CLOSER LOOK at Chicago Train Crash

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  • Опубліковано 19 лис 2023
  • Thanks to the National Transportation Safety board, we're getting an up-close look at the collision between a Chicago Transit Authority train and snow clearing machine.
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  • @planebois
    @planebois 6 місяців тому +93

    As a CTA rider, its a pretty nice system apart from the occasional minute or two minute delays. I usually wait no longer than 10 minutes for a train

    • @gtasandman
      @gtasandman 6 місяців тому +6

      After visiting from nyc last month it seemed like a very quick and efficient system. Had no issues traveling across the city.

    • @breakitbreakit9765
      @breakitbreakit9765 6 місяців тому +5

      only a minute or 2 ? thats not long at all! trains run on tight scheduals ha ha ha

    • @MilwaukeeF40C
      @MilwaukeeF40C 6 місяців тому +2

      The smells though!!!

    • @jaydenphilbertmunipals9089
      @jaydenphilbertmunipals9089 6 місяців тому +2

      ​@@MilwaukeeF40Ccome to NYC if you think the smells are bad. I've ridden the CTA and I could actually breahe

    • @ellisjackson336
      @ellisjackson336 6 місяців тому +1

      CTA is pretty good. I ride the L for years

  • @marinablueGS
    @marinablueGS 6 місяців тому +91

    The operator survived that crash? I wonder if he got out of the cab and into the passenger compartment just before the collision.

    • @FrosstyOfficial101
      @FrosstyOfficial101 6 місяців тому +12

      He would’ve run back into the passenger carriages and warned everyone

    • @MilwaukeeF40C
      @MilwaukeeF40C 6 місяців тому +4

      Chicago Transit forum has something about him being pushed through the back of the cab? Leg injury? Unresponsive to communication before the crash?

    • @ianmangham4570
      @ianmangham4570 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@MilwaukeeF40CHe dissappear out of the cab and returns on the walkie talkie only a second before the onboard camera 📷 facing him is squished

    • @imeechie8917
      @imeechie8917 5 місяців тому

      He survived but got ejected from the motorcab

  • @InverhavonRailways
    @InverhavonRailways 6 місяців тому +25

    "Leaves on the line" is a bit of a joke in the UK, but it's a serious problem, which has been known to make trains slide for up to 2 miles beyond their intended stopping location.

    • @WezzRail
      @WezzRail 5 місяців тому +2

      Many people just don't believe it and see it as an excuse, and then blame the driver when something like this happens.

    • @Chucklesrailarchive
      @Chucklesrailarchive 5 місяців тому +2

      Just think about the small amount of contact between a steel wheel and steel rail. Also disc brakes make it all much worse. I know l drove trains for 45 years. (In UK)

  • @Zions_Awesome_YouTube_Show8479
    @Zions_Awesome_YouTube_Show8479 6 місяців тому +14

    Hopeful everyone that was injured make a speedy recovery

  • @andrewh.8403
    @andrewh.8403 6 місяців тому +29

    We had leaves on the rails at one of our terminus stations. An EMU just slid on in, demolishing the toilet block past the end of track. It's amazing that the leaves squash but turn into slippery paste, building up in front of the wheels. Perfect storm really.

    • @1575murray
      @1575murray 6 місяців тому +3

      Leaf buildup in the fall season is a problem for many transit systems worldwide. When the leaves get wet they get ground into a slippery coating which impairs the wheels getting traction. As a result the wheels develop flat spots which damage the rails and have to be repaired by grinding which reduces their useful life. There have been a number of measures taken to prevent this from happening including cutting down trees near the tracks and removing the leaves before they have a chance to cause problems.

    • @ianmangham4570
      @ianmangham4570 5 місяців тому +1

      Deadly, I've been out the last few weeks on my electric mountain bike and thick gooey clumps of leaves stuck together are everywhere

  • @user-te9br5sr8h
    @user-te9br5sr8h 6 місяців тому +9

    I rode 5599 1 day before the accident on the yellow, the next day I saw 5599 again with that run number that crashed on the yellow. I heard like a boom crash sound.

  • @Biker_Gremling
    @Biker_Gremling 6 місяців тому +24

    The NTSB seems to be an unfortunately busy agency.

    • @paulkoza8652
      @paulkoza8652 6 місяців тому

      Why?

    • @thebekmanz
      @thebekmanz 6 місяців тому

      ​@@paulkoza8652accidents all over the country. Max in Portland, the various freight companies, the brightline etc.

    • @thetrainguy1
      @thetrainguy1 6 місяців тому +3

      ​@@paulkoza8652 Crap keeps happening.

    • @unaizilla
      @unaizilla 6 місяців тому

      ​@@paulkoza8652 accidents happen far too often

    • @QuadMochaMatti
      @QuadMochaMatti 6 місяців тому +2

      @@paulkoza8652 The constant dysfunction of Norfolk Southern.

  • @MatthewM-yx5ob
    @MatthewM-yx5ob 6 місяців тому +9

    That snow fighter train must be built like a tank to take that hit from a CTA train glad everyone was not seriously injured 🙂

    • @MilwaukeeF40C
      @MilwaukeeF40C 6 місяців тому +1

      The snow machine is old. Around since at least the early 80s and is a custom design with unique parts. It looks like the cab is dented and window broken which means the brush dolly must have been pushed in to it in a way it wasn't designed to move. There is probably damage to the hydraulic, mechanical, and bracing parts of the brush machine. It may be way beyond Skokie's ability to repair.

  • @BigRobChicagoPL
    @BigRobChicagoPL 6 місяців тому +3

    I commute to rogers park every day and often pass the howard station / L yard in rogers park. I noticed these past couple days that the yellow line was not running and that yellow line busses were taking people down howard instead. I thought there was just maintenance being done, but did not expect this!

  • @sweynforkbeardtraindude
    @sweynforkbeardtraindude 6 місяців тому +12

    As usual, you have put out a quality video! Thanks.

  • @jeeper360
    @jeeper360 6 місяців тому +7

    Why are they focused on stopping distance instead of why they were on the same track?

  • @DanHPage
    @DanHPage 6 місяців тому +12

    Charlie, thanks for this short update. You make a good point about how leaves mix with oil and grease on the tracks this time of year. Nice work. Dan Page

  • @wideslammer
    @wideslammer 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for the update.

  • @ArtStoneUS
    @ArtStoneUS 6 місяців тому +3

    But the elephant in the room is how did the operator not know that there was a piece of equipment standing still on the track?

  • @tannerrobinson5110
    @tannerrobinson5110 6 місяців тому +9

    Thanks for the information! Now if i knew why a Metro Transit (Minneapolis-St. Paul) Green Line train derailed in downtown Minneapolis, I'd let you know. Word has it that it hit a chuck of concrete that was sitting in the middle of the track. It did not cause issues until the last car went over it and it lifted the car off the rails. It took about 2 hours and two rotators to lift the train and grt it back on the rails.

    • @markroderick3300
      @markroderick3300 6 місяців тому

      you mean a chunk of concrete not chuck right

    • @btr4yd
      @btr4yd 5 місяців тому

      ​@@markroderick3300obviously

  • @destinypowers1146
    @destinypowers1146 6 місяців тому +5

    i have ridden cta over 14 years and I'm not letting this stop me. concerns sure I do... but cta is my only way to appts. its like having wreck or bucked off horse or fball player injury are they going stop because something happened.... no they not

  • @stevendorris5713
    @stevendorris5713 6 місяців тому +8

    The peanut sat on the RR track,
    It's heart was all a flutter...
    CTA came speeding down the track,
    Now we have peanut butter.

  • @rscellartrains734
    @rscellartrains734 6 місяців тому +6

    I dont have that issue when I run my trains full throttle to stop. Then again, mine has a giant hand to come move stuff out the way when stopping

  • @mikeingeorgia1
    @mikeingeorgia1 6 місяців тому +4

    Did I understand correctly that they run on signals? Where was his last signal and what was it’s indication?

    • @imeechie8917
      @imeechie8917 5 місяців тому

      The snow plow ahead is a diesel equipment it doesn’t have an act systems that allow trains to detect red signals and other trains ahead. So the operator had no way of knowing, he only had an indication of a red signal ahead. How I know I’m a Yellow line operator

  • @NontasK
    @NontasK 6 місяців тому

    A similar accident in line 1 athens metro network, we had Almost 2 years ago, between Attiki-Agios Nikolaos stations.

  • @reddog-ex4dx
    @reddog-ex4dx 6 місяців тому +1

    I saw the B video but I didn't notice the damage to the frame. That was a lot of force to bend that thick slab of steel!

  • @mijicalmagiemance8014
    @mijicalmagiemance8014 6 місяців тому +1

    That was a big impact

  • @kysfinest
    @kysfinest 5 місяців тому

    Why did they leave the snow plow machine on the track?

  • @toddclean547
    @toddclean547 6 місяців тому

    Was the snow machine not damaged?

  • @adamauxier4035
    @adamauxier4035 6 місяців тому

    The way the cars , it appears the collision posts are behind the operator?

  • @jayell1761
    @jayell1761 6 місяців тому +2

    Did the train operator survive??

  • @OddsandEnds
    @OddsandEnds 6 місяців тому

    look at the PDX streetcar and MAX (LRT) collision it happened like a week ago

  • @Kr0nicDragon
    @Kr0nicDragon 6 місяців тому

    What if you put 2 little blowers at the front of the train that’s constantly on to blow away any leaves/debris off the track’s as the train runs? Is that not a thing?

    • @ohboy2592
      @ohboy2592 6 місяців тому

      It is on diesel electrics for clearing light anow

  • @metra167productions
    @metra167productions 6 місяців тому +3

    Oh no not Chicago

  • @AstroKnight187
    @AstroKnight187 6 місяців тому +6

    Why was a piece of snow clearing equipment on the main line?

    • @wknogl2210
      @wknogl2210 6 місяців тому +10

      Training crew before winter starts

    • @paulkoza8652
      @paulkoza8652 6 місяців тому

      @@wknogl2210 Yeah, right!

    • @ligmasack9038
      @ligmasack9038 6 місяців тому

      the better question would be why did the dipsh*t driving the Train not PAY ATTENTION, and why were they going at speeds in excess of what the Conditions allowed for; 🤡

  • @rickchapman9232
    @rickchapman9232 6 місяців тому +8

    If the operator knew about the workers and the possibility of slick tracks the operator should have slowed down sooner and increased the stopping distance.

  • @RaisedLetter
    @RaisedLetter 5 місяців тому

    Note how the crumple zone is the cab. All the more reason that the drivers get it right in all conditions.

  • @jaydenphilbertmunipals9089
    @jaydenphilbertmunipals9089 6 місяців тому

    Will they keep the car that didnt get damaged in the married pair?

  • @valuetraveler2026
    @valuetraveler2026 6 місяців тому

    wait so something big and heavy was on the line and the train crashed into it?

  • @Bassotronics
    @Bassotronics 6 місяців тому

    At least the bottom frame hold up. The Washington DC Subway trains are made of paper.

  • @paulkoza8652
    @paulkoza8652 6 місяців тому +1

    Coulda, woulda, shoulda. I predict nothing will become of this. Why was the equipment on the main like of the El?

  • @imeechie8917
    @imeechie8917 5 місяців тому

    First off that yellow line rail car didn’t detect the snow plow ahead because it isn’t equipped with an automatic train control system. That yellow line train operated normal it only detected the red signal ahead it did not detect the snow plow ahead. The snow plow was supposed to have 4 normal rail cars attached to it so the act can pick up other trains ahead and train behind it can get up the signal also. The reason the yellow line train didn’t stop in time because it came off a curve doing about mph which is enough time to stop at the red signal. The operator did everything he was supposed to do the snow plow was at fault.

  • @robertlunderwood
    @robertlunderwood 6 місяців тому

    And there goes any chance of ATO being reinstated on WMATA.

  • @kevinhoward9593
    @kevinhoward9593 6 місяців тому +2

    arent their grab arms at signals that are up if a signal is red and activates the brakes from the outside of the train if the train goes past it? Another question they need to ask is why is there a snow removal car on the track when there isn't even a single trace of snow anywhere? 2:12 I'm guessing because the MOW truck isn't in contact with the third rail, the PTC couldn't see it?

    • @Millsy852
      @Millsy852 6 місяців тому +1

      CTA doesn't have ptc on all trains. i'm sure they don't have it on 90% of their equipment

    • @gtasandman
      @gtasandman 6 місяців тому +3

      Watch the video again they said the safety system was functional and working, they train just didn't have enough space to stop and also might have been worse because of the leaves on the track.

    • @ghost307
      @ghost307 6 місяців тому +1

      The snow car was being used to train the workers.

    • @Millsy852
      @Millsy852 6 місяців тому

      @@gtasandman they use a different system than ptc

    • @MA-wq2ih
      @MA-wq2ih 6 місяців тому +2

      There are trip arms at lineside signals. It looks to me like the snowplow was stopped waiting for the inbound home signal, and the live service train came in behind it. Not an unusual situation, even with regular service trains.
      The snowplow was on a test and training run, nonrevenue moves like that happen all the time without incident.

  • @canadianred6937
    @canadianred6937 6 місяців тому

    The front of that train look like SpiderMan was preventing it from going off track

  • @RelaxingMusic-gp3st
    @RelaxingMusic-gp3st 6 місяців тому +1

    Pretty sure the issue is that there was a machine on a LIVE RAIL! Of course Operator isn’t gonna have time to a full stop & avoid a collision if the Operator’s field of view around a curve is obscured. Who was the genius that planned this training on that Snow Clearing machine while a LIVE Track (same track to add insult to literal injury) whilst simultaneously thinking it was a great idea? 🙄

  • @JoeyMBrooklyn
    @JoeyMBrooklyn 6 місяців тому +1

    It’s 475 all over again.

  • @nctdcarailfan4373
    @nctdcarailfan4373 6 місяців тому

    Woah

  • @quincexl1279
    @quincexl1279 6 місяців тому +1

    Car 5600 is going to need a new mate soon.

  • @misterjeffa2128
    @misterjeffa2128 6 місяців тому

    wow did they forget any crash structures on that train?

  • @ozgreen2843
    @ozgreen2843 6 місяців тому

    Human Error. Dispatcher messed up. I've had a snowtrain on the same line ahead clearing the way BUT dispatch makes sure they are at least two stations ahead. Also, the ATC needs to be adjusted.

  • @Bassotronics
    @Bassotronics 6 місяців тому

    1780 feet of stopping distance is good enough for a subway train which has brakes and motors on all cars. Even going 50mph and going into emergency is a good safe distance. Now if it’s a freight train, 2000 feet and above is obviously required.

  • @jorgeantinio7538
    @jorgeantinio7538 6 місяців тому +1

    Is that a 7000 cta

    • @dankyfrankie290
      @dankyfrankie290 6 місяців тому +1

      It’s a 5000 series train car

    • @JohnGeorgeBauerBuis
      @JohnGeorgeBauerBuis 6 місяців тому

      New 5000 series to be precise, the original 5000s were PCC three segment articulated cars, and there were only 4 of them built.

    • @jorgeantinio7538
      @jorgeantinio7538 6 місяців тому

      Okeh

  • @3800sTrainsInMotion
    @3800sTrainsInMotion 6 місяців тому +1

    Uh oh.

  • @UQRXD
    @UQRXD 6 місяців тому

    Very much missing from report. I have about 5 questions.

  • @F40M07
    @F40M07 6 місяців тому +16

    Another. Day. Another. Derailment. (I know it’s not a derailment but still)

  • @destinypowers1146
    @destinypowers1146 6 місяців тому +1

    what i like to know... iu there was signs up about the training and not use the track, and if that be way it was ... then why did he take train and passengers anyway? I'm not trying start rumors. like everyone else looking for the facts. i almost boarded that train and thankfully I didnt

  • @luislaplume8261
    @luislaplume8261 6 місяців тому +1

    How about using the 3 color track signals that are used by the subways in Philadelphia and NYC? They do work in both cities.

  • @kysfinest
    @kysfinest 5 місяців тому

    Was the train operator killed?

  • @jeffreysmith85
    @jeffreysmith85 6 місяців тому

    15 mph for howard interlocking

  • @SegaDisneyUniverse
    @SegaDisneyUniverse 6 місяців тому

    I don't know...if I were one of those passengers that experienced an accident like that, I'd be too traumatized to take a train again. I'd just take an Uber.😅

  • @AquaXpressLLC
    @AquaXpressLLC 6 місяців тому

    That car must be total

  • @caedenpierce275
    @caedenpierce275 6 місяців тому

    Crazy accident

  • @davidballoid2118
    @davidballoid2118 6 місяців тому +2

    My Question would be, Why was the M.O.W. and Equipment practicing on live rails in the first place ? You practice on a Spur Lines or Siding, not on live lines ! 😠😡🤬🚫🤡🔨🔨🔨🔨

    • @MA-wq2ih
      @MA-wq2ih 6 місяців тому +1

      Nonrevenue moves like this happen all the time. The dispatcher issues authority for the nonrevenue train to enter the route *after* a designated live train passes, and since that goes out over the radio, the next live train behind it needs to be aware that there's an unscheduled train ahead of them.

  • @blakemcnamara9105
    @blakemcnamara9105 6 місяців тому

    An old-fashioned automatic block system probably would've prevented that.

    • @MilwaukeeF40C
      @MilwaukeeF40C 6 місяців тому

      They sort of have that.

    • @daveb0789
      @daveb0789 6 місяців тому

      Does the block system stop the train if the wheels start sliding?

  • @Railroadfan5383
    @Railroadfan5383 6 місяців тому +1

    There's a very important detail that should be said here, the brakes on CTA cars are not applied to the wheels, but rather to the top of the rail. So that strongly suggests that leaves would pause the train to slip and slide pretty far

  • @pi-sx3mb
    @pi-sx3mb 6 місяців тому +2

    "I have no safety concerns about taking the train" said the Mayor of Amity.

  • @trainskid2014
    @trainskid2014 6 місяців тому

    I hope everybody’s okay in Chicago colliding with a snow cleaning equipment?

  • @SoundFX09
    @SoundFX09 6 місяців тому +5

    So Human Error looks to likely be the culprit in this Crash.
    There'd better be some accountability in this Incident, but I'm not expecting it.

  • @troybellamy4615
    @troybellamy4615 6 місяців тому +1

    They keep focusing on the line of sight stopping distance and the fact the snow plow was in the right location! Signal respacing is nothing new as NYC's system had a similar issue in the late 90s where speeds were reduced due to the heavier rolling stock mated with an older signaling system! The question nobody has answered though was why stationary training was being conducted on in- service tracks! That is the main question that needs to be answered! Id imagine the system should have issued a limited speed display for the outbound L train! That clearly wasn't given

  • @s0nnyburnett
    @s0nnyburnett 6 місяців тому +1

    NTSB chair lady sounds absolutely clueless.

  • @royjennings4781
    @royjennings4781 6 місяців тому

    Give me a brake what the ////.

  • @CrazyPetez
    @CrazyPetez 6 місяців тому

    The NTSB staff of “inspectors” look like a bunch of know-nothings the way they are miling around.

  • @_mynewcareer
    @_mynewcareer 6 місяців тому +5

    This woman sounds like she doesnt know what shes talking about

    • @s0nnyburnett
      @s0nnyburnett 6 місяців тому +1

      my thoughts exactly

    • @Qboro66
      @Qboro66 6 місяців тому

      Because she's NTSB and not CTA personnel...

  • @BottomLin3Op
    @BottomLin3Op 6 місяців тому

    Those tracks had oil or something slick on them, and bet it came from the diesel snow train. Any residue on the tracks will affect braking.

  • @albertcarello619
    @albertcarello619 6 місяців тому

    I'm surprised that the snow plow maintenance train is diesel powered and not 3rd rail electric.

  • @1186wolf
    @1186wolf 6 місяців тому +1

    I would of not rely on a Computer to stopped a train well they did and the computer didn't realize it was not moving I sure many car accidents are computer related.

    • @afroabroad
      @afroabroad 6 місяців тому +3

      Wait. There are entire subway systems that are completely automated with computers. They have fewer accidents than systems that have human drivers.

    • @Southwest_923WR
      @Southwest_923WR 6 місяців тому +1

      What did he say???

    • @1186wolf
      @1186wolf 6 місяців тому

      @@afroabroad Correct But if you look into TESLER and what going on in China as well as many US accidents will be computer related. Look in to it it's true!

    • @JoebDragon
      @JoebDragon 6 місяців тому

      The lever you have pulled, "Brakes," is no longer in service. Please make a note of it.

    • @ozgreen2843
      @ozgreen2843 6 місяців тому

      At the Port Authority, we use ATC since the 60's. It will start/stop, accelerate/decelerate the train w/ me just opening/closing doors. It's actually safer than human operation

  • @kens.3729
    @kens.3729 6 місяців тому +2

    So they’re Saying the Multi-Billion Dollar Positive Train Control (PTC) Failed Miserably ? That shouldn’t give any of us any reassurances of Safer Rail Travel🤔👎

    • @dynasty0019
      @dynasty0019 6 місяців тому

      PTC is not required on metro systems like the Chicago "El".

  • @RealTylerBell
    @RealTylerBell 6 місяців тому +4

    she paid to say that,

    • @wrrail
      @wrrail 6 місяців тому +2

      ok

  • @lesterlattig
    @lesterlattig 6 місяців тому +2

    Another government employee uniquely unqualified for her job.

  • @kennethjohnson4280
    @kennethjohnson4280 6 місяців тому +1

    Found your first problem. Jennifer Holliday. This incompetent woman has no business whatsoever being in the position she is in. I'm shocked she even knows what a train is.

  • @povertyspec9651
    @povertyspec9651 6 місяців тому

    Trains are obsolete. Need more freeways, like I-494 which was never built.

  • @ResidentOfTheAbyss
    @ResidentOfTheAbyss 6 місяців тому +6

    More than likely a person of diversity that caused this.