not wanna cross Charles Cross
Its both frustrating and sad we wont know what Jacks motive was or if he even had one maybe he was just a very evil individual we will never know
Really good but you need a better mic to filter out the annoying traffic noise
1. To the Quik: Topic: [Local Color] & [Great Factual Storytelling]. "Jack the Ripper", a Fictitious, made up Name! Why? [Prolific Start-up Newspaper Accounts], "wrapped to attract" [Readership]
& [Start-up Newspaper Sales]!
2. To the Point: The [Factual Storyteller] is an Expert. [No other Accounts rendered in the Media] "come close" to his "expertise & storytelling".
3. To Note: [Secret Service, The Monarchy] "needed a distraction"! Why?
4. "To avoid" a [Revolution of Poverty Stricken Immigrants] that were within a few [City Blocks]
of the [Palace Castle Walls]. The "Razed Immigrants" had raised ["Hell" before its "Gates"]
only months before!
5. Great job by [Edward Stow] using [Local Color] & [Rural Surroundings]
for his [Account rendered on] [Social Media, You Tube]! @7:35 - 7:59!
6. PS: [Mark Twain] (Samuel Clemens) "coined the term", [Local Color]!
4:15 I can see Lechmere visiting his Mom and Step Dad. Lechmere and his bigamist Stepfather 'go at it' as you British say. Family argument. Lechmere upset leaves and seeing Stride is struck to take out his frustration. Stride could very easily have been an impulse kill instead of planned out. So he's 'on edge' and nervous to begin with. And then suddenly potential witnesses on the street. Interrupted he flees.. But wait, what if people saw him and could finger him. What better way to draw attention away from himself than to have "The Ripper" strike elsewhere that evening. To draw attention away from Brenner Street altogether.
Very good..
Oh my you can't even put a comment on anymore about a crime that took place over 100 years ago without youtube removing it.All it was about was the police beat timings OMG!!!
It's amazing to me that they didn't look more into Lechmere at the time. He was standing over the body!! Wow.
Well, someone had to discover the body.
Superb 🍀🇬🇧👍
We miss your videos!! Where did you go?
There will be a new one soon!
@@mathewlawton8944 he only used Cross in another inquest where he was accused of negligence over running over a child. Seems the carman had a tendency to switch names only when connected to not one but two deaths.
very compelling against lechmere
From the looks of these pictures, (drawings) makes you wonder what the attraction was.
So did Jack strangle his victims to unconsciousness and then slit their throats? Or did he strangle them to death? That takes more time than one would believe. But would explain the lack of blood spray
Probably to unconsciousness and almost death
This video was uploaded on the 133rd anniversary of the infamous Double Event.
Convenient chaos men (plural)in a sherlock Homes film starring basil rathbone the double event init somthing similar happened, let's say the X factor? Something unexpected happened? Catherine Eddows, maybe, was an unexpected event ? The body was photographed naked post mortem ? Could someone have worn her clothes that night ? That could mean she was last seen alive in the police station? There was a lot of damage inflicted on the body in a short space of time ? Could Catherine Eddows' body have been used to stage the Mary Kelly crime scene ? She gave her name that night as Mary Kelly'? The horse race being the way of payment? A jockey tip may be a dead cert ? Using innocent gamblers to pay the debt of murder ?
Mitre square got both forces in volved
I was waiting for this... You are, without question, my favourite channel. 🤗❤️
Edit: People who arrogantly 'poo poo' the suggestion that Lechmere was the Ripper, but say someone else is, make absolutely no sense to me, because there is *logically,* NO OTHER suspect that can be placed at any crime scene, at the time of any murder, or that meets the same criteria that we now KNOW most Psychopathic, serial killers, nearly always meet.
It's glaringly obvious, that the reason these 'Lechmere skeptics' refuse to admit he's the most likely suspect, is because they either have a financial agenda like a book, either already published or that they are trying to get published, or they've simply just invested years of their lives believing in another suspect, and they're refusing to admit Lechmere is a much more likely candidate.
I challenge anyone to watch every video on this channel, and the documentary "The Missing Evidence" and then debunk all the FACTS that are raised.
I'll wait.... 💅🏽.... 😉
Well said my thoughts summed up exactly
@@marieheyes1911 😊👍
@@leslierock5005 In that case, he'd have had to have been wearing only socks on his feet as nobody heard him scarper whereas the named people all heard each other's footwear.
@@leslierock5005 Do you mean Cross may have been deaf??
@@leslierock5005 A long way off from where?
It makes me wonder if he had not been disturbed, them maybe he would not have attacked Catherine Eddowes too and she may never have been a murder victim
Super!
Is it true that the elder cross, the stepfather, was a policeman before he died? I don’t know where I heard that but it sticks out in my memory. I could be wrong. But if I am right wouldn’t that be a powerful reason for him to give Cross as his last name so he could claim to be the son of a policeman and be on the right side of the thin blue line? It might also allow him to be a lot more comfortable giving his correct address.
Yes, infact this channel mentions it as well. He didnt use the name cross since he was around 14yo.
I believe whay U said is compelling. He thiught he was higher than the law since he knew police and so used his step father name to seem innocent.
Yes and Robert Paul rubbed the police up the wrong way, he caused himself some grief by doing so but was 100% innocent.
On the other hand it looks like Lechmere endeared himself to the authorities in any way he could before slipping away largely unnoticed in all the legal proceedings.
If it toke 15 minutes to travel between the 2 murder sites why was there a gap of 45 minutes between the 2 murders were did leachmere go between the two events.
Firstly I'd imagine the cilpritvtook a roundabout route.
Secondly he wouldn't necessarily find a victim immediately
Yes I can see that could be the case but would he not be afraid of being spotted, especially after so close a call on the first one.
Your map at the end is very damning upon Lechmere, it's literally a flow chart of the night of the double event, and weighs very heavily on the side of Lechmere being responsible for the 2 murders that evening, and his overall guilt as being Jack the Ripper 😉👍
..."Overall guilt" !! 😂😂😂🤣🤣 🤦
.....and of course Lechmere aka Cross could easily have been the only man in London that particular night ! 🤷 So There nay sayers, explain your way out of that!!!.
Some assumptions here.. saying he was an anti Semite for example…I’ve also not seen any discussion of the various witness descriptions and how it collates to Lechmere?
Most witnesses probably didn't see the Ripper and in any case the descriptions are very generic
Excellent work Edward, just discovered your channel and loving your research.
Whilst watching this i couldn't help but think that the Jewish and Lipski mention was to throw the police off. He obviously feared getting caught after being spotted attacking Liz Stride .
Keep up the great work.
would an old well established and famous firm like Pickfords have any records on former employees that far back i wonder
I personally checked the Pickfords archives years ago - nothing there.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Thanks for the reply great channel btw keep up the good work looking forward to the next instalment . My interest arose by accidentally discovering i actually visited a murder scene without being aware , i work for the London Undeground at night and dliverered round the back of Whitechapel stn many times and would walk up to the Bridge past the school where the old East London line crossed the Distrct Bucks Row .I can see by one of your recent vlogs it has all been redeveloped now . Liked the cemetary videos great stuff ..
OMG!!!.... That's the absolute clincher, of course!, How could I be so blind?? , He worked for a firm called Pickford's!!!!. Well, that's that then, proves beyond doubt it WAS Lechmere ( aka Cross) . 🤗.
If Lechmere gave his name as Cross at the inquest in order to throw off suspension, why did he give his correct home address and place of employment...doesn't that defeat the purpose of giving a false last name?
It seems likely he avoided giving his home address in open court.
Also he may have been known to the police under his previous address (he moved in June) and under his real name. Or he may have been known to other people under his real name as someone who brutalised prostitutes. There are many possible reasons why it could have assisted him by giving a different name which us why criminals often do it. It is a red flag.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 ok thanks! keep up with the videos, they are much appreciated!
@@11zanderman Mr. Stowe's friend, Christer Holmgren, elaborates further in his book, "Cutting Point". Only one of the several newspapers to report Lechmere's testimony at the inquest published his home address, while the rest did not - despite the fact that they published the address for every other witness. This is why it seems likely that he avoided giving his home address in open court - the one outlier could be due to an overzealous reporter asking a clerk for Lechmere's address.
Holmgren also notes that Lechmere showed up at the inquest in his work clothes as opposed to formal wear, as would have been expected of a witness at an inquest. Since his family would have noticed if he went out in his formal wear, it stands to reason that he didn't tell them he would be attending.
Long story short, the false name would keep his real name out of the papers and there's every indication he didn't want his real address in them, either; its quite likely, then, that he didn't want the people around him to know he was linked to the case.
@@mathewlawton8944 actually i would argue that the fact his stepfather Cross had been a policeman was precisely the reason Charles gave this surname at the inquest, to garner sympathy, for instance from a bobby: " your name is cross? I had a colleague ten years ago who was named thomas Cross, are you related?
Yes, he was my father..."
The important thing about this half lie about his name is that it gave him an advantage over the police in case someone was ever sent at his home or workplace to arrest him. He would say and be able to prove it , that his name was lechmere, and every neighbor or coworker would concur. Giving him time to get away. After all it worked so well for nearly 100 years. And it was not even a full blown lie in case he was ever caught.
Also there is a very interesting passage in the book "cutting point". It turns out there was a third time lechmere may have used the surname Cross, and once against at an inquest, and about a suspicious death. (The first time was at a census while living with thomas Cross, the second time at the polly Nichols inquest). A guy called Charles Cross and working at pickfords (and who did not give his address at this inquest, contrary to all other witnesses) was accused of killing a 4 year old boy with his cart in december 1876 (page 98). The father of the boy was convinced it was not an accident. Charles Cross was once again able to talk his way out of trouble at the inquest...what are the odds?
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 .... Maybe, if, but, possibly, perhaps, could've, might have, might not have........... 🙄🤦
I've been wondering if Lechmere used the same knife. The double event would lead one to conclude he did use the same knife. I doubt he would throw it away after killing Liz then pull out a new knife for Catherine.
I *think* it was believed by the police at the time that he used multiple knives, one for the throat and one for the mutilation
“Kosminski was the suspect. DSS”
Two points. Blaming Jews directly corresponds to blaming Paul via Hanbury Street. Second; the 45 minutes. Laying low sounds dodgy. How long would it take Letchmere to walk to his house, or his mum's house, or his old house, fry the liver, eat it, and return to leave the rag? He did the murders in my opinion
This is the most compelling suspect yet. Could I ask... what are the arguments against it being Lechmere?
I guess the argument against is that there is no proof. Strangely though the same anti Lechmere folks don't seem to have the same antagonism against the Kosminski, Druitt, Tumblety etc theories..... even though there is less evidence for them. Its odd.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Because Lechmere isn't 'glamourous enough'? The Sutcliffe similarity is striking. Do people really want the truth? The interest would soon dry up that's for sure.
Yeah, the phrase 'the banality of evil' is used often. The ordinary man being the killer is not something certain people like, especially back then. He had to be a toff or an obvious lunatic.
I guess also the fact that Lechmere lived a long life is a big mark against him. I can agree, but Dennis Rader and Joseph DeAngelo lived long lives and stopped killing too. They were caught decades later. Gary Ridgway also quietened down.
.... keep reading, but be selective, keep up on your own research and you will start to see many reasons that make the Lechmere aka Cross theory somewhat weak.
14:32 - That is not true! At least two policemen present said that to them the graffiti looked old.
could lechmere's step-father been the trigger that pushed lechmere over the edge? one of his step-fathers was a policeman. perhaps it was through him that lechmere learned how the policw worked.
I see Lechmere laughing at the police, laughing at himself for being so lucky to have escaped the first crime and enjoying his fame. coming home and being a father of 12 kids. Of course he was a vain and mocking psychopath.
He was hasideim
These murders have given people a lot of pleasure🤔
This has been put together by Ed, superbly and I think he is 100% on the money,Charles Lechmere was Jack the ripper
If it was Lechmere.. why would he stop? Serial killers don't just stop. You don't kill 5 or how ever many victims you attribute to him, escalating in the brutality each time only to stop and live on for 30 more years and don't kill anyone again.. most serial killers aren't really ones to quit like that and they generally aren't afraid of getting caught either due to narcissism.
It is a myth that serial killers don't stop
A good example being the Golden State Killer, DeAngelo. 120 crimes attributed to him, the vast bulk of which fell in the 3 years between 1976 - 79. Only 10 or so in the subsequent 7 years up to 1986. Then nothing until his arrest 30+ years later. The same thing with BTK, Denis Rader. Killings between '74 and '86 then nothing for 20 years. It's believed he was entering another cycle when he was arrested in the early 2000s, as he re-established communication with police. It's also a persistent myth that serial killers do not change their modus operandi. In fact, it's frequently the case that they do. BTK, Golden State Killer, Richard Ramírez, Yorkshire Ripper, Zodiac .....off the top of my head. All used varying methods over their "campaigns."
Where was all the blood on Lechmere if he did it? Paul would of seen some blood on him.
No, all canonical Ripper victims were strangled first. That means no arteriel spurt. So, the killer could have had little to no blood on them. And for the Thames torso Killer none were found "Whole" so to speak so we dont know any more than that.
Do you not think Ed that he could have gone to Broad St to clean up after Catherine Eddowes ?? His wife must of had an inkling what he was capable of she lived with the psychopath and he must have been bloody. I also think that’s why he called himself Cross so if anyone read it out to her she wouldn’t have recognised him as her husband
Another great video ,many thanks
Possibly
All good points but he probably didn't need to clean up too much because he probably used the apron to shield himself! (it's very interesting that the apron just makes the case against him that much stronger, it's circumstantial but there is a lot pointing at to him as Chuck the Ripper).
It's interesting that the apron just makes the case against him that much stronger! (And I wonder if he wrote that anti-semitic graffiti?) It's circumstantial but there is a lot pointing to Chuck the Ripper! 🙃
I'm less certain about him being Thames Torso killer?
He's called himself cross before when he ran the kid over so it's nothing new. He just mustn't want attention.
why did lechmere stop killing
That was my original question. And the answer was he didn't necessarily. The police stopped counting because the guy who replaced the fired chief of police didn't want to get fired. I just watched a video about a woman who faced a ripper-like attack that she fended off a short time after the canonical five murders. She tried to report it to the police, but they didn't take her seriously. There were several killings before and after those canonical five, including torso killings (see other videos on this channel). It would make sense that those he took out on the road he couldn't carry, especially if he didn't have his butcher's cart. Those who followed him home, he could do whatever he liked with. Then, he'd take them around his meat delivery route and dispose of them, with the human blood on his apron blending in with animal blood. If it was Lechmere, he didn't begin with the official five nor end with them. That does not mean he was the only killer in the area. But the similar killings stopped around the time Lechmere would have been around sixty, likely too old to continue hauling around bodies.
Maybe lechmere giving his old surname in police inquiry had something to do with the jews. Didnt want to give his jewish surname because he was trying to frame the killer as a jew.
Battyma n 😂
Enjoy your videos but you are wrong about Lechmere. He lived a good, long, productive life. He had the misfortune to find a body minutes after the murder. Jacob Levy is a much more plausible suspect, and your video here completely glosses over the "three men" who witnessed a man talking with Eddowes. One of those men was almost certainly Jacob Levy's cousin Joseph, and newspaper accounts of the time noted that Joseph Levy seemed like he was hiding something. He was hiding the fact that he saw his cousin Jacob with Eddowes a minute or two before her murder. He refused to testify against his cousin. Not that there is any way to prove it but I would bet any amount Jacob Levy is the perp. Crazy: check. Knew the area: check. Had a relative on Goulston street: check. Motive: check. Skilled with a knife: check. Witnessed at the scene of a murder: most probably check. Jacob Levy was almost certainly guilty of Eddowes murder and thus the four others. He was Jack the Ripper.
We will never know who the Ripper was. I can't say he wasn't Lechmere, or Levy for that matter.
However, Lechmere did not merely find a body. He was seen by someone else lingering by it at or near the time of death and was certainly there for a considerable time. Nobody else was in sight or sound. He also kept things from the police. His routes to work and his social life hang outs also closely connect him to 5 (6 if we include Tabram) murder spots.
By the way, Dennis Rader and Joseph DeAngelo stopped killing and also lived long productive lives... until they were finally caught decades later.
@@lyndoncmp5751 There is nothing that suggest he was Jack the Ripper. Thousands of others lived in the same area and could have passed by the same places. Nothing ties Lechmere to the murders of Chapman, Eddowes, Stride or Kelly. He is a witness in the Nichols case, but we can't prove he killed her.
What other serial killers did, proves nothing about Lechmere.
1 million wrong wtf is he on 💊 not one single bit solid evidence 🙄 not one ! ⚖️🏳🤣 then he says bout the writing on wall 🧱 🙄 and it was police who wiped it off!!!! His 10 red flags our 💯 hilarious 😂 what a 🌎
@@historywithanders You are correct no one can prove Lechmere killed anyone. Or Levy either. Or anyone linked to either of the cases. BUT to say that there is nothing to suggest that Lechmere could be linked to the murder. Is clearly blind thinking. Plenty has been put forward linking him to ALL of the murders. JTR murders or the Thames Torso Murders. And no one else can be linked either to both. He is just the best suspect. But all evidence is circumstantial. For ALL suspects. it is left up to all to make up their own mind. happy deciding :-))
Just a side point, but if Lechmere was born in 1849, that would have made him 6 or 7 years their junior. And Lechmere wasn’t considered a suspect at the time because the police was looking for a younger man who was either a doctor or a butcher, which Lechmere was neither although he had obvious connections to the latter occupation.
No way he had time to disembowel
Cathrine Eddows between police visits to mitre sq. Some victims killed elswhere then ritually laid out
Ask yourself why was Mary Kelly’s Clothes neatly folded when she was murdered yet clothes left by another prostitute burnt ,she had gone to bed and the murderer had let himself in using the lost key locking the door behind him when he left the heart was missing because he didn’t want anyone else to have it he was infatuated with her and this is why after her murder it stopped ,after the double event the route he took was on is way back to miller’s court .has this is key .He finally broke when she told him she had met someone else and not to come round anymore he had previously tried to scare her off the streets by killing two of her friends Chapmen and Eddows by this time the media was creating such a frenzy since Tambrin ,your correct for Nichols , Stride was killed by kosminski and was identified by Swartz and the reason why he was thought to be Jack we will never know.
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Charles the Ripper? No, Jack the Ripper sounds better.
Chuck da Rippah
I am sorry, but I do not believe that Cross-Lechmere was the killer. He was just a working man, who was the father of nine children. Not that serial killers can't become fathers as we know even Ted Bundy had a daughter. Supposedly, Lechmere had a good deal of money in his retirement. I simply can not wrap my mind around this supposed suspect. Seems like the guy was always working. If so, when did he find the time to kill? I've read that working people at this time worked 17 hours a day, 6 days a week. Where was the available time? 🕝Seems unlikely to me.
See I think Lechmere was the most likely culprit, but in terms of geographic profiling, he is way off