Apologies this one is pretty complicated. But with all the shifting allegiances, this was the easiest I could make it. Essentially, they rebelled and looked for independence, but failed. Russia and Poland got involved. Various leaders kept swapping sides, invading the opposite bank. Swapping sides again. Eventually Ottomans got involved on Doroshenko's side.
Nice work. But why did you use "Ruthenia" and "Ruthenians"? Practically and legally no one used those therms for that territory during that time or later.
@@simplicius11 Because all Ukrainians back then were called Ruthenians-Rusyns and hence their homeland is historical Ruthenia. Legally it was called the "Hetmanat" or " Vojsko Zaporozhske" " Army of Zaporozhia". Amongst the people it was called Ukrajina but Rus-Ruthenia is still found legally, for example when Ivan Hyhovsky made a deal with the Polish-Lithuania Commonwealth to include the Ukrainian Hetmanat on equal grounds as a federative national triade the country was supposed to be called " Velyke Knjazivstvo Rus'ke". That is " Grand Duchy of Ruthenia". Unfortunately this proposal was denied at the Polish Sejm, as the Poles refused to give Ruthenians that is modern Ukrainians any equal status.
@@alekshukhevych2644 No, that is almost all false. And it was supposed to be "Wielkie Księstwo *Ruskie".* And how was the voevoidship with the centre in Lwow called? There was no any Ukrainians till the end of the 19th century (Lwow). And only there, in the Western Ukraine people were calling themselves Rusini. But I don't want to waste my time with Ukrainian myths.
@@simplicius11 That is completely false, all slavic peoples in Ukraine were called Rusyny, both in Western and Central Ukraine. Rusyny is just a different name to Ukrainians, just as some may call Poles Ljakhi. The name Rusyny is mentioned in Polish legislation to describe the residents of the Cossack Hetmanat, that is CENTRAL UKRAINE. So take your Polish bullshit somewhere else cuz no one buys it. Ukrainians as a nation are just as old as Poles. Here is a Polish map of 1927 that describes all Ukrainians as Rusyns and Belarusians as Bialorusyns. pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusini#/media/Plik:Польська_карта_народо-населення_Центральної_Європи_1927_року..jpg
Ha, essentially --- fight for independence failed, region split between Russia and Poland. Cossacks divided on who to choose. Some, picked Russians, some picked Polish, some even picked the Crimeans. Eventually the Ottomans got involved. Ottoman-Polish War. Ottoman-Russian War. Great Turkish War.
Wow! It is even more complicated than I ever imagined. No wonder the Ukrainians are split in where they take cues from. Here in Denmark the 1660ies marked the beginning of Absolutism and consolidation of centralised rule (after an occupation by the Swedes that is). Ukraine seems to have been mayhem since the Mongols...
Ukraine was artificially split up, both Russians and the Poles as well as the Crimean Tatars followed a policy of divide and conquer with Ukrainians being caught in the middle. The Hetmanat was unified and unitary, until the Russians got involved together with the help of Poles that is. It has been a mess since the Mongols, but not because Ukrainians are divided. Because their land was in the middle of enemy powers and could not handle waging war on three fronts.
@@alekshukhevych2644 in those days there were no Ukrainians, they were also Russians (self-named), but they felt their ethnic peculiarity. The Mongol invasion violated and shook the global Russian identity. Ukrainians are the result of the consequences of the "spring of peoples", the nationalism of the new time. All this is artificial, as well as the artificiality of the community of the Belgians (the French outside France and the Catholic Dutch), but this does not mean that I put a negative into this "artificiality". This is a general scientific topos ("Imagined community" by Benedict Anderson).
@@tingleblade4274 To deny the existence of a whole nation numbering over 60 Million world-wide and their historical basis is called FASCISM. Russian fascism to be exact. Rus was a loosely based Empire, based on the federation of city states composed of a multitude of slavic, Ugro-Finnic, Turkic and Iranic tribes. To say we were one people then is absurd to say the least, just shows how uneducated you are. Ukrainians developed just like any other nation. Do you know how many slavic tribes Ukrainians and Russians share as common ancestors from the times of Rus? ZERO.
well, at least Severyans . half of Ukrainians have relatives in Russia, what are you talking about, tribes pff oh. peoples were part of the same Empire for centures @@alekshukhevych2644
Yeah, it's not like the thousands of years of Native American history counts or anything. And France, Spain, and the Netherlands weren't ever involved.
Not quite so simple, once the Natives started being conquered, numerous other great powers besides the British claimed slices of what would become America, New York was Dutch and retains many Dutch place names; parts of the eastern Midwest like Pittsburgh and Detroit were French; the Southwest States and California were Spanish; Sweden, Denmark, and a few other players owned parts of the Chesapeake region; Coastal California, Oregon, Washington, and all of American Alaska was previously Russian; Hawaii retained native rule and was a British client before it became American; American Samoa was also native-ruled and a client condominium of Britain, America, and Germany; the American Virgin Islands traded hands and America got them from the Danish, Puerto Rico and Guam were Spanish, and the Northern Mariana Islands and other semi-populated Pacific Islands were native and later taken by the Japanese
@@TheLocalLt Are you serious? Is it that you don't know, or you don't think I know? Eastern Europe is just as war torn as Eastern Europe always has been. They're just keeping the genocide to a minimum for now, but little else has changed. ua-cam.com/video/fTOqplOTKjU/v-deo.html
Always felt Cossacks were great at war. Even Napoleon agreed but modern Ukraine 🇺🇦 is so weak. They seriously need a weapons tech upgrade fast. Can u...? Trump: no!
@@shadysheep1984 Both Cossacks were involved in the war against Napoleon. Unless it says exactly " Don Cossacks" than he could be talking about any of them.
Apologies this one is pretty complicated. But with all the shifting allegiances, this was the easiest I could make it.
Essentially, they rebelled and looked for independence, but failed. Russia and Poland got involved. Various leaders kept swapping sides, invading the opposite bank. Swapping sides again. Eventually Ottomans got involved on Doroshenko's side.
Nice work. But why did you use "Ruthenia" and "Ruthenians"?
Practically and legally no one used those therms for that territory during that time or later.
@@simplicius11 Because all Ukrainians back then were called Ruthenians-Rusyns and hence their homeland is historical Ruthenia. Legally it was called the "Hetmanat" or " Vojsko Zaporozhske" " Army of Zaporozhia". Amongst the people it was called Ukrajina but Rus-Ruthenia is still found legally, for example when Ivan Hyhovsky made a deal with the Polish-Lithuania Commonwealth to include the Ukrainian Hetmanat on equal grounds as a federative national triade the country was supposed to be called " Velyke Knjazivstvo Rus'ke". That is " Grand Duchy of Ruthenia". Unfortunately this proposal was denied at the Polish Sejm, as the Poles refused to give Ruthenians that is modern Ukrainians any equal status.
@@alekshukhevych2644 No, that is almost all false. And it was supposed to be "Wielkie Księstwo *Ruskie".*
And how was the voevoidship with the centre in Lwow called?
There was no any Ukrainians till the end of the 19th century (Lwow). And only there, in the Western Ukraine people were calling themselves Rusini.
But I don't want to waste my time with Ukrainian myths.
@@simplicius11 That is completely false, all slavic peoples in Ukraine were called Rusyny, both in Western and Central Ukraine. Rusyny is just a different name to Ukrainians, just as some may call Poles Ljakhi. The name Rusyny is mentioned in Polish legislation to describe the residents of the Cossack Hetmanat, that is CENTRAL UKRAINE. So take your Polish bullshit somewhere else cuz no one buys it. Ukrainians as a nation are just as old as Poles. Here is a Polish map of 1927 that describes all Ukrainians as Rusyns and Belarusians as Bialorusyns. pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusini#/media/Plik:Польська_карта_народо-населення_Центральної_Європи_1927_року..jpg
My head is spinning after watching this. Hard time keeping track of all the players and the constant shifts in alliances.
Ha, essentially --- fight for independence failed, region split between Russia and Poland. Cossacks divided on who to choose. Some, picked Russians, some picked Polish, some even picked the Crimeans. Eventually the Ottomans got involved. Ottoman-Polish War. Ottoman-Russian War. Great Turkish War.
@@JabzyJoe Thanks for the explanation. Is this the end of the Ukrainian series? Or there was never one to begin with?
@@xxMapSyrxx Will be doing the Ottoman-Polish War and Russian-Ottoman War.
You can't make the Cossacks happy.
I mean every power tried to conquer them so not like there was a good attempt
Vodka distillers: That's where you're wrong kiddo.
*Incoherent libertarian nomad noises*
In Ukraine there is a saying "From Khmelnytsky to Mazepa there was no Hetman"
"From Bohdan to Ivan there was no hetman", yes.
***Insert controversial comment about Russian interference here.***
Damnit you beat me to it
Otsoa Nai Russia doesn’t exist. No country exists....we don’t exist.
Oh how nothing's changed.
@@SadFloridaMan , Correct
what's controversial about calling putin a fascist?
So happy to see Commonwealth history. Many thanks from Poland!
With Fire and Sword.
Wow! It is even more complicated than I ever imagined. No wonder the Ukrainians are split in where they take cues from. Here in Denmark the 1660ies marked the beginning of Absolutism and consolidation of centralised rule (after an occupation by the Swedes that is). Ukraine seems to have been mayhem since the Mongols...
exactly
Ukraine was artificially split up, both Russians and the Poles as well as the Crimean Tatars followed a policy of divide and conquer with Ukrainians being caught in the middle. The Hetmanat was unified and unitary, until the Russians got involved together with the help of Poles that is. It has been a mess since the Mongols, but not because Ukrainians are divided. Because their land was in the middle of enemy powers and could not handle waging war on three fronts.
@@alekshukhevych2644 in those days there were no Ukrainians, they were also Russians (self-named), but they felt their ethnic peculiarity. The Mongol invasion violated and shook the global Russian identity. Ukrainians are the result of the consequences of the "spring of peoples", the nationalism of the new time. All this is artificial, as well as the artificiality of the community of the Belgians (the French outside France and the Catholic Dutch), but this does not mean that I put a negative into this "artificiality". This is a general scientific topos ("Imagined community" by Benedict Anderson).
@@tingleblade4274 To deny the existence of a whole nation numbering over 60 Million world-wide and their historical basis is called FASCISM. Russian fascism to be exact. Rus was a loosely based Empire, based on the federation of city states composed of a multitude of slavic, Ugro-Finnic, Turkic and Iranic tribes. To say we were one people then is absurd to say the least, just shows how uneducated you are. Ukrainians developed just like any other nation. Do you know how many slavic tribes Ukrainians and Russians share as common ancestors from the times of Rus? ZERO.
well, at least Severyans . half of Ukrainians have relatives in Russia, what are you talking about, tribes pff oh. peoples were part of the same Empire for centures @@alekshukhevych2644
Dang this is complicated... Eastern European History is hard.
2:57 crowded neighborhood you got there 🧐
This is a very appreciated video on an incredibly complex subject!
Thank for covering a conflict that is often ignored. What will be the topic of your next video?
Either the Ottoman-Polish war or British Expedition to Ethiopia will be up next.
Meanwhile in America: First it was native, then it was British, then it was American. All very complicated, you see.
Yeah, it's not like the thousands of years of Native American history counts or anything. And France, Spain, and the Netherlands weren't ever involved.
Not quite so simple, once the Natives started being conquered, numerous other great powers besides the British claimed slices of what would become America, New York was Dutch and retains many Dutch place names; parts of the eastern Midwest like Pittsburgh and Detroit were French; the Southwest States and California were Spanish; Sweden, Denmark, and a few other players owned parts of the Chesapeake region; Coastal California, Oregon, Washington, and all of American Alaska was previously Russian; Hawaii retained native rule and was a British client before it became American; American Samoa was also native-ruled and a client condominium of Britain, America, and Germany; the American Virgin Islands traded hands and America got them from the Danish, Puerto Rico and Guam were Spanish, and the Northern Mariana Islands and other semi-populated Pacific Islands were native and later taken by the Japanese
@@TheLocalLt Rite. You get the joke.
rofyle it’s not a “joke” it’s basically a snarky way of saying Eastern Europe is more war torn than America which in this era wasn’t true
@@TheLocalLt Are you serious? Is it that you don't know, or you don't think I know? Eastern Europe is just as war torn as Eastern Europe always has been. They're just keeping the genocide to a minimum for now, but little else has changed.
ua-cam.com/video/fTOqplOTKjU/v-deo.html
Can you do a video on the Tay Son rebellion of Vietnam please? Thanks
Great improvement in sound quality
Do the Great Turkish war next
Watch with fire and sword if you're interested in the topic
Love the vid
Great video khnubis oh wait...............
yo jabzy. On top of music, maybe add sound effects like men marching, men screaming or horses trotting. could make the videos even cooler
Can you review, “The Napoleonic Wars in Scandinavia?”
I love these videos! Do you have a History degree? If so, where from?
Afraid I don't have one.
@@JabzyJoe I see! The videos are Excellent! What inspired you to make history videos?
Wow what a web haha
Wait ... what?
Serbian Empire
First!
nice job bruda
Always felt Cossacks were great at war. Even Napoleon agreed but modern Ukraine 🇺🇦 is so weak. They seriously need a weapons tech upgrade fast. Can u...?
Trump: no!
What the hell does Trump have to do with the Cossacks?
napoleon was talking about russian don cossacks not ukranian cossacks
Here in Poland if someone is doing something crazy, stupid, but very brave we call him Kozak.
@@shadysheep1984 Both Cossacks were involved in the war against Napoleon. Unless it says exactly " Don Cossacks" than he could be talking about any of them.
it was Germany that refused selling weapons to Ukraine, actually...
Frist