The WORST Interview in Warhammer.
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Neil Hollis caused a lot of controvesry at the Adepticon Golden Demon as he produced a fantastic miniature, but then resorted to using AI Imagery for the "backdrop. A lot of people were quite annoyed at the whole situation, but neil just tried to use AI to respond to the backlash. THis is the first time he's come out and spoke about the whole thing on The Painting Phase....
It's not good.
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REMEMBER: this is just a discussion, keep your thoughts in the comments here, dont take them to anyone mentioned in the video. Taking them away from here or trying to defend me or argue for me is CRINGE.
"I put a filter on it" is like Vanilla Ice saying "I added a note"
You know he won that case right?
@@DefaultProphet Actually, he didn't. It was settled out of court with Ice paying $4million to Queen and adding their names as writers to the song.
@@The_Rising_Ape huh. TIL. Maybe Mandela Effect’d lol
I still stand by my statement in the live chat.
If he had shown a single iota of regret or admitted he was wrong to do it, apologised and voluntarily stepped out of the competition then I might’ve listened to his side and had some sympathy for him, but thats not what he did now is it? No he went on and gloated. He called those who disagreed with him “virgins” and put down his competitors……AFTER showing the Lazarus model and admitting he entered this same model on a different base to win two categories after stating that this isn’t allowed and yet he sat there gloating and openly admitting to cheating in a competition because “the judges didn’t catch me”………..the dude should have his trophies taken off him, he should be banned from future competitions and deserves the hate he gets, his whole attitude is wrong and all this interview did was give him an open platform to spew his nonsense, defend AI and then openly admit to twisting the rules to his favour whilst making fun of those who may put a bit of effort in and put some importance on a competition like this and disagree with him using Ai……..not only did he admit to doing something wrong, he doubled down when challenged……because of this he should be punished, harshly.
I know I sound ranty but I was disqualified from this competition for a simple change to a model I made because of a poor sculpt on gw’s behalf, unlike this idiot I explained what the change was and who made it and accepted the disqualification based on my own actions…..just makes me mad that this guy couldn’t give the same courtesy to this competition.
I really thought painting phase would stay in my rotation after Peach left but i haven't been able to finish an episode since
Same here. ;)
I lost it when Jeff misunderstood what a transformative work is
My favorite bullshit from guys who know they're being scum is when they use the double talk of: "people haven't yelled at me in person so they can't be too mad" while also going "everyone who yells at me online is just an angry virgin"
Too true. Online people aren’t real they’re just chat gpt virgin reply bots
Using “virgin” as a derogatory term is not only incredibly moronic, as if not being one makes one’s opinion more valuable, but it is grossly insensitive, specifically to our younger hobbyists.
Exploring art is normal (ai or otherwise) but exploiting loopholes for fame, for compensation of any measure, is disingenuous.
Strip the title, actual artists need it back.
Surely saying @thepaintingphase "are one of the largest creators in the UK" should've had asterisk followed by "(before Peachy left)". A few months ago I'm sure they would'nt have been pro-AI in tournaments but now, having seen their viewership drop by 75%, I guess they'll take any controversial guest who might get people to tune in to a video.
Happy to learn that as a 36 year old father, I have today become a virgin due to my views. Peak 2024
Having kids as a virgin is pretty cringe ngl
You're goiung toi have to rename at least one of your kids Jesus now.
Having a second change at school romance at 36!
The weirdest part for me - is entering "art" that you did not create into an art competition. Not only that, but it's a painting competition, and he's using a background printed off an ink jet - why was it allowed to be included, and why wasn't he disqualified?
Using an AI prompt is not creating art.
I think there’s a really valuable discussion about golden demon using things that aren’t painted or designed by the entrant.
This wasn’t it
Hopefully the benefit of it being entered means that it will be written into the rules that it can’t be used next year. You can’t steal art work from AI it’s like saying you stole the art from the brush that painted it. AI isn’t a living entity. But I agree it’s not painting
Bottom line here is he ignored the spirit of the competition, wich is artistic effort to produce art with painting skills. The backdrop may not be ruled up to specify self made with paint, but for the purpose of competing it should be understood.
Anyone who starts an argument or point of view by claiming the other side consists of virgins is either twelve or never worth listening to, usually about anything tbh. I think I’m most disappointed in Jeff though, I’m sorry but what a completely idiotic take about art. Being inspired by something and imitating it, still ends up being completely dependent on your skills and abilities as an artist. Was he hoping his guest would share his next ai generated gold daemon award with him?
It is a disqualifiable offence in Golden Daemon to enter a model that you paid to have professionally painted. This should come under the same category. He had someone (something) else create the work for part of the piece, making it not a wholly original piece made by him, therefore eligible for disqualification.
The thing about the "background" argument is that while the sentence doesn't literally mean the "Capital B Background image" it DOES absolutely mean the parts of the piece that set the story and provide the lowercase b "background" and world building are a component of the judging.
Golden demon doesn't let you submit a novel along with your piece that the judges must read, the storytelling is done via the Medium, including the basing and the plinth and yes a Background Image if you put a backdrop behind the model to place it in a specific setting.
There's so many ways he could have come out and addressed this.
He chose the worst one
No way i could sit through the interview with those three stooges. Great coverage dude, nice one 👍
"Its so hard to generate with AI and I could've done it myself faster and easier anyway."
...then why do it? It sounds like he knew it would generate controversy and get him attention, and that was the driving factor.
Not to mention, it would have been more "pure" had he just painted what he wanted in the first place.
The only thing worse than using AI in the first place is trying to legitimize it with "No, it's actually really hard to do! Prompting takes a lot of SKILL not many people have!" It's pathetic. I remember back in the day when digital artitsts used to get shit on, accused of having the "computer do all the work for you" as if you just click buttons and the art gets made, when you're really just using a pen to draw on a pad not too unlike a traditional artist. The only thing easier about it is you can undo mistakes. That same type of person now is falling for AI even though it LITERALLY IS telling a computer to make art for you.
he demonstrated plenty of skill with the brush, perhaps he also wanted to show his skill with some other new cool tools.
Yeah, sure, he did, which is why no one knew it was AI, including the judges, until after he won. He was proud of his AI "skill" and couldn't help showing it off and telling everyone about it.
It's really telling how everyone and everything to do with AI seems to be deeply rooted in deception. Lying about how the AI is trained, lying about how useful it's going to be or how helpful it can be to artists ("streamlining your workflow" when it takes hours to generate a simple background you could have just painted yourself in the time it took to generate, or less even), lying about the environmental impact and the insane amount of energy required to generate a single prompt, lying about using it in the first place (going as far as trying to fake WIP images to legitimize the work), lying about copyright and legality issues, lies, lies, lies, until they get tired of lying and defending their lies, then they just throw up their hands and call everyone a salty virgin. lol
I'll be glad when this shit dies like NFT and crypto did.
Painting phase has this low-key Joe Rogan for Warhammer vibe that I can't quite shake. Might EASILY be my poisoned mind, but I needed to say it somewhere.
Agreed that AI is a difficult subject that needs to be discussed separately, but in this case it’s a painting competition, if he didn’t paint it himself with a paint/airbrush then it shouldn’t be allowed in. Glad Peachy is on his own now and making great videos about niche hobby games and wasn’t stuck in this conversation, so awkward 😬 I think we can all agree that Mikey’s haircut is a banger though!
I didn’t know what had gone on with this.
Mikey doing the Emperors work out here.
welcome to the news ;)
@@HellstormWargamingI’d not seen the interview on the painting phase yet. I now don’t think I want to.
I’ll confess, I’d used mid journey on some shorts we produced. When I heard about artists taking legal action and why, I cancelled my subscription. To know about that, and openly just be like “yeah I used midjourney” is, in isolation, enough for me to not be ok with it.
@LiamDempsey40k we’ve all been there. It’s about growing with the knowledge you have now, if you don’t then that’s the issue
@@LiamDempsey40k Sounds like you're one of those people that Neil would laugh at and call a virgin! Seems like a real pleasant fellow in the hobby.
@@ccgear4367🙀🙀🙀 BUT HOW DOES HE KNOW?!
AI in a painting competition, even if for 'part' of a piece or 'editted' is kinda like the guy who uses a quad bike for the last quarter of a marathon.
Agreed!
i disagree, its a gw painting comp where they want you to paint gw models, last time this came up people talked about the rules and how it all has to be made by you or by gw but that has never been enforced so i thought it was about the model and not whats on it since a lot of the models use 3rd party products on the basing, so i don't think that background really matters since i see it like that, at least at a gw event, if this was some other mini painting event id prob agree with people
I think it's fair to say that while this guy is a dirtbag, the Golden Demon judges really fumbled this one too. They should not allowed this entry to be submitted unless he removed the backdrop, let alone to win it.
Peachy would have held this guy over the coals
I wish they would of give some push back instead of just letting him rant and boast. I think the main issue is the competition element. Your being judged on your skill, you CANNOT therefor enter something made by someone/something else !!!!
He's also wrong about the Adobe Firefly part at 21:55 (ish). It uses customer data, and their subsequently produced artwork, as data to pull from. So it is still using an artists artwork.
Don't the latest Golden Demon rules forbid collaborations? Slapping an AI backdrop on there means that someone/thing else did part of the work for your entry. GW can classify Midjourney as a tool the same way they would a 3D printer, an airbrush, or the guys at The Painting Phase, but they'll quickly reverse course once you can use AI to generate 3D models.
If the AI backdrop is acceptable, then I see no reason why an entire model painted with AI wouldn't be. And if technology advances to that point it will definitely happen, if there's a machine that you plop an unpainted model into and it spits out a Golden Demon quality paint job in 24 hours, there will definitely be people like Hollis entering it into competitions and saying "Here's what I made."
I dunno, the whole thing is wild to me. You'd think the Golden Demon painters, the ones making the argument that mini painting is an art form, would see the value in creating art with your own hands out of all people, but that doesn't seem to be the case. No respect for the craft at all, just putting your name on an end product and going home with your trophy.
So could you commission someone to paint a model at GD level, win and it count as you winning because you have the commission painter a “prompt” on how you wanted it painted?
It definitely sounds like a similar argument. Maybe if you built a machine to paint a model perfectly and entered it, you promoted the machine hence you’re the painter 😐😐😐😐😐
@HellstormWargaming I submitted a prompt (I ordered a custom paint job) to my AI algorithm (Chinese painting company) which used advanced machinery (exploited chinese children) to custom paint my miniature.
*I painted this*
@@HellstormWargaming you just had a go for neil making a similar analogy but yours is somehow ok
@@LindsayWarringtonNeil is that you
Thats how a lot of tattoo competitions work 😅
He was actually arguing with me in the comments when I pointed out how contradictory he was every 5 minutes of the episode. I say ‘argue’ but in reality he just sort of buried his head in the sand and was like ‘Nope! Didn’t try and lie by omission to the judges! I just happened to not mention that the background was printed AI art and also said that I knew it would likely be DQ’d if they found out! It’s just a coincidence I didn’t tell the judges!’ 🤣
"I didn't lie by ommission, I just lied by omission."
Why don’t we just remove backgrounds to the models? If people want to add a background they should create the scene and enter it in diorama instead of any of the others
That’s what happened with his Lazarus tbf
Why's he always talking direct to camera?
Giving big "politician denying accusations on News at 10" vibes.
The third host, Pat, is sat behind the camera. But yeah, it does give him this pleading look on his expression that _really_ doesn't help his case!
That was my thought. I don't even think it's Pat because he's looking quite high up, like just above the camera or directly at it, not off to the side, so unless Pat is sitting directly behind the camera he is either looking into it or looking at a monitor possibly showing it. He's a cretin who who loves the sound of his own voice and is quite happy to cheat his way through a competition, act smug about it then ironically call people "virgins" if they have a differing opinion on it than him....he is a bargain basement level scumbag and a narcissist to boot.
I am a fan of the Painting Phase but this was a bit of a misstep. Given the normal folks who go on the show and their general style of interview they were destined to fail. I'll give the fellas the benefit of the doubt and just take this as a mistake on their part that they will move on from...a learning experience if you will. Enjoyed your take. Thanks!
Jeffs body language in this is everything.
Massive respect for talking about this! I really didn't enjoy the tone of discussion in The Painting Phase video, it felt so dismissive. As you've pointed out here, it's also contradictory.
On a more positive note, I've been loving seeing Vault Boy in your face cam!
AI art: 'I want this picture but I don't want to do any work, or pay anyone to make it exist, so I'm going to use this cool tech that creates it with stolen assets'
Tfw bringing my McDonald's order to the cooking competition doesn't get me first place immediately. :(
I cri erytim
but you chose it by hand on the menu order screen - so its valid! -yes!yes?yes! *g
As talented Neil is as a miniature painter, I hope he never wins another Golden Demon again. I hope the overwhelming response from painting competitions are to ban all AI. The point is to paint it, not steal images and print them.
Previous GD winner here (but not up to gold standards). I’ll hold my hands up and say I’ve used decals on winning and commended pieces previously, which isn’t technically my own work. But….. a large part of the setting being generated by not the artist (regardless of AI or not) is NOT okay. Simple IMO. If you want to make a point about AI, write ‘made with AI’ on the piece so it’s obvious. Also, it’s a painting competition, printing a backdrop doesn’t sit well either. Over painting would have solved the whole thing. AI is a cool and very useful tool, but it’s not art.
Congratulations dude that's very impressive
@@guineapigsith699 thanks, but only mentioned it to give the comment some context and grounding.
“It wasn’t easy” doing 200 prompts. Maybe not.
But I definitely know what wasn’t easy. Learning to paint something of equivalent standard from scratch. 200 prompts vs. Years of effort and talent 🤔
The irony is he could have painted the backdrop in less or equal time it took him to squeeze one out of the generator. And this would have never been a problem.
I saw this piece at Adepticon, and I couldn't for the life of me understand why Neil did that. He clearly has the skills to just paint a backdrop, and because he won, it sets a precedent for future competitions. Now, everyone who paints a backdrop now has to compete with people who are going to use AI. Will GW care? Probably not because this doesn't hurt their bottom line.
His behavior is also inexcusable.
Thanks for this, I refuse to give the actual interview the click
I genuinely hoped that he would be something like “I thought it was a neat idea, I was ignorant, guess I learned that the hard way” and that this could lead to future rules being placed about ai, 3D printing to clarify Gw’s stance. Instead we just get the most unnecessary and badly handled dying on a hill
Yeah I agree, I said it in another reply but I think there was scope for an interesting discussion about people entering anything they haven’t designed themselves (3D parts, any sort of printing backdrops or plinths) and this wasn’t it
Thank you for giving this interview the response it deserved.
Even if there'd been some reasonable arguments, the guy doesn't exactly have a winning personality to make me want to listen to them. But his arguments are bad, too.
I don't like the idea of employing AI in a competition. The backdrop shouldn't have been judged as part of the piece. It should've been judged solely by the model. It's a HAND PAINTING competition, is it not?
Also...I don't love Golden Daemon. Spending a month on a model using a magnifying glass just isn't what the hobby is about, in my opinion. I am more impressed by a well painted army, completed in the way that people normally paint their models in real life. But that's me. Stupid AI backdrops don't factor in.
Yeah nah its just gross to see him boasting about using AI while knowing that it steals others art works its crazy. And to insult people and artists for complaining about using others work to win is just wrong out of touch oh and to say todo it in the purest way n doesn’t put the effort into the art form is crazy
Yeah. Some wild takes all round
Regardless about AI, the boasting and taunting is pretty gross; doesn't seems like a very pleasant fellow. "There isn't a rule against it" defense is a good view into his mindset. Probably happy to sabotage other painters given the opportunity for a better chance at winning.
@@ccgear4367 yep hes abit of a gunt ya feel me
Really like that model, I cannot say the same about the person behind it.
Honestly that guy really pissed me off when I entered Golden Demon this year and found out about the AI. I mean I spent months working on my piece and it gets beaten by something a computer made
wow, typing away on a keyboard 200 times... just think, with all that effort he could have written 1/100th of a novel! but instead he got a jungle background that is in no way his own art or work! holy cripes!
I like the painting phase. But as you said, this looks really bad for them. I’d of loved to of seen this ‘interview’ conducted with Peachy still on the show.
Because of a ruling of the monkey who took selfies.
In the US, a piece of work can be copyrighted it must be created by a human.
I think i mentioned the monkey on stream too. great case!
I went to the red bubble t-shirt printing website and prompted a star wars t-shirt.
I printed a t-shirt.
No mate you cheated.
He did not clarify on instagram and I also screenshoted comments where he lies and answers "yes correct, I made it" when someone asked "did you paint the background?"
the painting phase is trash. it was trash before peachy, it's returning to trash in his absence. Seems like he did own some of the show in a sense.
Their are some nuances which are not theft such as...using AI creating a LORA (low rank adaption) for stable diffusion sampling your own art work to regenerate your own style, this would take a long time to create the art training data of course thousands of hours for the original creator, but ultimately he has used the Laion5b data set... which is stolen data the precedent for using imagery in this manner did not exist when those images were gathered so it's theft until New permissions are established. so I would say it's dishonorable of him. If we all had his attitude we would all steal all generate and ultimately nobody could claim ownership of anything artistically we all lose our creative signature...
That's one way to make sure that you never win another competition for the rest of your life.
Sure no one dared to critisize this man at the event in person, look at him, he looks like he could punch you out of your socks in an instand. Also with that direct look all the time towards the camera. He looks like he s enjoying playing a villain victim persona.
Pat, the third host, sits behind the main camera.
Love how he's like I didn't do anything wrong then at the end he's like I know Mid journey steaks art and also I do know there are other AI software that doesn't steal images. What an asstwat
So he's got an issue with virgins too. What did a virgin ever do to him
wow this is mindboggling bad, it's so much worse when he puts his opinion across backing up this theft and calling everyone virgins.
First sentence of this rule is crystal clear.
3.3. Only entries wholly painted by the entrant may be entered. Entries submitted on behalf of another person will not be accepted and joint submissions are not allowed.
The problem in this rule is worded to stop people entering commission paints. The wording needs to be adjusted to include automated or machine-generated imagery.
@@optimaximalpaying a company and going through 200 rounds of feedback with a company to get an image you are happy with is commissioned work.
Sad to watch Neil react so tunnel visioned on the use of AI art. Especially from such a talented artist.
If his artwork was stolen/copied to win a Golden Demon competition ahead of him, I wonder how he might feel.
Hope he can reflect on his stance and understand the other side of the argument.
Great vid Mikey ❤
I'm afraid he would just laugh in your face and call you a virgin! He said just as much.
Only started listening to painting phase when peachy joined and it lost its appeal when we left
Same, and if this is the type of dross they've got on now he's gone, I'm starting to think he left a sinking ship.
same, it was the peachy channel.
Great work Mikey, god that "interview" was so frustrating to listen to
So happy that people finally see how out of touch he is and how much of a troll he actually is.
Haha quite a train wreck. Nice video! To add a note about the copyright question - as you explained, it's complicated to say whether Neil can claim copyright as the prompter, but it probably isn't needed in this case. Copyright isn't actually required to use an image, it only grants the ability to prevent others from using it. In other words, he can lawfully use the image as long as no one else holds copyright for it. Since AI can't hold copyright for its creation, Neil was probably in the clear to use the artwork legally. Of course, legal doesn't always mean moral..
But the question is, was the source material that was used to make the image similarly copyrighted?
@optimaximal Oh yeah, the images used by the AI almost certainly had copyright. But AI training data is a tricky thing. The generated image can constitute copyright infringement against artists, but only if it's blatantly a direct copy or uses a copyrighted feature like a certain character. Otherwise, it's usually hard to prove that an AI copied anything other than style (which is not copyrightable).
It's a complicated dispute. I'm not expert enough to give a good, concise explanation but there have been a few court cases weighing these issues up so you can check them out. It does seem quite tough for artists, but I did hear something about lawmakers trying to change the way that AI generators are allowed to acquire training data so maybe that will make things fairer.
what an absolute melon
So he's cool with me using AI to generate some STLs that are similar to his diorama, but adjusted enough so the GW doesn't sue me, to sell on Etsy right? Heck maybe I'll even sell some full color prints.
I am sorry but I absolutely disagree with the "if you don't push back on an opinion you are siding with it". This is the exact internet mentality he is talking about. You can absolutely have a discussion on a podcast style video and not push back. If this was titled as a "debate" then it would be entirely different.
Oh and for the record, I agree with almost everything else in the video. It was just that one sentiment that irked me. I am no Ai art fan.
Dude, the podcast members spent the entire video saying “yeah, that’s right”, “exactly”, “for sure” and the like. If that doesn’t mean siding with Neil you’re absolutely delusional…
@@Heimdall1987 Please read what I typed again. I disagreed with the sentiment of "if you don't push back on an opinion you are siding with it". I made no comment on the response given by the podcast hosts.
I said it on stream in the first discussion, but either backdrops shouldn't be allowed at all/not count towards the judging or golden demon (gw) should issue a list of generic backdrop images that you can only use for the competition
We need to get ahead of this so that the first to do it remains so.
If it's allowed, it should not be AI and whoever makes it should be able to provide a timelapse/WIP recording of making it.
Honestly, the entire idea of a 'backdrop' seems to counterproductive to the Golden Daemon award. The competition is about the model itself, why do we need backdrops for them?
If you ever do something and have to insult anyone who might criticize you, let me emphasize that, they MIGHT criticize you, then you’ve kind of labeled yourself as the worst kind of person then haven’t ya?
The cognitive dissonance is real with Neil hahaha Can't even keep his story straight about who did/didn't know about his AI use leading up to Golden Demon. What an absolute chud :P
I just want to reach out to the organizers of al tournaments there are, send them this interview, and hope for the implementation of a rule regerding this. Because I don't care if that is one picture you googled or pices of 10k pictures the AI googled for you.
I think back drops should be hand built only
Yeah, personally I think backdrops printed shouldn’t really be entered as everything can be painted. The fact that it’s AI is an important but only a part of the issue going forward.
@@HellstormWargaming yeah if you didn't paint it it shouldn't be displayed and 2d painting I wouldnt count either should be 3 dimensional.
3:55 "if im doing this, i wanna do it to the purest way i can. ie - ai, print it, put it on there." I'm gonna assume that this man has no clue what he's saying because it is the antithesis of sense.
mikey virgin confirmed
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The way he looks straight at the camera is super freaky
Dude needs to open the window in his mom's basement to get some fresh air or even better yet ask her if he can go play outside and touch grass. Probably still screams abuse at kids in Halo 3 lobbies
Okay so.... 3D printers are now capable of printing in colour, its also possible to have AI generate a 3d model from an image.... SO.... could I win a painting competition if I prompted an AI to generate some artwork, then used said AI to generate a 3d model of said AI artwork and just print it in colour. By his logic I created it because I made the original prompt. Don't get me wrong. The mini is insanely well painted. But GW needs to ban any use of AI artwork in the future.
God AI art is so cringe man. Like whats the actual point. AI could create the greatest piece of art ever seen and it would be absolutely meaningless. Might as well just plug electrodes into my brain and zap my serotonin receptors at that point
Fucking hilarious. Nice one Mikey
Also, if an homage to a piece of art is just as bad as AI allegedly, and we're completely ignoring the hours spent building and painting the models, then doesn't that kind of kill the entire idea of Golden Demon in general?
The whole point is to take GW models based on GW IP and paint them up real good. Most entries are going to be using mass-produced products that are all copies of a master sculpted by someone else. Maybe it's just me, I dunno, but it feels like trying to deligitimize the entire competition by saying "Well you technically didn't make that!"
So if I use an AI enhanced version of his art that's cool then Neil?
Welcome to the Idiocracy, well ahead of schedule!
Dude comes off a bit like a jerk. However, what do people want to happen here? The guys clearly an amazing painter, he will enter and win more competitions. We’ve established his a dick but do you want him to not be able to enter anymore?
Or just revoke his win with the price in question? Just wondering what community that’s and about this wants then end result to be?
For one thing, to show some remorse for having cheated, instead of tripling down, boasting he played the rules, and insulting everybody who doesn’t agree with him. How about that?
There is a new type of 3D printer that can do full colour prints. If i was to take scans of his work run them through a AI program . Create a amalgamated moble and print it would he have a problem do you think?
I sure hope he dosen't, afterall it isn't stealing using his logic.
I walked by the case several times because I had an entry with a bunch of my friends, and everybody knew that thing was printed. Lmao 😂
Can we re-create you using 200 ai prompts?
I've always been a bit suspicious of the painting phase, and this interview does not improve my view on them.
The only good part of the Painting Phase was Peachy because he had insight into the company & industry and a brought in other people from that background that could talk inside baseball. Now that he's gone independent (again) they don't have that much to offer.
What a nob.
I've been experimenting with Ai art somewhat myself though I remain very much a novice. So far I have found that simple scenic images that lack figures or anything to do with technology are the easiest to create.
He said he used about 200 prompts. Remember, everytime you use 10-20 prompts, you waste 500ml of water
If GW backed this guy and his stolen artwork with a GD i guess GW are fine having their IP stolen for 3rd party products and miniatures😂
What a disaster of an interview.
its a painting competition
why does the competition even allow a backdrop
white background with regular lighting
dont ad shadows with fancy lights, you paint the shadows
dont put the terrain in the backdrop, you put the terrain on the base or it isnt there
its a competition about painting, there shouldnt be anything there to distract from the painting
warhammer is a joke, and the people are why
both the people at gw and the people playing
Judges may incorporate the backdrop into their evaluation of the piece. Also, I'm not sure about this, but I believe that if the piece has a background then it's lumped into the diorama category, so it'll be judged with other pieces where the background is part of the piece is also taken into consideration.
P.S Just looked in what category the piece Neil submitted was in and it's stupid that he was put in the single miniature instead of diorama, so yeah the people at ge are jokes but Neil isn't just a joke himself but the butt of it too.
You are the best
Why is a backdrop being judged as part of a Golden Demon entry at all?
Entries are judged in their entirety as pieces of art, not the miniature selectively. A lot of people will parrot “it’s a miniature painting competition, the miniature is all that counts”, but they don’t know what they’re talking about. By the judges’ own admission everything is assessed.
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Does this really matter? There were clearly not any rules in place to prevent this in the first place. Everyone is pointing their pitchforks at this guy for it..
They're calling for rule changes at the very least. This isn't the first time someone has done something not technically against the rules but lead to outrage that got the rules changed
@TheDuke07 They're bullying this man and others (not giving names
...) are instigating it. Discussions are fine, but harassment is not ok.
Ai IS STOLEN ART so it already breaks existing rules
Does a painting competition really need to have "please paint everything on your entry yourself" in the rules? Well, I guess apparently it does because of nobs like Neil..
Has Adepticon addressed this at all yet?
No, and it’s GW that runs it the comp so I’m not sure what they all could say besides “we don’t support ai art”
What about decals? How does Golden Daemon deal w/ models with decals?!