F4F | Dumpster Fire on Charismatic Gullibility
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The true Church seems so small. This seems to confirm Christ’s words about narrow is the way and so few are those who find it.
I don't know why this statement makes me cry. Its seriously true.
Does that mean a large majority of people will go to Hell compared to those who go to Heaven?
Yup @@urbanexcursion
I am so grateful that i was lead away from this nonsense.. and it is sad because i'm still recovering from this. I have caught myself thinking in this same mindset of "if i do this then God wont bless me" i praise God that i now know Gods blessing is not dependent on me at all. I know i cannot be anymore blessed than to receive His mercy and Grace. Thank you for your ministry
Praying for you, it's a mighty brainwashing isn't it?
It takes a while to completely overcome it.
Praise the Lord you discovered the truth. I'm very happy for you. The truth is so sweet.
I left a Word of Faith Church in July 2021, but I still find some of their false doctrine popping up in my head😮😮
You may gain new skills just by overcoming it. For example, if you’re aware that you’re afraid that God won’t bless you because of something, that’s a chance for you to say a simple prayer and ask him instead or to consciously thank God for his gracious gifts despite not deserving them. That cultivates humility and God loves humility!
Pastor Chris dives deep into the cesspool so we don't have to.
Indeed
really brings to mind the biblical passages about having ears tickled, itchy ears, and not wanting to hear sound docturne
Man, this really was a dumpster fire! 🔥 These people have NO SHAME or fear of the Lord!
Your teachings are so valuable to me, I am coming out of the word of faith that I have been in for years and rather broken at present. This helps me to understand the false. Thank you for fighting for the faith brother.
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Brokenness is a healthy response to having taken part in blasphemy & deception... Read Ps.51, King David's experience of brokenness... I am still growing in the Grace & knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ after leaving the Charismatic Chaos over 20 years ago. Don't underestimate the blessing of brokenness.
Blessings in Christ... Puccini (UK)
We are all saints and we’re all sinners. Once I learned what false teaching was through studying scripture, I can see it more easily now. You in the right place. We all come to cross broken throughout our lives. Good bless you
I don't think I necessarily feel "broken.," but it is more like frustration concerning spending about 36 1/2 years "learning" false doctrine...My son really liked the "Children's Program" at the Word of Faith Church, so it wasn't a total waste😅 But, I noticed over the years, that the Church (their "situation" and teachings) seemed to be getting worse and worse...The congregation "did" speaking in tongues almost constantly (without any interpretation) and the Pastor's wife was talking over in the pulpit more (instead of less) And "being slain in the Spirit" was supposed to be a big deal...I had to get out....
I came out broken too. I was also very depressed. It was the gospel of Jesus Christ and good expository preaching that brought me out. The Word of God rightly divided will heal you.
I have been in the WOF Pentecostal movement for years, it's difficult to relearn and undo all the nonsense from 40 years. I so appreciate the ministries that call out these people, keep it up, be blessed always.
Get deeply in a strong bible church
Got to a Bible believing church, not based on experiences.
It’s like being brainwashed! I was soooooo deep into it that it was hard to believe it was Holy Spirit leading me out of. I thought it was devil trying to deceive me, but the unction was so strong to leave that I couldn’t ignore it. I LEFT. I felt so guilty because it was driven into me that if I didn’t give money, I wouldn’t be acceptable to GOD. It was all PERFORMANCE BASED. Now I rest in the finished work of CHRIST. I KNOW that GOD loves me and I’m BLESSED because GOD says I’m blessed in HIS WORD.
My daughter started practicing words of knowledge when she was very young. Her first word was dada, her second muma, followed shortly after with dwink.
40 years, actually now 48 years after leaving the charismatic movement, I still must pray daily that God help me to remember His word is in the Bible NOT IN MY HEAD.
Even when He saves us out of such chicanery, it takes a while to go away. Please pray for those who have already left, and of course, pray that more will leave!
It does indeed take a while.
I pray that the Lord softens you heart towards other members of the body of Christ, who don't line up with your John Macarthur study book, God bless
@@donrosscojoe5014I pray that they do line up more with John MacArthur and I will pray for you also. God bless!
May God Bless you and keep you!
and how did knowing about some ones bank account glorify our Saviour ?
Grew up in this insanity turned me away my entire life until 9 years ago
back in the 1970s, my dad summed up charismania with a simple phrase: "their only doctrine is get rich or steal".
Your dad is a wise man!
And he was correct.
what do you mean by steal?
I am just recently out of the WoF/NAR movement and so thankful. I am learning now how to pray humbly and not like a spoiled brat, demanding and declaring.
I decided one day last Dec 2023 to do one of your Bingo Prophecies and my eyes were open to how rediculous this is. Thank you for your teaching along with Drew Bloom 34, Gary S., Doreen Virtue and Dawn Hill. Recently watched Spencer Smith's Third Adam series, and so thankful for God opening my eyes. Praying for others to come out and these leaders to repent and turn to God. ❤
I grew up Assemblies of God Pentecostal and always was labeled as having a spirit of rebelion and contention because I would point out the biblical inaccuracies from a young age. I remember one time I think I was like 13 or 14 and still faithful to the bible but heavily questioning our home church ideology my parents wouldn't listen to me and being really young immature in my emotions and knowing that I was correct because I had plenty of scripture to back what I was pointing out I would get to the point of angry frustration so my parents decided they needed to call a group of our pastors to our house to pray the spirits out of me. This lead me to later around 18 just throwing out everything it wasnt untill my mid 20's that I realized ya know God is real his son died for me and the people I grew up with were the ones who were flawed not the gospel so I delved back into my word for myself. Im so glad I've found your channel because it is so relatable and helps sharpen my own appologetics for why the charismatic nonsense is just that nonsense.
Good for you standing strong in the truth…even at a young age👍
AOG went Kundalini?
These people have PRIDE🤔
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Whats so sad is that many who break out of these Cults leave Christianity completely not understanding that they were not in a christian church in the first place or anywhere near one.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE : take on Remnant Radio more fervently & directly .. They reach a LARGE crowd of sadly impressionable folks . In their opening they say “ we do the stuff “” = they call the Holy Spirit “ stuff , and get away with it .. thank you . Ray O’Flaherty , Kauai …
He's beat them handily 😂
I think "stuff" means that the Remnant Radio guys deal with people like Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyers, and Joel Osteen...That is a lot of "stuff."😮
Did you see the softball debate on cessationism between the RR guys and Doug Wilson and Webbon? It was such a shame.
@@alstroemeria227again4 Yeah, it was awesome. A wonderfully kind and generous debate between believers in Christ.
Oh my you come from Kauai so you must need to run from all the Kings Cathedral charismania too!
Just watched the most recent video from messed up church about Mike Bickle. This stuff has to stop. The charismatic movement causes nothing but pain.
.Amen I got saved in 86 under Bickle and have been brainwashed ever since! Road to healing now.
❤@@ladybug_726
I was surprised that they couldn't find out, for 30 years
patience, these wolves are blind to their purpose, on that day when 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17 takes place it will be the howling of the prosperity wolfpack telling the world that the Antichrist is God and they will preach Ezekiel 9:4-11 to justify taking the mark of the beast and to justify killing everyone who refuses, point to the real Gospel is to believe and be prepared, there are millions of people who claim Christ but have never walked with him or repented from the heart, they believe that pointless lip service is their salvation, when it isn't, 99% of people have never been born again, because they have never been told there's a price and it's not a worm fuzzy feeling, Trump is the example of Mathew 10:22/ Luke 6:22-23 as with all actual believers we are hated by the world
People have itchy and not reading their bible in context. Experiences are elevated above the word of God.
It's so interesting that when a charismatic "preacher" tells his stories it's always about another time and another place. So many stories.
Stories stories stories
"There was once upon a time when....."
It never happened when I was there. I was there for 30+ years and I never saw anything but just heard about stories that happened somewhere else.
Something always happened somewhere else.
Convenient.
The church I go to now I never hear in the pulpit anything but scripture exegeted and expounded.
No stories about the ministers experience.
If there was any stories I'd complain to the eldership about it.
I can’t believe I’ve met the Arnotts at a conference at the charismatic “church” I used to go to. Praise God for getting me out of there
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A strong delusion, they have been given over to a reprobate mind. I am so grateful for your continuing commitment to shining the light of Christ, the Gospel and the Scriptures onto this darkness... Puccini (UK)
"You're healed, you're just not walking in it". Anyone else ever hear this?
I not only heard it but Im certain I said this to many many people myself.
God forgive me 😢
Yes, and also "your faith is not strong enough to receive your healing", which in my opinion is equally wrong, and only makes the person think they have to WORK harder on their faith, then it becomes a works based salvation and not one freely and graciously given by God to all His chosen ones. The Truth is that no one is righteous enough to stand before a thrice holy God, or work hard enough to receive His unmerited healing. God does not love anyone more than anyone else, or elevate one over another. Even our faith is a gift of God lest anyone should boast, so if you lack faith, just ask Him for more, ... just know that you will go through many trials in order to receive that increase in faith. 😉
@@Cmedic57 So true! When I was a young Christian this was said to me and for many years after, I prayed why my faith wasn't strong enough. Then I read that God gives each of us a measure of faith. Made me see with new eyes!
Yes. Here's a new one, "Truth trumps facts!"
I can't explain it but apparently that's a new tag line.
@@kenandcarlson6504 There's always some new catch phrase!
Without their Lies their Gravy Train Dies! When you must Twist Scripture or Lie to defend your beliefs, Red Flag!
Pastor Chris you are such an amazing teacher of God's word!!
THANK YOU, my friend 🙏
* also your sense of humor is right up my alley!!!!! ❤
I am constantly stunned at the lack of discernment of Charismatics. There are a handful of men in the movement who I have no doubt love God but who raise my eyebrows in astonishment when I hear them embrace people who are either loony tunes or clearly being used by demonic spirits. It’s as though they have never read Acts 16:16. Good job.
I so enjoy seeing the fruits of your photography genius at the start of each show. Each one is truly remarkable.
If he wants to 'give out a word of knowledge', then preach the word!
When I first came to start going to church with the girl that I was going to marry her family was into all of that type of charismatic craziness and I didn’t understand any of it but it sounded funny to me long story short we got married in a couple years later I really started listening to good teaching on the radio and started reading my Bible and started learning the truth and we were delivered from this charismania.
Wow!! This was incredible for me because of the second segment. I watched the three part BBC story of TB Joshua and it was sickening. Then today hearing that John and Carol Arnott from Toronto had gone to be in a service there years ago was shocking to me. I got involved with John and Carol and the Vineyard years ago. Then followed along with this Charismatic garbage for 30 odd years until 3 years ago when the Lord began to open my eyes to the truth through listening to your podcasts along with others like Messed Up Church, Justin Peters and longfortruth1 and a few others. I went through so much depression during those 30 years because of their teachings. Now so much has been revealed about these cult churches that it makes my head spin. Praise the Lord for true Christians like you Chris that pour themselves out to help little old people like me finally be set free with the gospel of Jesus Christ!!
How does this woman have 144K subscribers? The same reason Kenneth Copeland has 400K subscribers, Benny Hinn has 700K, Osteen has 3.4 million, etc... God's grace is not sufficient for them. Hard to watch these people. I'm glad you do it but I'm not sure how you do it.
22:00 Described the scene from the Bill Murray movie Scrooged. Where he tries to walk through a door and the Ghost of Christmas Past laughs at him.
Amen. You don’t have to be a cessationist to see that they are deceived! I know I spelled that wrong lol
Thank you for your channel. Your passion for the Lord and preaching the truth of His Word is an inspiration, and your teachings are invaluable. Thank you for all your hard work xxx
Thank you and God bless you Brother and Pastor Chris, always helpful and a blessing to hear the biblical truth while exposing these false charlatans too.
Can't wait for this one!!!!!Said on another video the same thing!!Charismaniacs will literally believe anything!😂😂😂😂😂God bless and thank you for exposing these wolfs!!!
we don't need a prophetic answer, the scripture has all the answers
Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord.
-- Jeremiah 23:16
Thank you Sir for sparing me from having to watch such insanity. I can't understand how folks can follow such nonsense.
God bless you brother!!! You did very well with their NONSENSE!!! Thank you for standing up for THE WORD OF GOD! Not too many out there left. May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you immensely!!!
It’s that Shirley McClain quackery that purports to have you beam yourself up Scottie. 🤣
The guy from your second video (Bruce Allen) is opening an "Apostle and Prophet training center" where I live. Just outside Spokane, WA. There are ALOT of "wingnut wackerdoodles" here. His "ministry" is called Still Waters International. We have two huge ARC churches (I got out of one), John G. Lake and now this guy. 😮
Yikes!
Pastor Chris thank you for the Kingdom work you do. God bless you and your family.
Back in the 70’s a Catholic nurse I worked with, came in talking about the Catholic Charismatic Movement. First time I heard about this with prophecy, speaking in tongues, healings, etc. First heard term “Word of Faith” in the 70’s from a distraught Episcopalian mother whose teenagers had been invited to attend a newly opened church in New Orleans East called “Word of Faith.” She was concerned about what they were learning & asked what we knew. I had nothing. Boy, how much more commonplace & prevalent this has become. Enjoyed listening.
This is sad to see. So many seeking false signs and wonders with no discernment.
The AG church I had been going to for 10 years started sliding into garbage doctrine like this. I wasn’t sure why at the time, but every Sunday I would sit through a service I would feel so nauseated, eventually, after MUCH prayer, the Lord caught my attention in no uncertain way, and I got out. I’m now in a strictly complementarian church where the Pastor rightly divides the word of truth, and teaches his flock how to be Bible students. He tells us from time to time,
*”My job is to rightly divide the word of truth. YOUR job is to fact check me.”*
He may not be perfect, nor is the church, but at least he’s teaching us how to study the Bible, Jesus is God (not man), and it’s a solid church that isn’t given to charismatic mysticism nonsense like this.
I see a lot of heresy going in a large AG megachurch here south of Springfield MO. They had Bill Johnson come in to teach. I came out of the AG church decades ago.
I spent my firt 40 years at AG churches. .they have moved so far away from truth
@@johnsyler8580 *Wow!* Yeah, I was mentored in AG in the beginning of my walk, but then moved on to Foursquare where my spiritual parents attended. Those two denominations always had problems (they were birthed pretty much out of falsehood, so go figure), but today the shaky ground they once stood on has given way to blatant heresy. As I see it, the heresy is believed and espoused by people who largely want God on their own terms. Many Foursquare pastors nowadays (however quietly) affirm homosexuality as being legitimized by God. I came *OUT from* homosexuality. Many scriptural truths are either stretched beyond their limits, or are tossed out altogether because they do not align with doctrines of demons. Oh, and I grew up in a Conservative Baptist church, BTW. Excellent theology. Thats probably what helped me discern the garbage taught to me in later years.
@@tboned1 Yes they have. God bless you.
Jesus is the God man. Both are correct. 100% God (never stopped being) but added humanity. He is indeed 100% man as well.
Pastor Chris, Thanks so much for your channel. I have been watching you for only a short time now but have learned so much. I appreciate the in-depth analysis of what the Charismatic Movement teaches. You are absolutely correct that most Christians do not take God’s word as serious and authoritative as they should. Many could not argue effectively biblical truths against this post-modern,liberal culture. Thanks again for all you provide and the time you put into the details. A true scholar of the Word of God.
I am awake, Pastor Chris. Thank you for your voice of reason and biblical reinforcement.
Practicing a word of knowledge is like trying to practice holiness. Unless God gives it, it can't be done. Plus, anyone who can rattle off my bank account number and the exact dollar amount I have, I would quickly call the cops.
Right you are. We cannot practice a gift that God has not bestowed on us. As far as the bank account number, as mentioned, if the false prophet is not being lead by the Holy Spirit, then it is a demon that gave him those numbers. Take the Ouija Board or Sooth Sayers ... they can perform these same false miracles through demonic mediums. That is why it is so important to ask God to deliver us from evil directed at us, knowing that He is greater than the ruler of this world. Jesus incorporated that in the prayer He taught to His disciples ... "deliver us from evil".
Hi F4F
Thank you for making these videos.
I had a question in my heart on how to know what is preached by men of God is true, but these days, through your videos, I am learning how to
It seems like these folks not only lack discernment but also contentment.
Yes, “test the spirits”. A number of years ago I heard a couple say that they went to a fortune teller and she told them things about them she could never have known.
"Double It." I'm still waiting...
I dare you to hold your breath until it happens 🤣
@@Cheesiemccatbutt Suicide baiting isn't nice.
Well, I went through a whole range of emotions in this short dumpster fire.
I tried to walk through a wall once when I was really tired...had bruises for a week 😂
😂😂
Oh wow, that teleporting man reminds me of the Heaven’s Gate leader. Yikes!
Haha yes marshall applewhite
Thank you for your ministry Chris. It is blessing us all to hear sound doctrine and to see the biblical text opened so much.
For a second I thought I made a comment already 😂
Astral projection comes to mind
I feel you Brother!!!!!!!!
Love your content! Keep preaching truth!
I'm thankful for the mercy of God. Years ago, I had gotten into the charismatic movement. Honestly, there was something almost intoxicating about having someone share a "word from the Lord" with you. I found myself being bored with God's written word. It felt more exciting to hear things about increasing, prosperity, something big on the horizon, etc. Only these things just weren't coming true. Yet it never seemed to phase those who were following these people.
I remember one time being at a men's retreat and pressured to share a "prophetic word" with some of the guys. So I just made something up and almost instantly felt sick at my stomach. I knew I was wrong and that what I had not spoken was not from the Lord. I was truly broken. That was the beginning of my walking away from the movement.
Remember Jesus telling the people following him who only wanted to see his signs and wonders? He said they were a wicked and adulterous generation. They weren’t seeking him for the right reasons. ❤
You are 100% correct...Keep going Brother!!
Just spoke with a UA-cam person who is fairly known and he says that verse stating he spoke presumptuously doesn't mean he's a false prophet. Because it doesn't actually say he's a false prophet. He also told me that not everything God has for us is in the Bible. I pointed to him a number of passages that talk about being a false prophet but because it doesn't literally say that person is a "false prophet", well he just got that one wrong. He refuses to believe any of today's prophets are false.
They always have a book to sell.
I recently seen videos where Pagani is “practicing” how to to “Prophesy” with paid customers on stage…
Looks more like a soothsayer then...smh :/
EXCELLENT video, thank you!
10:30
Most people don't connect Matthew 4:4 , with Luke 4:4:
It is WRITTEN
Deuteronomy 8:3
Thanks Chris for remaining grounded in the Word of God. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 comes to mind - where God sends a strong delusion to those believing lies over truth. Will share this one.
God bless you pastor Chris
Coming out of the charismatic church nearly wrecked my faith....but praise God I am slowly learning the truth..I want nothing more to do with this false church. Thank you Chris for your faithfulness.
I think the main issue happening with a lot of new Christians like myself and maybe these guys is that when we understand something reading the scripture, meaning when the Holy Spirit has clarified meaning, we think it’s a revelation that everyone needs to hear. when I first started reading the Bible a year and a half ago I was so excited to share all of this with everyone but I didn’t do it in a way that gave God the glory so I had to step back and stop sharing it at all just to make sure that I had a relationship with the Lord first and I understand that there are no more prophets.
After a few gentle rebukes and chastisements from the Holy Spirit, I have tried to be more like the Bereans, verifying it with scripture.
To clarify, I didn’t prophecy though.
Thank you so much for doing what you do. I love dumpster diving
Thank you for exposing this darkness!
I believe these people are a judgement from God on those who worship a god of their own making
If in the US, it's judgement for being open 7 days a week
They're supposed to be closed
, Sunday, or Saturday
Being open 7 days a week, started
only
in the early 70s
Before that
Only stores like MAYFAIR MARKET which was Communist, were open
Co-op market was similar
Can you explain to me why charismatic healers always have a higher percentage healing rate than hospitals? I was a nurse for 39 years, and I saw people die or end up in ICU from believing they had been healed. My brother-in-law became irretractably insane following being healed, and I wonder if he became possessed - he certainly sounded like it.
19:22 - 19:23 ... when she said he met Elijah, I had no choice but to bust out laughing, and then the icing on the cake was "HE MET ELIJAH?! *Gasp*"
Usually these frauds claim to have met Jesus; I guess He was busy, so Elijah had to fill in.
One day I ordered a cab and was given a ride by Polyvarp. True story! 👍 😊
I adore your dumpster fires ❤❤❤ thank you for your faithfulness to God.
Wow just wow. Found your channel this a.m. and am now subscribed.
Love your channel Pastor
Truth is we are living in the GREAT APOSTASY"
Thank you for pointing out the Arnotts went to TB Joshua. I thank the good Lord for bringing me out of this nonsense, & pray for others eyes to be opened. May our gracious Heavenly Father and the Lord Jesus bless you and others pointing out the truth.
You have such a great calling, and execute most lovely. My recently passed on to glory dad would have cosigned you....Blessings.
Thanks
God bless you Chris
That first guy is a great entertainer. And what does a great entertainer do? Give the people what they want to hear!
I couldn’t stand the yelling or the lies.
Thank god for good works you are doing
If that last guy can teach me to translate from one place to another, we should all learn how! It'd save a ton on gas! Can you imagine how easy it would be to get together on holidays! 😂 😅
Wow. He doesn't even try to hide it. And no accountability. That's really troubling.
She and her guest need to materialize at the Cessationist Conference this October, on stage during one of the presentations, speak in genuine tongues, and heal a few people. I mean, if they really could fly around and exhibit what many Charismaniacs claim to be able to do, they would close the so called debate and the conference. But, they won't because they can't.
So many are deceived and deceiving others. So sad that these leaders truly believe what they're teaching, and will be utterly confused when they see God and he says I never knew you. How terrifying!
“Awakening” = New Age religion
Bingo!!!
New Age Demonic Deception
It's sad, because that woman Jennifer had an "encounter with Jesus," or a visit from some demon pretending to be Jesus. She sincerely believes that these other people are having real encounters, visions, visits to heaven, etc. Reading the Bible can save us from so much of this, it's tragic.
I have a problem. I left the Charismatic word of faith movement about six years ago and joined a Lutheran congregation and have been attending ever since and went through all of the classes to join and become a member and so I’m a member in good standing but I’m noticing Charismatic ideas concepts principles coming through the music and what is called contemporary music in my churchand I don’t know what to do about it
Speak out about it,as one who has seen its evils you are well equipped to warn those who cannot see the deception that lies behind it.
That guy is a new ager thru n thru!
wonder what copperfield would pay for THIS secret!!
15:40 Made out of light? The Force is strong with this one! 😂
Do we need to get out our Kool-Aid cups for the episode?
In deep believer the comments are all great ONLY because she deletes anything that even questions the guest. Which are all very off.
Thank you Jesus for bringing me out of NAR. 🙏❤❤❤❤
Normally I find these false teachers sad but this time brother you made me laugh with your expressions, these people are downright ODD
That guy at the end has been on sid roth right? Cause he definitely reminds me of a sid roth guest