This video is aging like fine wine. I've always said Zack Snyder is trash as a filmmaker and especially as a writer and the way he sees character types and developing characters is trash and time is always going to reveal the truth
@@cloroxbleach6039 bruh cristopher reevs Superman existand that's the good side of his Superman returns:hated becys it's a copy of cristopher reevs Man of steel: hated because it was different
@@hello-gx6oi no mos was hated cuz it was a reallly bad superman movie .telling superman should maybe let ppl die or bsing a douche isnt different .its being edgy by thinking its cool . snyder have never picked up a superman comic and im sure nor snyder fanbois .do u believe if i say snyder did 2 movies with superman without no fucking character development
The same happened with robocop! The Padilha remake brings the opposite message from the original! It's made to fit the narrative of "good" military absolutism of USA. The might is right ideology.
I never got that idea from Robocop remake. I think that film’s mistake was existing, regardless of its merits or lack thereof. By that, I mean that the original is such a well known, well regarded, Singular classic that the remake would have an even harder time than most remakes in being compared to it. If there was never an original Robocop, then the newer film might come off better, though it would still be a fairly ordinary film. It does try to tell a different story, or at least have a different overall theme and character arc. Which is to its favor. But when it references stuff from the original, it tends to try and invert them or use them in a different way, which actually draws more attention to them. Like you’re watching and say to yourself, “Ahh, Padilla is clearly trying to reference the original film but invert those references.” I guess the problem of remaking that film is similar to what would happen if someone tried to remake Gone With the Wind or Lord of the Rings or The Matrix. The shadow cast by the originals are just to big.
Oh gosh Padilha os so controversial here in Brazil. He directed two movies called "Tropa de Elite" that are about the police brutality on the favelas on Rio and organized crime. Even though the movie and even the main actor (Wagner Moura) says that the main character is a "monster", he still thinks he is a hero, just like the people here who thinks "a good criminal is a dead criminal".
@@peterp2153 The problem is that bad reboots like Ghostbusters 2016 or Charlie's Angel 2019 is not only that failed to reach the level as the original, it can also damage the reputation of the franchise as well. This leads to the audience that the aren't going trust the studio about the reboots and remakes anymore as if they are tired of it, and demanded for originality. However, if you want to make a reboot that can be done right, then you should respect the original source material and the hatred towards reboots and remakes would be reduced.
@@corneliahale7871 tropa de elite is a good film if you are aware of the socioeconomical problems of south America as well as the cultural problems, if you are unaware of the message its like a fascist movie. Tropa de elite 2 fixed that. Greetings from Argentina btw
The thing about Zombies is that they generally represent the fears of the general public at that moment in time. For example, while I did not see the original Dawn of the Dead, it took place in the late 70's. Woodstock had taken place 9 years ago in 1969. The traditional values that had held up American culture were being heavily challenged and rejected. Hard work and quality tools and materials were being replaced with convenience and the "Mall Culture" of the 80's and 90's. So of course, the zombies attack in the malls, stripping you of your humanity until there's nothing left but a shambling, mindless mass of moaning meat staggering from store to store, looking for something (or someone) to "consume". Shaun of the Dead. 2004. The fear is that of complacency, and the consequences that result from said complacency. Shaun's girlfriend is leaving him because he's TOO content with his life and has no ambitions. His best friend is a lazy bastard who lives on his couch, and his roommate despises them both, though he himself is trapped in his own level of complacency, which ultimately leads to him becoming a zombie. Every zombie throughout the film is another person who lived a complacent life; the store clerk, Mary (the zombie), Shaun's own mother, the neighbors, and finally Ed (Shaun's friend). And even after the smoke has cleared, people use the zombies for the same menial tasks that they would have done when they were alive. Shaun and his girlfriend accept a life of mediocrity, and the whole message is that we're ALL zombies, it's just that some of us aren't dead yet.
All the Trumpists are Snyder fans.Snyder fans are all conservative morons. They love Snyder because Snyder is a conservative moron who showcases conservative "values": muscles, guns, white aryan superiority, religious fundamentalism, ridiculous patriotism, etc. Snyder sucked right from the onset in "300", which is the most conservative and outright racist, sexist, anti-LGBT piece of propaganda Hollywood has produced in decades, where the enemy (the Persians aka Iranians) are blatantly dehumanized and just cannon fodder, where the fascist Spartans are glorified and quote the fucking Bible (yes, I'm not joking), where the enemies are either effeminized or painted as gay. That's why the conservatives and the alt-right love it so much. That's why the Bush administration loved it so much.
Whenever I see videos like this I do wonder how much can we blame the director, and if the writers responsible for some of this too. I mean Dawn of the Dead remake was written by James Gunn, but we don't hear anything about him when discussing the film. Seems like an incomplete assessment, if we are aiming to really unpack this.
And politics will always be part of entertainment. Even a movie like Top Gun Maverick is political by avoiding to be so. To think something can be politically natural, is to accept certain politics views as the norm and that is a statement in itself.
The funny thing is WB probably thought Justice League 2017 was going to bury Thor Ragnarok and then that first Ragnarok teaser trailer dropped and WB was like "oh no" this wasn't suppose to happen.
@@TheBaBaTV true but I do think the character development and world building has gone downhill. Avengers 1 was much better in those terms then endgame which was lazy at best(professor hulk origins for example)
these were my exact thoughts as soon as I saw his interpretation of rorshach, even alan moore has said he doesn't understand the popularity of the character
These were my exact thoughts when I saw his _Dawn of the Dead_ . Then when I saw _300_ . Then when (under some duress at this point) I saw _Watchmen_ and then swore off his movies forever.
Dudes, of course he reads and understands comics and wtv. BUT I do like he don't make his movie characters simillar to the comics. It's his vision, it's different, it's cool and its unique, and not more of the same thing.
I was JUST finishing the video and thinking "you know, all these observations could also be applied to a certain other director a lot of people seem to like nowadays" and BOOM, there goes the stinger. Fantastic piece Mr. Saba!
@MistaJ2002 zack Snyder made JL good but it still isn't a legendary film or amazing film by any means it still doesn't rival mcu at all I like that it's trying to be darker I love that and they should be making more rated r films but saying zack Snyder is the better director than any mcu ones is stupid as hell my guy
@@oldarthurmorgan6319 Yet the one that destroyed Justice league is Whedon. One of the MCU director. No MCU movies can be considered as Masterpiece unlike a lots of DC film. Too much comedy and no memorable villain proves that its a badly written.
@@death2able agreed but joss only directed the first avengers (which is good) but had help of the Russo brothers which are legends in the mcu and age of ultra by himself and that movie sucked ass so no it's joss just being garbage the proble not mcu because infinity war and endgame which are directed only by the thesis brothers are really good films so in the end it's joss wherein that sucks ass AND he made one bad mcu film
@@Thebellreve Maybe the contrast between Shazams lightheartedness and Black Adam's darkness and brutality make for an interesting comparison. Or maybe Black Adam will make Billy take things more seriously and to become a more grounded person, I don't know - but I really don't want that light tone gone - it worked perfectly in Shazam.
I would love to see Shazam directed by Zechy Snider just for the shitshow that is his 14-year-old, “It’s-not-a-phase,-mom,” Libertarian/Conservative brain.
Perhaps more than Hobbes, Ayn Rand is a big influence in the Snyder worldview, as he declared himself to be a admirer. Yes, the Atlas Shrugged, "I'm better than you so I should be in charge" Ayn Rand.
Some people on here are just crying because they like Snyder, or some of his work, so they're arguing that the author of the video is just mad that Snyder's politics don't reflect his own. (Some are more measured in their criticism but make a similar point.) I think there *is* something there; Ayn Rand is fucking garbage and I think telling a story based on her edgelord worldview is going to result in a pretty unsatisfying movie. But it's not like he's unfit to direct *any* movie; it's not like he was a bad choice for something like Watchmen. But for "Superman"? My fucking god, I can't imagine a worse director. (I can imagine some equally bad. None worse.)
i'm from brazil, so i don't know much about Ayn and her books, but could you please explain the ""I'm better than you so I should be in charge" Ayn Rand"? Out of context the quote don't seem wrong, so i'm imagin the context of you using this.
I know about Ayn Rand and Snyder only likes aspects of her ..His DC movies is inspired by Joseph Campbell...Snyder has a great passion for Joseph Campbell's philosophy , yet you haters don't want to harp on that ..
@@dignerds still don't getting the "I'm better than you so I should be in charge" quote, but he's just a hater, i should not expect nothing at all anyways
Watchmen was bad. He is completely tone deaf. Like it will go from this brutal rape scene to this romantic scene like wtf???! It was painful to watch. But Sucker Punch was far worse. It was God awful.
@@carlisle6831 seething at what lmao. His movies suck and people have been saying it for years. Snyder cut is gonna be on HBO max and it’s gonna suck most likely bc Snyder doesn’t understand the source material you enjoy watching it but real DC fans are gonna be like “wow this 3 hour JL movie where Superman has no soul and Batman is a serial killer is fucking ass” Snyder is ass at storytelling.
@Gnarrcan You haters never learn. First it was: "it doesn't exist" Than it was: "it exists, but it'll never come out" And finally: "tHe MoViE iS gOnNa SuCk" You haters just can't except the fact that the fans are getting what they want, get over it.
This video essay needed more citations from snyder's works beyond dawn of the dead and 2 seconds of Watchmen. It also should have noted how much Snyder has been influenced by Ayn Rand, rather than focusing solely on Hobbes; Snyder's repeatedly tried to make a film of Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead to no avail. How did anyone think it would be a good idea to give Snyder, the ultimate cynic, the job of portraying Superman, the ultimate embodiment of Locke's humanist ideals?
You raise a really good point. I had thought about including something on Ayn Rand when I was writing the script for this, but I balked at making the video any longer because at the time I was still pretty new to editing. The objectivist / 'rational self-interest' lens does go a long way in explaining why Snyder's films are so philosophically muddled (or just plain confused, as with Watchmen). I think this is worth bringing up in the video essay on Joss Whedon I'm planning to release in the run-up to the Justice League -- thank you for the thoughtful comment.
You're welcome! Tbh imo Rand is largely the 1940s iteration of Hobbes (like Hobbes sans religion), so focusing on the Hobbes wasn't a mistake or anything like that. I'm not sure if my initial comment conveyed how much I agree with and enjoy your video; it's really well made and convincing. Mostly I just would have liked a few more citations that show Snyder's cynicism, but maybe that's an indulgent ask of a video that's already 16m long.
DC literally has the best animated series and animated movies writers.Paul Dini,Greg Weisman, Dwayne McDuffie (RIP),Bruce Timm,Alan Burnett.Why don't they make them write the DCEU movies???
@@zhengyingli The movies are based on the comics. But like any adaptation there will be changes and his changes have some very bad implications sometimes. The original source material might be anti-authoritarian, his changes not so much.
Snyder was inspired by Heavy Metal comics that care about ultra violence, nudity, and power abuse. I dont think he even cares about any deep message. He might love rain, sex, Jesus allegory, or apocalpyse dream sequences, but that is just his tropes that he know how to play with. When we realize that he identified with General Zod more than Superman in Man of Steel, we know something was not right with this movie.
I have yet to have a positive experience with a Snyder fan. Not one person was like, "Yeah, I get how you wouldn't like anything about Batman v Superman, it's not for everyone, but I really appreciate Ben Affleck's performance, etc." Nearly all of them weaponize the tragic death of his daughter, evoke a vague air of persecution by referencing a receipt-free, "they mocked his daughter's suicide, therefore they aren't allowed an opinion," towards anyone who even mentions Superman. One person even got upset when I called out his oft referencing of their suicide prevention charity as a shield for criticism for all these toxic assholes that harass others. "That's not all of us, we saved lives!" Y'all want a better reputation, stop using the supposed good deeds of a few to defend the douchebaggery of the many. Call them out, end the dismissal of different opinions to the point of harassment, stop trying to invent a rivalry where you have to say insane things like, "Man of Steel destroyed Iron Man!", stop chiming into every discussion just to be contrary, stop yourself before you say something and ask, "Will this make other Snyder fans look good?" Please try to not be a dick.
I dislike most of his work but enjoyed the Dawn of the Dead remake because if you swap out "western civilization" with "the human race, or at least all but the richest humans, and also like all biodiversity on Earth" you have a much more factual statement than the crap he believes. The disaster happens. The world goes to hell, and humanity uses it as an excuse to unleash their inner demons. And the people who survive are the ones suited for such a world, those who are happier in it. It's an expression of a desire to get it over with and just enjoy what you can while it lasts, because it's hopeless to actually plan your life around success here and expect to enjoy a single moment and not die filled with despair over your regrets. For a lot of people, their lives feel like a prison. When their normal life is destroyed and there's no hope for it anymore, paradoxically that is hope. By letting go of the hope you have for saving yourself or the world, you have access to the hope of enjoying the world you live in. Yeah, definitely nihilistic and cynical. But, if we already were thinking about socioeconomic and climate science politics as a person when we watched it first instead of focusing on the creator's awful subtle racism, there's a massively relatable story in there of a desire I think a lot of us feel pretty often these days. Sometimes it seems like it would just be better if we stopped this will-we-or-won't-we with the dystopian hell, because we're so tired of fighting this culture war that's sometimes just a straight up war. If it didn't matter anymore, the constant weight we feel on us would be lifted. For all the awfulness that requires, nobody is wrong for feeling the power of that idea. You go bad when you stop keeping the awfulness in mind. Otherwise, it can be a comforting fantasy for people to imagine a life where, regardless of how they have to struggle to survive, the current struggle is _finally_ over. The next one might suck even more, but at least it's something else. I'm fine with such matters being in a zombie movie (just... drop the racism!) but it doesn't belong in Superman.
@@PosthumanHeresy Still one of the best director out there. I'm glad lots of directors and actors think that as well. He deserved all the success in life. Also the Dawn of the dead remake is one of the best zombie movie ever. So god like skills.
@@KelX91 Yea i now, lots of cool batman stories that a far better than his cut from different timeline in comics, tv show and movies. But its okay because it is not the focus of this film or series. Still one of the best superhero movie.
I disagree, but you’re entitled to your opinion, as we Snyder fans are entitled to ours. It’s freedom of speech. For me, Zack Snyder is my inspiration and why I want to be a director. I agree with some of the criticisms in this video. I do think he takes the politics a little hard sometimes. But with that said, I think you and a lot of people in this comment section could benefit on seeing positive analyses on Batman v Superman and Zack Snyder’s Justice League. I’d link some, but UA-cam is anti-linking. They’ll just delete it. I’m not looking to start a fight. I just want to share my perspective on the whole matter. I think he is a master visual storyteller, but the Snyder Cut is proof that he is awesome at world building and character development when he’s not being held back by studios. I think the big studios are the real villains here, cutting the wrong stuff out of his work, so it looks like that he is a bad director when he really isn’t. I think, if some of his other less well-received films were to receive the director’s cut treatment, you all would see that his films are much deeper than you think. Again, you all are free to have your own opinions. I just disagree because I know that his films aren’t terrible. There are plenty of videos as to why. I probably won’t continue the discussion in reply threads, so thank you all for listening.
It's sad that you don't understand the sheer Symbolism Snyder shows in his movies, you're one of those people who wanna watch a popcorn flick and enjoy marvel movies
Most of Snyder's films that he DIDN'T WRITE were his best ones, which include Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen. One's that he DID help write were all complete flops. That should tell you all you need to know about Zach Snyder.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 You're right, 300 doesn't AT ALL fall under the umbrella of his uber-fascistic totalitarian "euro-merica first and greatest" political propaganda, not at all, it doesn't falsify history by purposely claiming that iranians were racist fascists, i mean it WASN'T iranians who wrote the first declaration of human rights that includes the ban of slavery, payment for working class, women and even war captives, and everyone's right to speak their mother tongue and practice their own religion, in all of the 23 satraps under their government spanning three continents; right? 🤡
Watchmen is his best film and I can barely give it 5/10. It works just because the original story is great and it almost copies it shot for shot, the problem is it betrays its spirit and tone over and over in fact 5/10 might be too generous. The guy has never made good movies. If you think 300 is a good movie then I guess you're the type to think The Dark Knight is the best movie ever
@@MistaJ28 It was written in a graphic novel by Frank Miller, and Snyder only wanted to take credit in writing the movie-only elements of 300. It’s a movie that’s a product of its time and has aged terribly.
I disagree Bout him sucking the joy out of everything. I've watched Man of Steel plenty of times. I always get some joy out of it seeing as it is a Clark Kent movie (the real identity). Plus the scenes of him interacting with his mom and just how he interacts with people in general is nice
@ThisIsMyRealName I watched Sarkeesian's three women in video games tropes video's. They didn't seem that bad. Some of it I agreed with. Some of it I don't think she explored quite enough. Some of it I felt like most people wouldn't be able to comprehend the subtlety of what she was talking about. Nothing she said warrantied the reaction she got out of it though. These people would lose their minds at this one. :) Pop Culture Detective Abduction As Romance ua-cam.com/video/t8xL7w1POZ0/v-deo.html I don't particularly like what he said about V for Vendetta but I understand that under ANY other circumstance he would be 100% right. Movies are fantasy 1 in million chance that would never happen in the real world while he's actually talking about how these things would actually play out in the real world without weird excuses for how the male character is forced into acting like an abusive love interest. The Last Jedi video he did would probably push into actual violent rages. ua-cam.com/video/mWqVJZMh6-w/v-deo.html
Jack Martin yeah but he is bad at writting it, is as cheesy as independence day when the president goes all "ill fly a jet and fight the aliens.my self.woooo"
The one thing that I really like about Zach Snyder is his cinematography he can bring a comic book panel fo life, but apart from that his storytelling is weak. His Justice League cut was beyond what I expected but when you think about it, if it was released theatrically they would have to cut so much to condense it to 3 or 2.5 hours and would probably not be as good.
"Do you ever wonder how zombies became so played out? Or why blockbusters have to be 'dark and gritty' these days? Or why you can't shake that overwhelming feeling of exhaustion and nihilism when you watch a Zack Snyder movie?" No, not really
The Muslim scene where theyre praying on their rugs is meant to show how people in mass are praying for the world because of zombies, and what does a gas station blowing up have to do with 911?
No about the dawn of the dead on middle eastern and Muslim people , you see a similar rhetoric in Batman vs Superman where Snyder made Muslims/middle eastern/ African people as evil barbarians disgusting racist he indeed is with a BIG AGENDA
Nah It's funny that you come to the same conclusions about politics in media that Errant Signal (who you referenced in the video) so eloquently rejects in his videos. Even though I generally don't agree with Snyders more obtuse points, I respect his vision and I like the way he portrays the stories he tells. I feel like you have to be an educated viewer of content and acknowledge politics while not also mindlessly accepting them. Just saying outright "don't go to see these films" is harmful, especially when you realistically know that any movie with Batman or Superman is going to do well at the box office regardless of protest.
I don't like Zack Snyder either, but he isn't the only director to use politics in movies. In fact, in lots of movies, other directors use underlying political themes, and do them well. Zack Snyder is just static and bad at it.
It's not just that he's static and bad at it. It's that he takes beloved stories like Dawn of the Dead and Watchmen and completely change their fantastic themes -- the heart of what made these works so great and meaningful in the first place -- to his static reactionary bullshit.
@@RandomlyDoing1230 What 1 decent movie? I'd say that's the Theatrical Cut of Dawn of Justice for me. Thoughts and opinions on Matt Reeves The Batman? Personally, I believe the movie is awesome and I love the character arc for The Batman. What about you?
So your thesis, all comic movies should be light hearted thoughtless pop corn movies. This has to be one of the dumbest conclusions to an otherwise interesting video. I like variety in superhero movies. I don´t want all of them the same. Some of the best to date have been serious or had dark themes, Oldboy, Sin City, Kick Ass, Batman Begins, Chronicle, Unbreakable, Superman 2 and Wonder Woman. Anyway good vid, but cos of that concliusion I can´t thumbs up or subscribe.
in the entertainment world there are super heroes (creators who help society with their entertainment) and super villains (creators who don't care what their creations do too society). Making dark and gritty films so prevalent leads the fans to believe that dark and gritty is how they should live their lives. These dark and gritty films are able to change how some people in society act very slightly and over time it can make a big impact.
@@Dr.LongMonkey Thank you for the laugh. (Don't read this in an antagonistic way. I'm being genuine. I genuinely did laugh and I did enjoy having a laugh) Zack Snyder is The Thinker!! The Flash villain!!!!
I am beyond ecstatic that Snyder is gone from DC. Wonder Woman’s greatest accomplishment was proving his darkly monochromatic murder porn version of the DCEU isn’t the only way to go, and now Aquaman and Captain Marvel (using the power of Shazam the wizard) will continue the march away from Zach’s pessimistic hatred fueled view of Superheroes.
Nicolas Bazzano It's ironic that you dog on Snyder's murder porn while praising Wonder Woman because Wonder Woman actually intentionally murdered far more people than Superman, and she actually killed the wrong people to top it off.
@@damnsoda8286 A vision is a vision. Why is the word "vision" in quotation marks? I disagree that it is the worst. There are others... far, far more terrible
Justice League was garbage but it's still the best version that we've had. At least there was some degree of plot coherence. In the Snyder cut darkside just completely forgot about where he put the anti-life equation. Like what the hell That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with choosing a darker tone for your films. The man is just trying to add his own voice to familiar material, and tries to interpret that material in new, unique ways, that hopefully contain a little more substance than the average blockbuster. I don’t love all of his films, but I definitely admire his dedication and work. Zack is an inspiration to many.
I LOVE Zack's approach to film making. I wished we could have seen more of his darker realistic take on these stories, and not every movie needs to have humor. It's funny how you called him out on taking a lighter take on Justice League, and now we are learning that his original story could actually have been something amazing. Maybe the message should have been that studios need to stop interfering with the Directors, and let them tell their own story. Snyder does not get the appreciation he deserves. A movie that is remade or rebooted doesn't not mean it needs to stay with the same formula. It is simply a new way of telling a story. I feel gutted that we may never see the DCEU that Zack originally envisioned.
I only watch independent films, classic films at the realto, marvel films, Pixar films or foreign films. I simply pirate the rest. I dont understand how pirating will "help" movie studios, I understand it the curiosity creates demand but if they dont get paid for it, how do they win in the long run?
"It's Nihilistic at best and authoritarian at worst. Gorgo: Freedom isn't free at all. That it comes with the highest of costs, the cost of blood. Team America Song parodying conservative rhetoric: Freedom isn't free, it costs folks like you and me. " Um... am I too late to call this stupid and point out that this is a universally accepted notion of the cost of fighting for freedom? This was a statement used by French Revolutionaries, Unionists, Progressives and Civil Rights leaders of both past and present. Seriously, if you wanna convince anyone that Snyder's movies are authoritarian propaganda, go right ahead, but this phrase and sentiment is not one of them.
And yet people still talk about his movies In full detail So my guess you either like or hate him Someone can easily explain why he sucks But at the same time someone can explain why he is good So he just a controversial director
@@gaylordcomic But that doesn't happen in pure vacuum does it? There are plenty of utter trash things that will mean people will lose respect for you if you say you like. For example if I say I enjoy s******* in my own shoes people are going to lose respect for me. There are certain things you should be embarrassed of.
He portrays superman horrible he treats superman like a alien who sees humanity as ants he has to be said to be god every 15 minutes superman is down to earth and is the most human Zack dosen't show the light side to superman all he shows is that superman could be a threat
@TheQuartering look at the opening of bvs Snyder shows us both good and bad side of having god like creature on earth While mcu destorys city and later grabs drink on bars
@@zhengyingli oh my bad I forgot superman saves just a few people stands in the air does a t pose and that's it let's not forget about the horrendous man of steel where Jonathan Kent tells superman the hope in the light to let kids die well I guess he took that to the heart when fighting zod
Snyder is fine. His problem aren't politics, it's that he's internally a teenager, who gets to direct movies. His visual style is great, but he seems to struggle to implement it with the story in any meaningful way. He's pretty much all style, no substance, or at least very little substance.
His style really disgusts me tbh, like if thats what hes going for its done the job but the hyper-contrasted super sweaty dank grim grunge-ness really repulses me.
In my opinion, he hasn't directed anything good since Watchmen. Despite all its flaws. No film will ever top the original source material though. Except maybe V For Vendetta. Many folks seem to enjoy Zack's work but it's just not my thing. Really not.
@@vanblitz7009 Those were massive letdowns and bored the hell outta me. Plenty of better comic-book movies plus shows. If you enjoy his work, that's perfectly fine.
It did. He got to release JL only because HBO max needed subscribers. It still highlights all his weakness and repetitive themes, not to mention lack of understanding of the characters and stories he's given in exchange for "style."
@@Iden_Elihio_1999 well the problem is that the Snyder fans are so invested in this product, that it was going to be a master piece for them no matter what.
First Snyder didn't direct 300 Rise of an Empire. He directed 300. Also 300 and Watchmen are neither "remakes, sequels or reboots of existing works". So you discredit yourself and video within the first 50 seconds of it.
This was an interesting video. While I agree that Zack Synder hasn't been the best choice for the Superman movies, I'm unsure whether you are against politics in movies altogether or just disagree with Synder's message in particular. The way your video ends suggests that you're against politics in movies altogether, but I'd argue that politics is in a lot of movies, including beloved ones like the Dark Knight trilogy back to classic ones like The Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I don't like much of Synder's recent movies but I actually thought his take on "Dawn of the Dead" was interesting. (Yes I've seen the original.) Had he just remade the movie without changing anything, he would have been criticized for doing a pointless remake. For a remake to be worth making, they have to add something to it, including relating it to contemporary themes and concerns. You also cherry-picked the depictions of Islam in the opening - and admittedly, I do recall the brief image of the prayers in the mosque to stand out - but you omit all the other shots in between. I don't disagree that Synder might have been tapping into some of the imagery of the 9/11 attacks at the time but that's what movies do, though, because movies are not made in a vacuum. What projects get selected, green-lit, and how they are presented are influenced by its historical context. Spielberg's "War of the Worlds" clearly did that. Nolan's "The Dark Knight" was about how a vigilante should respond to a terrorist that goes around kidnapping people and posting videos. His "Dark Knight Rises" made definite allusions to the Occupy Wall Street movement. Anxiety about the fragility of society is not a recent concern, and not one started because of 9/11. It's always been there, although there are historical events that make us more aware of it. Back in the late 90s, there were numerous movies made about the concern for the end of the millennium, whether the collapse of society will be brought on by natural disaster, the apocalypse or technological failure. We're an uneasy species. We survive because we depend on society and a set of mutually agreed upon rules. That is arguably the basis of many comic book movies too. Both heroes and villains are archetypes. That's why they work so well and why they have continual relevance (when presented well). Zombie movies are political because they're about how fragile society is. And it's not just zombie movies, but any narrative that investigates how quickly society breaks down when you don't have a government to enforce it, from "Lord of the Flies" to "Battle Royale." To your point about Synder's message in "Dawn," I didn't personally read it as a glorification of violence but ask a question of "What would happen to society if there was no government to enforce the law and control violence?" In other words, I don't think he gives us a definitive answer in that movie. I would also argue against your position that "Dawn" was Patient Zero of the zombie trope. It was always there as a genre. You already mentioned "28 Days Later" in the video, which is agreeably better in so many ways and got people interested in the genre again. But it's always been a popular trope in video games. Perhaps part of the appeal is not just the social messages it contains, but the inevitable scene where you have to kill someone you love because they've been infected. To wrap up, this was a fascinating video to watch. I think I agree with you on many points but disagree that movies with political messages or imagery are bad. I also disagree that movies should not tap into a common anxiety. I'd even argue that that's what art is for. Without stories tapping into anxieties, we wouldn't have classics like "Frankenstein" or "Minority Report" (or any number of Philip K. Dick stories). I think they're inevitable and they can be done effectively.
platothepug I appreciate your even-handed critical response to the video’s theses, although I think it misses or misreads a few things about them. -the video seems to be arguing against politicizing comic book adaptations, not film in general. And honestly I disagree even with this assertion even under this narrower read, as I feel that superhero movies can run with a political subtext and still manage to be both entertaining AND do that subtext justice (cf. The Dark Night, Cap: Civil War, et al). At the same time, I think the video’s OP makes a very fair and warranted criticism of the way Snyder shoehorns his own political ideology into works that were originally built on a diametrically opposing political viewpoint, which leads you to wonder why he didn’t just choose something else to adapt that was more in line with his own worldview, as he did with 300, whose author seems equally inclined toward embracing fascism as a solution to societal ills. -your comment also seems to be treating the OP as criticizing Snyder’s DotD remake simply because it is rooted in societal anxiety. This is clearly not the case, as the OP explicitly praises the original DotD for the ways it addressed these same anxieties. The criticism of Snyder is not that he explored the same ground, but that he did so from the framework of a stable society whose anxieties were thrust upon it by an outside force, and that was in no way complicit in the conditions from which those anxieties arose; and for the ways in which the remake embraced violence as a rational and appropriate solution to resolving those anxieties, rather than treating violence and anxiety as symptoms of the same deeper condition that gave rise to both. It is, of course, up to the viewer to decide whether or not they feel that the OPs critique of violence as solution is a valid one, but it IS important to at least understand that violence is actually what is being critiqued. Finally, and this is just a little one, OP didn’t say Snyder helped jump-start the zombie trope-if that were the case, there wouldn’t have been an original DotD to remake in the first place-he was simply pointing out that Snyder’s DotD, along with 28 Days Later, kicked off the FAST zombie trend. And while you might be right that fast zombies existed in gamer culture (although none are springing to mind for me personally), as far as general pop cultural awareness and perception are concerned, fast zombies were not a thing to the average moviegoer before these movies came along.
no one is talking about ZSJL. zsjl wasn't that good. it was just coherent, and way better than josstice league. superman sucks, batman is god awful, and flash is fucking garbage. because zac synder is obsessed w being edgy and can't write complex characters
@@yomamaballsinmyw For a movie that had to introduce and develope 5 characters, they are very well written so I have no idea what you're talking about. And please explain to me at what exact part are any of the characters edgy? If you're "edgy" means "a serious story" then you shouldn't criticize movies.
@@jip3788 Just to answer the edgy part: I'd say Superman Heat Visioning off Steppenwolf's horn can be seen as edgy. Darkseid crushing Steppy's head too
Sucker Punch had the potential to be a ridiculous over-the-top campy joy ride but just kind of turned out as an awkward, relatively boring and forgettable experience. It had schoolgirl samurai, war mechs, and a fucking dragon yet I can barely remember any of it.
Everytime someone mentioned the movie in those list videos and showed scenes of the movie it made me want to watch it, but every review I saw me want to stay away, lol
Cause Snyder just can't make movies. The premise was cool especially if you're a male and you like action movie stuff but he couldn't help fucking that up. The guy had Emily Browning dressed up as a japanese schoolgirl with a katana fighting robots and couldn't make a movie that was at least fun to watch
Sry folks, SP is very good and very important. It deals with very uncomfortable issues but uses imagery, that we are used to enjoy. This movie is not enjoyable or entertaining in a "traditional" way. A good starting point to decipher it is the work of the romanian psychiatrist Jacob Levy Moreno, the inventor of Psychodrama. Just a few keypoints: violence in psychiatry, oppressive elements in christian culture, systemic exploitation of the female body, sale of human rights, war as defining element of human culture throughout history. If you look at the movieposter or the dvd cover, you would not expect this kind of content. But this is the starting point of the subversive nature of this movie. In my opinion, the only problem of this movie is, that it is ahead of its time, maybe until today. That said, i do not disagree with Michaels points in the video. I am not a huge fan of Snyders work, especially the recent one, but Sucker Punch deserves a video with a huge red "THEY WERE WRONG" on the thumbnail. ; )
Snyder is an okay director at best, he's good with visuals and CGI. He's good with atmosphere and world building but he can't see it through. Especially compared to others like Whedon, Nolan or Del Toro, Snyder's "Action" movies especially are incredibly unsatisfying. They're so poorly paced blandly choreographed. He needs to stick to trivial popcorn flicks like 300 and leave monumental films like Superman and Justice League to more capable directors.
@Mr Temporal war war war war o yes lokk how moral politics is lol can u not tell when ur being lied to or somthing. poltics is control thats it. now if ur ok with being controled ok each to there own but if u wish to try an live as free as possible dont vote dont play the game. dont worry about hobbs hes was an idiot in a time of religious morons an irish genocide. all the political thinking needed is just try not to be a cunt if we had vote on that it'd be the end of politics. rip the people hobbs book killed in the name of lies
Yes the synercut was just a set up for a film that needed 3 or more films to tell a story. It's not even leading to a good story. He wants to have DC go edge lord and its annoying as hell
Oh no edgy Batman, he’s never edgy😐 And Man of Steel was grounded showing a more realistic Superman origin, and then in Justice League Superman is boyscout
I see the flaws in his work but regardless I like it. Interesting visuals/visual storytelling and dark yet engaging moments. He is a very rare director. For better or worse. He's still better than Micheal bay, Joel Shoemaker and Josh Wheaden at least imo. Art is subjective.
Zack took my all time favorite zombie movie and completely perverted it. He took it's messages of the dangers of mindless consumerism, humanity's willingness to fight amongst each other during tough times, and made it about god punishing sinners or whatever. He completely ruined one of my all time favorite movies and either intentionally or unintentionally missed the point of the zombies in the first place.
The zombie outbreak in the remake was NEVER explained. I've watched that movie SEVERAL times and NEVER got the feeling that he was trying to make some stupid religious message. That's YOU that is projecting that, moron.
While the revelation that Zack Snyder ascribes to Randian philosophy seems to support your thesis. The presence of his authoritarian cynicism isn't nearly as clear cut as you make out. For example, at one point in the "Dawn" remake the characters _do_ get tired of their consumerist castle, they drop everything they're doing to rescue the (evidently now, helpless) gun store owner across the street from them, and they decide to do these things together. The Sarah Polly character is depicted as smart and capable, she - and some of the others - are locked up by the authoritarian CJ, whose individual leadership skills are found wanting. Eventually he learns a valuable lesson about trust, and behaves selflessly for the betterment of the group, even to the point of sacrificing his life. In many ways it hurts your theory to use Dawn of the Dead as the central example, when you consider that it is easily his most "hopeful" and "positive" movie (despite it's 'secret' ending.) However, Watchmen is another example. Most people have used Ozymandias' "victory" at the end of the movie as a springboard to critique the way Zack Snyder's political views sneak into his movies, because Ozzy seems like an ideal Randian character. You specifically cite the absence of a guilt ridden monologue - except you _don't_ relay whether that monologue was specifically absent from David Hayter's original draft of the script. Which was hailed as an accomplishment for how well it pieced together most of the elements of the original comic, in a semi-timely fashion. Meaning it might have been cut for time. You ignore that the equally fascist Comedian _does_ have a guilt ridden monologue, he's depicted as a broken man, who finally sees how things can go too far. - And the not terribly better Rorschach becomes instrumental in bringing to light the atrocities of Ozymandias, when in the final shot of the movie, his journal is depicted entering a press room. An act of defiance against an authority figure. By the end of the movie, both Ozymandias and Dr. Manhattan or in some way proven wrong, and nobody of any note is ever proven right. All of Sucker Punch is about distrust of authority, and the invasion of people who abuse it. Over on Redlettermedia Previously Recorded discussed how Superman is depicted as this godlike icon, whose parents specifically suggest that he shouldn't save people, because hiding your specialness from others is important. Except, Superman doesn't hide, and he does choose to save people. Most of Snyder's movies seem to be counter to his political philosophy, in one way or another, which might explain why he rarely depicts any philosophy very well.
So basically he's not incompetent, you just disagree with his politics and prefer brainless movies like Deadpool yeeeah, hope you're happy you kinda won. DC destroyed their universe with stupid un-political movies.
@@curly_wyn he did say Snyder is not incompetent. Did say that his movies are influenced by his political views. Did say that unpolitical movies are better
I think I'm the only person watching this video who clocked the Rihanna in the background
Mina F What
What about OutKast and Killer Mike?
I missed Rihanna, but Eno at the end, nice touch...👌
Ohhh compelet marvel boy!!! Don't wanna see outside of his chilidish fantsy movies..
I'm did too....
This video is aging like fine wine. I've always said Zack Snyder is trash as a filmmaker and especially as a writer and the way he sees character types and developing characters is trash and time is always going to reveal the truth
"The 2010s have been a pretty crap decade so far."
Oh you sweet summer child.
Let's only hope 2020 isn't a sign for things to come.
Starting with 2021, hopefully things will go up from there.
@@RYMAN1321 lol, you're all completely and totally fucked
CoronaMage well given that millennials don’t run any major nations. It’s gen x and boomers fucking the world
@@CoronaMage Unless you're an alien or something and don't live on planet Earth, you're fucked too.
Laughs in every Cold War decade (okay, maybe the 2020s will be bad, but not CW-level bad).
Why WB and DC agreed to hire a director to direct their movie but has no passion on comics is so puzzling to me.
Nolan suggested them !!
@@omjadhav9128 i think they wanted somene who was willing to emulate the tone of nolans batman movies.
He has pasdion for Frank Miller comics only.
@@omjadhav9128 well nolan is a damn fool
Bro, Zack has so much passion.
Snyder tries too hard to be edgy and it is annoying. Just look at the way he depicts Batman and Superman.
Batman killing and Superman not kind I mean wtf? We still haven’t had a live action of Superman’s nice side literally
@@cloroxbleach6039 bruh cristopher reevs Superman existand that's the good side of his
Superman returns:hated becys it's a copy of cristopher reevs
Man of steel: hated because it was different
@@hello-gx6oi no mos was hated cuz it was a reallly bad superman movie .telling superman should maybe let ppl die or bsing a douche isnt different .its being edgy by thinking its cool . snyder have never picked up a superman comic and im sure nor snyder fanbois .do u believe if i say snyder did 2 movies with superman without no fucking character development
@@herloss448 you missed the whole point of the movie lol
@@hello-gx6oi Don't bother. This dude is an idiot and can't form a proper sentence to save his life. I've talked to him a couple times before.
The same happened with robocop! The Padilha remake brings the opposite message from the original! It's made to fit the narrative of "good" military absolutism of USA. The might is right ideology.
I never got that idea from Robocop remake. I think that film’s mistake was existing, regardless of its merits or lack thereof.
By that, I mean that the original is such a well known, well regarded,
Singular classic that the remake would have an even harder time than most remakes in being compared to it. If there was never an original Robocop, then the newer film might come off better, though it would still be a fairly ordinary film.
It does try to tell a different story, or at least have a different overall theme and character arc. Which is to its favor. But when it references stuff from the original, it tends to try and invert them or use them in a different way, which actually draws more attention to them. Like you’re watching and say to yourself, “Ahh, Padilla is clearly trying to reference the original film but invert those references.”
I guess the problem of remaking that film is similar to what would happen if someone tried to remake Gone With the Wind or Lord of the Rings or The Matrix.
The shadow cast by the originals are just to big.
Oh gosh Padilha os so controversial here in Brazil. He directed two movies called "Tropa de Elite" that are about the police brutality on the favelas on Rio and organized crime. Even though the movie and even the main actor (Wagner Moura) says that the main character is a "monster", he still thinks he is a hero, just like the people here who thinks "a good criminal is a dead criminal".
@@corneliahale7871 I never thought he's controversial in his home country. That's a revelation to me.
@@peterp2153 The problem is that bad reboots like Ghostbusters 2016 or Charlie's Angel 2019 is not only that failed to reach the level as the original, it can also damage the reputation of the franchise as well. This leads to the audience that the aren't going trust the studio about the reboots and remakes anymore as if they are tired of it, and demanded for originality. However, if you want to make a reboot that can be done right, then you should respect the original source material and the hatred towards reboots and remakes would be reduced.
@@corneliahale7871 tropa de elite is a good film if you are aware of the socioeconomical problems of south America as well as the cultural problems, if you are unaware of the message its like a fascist movie. Tropa de elite 2 fixed that. Greetings from Argentina btw
It’s crazy how one man could destroy the prospects for an entire cinematic universe through one movie
Eobard Thawne!
BINGO!!!
It was a combined effort of Man of Steel, BVS, and Justice League.
@@mosesoftheblock2311 it was a combined effort of all you stupid MCU and dcau stans not getting it
Yeah Warner Brothers.
The thing about Zombies is that they generally represent the fears of the general public at that moment in time. For example, while I did not see the original Dawn of the Dead, it took place in the late 70's.
Woodstock had taken place 9 years ago in 1969. The traditional values that had held up American culture were being heavily challenged and rejected. Hard work and quality tools and materials were being replaced with convenience and the "Mall Culture" of the 80's and 90's. So of course, the zombies attack in the malls, stripping you of your humanity until there's nothing left but a shambling, mindless mass of moaning meat staggering from store to store, looking for something (or someone) to "consume".
Shaun of the Dead. 2004. The fear is that of complacency, and the consequences that result from said complacency. Shaun's girlfriend is leaving him because he's TOO content with his life and has no ambitions. His best friend is a lazy bastard who lives on his couch, and his roommate despises them both, though he himself is trapped in his own level of complacency, which ultimately leads to him becoming a zombie.
Every zombie throughout the film is another person who lived a complacent life; the store clerk, Mary (the zombie), Shaun's own mother, the neighbors, and finally Ed (Shaun's friend). And even after the smoke has cleared, people use the zombies for the same menial tasks that they would have done when they were alive. Shaun and his girlfriend accept a life of mediocrity, and the whole message is that we're ALL zombies, it's just that some of us aren't dead yet.
> 1k likes
> 1k dislikes
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
@ThisIsMyRealName thats two evils tho
Obama spaghetti toilet sauce literally how did what he said made sense. How about centre-left dems and centre-right republicans.
2k likes now
All the Trumpists are Snyder fans.Snyder fans are all conservative morons. They love Snyder because Snyder is a conservative moron who showcases conservative "values": muscles, guns, white aryan superiority, religious fundamentalism, ridiculous patriotism, etc. Snyder sucked right from the onset in "300", which is the most conservative and outright racist, sexist, anti-LGBT piece of propaganda Hollywood has produced in decades, where the enemy (the Persians aka Iranians) are blatantly dehumanized and just cannon fodder, where the fascist Spartans are glorified and quote the fucking Bible (yes, I'm not joking), where the enemies are either effeminized or painted as gay. That's why the conservatives and the alt-right love it so much. That's why the Bush administration loved it so much.
@tubbyconnorapparatus9764
😅😅 People don't agree or like a something and they are automatically Snyder fans and bots
Whenever I see videos like this I do wonder how much can we blame the director, and if the writers responsible for some of this too. I mean Dawn of the Dead remake was written by James Gunn, but we don't hear anything about him when discussing the film. Seems like an incomplete assessment, if we are aiming to really unpack this.
And politics will always be part of entertainment. Even a movie like Top Gun Maverick is political by avoiding to be so. To think something can be politically natural, is to accept certain politics views as the norm and that is a statement in itself.
This is usually not the screenwriter fault. Most of it is directing and editing
Thor Ragnarok sales compared to Justice League make this video prophetic. Great analysis man!
Lol 😂🤣😂🤣 that says more about people being shallow than the movie as much as it wasn't the original idea
The funny thing is WB probably thought Justice League 2017 was going to bury Thor Ragnarok and then that first Ragnarok teaser trailer dropped and WB was like "oh no" this wasn't suppose to happen.
@@TheBaBaTV true but I do think the character development and world building has gone downhill. Avengers 1 was much better in those terms then endgame which was lazy at best(professor hulk origins for example)
If you didn't watch Thor Ragnarok, yes Professor Hulk backstory would seem lazy to you
@@0x0michael Thor ragnarok hulk plot works with the original professor hulk origins and not the 2nd one they filmed that became endgame origins
these were my exact thoughts as soon as I saw his interpretation of rorshach, even alan moore has said he doesn't understand the popularity of the character
He totally missed the whole point of the fucking book lmao. He’s literally only read Frank Miller shit.
@@gnarrcan108 And he doesn't even understand Frank Miller, either... He thought _The Dark Knight Returns_ was filled with Batman murdering people.
These were my exact thoughts when I saw his _Dawn of the Dead_ . Then when I saw _300_ . Then when (under some duress at this point) I saw _Watchmen_ and then swore off his movies forever.
Dudes, of course he reads and understands comics and wtv. BUT I do like he don't make his movie characters simillar to the comics. It's his vision, it's different, it's cool and its unique, and not more of the same thing.
@@jorgecortinhal7654 he absolutely doesn't. Im fine with adaptation, but his film can't really be called watchmen. It's theme is the exact opposite.
I was JUST finishing the video and thinking "you know, all these observations could also be applied to a certain other director a lot of people seem to like nowadays" and BOOM, there goes the stinger. Fantastic piece Mr. Saba!
Which director was that?
Who is it Micheal bay. They went to film school together i heard lol
Lol same.
@@andrewmaingi255 Christopher Nolan
Hey, Zack Snyder doesn't ruin everything. There are some movies he wasn't allowed to touch.
And what are those
@@rekhamangairkarasi9801 Citizen Kane and The Room
@@Thebellreve dceu sucks.
@@Thebellreve yeah thats why it failed and needs a reboot
That is why James was directed aquaman
Snyder is not a director, is a slowmo machine.
@General Skywalker In my opinion yes
@MistaJ2002 Jon Favreau, James Gunn and Anthony and Joe Russo: Hold our beer
@MistaJ2002 zack Snyder made JL good but it still isn't a legendary film or amazing film by any means it still doesn't rival mcu at all I like that it's trying to be darker I love that and they should be making more rated r films but saying zack Snyder is the better director than any mcu ones is stupid as hell my guy
@@oldarthurmorgan6319 Yet the one that destroyed Justice league is Whedon. One of the MCU director. No MCU movies can be considered as Masterpiece unlike a lots of DC film. Too much comedy and no memorable villain proves that its a badly written.
@@death2able agreed but joss only directed the first avengers (which is good) but had help of the Russo brothers which are legends in the mcu and age of ultra by himself and that movie sucked ass so no it's joss just being garbage the proble not mcu because infinity war and endgame which are directed only by the thesis brothers are really good films so in the end it's joss wherein that sucks ass AND he made one bad mcu film
Just watched "Twilight of the Gods ", Zack directed the last episode and it was the worst by a mile. I was enjoying the series till the end.
Shazam is a great example of a DC movie as its super light hearted and fun. It would have been a disaster if Snyder directed that film!
@@Thebellreve Maybe the contrast between Shazams lightheartedness and Black Adam's darkness and brutality make for an interesting comparison. Or maybe Black Adam will make Billy take things more seriously and to become a more grounded person, I don't know - but I really don't want that light tone gone - it worked perfectly in Shazam.
@@gdaugvst and that was what bvs war supposed to be.
I already saw Shazam if directed by Zack Snyder. It was called Man of Steel and it was awesome.
I would love to see Shazam directed by Zechy Snider just for the shitshow that is his 14-year-old, “It’s-not-a-phase,-mom,” Libertarian/Conservative brain.
@@theunknowncommenter725 you mean it was hot trash.
Perhaps more than Hobbes, Ayn Rand is a big influence in the Snyder worldview, as he declared himself to be a admirer.
Yes, the Atlas Shrugged, "I'm better than you so I should be in charge" Ayn Rand.
Some people on here are just crying because they like Snyder, or some of his work, so they're arguing that the author of the video is just mad that Snyder's politics don't reflect his own. (Some are more measured in their criticism but make a similar point.)
I think there *is* something there; Ayn Rand is fucking garbage and I think telling a story based on her edgelord worldview is going to result in a pretty unsatisfying movie. But it's not like he's unfit to direct *any* movie; it's not like he was a bad choice for something like Watchmen.
But for "Superman"? My fucking god, I can't imagine a worse director. (I can imagine some equally bad. None worse.)
i'm from brazil, so i don't know much about Ayn and her books, but could you please explain the ""I'm better than you so I should be in charge" Ayn Rand"? Out of context the quote don't seem wrong, so i'm imagin the context of you using this.
I know about Ayn Rand and Snyder only likes aspects of her ..His DC movies is inspired by Joseph Campbell...Snyder has a great passion for Joseph Campbell's philosophy , yet you haters don't want to harp on that ..
@@dignerds still don't getting the "I'm better than you so I should be in charge" quote, but he's just a hater, i should not expect nothing at all anyways
@@SchulzEricT I'd say he was a bad choice even for Watchmen. The 300 however...
Snyder Snidini Lupus Est.
I lost it when Guinan popped up. This is pure gold!
This vid is trash
Watchmen was one of the worst movies made in the last 30 years. I was cringing practically the whole time I was watching it.
Agreed, it did not understand the source material at all
Watchmen was bad. He is completely tone deaf. Like it will go from this brutal rape scene to this romantic scene like wtf???! It was painful to watch. But Sucker Punch was far worse. It was God awful.
wasn't deadpool fox?
PejmanMan I was with him until he said that.
It's says ** And 20th Century Fox in the top left corner.
@@parker469a Also, Disney promptly bought Fox, so now they profit from all of it.
He is fucking annoying . I mean he just wanna watch these marvel movies. I also like them but they are kinda childish. Some of them are pretty good
Not anymore
#ReleaseTheSnydercut !
We won 😂 losers like him are seething lmao
@@carlisle6831 seething at what lmao. His movies suck and people have been saying it for years. Snyder cut is gonna be on HBO max and it’s gonna suck most likely bc Snyder doesn’t understand the source material you enjoy watching it but real DC fans are gonna be like “wow this 3 hour JL movie where Superman has no soul and Batman is a serial killer is fucking ass” Snyder is ass at storytelling.
@Gnarrcan
You haters never learn.
First it was: "it doesn't exist"
Than it was: "it exists, but it'll never come out"
And finally: "tHe MoViE iS gOnNa SuCk"
You haters just can't except the fact that the fans are getting what they want, get over it.
@@gnarrcan108 the film will be 4 hours long 🤦🏻♂️ atleast know what you’re speaking about before you come off as a fucking idiot
@@gnarrcan108 go and watch marvel film !! Don't interfere in dc
Snyder - NOT a fan! Don’t like his movies
This video essay needed more citations from snyder's works beyond dawn of the dead and 2 seconds of Watchmen. It also should have noted how much Snyder has been influenced by Ayn Rand, rather than focusing solely on Hobbes; Snyder's repeatedly tried to make a film of Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead to no avail. How did anyone think it would be a good idea to give Snyder, the ultimate cynic, the job of portraying Superman, the ultimate embodiment of Locke's humanist ideals?
You raise a really good point. I had thought about including something on Ayn Rand when I was writing the script for this, but I balked at making the video any longer because at the time I was still pretty new to editing. The objectivist / 'rational self-interest' lens does go a long way in explaining why Snyder's films are so philosophically muddled (or just plain confused, as with Watchmen).
I think this is worth bringing up in the video essay on Joss Whedon I'm planning to release in the run-up to the Justice League -- thank you for the thoughtful comment.
You're welcome! Tbh imo Rand is largely the 1940s iteration of Hobbes (like Hobbes sans religion), so focusing on the Hobbes wasn't a mistake or anything like that. I'm not sure if my initial comment conveyed how much I agree with and enjoy your video; it's really well made and convincing. Mostly I just would have liked a few more citations that show Snyder's cynicism, but maybe that's an indulgent ask of a video that's already 16m long.
@@jasonb6860 Pretty sure Hobbes would have hated Rand and seen her ideal society as just another form of the State of Nature.
That’s so embarrassing maybe it’s a good thing this was left out 😭
DC literally has the best animated series and animated movies writers.Paul Dini,Greg Weisman, Dwayne McDuffie (RIP),Bruce Timm,Alan Burnett.Why don't they make them write the DCEU movies???
Because Chris Terrio is a better writer.
you know what happened if they did, like geoff johns
@@zhengyingli 🤮
@@herloss448 I don't know about that. Argo, BvS and the Snyder Cut are pretty awesome.
@@zhengyingli Not better, but so far just about as good with DC stuff. All excellent
Holy shit this video aged like a fine wine
Zack Snyder is like Micheal Bay. If Micheal Bay was pretentious.
nahh
Michael Bay Lite
Micheal bay IS pretentious
@@somandlanigel416 Elaborate
Don't let Snyder get his hands on Injustice. He'd probably try to convince us that Superman is the good guy in that situation
What makes you think that?
@@zhengyingli He clearly loves authoritarianism
@@---gj3qn What do you mean? MoS and BvS are blatantly anti-authoritarianism.
@@zhengyingli Did you watch the whole video? He doesn't handle the topic all that well.
@@zhengyingli The movies are based on the comics. But like any adaptation there will be changes and his changes have some very bad implications sometimes. The original source material might be anti-authoritarian, his changes not so much.
Snyder was inspired by Heavy Metal comics that care about ultra violence, nudity, and power abuse. I dont think he even cares about any deep message. He might love rain, sex, Jesus allegory, or apocalpyse dream sequences, but that is just his tropes that he know how to play with.
When we realize that he identified with General Zod more than Superman in Man of Steel, we know something was not right with this movie.
Honestly, considering the movies that we have available to watch, why the *fuck* would you watch a Zack Snyder movie?
Alex Delarge him and nolan are my favorite directors
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Gross lol
that was fox not Disney regarding Deadpool 1 & 2 15:28
Let's be honest, we shouldn't blame Zack Snyder for ruining DC, it's Warner Bros we should blame.
I don't know, all the entirely non-Snyder DC movies in recent times have been good, and rather well received.
No Snyder is also part of the problem you just don’t wanna admit it
Well
This video has aged bad
The Snyder Cut wasn’t that good, chill
@@curly_wyn This feels like spam
What are you talking about? It's as relevant then as it is today.
I have yet to have a positive experience with a Snyder fan. Not one person was like, "Yeah, I get how you wouldn't like anything about Batman v Superman, it's not for everyone, but I really appreciate Ben Affleck's performance, etc." Nearly all of them weaponize the tragic death of his daughter, evoke a vague air of persecution by referencing a receipt-free, "they mocked his daughter's suicide, therefore they aren't allowed an opinion," towards anyone who even mentions Superman. One person even got upset when I called out his oft referencing of their suicide prevention charity as a shield for criticism for all these toxic assholes that harass others. "That's not all of us, we saved lives!" Y'all want a better reputation, stop using the supposed good deeds of a few to defend the douchebaggery of the many. Call them out, end the dismissal of different opinions to the point of harassment, stop trying to invent a rivalry where you have to say insane things like, "Man of Steel destroyed Iron Man!", stop chiming into every discussion just to be contrary, stop yourself before you say something and ask, "Will this make other Snyder fans look good?" Please try to not be a dick.
I always love snyder movies. Hoping for justice part 2. He's a great director.
@@death2able You should watch world finest batman...it makes ZS batman a lazy billionaire..batman can do so much better
I dislike most of his work but enjoyed the Dawn of the Dead remake because if you swap out "western civilization" with "the human race, or at least all but the richest humans, and also like all biodiversity on Earth" you have a much more factual statement than the crap he believes. The disaster happens. The world goes to hell, and humanity uses it as an excuse to unleash their inner demons. And the people who survive are the ones suited for such a world, those who are happier in it. It's an expression of a desire to get it over with and just enjoy what you can while it lasts, because it's hopeless to actually plan your life around success here and expect to enjoy a single moment and not die filled with despair over your regrets. For a lot of people, their lives feel like a prison. When their normal life is destroyed and there's no hope for it anymore, paradoxically that is hope. By letting go of the hope you have for saving yourself or the world, you have access to the hope of enjoying the world you live in. Yeah, definitely nihilistic and cynical. But, if we already were thinking about socioeconomic and climate science politics as a person when we watched it first instead of focusing on the creator's awful subtle racism, there's a massively relatable story in there of a desire I think a lot of us feel pretty often these days. Sometimes it seems like it would just be better if we stopped this will-we-or-won't-we with the dystopian hell, because we're so tired of fighting this culture war that's sometimes just a straight up war. If it didn't matter anymore, the constant weight we feel on us would be lifted. For all the awfulness that requires, nobody is wrong for feeling the power of that idea. You go bad when you stop keeping the awfulness in mind. Otherwise, it can be a comforting fantasy for people to imagine a life where, regardless of how they have to struggle to survive, the current struggle is _finally_ over. The next one might suck even more, but at least it's something else.
I'm fine with such matters being in a zombie movie (just... drop the racism!) but it doesn't belong in Superman.
@@PosthumanHeresy Still one of the best director out there. I'm glad lots of directors and actors think that as well. He deserved all the success in life. Also the Dawn of the dead remake is one of the best zombie movie ever. So god like skills.
@@KelX91 Yea i now, lots of cool batman stories that a far better than his cut from different timeline in comics, tv show and movies. But its okay because it is not the focus of this film or series. Still one of the best superhero movie.
I disagree, but you’re entitled to your opinion, as we Snyder fans are entitled to ours. It’s freedom of speech. For me, Zack Snyder is my inspiration and why I want to be a director. I agree with some of the criticisms in this video. I do think he takes the politics a little hard sometimes. But with that said, I think you and a lot of people in this comment section could benefit on seeing positive analyses on Batman v Superman and Zack Snyder’s Justice League. I’d link some, but UA-cam is anti-linking. They’ll just delete it.
I’m not looking to start a fight. I just want to share my perspective on the whole matter. I think he is a master visual storyteller, but the Snyder Cut is proof that he is awesome at world building and character development when he’s not being held back by studios. I think the big studios are the real villains here, cutting the wrong stuff out of his work, so it looks like that he is a bad director when he really isn’t. I think, if some of his other less well-received films were to receive the director’s cut treatment, you all would see that his films are much deeper than you think. Again, you all are free to have your own opinions. I just disagree because I know that his films aren’t terrible. There are plenty of videos as to why. I probably won’t continue the discussion in reply threads, so thank you all for listening.
There was no character development in zsjl.
@@nandu1770 That's not truth or justice, that's a lie
Wow this vid didn't age well.
The Snyder Cut wasn’t that good at all, chill out
It didn't age well, it aged DAMN well. He still keeps doing this trash.
I think you give Zack too much credit, I think he's just making things that he thinks looks cool.
Angsty edgelords coming an disliking this video without even watching it
I watched it, I still disagree, I disliked.
I watched it but I didn't need to watch it to understand it's just another person blaming Zack Snyder for literally everything under the sun.
While I agree zack Snyder is a hack, I don’t think his works are bigoted whatsoever. That’s why it gets the dislike
@@redranger337 fuck you then
@@conorobrien4046 Then you're completetely blind. Or never watched a single one of his movies. Or you're lying.
It's sad that you don't understand the sheer Symbolism Snyder shows in his movies, you're one of those people who wanna watch a popcorn flick and enjoy marvel movies
A bit hyperbolic, but I still agreed with all your major points. Good video.
Disney didn't make any money on Deadpool considering its a fox product.
It's says ** And 20th Century Fox in the top left corner.
I'd rather Hollywood not put in their social commentary. I hate watching propaganda films.
Most of Snyder's films that he DIDN'T WRITE were his best ones, which include Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen. One's that he DID help write were all complete flops. That should tell you all you need to know about Zach Snyder.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 You're right, 300 doesn't AT ALL fall under the umbrella of his uber-fascistic totalitarian "euro-merica first and greatest" political propaganda, not at all, it doesn't falsify history by purposely claiming that iranians were racist fascists, i mean it WASN'T iranians who wrote the first declaration of human rights that includes the ban of slavery, payment for working class, women and even war captives, and everyone's right to speak their mother tongue and practice their own religion, in all of the 23 satraps under their government spanning three continents; right? 🤡
I wonder why Zack Snyder was credited as the "Co-Writer" of 300.
Watchmen is his best film and I can barely give it 5/10. It works just because the original story is great and it almost copies it shot for shot, the problem is it betrays its spirit and tone over and over in fact 5/10 might be too generous. The guy has never made good movies. If you think 300 is a good movie then I guess you're the type to think The Dark Knight is the best movie ever
Yeah dude, he’s a hack.
@@MistaJ28 It was written in a graphic novel by Frank Miller, and Snyder only wanted to take credit in writing the movie-only elements of 300. It’s a movie that’s a product of its time and has aged terribly.
Has anyone every watched a Snyder film and thought "Wow, this is a metaphro for ______ *anything*"?
i strongly agree. his movies are so annoying. he sucks the joy out of everything.
That’s his style, if u don’t like his style that’s fine, me personally I love his gritty and bleak style. It’s different and unique and made for me
@@rilist_7603 hahaha damn man some people really don't like cinema
I disagree Bout him sucking the joy out of everything. I've watched Man of Steel plenty of times. I always get some joy out of it seeing as it is a Clark Kent movie (the real identity). Plus the scenes of him interacting with his mom and just how he interacts with people in general is nice
Disney never made Deadpool that was fox
AJ Agustin
One year later and Disney is about to buy Fox. how random is that?
kinda sad how many factual errors this guy makes in his video =/
It's says ** And 20th Century Fox in the top left corner.
@ThisIsMyRealName I watched Sarkeesian's three women in video games tropes video's. They didn't seem that bad.
Some of it I agreed with.
Some of it I don't think she explored quite enough.
Some of it I felt like most people wouldn't be able to comprehend the subtlety of what she was talking about.
Nothing she said warrantied the reaction she got out of it though.
These people would lose their minds at this one. :)
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Abduction As Romance
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I don't particularly like what he said about V for Vendetta but I understand that under ANY other circumstance he would be 100% right.
Movies are fantasy 1 in million chance that would never happen in the real world while he's actually talking about how these things would actually play out in the real world without weird excuses for how the male character is forced into acting like an abusive love interest.
The Last Jedi video he did would probably push into actual violent rages.
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H Hatch yeah but Disney won’t even touch that very violent character
I'ts kinda obvious that Snyder puts political undertones into his films. "On this Earth, every act is a political act" is a direct quote from BvS.
Jack Martin yeah but he is bad at writting it, is as cheesy as independence day when the president goes all "ill fly a jet and fight the aliens.my self.woooo"
I think he puts more anti-religion undertones in his movies. In the DCEU, all his stories are about god-killing
JGC 9-0 in today’s day and age is that wrong? If Superman were real doing things, would it not stir up anything politically?
The one thing that I really like about Zach Snyder is his cinematography he can bring a comic book panel fo life, but apart from that his storytelling is weak. His Justice League cut was beyond what I expected but when you think about it, if it was released theatrically they would have to cut so much to condense it to 3 or 2.5 hours and would probably not be as good.
"Do you ever wonder how zombies became so played out? Or why blockbusters have to be 'dark and gritty' these days? Or why you can't shake that overwhelming feeling of exhaustion and nihilism when you watch a Zack Snyder movie?"
No, not really
The Muslim scene where theyre praying on their rugs is meant to show how people in mass are praying for the world because of zombies, and what does a gas station blowing up have to do with 911?
No about the dawn of the dead on middle eastern and Muslim people , you see a similar rhetoric in Batman vs Superman where Snyder made Muslims/middle eastern/ African people as evil barbarians disgusting racist he indeed is with a BIG AGENDA
Nah
It's funny that you come to the same conclusions about politics in media that Errant Signal (who you referenced in the video) so eloquently rejects in his videos.
Even though I generally don't agree with Snyders more obtuse points, I respect his vision and I like the way he portrays the stories he tells. I feel like you have to be an educated viewer of content and acknowledge politics while not also mindlessly accepting them. Just saying outright "don't go to see these films" is harmful, especially when you realistically know that any movie with Batman or Superman is going to do well at the box office regardless of protest.
Me having to come to terms with the fact that Zack Snyder Directed the Ga'Hoole movie, which is based on my favorite childhood book series 🙃
Leni Riefenstahl - Snyder's biggest influence.
I don't like Zack Snyder either, but he isn't the only director to use politics in movies. In fact, in lots of movies, other directors use underlying political themes, and do them well. Zack Snyder is just static and bad at it.
Moozy Foozy yea but most directors manage to do that we'll he... doesn't he makes it preachy I like undertones but not like that
And now Kathleen Kennedy seems to put a lot of politics in the SW universe.
Moozy Foozy 😂🤣😂🤣😂😂you love Snyder like all the others. Stop fooling yourself
It's not just that he's static and bad at it.
It's that he takes beloved stories like Dawn of the Dead and Watchmen and completely change their fantastic themes -- the heart of what made these works so great and meaningful in the first place -- to his static reactionary bullshit.
I don't know the guy but his movies suck
ZSJL was a success jo!
@Aroko 76 It was and is still good though. That's a positive.
Holy shit, this aged so poorly lmao
1 decent movie and it was farrr too long. Way more excited to see what Matt Reeves does.
ZACK SNYDER’S JUSTICE LEAGUE WASN’T THAT GOOD AT ALL.
@@curly_wyn oscarsn't?
@@RandomlyDoing1230 What 1 decent movie? I'd say that's the Theatrical Cut of Dawn of Justice for me.
Thoughts and opinions on Matt Reeves The Batman? Personally, I believe the movie is awesome and I love the character arc for The Batman. What about you?
@Aroko 76 Why ZSJL?
That "worst director" made one of my favorite movies.
Which one was that?
Dawn of Dead 2004
I enjoyed that one as well.
Yeah well, Michael Bay directed my second favorite movie behind fucking Blade Runner, The Rock.
Deep throat?
Nobody understands his movies.
His only movies that suck are his dc movies they are just bad make no sense and the cgi holy crap
Snyder ruin batman for me he is a hack
I don't think that truck scene is a reference to 9/11
But how would I know that a movie stinks before seeing it for myself?
Agree everyone said birds of prey was the greatest movie before it released from early test screenings & look how that turned out a meh movie
So your thesis, all comic movies should be light hearted thoughtless pop corn movies. This has to be one of the dumbest conclusions to an otherwise interesting video. I like variety in superhero movies. I don´t want all of them the same. Some of the best to date have been serious or had dark themes, Oldboy, Sin City, Kick Ass, Batman Begins, Chronicle, Unbreakable, Superman 2 and Wonder Woman.
Anyway good vid, but cos of that concliusion I can´t thumbs up or subscribe.
You forgot Logan and the Xmen film series in general. Freaking love them dx
You didn’t pay attention to anything he said, did you?
He didn't direct 300: Rise of an Empire, though. That's just a flat out lie.
Reading these comments, I’m only further convinced that this is a cult
@Swordagrim Cringed.
Black Lanterns I tell ya
I agree that his movies are bleak and with no personality, but I did, however, enjoy Dawn of the Dead quite a bit.
James Gunn's script helps.
@@ChrisMaxfieldActs and zack's Cinematography helps alot too.
Ehh, no
@@valenluca3253 ehh, yes , haters been crying since the snydercut is coming out
in the entertainment world there are super heroes (creators who help society with their entertainment) and super villains (creators who don't care what their creations do too society). Making dark and gritty films so prevalent leads the fans to believe that dark and gritty is how they should live their lives. These dark and gritty films are able to change how some people in society act very slightly and over time it can make a big impact.
Zack Snyder is a supervillain
@@Dr.LongMonkey Thank you for the laugh. (Don't read this in an antagonistic way. I'm being genuine. I genuinely did laugh and I did enjoy having a laugh)
Zack Snyder is The Thinker!! The Flash villain!!!!
I am beyond ecstatic that Snyder is gone from DC. Wonder Woman’s greatest accomplishment was proving his darkly monochromatic murder porn version of the DCEU isn’t the only way to go, and now Aquaman and Captain Marvel (using the power of Shazam the wizard) will continue the march away from Zach’s pessimistic hatred fueled view of Superheroes.
Nicolas Bazzano It's ironic that you dog on Snyder's murder porn while praising Wonder Woman because Wonder Woman actually intentionally murdered far more people than Superman, and she actually killed the wrong people to top it off.
This aged poorly. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse
Still pretty accurate imo, Snyder's "vision" was the worst thing to happen to DC
@@damnsoda8286 not whedon harassing actors?
@@MrBruh-yb9qi if whedon had had the possibility to doing a 4 hours movie it would have been far better than the Snyder cut
@@damnsoda8286 A vision is a vision. Why is the word "vision" in quotation marks? I disagree that it is the worst. There are others... far, far more terrible
#RestoreTheSnyderverse
#ReleaseTheAyerCut
#ContinueTheSnyderverse
Didn't turn out so well to make Justice League "lighter"... 😄
You think it’s bad because it had color? Lmao
@@curly_wyn Not just lighter in color, but also lighter in tone. ;) :D
Justice League was garbage but it's still the best version that we've had. At least there was some degree of plot coherence. In the Snyder cut darkside just completely forgot about where he put the anti-life equation. Like what the hell That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with choosing a darker tone for your films. The man is just trying to add his own voice to familiar material, and tries to interpret that material in new, unique ways, that hopefully contain a little more substance than the average blockbuster. I don’t love all of his films, but I definitely admire his dedication and work. Zack is an inspiration to many.
fox made money with deadpool
Disney didn't have guts to make a r -rated movie
And Disney bought out fox so we're fucked..
@@umbrellaunderdog actually it has been confirmed Deadpool will be r rated. So not to worry.
I LOVE Zack's approach to film making. I wished we could have seen more of his darker realistic take on these stories, and not every movie needs to have humor. It's funny how you called him out on taking a lighter take on Justice League, and now we are learning that his original story could actually have been something amazing. Maybe the message should have been that studios need to stop interfering with the Directors, and let them tell their own story. Snyder does not get the appreciation he deserves. A movie that is remade or rebooted doesn't not mean it needs to stay with the same formula. It is simply a new way of telling a story. I feel gutted that we may never see the DCEU that Zack originally envisioned.
Hopefully there is still time
I only watch independent films, classic films at the realto, marvel films, Pixar films or foreign films. I simply pirate the rest. I dont understand how pirating will "help" movie studios, I understand it the curiosity creates demand but if they dont get paid for it, how do they win in the long run?
"It's Nihilistic at best and authoritarian at worst.
Gorgo: Freedom isn't free at all. That it comes with the highest of costs, the cost of blood.
Team America Song parodying conservative rhetoric: Freedom isn't free, it costs folks like you and me. "
Um... am I too late to call this stupid and point out that this is a universally accepted notion of the cost of fighting for freedom? This was a statement used by French Revolutionaries, Unionists, Progressives and Civil Rights leaders of both past and present. Seriously, if you wanna convince anyone that Snyder's movies are authoritarian propaganda, go right ahead, but this phrase and sentiment is not one of them.
And yet people still talk about his movies
In full detail
So my guess you either like or hate him
Someone can easily explain why he sucks
But at the same time someone can explain why he is good
So he just a controversial director
My biggest problem is that those who hate him don't respect those who do.
@@gaylordcomic that's my problem too
Nobody can explain why he's good without dishonesty. Because he's not good he's utterly awful in every way.
@@gaylordcomic But that doesn't happen in pure vacuum does it? There are plenty of utter trash things that will mean people will lose respect for you if you say you like. For example if I say I enjoy s******* in my own shoes people are going to lose respect for me. There are certain things you should be embarrassed of.
Snyder portraits superman realistically
Critics- Nah I prefer cgi based mcu movies where people destory city for fun
He portrays superman horrible he treats superman like a alien who sees humanity as ants he has to be said to be god every 15 minutes superman is down to earth and is the most human Zack dosen't show the light side to superman all he shows is that superman could be a threat
@TheQuartering look at the opening of bvs
Snyder shows us both good and bad side of having god like creature on earth
While mcu destorys city and later grabs drink on bars
@@theflyguy2133 You didn't pay attention to BvS.
its SUPERman, there is no right way to portray him realistically, there is nothing realistic about superman
@@zhengyingli oh my bad I forgot superman saves just a few people stands in the air does a t pose and that's it let's not forget about the horrendous man of steel where Jonathan Kent tells superman the hope in the light to let kids die well I guess he took that to the heart when fighting zod
Snyder is fine. His problem aren't politics, it's that he's internally a teenager, who gets to direct movies. His visual style is great, but he seems to struggle to implement it with the story in any meaningful way. He's pretty much all style, no substance, or at least very little substance.
His style really disgusts me tbh, like if thats what hes going for its done the job but the hyper-contrasted super sweaty dank grim grunge-ness really repulses me.
In my opinion, he hasn't directed anything good since Watchmen. Despite all its flaws. No film will ever top the original source material though. Except maybe V For Vendetta. Many folks seem to enjoy Zack's work but it's just not my thing. Really not.
Man of Steel was greatly misunderstood in my opinion. BvS was also very good imo.
@@vanblitz7009 Those were massive letdowns and bored the hell outta me. Plenty of better comic-book movies plus shows. If you enjoy his work, that's perfectly fine.
Watchmen was fucking terrible
@@Apathesis0 I agree
How dare an artist put his own ideas into his works! He should be putting Michael Saba's ideas into his works instead, right?
Exactly. This dude does the _exact_ same shit he's accusing Snyder off.
Well this aged well ....
It did. He got to release JL only because HBO max needed subscribers. It still highlights all his weakness and repetitive themes, not to mention lack of understanding of the characters and stories he's given in exchange for "style."
@@darkcucoify Yes, I agree ....
I think the film was a clustered CGI mess and I am suprised I alot of of people think it is a masterpiece ......
@@Iden_Elihio_1999 well the problem is that the Snyder fans are so invested in this product, that it was going to be a master piece for them no matter what.
@@darkcucoify Bruh ....
The only reason ZSJL is being called masterpiece is because the whedon cut existed
zack snyder didnt make rise of an empire. he adapts exisitng stories cause he cant tell his own and fails at that imo
So every director tells their own story
Isn't that written by others
I mean he's not a writer hes a director
Yeah, he only wrote Sucker Punch on his own, and it’s absolutely terrible.
First Snyder didn't direct 300 Rise of an Empire. He directed 300. Also 300 and Watchmen are neither "remakes, sequels or reboots of existing works". So you discredit yourself and video within the first 50 seconds of it.
no, but it shows the person is careless in thought and therefore you can't really trust he put much thought into his entire argument.
watchmen and 300 are comic books bro
dragoh stelath They've never been adapted for film before.
@michael stephens well said...
Snyder didn't direct Rise of an Empire, but he wrote its script. 'Nuff said.
He did 300. That wasn't a remake or sequel, right?
1001johny it was an adaptation
Ahh right, okay then. Thank you for that.
And sucker punch ?
This was an interesting video. While I agree that Zack Synder hasn't been the best choice for the Superman movies, I'm unsure whether you are against politics in movies altogether or just disagree with Synder's message in particular. The way your video ends suggests that you're against politics in movies altogether, but I'd argue that politics is in a lot of movies, including beloved ones like the Dark Knight trilogy back to classic ones like The Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I don't like much of Synder's recent movies but I actually thought his take on "Dawn of the Dead" was interesting. (Yes I've seen the original.) Had he just remade the movie without changing anything, he would have been criticized for doing a pointless remake. For a remake to be worth making, they have to add something to it, including relating it to contemporary themes and concerns. You also cherry-picked the depictions of Islam in the opening - and admittedly, I do recall the brief image of the prayers in the mosque to stand out - but you omit all the other shots in between. I don't disagree that Synder might have been tapping into some of the imagery of the 9/11 attacks at the time but that's what movies do, though, because movies are not made in a vacuum. What projects get selected, green-lit, and how they are presented are influenced by its historical context. Spielberg's "War of the Worlds" clearly did that. Nolan's "The Dark Knight" was about how a vigilante should respond to a terrorist that goes around kidnapping people and posting videos. His "Dark Knight Rises" made definite allusions to the Occupy Wall Street movement.
Anxiety about the fragility of society is not a recent concern, and not one started because of 9/11. It's always been there, although there are historical events that make us more aware of it. Back in the late 90s, there were numerous movies made about the concern for the end of the millennium, whether the collapse of society will be brought on by natural disaster, the apocalypse or technological failure. We're an uneasy species. We survive because we depend on society and a set of mutually agreed upon rules. That is arguably the basis of many comic book movies too. Both heroes and villains are archetypes. That's why they work so well and why they have continual relevance (when presented well).
Zombie movies are political because they're about how fragile society is. And it's not just zombie movies, but any narrative that investigates how quickly society breaks down when you don't have a government to enforce it, from "Lord of the Flies" to "Battle Royale." To your point about Synder's message in "Dawn," I didn't personally read it as a glorification of violence but ask a question of "What would happen to society if there was no government to enforce the law and control violence?" In other words, I don't think he gives us a definitive answer in that movie. I would also argue against your position that "Dawn" was Patient Zero of the zombie trope. It was always there as a genre. You already mentioned "28 Days Later" in the video, which is agreeably better in so many ways and got people interested in the genre again. But it's always been a popular trope in video games. Perhaps part of the appeal is not just the social messages it contains, but the inevitable scene where you have to kill someone you love because they've been infected.
To wrap up, this was a fascinating video to watch. I think I agree with you on many points but disagree that movies with political messages or imagery are bad. I also disagree that movies should not tap into a common anxiety. I'd even argue that that's what art is for. Without stories tapping into anxieties, we wouldn't have classics like "Frankenstein" or "Minority Report" (or any number of Philip K. Dick stories). I think they're inevitable and they can be done effectively.
platothepug I appreciate your even-handed critical response to the video’s theses, although I think it misses or misreads a few things about them.
-the video seems to be arguing against politicizing comic book adaptations, not film in general. And honestly I disagree even with this assertion even under this narrower read, as I feel that superhero movies can run with a political subtext and still manage to be both entertaining AND do that subtext justice (cf. The Dark Night, Cap: Civil War, et al). At the same time, I think the video’s OP makes a very fair and warranted criticism of the way Snyder shoehorns his own political ideology into works that were originally built on a diametrically opposing political viewpoint, which leads you to wonder why he didn’t just choose something else to adapt that was more in line with his own worldview, as he did with 300, whose author seems equally inclined toward embracing fascism as a solution to societal ills.
-your comment also seems to be treating the OP as criticizing Snyder’s DotD remake simply because it is rooted in societal anxiety. This is clearly not the case, as the OP explicitly praises the original DotD for the ways it addressed these same anxieties. The criticism of Snyder is not that he explored the same ground, but that he did so from the framework of a stable society whose anxieties were thrust upon it by an outside force, and that was in no way complicit in the conditions from which those anxieties arose; and for the ways in which the remake embraced violence as a rational and appropriate solution to resolving those anxieties, rather than treating violence and anxiety as symptoms of the same deeper condition that gave rise to both. It is, of course, up to the viewer to decide whether or not they feel that the OPs critique of violence as solution is a valid one, but it IS important to at least understand that violence is actually what is being critiqued.
Finally, and this is just a little one, OP didn’t say Snyder helped jump-start the zombie trope-if that were the case, there wouldn’t have been an original DotD to remake in the first place-he was simply pointing out that Snyder’s DotD, along with 28 Days Later, kicked off the FAST zombie trend. And while you might be right that fast zombies existed in gamer culture (although none are springing to mind for me personally), as far as general pop cultural awareness and perception are concerned, fast zombies were not a thing to the average moviegoer before these movies came along.
So back in 2016 BvS released and yall got the chance to talk shit about him and shit on his work, wow what a surprise.
Wow this comment section looks like a bunch of people bitching about how good Snyder is. ZSJL is AMAZING.
DEAL WITH IT.
Black female
@@mingchenwei1978 lol what?
no one is talking about ZSJL. zsjl wasn't that good. it was just coherent, and way better than josstice league. superman sucks, batman is god awful, and flash is fucking garbage. because zac synder is obsessed w being edgy and can't write complex characters
@@yomamaballsinmyw For a movie that had to introduce and develope 5 characters, they are very well written so I have no idea what you're talking about. And please explain to me at what exact part are any of the characters edgy? If you're "edgy" means "a serious story" then you shouldn't criticize movies.
@@jip3788 Just to answer the edgy part: I'd say Superman Heat Visioning off Steppenwolf's horn can be seen as edgy. Darkseid crushing Steppy's head too
Snyder didn't direct rise of an empire fam. He only produced it. He did direct the first one though.
Sucker Punch had the potential to be a ridiculous over-the-top campy joy ride but just kind of turned out as an awkward, relatively boring and forgettable experience. It had schoolgirl samurai, war mechs, and a fucking dragon yet I can barely remember any of it.
Everytime someone mentioned the movie in those list videos and showed scenes of the movie it made me want to watch it, but every review I saw me want to stay away, lol
Cause Snyder just can't make movies. The premise was cool especially if you're a male and you like action movie stuff but he couldn't help fucking that up. The guy had Emily Browning dressed up as a japanese schoolgirl with a katana fighting robots and couldn't make a movie that was at least fun to watch
Sry folks, SP is very good and very important. It deals with very uncomfortable issues but uses imagery, that we are used to enjoy. This movie is not enjoyable or entertaining in a "traditional" way. A good starting point to decipher it is the work of the romanian psychiatrist Jacob Levy Moreno, the inventor of Psychodrama. Just a few keypoints: violence in psychiatry, oppressive elements in christian culture, systemic exploitation of the female body, sale of human rights, war as defining element of human culture throughout history. If you look at the movieposter or the dvd cover, you would not expect this kind of content. But this is the starting point of the subversive nature of this movie. In my opinion, the only problem of this movie is, that it is ahead of its time, maybe until today. That said, i do not disagree with Michaels points in the video. I am not a huge fan of Snyders work, especially the recent one, but Sucker Punch deserves a video with a huge red "THEY WERE WRONG" on the thumbnail. ; )
@@edhero4515 I read hald your comment thinking you were making fun of the movie then realized you were serious
Anyone who loves that movie, I just don’t think we can be friends.
Snyder is an okay director at best, he's good with visuals and CGI. He's good with atmosphere and world building but he can't see it through. Especially compared to others like Whedon, Nolan or Del Toro, Snyder's "Action" movies especially are incredibly unsatisfying. They're so poorly paced blandly choreographed. He needs to stick to trivial popcorn flicks like 300 and leave monumental films like Superman and Justice League to more capable directors.
Is this video a joke?
Nope, He hates Snyder so much.
So sad.
you are a joke.
@@babysaha8119 tell me something i don't know
All art is political. All philosophy is political. The problem is simply that you dislike the sort of politics that the movie promotes.
Yea people never complains about stuff like that when they like it and agrees with it.
Art is not political. Art is a recreation of reality and is meant to inspire.
Whatever you call art that is political, is just propaganda.
I agree with Buffo the Clown
Art and philosophy are not in favor of politics, jerk.
@Mr Temporal war war war war o yes lokk how moral politics is lol can u not tell when ur being lied to or somthing. poltics is control thats it. now if ur ok with being controled ok each to there own but if u wish to try an live as free as possible dont vote dont play the game. dont worry about hobbs hes was an idiot in a time of religious morons an irish genocide. all the political thinking needed is just try not to be a cunt if we had vote on that it'd be the end of politics. rip the people hobbs book killed in the name of lies
Yes the synercut was just a set up for a film that needed 3 or more films to tell a story. It's not even leading to a good story. He wants to have DC go edge lord and its annoying as hell
Oh no edgy Batman, he’s never edgy😐
And Man of Steel was grounded showing a more realistic Superman origin, and then in Justice League Superman is boyscout
@@gorillathemancomics3282 Superman and realism AHAHAHAHAHAHA dude how don't you realize what ur saying
@@Dr.LongMonkey grounded* giving the characters more story and more heart in a more realistic world
2 more movies actually. Justice League II and Justice League II. With spin-offs taking place before and after films
People who have nothing to say usually try to bash the other who has.
I see the flaws in his work but regardless I like it.
Interesting visuals/visual storytelling and dark yet engaging moments. He is a very rare director. For better or worse. He's still better than Micheal bay, Joel Shoemaker and Josh Wheaden at least imo. Art is subjective.
Why mention Joel Schumacher?
Zack took my all time favorite zombie movie and completely perverted it. He took it's messages of the dangers of mindless consumerism, humanity's willingness to fight amongst each other during tough times, and made it about god punishing sinners or whatever. He completely ruined one of my all time favorite movies and either intentionally or unintentionally missed the point of the zombies in the first place.
@Erik Kemeey damn look at you getting triggered
@Erik Kemeey snydertard spotted
The zombie outbreak in the remake was NEVER explained. I've watched that movie SEVERAL times and NEVER got the feeling that he was trying to make some stupid religious message. That's YOU that is projecting that, moron.
"And the whole world wants you just to move along"
I was very happy about hearing that track in here!
While the revelation that Zack Snyder ascribes to Randian philosophy seems to support your thesis. The presence of his authoritarian cynicism isn't nearly as clear cut as you make out. For example, at one point in the "Dawn" remake the characters _do_ get tired of their consumerist castle, they drop everything they're doing to rescue the (evidently now, helpless) gun store owner across the street from them, and they decide to do these things together. The Sarah Polly character is depicted as smart and capable, she - and some of the others - are locked up by the authoritarian CJ, whose individual leadership skills are found wanting. Eventually he learns a valuable lesson about trust, and behaves selflessly for the betterment of the group, even to the point of sacrificing his life. In many ways it hurts your theory to use Dawn of the Dead as the central example, when you consider that it is easily his most "hopeful" and "positive" movie (despite it's 'secret' ending.)
However, Watchmen is another example. Most people have used Ozymandias' "victory" at the end of the movie as a springboard to critique the way Zack Snyder's political views sneak into his movies, because Ozzy seems like an ideal Randian character. You specifically cite the absence of a guilt ridden monologue - except you _don't_ relay whether that monologue was specifically absent from David Hayter's original draft of the script. Which was hailed as an accomplishment for how well it pieced together most of the elements of the original comic, in a semi-timely fashion. Meaning it might have been cut for time. You ignore that the equally fascist Comedian _does_ have a guilt ridden monologue, he's depicted as a broken man, who finally sees how things can go too far. - And the not terribly better Rorschach becomes instrumental in bringing to light the atrocities of Ozymandias, when in the final shot of the movie, his journal is depicted entering a press room. An act of defiance against an authority figure. By the end of the movie, both Ozymandias and Dr. Manhattan or in some way proven wrong, and nobody of any note is ever proven right.
All of Sucker Punch is about distrust of authority, and the invasion of people who abuse it.
Over on Redlettermedia Previously Recorded discussed how Superman is depicted as this godlike icon, whose parents specifically suggest that he shouldn't save people, because hiding your specialness from others is important. Except, Superman doesn't hide, and he does choose to save people.
Most of Snyder's movies seem to be counter to his political philosophy, in one way or another, which might explain why he rarely depicts any philosophy very well.
He didn't direct 300 sequel.
So basically he's not incompetent, you just disagree with his politics and prefer brainless movies like Deadpool yeeeah, hope you're happy you kinda won. DC destroyed their universe with stupid un-political movies.
No, you clearly didn’t listen to a word he said. Well, rather, you heard only what you wanted to hear.
@@curly_wyn he did say Snyder is not incompetent. Did say that his movies are influenced by his political views. Did say that unpolitical movies are better