Good info! An additional thing to keep in mind is the durability of the peg. In my experience the imitation "Y" stakes bend easily, but tube or nail style pegs are much stronger no matter if they are branded or knockoffs.
I agree, the only one I have bent is one of the Y-pegs 😄 and yea, the tube pegs are really strong and i will always have a couple of them with me instead of just Ti-vpegs from now on.
Interesting test - thanks for the effort and for the video ! Once we had a hard time getting our tent blown away in a sandy camp. Would be interesting to see which peg would be the winner in sand.
Thanks and glad you liked it, yea soft and sandy ground is tough and guess a wide and long peg is needed. Interesting test and we’ll see if I can do a similar one for the more special occasions like sand/snow etc in the future!
Well done. A good attempt at quantifying peg forces. Other factors might be ease of use in different soil types, durability, and position on the tent. I use long Easton tubes for high stress ridgelines, and ti shepard hooks elsewhere. The shepard hooks wiggle past stones easily, do not bent excessivly and are durable, and offer the best weight to pull-out-force-ratio en toto.
Thanks 😊 and yes, I was surprised how good the Ti Shepherd hooks where so I understand why you use them and tube stakes are really 👍🏻🙂 you have a well thought out system 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for your video. Very well done. Would be very interesting to compare the test in harder soils. In these ground conditions, my experience is that many of the stakes BEND with force (instead of coming out). Here the quality of the product (given same length) appears to make a difference. I would have thought aluminum density (7070 vs 7075 alloy) would be paramount but my experience has surprised me, with lighter stakes sometimes not bending as much (or maybe the manufacturers do not tell the truth on their product?). Would love to see a good video with this testing measure. Thanks again! :)
Yep more testing is needed for different kind of soils, both harder and softer like sand and such and to take the material in the equation would make it even more interesting but also a lot of work 😅 but we’ll see, if I have the time and the pegs needed why not 👍🏻
Great video, best possible test, thank you for sharing😃👌🏽 Have you ever tried "swiss piranha" pegs? They're the lightest i know so far and incredibly strong in normal/soft grounds. The RT90 and the RT120 are what i'd recommend. For really hard grounds i use the shepherds.
Don’t think it’s that big difference, the idea was then to be used as intended and see the differences. Thinking about doing a follow up video but we’ll see.
Great video! Have you used the original version of the Big Sky stake? The new ones are two pieces and thier tip is riveted to the tube, as shown in this test. They don't seem to be as good quality as the old ones. What's your experience of the new vs old design?
A lot depends on the ground off course, and one can always put a rock on top of necessary. When I slept in the storm two weeks ago I didn’t use any rocks for one night, which was the worst night and all pegs stayed in the ground, all 12. But yeah, one have to be aware of the soil.
Well let’s agree to disagree because that’s in my opinion the right way to do it. Not sure how it could be beneficial to do otherwise and the markings where the guyline sits is clearly on the side that I face away from the tent.
@@madcat1007 i will for sure do that, still strange why they in that case don’t put some markings for the guy lines on that side if that is a better choice.
Hi, did you put all the other V pegs in the same "streamline" mode as the first DAC? I guess that would justify your results. The tip of the V may dig through the soil more easily than the round "tube" one.
Ja det måste nog bli Ti Shepherd Hook, bara 2 kg mindre men hälften i vikt. En av testets stora överraskningar, trodde inte själv den skulle vara så pass bra! 🙂 2.2 kg per gram jämfört med 1.29 på Tube Steak, om jag räknade rätt!
You forgot the most essential thing totake in consideration when it comes to tent pegs: the type of ground... There's an enormous difference between camping on grass, on well used campground, and in the forest. Well used campground have a very hard ground, so you can use smaller tent pegs and they will hold very well. However those same pegs would be a disaster in the woods because the ground is way more soft. The rule of thumb is, the softer the ground, the bigger the pegs you need. Also, the way you did the tests is good for SOME guylines. There are two sets of "attachments" on tents. The main ones near the ground and the guylines which are to be attached higher on the fly (technically, they are all guylines). So using the height of your belly button is giving flawed results. Just take the Hubbe Hubba, one of the biggest seller worldwide and no guyline's anchor points are that high on the tent. Very important: when on rocky ground, then weight has zero importance. I remember a day when the weather wasn't good at all and my tent (and other people's tents) was set on rocky hard ground. I used some beefy BIG metal stakes, then went for a few hours hike. The wind got really, REALLY strong on my way back, and I had some apprehension as to know if my tent would still be ok. It turned out that my tent was the ONLY one who sustained the storm... So always have at least 3 different sets of tent pegs at home and chose carefully when going camping. Here's a pro trick: Get the MSR groundhogs (or similar), or "tube-pencil" style pegs with you. And if a soft ground, or very high wind, just use your knife to carve pegs from a small tree branch. You can then discard them, or better yet, keep them. They will dry overtime and become Ultra Lightweight pegs!... and it's free :) The diameter? About the size of the middle finger. Pro trick #2: If stuck with small UL pegs and you expect high winds or a severe storm. Secure your pegs with rocks. You can even use rocks only and no peg. If the rocks are big enough...
These are all good points, and correct as well. This was just a comparison between the most common pegs on the same type of ground and in this case grass. For me and my hikes I always have the possibility to choose the camp site so I don’t need to pitch on rocky terrain on hard surfaces very often if ever, maybe once or twice I’ve had problems with hard surfaces and then maybe only on one or two pegs for that pitch . So yea, all depends on where you hike and if on a campsites with no other choice or if having the freedom of choice to choose where to pitch. Also the reason for choosing the belly button is for the majority of tents have the extra guy lines attached high up for coping with bad weather. Based on your comment though it’s clear I need to update my old video about “best pegs” and go more into detail. 👍🏻
@@roberthammenrudh Actually, NOT the majority of tents have guy-lines attached that high. Most of the most common MSR, Nemo, Big Agnes, etc.. are barely reaching the height of a belly button, so none of their guy-lines can be that high since none are being attached at the top. As said, the principal guy-lines are the one near the ground. Then you have the additional upper ones. The height you used is not representative of the reality, BUT.... since all were made at the same height, it's not that bad either. All in all it's a good video. Your big mistake was the V and to forget to mention the type of grounds. So yes, a better video with a more in-depth CONTENT would be good. Maybe even two videos....
Nice test, but please reduce the number of «graphical punchlines» in your videos. I find it quite disturbing and annoying, and it’s absolutely unnecessary. Showing figures and relevant numbers / results are great, but please skip plain repetition of your last sentence. Just a friendly advice on how to improve your presentations. Looking forward to new tests👍
Thanks for the advice, always good with feedback how to improve. I have made quite a lot of changes lately so, if you don’t mind please look at one of the later episodes and tell me what you think 🙏🏻 I think I might have corrected some of the things you mentioned. 🙂
@@roberthammenrudh Thanks for your quick and positive reply. I have watched some of your latest videos now, and I agree; they are, in my opinion, much better. Subscribed today. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Oslo :)
Good info! An additional thing to keep in mind is the durability of the peg. In my experience the imitation "Y" stakes bend easily, but tube or nail style pegs are much stronger no matter if they are branded or knockoffs.
I agree, the only one I have bent is one of the Y-pegs 😄 and yea, the tube pegs are really strong and i will always have a couple of them with me instead of just Ti-vpegs from now on.
Interesting test - thanks for the effort and for the video ! Once we had a hard time getting our tent blown away in a sandy camp. Would be interesting to see which peg would be the winner in sand.
Thanks and glad you liked it, yea soft and sandy ground is tough and guess a wide and long peg is needed. Interesting test and we’ll see if I can do a similar one for the more special occasions like sand/snow etc in the future!
Well done. A good attempt at quantifying peg forces. Other factors might be ease of use in different soil types, durability, and position on the tent. I use long Easton tubes for high stress ridgelines, and ti shepard hooks elsewhere. The shepard hooks wiggle past stones easily, do not bent excessivly and are durable, and offer the best weight to pull-out-force-ratio en toto.
Thanks 😊 and yes, I was surprised how good the Ti Shepherd hooks where so I understand why you use them and tube stakes are really 👍🏻🙂 you have a well thought out system 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for your video. Very well done. Would be very interesting to compare the test in harder soils. In these ground conditions, my experience is that many of the stakes BEND with force (instead of coming out). Here the quality of the product (given same length) appears to make a difference. I would have thought aluminum density (7070 vs 7075 alloy) would be paramount but my experience has surprised me, with lighter stakes sometimes not bending as much (or maybe the manufacturers do not tell the truth on their product?). Would love to see a good video with this testing measure. Thanks again! :)
Yep more testing is needed for different kind of soils, both harder and softer like sand and such and to take the material in the equation would make it even more interesting but also a lot of work 😅 but we’ll see, if I have the time and the pegs needed why not 👍🏻
Great video, best possible test, thank you for sharing😃👌🏽
Have you ever tried "swiss piranha" pegs? They're the lightest i know so far and incredibly strong in normal/soft grounds. The RT90 and the RT120 are what i'd recommend.
For really hard grounds i use the shepherds.
I wonder if you turned the v stakes around with the v facing the pulling force if the result would change?
Don’t think it’s that big difference, the idea was then to be used as intended and see the differences. Thinking about doing a follow up video but we’ll see.
I would have One of this Trike.
The MSR Groundhog are the best tent stakes bar none 99% of the time.
MSR Groundhogs for me
I got the minis for my six moon tent 👌
Great video! Have you used the original version of the Big Sky stake? The new ones are two pieces and thier tip is riveted to the tube, as shown in this test. They don't seem to be as good quality as the old ones. What's your experience of the new vs old design?
Thanks 🙂 and no, have only the new ones so can’t compare. I have use them now for like two years and no problem, so durability I believe is fine.
Shocking how little force it takes to pull them out.
A lot depends on the ground off course, and one can always put a rock on top of necessary. When I slept in the storm two weeks ago I didn’t use any rocks for one night, which was the worst night and all pegs stayed in the ground, all 12. But yeah, one have to be aware of the soil.
Did you ever try Swiss Piranha? The 90mm version weighs less than 3g per peg.
Nope I did not, never heard of them but will check them out!
Hey Robert excellent video.
Thanks 🙂
You put the DAC peg in the wrong way round. The tip of the V should point away from the tent, not towards it as you did.
Well let’s agree to disagree because that’s in my opinion the right way to do it. Not sure how it could be beneficial to do otherwise and the markings where the guyline sits is clearly on the side that I face away from the tent.
@@roberthammenrudh Just do some research on you tube. You will find loads of physical tests that prove my point.
@@madcat1007 i will for sure do that, still strange why they in that case don’t put some markings for the guy lines on that side if that is a better choice.
@@roberthammenrudh ua-cam.com/video/su0WatgTOdk/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NatureCallsOutdoors
Hi, did you put all the other V pegs in the same "streamline" mode as the first DAC? I guess that would justify your results. The tip of the V may dig through the soil more easily than the round "tube" one.
Vem hade bäst resultat om man tar med vikten?
Ja det måste nog bli Ti Shepherd Hook, bara 2 kg mindre men hälften i vikt. En av testets stora överraskningar, trodde inte själv den skulle vara så pass bra! 🙂
2.2 kg per gram jämfört med 1.29 på Tube Steak, om jag räknade rätt!
You forgot the most essential thing totake in consideration when it comes to tent pegs: the type of ground... There's an enormous difference between camping on grass, on well used campground, and in the forest. Well used campground have a very hard ground, so you can use smaller tent pegs and they will hold very well. However those same pegs would be a disaster in the woods because the ground is way more soft. The rule of thumb is, the softer the ground, the bigger the pegs you need.
Also, the way you did the tests is good for SOME guylines. There are two sets of "attachments" on tents. The main ones near the ground and the guylines which are to be attached higher on the fly (technically, they are all guylines). So using the height of your belly button is giving flawed results. Just take the Hubbe Hubba, one of the biggest seller worldwide and no guyline's anchor points are that high on the tent.
Very important: when on rocky ground, then weight has zero importance. I remember a day when the weather wasn't good at all and my tent (and other people's tents) was set on rocky hard ground. I used some beefy BIG metal stakes, then went for a few hours hike. The wind got really, REALLY strong on my way back, and I had some apprehension as to know if my tent would still be ok. It turned out that my tent was the ONLY one who sustained the storm... So always have at least 3 different sets of tent pegs at home and chose carefully when going camping.
Here's a pro trick: Get the MSR groundhogs (or similar), or "tube-pencil" style pegs with you. And if a soft ground, or very high wind, just use your knife to carve pegs from a small tree branch. You can then discard them, or better yet, keep them. They will dry overtime and become Ultra Lightweight pegs!... and it's free :) The diameter? About the size of the middle finger.
Pro trick #2: If stuck with small UL pegs and you expect high winds or a severe storm. Secure your pegs with rocks. You can even use rocks only and no peg. If the rocks are big enough...
These are all good points, and correct as well. This was just a comparison between the most common pegs on the same type of ground and in this case grass.
For me and my hikes I always have the possibility to choose the camp site so I don’t need to pitch on rocky terrain on hard surfaces very often if ever, maybe once or twice I’ve had problems with hard surfaces and then maybe only on one or two pegs for that pitch .
So yea, all depends on where you hike and if on a campsites with no other choice or if having the freedom of choice to choose where to pitch.
Also the reason for choosing the belly button is for the majority of tents have the extra guy lines attached high up for coping with bad weather.
Based on your comment though it’s clear I need to update my old video about “best pegs” and go more into detail. 👍🏻
@@roberthammenrudh Actually, NOT the majority of tents have guy-lines attached that high. Most of the most common MSR, Nemo, Big Agnes, etc.. are barely reaching the height of a belly button, so none of their guy-lines can be that high since none are being attached at the top.
As said, the principal guy-lines are the one near the ground. Then you have the additional upper ones. The height you used is not representative of the reality, BUT.... since all were made at the same height, it's not that bad either. All in all it's a good video. Your big mistake was the V and to forget to mention the type of grounds.
So yes, a better video with a more in-depth CONTENT would be good. Maybe even two videos....
Thanks for the info but I would really enjoy the video much more if you stopped the relentless sound effects - pop, ping, woop, ching! arrrrg!
I totally agree… I’ve learned that and devolved further 🙂 I hope you can give my newer videos a second chance and take a look?
@@roberthammenrudh affirmative! Thanks for getting back to me
Vände du dom åt rätt håll? V-peg var fel…
Jag vänder dom åt det håll som tillverkaren tänkt sig dvs så linan vilar/hamnar i den skåran som finns på tältpinnen.
Nice test, but please reduce the number of «graphical punchlines» in your videos. I find it quite disturbing and annoying, and it’s absolutely unnecessary. Showing figures and relevant numbers / results are great, but please skip plain repetition of your last sentence. Just a friendly advice on how to improve your presentations. Looking forward to new tests👍
Thanks for the advice, always good with feedback how to improve. I have made quite a lot of changes lately so, if you don’t mind please look at one of the later episodes and tell me what you think 🙏🏻
I think I might have corrected some of the things you mentioned. 🙂
@@roberthammenrudh Thanks for your quick and positive reply. I have watched some of your latest videos now, and I agree; they are, in my opinion, much better. Subscribed today. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Oslo :)
@@trondnygaard6402 thanks 🙏🏻🙂
I love me some pegging.
With a short tube steak 😂