Nah, not pain--he can't feel anything anymore. His nerves are dead. It's his jumbled up emotions. That confusing, intense ball of love and hate and obsession. But yeah, the blood tears are the tell that he's Not OK int he slightest.
@@blacknoise Also if you notice, he is smiling whenever he's crying as a kid. We can't see his tears anymore, but when he's smiling like during Twice's death or fighting his family, there's a good change he's crying too.
@@lightandleaves3858 nah I don’t buy the twice death bit at all. Dabi isn’t emotionally invested in the League. He isn’t even emotionally invested in his siblings or his mother. The only thing driving him is How To Get At Endeavor. He filmed Twice’s death to bury Hawks’ reputation and by proxy add ammo to his Endeavor smear campaign. That smile? That was glee.
@@blacknoise He can be though. He acts like he doesn't care, yet he does small acts of kindness around him (I won't spoil which one is at the forefront of my mind). Even Toga says he's kind. Doesn't mean he LOVES the LOV, just that he's not completely indifferent. He's an unreliable narrator. They're not his main concern, that doesn't mean he feels nothing for them. That smile could have been glee AND pain. You can feel multiple conflicting emotions at the same time. He cares a bit too much about his family, but his vision is blinded by his rage against Endeavour. You could argue that he wants his dad to die because 'then everything will be fine' and in that sense it's also for his family. Removing the 'problem' that broke them all apart. He witnessed all the abuse and that's when his mind broke as well. We can't know for sure what he's thinking or feeling, but there are hints of it in the way he says his siblings' names, how he says 'Mom' and not 'Mother' or 'Rei Todoroki' and how he cries blood thinking about them.
Technically Deku saved the entire todoroki family by saving shoto back in season 2. His sacrifice of not winning the tournament was indirectly saving a family with no hope
Yeah, this was called “The wrong way to put out a fire” for a reason. It’s honestly a perfect way of looking at what Endeavor did to Touya. Endeavor sparked the fire, and instead of giving it calm and gentle water or something to put it out, he basically poured gasoline and paint thinner on it, and then proceeded to ignore the fire and let it build, not realizing that he was not only the root of the problem but also the main one making it worse. And by the time he did realize it, it’s all just too little too late.
I love how the Todoroki family is handled in this series I love how Hirokoshi handles the Todoroki drama. It was an extremely difficult situation, and unlike some anime where everyone makes the absolute right decision all the time and it’s just like “whoopsie wasn’t my fault”, no one knows exactly what to do. Endeavor lit the fire under Toya to surpass AllMight before he started burning himself. After that he desperately started having more and more children, hoping to have one good enough to stop Toya from wanting to be a hero, because he doesn’t know what to do. Rei grows tired and resentful of the eyes of resentment given by Toya and Endeavor, where Endeavor doesn’t know where to turn to to let his frustration and helplessness out, so he turns it on Rei. He has to keep Shoto away from Toya to keep him safe from him and desperately tries to raise him to be a hero good enough to make his son quit, because he doesn’t know what to say otherwise. It wasn’t how he should have extinguish the flames of ambition he lit under Toya, it was the “wrong way to put out a fire.” Also while it was mostly Endeavor’s fault for failing his son and his family, everyone takes a little piece of the blame to help ease the burden on the only one who can stop him. Fuyumi pretends not to see the cracks forming in the family, and puts up a front of pretending everything is happy and alright to try and delude herself into thinking it is. Understandable for a child to want to ignore the problems of life. Rei, who felt helpless and didn’t know what to do, could have refused Endeavor at any time. Right at the beginning she could have refused the arranged marriage, and could have stopped having kids and try and find a different solution for Toya’s problems. But like Endeavor she didn’t know what to do, and went along with him because of her unknowing what to do. Again, completely understandable, she might have felt she owed her family and went with Enji to help her family’s money, and didn’t know what to do but still festered resentment towards the eyes of her the source of her despair and fear, the eyes of Endeavor. And finally Natsu. Natsu fully states that it was mostly Endeavor’s fault, which is true, but that he could have done more to help Toya. He was tired of Toya complaining to him and rather than try and help him he ignored his gripes and ignored his cries for help. It’s understandable that as a child he shouldn’t have the responsibility of having to deal with a complex issue like that and it was completely understandable to get tired of it and ignore it, but that wouldn’t stop an adult him from feeling the guilt of not doing anything. In thr end, it was both nobody’s fault and everybody’s fault. Even though it was out of their hands, no one handeled it perfectly, like how an actual family in that situation wouldn’t have handled it perfectly either. Even though it was understandable that they couldn’t do something, it doesn’t stop them from feeling some sense of guilt for not trying harder. It’s like survivor’s guilt, it’s not your fault you couldn’t help everyone survive but you still wonder why you were spared and feel guilty that the others weren’t. They all feel guilty, and that’s exactly how a real family would feel in this situation. Oh and Hawks and Best Jeanist were there. Kind of a weird for them to just butt into a family affair like that, should have left once they heard they were having a family thing. But I guess that’s realistic too, everyone LOVES drama.
I love how characters in MHA are so grounded in reality for the most part. Other anime have characters who’s entire village is murdered, but I can never truly feel for them. Whereas seeing people with realistic problems like a father pushing his ambitions onto his kids and a son trying to impress and be acknowledged by his dad makes me feel so much stronger. People also don’t realize how dark MHA actually is because it isn’t as violent or bloody. Characters like Shigaraki, Endeavor, Dabi, and Toga really show you how dark the series is and how messed up society is.
So we finally got a Todoroki age gap confirmation. When Shouto's 5, Fuyumi was 12, Natsuo was 8, and Touya was 13. Birthdays Touya - Jan 18 Fuyumi - Dec 6 (same year as Touya, 11 months younger) Natsuo - July 1 (3.5 years younger than Fuyumi) - Touya was only 4 when Natsuo was born Shouto - Jan 11 (born a week before Touya's 9th birthday) - Touya would have been 9 when he attacked baby Shouto. Meaning that Fuyumi was 8, Natsuo was 4. So during the flashback of little Touya and Fuyumi, Touya was 3 years old. He was 3 when his hair started turning white and Enji shut him out. His entire life has been focused on beating All Might and making his dad proud of him, and now all of that was gone. And he didn't understand. Touya was 13, maybe 14, when he burned on Sekoto peak. Touya is now 24. He's been missing, presumed dead for over a decade.
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@@TheCustodians Dabi to Endeavour: “Who filled my head with dreams? Who drove me to train until my bones cracked? Who denied me my destiny?” As he flash-fire-fists the shit out of Endeavour (the flames are even the right colour)
Honestly, when this stuff was happening in the manga, there were some really yikes takes from people. People saying that Touya didn't have it so bad because Endeavor never abused him. Like, news flash, neglect is a form of abuse. Not just neglect, emotional trauma. It felt like people were trying to shift all of the blame away from Endeavor and onto the victim, Touya. Because there are so many ways Endeavor could've handled this differently. First, you should never try to live out your failures in life through your children. Side note, Endeavor seeking out Rei to create a powerful weapon is so yikes. It's not an act of love. It's an act of seeking power. Moving on though, once he found out Touya's quirk harmed his body when he went overboard, there are several things he could've done. A. Tell Touya that he'll love him regardless on if he can surpass All Might and that he loves him for who he is as a person and not his quirk B. Tell him that he can still be a great hero, just not the Number 1. And that he's fine with it because Touya tried his best C. Tell Touya that he can still be the Number One hero but only if he finds a way to stop or minimize the damage done to himself(like how the Nurse at UA told Izuku to find less self-destructive ways to use his power) D. Actually talk to Touya and stop expecting the problem to just go away, especially since he created it If all of that fails and he still decides to have more children, there's always one final option(hypothetical if Endeavor had treated Touya somewhat better) E. Stop training Shoto and Touya separately. Some heroes become partners to cover each other's weaknesses. He could show them both love and have Shoto cool off Touya when he begins to overheat and have Touya go for more powerful fire blasts that Shoto can't do. Raise them as sibling heroes But he didn't do that. He instead ignored most of his family. When he wasn't ignoring them, he was harshly training Shoto or yelling or hitting Rei. Touya saw that he was born and tossed aside for his father's ambition. He revealed that he'd been watching his family after he burned up too. And he likely saw that Endeavor didn't change even after his "death". Endeavor got worse. He was replaced in life. And his death didn't change anything. He probably questioned why he was born at all. Until there was nothing inside him but emptiness and hatred. This was the wrong way to put out a fire. And that's how Dabi was born.
I also think the fact that hero society places so much importance in Quirks is also part of the reason this happened: Toya could have trained to be a capable hero without depending on his Quirk as the only weapon in his wheelhouse. Endeavor also could have provided him with support items to help with body temp regulation, the same way Aoyama uses his belt to help with his Laser quirk. There were a lot of solutions here- maybe they wouldn't have brought us to the ideal that Endeavor had (raising a kid to surpass All Might), but let's be honest, that ideal sucks balls and shouldn't have been Endeavor's goal in the first place.
Agree 100%. Sadly, that seems to be a lot of people's reaction to irl victims as well, so as disheartening as it to see, it didn't even surprise me when readers were shifting the blame onto Touya. I never even considered the possibility that Endeavor could have trained Shoto to use his ice to help Touya. They could have been an amazing hero duo given the chance.
@@Remisaku I know you probably didn’t mean it that way, but I don’t think him seeing his sons death should justify him getting worse. If anything it probably should have been a wake up call to what this is doing to his kids and how far this has gone.
On the international heroes from left to right. Elecplant: A hero from the U.S, appeared on 2 Heroes in the flashback during All Might's time studying abroad in America, two villains rob a casino in Los Angeles, California. Elecplant and Cow Lady join the first responders, but allow the villains to get away after a short skirmish. They watch from the sidelines as All Might wins the day, and they learn about him from David Shield, then on World Heroes' Mission together with Hawks, Tokoyami and Godzillo on the U.S. Since during the flashback All Might must've been on his early 20s, that would put him on his 60-70s age wise since AM is around 55-56 currently. Quirk: Electricity Generation, it grants him the ability to produce blasts of electricity from his body. His hero costume helps him channel his electricity. - Big Red Dot: The No. 1 Hero in Singapore. He helped fight Humarise there along with Majestic, Momo and Setsuna. Quirk: Tidal Bore, his quirk allows him to produce a large and powerful blast of water from his mouth. - Salaam: The No. 1 Pro Hero in Egypt. He helped fight Humarise in Egypt alongside Kamui Woods, Edgeshot, Mt Lady, Kaminari, Sero and Shiozaki. Quirk: Papyrus, his quirk allows him to turn his body paper-thin, allowing him to slip through narrow spaces and ride the wind, making him very fast. - Nyikang: He's a Sudanese Pro Hero that's seen walking amongst the crowd at the I-Expo preview in Two Heroes. Quirk: Spirit Possession, his quirk allows him to convert his consciousness into spiritual energy which he can send towards a target to possess them, he's also seen carrying a large sword, presumably for combat purposes. - bottom one is unknown for now, all this info I got from the wiki and the movies.
@@icantbelieveyoudonethis4059 He’s literally admitting his folly for the last couple of seasons including this one. He blamed himself for Toya’s apparent death like 10 years ago when it happened before the series even started and has blamed himself for it since, only to find out that it lead to Dabi. He’s long since admitted it. He was frozen because the sight of his son in danger along with other factors like the shock of Toya being alive paralyzed him in fear and doubt. It all crushed him and his spirit and his regrets stop him from finding the drive to move forward. To think Endeavor STILL refuses to accept that he’s done wrong is blatantly admitting to not paying attention.
I love how the series doesn't try to sugarcoat anything related to Endeavor and his treatment to his family. His entire character is centered around him being an AWFUL person and slowly improving
Rhett, can confirm that it is the CRC house. I was thinking of mentioning it a couple episodes ago, but this is one of the clearest shots of the house we've seen. It's why we needed a CRC vs LOV flashback in the anime. It honestly makes sense for the LOV to go there after the fight. It's abandoned and the League isn't linked publically to it, which makes it's a good safe house.
The todotoki family subplot was already so good, but this episode adds a whole new layer of depth and realism and took it to the next level, studio bones did it great too.
"So what happened to the 7th prison?" Knowing the most recent chapter(s) in the manga... I'm SOOOOOO stoked for that reveal. No spoilers obviously. There's so many big moments and reveals coming. Waiting each week sucks lol
I freaking G A S P E D when what was revealed was revealed. I was kind of hoping, in the back of my mind, but at the same time it was completely unexpected!
@@benfraser1856 I just hope they have some sort of flashback/callback to the prison thing and the other recent revelation because both of them originate from small details that take a *while* to actually come back around. I feel like most anime watchers won't remember them by next season. Hell, I doubt many manga readers remembered the second thing and probably only remembered the prison thing because it happened recently in the anime.
@@AbstraktZ ok spoilers below the cut, don't click "read more" unless you want spoilers! that's the prison Gentle Criminal is being kept at. After AFO's goons broke everyone out, he single handedly recaptured them and kept them from escaping! What a legend
Spoilers: Yep, next ep is going to have some important stuff about ofa and a few reveals install too Im really looking forward to hearing the custodians speculate on the 2nd, 3rd and 6th user quirks (espically about the 2nd and 3rd user indentites)
33:30 I believe during the fight with Hood, before the first Prominence Burn Endeavor says "that was the reason" and all family members including Toya were shown
From what I understand, most equipment for fire users are flame retardant to a certain extent but the problem is that, as All Might had said, if you rely on your equipment too much the moment they are taken from you or destroyed, you are at a severe disadvantage. And at the same time, Toya's body needs to tolerate the fire power he puts out or else he might not be able to tackle Endeavor/All Might level villains; if he's held back due to equipment and such, he won't be good enough. This similar situation happened with Shoto in season 1, his suit had a built in heater to help midigate the ice he made so that he didn't have to rely on his father fire but after the sports festival, Shoto had to acknowledge that his fire power was more useful than relying on the heater.
Here Rei says - "Hero? You're just running away..." While in the manga, she says - "Hero? Some hero you are... running away..." I don't know why but the manga version sounded more sarcastic to me.
Also, about there being more kids. I think that might have been true for Fuyumi, but when you look at the conversation later and she says that "this is too cruel" and Endeavor says that "this is the only way to stop Toya", and then every time they fail at having the perfect child and you look at how crazed Endeavor is and how beat down Rei looks, you realize that Natsuo and Shoto probably weren't born out of love but more so just trying again and again for that masterpiece child.
I remember reading this part of the Manga almost 2 years ago. I just couldn't believe what I was reading, this whole backstory is so complex with so many layers and prospectives. The anime did a fantastic job portraying it, I couldn't be happier with this episode. Here are my thoughts on Endeavor. Endeavor is such a mess, it's incredible how he's portrayed. At a basic level he has the positive emotions of "caring" for his children's well being. The major problem in his life tho is that every time an issue arises his solutions are always wild. For example : "I can't surpass All Might? Guess I have to buy a wife to produce a super baby!". "My son's quirk is harming him? Guess he will be forced to never use it ever again,for his whole life". "Touya tried to harm Shoto? Guess I'll keep Shoto isolated from all his siblings". "My wife harmed my son? Time to put her in a mental hospital for ten years". "Natsu won't accept me? I'll buy him a new house so he doesn't need to see me ever again". "Dabi is Touya? Guess I'll just wallow in my own despair and do nothing to solve the situation". Every time he runs away instead of confronting the issues directly or just takes the most extreme approaches possible. He literally thought that by making more kids Touya will forget to become better than All Might on his own. Who thinks like that?! And because he doesn't know how to convince Touya by talking to him he just hopes he will forget all by himself and when it eventually fails he just lashes out at Rei. He tried talking to Touya, but it was too little to late (plus when Touya attacks baby Shoto it's heavily implayed that Endeavor had to knock Touya out to protect Shoto, judging by his burned sleeve in the next scene, which was definitely the moment when a line was crossed between the two). When Touya "died" he felt that the only way to not be crushed by the guilt of everything he has done was to fulfill his dream anyway by making Shoto the ultimate hero, so at least it wasn't all for nothing, instead of learning from his past experiences he just marches forward trying to fulfill his goal without looking back. "Endeavor the hero is dead. I can't fight my own son". Even if it is more understandable this time, he was still going to run away instead of taking responsibility for his actions. This is why it was so important for Rei and Shoto to confront him. They needed to tell him that, even tho the whole family minus Shoto could have done something to help Toya, he is the cause of all of this and thus he can't run away this time, he needs to get up and face his mistakes head on. I can't believe this is in a Manga. This isn't fiction anymore guys, this is just real world writing we are experiencing.
To be fair on the Natsuo part, if Natsuo is completely intolerant to Enji’s presence and attempts at being a better father, to continue to force his presence on Natsuo is wrong. He cares about how his family feels about him and to respect Natsuo’s feelings of not wanting anything to do with Enji, Enji will do what it takes to do that. And remember, the house isn’t only for Natsuo. Enji also fears that bringing Rei back into a house where he is after she burned Shoto for reminding her of Enji after all his abuse isn’t good for her. That’s reasonable. Victims should absolutely have the right to not interact with their abuser if they don’t want to and Enji knows, understands and respects that. He can reach out all he wants but none of them have any obligation to accept him back into their life.
@@pj_spirit thanks for the comment, I hoped someone would bring me some challenging arguments👍 I'll give my best to try and explain more clearly my stance on this one decision Enji made. Enji definitely meant to respect Natsu's wishes by suggesting that and didn't want to impose. He definitely already had a huge amount of character growth by that point and had come to realize just how much he hurt his family and that usually nobody that does stuff like that could ever hope for forgiveness. My point is tho that by isolating himself from Natsu he was also harming any chances of ever having a better relationship with him. How can you expect anything to change if you're not around to show that you care. That was his mistake with Touya. It was easier to say "I suck, so I'm gonna leave you alone" and justify it as the right thing to do because it was respecting Natsu's wishes, even tho there were other options, like Idk facing your mistakes and maybe show Natsu slowly how much you regret what you've done. I hope I made my point more clear. Honestly I had forgotten that it was also for Rei so thank you for reminding me, that is definitely something that needed to be managed more slowly and by a distance at least so I don't have anything to reprimand Endeavor there. The meeting at the hospital could only work because she asked for it, Enji knew not to rush things there. My overall point was that Enji's actions follow an internal (at times very strange but consistent) logic. Man, it's crazy how many angles his relationships take.
@@silveratlas2706 I understand where you are coming from with the Natsuo thing, but you are just completely wrong when you say that an abuser constantly being around one of their victims will show that said abuser is repenting their actions, imo. Natsuo even said that every time he looks at endeavor he remembers the abuse. It would be cruel of endeavor to force Natsuo to be in his presence even after knowing how much it affects him. Victims don’t need to interact with their abusers unless they themselves want to, period. If anything, it’s better for Natsuo to be given the chance to interact with endeavor out of his own free will instead of just being forced to do it because of their living situation.
This is an incredibly complex episode with lots of nuanced emotions. I was CONSIDERING going through this whole thing point by point and cover the in depth nuance, but it got SO long even I realized, “No one will read this.” And I scrapped it. XD there goes an hour of writing. So I’ll just say the bare bones. This STARTED as a quirk marriage, this STARTED as a passion project to surpass All-Might. But became a large scale effort to prevent the golden child Touya Todoroki from endlessly pursuing a route in life that would most certainly lead to his own death. Each effort got blunter and blunter making another nail in his coffin instead of a deterrent and accidentally creating a sociopathic murderer hell bent on destroying what is now a somehow more functional family now than ever before. Rei hated Endeavor, but has come to realize she never took it on herself to understand him. (And won’t give him leeway.) Her mere presence from a situation she DID have the power to walk away from and take the kids with her is the sign that she DOES still love Endeavor. And I see that flower she brings in as a “Let’s start over.” Not for the kids, but for her and Enji. Endeavor has INCREDIBLY weak empathy making NONE of his methods work correctly because he didn’t use them with enough care. Even though each choice DOES actually have logic behind it. The ONLY thing that you can tell how much he empathized with was the absolute terror of Touya’s quirk recoil. He knew EXACTLY how much it hurt him because he considers his OWN recoil the exact reason he’s not Number 1. And as All-Might got better, it showed the gap for Endeavor, but also how hard Touya was pushing himself. He was struggling in vein to stop this, but didn’t have the emotional capability to do it. He also has among the WORST emotional traits. The trait of showing sorrow and fear as anger. He is DESPERATE to not show vulnerability. And I think that is EXACTLY why Rei knows he IS trying. Because it’s a mask. And he can’t maintain it forever. This crash is years too late for the kids to see. But considering what kind of man Endeavor is, it also shouldn’t be surprising it took til THIS happened. There isn’t a single family member that doesn’t feel guilt of the events. But there also isn’t a single one that doesn’t desperately want to fix things. Natsuo is the MOST resentful of his dad, but even that doesn’t spell to me he will cut him off once Touya is stopped. The chances of Touya Todoroki having the ultimate irony of being ANOTHER half cold-half hot wielder is TERRIFYINGLY high he could have grown to in his adulthood. I have been curious about how he cried when he got excited. And that may have been melted ice for all we know. His hair STRAIGHT UP matches Shoto for a year or so. Natsuo lost his red hair, and Fuyumi stayed the same. Touya’s went through a LARGE transition. And while Shoto’s hair has no connection to his quirk, (DNA is not constrained to one side of your body. If he has both, it doesn’t mean it HAS to stay on one side.) that doesn’t mean that it’s exactly the same for the other siblings. But it would be the ULTIMATE irony and nothing would hurt the Todoroki’s more that he ACTUALLY transforms his quirk more. (This is an unproven theory, but I do VERY much so believe in it.) But if there’s one thing above all I love, it is the mere MENTION of the term One For All blows the lid of more than a CENTURY of hiding from AFO, the government, the public, and all other villains. The MOMENT Shigaraki says where is OFA, Endeavor asked what it was. And Deku IMMEDIATELY ran from the evacuation site and Shigaraki went after him INSTANTLY. It wasn’t the extra quirks that gave him away, it wasn’t Bakugo revealing anything, it wasn’t Deku being registered quirkless in elementary school and middle school. It was JUST the fact that AFO found out Izuku Midoriya was the 9th wielder ALL THE WAY back in season 3. He used Search and shouted at All-Might. The worst case scenario had ALREADY been laid bare 3 seasons ago. It’s a MIRACLE it lasted this long. But the unknown connection to All-Might, AFO’s grudge with the man. Deku being hunted. And just…there’s no more hiding it. Thank GOD only the Todoroki’s have become aware with the top 3 heroes. Everyone else just believes it’s a connection with AFO. Which it is INTEGRALLY. But Deku becoming the new Symbol of Peace and All-Might’s successor HAS to be prevented from being FULLY leaked because then Deku gets blamed for the war itself. Because ALL OF THIS. Was for the sole purpose of hunting him down to kickstart the Dark Age AFO created before the era of the 4th holder. It breaks my heart seeing Bakugo in a state where he likely would have barged into Deku’s hospital room and he would have screamed at a comatose Deku. (Such loving friends willing to do anything for each other right guys? I know he’s made strides, but that is PURELY Bakugo development. Not their relationship. I have to say it again.) But Uraraka and Iida would ABSOLUTELY be in the hospital room waiting for Deku to wake up if All-Might hadn’t asked for the room to himself so he can try and sense the OFA conversation. (Not at ALL a signal this man might just still have the prime power. It’s ANOTHER signal I can’t ignore.) It would make it SO much harder to see because the two of them care for Deku’s well being more than any other student. And last but not least, get me a poster of Iida holding his chest. Because I am throwing that on the Iida chop gold medal pile. What the hell is he doing? I don’t know but I love it.
I think it is said in one of the bonus page of the manda that Touya/Dabi actually have a big resistance to fire too, but it's not enough to resist against his fire quirk (who is even stronger than endeavor's) and his resistance to ice is a lot better.
You need to make sure all 3 of you guys are reacting for these next few episodes. Its literally THAT important so if you need to wait until later on in the week to upload I think I can speak for the majority in saying that is fine by us.
It’s unfortunate that unlike Aoyama and Deku whose bodies can’t handle their quirks past a certain level, Toya can’t handle his at all. They can be safe by working within their limits and pushing them bit by bit to get stronger. But there is no such safe area for Toya. And he’s been at this for years at this point. That much exposure to his powers maybe should have built up resistance eventually and he’s only getting new scars
I know I keep commenting, but I keep thinking about new stuff as you guys discuss! 😆But to the point about separating Shoto, you have to also think about how long Endeavor did that, and that it wasn't just or Shoto's protection. We know that he hurt Shoto himself in the name of training him. Something the other kids also noticed. Natsuo and Dabi both called him out on it. And that the fact that you separating the kids will only make their relationship WORSE. Now Toya never got a chance to get to know Shoto, never formed any bond with him. He even admits later that him attacking Shoto was wrong and that Shoto himself had done nothing wrong. But even after 5 YEARS, rather than just talking to his kids or spending any time with them, he continues to ignore them, which is what is exacerbating the situation. In the end it really wasn't about being a hero or about Endeavor protecting Toya. Toya wanted a purpose, a reason for being, and as far as he knows. His only reason for being is to be a hero that can pass All Might. That's all he knows. If he can't do that, then basically in his father's eyes, he is worthless. He's nothing. He has no identity. It's that, that crushes Toya the most. Its that, that makes him so desperate. He want to have worth. And his father says he only has worth as a tool to surpass All Might. And now, he won't even look at him.
Rei starts fearing Endeaver because she sees Touya in his eyes and that frightens her. Since Touya was dead, her fear transfers from Touya to Endeavor and lastly Shouto
Endeavor was 20ish in that scene, wearing flaming ties and socks, and shit. This would be like if Lemillion went to a matchmaking service. Endeavor could be an endearing dorky guy, but he's haunted by this need to overcome his own biology/quirk and its made him so hateful and awkward as such a young age. The tie just makes me think more of Katsuki=Enji comparisons. "I'm a completely serious guy.... who likes to fit fire/explosions into everything I do because its cool."
a year later but i just wanna say yall have such a good understanding of the todoroki situation. a lot of people blame touya (as a kid) for everything and try to make him responsible for the things that happened, even those out of his control. people even claim he wasn't abused and his reactions are due to him being crazy 😐
I don't know if you were told and it wasn't animated unfortunately but its a panel of Rei cooling off the boiling water she poured on Shoto. But since his fire side is weaker to ice it caused a freezer burn!
Not really. I don’t even think there’d be a fix to that considering Endeavor doesn’t even have a fix for his overheating problem from going to hard and Toya burns himself from even the smallest flames. But even if he could, he’d be entirely reliant on it. If his support items got damaged or destroyed then suddenly we’re back to the original problem. All Might told Deku in season 4 that support items are good to have but you shouldn’t be totally reliant on them. They’re supporting your existing abilities and minor needs, not a full on cure.
It's fascinating seeing the difference in reception to the concept of quirk marriages coming from people in different cultures, like there are literally hundreds of reasons that people give off their kids for marriage to other families to the mutual benefits for both parties. Not to say it's right or wrong, it's just normal.
Once again, we continue the War Aftermath, the Crumbling of Hero Society, with a flashback that gives more context to the Todoroki Tragedy, Next, it seems like we’re finally getting into what is going on with Deku, along with other things, I hope the Anime continues to do things justice.
Blackwhip was supposedly excused as Deku's quirk going through an alteration or something like that. Not quite sure what the best phrasing it for it. But anyways it was basically said that it was Deku's quirk but used differently. It is a stretch but since quirks have already been known to change and mold and become better it was just basically that used as an excuse.
Yooooo another great reaction, but I’m not gonna lie you guys might wanna be on point in terms of taking notes for next weeks episode the vestige shit that’s about to be revealed in episode 18 is a heavy info dump so be prepared🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
22:00 it's not illegal but it's eugenistic which even today is taboo, like you wouldn't play with your children's genes to produce a kid with the eye colour you want etc. Also in their world, and Touya is an example of it, you don't know how the quirks might combine together which can produce dysfunctional quirks so that's why the doctor advices them to stop as well. Because they don't know how many 'tries' they'll need before their 'perfect baby'. It's so terrible when you think about it, babies as failed prototypes 💀
I must be the only person who doesn’t think endeavors abandonment of Toya was mishandled care, he even said “Toya can’t do it, he can’t surpass All Might” sounds like to me he feels like his “tool” doesn’t work so he doesn’t need it. That’s just my opinion tho.
Just out of curiosity are y'all anime only reactors? You got me a little worried putting up a pic of a character not seen in the show. Kind of need to know
Uh guys, you're not supposed to kill as a hero, remember that. Also, if they are pushing a "Let's rescue Shiggy", you can do a "let's rescue Dabi". Also, if you look again at his situation with talking about Natsu, his whole "you're big brother can't feel anything anymore", that really showed me that he's basically gone insane. I think you can save Toya's soul.
He's been offered many chances at this point (and up to where we are in the manga) and he's rejected them all one by one. I honestly think Touya's much further gone than even Shigaraki.
@@pj_spirit Just like Dabi, Shigs made his own choices. It's not like if you take away AfO's control, that he becomes good again, no more than if you took away Endeavor's influences that Dabi is good again. Their situations are actually a bit similar. Both villains who got their start from a horrible tragic upbringing. Shigs was then raised to what he is by AfO. We don't know who got Toya on his path after he burned. But in the end both are young boys who didn't grow up loved as they should and that formed the hatred they now have. Both have practically been driven to insanity and murder, with or without the other influences on their lives.
@@IreneShardaForever All of that is true but the idea of saving Shigaraki is strictly about the situation of AFO possessing Shigaraki’s physical body against his will. Deku wants to make it so that Shigaraki is free from that direct body takeover. He doesn’t forgive Shigaraki. But Shigaraki from that point on became a victim of AFO and has been stripped of agency. Solving that issue is saving him. After that Shigaraki is still a threat to be fought. Dabi is under no such control. That’s not to say there isn’t a greater overarching issue to be solved that caused these outcomes, but the topic about saving Shigaraki so far has only been in reference to AFO’s possesion
Imagine a 13 year old child saying things like this to their parents - "You'll be glad that I was born" or in the manga version - "You'll realize that I wasn't a mistake"… Pathetic and depressing. This episode demonized Endeavor for me even more.
Sorry, but I'm not giving Endeavor any points for doing normal parent stuff like a bad attempt at protecting your child. He was doing the bare minimum of keeping his family fed, and some what safe.
not sure if it's the CRC mansion, it was also shown after he killed Snatch in the Shie Hassaikai arc, he was there looking out a broken window during a thunderstorm looking at a broken picture of the Todoroki family
The events of the CRC raid happened after their initial encounter with Overhaul where they rejected an alliance with the Shie Hassaikai but before they worked out a deal to loan out Toga and Twice to Overhaul. The clues for the timeline were in the flashback, where Compress mentioned that if they had taken the offer for an alliance, they maybe would have been able to afford sushi and fancy food. So the League had already had possession of the CRC mansion by the time Snatch was killed.
@@syd.a.m The CRC attack happened in October, the Overhaul meeting was in September. The conversation about Sushi happened 5 minutes before Machia arrived.
I actually really loved this episode. Seeing how each member of the family talks through what happened, never forgetting what Endeavor did, but also admitting their own faults with how they dealt with their family crisis. BUT I still say that this is mostly Endeavor's fault, like at 95% percent. I give Rei like 4 or 5%. The kids shouldn't have to deal with their father's craziness. I was kind of annoyed with Hawks butting in, but I did like how he gave a more uplifting note and gave Endeavor a bit of help. How they all acknowledge that Shoto is the hero of their family. Not Endeavor. I think I really liked that. 🥰 So they are deciding that the world at large with be Endeavor's prison, which I guess is fair, especially if he has to admit that all this was true.
It’s not like anyone ever said Endeavor was the family’s hero tho lol when Rei said it, it wasn’t meant to be a petty remark but you make it sound like it was 😂
I'm a manga reader and when this chapter came out two years ago, it demonized Endeavor for me even more. If I talk about my personal life, I come from a healthy, happy household and my dad is a very loving, caring, and respectful father and husband, so seeing Endeavor like this made me feel really disgusted, truly. Also the anime still needs to animate the 2nd part of Touya's backstory, like how he survived and who rescued him. And let me tell you... That 2nd part of his backstory is even more sad and depressing.
42:30 The thing about therapy, in both real life and even in the MHA universe with Toga and them saying to suppress her urges for blood, sometimes therapy is absolutely shit, it's still a potential solution but I don't think it's always the be all and end all, I think the bigger thing was the parents to be there for their child for any and all of the circumstances, therapy and the parents being there for them is what was needed in the ended it seemed like to me.
Well Toga didn’t really get therapy. She was just told to stop. There’s quirk counseling but every kid with a quirk goes through that and it’s more just about learning about your quirk and socially acceptable ways to live with it
What I don't get is why the hell did neither Endeavor or Rei just sit Toya down and tell him we went to the doctor and they said that this is why you're getting burned and they recommend that you stop using your quirk, tell him that they acknowledge how talented he really is and that if not for this unfortunate circumstance he could be an incredible hero, hug him and say we love you so please stop let's help you find another path... But they didn't do that instead just said hey just stop look at your burns so it's not gonna be you and then they popped out more and more children making Toya feel like he was like some broken toy who had been discarded. There was a way that Endeavor could've solved this but he was a coward and just the definition of a horrible father and husband and we saw where it's lead us
Endeavor couldn’t because to admit to Toya his dream was impossible would be admitting that to himself. So Endeavor decided to just look away from Toya and push that responsibility to Rei to stop him. Plus acknowledging Toya fully might make it worse in his eyes Rei couldn’t stop him because she wasn’t strong enough both mentally and physically she couldn’t put her foot down to stop Toya. Neither of these people were ready to be parents in short.
@@icantbelieveyoudonethis4059 Ya these were two people who weren't ready to be parents, especially Endeavor the guy we saw in those flashbacks the last thing on earth he ever should've been was a father and the creation of Dabi was the result.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 Lol they didn't explain it well enough all they said was hey you keep getting burned so no you can't be a hero this is for your own good! Lol is that the way to break the news to someone who he literally burned it into his brain that the reason he was born was for this purpose and this is how they tell him to give up? Where in this episode do you see Endeavor calmly sit Toya down and say hey we went to the hospital and this is exactly what they said, I acknowledge your talent "I SEE YOU" but me and your mom love you so help you find another way. Instead he's like hey stop it!... 😒😒
@@willfanofmanyii3751 Lmao later Toya literally tells Endeavor that he wants to show him that he was worth being born... Like only a complete idiot couldn't tell that Toya straight up told him you made me believe that being the number 1 hero was my only reason for existing... Endeavor right there could've at least attempted retort that but what did he do? He blamed it on Rei and assaulted her...
I was surprised too, but @blacknoise is probably right. Enji is waaay taller than his wife so Fuyumi took her height growth trjectory but Natsu grew took Enji's though he's not as tall as Enji. He's halfway between the two.
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Dabi was crying blood at the beginning because his tear ducks are burned. The only thing he can cry now is blood from the pain.
I wonder how good he is at poker
Nah, not pain--he can't feel anything anymore. His nerves are dead. It's his jumbled up emotions. That confusing, intense ball of love and hate and obsession. But yeah, the blood tears are the tell that he's Not OK int he slightest.
@@blacknoise Also if you notice, he is smiling whenever he's crying as a kid. We can't see his tears anymore, but when he's smiling like during Twice's death or fighting his family, there's a good change he's crying too.
@@lightandleaves3858 nah I don’t buy the twice death bit at all. Dabi isn’t emotionally invested in the League. He isn’t even emotionally invested in his siblings or his mother. The only thing driving him is How To Get At Endeavor.
He filmed Twice’s death to bury Hawks’ reputation and by proxy add ammo to his Endeavor smear campaign. That smile? That was glee.
@@blacknoise He can be though. He acts like he doesn't care, yet he does small acts of kindness around him (I won't spoil which one is at the forefront of my mind). Even Toga says he's kind. Doesn't mean he LOVES the LOV, just that he's not completely indifferent. He's an unreliable narrator. They're not his main concern, that doesn't mean he feels nothing for them.
That smile could have been glee AND pain. You can feel multiple conflicting emotions at the same time.
He cares a bit too much about his family, but his vision is blinded by his rage against Endeavour. You could argue that he wants his dad to die because 'then everything will be fine' and in that sense it's also for his family. Removing the 'problem' that broke them all apart. He witnessed all the abuse and that's when his mind broke as well. We can't know for sure what he's thinking or feeling, but there are hints of it in the way he says his siblings' names, how he says 'Mom' and not 'Mother' or 'Rei Todoroki' and how he cries blood thinking about them.
Technically Deku saved the entire todoroki family by saving shoto back in season 2. His sacrifice of not winning the tournament was indirectly saving a family with no hope
That's why the flashback was mostly of Midoriya when Rei said that, Todoroki's thinking about who the real hero of the family is.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 But the scene was so funny to me. Rei says Shoto made friends at school and flashback to Deku punching the shit out of him lmao
@@soumyadeepmondal6130 The manga did it better with it just being the shots of Midoriya yelling at Todoroki.
Yeah, this was called “The wrong way to put out a fire” for a reason. It’s honestly a perfect way of looking at what Endeavor did to Touya. Endeavor sparked the fire, and instead of giving it calm and gentle water or something to put it out, he basically poured gasoline and paint thinner on it, and then proceeded to ignore the fire and let it build, not realizing that he was not only the root of the problem but also the main one making it worse.
And by the time he did realize it, it’s all just too little too late.
I love how the Todoroki family is handled in this series
I love how Hirokoshi handles the Todoroki drama. It was an extremely difficult situation, and unlike some anime where everyone makes the absolute right decision all the time and it’s just like “whoopsie wasn’t my fault”, no one knows exactly what to do. Endeavor lit the fire under Toya to surpass AllMight before he started burning himself. After that he desperately started having more and more children, hoping to have one good enough to stop Toya from wanting to be a hero, because he doesn’t know what to do. Rei grows tired and resentful of the eyes of resentment given by Toya and Endeavor, where Endeavor doesn’t know where to turn to to let his frustration and helplessness out, so he turns it on Rei. He has to keep Shoto away from Toya to keep him safe from him and desperately tries to raise him to be a hero good enough to make his son quit, because he doesn’t know what to say otherwise. It wasn’t how he should have extinguish the flames of ambition he lit under Toya, it was the “wrong way to put out a fire.”
Also while it was mostly Endeavor’s fault for failing his son and his family, everyone takes a little piece of the blame to help ease the burden on the only one who can stop him.
Fuyumi pretends not to see the cracks forming in the family, and puts up a front of pretending everything is happy and alright to try and delude herself into thinking it is. Understandable for a child to want to ignore the problems of life.
Rei, who felt helpless and didn’t know what to do, could have refused Endeavor at any time. Right at the beginning she could have refused the arranged marriage, and could have stopped having kids and try and find a different solution for Toya’s problems. But like Endeavor she didn’t know what to do, and went along with him because of her unknowing what to do. Again, completely understandable, she might have felt she owed her family and went with Enji to help her family’s money, and didn’t know what to do but still festered resentment towards the eyes of her the source of her despair and fear, the eyes of Endeavor.
And finally Natsu. Natsu fully states that it was mostly Endeavor’s fault, which is true, but that he could have done more to help Toya. He was tired of Toya complaining to him and rather than try and help him he ignored his gripes and ignored his cries for help. It’s understandable that as a child he shouldn’t have the responsibility of having to deal with a complex issue like that and it was completely understandable to get tired of it and ignore it, but that wouldn’t stop an adult him from feeling the guilt of not doing anything.
In thr end, it was both nobody’s fault and everybody’s fault. Even though it was out of their hands, no one handeled it perfectly, like how an actual family in that situation wouldn’t have handled it perfectly either. Even though it was understandable that they couldn’t do something, it doesn’t stop them from feeling some sense of guilt for not trying harder. It’s like survivor’s guilt, it’s not your fault you couldn’t help everyone survive but you still wonder why you were spared and feel guilty that the others weren’t. They all feel guilty, and that’s exactly how a real family would feel in this situation.
Oh and Hawks and Best Jeanist were there. Kind of a weird for them to just butt into a family affair like that, should have left once they heard they were having a family thing. But I guess that’s realistic too, everyone LOVES drama.
I love how characters in MHA are so grounded in reality for the most part. Other anime have characters who’s entire village is murdered, but I can never truly feel for them. Whereas seeing people with realistic problems like a father pushing his ambitions onto his kids and a son trying to impress and be acknowledged by his dad makes me feel so much stronger.
People also don’t realize how dark MHA actually is because it isn’t as violent or bloody. Characters like Shigaraki, Endeavor, Dabi, and Toga really show you how dark the series is and how messed up society is.
I mean Dabi went and murder well over 30 innocent but I hear what your saying 100%
The manga is a lot more gorey and bloody than the anime. The anime censors a lot of stuff
The series gets darker as well but I don't want to spoil.
@@tmenke88 I’m caught up but I think Shiggys backstory is still the darkest moment in mha
So we finally got a Todoroki age gap confirmation. When Shouto's 5, Fuyumi was 12, Natsuo was 8, and Touya was 13.
Birthdays
Touya - Jan 18
Fuyumi - Dec 6 (same year as Touya, 11 months younger)
Natsuo - July 1 (3.5 years younger than Fuyumi) - Touya was only 4 when Natsuo was born
Shouto - Jan 11 (born a week before Touya's 9th birthday) - Touya would have been 9 when he attacked baby Shouto. Meaning that Fuyumi was 8, Natsuo was 4.
So during the flashback of little Touya and Fuyumi, Touya was 3 years old. He was 3 when his hair started turning white and Enji shut him out. His entire life has been focused on beating All Might and making his dad proud of him, and now all of that was gone. And he didn't understand.
Touya was 13, maybe 14, when he burned on Sekoto peak. Touya is now 24. He's been missing, presumed dead for over a decade.
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So Toya and Endeavor basically have a Tai Lung and Master Shifu relationship from Kung Fu Panda. Toya could not become the Dragon Warrior
Dabi
"Endeavor taught you well, but he didn't teach you everything."
blast Shoto away with a prominence burn.
@@TheCustodians Dabi to Endeavour: “Who filled my head with dreams? Who drove me to train until my bones cracked? Who denied me my destiny?” As he flash-fire-fists the shit out of Endeavour (the flames are even the right colour)
"Let me play with Toya and the others" Lol this whole time Shoto didn't know in that scene Toya just wanted to kill him 😂
Honestly, when this stuff was happening in the manga, there were some really yikes takes from people. People saying that Touya didn't have it so bad because Endeavor never abused him. Like, news flash, neglect is a form of abuse. Not just neglect, emotional trauma. It felt like people were trying to shift all of the blame away from Endeavor and onto the victim, Touya. Because there are so many ways Endeavor could've handled this differently.
First, you should never try to live out your failures in life through your children. Side note, Endeavor seeking out Rei to create a powerful weapon is so yikes. It's not an act of love. It's an act of seeking power. Moving on though, once he found out Touya's quirk harmed his body when he went overboard, there are several things he could've done.
A. Tell Touya that he'll love him regardless on if he can surpass All Might and that he loves him for who he is as a person and not his quirk
B. Tell him that he can still be a great hero, just not the Number 1. And that he's fine with it because Touya tried his best
C. Tell Touya that he can still be the Number One hero but only if he finds a way to stop or minimize the damage done to himself(like how the Nurse at UA told Izuku to find less self-destructive ways to use his power)
D. Actually talk to Touya and stop expecting the problem to just go away, especially since he created it
If all of that fails and he still decides to have more children, there's always one final option(hypothetical if Endeavor had treated Touya somewhat better)
E. Stop training Shoto and Touya separately. Some heroes become partners to cover each other's weaknesses. He could show them both love and have Shoto cool off Touya when he begins to overheat and have Touya go for more powerful fire blasts that Shoto can't do. Raise them as sibling heroes
But he didn't do that. He instead ignored most of his family. When he wasn't ignoring them, he was harshly training Shoto or yelling or hitting Rei. Touya saw that he was born and tossed aside for his father's ambition. He revealed that he'd been watching his family after he burned up too. And he likely saw that Endeavor didn't change even after his "death". Endeavor got worse. He was replaced in life. And his death didn't change anything. He probably questioned why he was born at all. Until there was nothing inside him but emptiness and hatred. This was the wrong way to put out a fire. And that's how Dabi was born.
I also think the fact that hero society places so much importance in Quirks is also part of the reason this happened: Toya could have trained to be a capable hero without depending on his Quirk as the only weapon in his wheelhouse. Endeavor also could have provided him with support items to help with body temp regulation, the same way Aoyama uses his belt to help with his Laser quirk. There were a lot of solutions here- maybe they wouldn't have brought us to the ideal that Endeavor had (raising a kid to surpass All Might), but let's be honest, that ideal sucks balls and shouldn't have been Endeavor's goal in the first place.
It's obvious that he cares about dabi and why wouldn't he get worse? He thought he saw his sons death
Agree 100%. Sadly, that seems to be a lot of people's reaction to irl victims as well, so as disheartening as it to see, it didn't even surprise me when readers were shifting the blame onto Touya.
I never even considered the possibility that Endeavor could have trained Shoto to use his ice to help Touya. They could have been an amazing hero duo given the chance.
@@Remisaku I know you probably didn’t mean it that way, but I don’t think him seeing his sons death should justify him getting worse. If anything it probably should have been a wake up call to what this is doing to his kids and how far this has gone.
@@Remisaku Well you'd think seeing your abusive ways blow up in your face in profound fashion would cause you to change the way you see your children
On the international heroes from left to right.
Elecplant: A hero from the U.S, appeared on 2 Heroes in the flashback during All Might's time studying abroad in America, two villains rob a casino in Los Angeles, California. Elecplant and Cow Lady join the first responders, but allow the villains to get away after a short skirmish. They watch from the sidelines as All Might wins the day, and they learn about him from David Shield, then on World Heroes' Mission together with Hawks, Tokoyami and Godzillo on the U.S.
Since during the flashback All Might must've been on his early 20s, that would put him on his 60-70s age wise since AM is around 55-56 currently.
Quirk: Electricity Generation, it grants him the ability to produce blasts of electricity from his body. His hero costume helps him channel his electricity.
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Big Red Dot: The No. 1 Hero in Singapore. He helped fight Humarise there along with Majestic, Momo and Setsuna.
Quirk: Tidal Bore, his quirk allows him to produce a large and powerful blast of water from his mouth.
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Salaam: The No. 1 Pro Hero in Egypt. He helped fight Humarise in Egypt alongside Kamui Woods, Edgeshot, Mt Lady, Kaminari, Sero and Shiozaki.
Quirk: Papyrus, his quirk allows him to turn his body paper-thin, allowing him to slip through narrow spaces and ride the wind, making him very fast.
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Nyikang: He's a Sudanese Pro Hero that's seen walking amongst the crowd at the I-Expo preview in Two Heroes.
Quirk: Spirit Possession, his quirk allows him to convert his consciousness into spiritual energy which he can send towards a target to possess them, he's also seen carrying a large sword, presumably for combat purposes.
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bottom one is unknown for now, all this info I got from the wiki and the movies.
Toya/Dabi and Endeavor are way more similar than the former wants to admit
Yup and that’s why Endeavor couldn’t stop him. To stop Toya would be to admit his folly
@@icantbelieveyoudonethis4059 He’s literally admitting his folly for the last couple of seasons including this one. He blamed himself for Toya’s apparent death like 10 years ago when it happened before the series even started and has blamed himself for it since, only to find out that it lead to Dabi. He’s long since admitted it. He was frozen because the sight of his son in danger along with other factors like the shock of Toya being alive paralyzed him in fear and doubt. It all crushed him and his spirit and his regrets stop him from finding the drive to move forward. To think Endeavor STILL refuses to accept that he’s done wrong is blatantly admitting to not paying attention.
@@pj_spirit I’m talking about when Toya was a child not now.
I love how the series doesn't try to sugarcoat anything related to Endeavor and his treatment to his family. His entire character is centered around him being an AWFUL person and slowly improving
Ahh, thank you for reviewing the family situation with accuracy. It's refreshing.
Rhett, can confirm that it is the CRC house. I was thinking of mentioning it a couple episodes ago, but this is one of the clearest shots of the house we've seen. It's why we needed a CRC vs LOV flashback in the anime.
It honestly makes sense for the LOV to go there after the fight. It's abandoned and the League isn't linked publically to it, which makes it's a good safe house.
The todotoki family subplot was already so good, but this episode adds a whole new layer of depth and realism and took it to the next level, studio bones did it great too.
"So what happened to the 7th prison?"
Knowing the most recent chapter(s) in the manga... I'm SOOOOOO stoked for that reveal. No spoilers obviously. There's so many big moments and reveals coming. Waiting each week sucks lol
I freaking G A S P E D when what was revealed was revealed. I was kind of hoping, in the back of my mind, but at the same time it was completely unexpected!
@@benfraser1856 I just hope they have some sort of flashback/callback to the prison thing and the other recent revelation because both of them originate from small details that take a *while* to actually come back around. I feel like most anime watchers won't remember them by next season. Hell, I doubt many manga readers remembered the second thing and probably only remembered the prison thing because it happened recently in the anime.
ngl I squealed a little bit when they asked that
Can you spoil what it is please?
@@AbstraktZ ok spoilers below the cut, don't click "read more" unless you want spoilers!
that's the prison Gentle Criminal is being kept at. After AFO's goons broke everyone out, he single handedly recaptured them and kept them from escaping! What a legend
Prepare your notebooks, next episode is gonna be a MAJOR info dump
Spoilers:
Yep, next ep is going to have some important stuff about ofa and a few reveals install too
Im really looking forward to hearing the custodians speculate on the 2nd, 3rd and 6th user quirks
(espically about the 2nd and 3rd user indentites)
33:30 I believe during the fight with Hood, before the first Prominence Burn Endeavor says "that was the reason" and all family members including Toya were shown
From what I understand, most equipment for fire users are flame retardant to a certain extent but the problem is that, as All Might had said, if you rely on your equipment too much the moment they are taken from you or destroyed, you are at a severe disadvantage. And at the same time, Toya's body needs to tolerate the fire power he puts out or else he might not be able to tackle Endeavor/All Might level villains; if he's held back due to equipment and such, he won't be good enough.
This similar situation happened with Shoto in season 1, his suit had a built in heater to help midigate the ice he made so that he didn't have to rely on his father fire but after the sports festival, Shoto had to acknowledge that his fire power was more useful than relying on the heater.
I really appreciate your discussions.
Here Rei says - "Hero? You're just running away..."
While in the manga, she says - "Hero? Some hero you are... running away..."
I don't know why but the manga version sounded more sarcastic to me.
1:18 Not going to spoil who that silhouette in the front is, but all manga readers are hyped as hell at seeing that. XD
Also, about there being more kids. I think that might have been true for Fuyumi, but when you look at the conversation later and she says that "this is too cruel" and Endeavor says that "this is the only way to stop Toya", and then every time they fail at having the perfect child and you look at how crazed Endeavor is and how beat down Rei looks, you realize that Natsuo and Shoto probably weren't born out of love but more so just trying again and again for that masterpiece child.
Yup, Fuyumi was the only one born of love at first when they started.
Definitely
Yeah, the SA is heavily hinted. There's such an imbalance of power it makes my skin crawl.
If only Native was Toya's dad instead, I'm sure he would've handled the situation better than Endeavor.
Toya would’ve probably surpassed all might since native would’ve been training him too 🙄‼️
I remember reading this part of the Manga almost 2 years ago.
I just couldn't believe what I was reading, this whole backstory is so complex with so many layers and prospectives.
The anime did a fantastic job portraying it, I couldn't be happier with this episode.
Here are my thoughts on Endeavor.
Endeavor is such a mess, it's incredible how he's portrayed.
At a basic level he has the positive emotions of "caring" for his children's well being.
The major problem in his life tho is that every time an issue arises his solutions are always wild.
For example :
"I can't surpass All Might?
Guess I have to buy a wife to produce a super baby!".
"My son's quirk is harming him? Guess he will be forced to never use it ever again,for his whole life".
"Touya tried to harm Shoto?
Guess I'll keep Shoto isolated from all his siblings".
"My wife harmed my son?
Time to put her in a mental hospital for ten years".
"Natsu won't accept me?
I'll buy him a new house so he doesn't need to see me ever again".
"Dabi is Touya?
Guess I'll just wallow in my own despair and do nothing to solve the situation".
Every time he runs away instead of confronting the issues directly or just takes the most extreme approaches possible.
He literally thought that by making more kids Touya will forget to become better than All Might on his own.
Who thinks like that?!
And because he doesn't know how to convince Touya by talking to him he just hopes he will forget all by himself and when it eventually fails he just lashes out at Rei.
He tried talking to Touya, but it was too little to late (plus when Touya attacks baby Shoto it's heavily implayed that Endeavor had to knock Touya out to protect Shoto, judging by his burned sleeve in the next scene, which was definitely the moment when a line was crossed between the two).
When Touya "died" he felt that the only way to not be crushed by the guilt of everything he has done was to fulfill his dream anyway by making Shoto the ultimate hero, so at least it wasn't all for nothing, instead of learning from his past experiences he just marches forward trying to fulfill his goal without looking back.
"Endeavor the hero is dead.
I can't fight my own son".
Even if it is more understandable this time, he was still going to run away instead of taking responsibility for his actions.
This is why it was so important for Rei and Shoto to confront him.
They needed to tell him that, even tho the whole family minus Shoto could have done something to help Toya, he is the cause of all of this and thus he can't run away this time, he needs to get up and face his mistakes head on.
I can't believe this is in a Manga.
This isn't fiction anymore guys, this is just real world writing we are experiencing.
To be fair on the Natsuo part, if Natsuo is completely intolerant to Enji’s presence and attempts at being a better father, to continue to force his presence on Natsuo is wrong. He cares about how his family feels about him and to respect Natsuo’s feelings of not wanting anything to do with Enji, Enji will do what it takes to do that. And remember, the house isn’t only for Natsuo. Enji also fears that bringing Rei back into a house where he is after she burned Shoto for reminding her of Enji after all his abuse isn’t good for her. That’s reasonable. Victims should absolutely have the right to not interact with their abuser if they don’t want to and Enji knows, understands and respects that. He can reach out all he wants but none of them have any obligation to accept him back into their life.
@@pj_spirit thanks for the comment, I hoped someone would bring me some challenging arguments👍
I'll give my best to try and explain more clearly my stance on this one decision Enji made.
Enji definitely meant to respect Natsu's wishes by suggesting that and didn't want to impose.
He definitely already had a huge amount of character growth by that point and had come to realize just how much he hurt his family and that usually nobody that does stuff like that could ever hope for forgiveness.
My point is tho that by isolating himself from Natsu he was also harming any chances of ever having a better relationship with him.
How can you expect anything to change if you're not around to show that you care.
That was his mistake with Touya.
It was easier to say "I suck, so I'm gonna leave you alone" and justify it as the right thing to do because it was respecting Natsu's wishes, even tho there were other options, like Idk facing your mistakes and maybe show Natsu slowly how much you regret what you've done.
I hope I made my point more clear.
Honestly I had forgotten that it was also for Rei so thank you for reminding me, that is definitely something that needed to be managed more slowly and by a distance at least so I don't have anything to reprimand Endeavor there.
The meeting at the hospital could only work because she asked for it, Enji knew not to rush things there.
My overall point was that Enji's actions follow an internal (at times very strange but consistent) logic.
Man, it's crazy how many angles his relationships take.
@@silveratlas2706 I understand where you are coming from with the Natsuo thing, but you are just completely wrong when you say that an abuser constantly being around one of their victims will show that said abuser is repenting their actions, imo. Natsuo even said that every time he looks at endeavor he remembers the abuse. It would be cruel of endeavor to force Natsuo to be in his presence even after knowing how much it affects him. Victims don’t need to interact with their abusers unless they themselves want to, period. If anything, it’s better for Natsuo to be given the chance to interact with endeavor out of his own free will instead of just being forced to do it because of their living situation.
This is an incredibly complex episode with lots of nuanced emotions. I was CONSIDERING going through this whole thing point by point and cover the in depth nuance, but it got SO long even I realized, “No one will read this.” And I scrapped it. XD there goes an hour of writing. So I’ll just say the bare bones.
This STARTED as a quirk marriage, this STARTED as a passion project to surpass All-Might. But became a large scale effort to prevent the golden child Touya Todoroki from endlessly pursuing a route in life that would most certainly lead to his own death. Each effort got blunter and blunter making another nail in his coffin instead of a deterrent and accidentally creating a sociopathic murderer hell bent on destroying what is now a somehow more functional family now than ever before. Rei hated Endeavor, but has come to realize she never took it on herself to understand him. (And won’t give him leeway.) Her mere presence from a situation she DID have the power to walk away from and take the kids with her is the sign that she DOES still love Endeavor. And I see that flower she brings in as a “Let’s start over.” Not for the kids, but for her and Enji.
Endeavor has INCREDIBLY weak empathy making NONE of his methods work correctly because he didn’t use them with enough care. Even though each choice DOES actually have logic behind it. The ONLY thing that you can tell how much he empathized with was the absolute terror of Touya’s quirk recoil. He knew EXACTLY how much it hurt him because he considers his OWN recoil the exact reason he’s not Number 1. And as All-Might got better, it showed the gap for Endeavor, but also how hard Touya was pushing himself. He was struggling in vein to stop this, but didn’t have the emotional capability to do it. He also has among the WORST emotional traits. The trait of showing sorrow and fear as anger. He is DESPERATE to not show vulnerability. And I think that is EXACTLY why Rei knows he IS trying. Because it’s a mask. And he can’t maintain it forever. This crash is years too late for the kids to see. But considering what kind of man Endeavor is, it also shouldn’t be surprising it took til THIS happened.
There isn’t a single family member that doesn’t feel guilt of the events. But there also isn’t a single one that doesn’t desperately want to fix things. Natsuo is the MOST resentful of his dad, but even that doesn’t spell to me he will cut him off once Touya is stopped.
The chances of Touya Todoroki having the ultimate irony of being ANOTHER half cold-half hot wielder is TERRIFYINGLY high he could have grown to in his adulthood. I have been curious about how he cried when he got excited. And that may have been melted ice for all we know. His hair STRAIGHT UP matches Shoto for a year or so. Natsuo lost his red hair, and Fuyumi stayed the same. Touya’s went through a LARGE transition. And while Shoto’s hair has no connection to his quirk, (DNA is not constrained to one side of your body. If he has both, it doesn’t mean it HAS to stay on one side.) that doesn’t mean that it’s exactly the same for the other siblings. But it would be the ULTIMATE irony and nothing would hurt the Todoroki’s more that he ACTUALLY transforms his quirk more. (This is an unproven theory, but I do VERY much so believe in it.)
But if there’s one thing above all I love, it is the mere MENTION of the term One For All blows the lid of more than a CENTURY of hiding from AFO, the government, the public, and all other villains. The MOMENT Shigaraki says where is OFA, Endeavor asked what it was. And Deku IMMEDIATELY ran from the evacuation site and Shigaraki went after him INSTANTLY. It wasn’t the extra quirks that gave him away, it wasn’t Bakugo revealing anything, it wasn’t Deku being registered quirkless in elementary school and middle school. It was JUST the fact that AFO found out Izuku Midoriya was the 9th wielder ALL THE WAY back in season 3. He used Search and shouted at All-Might. The worst case scenario had ALREADY been laid bare 3 seasons ago. It’s a MIRACLE it lasted this long. But the unknown connection to All-Might, AFO’s grudge with the man. Deku being hunted. And just…there’s no more hiding it. Thank GOD only the Todoroki’s have become aware with the top 3 heroes. Everyone else just believes it’s a connection with AFO. Which it is INTEGRALLY. But Deku becoming the new Symbol of Peace and All-Might’s successor HAS to be prevented from being FULLY leaked because then Deku gets blamed for the war itself. Because ALL OF THIS. Was for the sole purpose of hunting him down to kickstart the Dark Age AFO created before the era of the 4th holder.
It breaks my heart seeing Bakugo in a state where he likely would have barged into Deku’s hospital room and he would have screamed at a comatose Deku. (Such loving friends willing to do anything for each other right guys? I know he’s made strides, but that is PURELY Bakugo development. Not their relationship. I have to say it again.) But Uraraka and Iida would ABSOLUTELY be in the hospital room waiting for Deku to wake up if All-Might hadn’t asked for the room to himself so he can try and sense the OFA conversation. (Not at ALL a signal this man might just still have the prime power. It’s ANOTHER signal I can’t ignore.) It would make it SO much harder to see because the two of them care for Deku’s well being more than any other student.
And last but not least, get me a poster of Iida holding his chest. Because I am throwing that on the Iida chop gold medal pile. What the hell is he doing? I don’t know but I love it.
I think it is said in one of the bonus page of the manda that Touya/Dabi actually have a big resistance to fire too, but it's not enough to resist against his fire quirk (who is even stronger than endeavor's) and his resistance to ice is a lot better.
The dead eyes on rei after shoto was born was so heartbreaking
“Native wouldn’t have done that” I’m pretty sure Native stopped being a hero first 😂💀
Heroes who die in battle as heroes are heroes forever. Native will never cease to be a hero
You need to make sure all 3 of you guys are reacting for these next few episodes. Its literally THAT important so if you need to wait until later on in the week to upload I think I can speak for the majority in saying that is fine by us.
I love your reactions bros, the editing is amazing, good job Rhett, keep it up man
It’s unfortunate that unlike Aoyama and Deku whose bodies can’t handle their quirks past a certain level, Toya can’t handle his at all. They can be safe by working within their limits and pushing them bit by bit to get stronger. But there is no such safe area for Toya. And he’s been at this for years at this point. That much exposure to his powers maybe should have built up resistance eventually and he’s only getting new scars
I know I keep commenting, but I keep thinking about new stuff as you guys discuss! 😆But to the point about separating Shoto, you have to also think about how long Endeavor did that, and that it wasn't just or Shoto's protection. We know that he hurt Shoto himself in the name of training him. Something the other kids also noticed. Natsuo and Dabi both called him out on it. And that the fact that you separating the kids will only make their relationship WORSE. Now Toya never got a chance to get to know Shoto, never formed any bond with him. He even admits later that him attacking Shoto was wrong and that Shoto himself had done nothing wrong. But even after 5 YEARS, rather than just talking to his kids or spending any time with them, he continues to ignore them, which is what is exacerbating the situation. In the end it really wasn't about being a hero or about Endeavor protecting Toya. Toya wanted a purpose, a reason for being, and as far as he knows. His only reason for being is to be a hero that can pass All Might. That's all he knows. If he can't do that, then basically in his father's eyes, he is worthless. He's nothing. He has no identity. It's that, that crushes Toya the most. Its that, that makes him so desperate. He want to have worth. And his father says he only has worth as a tool to surpass All Might. And now, he won't even look at him.
Sooo well said ‼️
Rei starts fearing Endeaver because she sees Touya in his eyes and that frightens her. Since Touya was dead, her fear transfers from Touya to Endeavor and lastly Shouto
Endeavor was 20ish in that scene, wearing flaming ties and socks, and shit. This would be like if Lemillion went to a matchmaking service. Endeavor could be an endearing dorky guy, but he's haunted by this need to overcome his own biology/quirk and its made him so hateful and awkward as such a young age. The tie just makes me think more of Katsuki=Enji comparisons. "I'm a completely serious guy.... who likes to fit fire/explosions into everything I do because its cool."
a year later but i just wanna say yall have such a good understanding of the todoroki situation. a lot of people blame touya (as a kid) for everything and try to make him responsible for the things that happened, even those out of his control. people even claim he wasn't abused and his reactions are due to him being crazy 😐
Little fuyumi part is my fav part.
@38:24 in what way does Rei look content?! That's a woman whose been worn down and looks like she's at the end of her rope. What are you guys seeing?
I don't know if you were told and it wasn't animated unfortunately but its a panel of Rei cooling off the boiling water she poured on Shoto. But since his fire side is weaker to ice it caused a freezer burn!
Omg that point about support items was the golden ticket lol you could've done that lol
Not really. I don’t even think there’d be a fix to that considering Endeavor doesn’t even have a fix for his overheating problem from going to hard and Toya burns himself from even the smallest flames. But even if he could, he’d be entirely reliant on it. If his support items got damaged or destroyed then suddenly we’re back to the original problem. All Might told Deku in season 4 that support items are good to have but you shouldn’t be totally reliant on them. They’re supporting your existing abilities and minor needs, not a full on cure.
It's fascinating seeing the difference in reception to the concept of quirk marriages coming from people in different cultures, like there are literally hundreds of reasons that people give off their kids for marriage to other families to the mutual benefits for both parties. Not to say it's right or wrong, it's just normal.
Wow I love watching my favorite show called All Of This Could've Been Avoided If Everyone Just Went To Fucking Therapy
Endeavor just came across like a typical Asian dad, the only thing that was out of character was he didn't beat any of his kids with a sandal jk
Once again, we continue the War Aftermath, the Crumbling of Hero Society, with a flashback that gives more context to the Todoroki Tragedy,
Next, it seems like we’re finally getting into what is going on with Deku, along with other things, I hope the Anime continues to do things justice.
Blackwhip was supposedly excused as Deku's quirk going through an alteration or something like that. Not quite sure what the best phrasing it for it. But anyways it was basically said that it was Deku's quirk but used differently. It is a stretch but since quirks have already been known to change and mold and become better it was just basically that used as an excuse.
5:52 LMAO
So good!!!
Oh my god, I'm sorry but HOW THE HECK EPISODE 17 THAT WAS 23 MINUTES TURNED INTO A MOVIE,I MEAN IT'S AN HOUR,A FU- HOUR
Rhett should just get a Joe puppet at this point
Parenting with the custodians lol
Yooooo another great reaction, but I’m not gonna lie you guys might wanna be on point in terms of taking notes for next weeks episode the vestige shit that’s about to be revealed in episode 18 is a heavy info dump so be prepared🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
22:00 it's not illegal but it's eugenistic which even today is taboo, like you wouldn't play with your children's genes to produce a kid with the eye colour you want etc.
Also in their world, and Touya is an example of it, you don't know how the quirks might combine together which can produce dysfunctional quirks so that's why the doctor advices them to stop as well. Because they don't know how many 'tries' they'll need before their 'perfect baby'. It's so terrible when you think about it, babies as failed prototypes 💀
I must be the only person who doesn’t think endeavors abandonment of Toya was mishandled care, he even said “Toya can’t do it, he can’t surpass All Might” sounds like to me he feels like his “tool” doesn’t work so he doesn’t need it. That’s just my opinion tho.
Just out of curiosity are y'all anime only reactors? You got me a little worried putting up a pic of a character not seen in the show. Kind of need to know
Rhett has read all of vigilantes and Gabe is currently reading it
They’re anime only
@@josephbadalucco8684 got ya
5:54-6:06, lmao.
Baby shoto look funny
Uh guys, you're not supposed to kill as a hero, remember that. Also, if they are pushing a "Let's rescue Shiggy", you can do a "let's rescue Dabi". Also, if you look again at his situation with talking about Natsu, his whole "you're big brother can't feel anything anymore", that really showed me that he's basically gone insane. I think you can save Toya's soul.
He's been offered many chances at this point (and up to where we are in the manga) and he's rejected them all one by one. I honestly think Touya's much further gone than even Shigaraki.
Saving Shigaraki is strictly about getting him free from All for One’s control. It’s not the same thing
@@pj_spirit Just like Dabi, Shigs made his own choices. It's not like if you take away AfO's control, that he becomes good again, no more than if you took away Endeavor's influences that Dabi is good again. Their situations are actually a bit similar. Both villains who got their start from a horrible tragic upbringing. Shigs was then raised to what he is by AfO. We don't know who got Toya on his path after he burned. But in the end both are young boys who didn't grow up loved as they should and that formed the hatred they now have. Both have practically been driven to insanity and murder, with or without the other influences on their lives.
@@IreneShardaForever All of that is true but the idea of saving Shigaraki is strictly about the situation of AFO possessing Shigaraki’s physical body against his will. Deku wants to make it so that Shigaraki is free from that direct body takeover. He doesn’t forgive Shigaraki. But Shigaraki from that point on became a victim of AFO and has been stripped of agency. Solving that issue is saving him. After that Shigaraki is still a threat to be fought. Dabi is under no such control.
That’s not to say there isn’t a greater overarching issue to be solved that caused these outcomes, but the topic about saving Shigaraki so far has only been in reference to AFO’s possesion
Imagine a 13 year old child saying things like this to their parents - "You'll be glad that I was born" or in the manga version - "You'll realize that I wasn't a mistake"… Pathetic and depressing. This episode demonized Endeavor for me even more.
Never closed a video as fasy as this one tbh
Sorry, but I'm not giving Endeavor any points for doing normal parent stuff like a bad attempt at protecting your child.
He was doing the bare minimum of keeping his family fed, and some what safe.
not sure if it's the CRC mansion, it was also shown after he killed Snatch in the Shie Hassaikai arc, he was there looking out a broken window during a thunderstorm looking at a broken picture of the Todoroki family
Uh, it's the CRC mansion, and whatever scene you're talking about doesn't exist, lol.
The events of the CRC raid happened after their initial encounter with Overhaul where they rejected an alliance with the Shie Hassaikai but before they worked out a deal to loan out Toga and Twice to Overhaul. The clues for the timeline were in the flashback, where Compress mentioned that if they had taken the offer for an alliance, they maybe would have been able to afford sushi and fancy food. So the League had already had possession of the CRC mansion by the time Snatch was killed.
@@syd.a.m The CRC attack happened in October, the Overhaul meeting was in September. The conversation about Sushi happened 5 minutes before Machia arrived.
I actually really loved this episode. Seeing how each member of the family talks through what happened, never forgetting what Endeavor did, but also admitting their own faults with how they dealt with their family crisis. BUT I still say that this is mostly Endeavor's fault, like at 95% percent. I give Rei like 4 or 5%. The kids shouldn't have to deal with their father's craziness.
I was kind of annoyed with Hawks butting in, but I did like how he gave a more uplifting note and gave Endeavor a bit of help.
How they all acknowledge that Shoto is the hero of their family. Not Endeavor. I think I really liked that. 🥰
So they are deciding that the world at large with be Endeavor's prison, which I guess is fair, especially if he has to admit that all this was true.
It’s not like anyone ever said Endeavor was the family’s hero tho lol when Rei said it, it wasn’t meant to be a petty remark but you make it sound like it was 😂
I'm a manga reader and when this chapter came out two years ago, it demonized Endeavor for me even more. If I talk about my personal life, I come from a healthy, happy household and my dad is a very loving, caring, and respectful father and husband, so seeing Endeavor like this made me feel really disgusted, truly. Also the anime still needs to animate the 2nd part of Touya's backstory, like how he survived and who rescued him. And let me tell you... That 2nd part of his backstory is even more sad and depressing.
42:30
The thing about therapy, in both real life and even in the MHA universe with Toga and them saying to suppress her urges for blood, sometimes therapy is absolutely shit, it's still a potential solution but I don't think it's always the be all and end all, I think the bigger thing was the parents to be there for their child for any and all of the circumstances, therapy and the parents being there for them is what was needed in the ended it seemed like to me.
Well Toga didn’t really get therapy. She was just told to stop. There’s quirk counseling but every kid with a quirk goes through that and it’s more just about learning about your quirk and socially acceptable ways to live with it
@@pj_spirit
I keep forgetting that ngl, ty
Dabi aka toya became so jealous so that's why he wanted to kill shoto and endeavor
Why does baby shotos face look kind of like Stewie Griffin?
JOEEE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;~;
What I don't get is why the hell did neither Endeavor or Rei just sit Toya down and tell him we went to the doctor and they said that this is why you're getting burned and they recommend that you stop using your quirk, tell him that they acknowledge how talented he really is and that if not for this unfortunate circumstance he could be an incredible hero, hug him and say we love you so please stop let's help you find another path... But they didn't do that instead just said hey just stop look at your burns so it's not gonna be you and then they popped out more and more children making Toya feel like he was like some broken toy who had been discarded. There was a way that Endeavor could've solved this but he was a coward and just the definition of a horrible father and husband and we saw where it's lead us
Endeavor couldn’t because to admit to Toya his dream was impossible would be admitting that to himself. So Endeavor decided to just look away from Toya and push that responsibility to Rei to stop him. Plus acknowledging Toya fully might make it worse in his eyes
Rei couldn’t stop him because she wasn’t strong enough both mentally and physically she couldn’t put her foot down to stop Toya.
Neither of these people were ready to be parents in short.
@@icantbelieveyoudonethis4059 Ya these were two people who weren't ready to be parents, especially Endeavor the guy we saw in those flashbacks the last thing on earth he ever should've been was a father and the creation of Dabi was the result.
They did. As Endeavor said "I told you already, this is for your own good."
And Toya told Fuyumi that he knows his body better.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 Lol they didn't explain it well enough all they said was hey you keep getting burned so no you can't be a hero this is for your own good! Lol is that the way to break the news to someone who he literally burned it into his brain that the reason he was born was for this purpose and this is how they tell him to give up? Where in this episode do you see Endeavor calmly sit Toya down and say hey we went to the hospital and this is exactly what they said, I acknowledge your talent "I SEE YOU" but me and your mom love you so help you find another way. Instead he's like hey stop it!... 😒😒
@@willfanofmanyii3751 Lmao later Toya literally tells Endeavor that he wants to show him that he was worth being born... Like only a complete idiot couldn't tell that Toya straight up told him you made me believe that being the number 1 hero was my only reason for existing... Endeavor right there could've at least attempted retort that but what did he do? He blamed it on Rei and assaulted her...
Onother episode of him beeing a disgusting dad
why is 8 year old Natsu taller than 12 year old Fuyumi
Enji genes
I was surprised too, but @blacknoise is probably right. Enji is waaay taller than his wife so Fuyumi took her height growth trjectory but Natsu grew took Enji's though he's not as tall as Enji. He's halfway between the two.
He was born premature and with a quirk defect.
@@kimj7645 touya was the preemie