I kinda like looking at beginners on the streets, as long as they aren't capping people. It's funny to see that I have also been at that level and I know how it feels to first start getting up, that rush and nervousness
Its funny, ive found that when i sit down to make a masterpiece i almost always end up with sub par work. BUT, when the " burden of quality" is absent, for instance if i cant decide between 2 options ill do a quick lil demo on scrap paper just to see which option or color combo i like more, it almost ALWAYS ends up being my best work.
@@arturorochoa9359 yea but im not talkin bout enjoyment, im talking bout the quality of the piece, its always better, and faster too! Bcuz I'm not worried about quality. Its quite ironic.
would be cool to see a video, where you show different stages (with examples) of progress in certain fundamentals, like what i should be able to do before i move on to the more difficult stuff. for example form - 1. basic cubes, cylinders, spheres... 2. modifying basic forms to get more organic objects 3. clusters of objects, intersections... and so on for other fundamentals
I carry a pocket size sketchbook , and then a blackbook in my regular bag. So that when I have a character, letter, etc. or I see something that's interesting, I stop and sketch out the basic form of said things. Sometimes I come back to it and I'm like where did that come from?! People love the cartoons and characters I come up with. draw, draw, and then draw some more. Keep doodling! some people actually make money off of doodles.
As an artist, not even just grafitti, just, as an artist, yes practice is supposed to be hard, my brain starts hurting everytime I hop off the tablet, right now, I'm learning animation and I cannot stress how important the fundamentals are especially for this art form, as a beginner I've definetly fallen into most traps involving animation, no you cannot just copy and paste the frame, you have to be able to redraw it over and over and over again to give it a sort of flow, so it isn't stiff and without a sense of life, you have to be able to understand the fundamentals and put them into your art, squash and stretch, exaggeration, timing, that's the stuff I failed to put into my animations as a beginner because I simply didn't understand, even right now as I'm making more and more animations, I can see how it's still flawed but I can also see how much I improved these past few years
Hey bro, So. I've been painting for a while, and subscribe for a couple years. I re-watched a drop shadow tutorial and damn...Went out today and tried one small change to my 3D, inspired by YOU and... My piece today looked...proper. BIG Ups dude, keep cranking. Just wanted to let you know your work has merit. Your brain keeps me on track. Appreciate you.
When i started i was sketching a loooot, but it was bad haha now i just want to have fun. Half of my pieces i dont like, or i got something to complain about. but i had a good time mostly.. 😄
I kept listening to you, watching the video and possibly just got into a 'flow' state...maybe? I just couldn't stop smiling. Your reasoning was logical and the conclusion very inclusive. Statements like "...and that's alright" when talking about the amateur 50 year-graff-writing-friends. Very fuckin' cool, brother. Very cool. Thank you for sharing all of this wisdom. Somehow the intro to your videos, especially in this topic, seem incredibly appropriate too. As though the attitude is to help. "We all gotta meet at the bench." I'm diggin' it all, man.
as someone who has been drawing since I was in preschool, I have always been a stickler for practice. but, as I've gotten older I find life distracting me more and more. Now as a commissioned artist, the practice is paying off. does it pay the bills? not yet. what first got me into graffiti was handwriting classes in elementary school. I have had an obsession with letters since then. I've just recently created my own font. but, could I recreate it on a wall? That's my next step. There's a power in knowing the basics and always practicing. It will eventually bleed through your art. Thanks for another great, vid, Grim.
A lot of these ideas can be applied to musicianship. You gotta practice, do exercises and not rush things. There are no shortcuts to becoming better. In a similar vein, Studying and practicing different musical styles will help you develop your own style.
So ive been out for about 3 and half months now. And not gonna lie, my style is legit and ive movin the right way from wat i see. I literally got my part of the city jumpin right now. Dudes who have never been out here, alot of new names and even some big dogs. Hell, even billboards got hit this last week when they haven't been in years. The only problem im encountering is my name. It is slightly the same as another writers alias. Of which i had no idea. And this dude aint no toy. Hes a vet. He came to town basically from word of mouth. Which is an honor in itself. He even did a piece in the middle of town and left a space for me to respond, which i did a day later. Its been crazy and almost a little overwhelming. Im definitely not beefing or trying to start some. Id rather get down w them than anything and it looks like im being invited from wat it looks like. But then again i dont know. I do know im just relishing this moment. Because this is an amazing feeling to know ive brought in some of Seattle's biggest writers to my deck of woods.
you get the same thing from musicians with regards to music theory. some people instinctively "feel" the fundamentals, and it gets them really far, but it also only gets them SO far. it's like math: addition subtraction multiplication and division can get you so far, but if you don't learn all the shortcuts and tricks there's only so far you can get because you get bogged down trying to figure things out that somebody only a little bit more advanced doesn't even have to think about. I would say with art that 90% of what makes somebody good is just understanding the concept of contrast, or in other words, what makes your message stand out from everything else. shape and form are important, but if the "subject" is just as blurry as the background then there's nothing to set them apart to indicate what's more important. if everything is red but your subject is blue, becomes obvious which thing is more important, and if everything is dark but the subject is lit by a spotlight, you know that's what the artist wanted you to look at. this is the fundamental that is most often overlooked by graffiti, the reason most wyldstyle looks cool but nobody can tell what it says... kind of an important rule to not miss out on, when your only message is telling everyone that you were there. that would be like if the credits at the end of the movie were hidden in a maze that scrolls past at 80 miles an hour... if your name were in that list you'd want it to be twice as big and colored red when everything else is black and white... if you did that you'd be the only person to get hired again from that film, because it would have been the only name that anybody could see.
My friend you hit the nail right on the head. Well said. Too many people in all practices (art music math, dance, cooking so on so on) have an unguided intuition for the fundamentals and as you perfectly said, that only gets you so far.
I wish I didn’t have to practice but god I want to be good so bad and whenever I start practicing it’s so fun and I love doing it but I try and do my alphabet all the time I want to get good I want to get really really good and I am seeing myself progress and I know I’m doing that purely because I’ve done and I do different types of art all the time anyway tysm for making videos you’re helping me out a lot
if you have been doing graffiti for 50+ years, you are a graffiti artist. you are not an amateur, and whatever you are making is valid. in that case 'the scene' has to adjust to you.
Idk bro that fire peice might be that new freshness... it's not really a throwie yet its not a straight letter and it's pulling off à retro color scheme lol... u hit the nail right on the head tho.. practice always equals progress and with Graff I think some tend to forget that black book practice = style and design progress while time using çàns mostly always = çan control progress.... I can àlways tell when I've been slacking in the black book bècuz I'll àuto paint one or 2 styles over and over and I'll tell myself there looking better when I'm just using every ķinda color scheme
My thing is tags with a can I'm terribly at so I stick drip sticks and pens. But with a can I can get really nice faded and colour transition nice lines so on. But I also been into airbrush and miniature painting aswell. So I find I'm not struggling to much. I'm still a toy but I'm far from the worst
Accidents or mistakes or mishaps will happen & there’s nothing you can do about it however I’ve turned mistakes into some of the best stuff I’ve ever done totally kinda wingin it 🤷🏼♂️
wait fuk i dont know if im practicing right, ive been doing graff for like 3 to 4 months mainly tags and experimenting with style, the way i "practice" is making sketches whilst using the help lines and try to change bits of the style to make it look better is this the right way or should i practice another way, because i enjoy this no splits whatsoever i always just try to use the basics and implement my and different names in these forms
"Thinking they are entitled to progress despite not practicing." Nobody can get to the top of anything without practice. And newsflash... NEWSflash. You gotta practice Every. Single. Fecking. Day to stay on top.
Sorry about that but that's how I naturally speak. If you'd like you can always rewind or go to the options and slow the playback speed as this would be more reasonable for you to do. Edit: lol I wanted to clarify I'm saying this in a friendly way. I re read it and thought it sounded a bit mean and that's the tone I was thinking as I wrote it 😅
@@bassmanoper6659 HA! Graffiti can be good only if it is done illegally? Bassoman, you obviously are not interested about the visual part of graffiti. You are obsessed about the rebel-aspect of graffiti culture. Go ahead and continue messing other peoples walls, and let the visual artists do the real art!
Technique is the only difference. The fundamentals behind letter structure and the elements of art don't change. Sure it's a pretty big leap to go from paper to walls but technique is the only thing that changes
There's nothing wrong with not practicing but if you want to be good and stand out then yea I would put in that work. I have over 50 art books that I've filled out and I don't know how many pens and pencils I've gone through probably 1000s over my life time.
I kinda like looking at beginners on the streets, as long as they aren't capping people. It's funny to see that I have also been at that level and I know how it feels to first start getting up, that rush and nervousness
Its funny, ive found that when i sit down to make a masterpiece i almost always end up with sub par work. BUT, when the " burden of quality" is absent, for instance if i cant decide between 2 options ill do a quick lil demo on scrap paper just to see which option or color combo i like more, it almost ALWAYS ends up being my best work.
That is so true! I always have more enjoyment drawing on scrap then on actual sketchbooks
@@arturorochoa9359 yea but im not talkin bout enjoyment, im talking bout the quality of the piece, its always better, and faster too! Bcuz I'm not worried about quality. Its quite ironic.
@@treykearns4867 I see. What I meant to say was… that is when I practice on sketchbook, I get discouraged. But, I just need to re-frame my thinking.
Very true.
@@arturorochoa9359 thats a good way to put it. I try to trick myself into not caring about what im about to draw.
would be cool to see a video, where you show different stages (with examples) of progress in certain fundamentals, like what i should be able to do before i move on to the more difficult stuff.
for example form - 1. basic cubes, cylinders, spheres...
2. modifying basic forms to get more organic objects
3. clusters of objects, intersections...
and so on for other fundamentals
Jesus! Yes, please! That would be so fuckin' informative.
yes yes
Same everytime
not practicing is weird. i cant stop myself from using pens and doodling haha
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I carry a pocket size sketchbook , and then a blackbook in my regular bag. So that when I have a character, letter, etc. or I see something that's interesting, I stop and sketch out the basic form of said things. Sometimes I come back to it and I'm like where did that come from?!
People love the cartoons and characters I come up with. draw, draw, and then draw some more.
Keep doodling! some people actually make money off of doodles.
@@Cre8iveMud ME TOO FUCK I CANT BELIEVE U COMPLETELY GET IT FUCK YEA!
STOP TOUCHING MA SHIT
and also my tags are gonna look awful if i dont. it usually takes me some warming up to do one right
As an artist, not even just grafitti, just, as an artist, yes practice is supposed to be hard, my brain starts hurting everytime I hop off the tablet, right now, I'm learning animation and I cannot stress how important the fundamentals are especially for this art form, as a beginner I've definetly fallen into most traps involving animation, no you cannot just copy and paste the frame, you have to be able to redraw it over and over and over again to give it a sort of flow, so it isn't stiff and without a sense of life, you have to be able to understand the fundamentals and put them into your art, squash and stretch, exaggeration, timing, that's the stuff I failed to put into my animations as a beginner because I simply didn't understand, even right now as I'm making more and more animations, I can see how it's still flawed but I can also see how much I improved these past few years
Hey bro,
So. I've been painting for a while, and subscribe for a couple years. I re-watched a drop shadow tutorial and damn...Went out today and tried one small change to my 3D, inspired by YOU and... My piece today looked...proper. BIG Ups dude, keep cranking. Just wanted to let you know your work has merit. Your brain keeps me on track. Appreciate you.
When i started i was sketching a loooot, but it was bad haha
now i just want to have fun. Half of my pieces i dont like, or i got something to complain about. but i had a good time
mostly..
😄
I kept listening to you, watching the video and possibly just got into a 'flow' state...maybe? I just couldn't stop smiling. Your reasoning was logical and the conclusion very inclusive. Statements like "...and that's alright" when talking about the amateur 50 year-graff-writing-friends. Very fuckin' cool, brother. Very cool. Thank you for sharing all of this wisdom.
Somehow the intro to your videos, especially in this topic, seem incredibly appropriate too. As though the attitude is to help. "We all gotta meet at the bench." I'm diggin' it all, man.
as someone who has been drawing since I was in preschool, I have always been a stickler for practice. but, as I've gotten older I find life distracting me more and more. Now as a commissioned artist, the practice is paying off. does it pay the bills? not yet.
what first got me into graffiti was handwriting classes in elementary school. I have had an obsession with letters since then. I've just recently created my own font. but, could I recreate it on a wall? That's my next step.
There's a power in knowing the basics and always practicing. It will eventually bleed through your art. Thanks for another great, vid, Grim.
A lot of these ideas can be applied to musicianship. You gotta practice, do exercises and not rush things. There are no shortcuts to becoming better. In a similar vein, Studying and practicing different musical styles will help you develop your own style.
One thing my father taught me. If they can do it you can do it too. If you can't do it then practice till you can.
Great video! As always 🔥
Love practicing and thanks to you I now know what to practice 🙏🙏🙏 and I love that VILE piece!
So ive been out for about 3 and half months now. And not gonna lie, my style is legit and ive movin the right way from wat i see. I literally got my part of the city jumpin right now.
Dudes who have never been out here, alot of new names and even some big dogs.
Hell, even billboards got hit this last week when they haven't been in years.
The only problem im encountering is my name. It is slightly the same as another writers alias. Of which i had no idea.
And this dude aint no toy.
Hes a vet.
He came to town basically from word of mouth. Which is an honor in itself. He even did a piece in the middle of town and left a space for me to respond, which i did a day later.
Its been crazy and almost a little overwhelming. Im definitely not beefing or trying to start some.
Id rather get down w them than anything and it looks like im being invited from wat it looks like.
But then again i dont know. I do know im just relishing this moment.
Because this is an amazing feeling to know ive brought in some of Seattle's biggest writers to my deck of woods.
Been watching since I was 17, I'm 22 now, nice to see Jon still amazing work I fuck with your work man keep it up.!!
Another thing I remember talking about with you on Insta. Hell yeah brody.
Said it once. Said it a hundred times. You’re an art teacher my friend!
you get the same thing from musicians with regards to music theory. some people instinctively "feel" the fundamentals, and it gets them really far, but it also only gets them SO far. it's like math: addition subtraction multiplication and division can get you so far, but if you don't learn all the shortcuts and tricks there's only so far you can get because you get bogged down trying to figure things out that somebody only a little bit more advanced doesn't even have to think about.
I would say with art that 90% of what makes somebody good is just understanding the concept of contrast, or in other words, what makes your message stand out from everything else. shape and form are important, but if the "subject" is just as blurry as the background then there's nothing to set them apart to indicate what's more important. if everything is red but your subject is blue, becomes obvious which thing is more important, and if everything is dark but the subject is lit by a spotlight, you know that's what the artist wanted you to look at. this is the fundamental that is most often overlooked by graffiti, the reason most wyldstyle looks cool but nobody can tell what it says... kind of an important rule to not miss out on, when your only message is telling everyone that you were there. that would be like if the credits at the end of the movie were hidden in a maze that scrolls past at 80 miles an hour... if your name were in that list you'd want it to be twice as big and colored red when everything else is black and white... if you did that you'd be the only person to get hired again from that film, because it would have been the only name that anybody could see.
My friend you hit the nail right on the head. Well said. Too many people in all practices (art music math, dance, cooking so on so on) have an unguided intuition for the fundamentals and as you perfectly said, that only gets you so far.
I wish I didn’t have to practice but god I want to be good so bad and whenever I start practicing it’s so fun and I love doing it but I try and do my alphabet all the time I want to get good I want to get really really good and I am seeing myself progress and I know I’m doing that purely because I’ve done and I do different types of art all the time anyway tysm for making videos you’re helping me out a lot
if you have been doing graffiti for 50+ years, you are a graffiti artist. you are not an amateur, and whatever you are making is valid. in that case 'the scene' has to adjust to you.
Idk bro that fire peice might be that new freshness... it's not really a throwie yet its not a straight letter and it's pulling off à retro color scheme lol... u hit the nail right on the head tho.. practice always equals progress and with Graff I think some tend to forget that black book practice = style and design progress while time using çàns mostly always = çan control progress.... I can àlways tell when I've been slacking in the black book bècuz I'll àuto paint one or 2 styles over and over and I'll tell myself there looking better when I'm just using every ķinda color scheme
My thing is tags with a can I'm terribly at so I stick drip sticks and pens. But with a can I can get really nice faded and colour transition nice lines so on. But I also been into airbrush and miniature painting aswell. So I find I'm not struggling to much. I'm still a toy but I'm far from the worst
Doketv yes he practiced but he never practiced fundamentals and look how he got not disagreeing but I’m just saying this proves a point
Begin of tutorial: 9:31
Nice one
Accidents or mistakes or mishaps will happen & there’s nothing you can do about it however I’ve turned mistakes into some of the best stuff I’ve ever done totally kinda wingin it 🤷🏼♂️
wait fuk i dont know if im practicing right, ive been doing graff for like 3 to 4 months mainly tags and experimenting with style, the way i "practice" is making sketches whilst using the help lines and try to change bits of the style to make it look better is this the right way or should i practice another way, because i enjoy this no splits whatsoever i always just try to use the basics and implement my and different names in these forms
Just subbed bro. Almsot at 100k
or just go and buy the graffiti bible and do all task read all pages
Nothing against the authors, I'm sure they're great people but the book has misinformation and lots of it. I'd stay far away from the book.
you helped me so much
entertaining talk =)
I think you meant to say coherent thought. Bro mixed coherent and adhesive to make cohesive 😃
1 min in videos yes3 to 5 years or 10,000 hrs.
brilliant.
did homie at 1:50 have Culero tattooed on his finger 😂😂
fax
I don’t know about this 10/90 split or 60/40 split bull shit but all I know is ART is 100% FUN !!
Lmao agreed 👍
@@Theartistblock I wrote on how I got my name - I hope you read it and give feedback
How do we practice to get better ? Do I do same shit this ver n over again ?
Im always practicing my pieces
Yo ur almost at 100k 👀
Lol closing in on it. It's almost unreal to me man, I can't believe it
i just don’t have time to practice anymore, i’ve been painting for 18+ years. i use my free time to go bombing now a days
I'm a toy 😜
Doke is still pretty good artist though. Lol
Saber is fire tho
Yea he's wild man lol love his stuff.
"Thinking they are entitled to progress despite not practicing."
Nobody can get to the top of anything without practice.
And newsflash... NEWSflash. You gotta practice Every. Single. Fecking. Day to stay on top.
😂 the stick figure
Hey, i love your Videos- but.. can you speek a bit slower please?!
Thank you ❤
Sorry about that but that's how I naturally speak. If you'd like you can always rewind or go to the options and slow the playback speed as this would be more reasonable for you to do.
Edit: lol I wanted to clarify I'm saying this in a friendly way. I re read it and thought it sounded a bit mean and that's the tone I was thinking as I wrote it 😅
How to get good at graffiti:
Step 1: Actually do graffiti.
Step 2: don't get caught.
Half true. Practice. Do legal, don't worry!
@@jaqummh Where I am from, there is no "legal" walls they've all been removed or non legal anymore.
@@thegraffitifinder9694 Oh that is bummers!
@@jaqummh legAl? Lol doesnt count
@@bassmanoper6659 HA! Graffiti can be good only if it is done illegally? Bassoman, you obviously are not interested about the visual part of graffiti. You are obsessed about the rebel-aspect of graffiti culture. Go ahead and continue messing other peoples walls, and let the visual artists do the real art!
It's not toy grim it's anti style duh hahaha..
There’s a huge difference between drawing on paper and actually using a can of spray paint on a wall …
Technique is the only difference. The fundamentals behind letter structure and the elements of art don't change. Sure it's a pretty big leap to go from paper to walls but technique is the only thing that changes
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There's nothing wrong with not practicing but if you want to be good and stand out then yea I would put in that work. I have over 50 art books that I've filled out and I don't know how many pens and pencils I've gone through probably 1000s over my life time.