Don't Buy A Blacksmith Forge Until you See This First
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Was expecting info on the the forge, did i miss something in the title?
Exactly my thoughts
Have you ever thought about getting into wood turning? Boy would that be a treat to the eyes with your attention to detail, beautiful wood, and outstanding editing skills.
As a blacksmith, I couldn't help but shiver in pure terror by the looks of that anvil. By all that's good and holy, please resurface it.
zeezhz He is planning to buy one soon.
Rob Simpson
I am looking forward to your blacksmith videos.
R Mac
I know that. And I obviously didn't judge his ability based on my own standards. All I'm saying is: That is a god damn ugly, awful anvil.
That being said, don't take everything so seriously. I wasn't trolling, judging or anything.
I was about to say the same thing.. That thing is butt ugly and nowhere near flat. Didn't seem to have much of ring though.
Agreed, the surface pitting, on the anvil, will have an effect on the surface of the work. So how to resurface, grind flat, weld on a plate or use weld rod to surface harden?
if you brush the hot metal with a brass wire brush, you'll put a slightly gold color to your piece.
You'll also be buying a new brushes constantly.
Just a cost of doing business..
Jeff Benefield
But for personal use, brass braising rods are a cheaper and more durable way of getting a gold colored coating.
D Hawthorne ah, never thought about that. though one can get brass brushes from harbor freight here in the us for dirt cheap.
Imightberiding
Cody's already got a lot of beeswax lying around for all sorts of uses, so it's cheaper than driving all the way into town and buying something else.
Why would I need to see this before I buy a blacksmith forge?
Probably because most people shrug off wood and don’t think you can use it.
Jack Fountain coal is better than wood. If you can get it at least. I believe the only time wood is better is if it’s not possible to get coal or you have an unlimited supply of free wood
You can basically use a barbecue grill
@@JustinTopp Charcoal is wood
Peak Nonsense I never said anything about charcoal. I said coal. As in bituminous or anthracite. And charcoal isn’t the same as wood. It’s made from wood but it has all the impurities burned out of it so it burns cleaner
There are lots of UA-cam videos on making charcoal. I would encourage you to make a big batch of charcoal and forge with that. You will be impressed how much better it will work than burning wood.
The weight loss is oxidization. Your anvil is better than most beginners have. Many use old heavy equipment pieces. One thing Cody it looks like you have a rough weld on the edge of your anvil. That is very much like having a lump on your hammer. 20 minutes and an angle grinder should remedy it. By the way you're 90% of the way to a log dog!
whats a log dog?
just google it... -_-
Jose Luis Jaen Garcia i found something but simply entering "log dog" had some weird results.
Well, it seems so be something like a metal clasp to keep a block of wood in place while working on it.
Cody, coat the piece while it's hotter. The beeswax should almost boil off, smoke off very quickly when you touch it. It then binds chemically
Matt falconian, flaxseed oil also works great and I think it is a more durable finish. I put it on cold then heat it over the forge.
I haven't tried flaxseed. I've always used only beeswax, but you can use a mix of beeswax and parafin from synthetic candles. The metal must be hot for a good chemical bind, applying it cold and heating it may just vaporize it off, but not sure, can't really tell - I haven't tried it. :)
if its hotter you can also bathe it in used motoroil. You get a nice black colour from it and its also beeing protected from the elements.
Rodney carrington
Just got the Whitlocks large forge. So far so good. Thanks to Wanglerstar for the videos! Keep them coming!
You are getting back to homesteading again. That is pleasing to me. Also the title you have perfected! Great job at the poker!
Need to get my butt into gear and get some equipment. Wanted to do some blacksmithing again for a while. Used to use the side of a sledgehammer as an anvil to make small knifes, and used a mapp gas torch for heat, on refractory bricks. Looked a bit daft, but hey it worked lol. Nice videos sir, love them. Thanks.
Love it, great work, wrangler. Get yourself an extra coarse steel butcher block brush, can't beat em. It'll take small bits of scale like you had here off in a single swipe. Remember to mark it with which direction you push it, because they will break in after a while and won't brush the other way easily.
You make the best videos sir. Dead serious this makes my day better. I always wanted to try to get into metal working stickily as a hobby and after seeing the enjoyment it provides I now know what I will be asking for this Christmas lol.
This forge is great. I bought one last year after I saw Cody interview the family that invented it. I'm starting out blacksmithing, so the fuel freedom is a great advantage. Simple junk wood scraps of almost any type can get metal glowing hot and I've been using it for projects from wall hooks to railroad spike projects. I was out using it earlier today (big mistake it was freezing). No regrets on this one.
Glad you like it.
Fresh coffee and Wranglerstar video........ can't ask for a nicer Monday morning!!!
Morning Ken.
Many of you have asked where to get and how much the blacksmith forges cost. Here are the links to both.
Small Whitlox wood fired forge: goo.gl/AO3q5W
Large Whitlox wood fired forge: goo.gl/MPx974
Wranglerstar I thought It would be much more expensive... I might have to upgrade from my break drum forge to this !
Thanks for the link Cody. Would sure like to try my hand at this.
Wranglersta
why buy what you can make just as simple? a forge doesn't need to be more than something to hold coals with an air intake. I made one from an old brake rotor and a lawnmower that works just fine, and i use a hair dryer or a bag bellows for airflow. also if I may make a suggestion, hardwood lump charcoal could work better than the wood you currently have.
ThatFoxGuy24 and buy the hardwood chunks instead of using the wood he has on his land?
Looking forward to seeing the final piece. The blacksmithing videos are some of my favorite - watching the fire and metal do their thing is always fun. That poker shape is nice practice for making some small log dogs later on also. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!
wranglerstar you're a better man than me. I don't believe I could have would have been as polite as you in regard to all the people that apparently have nothing better to do than sit around and try to find fault in everything you do or say or how you do it or how you say it. There are obviously many ways to do almost anything. What works best for one man and his needs may not work for the next. I for one truly appreciate your videos and the information that you share.
Your projects are very interesting to me. I thoroughly enjoy them.
Thanks for sparking up a bit of curiosity in me with this video, Wranglestar.
I looked it up as you said you weren't sure what scales were at 4:03 (and well, honestly I had no clue either) but after a little digging around I learnt a few things:
Scales are Fe3O4 (iron oxide) which pretty much is rust (oxidized iron) but it has a different molecular structure than your typical rust.
The iron oxide is harder than the steel and will embed itself into the piece you're hammering if you don't brush it off.
It is also advisable to brush it off of your anvil surface as it will also dent the anvil.
The method of how you heat your piece can apparently also affect scaling, essentially, if you want to avoid scaling you should heat the metal at (I assume) the hottest area of your forge where the oxygen can't reach (because it is consumed by the fire on the way in)
Word of warning; I'm neither a blacksmith or chemist, now that you know it, act accordingly.
I'd be curious to see how scaling would affect a piece visually and functionally if it wasn't brushed off, and if those scales could be useful for anything else in particular?
I wish I had a place to try out these things. I love making things myself, electronics, wood, reusing things to make other things. I would love to try this.
Nice production quality!! Great to watch and really kept my attention!!
Just for reference, what you were brushing off was not slag but as you said originally, scale, which is oxidisation of the steel. Slag on the other hand is a form of glass, resulting from high heat, usually melting or smelting of steel. It's mostly amorphous character is given by the presence of large amounts of silica and many trace elements, often coming from the refractory materials lining the walls of the smelter or cupola foundry.
Chandler Dickens has a good channel if you need some ideas on blacksmithing he makes some really neat stuff
Joe West v
Joe West I agree, Chandler is great and teaches well.
Chandler is awsome! You should also check out workshop Of death channel they have some cool Blacksmithing stuff too
The scale is a type of iron oxide that forms when the hot metal comes in contact with the air around it
Shiv Patel yes. yes it is
You did a great job on that poker and it is something that can be used for generations
here's some tips, I don't know if someone else has told you this yet though. if you do more rapid hits rather than longer wind up hits you'll have more control of the metal. the scale is actually the outer layer of the piece oxidizing because it cools real quick, when you quench it covers it in scale so you normally don't for nicer projects. you never want to heat the piece to hotter than a light orange, as soon as it looks yellow it is actually slightly melting and a little past that it starts to spark pretty bad, i lost a lot of arm hair from trying to heat it too much. if you want to change the color a little you can brush it with a brass brush. good luck, carpentry, pottery, and smithing are the purest works a man can do. good job on rounding that piece too, I tried to help a friend learn and he must have messed up at least 4 times before getting the hang of it.
From blacksmith to blacksmith looks really nice great job !
Oh shit man I was JUST about to run out and get a forge until I saw this video, good thing I saw it in time ;)
Just facetious. Thanks Cody!
Can't wait to see the handle, great job by the way.
Move the stock under the hammer not move the hammer across the stock lets you build a rhythm keeping the hammer moving hence the blacksmiths 'tap' on the anvil.Keep up the good work.
Awesome stuff and inspiring, keep up the good work.
Well, that is a first for me. I live here in original Osage Indian Territory on the Little Osage River in Kansas. I have never heard the word Osage pronounced 'Oh-saw-j'. I have always heard it pronounced 'Oh-say-j'. Just s small thing, not trying to pick a fight.
Speaking of how hard the wood is, my grandmother hit an Osage fence post about 40 years after she had helped to put it in the ground. The car was totaled and 25 years later we are still using that fence post.
***** I agree. And, it doesn't even matter. I was more putting it out there as a way for me to get corrected if I was saying it wrong than to correct Captain WranglerStar.
I'm from IL and we would say it Ah-s-edge heh
hi all i live in australia and we have a couple of shelter belts of these trees we say it osij i presume my grandfather planted them but dont know when though
Rick Stewart being from Kansas as well, I've only ever heard it said "o-say-j" however, you could just call it hedgewood and save yourself a bunch of headaches and disagreements with people who get their panties in a twitch over your colloquial and correct pronunciation of the word, and the efforts to try and educate someone on something small and utterly useless to combat with you over. However, just my opinion. Lol
I'm from Missouri near Osage. It's pronounced as it looks, oh-sage. Also Bois d'arc is french for the same tree. Means land of arcs. Being Irish we just call the trees them damn hedge trees.
The fire poker turned out great. Good first black smithing project.
technically not his first
Video flagged for forgery 😂😂 awesome vid bud, keep em coming lol
I'll give that a 21 "nice" solute. You need some "nice" traps over there. Seems they're running amuck around your shop haha! Good job. Inspiring videos!
I believe scale is actually an oxide layer that builds up during exposure to the fire. It's why you use flux when you fireweld, it stops the scale from building up, giving you a clean surface to weld.
I also wouldn't worry about not being good tbh. It's an old addage that experience is something you get about 2 seconds after you need it, doesn't make it any less true. I find it fascinating to see you go through this learning process, almost as fascinating as watching you perform these projects if I'm honest.
I love watching your videos, keep up the good work. God bless
For all of you who want to start forging, look at coal drum forge setup. I build mine and bought all the stuff that I need (including hammer and a 120lbs H beam that I use as a anvil) for about 200$ 👍 wranglerstar, don't forget to temper your point, and brush a bit more often especially because you use wood to heat it up :) have fun
Great job with your vlogs i really enjoy watching them im in Oregon City and do concrete if you need any poured let me know GOD bless
Good stuff. Keep up the good work. God Bless!
Cody,
Excellent to see more forging videos, it puts me in the mood to work with my hands. Question: is all that beeswax from your bees? how has your hive been doing? Just curious!
Thank you for your videos as always,
Brad
I'm really enjoying the progress videos... Not that I dont enjoy most of the videos you put out. As someone who can put 2+2 together, I feel like I get more out of the clip when more progress has been made than a few cuts, or a handful of pounds of the hammer. Keep up the good work!
Hi W,watching you smith,reminded me of me the other week and the amount of respect i gained for the Blacksmiths that made it look so easy,but it isnt.I have been in metal all my life,i am a coded pipe welder,and we make it look easy in all positions.
i have made things straight before on anvils,but now when i normalise some spring steel for knife making,it warps,and then i am left with a snake after attempting to straighten it,^*%*$%#$U%$!!!
I am not going to quit,but realise why so many knife makers do stock removal.
Keep up the vids of smithing!!
Awesome little project man!! Have you thought about cleaning up your anvil as a video? A lot of us would like to see that and it looks, lets say well loved lol! Keep up the videos sir!
I'm looking to get my grandfather's billows and anvil from my father to set it up. I'm looking up what it would cost me to set up and I just randomly clicked on videos. Funny how I found my way back to Wranglestar's channel. I also found out a few days ago my father follows your channel as well. He does not watch much UA-cam so it was surprising.
For that finish you can mix bee's wax and canola oil to basically make a thick pudding/margarine which is easy to apply with a cotton cloth.
I don't know why but I'm really enjoying these videos about the forge and poker.
If you need some Midwest Osage Orange let me know. It is my wood of choice for knife scales, and we have a lot of it on the farm. Can't tell you how much I enjoy these.
You're so right, fewer strikes makes for a nicer product.
It would be pretty cool to be a fly on the wall and take a trip down memory lane with that old anvil, bet there is lots of hours and history there, I know some about forging and have done some but it's neat to "rekindle" the fire in my interest. It's fun to hone your skills- watch those gooies! - thanks Cody.
Oil quenching hardens, but doesn't shock your metal. It also adds a layer of carbon on the surface that will help prevent rusting, similar to how cast iron pans are seasoned before being sold.
Hey I love it when the fam gets in the vid., it's great brother.
Great to do in cold winter! A nice warm thing to do! I bet the fire smells good! 😂
Make holdfasts! You'll love what they do for your woodworking.
Great video! Thanks for sharing
600$ for that very unstable forge that is atrocious. why you you buy that when you can buy something much better for less?
Stop talking nonsense,
You could probably build a better one for less.
like bryce said, you can get one way cheaper, mine cost €350
@@hiddokramer
€350 = $596 .... therefore yeaaa it is "cheaper" but not by much
I'm building one for free.... all you need is an old charcoal grill.. clay you pulled from your backyard, a steel pipe and a drill to put holes in it. forced air can come from a foot pump to fill up inflatable mattresses. total cost: $0.
I believe that the scale is the metal oxidizing quickly with the air. I'm not a black smith but I have a good understanding of chemistry.
Just a suggestion as it looked like you were fighting the hammer a little bit. I have found that dropping down in hammer size can help with control. A 2 or 3 pound hammer will be enough for most applications and give you more control, I only use 4 pound and larger hammers when I really need to move a lot of metal.
Good project. Looks like repeating that four times would make a good set of log dogs. May be a useful tool in your world.
Thanks Cody!
Cody, will you make a video of your current chainsaws/handsaws "collection"?
Listening to you work, you sound like the Bob Ross of blacksmithing ... and that's not a bad thing.
Now you be able to build your own Holdfast for your bench :) I'am awaitng for an video ;)
Great video! Awesome red union suit sleeves LOL...
Correction sir, that is not "Scale" sloughing off during the forge. Those flakes are called "Slag" and is a result of metal oxidation. When metal is heated to a forging temperature, the steel reacts with the heat and the air, hence "Oxidation. As you continue forging and reheating more and more metal is oxidized and turned to slag flake. When forging tools it is important to keep the anvil face clean and free of slag. If you are forging with slag on the anvil face, it will become embedded in the steel and will weaken it. The slag also interferes with the heat treating and tempering of metals when embedded in the surface because it prevents an even heat necessary for proper heat hardening. As the slag falls off and away, it leaves deep pits in the surface of your tool and introduces pockets that will lead to rust. You still have much to learn. Nice video, keep practicing and keep learning.
JW
wranglerstar, would you mind revisiting your tin pants? I bought a pair and would love to hear your likes and dislikes about them.
thank you for all the work you put into your channel!
Nathan
i just commented on your first part video to this one but another suggestion i havent seen in the comments is invest in a butcher block brush those little wire brushes arent very good at remove scale or cleaning up the steel often missing the stuck on oxide layer (firescale) and to antique the piece keep your steel at a dull red/black heat and brush with a brass bristle brush the brass will transfer to the steel and give it a golden hue
Seeing that beewax.. are you still beekeeping Cody? If yes, do a quick update. Thanks - love all videos. Really inspired me..
"Watch your gooeys!" HAHAHAH!!
7:08 i dont normally call things cute, but the fact that jack thinks that a video could go out a day before its made is amazing.
You'll have to get yourself a swage block next. Then you can make all sorts of shapes and cylinders. Good job.
Love your videos! Do you think that maybe you could burn the handle on? I've seen videos of blacksmithing where that's done, but only on knifes, so I'm not sure if it will work here as well. All the best!
If you finish on a wet anvil the steam blasts away any scale and gives a clean and smooth finish. Dip the hammer before hitting too,plenty nice hot steam.
I'm new to your channel..all i can say..I'm happy i found ya...
great video!maybe clean up that anvil with an angle grinder, you'll want a smooth surface
😂😂😂 Sorry for laughing Cody but did you say "gooies" or "goodies" there!!?? Haha! The funniest Wranglerstar moment yet! haha...
Scale is actually rapidly forming oxide. The heat speeds up the reaction of the steel hitting the air.
Gosh, I thought I was going to learn how to build a forge.
god ime glad i saw this, i was going to buy a blacksmiths forge for the grandkids for christmas, thanks
I know this is a old vid, but for what time you have and what tools ( one of my anvils is a Vulcan ( one much like you own)) and good work. I like the forge but maybe try to make charcoal to use.
The scale that forms when you heat steel is Iron Oxide, the same stuff as rust just in a different form. The heat acts like a catalyst to speed up the oxidation process.
You also get martensite at certain temperatures. It's the hard Gray scale that comes off after hardening.
A deer femor bone would make a great handle. the portion up by the hip joint.
That's a nice job your making there...
Great work!
I believe those "slag" bits are scale oxidation. The when stuff is hot chemical reactions like oxidation can happen much faster than at room temperature. The standard way of minimizing it is to use flux or inert gases to displace normal atmosphere.
hay wranglerstat great videos love all of them is there anything you can do for an old axe-head that has busted or cracked a little bit can you tack weild it or is it just pretty much done for
second amendment Depends on the size, extent, and location of the crack. Several of the folks in the Axe Junkies Facebook group have repaired cracked heads. If you need advice search there and read the posts about cracked head repairs, and you can post a pic of yours if you still have questions.
dont worry practice makes perfect, your new without a doubt every time you do some smithing you will get better
The scale is not impurities in the iron it is oxides forming on the hot surface.
As for the anvil it really needs to be resurfaced to remove the rounding on it.
i just finished my slef made forge 1 week ago :) looks quite similar to your one. But the true question is: Where can i get a cheap anvil? they are expensive as hell.... and i dont know where i can get rails from
Scale is steel that has essentially "turbo-rusted", because the high temperature increases the rate of the oxidation reaction.
I love your videos inspired me to do a lot of thing next up forge haha
Is that forge a bottom blast or end (side) blast? I like the design though - might re-purpose an old BBQ into one like that - more useful for long pieces than my current bottom blast made from an old propane tank!
I'm not impressed until I see a hand forged 940... 😀
So the terms slag and scale were used in the video. Scale is covered many times below but not slag. Slag is from when the steel is being made and is in part made up of impurities. It is a separate layer formed in a furnace with molten metal.
You should make a golf ball handle like you did for the file
Your having too much fun. I cant wait to see the handle you make for it.
the black flakes are from when your peice of metal gets to hot of a temp and oxidates to prevent from that happening and loosing metal sprinkle flux on your pieces after takin them out the forge
4:20 it is the same iron oxidising very fast at that temperature ;)