CLOSER LOOK at Chicago Train Crash
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2023
- Thanks to the National Transportation Safety board, we're getting an up-close look at the collision between a Chicago Transit Authority train and snow clearing machine.
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As a CTA rider, its a pretty nice system apart from the occasional minute or two minute delays. I usually wait no longer than 10 minutes for a train
After visiting from nyc last month it seemed like a very quick and efficient system. Had no issues traveling across the city.
only a minute or 2 ? thats not long at all! trains run on tight scheduals ha ha ha
The smells though!!!
@@MilwaukeeF40Ccome to NYC if you think the smells are bad. I've ridden the CTA and I could actually breahe
CTA is pretty good. I ride the L for years
The operator survived that crash? I wonder if he got out of the cab and into the passenger compartment just before the collision.
He would’ve run back into the passenger carriages and warned everyone
Chicago Transit forum has something about him being pushed through the back of the cab? Leg injury? Unresponsive to communication before the crash?
@@MilwaukeeF40CHe dissappear out of the cab and returns on the walkie talkie only a second before the onboard camera 📷 facing him is squished
He survived but got ejected from the motorcab
"Leaves on the line" is a bit of a joke in the UK, but it's a serious problem, which has been known to make trains slide for up to 2 miles beyond their intended stopping location.
Many people just don't believe it and see it as an excuse, and then blame the driver when something like this happens.
Just think about the small amount of contact between a steel wheel and steel rail. Also disc brakes make it all much worse. I know l drove trains for 45 years. (In UK)
Hopeful everyone that was injured make a speedy recovery
We had leaves on the rails at one of our terminus stations. An EMU just slid on in, demolishing the toilet block past the end of track. It's amazing that the leaves squash but turn into slippery paste, building up in front of the wheels. Perfect storm really.
Leaf buildup in the fall season is a problem for many transit systems worldwide. When the leaves get wet they get ground into a slippery coating which impairs the wheels getting traction. As a result the wheels develop flat spots which damage the rails and have to be repaired by grinding which reduces their useful life. There have been a number of measures taken to prevent this from happening including cutting down trees near the tracks and removing the leaves before they have a chance to cause problems.
Deadly, I've been out the last few weeks on my electric mountain bike and thick gooey clumps of leaves stuck together are everywhere
I rode 5599 1 day before the accident on the yellow, the next day I saw 5599 again with that run number that crashed on the yellow. I heard like a boom crash sound.
The NTSB seems to be an unfortunately busy agency.
Why?
@@paulkoza8652accidents all over the country. Max in Portland, the various freight companies, the brightline etc.
@@paulkoza8652 Crap keeps happening.
@@paulkoza8652 accidents happen far too often
@@paulkoza8652 The constant dysfunction of Norfolk Southern.
That snow fighter train must be built like a tank to take that hit from a CTA train glad everyone was not seriously injured 🙂
The snow machine is old. Around since at least the early 80s and is a custom design with unique parts. It looks like the cab is dented and window broken which means the brush dolly must have been pushed in to it in a way it wasn't designed to move. There is probably damage to the hydraulic, mechanical, and bracing parts of the brush machine. It may be way beyond Skokie's ability to repair.
I commute to rogers park every day and often pass the howard station / L yard in rogers park. I noticed these past couple days that the yellow line was not running and that yellow line busses were taking people down howard instead. I thought there was just maintenance being done, but did not expect this!
As usual, you have put out a quality video! Thanks.
Thank you!
Why are they focused on stopping distance instead of why they were on the same track?
Charlie, thanks for this short update. You make a good point about how leaves mix with oil and grease on the tracks this time of year. Nice work. Dan Page
Thanks Dan!
Thanks for the update.
But the elephant in the room is how did the operator not know that there was a piece of equipment standing still on the track?
Thanks for the information! Now if i knew why a Metro Transit (Minneapolis-St. Paul) Green Line train derailed in downtown Minneapolis, I'd let you know. Word has it that it hit a chuck of concrete that was sitting in the middle of the track. It did not cause issues until the last car went over it and it lifted the car off the rails. It took about 2 hours and two rotators to lift the train and grt it back on the rails.
you mean a chunk of concrete not chuck right
@@markroderick3300obviously
i have ridden cta over 14 years and I'm not letting this stop me. concerns sure I do... but cta is my only way to appts. its like having wreck or bucked off horse or fball player injury are they going stop because something happened.... no they not
The peanut sat on the RR track,
It's heart was all a flutter...
CTA came speeding down the track,
Now we have peanut butter.
I dont have that issue when I run my trains full throttle to stop. Then again, mine has a giant hand to come move stuff out the way when stopping
😂
Did I understand correctly that they run on signals? Where was his last signal and what was it’s indication?
The snow plow ahead is a diesel equipment it doesn’t have an act systems that allow trains to detect red signals and other trains ahead. So the operator had no way of knowing, he only had an indication of a red signal ahead. How I know I’m a Yellow line operator
A similar accident in line 1 athens metro network, we had Almost 2 years ago, between Attiki-Agios Nikolaos stations.
I saw the B video but I didn't notice the damage to the frame. That was a lot of force to bend that thick slab of steel!
That was a big impact
Why did they leave the snow plow machine on the track?
Was the snow machine not damaged?
The way the cars , it appears the collision posts are behind the operator?
Did the train operator survive??
look at the PDX streetcar and MAX (LRT) collision it happened like a week ago
What if you put 2 little blowers at the front of the train that’s constantly on to blow away any leaves/debris off the track’s as the train runs? Is that not a thing?
It is on diesel electrics for clearing light anow
Oh no not Chicago
Why was a piece of snow clearing equipment on the main line?
Training crew before winter starts
@@wknogl2210 Yeah, right!
the better question would be why did the dipsh*t driving the Train not PAY ATTENTION, and why were they going at speeds in excess of what the Conditions allowed for; 🤡
If the operator knew about the workers and the possibility of slick tracks the operator should have slowed down sooner and increased the stopping distance.
Note how the crumple zone is the cab. All the more reason that the drivers get it right in all conditions.
Will they keep the car that didnt get damaged in the married pair?
wait so something big and heavy was on the line and the train crashed into it?
At least the bottom frame hold up. The Washington DC Subway trains are made of paper.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. I predict nothing will become of this. Why was the equipment on the main like of the El?
First off that yellow line rail car didn’t detect the snow plow ahead because it isn’t equipped with an automatic train control system. That yellow line train operated normal it only detected the red signal ahead it did not detect the snow plow ahead. The snow plow was supposed to have 4 normal rail cars attached to it so the act can pick up other trains ahead and train behind it can get up the signal also. The reason the yellow line train didn’t stop in time because it came off a curve doing about mph which is enough time to stop at the red signal. The operator did everything he was supposed to do the snow plow was at fault.
And there goes any chance of ATO being reinstated on WMATA.
arent their grab arms at signals that are up if a signal is red and activates the brakes from the outside of the train if the train goes past it? Another question they need to ask is why is there a snow removal car on the track when there isn't even a single trace of snow anywhere? 2:12 I'm guessing because the MOW truck isn't in contact with the third rail, the PTC couldn't see it?
CTA doesn't have ptc on all trains. i'm sure they don't have it on 90% of their equipment
Watch the video again they said the safety system was functional and working, they train just didn't have enough space to stop and also might have been worse because of the leaves on the track.
The snow car was being used to train the workers.
@@gtasandman they use a different system than ptc
There are trip arms at lineside signals. It looks to me like the snowplow was stopped waiting for the inbound home signal, and the live service train came in behind it. Not an unusual situation, even with regular service trains.
The snowplow was on a test and training run, nonrevenue moves like that happen all the time without incident.
The front of that train look like SpiderMan was preventing it from going off track
Pretty sure the issue is that there was a machine on a LIVE RAIL! Of course Operator isn’t gonna have time to a full stop & avoid a collision if the Operator’s field of view around a curve is obscured. Who was the genius that planned this training on that Snow Clearing machine while a LIVE Track (same track to add insult to literal injury) whilst simultaneously thinking it was a great idea? 🙄
It’s 475 all over again.
Woah
Car 5600 is going to need a new mate soon.
wow did they forget any crash structures on that train?
Human Error. Dispatcher messed up. I've had a snowtrain on the same line ahead clearing the way BUT dispatch makes sure they are at least two stations ahead. Also, the ATC needs to be adjusted.
1780 feet of stopping distance is good enough for a subway train which has brakes and motors on all cars. Even going 50mph and going into emergency is a good safe distance. Now if it’s a freight train, 2000 feet and above is obviously required.
Is that a 7000 cta
It’s a 5000 series train car
New 5000 series to be precise, the original 5000s were PCC three segment articulated cars, and there were only 4 of them built.
Okeh
Uh oh.
Very much missing from report. I have about 5 questions.
Another. Day. Another. Derailment. (I know it’s not a derailment but still)
Ikr
Another day another kind-of-but-not-really-but-close-enough-to-a-derailment derailment.
@@weylinwest9505nice
what i like to know... iu there was signs up about the training and not use the track, and if that be way it was ... then why did he take train and passengers anyway? I'm not trying start rumors. like everyone else looking for the facts. i almost boarded that train and thankfully I didnt
How about using the 3 color track signals that are used by the subways in Philadelphia and NYC? They do work in both cities.
Was the train operator killed?
15 mph for howard interlocking
I don't know...if I were one of those passengers that experienced an accident like that, I'd be too traumatized to take a train again. I'd just take an Uber.😅
That car must be total
Crazy accident
My Question would be, Why was the M.O.W. and Equipment practicing on live rails in the first place ? You practice on a Spur Lines or Siding, not on live lines ! 😠😡🤬🚫🤡🔨🔨🔨🔨
Nonrevenue moves like this happen all the time. The dispatcher issues authority for the nonrevenue train to enter the route *after* a designated live train passes, and since that goes out over the radio, the next live train behind it needs to be aware that there's an unscheduled train ahead of them.
An old-fashioned automatic block system probably would've prevented that.
They sort of have that.
Does the block system stop the train if the wheels start sliding?
There's a very important detail that should be said here, the brakes on CTA cars are not applied to the wheels, but rather to the top of the rail. So that strongly suggests that leaves would pause the train to slip and slide pretty far
"I have no safety concerns about taking the train" said the Mayor of Amity.
I hope everybody’s okay in Chicago colliding with a snow cleaning equipment?
So Human Error looks to likely be the culprit in this Crash.
There'd better be some accountability in this Incident, but I'm not expecting it.
They keep focusing on the line of sight stopping distance and the fact the snow plow was in the right location! Signal respacing is nothing new as NYC's system had a similar issue in the late 90s where speeds were reduced due to the heavier rolling stock mated with an older signaling system! The question nobody has answered though was why stationary training was being conducted on in- service tracks! That is the main question that needs to be answered! Id imagine the system should have issued a limited speed display for the outbound L train! That clearly wasn't given
That was the big question for me too, why was this machine on an in service track.
NTSB chair lady sounds absolutely clueless.
Give me a brake what the ////.
The NTSB staff of “inspectors” look like a bunch of know-nothings the way they are miling around.
This woman sounds like she doesnt know what shes talking about
my thoughts exactly
Because she's NTSB and not CTA personnel...
Those tracks had oil or something slick on them, and bet it came from the diesel snow train. Any residue on the tracks will affect braking.
I'm surprised that the snow plow maintenance train is diesel powered and not 3rd rail electric.
I would of not rely on a Computer to stopped a train well they did and the computer didn't realize it was not moving I sure many car accidents are computer related.
Wait. There are entire subway systems that are completely automated with computers. They have fewer accidents than systems that have human drivers.
What did he say???
@@afroabroad Correct But if you look into TESLER and what going on in China as well as many US accidents will be computer related. Look in to it it's true!
The lever you have pulled, "Brakes," is no longer in service. Please make a note of it.
At the Port Authority, we use ATC since the 60's. It will start/stop, accelerate/decelerate the train w/ me just opening/closing doors. It's actually safer than human operation
So they’re Saying the Multi-Billion Dollar Positive Train Control (PTC) Failed Miserably ? That shouldn’t give any of us any reassurances of Safer Rail Travel🤔👎
PTC is not required on metro systems like the Chicago "El".
she paid to say that,
ok
Another government employee uniquely unqualified for her job.
Found your first problem. Jennifer Holliday. This incompetent woman has no business whatsoever being in the position she is in. I'm shocked she even knows what a train is.
Trains are obsolete. Need more freeways, like I-494 which was never built.
More than likely a person of diversity that caused this.
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