Thank you. I’m not coaching or diving but who knows maybe I will again some day. My poor hurdle hindered my diving but this makes so much sense, not that I would use the hop but this opened my mind.
Here is a video of a drill we call the "Flamingo Hop" - It can be very helpful when trying to master the landing phase after the draw and hop. ua-cam.com/video/BzLI026FVnA/v-deo.html
+Han Vo The marks on the board are measured from the front edge of the board. We use the diver's actual foot as a metric. We have the diver place his or her foot at the edge of the board, and then place their other foot directly in front of it (toe to heel). This gives you a measure of two of the diver's foot lengths. So the distance is slightly different for each diver. Fortunately we were working with a group of divers who were all roughly the same size/age, so the marks worked for just about all of them. Starting from the front edge, we use 2 foot-lengths, four foot-lengths, three, three, three. This gives us pretty good spacing for either a hop hurdle or a conventional four-step approach.
Back when I was diving I had a 4 step approach. This " Hop hurdle " I don't know how to word this properly but isnt this "Hop hurdle " a double bounce and I might have been away from diving 40 years ago but I thought a double bounce was no allowed and points were taken of the diver's score for their dive. So does this mean that this Hop hurdle/ double bounce is now allowed in Diving competition meets...???
Great question! A hurdle is generally defined as a "jump off one foot onto two feet." This has become the defining characteristic of a front hurdle. So as long as you end up jumping off one foot and landing on two to complete the hurdle, it doesn't matter if you do a hop or anything else prior to that. Interestingly, most accomplished divers using a "traditional" four-step hurdle will become air-borne before the single step lands on the board. This essentially creates a similar but less dramatic impact on the diver's ability to get height.
@Montgomery Dive Club...Thank you VERY much for taking the time to explain and answer my question regarding " The Hop Hurdle " ..It was very nice of you to do that and I appreciate it very much...!!! I have another question, IF you have the time...I have noticed that I rarely, or never see anyone doing a required dive in the Layout position, such as an Inward dive Layout or a Reverse dive ( !/2 Gainer ) or a Back Dive in the layout position. I thought they had higher DD's than doing them in the pike or tuck position...??? So if, IF anyone has a minute or 2 to answer this, again I would really appreciate it. Thank you again..!!! :)
As diving becomes more competitive and dives become more difficult, coaches have emphasized the tuck and pike basic dives as a way to better prepare divers for future dives. Because the kick-out motion of a back dive tuck is essentially the same as the kickoff motion for back 1 1/2 or back 2 1/2, coaches have benefitted from keeping athletes focused on similar movement patterns. That's not to say that the back and reverse dive straight are extinct - they still are used in some competitions, and they really stand out when done well. We recently hosted a group of top Chinese divers at our pool, and I was pleasantly surprised to see many of those kids doing back and reverse dive straight as part of their training.
Ricky Guevara People will have different answers but as a diver I switched to pike reverse and back dives because they felt more natural starting the dive and they were easier to control over/under rotation. Because the pike position was more consistant so was my score. The risk vs reward is not enough.
Darren Jr You could certainly map out the spacing of the hurdle moves on the floor and rehearse it there. Trampoline is a terrific place to work on your 2-2-2 and 2-1-2 drills.
phsopher Elite level men tend to already be dipping the tip of the board into the water on 1-meter. With a hop they would be up to their ankles in the water. Smaller or lighter men benefit from a hop just the same though.
When I was diving I was under the impression that this was not allowed. It looked like a double bounce to me. I would say girls use this because they dont have the weight and strength that men do. The ones that dont do this will have a low total dd and need to be perfect. Guys dont need to do this unless you are weightless and dont have strong legs. Imagine 2 people of equal weight, one does this with fulcrum at 9 and they dip the board vs the other with the fulcrum at 1 dipping the board. The one with fulcrum at 1 will get more height.
Thank you. I’m not coaching or diving but who knows maybe I will again some day. My poor hurdle hindered my diving but this makes so much sense, not that I would use the hop but this opened my mind.
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Extremely helpful - thanks so much
I'm just learning now, wasn't allow to learn until I became a certain age group!!!
Here is a video of a drill we call the "Flamingo Hop" - It can be very helpful when trying to master the landing phase after the draw and hop. ua-cam.com/video/BzLI026FVnA/v-deo.html
This helped so much thank you!!!!
This was extremely helpful thank you
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Im jealous that she can do something i cant working on that next spring at my local community college
the best video thanks
Cool!
Are the marks on the board all measured from the edge? 2', 4, 6 and 8 from the edge?
+Han Vo The marks on the board are measured from the front edge of the board. We use the diver's actual foot as a metric. We have the diver place his or her foot at the edge of the board, and then place their other foot directly in front of it (toe to heel). This gives you a measure of two of the diver's foot lengths. So the distance is slightly different for each diver. Fortunately we were working with a group of divers who were all roughly the same size/age, so the marks worked for just about all of them. Starting from the front edge, we use 2 foot-lengths, four foot-lengths, three, three, three. This gives us pretty good spacing for either a hop hurdle or a conventional four-step approach.
Back when I was diving I had a 4 step approach. This " Hop hurdle " I don't know how to word this properly but isnt this "Hop hurdle " a double bounce and I might have been away from diving 40 years ago but I thought a double bounce was no allowed and points were taken of the diver's score for their dive. So does this mean that this Hop hurdle/ double bounce is now allowed in Diving competition meets...???
Great question! A hurdle is generally defined as a "jump off one foot onto two feet." This has become the defining characteristic of a front hurdle. So as long as you end up jumping off one foot and landing on two to complete the hurdle, it doesn't matter if you do a hop or anything else prior to that. Interestingly, most accomplished divers using a "traditional" four-step hurdle will become air-borne before the single step lands on the board. This essentially creates a similar but less dramatic impact on the diver's ability to get height.
Some version of the hop hurdle is used by the vast majority of high level divers around the world.
@Montgomery Dive Club...Thank you VERY much for taking the time to explain and answer my question regarding " The Hop Hurdle " ..It was very nice of you to do that and I appreciate it very much...!!! I have another question, IF you have the time...I have noticed that I rarely, or never see anyone doing a required dive in the Layout position, such as an Inward dive Layout or a Reverse dive ( !/2 Gainer ) or a Back Dive in the layout position. I thought they had higher DD's than doing them in the pike or tuck position...??? So if, IF anyone has a minute or 2 to answer this, again I would really appreciate it. Thank you again..!!! :)
As diving becomes more competitive and dives become more difficult, coaches have emphasized the tuck and pike basic dives as a way to better prepare divers for future dives. Because the kick-out motion of a back dive tuck is essentially the same as the kickoff motion for back 1 1/2 or back 2 1/2, coaches have benefitted from keeping athletes focused on similar movement patterns. That's not to say that the back and reverse dive straight are extinct - they still are used in some competitions, and they really stand out when done well. We recently hosted a group of top Chinese divers at our pool, and I was pleasantly surprised to see many of those kids doing back and reverse dive straight as part of their training.
Ricky Guevara People will have different answers but as a diver I switched to pike reverse and back dives because they felt more natural starting the dive and they were easier to control over/under rotation. Because the pike position was more consistant so was my score. The risk vs reward is not enough.
What can you do to practice this skill on dry land?
Darren Jr You could certainly map out the spacing of the hurdle moves on the floor and rehearse it there. Trampoline is a terrific place to work on your 2-2-2 and 2-1-2 drills.
Thanks so, and much will do.
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I notice that almost all the women use this hurdle but very few men. Why is that? As a man would I benefit from learning this skill?
phsopher Elite level men tend to already be dipping the tip of the board into the water on 1-meter. With a hop they would be up to their ankles in the water. Smaller or lighter men benefit from a hop just the same though.
***** Thanks for getting back to me, this is very helpful.
Why does it matter? Like your turning a positive thing into a negative thing like come on
When I was diving I was under the impression that this was not allowed. It looked like a double bounce to me.
I would say girls use this because they dont have the weight and strength that men do. The ones that dont do this will have a low total dd and need to be perfect. Guys dont need to do this unless you are weightless and dont have strong legs.
Imagine 2 people of equal weight, one does this with fulcrum at 9 and they dip the board vs the other with the fulcrum at 1 dipping the board. The one with fulcrum at 1 will get more height.
Whoever disliked this needs to get slapped. -_-
Так любой прыгнет , да ещё с 3 метров.