History of Slovenia every year
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2022
- History of Slovenia every year
Zgodovina Slovenije leto po leti
Base map and texture: maps-for-free.com/
Discord server: / discord
Programs I use: paint.net, QGIS, Flourish, Camtasia Studio 8, Sony Vegas Pro 17
Join: / pogkpp
Music:
- Jar - Skudrinka
- Jar - Jarowoj
- dark battle music
Sources:
www.researchgate.net/profile/...
www.wehrbauten.at/ktn/kaernten...
www.britishslovenesociety.org...
www.dlib.si/
sk.wikipedia.org/
hr.wikipedia.org/
uk.wikipedia.org/
pl.wikipedia.org/
sb.wikipedia.org/
en.wikipedia.org/
dijaski.net/gradivo/zgo_ref_s...
www.savel-hobi.net/leksikon/zg...
hrcak.srce.hr/file/219500
Zgodovina Celja in okolice - Janko Orožen
Mitska stvarnost knežjih kamnov - Andrej Pleterski
O vojvodskem stolu in Liburniji ter o metodi in znanstveni korektnosti neke razprave - Peter Štih
Conversio Bagoariorum et Carantanorum - Milko Kos
#Slovenia #Slovenija #History
From Slovenia, I salute you for explaining our history in such detail❤️🇸🇮
yo i didnt know that
me too
Hi Alias why are you here?
Lol, jst sm tut Slovenc pa tut igram gd XD
Respect and Greetings to you neighbours from Hungary✌🏽🤝
veš kaj je čudno o Sloveniji da je naša drževa v obliki kokoši
What is funny is, Maribor (ger. Marburg) was later germanic colony, but is now in Slovenia, and Gratz (slo. Gradec) was a slavic settlement, but is now in Austria. Both towns are still in the same region of Styria (ger. Steiermark)
Karantanija je bila prej. Avstrijcev še ni bilo. Avstrijci so mešanica Slovencev in Bavarcev DNA vse pove.
Kranjska, Štajerska, Koruška, Prekmurje, Primorska, Dolenjska, Gorenjska, Notranjska, Haloze, Istra (Koper, Portorož, Izola, Piran, Ilirska Bistrica, Kozina).
@@mihamkg3519Stanovnici današnje Kranjske su uglavnom Hrvati, Poglavito u Beloj krajini i Prekmurju!!!
I love how detailed Karantanija is, good job!
Pardon,Stara Koroška
@@Motofanable ja pač po angleško Karantanija a veš
It is a miracle that Slovenia still exists. Because of conscious Slovenians who insisted on living Slovenian and did not get in to cultural imperialism. Today, people do not realize how much effort it took to be able to live in this country.
I am really glad to see that people don't forget about such small and seemingly insignificant countries that have their very rich and interesting history!
Love to Slovenia🇸🇮 from Russia⬜🟦⬜
You are serb
Your from russia? I'm from slovenia:)
@@jan-yj5yl Yes, I am from Russia. I have always found the history of Slovenia very interesting as you are very far away and also very close to non-Slavic countries. I like the fact that South Slavs were able to populate eastern Italy and Austria.
@snefi Denmark has long been the dominant Scandinavian country. It controlled most of the northern sea.Denmark also had colonies in India and Africa.
I'm from croatia
Im very into ancient history yet i didnt know Slovenia is that old
Nigdy nie wiedziałem że Słowenia ma taką długą historię 😳
Same.
Slovenia as a country is young thing, but not as a nation.
Ofcorse it's in Europe not North America
me too
@@vlacko lol
absolutely stunning. Amount of work done to make this video is insane. I haven't thought that information about all these exclaves is possible to find anywhere, yet you did it.
Very nice video especialy the early middle ages part. But you did miss some really massive peasant rebelions of 15. 16. and 17. century. Especially the 1515 rebellion in wich predominantly Slovenian peasants in Kranjska Štajerska and Koroška rose up and took most cities and castles. Rebellion lasted four months. At its maximium the peasant militias had somewhere between 80.000 and 100.000 men and held most of modern Slovenian land.
That's a shame Carantania and Alpine Slavs perished in history. Unique and second oldest slavic country.
Wasn’t Carantania more Germanic?
@smidi perceft there was Antae confederacy
@@TsarGopnikTV later only, thanks for prices inviting german settlers
@@TsarGopnikTV Nope. Started as Slavic (Slovenian) country but then slowly Germanized over many century.
You must know that in 7th century Alpine Slavs live all the way north to the Danube river.
@@TsarGopnikTV nope, german imigration and germanisation hapened later.
I really appreciate this video as a Slovene since my country is so rarely talked about online, I would like to maybe point out some entities like the Illyrian kingdom, Austrian litoral, Carniola, Styria and Carinthia. All of these existed under the Austrian empire but Slovenes had a lot of influence in those regions, I found it weird that all the land under the Celje dynasty was shown but not what I mentioned but none the less great video!!
Tovariš, počutim se enako
@@jozkotomsic2487 Jst sm biu ful zmeden ko sm vidu thumnbail od tega videa sm rabu neki časa da sm registrirau haha
Iliri so obstajali pod Avstrijskim cesarstvom... Piješ ti? :)
@@StoparLuka poglej ilirske province pod napoleonom. Piješ ti?
@@masterofnordinbad8914 dude, napoleon in avstrijsko cesartsvo?! Kot da bi dal skupaj Hitlerja in Veliko Britanijo... In kaj je tu tako slovenskega, to da smo dobili za kratek čas več pravic do šolanja v lastnem jeziku je čista dobra volja francozov, zato da so ustvarjali občutek, da so nas osvobodili... kar nas seveda niso. Kako to tolmačite zgodovino?
Great video! I’m so happy you included their pre history as well
long live our wonderful neighbor SLOVENIA, many greetings from Croatia. 🇭🇷❤️🇸🇮
thank you brother
hvala
Bog živi in blagoslovi našo sosedno državo Hrvaško in hrvaški narod! 🇸🇮❤️🇭🇷🙏
Neka vrate Sv. Geru pod vlast Republike Hrvatske.
@@patrikcargaOni su odmetnuta braća.
I never knew anything about slovenian history but now I know you guys have some pretty nice history
Love Slovenia from Serbia🇷🇸♥️🇸🇮
Jeszcze raz gratuluję dobrej roboty, sporo się dowiedziałem o Karantanii.
When i'm in the most shitty border competition and my opponent is Early 15th century Celje:
Xd that’s medieval exclaves for ya like Austrian exclaves in the middle of nowhere
never existed
thanks for doing this of my home country many people don t even know slovenia exists
Don't forget, there were many Vends (ancestors of Slovenes) in Hungary before the Ottomans.
This has a lot of things missing. Medieval uprinsings/revolts, the fact that dukes of Carinthia took an oath in Slovene during coronation up until early 15th century is completely omitted, no mention of Illyrian provinces, the period after WWI when a State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs existed and also the war between Austrians and Slovenes (later joined by the Serbian army) that broke out over territory in southern Carinthia and Styria etc.
the illyrian provinces were a french region with a french leader, not a slovenian state.
@@No-ch6fp noone said it was, reread the comment
Zapowiada się kozacko.Już oglądam
I love Slovenia from Hungary
I really love Slovenia and Slovenians! If it weren't for them, Serbia wouldn't have such a beautiful anthem!
Fun little tidbit: Carantania comes from the Carni tribe that used to live in the area (same with Carniola and another one i forgot)
The name “ Carni “ comes out from the Latin word “ carne “…….means meat…..because of the reddish face and body…….
and carnten (german) you mean? or the city kranj?
You've got to be one of the most talented mappers on UA-cam.
i love your videos, its amazing, god bless poland from a descendant of polishes in saint paul brazil
great quality video, I apriciate it
great video man
Most of their history was spent under foreign Germanic rule yet they never lost their Slavic identity.
How did Carantanians aka Slovenians achieve this?
well most of them were farmers, that had little connection to the outside world so the only option would be to just slowly brought in more settlers, and in the 1000 years they managed to Germanise more than 2 thirds of Slovene territory.
It is a much longer history of "survival". Only a small part of nowadays Slovenian ancestors came to this place in the 6th century...it was actually over 4000 years of gap reunion. Ancestors of Slovenes lived here before Kelts, Romans, e.t.c. but were always to survive, keeping the identity but always adopted: Romanized, Germanized,,, nowadays you can hear more English in the capital downtown than Slovene. It is interesting to read new discoveries and research from 2013 "The Origin of Slovenes and other Europeans". The other example is Irish people who lost their language, nowadays recovering more or less as the folklore, but ket their identity... speaking English but not English.
@@mojaslovenija9903dumb autochthonist
@@mojaslovenija9903 Kako to misliš, da so predniki Slovencev živeli tu že pred Kelti, Rimljani in ostalimi ilirskimi plemeni? Predniki Slovencev so sem migrirali v sredini 6. stoletja. Pika. Takrat se začne razvoj t. i. slovenskega naroda oz. bolj točno Slovanov na slovenskem ozemlju, čeprav Slovenci kot narod obstajamo šele od preloma iz 18. v 19. stoletje. Samo zato, ker je nek narod živel na slovenskem ozemlju, jih to še ne naredi Slovencev. Res je sicer, da smo Slovenci mešanica različnih ljudstev, ki so tu živela, ampak to ni dovolj dober razlog za enačenje teh ljudstev s Slovenci.
@@gaspermilost2723 Preberi "Izvor Slovencev in drugih Evropejcev, 2013", ter muzejsko arheološko razstavo Gorenjskega muzeja "Slovani, kakšni slovani?". Slovenec je moderen pojem nastal v 18. stoletju, podobno kot npr. Italijani. Sodobna spoznanja v znanosti/arheologiji močno spodkopavajo mite pisane iz časopisov, ki so jih povzemali zgodovinarji. Znanost uničuje temelje nacionalizmov in rasizma.
i love Slovenia
hello from Russia
❤
Awesome! The name POGKPP and the word Quality should be synonymous with each other. One question if you don't mind, but was Lake Balaton itself actually bigger in the past, or are you including areas surrounding the lake that were generally submerged before the Danube flood regulations were implemented as being extensions of the lake in the map? Additionally, if you do know any sources regarding the hydrographical history of the Pannonian Basin, then could you please direct me to some material? Thanks!
i dont have any good sources for hydrology
@@POGKPP I see, well thanks for the response anyways.
I didn't know Slovenia 🇸🇮 from this side.
7:43 Strange surname of this former Slovenian president "Türk".
that surname was given to people who came from the balkans escaping from the ottoman empire, were actually turk (rare), or have just beaten some turkish invaders up in the time of turkish invasions
I heard somewhere about that but I am not sure
Other than Janez Dernovšek all of our presidents were non-partisan. Some just temporarily suspended their party membership (e.g. the last one) and Danilo Türk actually never was a member of any party, so I'm not sure why it says SD under his name
My dad had a friend growing up with the last name Turk. It was in a Slovenian Neiborhood on the East side of Cleveland, Ohio, U.S. A place that was inhabited almost exclusively by the families of Slovenian immigrants and his family was like influential in the ethnic scene. I always wondered why Turk was his name because it sounds so, well, Turkish. Now it makes sense.
Yes, he is Turkish!
great video, i hope to see serbia or finland next 👍
We know though, that after the last count of Celje died, the land was transferred to the Habsburg dynasty, thus ending any kind of self-governance for centuries.
Great video.
Dübrĕ film!👌
is this in Polabian?
@@shpho jo
Great job! I never knew that Carantania and Celje vas that big. One small detail though as of 2023 our new president is Nataša Pirc Musar not Borut Pahor. Keep up the good work.
Thanks!
Словения прекрасная. Сохранили славянство. Мы русские вас любим братья. 💕Камчатка ⛰️🏔🗻🌋💯🇷🇺🙏
On this map I've never seen Trieste being Slovenian, or Koroška ( Carinthia ) with Beljak ( Celovec ) was under Slovenia for a long time and went to Austria after a referendum by the people. Before WW1 Slovenia was 1/2 larger, some of the land took Italians on the west ( given by allies after WW2 ) and before that we lost big chunk to Austria after WW1.
Around year 800-1000 Carantania ( Karantanija in Slovenian langue ) was not presented as it should be. At that Time Veneti were part of Carantania ( Veronska Krajina ) on the west, North were Swabia and Bavaria all Part of East Frankia. On the east we had Istra, who we lost it to Croatia. North East Carantania was attacked by Hungarians constantly. And on the north-east we border on Moravia. This was the big Karantanija created and forged by Alpic Slavs with King Samo, Duke Valuk or Duke Borut who should be never forgotten by our Slovenian people today.
Slovenia🇸🇮‼︎!
Supcio!!
On behalf of the Indonesian govt, we've successfully recognized Slovenia as an independent country from Yugoslavia during the presidency of Suharto in 1991.
There may be an low chance for you to see this but, Could you try doing the History of Croatia? Because it would really help me studiying more about my own country.
My collab mate (idk if collabolator is a right word) made that already.
@@POGKPP А Словения и Словакия🇸🇰 входили в Аварский Каганат
Good video
I like that you matched the accelerated tribal music to the accelerating elapsed years since Celje was occupied by presumably the Ottomans yet actually the Austriansssz
austrians, ottomans never reached slovenia
@@woopro1234 Well, their empire never did, but their soldiers were there trying very hard. The Slovenes actually fought them until their very numbers were becoming small. Slovenians fought very hard and that's why they were never under Ottomans.
@@mitchymasar9549 yes i know, i am from slovenia
@@woopro1234 Yeah sorry should have guessed. I'm just a history nerd who can't help but ramble history to everyone. Apologies. Is disrespectful of me.
@@mitchymasar9549 I'm a history nerd myself and you don't need to be sorry.
Za dobre susjede Slovence, pozdrav iz Hrvatske 👍
this is perfect
Dobra robota.
very good video, but you should mabye have included austria aswell, since its not like slovenes just dissapeard for a couple of hundred years. I believe that up to 1414 king of austria had to be sworn in in slovenian language, and for a long part of austrian history a big part if not the majority spoke slovenian for hundreds of years in austria.
Roots of Austria are actually in nowadays Switzerland.
@@mojaslovenija9903 no they are not, perhaps you mean the roots of hasbourg family.
@@figaroo4816 yes hasbourgs
That's not true at all
true
Jakie masz teraz plany na przyszłość?
The most unfair part is at 7:13
TRUE
Po mestu Kranj (Carnium, Creina, Chreina, Krainbourg, Krainburg), ki je bilo sprva njeno središče, je poimenovana tudi zgodovinska pokrajina Kranjska. Kranj je bila prva prestolnica Slovencev, saj je bil od 8. stoletja dalje center Slovanske kneževine Karniole, ki jo langobardski kronist Pavel Diakon označuje z besedami »Carniola, patria Sclavorum« (Karniola, domovina Slovanov). Mesto je dobilo ime po keltskem ljudstvu imenovanem Karni, o katerih poročajo že antični pisni viri (Livij, Plinij, Strabon).
Kaj neki, Kranj je balkaniziran zapis lokalnega Kran, katerage ime izhaja iz Krajn, ta pa iz Kraj'na - Krajina kakšni kelti neki
@@koalabear1984 Če ne veš, ne komentiraj. Lp
@@krancan123 Zanimivo, v madžarskem jeziku se reče Kranjski Krajna in njihovi viri navajajo, da ime izhaja iz slovankega poimenovanja za (obmejno) deželo - krajina. Čeprav je toponim fonetično podoben z latinskim Carnia ni nujno, da eden izhaja iz drugega. Logično se vsekakor bolj zdi: Krajina->Krain->Krain+ska->Kranjska. Nemška in slovenska beseda po verjetnosti nima antične kontiounitete.
Povprečen nealbanski prebivalec kranja (še 12 jih je ostalo)
@@woopro1234 Povprečen internet huligan, vsaj slovensko se nauči.
Lets make slovenia big again fellow patriots
What do You mean?
it never was big nor did it exist before
Yo I don't wanna be that guy but you forgot about the Illirian Provinces and later the Illirian Kingdom, which was a part of Austria but had some sort of self control. But great video tho
Good video, but it's a shame how after 1456 it's skips to after WW1, where the borders inside Yugoslavia aren't shown and also 1931 isn't correct.
Szacun, że pomimo 1000 lat niewoli dalej nie stracili wiary w państwo🤘
If we would be slaves, Slovenes today would not exist. So no, we weren't slaves.
@@makavelimaka8035if u wanted to succed in medieval slovenia with basicaly anything you had to speak german. But yet we still exist
Nice
Bold of you to assume that Slovenia won't massively expand in 2023 🇸🇮👌
Can you please make History of Kazakhstan Every Year? please im begging you 😔
Slovenia just awakes every few hundred years and becomes a big kingdom and then out of the blue loses everything it carefully builded up.
well they made a mistake by being pagan, germans used this as an exuse to start a civil war to weaken them and then conquer them 💀
Because Slovenes are peaceful nation, mostly surrounded by the Nazi, Fascist and right wing nationalistic countries till this day.
Some even use the same flag from WW2.
@@makavelimaka8035 pretty sure u dont need all those fancy words when you can just say austrians xd
big? these kingdom were smaller than belgium
@@No-ch6fp he meant carantania
Hey can you do timeLine rulers of Austria and Prussia and china please
Slovenia in 1930s was not named Slovenia but if I am not mistaken Dravska Banovina which is important as in Kingdom of Yugoslavia they avoided using national names for parts of the country
Comrade as a Slovenian i can say odlično tovariš
i have one question, in 0700 slovenia (carantania) is litterly just defacto austria
no, because austria didn't exist at that time....but the territory is of today's austria and germany. austrians are germans with long enough history of independent monarchy/state authority ... which can be seen even in the name of their state Österreich, meaning East kingdom. they are "on their own" for enough long time (like a "milenium") to differ from other germans as a nation...
at that time there was little germans, with time they pushed us south. still today 30% of south austrian genes are rk2 (hope i wrote that right) that mostly only Slovenians have
History of Greece please
Disclaimer i am not a Slovak.
I never knew Slovenia had a lot of history! Now i am curious about Slovakia but i know you know focus on Balkans!
Ps whats the next video is going to be? I hope its my country! (Greece).
mongol empire probably
@@POGKPP based. Btw the "history of the balkans video." when will it be out? (speculated).
because it does not have a lot of history it had a war that lasted for 10 days the rest is all propaganda
Southeastern Austria is ethnically closer related to Slovenia rather than Germany, modern Carinthians (Kärnten) just speak German due to cultural imperialism.
Time for a re-match.
I didn't know Slovenia HAD a history !!! 😁😵
I was thinking you will never do a Balkan country,but you did . Great job!
Historically a Balkan country is a country ruled by Ottomans - named Turkiye Europe in French and the term Balkan started to be used by German geographers in mid. 18th century due to the lack of knowledge of the geography of the area occupied by Ottomans. Term Balkan became popular after WW1 by Serbian geographers as a tool to expand Serbia to the northwest, but not being aware that Balkan is a Turkish name for Stara Gora in nowadays Bulgaria. there is also no Balkan Peninsula which is just a construct based on understanding the geography of Southeast Europe. Slovenia newer was a Balkan country not historically nor geographically. The only Balkan country nowadays is the European part of nowadays Turkiye. Just my professional remark...
@@mojaslovenija9903 ok but I use the Balkan term of the country of this "peninsula"
@@theuknowngdplayer2348 There is another missleading of some geographers who are not familliar with the physical geography... there is no Balkan penincula... just a "play" term with never defined borders. Asxa professional geografer I am aware that even geographers use (wrongly) name Balkan penincula... wikipedia, even serious literature as Britannica, but the area doesn't fit with physical geography to be penincula. Black sea is not Mediterranean and is acctually land locked sea as Kaspian Sea, tiny Bosphor channel doesn't count...
If only Carantania managed to last longer...
No, potem bi se imenovali Korošci.
🇸🇰🤝🇵🇱Greetings from Slovakia My polish friend!
What is about Balaton Principality? Was it Carantanian state?
It was created by nitrans
@@POGKPP Is disputed. Slovenians say it was a Carantanian state, but Slovaks says it was like you say. I would say that Slovenians and Slovaks back then were pretty much the same.
@@Kintabl Nitran Duke migrated here and created this Duchy himself, how it can be disputed?
@@POGKPP Even in your video 'Lower Panonnia' or Balaton Principality is part of Karantanija at 3:25 in the year 878. So I don't know.
@@Kintabl And what does it have to the pribina's migration to the Balaton?
Did they have a strong and big army in the days of karantanija???
I love Slovenia❤️❤️❤️
History of Georgia pls
7:32 somebody has a country name
A na Spodnjo Panonijo ste pa pozabili in na zgodovinske dežele znotraj cesarstva? Video je katastrofalna redukcija zgodovine!
Balaton je prepisal Nitri, Notranjo Avstrijo je prepisal Habsburžanom, upore pa sploh upošteval kot državno ustanovo
Video je faking najs nevem ke vidš težave
Can you do Serbia next
Much, much love to my favourite republic 🇲🇪🟦⬜🌟⬜🟥💖🇸🇮
1452.Your map is wrong.You put Croatia where was actualy Slavonia
Nirvana did a concert here and Bassist of Nirvana, Krist Novoseliç did an interview to raise money for Yugoslavia and the war
Looks like I guessed right
If you didn't know, Slovenia wouldn't exist if Serbia hadn't participated in WWI
Tako je.
Pusti ih, neka prave ove bajke od klipova na kojima pola vremena njih ni nema na mapi😂
Slovenia has no history until 1991.
before that it was Austrian land populated by Croats.
In 1919 there was a Kingdom of Slovenians, Croatians and Serbs.
do we have any austrians here? care to share an opinion about our mutual history?
austrians are germanized sovens
Idk why but velje has so much cursed borders it made my mind explode lmao🇸🇮
Tipične fevdalne meje
Greating from Bulgaria Slovenia.❤,1 Question pleas i no bad emocional for us.What Slivenia in 7 century ? Literaly 4-5 Countries in europe.Bizantine empire, Franks empire , Avar kaganat, Bulgaria and slavs but no country.I ,m confused budy .
Next Croatia?
1. Mute the video
2. Start watching
Slovenia
i live in Slovenia and i didnt know that too🤔
gdzie plebiscyt w 1920
History of spain please
hate to be a grammar nazi but *leto po letu or better leto za letom
🇵🇱♥️🇸🇮
In the firsr years it was close to the coast but not on it💀for hundreds of years
6:09, LOOK, HE FORGOT THAT HE'S NOT RUNNING A POLISH CHANNEL!!
Nie widzę najmniejszego sensu w nie-uwzględnianiu Karyntii, Krainy i Styrii pod panowaniem np. Habsburgów
A poza tym spoko wideo, można się czegoś nowego dowiedzieć
Te księstwa były tylko tytularne plus trudno je nazwać słoweńskimi, tam już za czasów karantanii doszło do germanizacji, tylko właśnie w rejonach Słowenii się uchowali potomkowie karantan czyli słoweńcy.
@@POGKPP A co to jest nie-tylko tytularne księstwo? Do germanizacji doszło tylko na północy, południowe regiony wszystkich trzech zawsze pozostały słowiańskie, a co do potomków to współcześni austriacy również są w dużej mierze potomkami karantan.
Myślę, że taki format jak w wideo o Śląsku albo Pomorzu, pokazujący jakiś region i wszystko co na nim było ma dużo więcej sensu niż takie subiektywne wybieranie sobie co zalicza się do dziedzictwa np. Słowenii a co nie wg. jakichś dziwnych kryteriów. Moim zdaniem wszystko co istniało w granicach obecnego państwa Słowenia to część jej historii.
@@Meow-ml5hv Jandáčkov (2002) uvid je bil kasneje dodelan (Jandáček in Perdih 2008) in ga pokažem samo v dveh alineih:
- Od zunaj prišle elite (nemška, madžarska, italijanska, francoska in druge) so raznarodovale in še raznarodujejo govorce slovanskih jezikov oz. narečij. Pa tudi standardizirane slovanske »knjižne« jezike države vsiljujejo govorcem narečij in jih uničujejo. Nekdanji mozaik slovanske (v resnici slovenske) podlage po Evropi je najbolj ohranjena na tistih območjih, ki jim nacionalne države niso uspele vsiliti standardiziranega jezika širjenega iz prestolnic. Slovanska narečja so najbolj ohranjena v Sloveniji in okoliških slovensko govorečih predelih v Italiji, Avstriji, na Madžarskem in Hrvaškem. Prav tako tudi med ostanki polabskih Slovanov, med lužiškimi Sorbi in na Moravskem.
- Zanimivo je, da najdemo slovanske značilnosti v anglosaški stari angleščini izpred tisoč let. Na primer v staroangleškem očenašu »Fader Ure« najdemo za kruh besedo »hlaf« kot v slovanskih besedah chleb, hleb, chlieb, chlib itd. (Jandaček 2007). Podobno, če beremo Psalm 23 v stari angleščini (Diamond 1993/2006: Old English Anglo-Saxon Psalm # 23; Jandašček 2007) zveni kot kak slovanski jezik. V tem pogledu je stara angleščina bolj podobna slovanščini, kot sedanja angleščina. Podobno najdemo tudi po priimkih (Rant 2007). Da je starejša oblika nekega jezika bližja slovenskim kot kasnejša ali sedanja oblika so opazili tudi pri sansktu (vedski > klasični > sedanji indijski jeziki (Skulj) in Sharda 2002), etruščanščini (Bor v: Šavli in sod. 1996: 344) ter grščini (Homerjeva > klasična) ( Belčevski 2005a,b). To kaže ob poznavanju »genetskih« podatkov na to, da je bila praslovenščina marsikje po Evropi substratni jezik, v Indiji pa abstraktni.