How Irish Americans became White: finding your roots
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Irish-Catholic immigrants have a long and complex history in America, dating back to colonial times. Charles Carroll, an Irish immigrant, came to America in 1706, and his grandson, Charles Carroll of Carrollton, signed his name to the Declaration of Independence. However, it was not until the 19th century that large waves of Irish immigrants arrived in America. The "No Irish Need Apply" signs were evidence of discrimination and prejudice faced by Irish immigrants in the United States, and Ignatiev's argues that the Irish had to work to become "white" in America.
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I am from the British west indies. I grew up amongst Irish people. My grandfather was Irish and my grandmother was black. I remembered as a child my grandfather saying ill things about white people. I was confused because I thought that all Europeans were white so how could he say bad things about his people. But after watching this video I have a better understanding of my roots and why my grandfather said terrible things about white people. I am a black man with Irish heritage and I am proud of Irish people.
There is one thing my grandfather taught me, "no one is better than you". And l live with his saying throughout my life. Thank you for this video.
I'm sure he said bad things about the British not white people per se. It was only the British that discriminated against the Irish because Ireland was controlled by Britain and they wanted to keep the population powerless but the Irish kept rebelling against British rule. During the 1700s Irish men from the Jacobite Army had to flee Ireland after the end of the Williamite War in Ireland. But Irish soldiers have left Ireland in the 16th, 17th and 18th Centuries. These soldiers were welcomed in other European armies with the biggest amount going to France but they also served in Spain, Italy, Austria, Poland and Sweden. Some even went to Russia. A descendant of these "Wild Geese" (this is what the Irish soldiers that left Ireland were called) became President of France Patrice de MacMahon in 1873. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_de_MacMahon
@@jackieblue1267, yeah, that's true he did say "the British", lol. But l also heard him saying bad things about white Americans. I love him so much.
I remembered when I turned 14 years old he took me to the store and bought a Guinness beer and said," Here! You are now a man". My mom was angry with him for doing that.
@@ianbynoe6515 He sounds like a good person. Glad you had him in your life.
Piggybacking just to say Noel Ignatiev quoted at the outset was a raging genocidal lunatic against whites, and he was allowed to remain at Harvard and have all kinds of respect as a quackademic. Make of that what you will.
Good example
The irish ONLY ate potatoes because the english FORCOBLY TOOK the rest of the food!!! Only eating potatoes was NOT by choice!
The Irish poor ate potatoes because that was all they could grow and eat in sufficient quantity on the little land they had or could rent. Apart from the poor who mainly died or emigrated, there were plenty other Irish who survived, most of whom played a role in the economy that the British government prioritised over everything, including exporting that food to Britain. That's why few Irish families here now have family stories of the famine. A touch of survivor-guilt I suspect.
Yes, that was where their calories came from
@@BrendaCarey-m9u
The Irish People did not just eat potatoes. They also had crops of Carrots, Onions, Cabbage, Leeks, Turnips, wheat barley corn, apples, pears, many berry varieties. Pork, beef, lamb but it was taken off them. Yes the potatoes went rotten/blighty. but they went rotten in other countries too There is Catholic and Church of Ireland Church's all over Ireland. The Irish people were persecuted for 800 years, and their landlords kicked them out of their homes. Also as many Irish went to England and survived.
Millions of Irish people in Scotland, England, Wales.
@@katieMarie2022 The Irish People? Defiition, please? did not just eat potatoes. They also had crops of Carrots, Onions, Cabbage, Leeks, Turnips, wheat barley corn, apples, pears, many berry varieties. Really? References, please?
@@daintree98Go to the British and ask what happened to the food that was left with only potatoes to eat which went blighty. Why ships full of produce were left in Cork Harbour for around six weeks rotting. Go over to Aintree Racecourse and take your blankets off.
Love this awareness being spread as a Italian/Irish American I am proud of my heritage and am glad what my ancestors went through to make me have a better life and I feel truly blessed.
That's how I feel as well!
As (you being) a Italian/Irish American, I want to see photos. It sounds like you'd be a delight to gaze upon.
Early Irish immigrants were treated sometimes worse than blacks.
I am a 60 year old black man, raised in Texas, who would think of himself as fairly educated (BS degree in Education and MA degree in Criminology) and your posts have taught me a great deal. I knew that the Italians and Irish were looked upon initially as somewhat lower than their British and White American born citizens, but nothing like what you have exposed. For this I thank you.
Thank you for being here, please chime in more I'd love to hear your thoughts on these topics
Funny that both Italy and Ireland were predominantly catholic at that time (and still kinda are to this day)
She mentioned the kkk as I’m writing this, glad she mentioned the catholic hate (also still going on today)
@@nytnA debt of gratitude for posting this...a native of Limavady now an adopted son of Birkenhead, been mistaken for a visiting Rabbi in Harvard yard , a Jordanian by som Fire and rescue staff, an Iraqi thought I was a compatriot...appearances can be deceptive...😅😅...E...
@caroline8785The Trevelyan family have acknowledged this...the Cherokee nation made a food donation to my forebears in County Donegal....E...
Maurice Vojta Czech Republic made black in America is my nephew , my Grandpa Robert Vojta WW1 revolution lord made all the deals with America before the war started feel real sorry for the native American's yet the Irish made slaves seven years before ok to be American -- there is a group of innocent hear , like African American can not be entrapped to be vaccinated by mandates.
Irish monks not only converted the Saxon nobles from paganism to Christianity they taught them how to read and write and latinised their runic alphabet to old english, and they dare call us uncivilized.
There was no payback in 800 ad to learn how to read and write beyond signing your name.The Printing Press needed to be invented first, around 1450 to make it worth ppls while to produce lots of paper. Books were way too expensive for the masses to own any so I totally dispute that beyond the elite crowd, reading and writing wasn't worth the rest of ppl's time.
What most ppl don't realize was that the Catholics had a monopoly on Bibles and interpretation because there were very few books which made them very expensive
@ailinofaolin8897 referring to the pagan faith and runic alphabet as UNCIVILIZED is one of the most elitist things and intolerant things I would expect from a Christian.
Your faith did not make you or them more civilized, as evidenced by your 'troubles' and the English colonization, famines and genocides done for hundreds of years
@@jsigur157
Irish Catholics did not use the bible. Bibles belonged to the Protestants who were English and English speakers. You are talking about an Anglo culture only. You are neglecting to mention our monks whose legacy is valuable books, such as the Book of Durrow or Book of Kells. We have inherited much Irish language poetry from our poets from as early as the 1500s. We study it today, many poems are contemporary accounts of history, invasions, persecutions, loss of our language, heritage and land and the plight of the poets. Irish was the vernacular.
@@Mary-wo5ln There were books in 800 but too expensive for avg folks to own due to the time consumed in creating a copy. Protestants actually used the availability of books and pamplets to spread their ideas. Without the invention of the printing press there likely would have been no protestant reformation
@@Mary-wo5ln Catholics were encouraged not to read scripture to assure they didn't disagree with the priests. The Church of England came about simply to allow an English king to get divorced and remarry. Around the same time leaders of dissenting movements sprung up and went or were sent to different areas of Europe in an effort to undermine Catholicism which in Western Europe was quite successful. That subversion didn't succeed in Ireland beyond what the Scotch brought with them from Scotland
I appreciate you addressing the Irish. I hope you won't mind a small but significant correction: It wasn't the Scots-Irish (Scots encouraged to move to Ireland by the English) vs. the southern Irish. It was the Scots (Protestant) who moved there vs. ALL Irish (Catholic). The Irish were everywhere in Ireland, but the Scots were mostly only in the north(east), right across the strait from Scotland. I can tell by your family's name, Donnelly, that your great-grandfather's family was Irish-Irish, which I like to refer to as the IRISH (while still from the major city of the northeast, Belfast, Béal Feirste in Irish.).
Thank you so much for this fix! I am still new to my Irish side, and it's like learning a new language.
" by the English " the first migration was pushed by Scottish King 👑 of Scotland and England, Nd you blame regular English ppl?
I tell my British-Canadian husband there is no such thing as Scotch-Irish. Those are just Scottish people in Northern Ireland or UlsterScotts. Irish are Catholic and UlsterScotts are Presbyterian.
@NYTN Belfast woman here , he's right and I know some of your ancesters and family here in Belfast as the Donellys are still in Belfast to this day
@@kathleenoconnell1635 I don't totally disagree with you, but there are the native Irish, nearly all Catholic in Ulster, but there are Presbyterians and Church of Ireland (Anglican) as well. During the time of Elizabeth I the counties of Antrim and Down are privately planted, basically people are brought in, mainly by landowners whose land had been taken from the Irish and given to supporters of the crown, to basically colonize the land in a hope that they would outnumber the native Irish Catholic population whose land of had previously been.
A second wave and what I think is generally called the Plantation of Ulster, the province of Ireland that covers most of the North of Ireland, was done by James I was a response to raids by some troublesome Scottish lowlanders, reevers, who would raid across the border into England but retreat back into the separate jurisdiction of Scotland to avoid capture. His solution was plant them in Ulster where land had already by made forfeit and handed to English landowners after the Nine Years War and the subsequent Flight of the Earls. This was in the remaining counties of Ulster, Armagh, Tyrone, Fermanagh, and Derry/Londonderry, as well as the Ulster countries now part of the Republic, Cavan, Monaghan, and Donegal.
One final thing I would add is there are a number of invasions of Ireland, one by the Normans after they had won control of England, but even though they considered large parts of the country over time they became self ruling of their territories, inherited local traditions, and it is said became more Irish than the Irish themselves. So it is complex.
Having looked into my own family history and extensively it is a very complex history and it is easy to generalise. Depending on where people are situated they in some parts became more Anglicised, especially in the part of the country called The Pale (where the saying beyond the pale comes from), whereas ironically Ulster, much of which is still part of the UK, was the most Irish part of the country, and the last to fall.
I'm from Jamaica with Irish heritage. My Irish ancestors came to Jamaica as indentured laborers.
Wow. They were probably amongst the very first Irish to arrive in the new world.
@@adammartin7007
The Irish were in America from the beginning.
@john patrick The beginning is subjective based on whether you speak to a European or the indigenous.
You spelled slaves wrong.
The Irish were the first slaves in America brought by the British. They built so much towns, etc, long before they started bringing other cultures like Italians or Africans. What gets me is, this was how the world ran for hundreds of thousands of years. No country in this world did not suffer from slavery at some point. Some people like the Irish fought hard to get their freedom and sovereignty. But the Irish helped build America a lot had no choice, but eventually they helped shape America as it is today and their offspring continues to do so. However, after the blacks were free, the Irish never got that same freedom and were still treated badly for a long time after that. Including discrimination over work and not being able to apply for a lot of work. So I would love for people to stop saying white privilege, because my ancestors suffered greatly throughout history and we don't cry about it or claim reparations. We focus on the life we live and have now, not the past. @@adammartin7007
In England, shopkeepers etc sometimes had “No blacks no dogs no Irish” signs out the front of their establishments. As hard as it is to grasp, as you say, race and racial hatred is completely a social construct and can be directed against any group. Keep up the awesome content Danielle 💪
They had signs like that in New Orleans, Louisiana too.
When were these signs in England ? When did the signs disappear ?
@@davidpryle3935 Post WW2 I believe, and then in the late 1960s the earliest anti discrimination laws were passed.
@@clairecooke6268 Yeah, the reason I asked was, because there is considerable doubt about that actual sign, “no blacks no dogs no Irish”. The only photograph of it, is held by a university in London, and is suspected of being mocked up Irish activists for an Irish festival in London in the 1980s, who seen a chance to graft their cause onto the undoubted, documented, discrimination suffered by West Indians in post war England. They certainly were successful, as that particular “phrase” has become almost completely accepted as fact. That’s not to say of course, that there weren’t anti Irish signs about the place, before the race discrimination laws, as people years ago could be very prejudiced, and not shy about showing it. For example, in the Earlscourt district of London, once famous for it’s many boarding houses, many of the guest houses would have signs in the windows saying “No Australians”. The Aussies had a bit of a reputation, for late night partying.
@@clairecooke6268 Sorry Claire, that should read, mocked up BY Irish activists.
My dad was an immigrant from Ireland who came to America in his late teens in the 1950's. He saw a sign that read "Help wanted, Irish need not apply". He told me about the sign and also said "It wasn't a black, Jew or Puerto Rican who put up that sign, you know who did" and I did. He also said the racist white people treat black and brown people is the same as the English treated us and never be like that or you are no better.
Yup my great grandma came from Ireland said the same thing one of the first things noticed were signs "Help wanted Irish need not apply"
My Great grandfather immigrated from Bavaria, Germany and didn’t like the Irish or English. My Other Great Grandpa was from Scotland and got along with most people, from what I’ve been told.
Where all Americans now 🤟🏻 Man, I love this country. ❤🇺🇸
Should've immigrated to Mexico
@@bucktooth002 I’m in California occupied Mexico
You didn't mention - and it's an important point - that the reason the Irish were so dependent on potatoes was because all the other types of food were being shipped to Britain. There was no shortage of meat, dairy products, vegetable, fruit, fish etc in Ireland at the time of the famine. These foods were only available to the "landed gentry" (ie, British "settlers") and to people in Britain.
Incidentally, it is a little known fact that the Choktaw native American people donated food and financial support to the Irish at the height of the famine. To his day there is a strong bond between Irish people and native Americans, the Choktaw people in particular (as there is between Irish and Palestinian people).
I knew about the Choctaw, but not the first part. thank you so much for adding to this
Yea, the famine was deliberately caused and exactly why I don't want some Banker family in Amsterdam making decisions for the US in some NWO the elites want
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@zakmartin It was the Irish poor who depended on potatoes. Millions of Irish survived because they could buy other food. It was not restricted to the "landed gentry". As an agricultural country relying on exports many Irish needed that economy to keep going. It's more complicated then the simple "English took all the food" stuff you see online these days. The truth is bad enough, no need to exaggerate.
No they all link all together we have been absorbed into this idea of " whiteness" when we are all different with our languages and our own cultures and music and legacy
Thank you for speaking about our American history with truth! So many people suffered discrimination and injustice. My great grandfather came from Italy and when he had his children they all suffered discrimination even though his kids were born here. My grandfather would tell me that when looking for work there would be signs posted on the front “ No Blacks, Jews Irish and Italians!” It was hard to find work so the Italians would stick together to help each other
Yet all these European welcomed their admission to ‘whiteness’ with open arms. In fact you all identity as American whites today instead of working to dismantle it.
Actually, those signs didn’t usually list all the ethnic groups together like that. In Northern states it would list usually just one or two and say something like “No Irish” and “No Italians”. Sometimes they would hire everyone but pay would differ by race. So Northern states tended to put Italians and Irish at the very bottom with the lowest pay (everyone else would be higher, including błack people). Who was treated the worst really depended on where you lived and wasn’t just one race or ethníc group all across the country.
Also, they did differentiate between Northern Italians and Southern Italians. They accepted the Northern Italians but discriminated against Southern Italians (especially Sicilians). This actually has roots back to different lineages in Italy, with the North related to Germanic/Celtic tribes and the South direct ancestors of the Latin/Italic tribes.
Far too many people, even with Italian ancestry, deny the discriminatíon we faced… But we most certainly did and weren’t welcomed with open arms or seen as “whíte”. Even in my lifetime, I was chased out of all whíte neighborhoods with racíal slurs yelled at me (wøp, sp*c, NwordWop…). At school I had several confrontations with the whīte kíds and black kíds that used slurs against Italians. It’s only the Hispanic students I never had any racíal issues with and was accepted openly by them. If you consider that Spanish and Italian both have Latin roots, this isn’t that surprising actually. It only seems that way with a lens of today, thinking Italians were always “whíte”.
Yea it always baffled me, who are the whites that are pure? Former British haha rednecks? I'm so confused everyone who wasn't originally American was considered non white and cast out, it was so weird even the Germans were considered non white or traitors by the American population, racism makes no sense if you analyze it with a perspective that's transparent.
The Irish took police and firemen jobs, dangerous and low pay, long hours..... The Italians took to corruption, aka Mafia.
To this day, in the northeast, there are still "families".
@@GhostSal I worked in the schools in Madison WI in the early 2000's. One of my students was from Mexico. He worked at a restaurant and said while all of the US workers got breaks, the immigrants never did.
Thanks again, Danielle. There is so much to sort out... It's a shame the "big" scholars push people to think on way or the other, but someone like yourself just presents the TRUTH and guide us down that path...the Truth path! Thanks✌🏾
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My family immigrated to Canada from Ireland and Scotland in the 1870’s. Most of my family (myself included), still identify as Irish Catholic. As such, I really liked your video. It was very interesting! ☘️
Thank you, Kevin! I’m still reconnecting to the Irish side. I got a lot of Irish communities on ancestry
@@nytnThe church records of all Faith's in Ireland and England are worth a go...
Identify as Irish Catholic or identify a fiction you like, like to harm others with, etc.?
The Irish in the island of Ireland would call you Canadian.
@@nytnhave you heard of the genocide that took place in Ireland committed by St. Patrick?
Well I'm Irish and I know this history very well and I will never label myself by a skin color I will never be whitewashed I'm from county Cork but I know live in the united states.. Thank you for sharing this time in Irish history which was very sad but should be remembered because our ancestors suffering should never go ignored....
Why ? Why must be join the victimhood gangs ? I find it better to learn and live and allow my ancestors to rest in peace not shape who I am and dwell on it like say the black American community does
I am an Irish American and I studied Irish history. Studying Irish history is like peeling an onion, the more I get into it the more I want to cry
@@GoldenhairYOTL80History tends to repeat itself.
@@claire5399 I'm certain that it does , however , I'm an individual who prides myself of my resilience and abilities to overcome obstacles and yes my people- Irish ppl was victimized however we overcome it and we are doing good now and I had rather speak upon that and not come as weak or a bunch of no good grifters
Just don't harp on it for 300 year's.
Came here from the Armenian video and I was so worried about this video in particular. Everything I've watched so far has been on point, but I'm actually Irish (I live there) and this is so well researched I can't believe you had time to source that absolutely beautiful hat.
I think people are missing your point because of the title, which I understand helps with views). I get what you are trying to say but i think many people think that they literally werent considered white when in reality it was more that they were considered the lowest class of whites and faced discrimination for being Irish(which is an ethnicity, not race). They didnt benefit as much from being white as those from other European countries. They were only socially accepted when it benefited the white elites. But the crazy thing is that you were very clear about this and i think you did a great job explaining it.
Some people in the comments are trying to use race and ethnicity interchangeably and thats not always valid. When it came to African Americans, they used skin color and physical traits as a weapon against them. It was an apparent difference that you could identify immediately without even having a conversation and it couldn't be disquised. They would never be considered white and will always be at the opposite end of the spectrum, used as a comparison for the lowest of the low of humans. I dont get why there are still comments trying to make the Irish and Black experience equivalent.
The issue is you are defining “race” through a lens of today. That’s is absolutely not how it was viewed back then and nor was it thought of the same throughout history.
I don’t disagree that systemic racism is historically real, nor do I make the argument oppression never existed. However, your argument of a shade of “whíte” is essentially the concept of “white privilege”. However, that doesn’t accurately describe the events of the past or take into account diversity of cultures within what we now call “white”. A better and more accurate concept to describe systemíc ínjustice, is simply to say “oppression”. Why? Because throughout history and across the globe, ruling elites and/or majority populations have oppressed the minority population and/or the poor.
Also, many of the Irish were førced or trícked into indentured servítude. They were beaten, their wømen rap3d and at times their chīldren sold. Many were førced into service flor life or kílled well before their contracts ended (about 60% never lived to see freedom). Also, they were subjocated by the Britísh for centuries and at one time had half their populatíon wiped out.
@@GhostSal we are talking about their experience strictly in the US, not in other areas. Also what would the Irish choose on census records when it says state race? I've researched my genealogy and I have a lot of family from the Boston area so I would see many people who were listed from Ireland on those records. The Irish chose white as their race which is my point. They didn't choose Black or Mulatto.
I think you mistook my point because I'm not trying to say that they didn't face discrimination because they did. My point is many people(even in the comments) like to compare the Irish experience to the Black experience and they don't compare. 2 very different experiences. It's a very common thing for when someone is speaking about slavery for a person to say "but the Irish were slaves too." It's something said to try to diminish what the Black experience was and all I'm saying is the title attracts those types of people. I hope they listen to what shes actually saying verses just validating their false narrative by reading the title.
@@mickey10jb80 When people say the Ìrish were słaves too, they aren’t trying to diminish the suffering of others.
They are telling the truth, índentured śervants on paper were nothing like słaves but in practice they absolutely were (not all but many, like I said 60% never líved to see the end of their contracts and many were also forced into it). Also, if anything it’s often błack people in the US that try and say they suffered more than anyone else and by doing diminish the suffering of others.
Słavery existed for tens of thousands of years and not hundreds. Chatteł słavery did in fact exist in other places and in some places there were no descendants because the słaves were castratèd. In some places słaves were tørtured, mass sacrifíces and cannïbalized… This idea that one group suffered more than another other is ridicułous, far too many have suffered and their suffering also shouldn’t be diminished.
@@GhostSal yes they too are trying to diminish the Black experience because it's always said when talking about Black experience. The cruelness of chattel slavery and the number of slaves in America is a different experience than what the Irish endured. I don't have to debate it. The information is widely available. You can easily look it up using many sources. From a Google search to scholarly articles, the information is our there
@@mickey10jb80 The information is out there and you should read it.
Not just from biased sources but many different sources and no the people that say that aren’t trying to diminish anyone else’s suffering. That is precisely what some błack north Amerícans do when they claim they suffered more than anyone else.
This is why education is so needed.
Real education the raw truth of education not that waterd down system of education ms.jannis lewis
This is not something they want to teach in schools though...
@@dhdowladno of course not they want all whites absorbed into whiteness as if we have all had the same American experience- blacks think all whites have lived great lives lol 😂 the slaves was treated way better than the Irish- Read the book " masterless men"
@proudsussexerwhat exactly is false about this video? If you are so certain of your claim then, surely, it must be no trouble for you to provide evidence.
Interesting video Danielle. I knew some of this history, but you've added to my knowledge. I appreciate all the research you do.
The sources you cited refer to the Irish as white. The Irish have always been treated as white. The fact that they were oppressed should teach people that whites can also be victims of systemic injustice.
The pamphlet from The library of congress that I shared called Irish “originally of a colored race” etc. obviously, it’s all ridiculous
@@nytn Yeah, hateful people will say anything. Irish immigrants had white skin and European features. They were always white in American society. They were oppressed for the other reasons you outlined in the video. And the people who oppressed them were mainly Republicans, who were anti-slavery but also anti-immigrant. That's why so many Irish were pro-Democrat during the civil war.
Yes they were called dirty Irish
@@nytn
But there is no need to perpetuate the lie is there.
It came from the inventors of racism - Britain.
Their "Race Science" said that the Spanish and all Southern Europeans were Black and sub-human and - as the Irish came from Spain - they were Black.
But the Irish didn't come from Spain - the British did!
So the British are NOT Anglo-Saxons but Spaniards!
@@johnpatrick5307 R1b df 27, which is the Spanish-Basque haplogruop is found BOTH in Britain and Ireland.
You speak about Spain with little respect. I doubt you are an Irishman FROM IRELAND. And I doubt you have ever visited Spain nor seen many native Spaniards (millions look the same as millions of Irish; and the ones who are darker have no inferiority complex because they haven`t internalized the grotesque USA Wasp mentality (on average, Spaniards in USA have always been perceived as more attractive than typical US of Americans) and because Spain has a great military, naval and cultural history behind.
Unlike you, most native Irish I have met want to be related to Spaniards, for BOTH historical and for aesthetic reasons.
Excellent delivery! Well prepared and informative. My Irish line can be traced back to West Virginia shortly after the Revolutionary War. They were cobblers and picked up and moved to Montana eventually winding up in Washington. They worked in mining and logging.
My mother is Irish…father Native American, Black and of course….a small percentage of Irish.
About the Irish and the potato famine: I once watched an episode of "Who do you think you are" and they featured Mandy Moore. Her search brought her to Australia. She found out that one of her female ancestors went to Australia during the time of the potato famine in Ireland. During that time, there were many prisoners (men) in Australia. After they had served their sentence, the prisoners were released. There was a lack of females during that time. The govt brought in young female volunteers/ immigrants from Ireland who wanted to escape the famine and start a new life. Mandy's ancestor plus a sister were one of those immigrants. The new immigrant Irish women (mostly teenagers) were housed in a large building, like a dormitory. They later took jobs or married elsewhere. Mandy didn't find present-day relatives in Australia. I think the next episode featured her going to Ireland. This story of NYTN reminded me of Mandy Moore's journey. Thnx for the vid, Danielle! Btw, I like the hat & earrings - they look good on you!
I live in a town with a mass grave a few miles down the road, the old Balrothery Union, only a sliver of the workhouse buildings remain, across the road, the grave.
Orphan girls from Gorta Mór time were rounded up from here and surrounding areas, destination Australia
@@siogbeagbideach thanks for the info. I can't remember exactly where in Australia or Ireland that Mandy visited. Gorta Mor - was that the potato famine?
Who gets to count as American? It still comes down to who looks white…..
@kitty_s23456 yes, translates to Great Hunger
@@siogbeagbideach thanks for the info!
If the Irish weren't 'White' then I don't even know what white is. I'm part Irish and I can sunburn just walking from the house to the car lol.
Anyway I'm not so sure if it was white supremacy at the time as it was discrimination against Catholic immigrants. In fact even as late as when JFK was elected as the first "Catholic" President, it was considered a big deal at the time.
People have not always been so skin-obsessed as we are in the media today. In fact religion has often been the main driver of tribalism and even warfare in history.
I know, if Irish isn't white, "white" doesnt mean what people THINK it means. I wish we would stop using terms like white/black exclusively. I had meant to include JFK in this video, thank you for mentioning him. First Catholic president and look what happened to him🙃
@@nytn oh yes well I believe he also was about to implement Universal Healthcare in the U.S.- in fact before he was shot, he made this speech saying "we shall continue as long as we have the opportunity to do so."
*gunshot*☠💥
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It's the same with all Catholics. Must be nice to commit sins and just confess to some anonymous person and everything is new again.
@@TropicoDreams Well, you want forgiveness in this world or you dont want forgiveness in this world. I know what I think is best.
Because people are using white the same way as social class and not as a racial category. The Irish were always legally white in the US but were discriminated against which is a crossover from colonialism and what happened in Ireland under British rule. They are using being accepted as mainstream American as becoming "white" while ignoring the racial aspects. Of course it was easier for the Irish to become socially accepted after a few generation because they did not have the restrictions placeD on them that someone from China did or an African-American had. Even in the 1960s Northern Irish Catholics were treated as second class citizens in Northern Ireland which is how the whole Troubles started however they weren't a separate race to Northern Irish Protestants. So this whole topic conflates social class with race which is a bit dishonest and trying to compare European groups with what happened with African-Americans when African-Americans were treated far worse as they had slavery and also long-term discrimination because they could not blend in to the mainstream American population as easily as European groups.
I am irish with roots to galway. I spent 2 weeks there a few years ago. Amazing country. My ancestors went through a lot. Proud to be an irish american
Bless you ( beannacht leat )
Slainte...
A pity the Irish did not keep the language as somany went to the US country with no language no heart as Welsh we kept our language all though oprest not to speak .
I want to thank you again for doing these series and opening up dialogue. It's not about shaming culture It's about showing people how their culture was vilified unjustly. All in the name of "white supremacy" and how much hate has hampered our society and views. I'm going to share these videos all over my social media. They are informative and I love the personal perspective.
Thank you for understanding my perspective. I love America and I want her to keep getting better. So glad to have your support
I believe too much blame is on white supremacy. I would say elitists in power and identity politics is harmful. Hate comes from the segregation of any group - white, brown, black... people are individuals who should be noted for their character and actions as Martin Luther king preached. Character not color, not sexual orientation, not grouping people by labels, which seems to have political agenda. There is good and evil in every walk of life. And thankfully there are far more kind, good people on the world.
@@maryk8563 The blame is where it belongs, there is only one goal of white supremacy. To elevate "white" over everyone else. And that idea of "identity politics" that is a red flag for many of us whose whole identity is constantly politicized, criminalized and trivialized by an unjust system. It should be clear how toxic the very idea of declaring any one demographic supreme is. But those who benefit from the illusion of power often refuse to acknowledge the damage it does to our society.
These things sound cute and nice, but ask the people in Rosewood, Florida, the people, the Colfax Louisiana massacre, the Wilmington NC massacre, and the Atlanta massacre1906-The Elaine Arkansas massacre 1919. I could continue, but I won't. In all these massacres, whites acted in concert with each other. So spare me the nonsense. I love history, but I love truth. "A half truth is a whole lie."
@@maryk8563 Yes!!! It was like 1 to 2% of people that even had slaves... Sounds familiar... Kinda just like how the 1% rules the rest of us today.... hmmm
I have been binge watching your videos. I feel like we have similarities in our ancestral path. I have learnt alot from you about myself and my heritage. Thank you.
This is awesome, I hope you chime in more. Thanks for being here!
@NYTN Yes I absolutely will. Thank you.
@@nytnBe careful what you wish for....😅😅😅..us Irish are a garrulous lot....E....
I enjoyed your very good and informative video. I think one of the saddest episodes in Irish American history was during the Battle of Fredericksburgh in the civil War. When a union regiment composed mostly of Irishmen came up against a Confederate regiment also composed mostly of Irishmen . Great bravery was shown on both sides and both sides suffered heavy losses and I think both sides were astounded and greatly saddened beyond belief when they realised they were fighting fellow Irish men . You were right about the two groups of Irish who came to America. The Protestant and mostly Scots/Irish who many came over in the first half of the 18th century and came mostly from what is now Northern Ireland They did suffer some prejudice but being Protestant were able to quickly assimilate. The Irish Catholics came in large numbers from the 1840s onwards . Also were the first significant Roman Catholic group to arrive in what had been upto then a staunch Protestant country. One thing though you did miss out on this brilliant video was that the British Penal Laws in Ireland were gradually recinded cumulativing in Catholic Emancipation Law of 1829 ; so before the potato famine of the 1840s when Catholics thoughout Great Britain and Ireland were given the vote and freedom to worship.
Informative, thanks 👍
Thank you for this- I wonder sometimes if the Irish have such a penchant for genealogy because the displacement & the efforts it took for our ancestors to assimilate and keep moving forward. Like dealing with grief over the loss of country, rejection, etc. Such a rich history that goes well beyond the wearing of green & drinking beer! So privileged to learn more about my heritage and how hard won my existence.
As an irishman from Ireland 🇮🇪 it seems crazy to me that Irish people became so invested in becoming a part of the establishment.
I see many Irish identifying with Vikings and English and the Wasps in USA, historically conquering or discriminating races of the Catholic Irish Celts. Strange.
The establishment are the J*ws
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The "Wasps" are really mostly Spaniards (there was mass migration into Britain in the Bronze Age) and the "Vikings" are a mixture of races many races.
Notice what the English actually look like - their not paticularly White, not compared to the Irish.
@@johnpatrick5307 Indeed, in Spain quite a few resemble Britons, while quite a few Englishmen are quite dark (Russell Brand), and many look Atlanto-Mediterranean. In pop music. for instance, George HarrIson, Keth Richards, Eric Burdon, Pete Townsend, Ron Wood, etc. .However there is also a portion of Spanish dna that is darker from Neolithic origins and later from Jewish MIddle Eastern and Berber presence since the Roman Empire and the Islamic invasion. Furthermore there are millions of "Spanish" Romani people, who are have integrated and even mixed in the South with Spaniards of Celtic origins. If you compare the national football team of Spain of today with the one that played from the 1920s to the 1970 s it is evident that Spain`s collective national phenotype is becoming darker (the result of mass immigration and integration of ethnic minorities).
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The irony is that I can tell the English straight away because they have dark features and skin! - eg the Rolling Stones.
I come from an Irish background. My Great Grandmother Was An O’Conner later changed to Conner in the America. I learned and my family loves an Irish meal called pasties. a baked pie of steak-potatoes-carrots and onions.
My neighbour was Patrick O Connor....Ireland.
Thank you for this information. too many people are living delusional, willfully ignorant lives. Keep up the great work.
Thank you so much
Thank you so much for this video. You have a rare skill to communicate wonderfully. Thank you.
Wow, thank you! ☺
Wow, very informative! I learned a lot from this.
All of this stuff was my Great Grandma’s experience when she emigrated to Canada during the Civil War in the 1920s. There were still signs saying No Blacks, No Jews, No Irish then. She also immediately picked up on how the Residential schools for Indigenous children were like the schools in Ireland that were set up to strip the Irish of their language & culture. In fact despite speaking English she often refused to when I was a kid in the late 80s & referred to it as ‘their language’. She spoke Irish instead. She disinherited my Grandmother & her sister because they married men of English Protestant background. She left that money to Sinn Fein instead. I also remember her having a little shrine with Patrick Pearse, & Bobby Sands flanking Pope JP2. Which is to say she made sure to teach us we had to been considered white enough until we were needed to subjugate other ethnic groups. She never forgot the Choctaw people donated food to Ireland during the Famine. They were why she was alive. Those lessons stuck with me & made me identify with other minorities against the true oppressors Rich Christofascists who believe in white Protestant supremacy. I’m disgusted with how many Irish diaspora in North America forgetting the past mistreatment for a chance to be an oppressor themselves.
My Nana's Uncle went to jail for speaking Irish. There is a book about him called, On the Run. My Nana ended up with Alzheimers, amazingly, she went back to speaking Irish. We only knew a little. Mostly swears and prayers.
"we had not been considered white enough until we were NEEDED TO SUJUGATE OTHER ethnic groups." Such an important statement.
What province did you're gg grandmother live
What gets me about all this is a group of people who suffer indignities in America yet when they start making it they inflict the same indignities on others.
BTW it's not just them other groups pass it down too
Thissss,this needs to be addressed
The irony, right?
Knowing the history I look at the recent US Supreme Court justices Roberts, Thomas, Kavanaugh, Alito, Scalia all staunchly conservative who espouse views of the people who had their boots on these justice’s ancestors necks. Seems to me if you wear the cloth of "Whiteness" you are attempting to legitimize what had been done to your own people. These justices are turncoat traitors who trample on the bones of this ancestors. Scalia was a particularly rabid justice who spoke so proudly of his Italian heritage yet did all he could to stomp on the aspirations of others who suffered from racial discrimination. He was the archetype of a self-hating Italian.
On the other hand, look at Justice Hugo Black, who at one time was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, who went on to become one of the more liberal justices. Forget the party labels, conservative and liberal philosophies have been relatively consistent over the last 2 centuries. When have conservatives championed liberties for women, racial minorities or any other group other than white males?
Which is why I give no fucks about no Irish suffering.
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I appreciate how you emphasize that learning history is not to victimize the marginalized or to be decisive. Being well informed and actively aware of our history keeps us from repeating. Helps us to know why we are the way we are today and if we need to change things that are no longer or have never been valid to begin with. It’s always about money and control. You wonder why certain things are not taught or emphasized in school. Then the media and the government uses these same ploys to pin us against one another. The real war won’t be a race one, it will be amongst the haves and the have nots. The rich against the poor. The ones who know, the ones who desire to know
Thank you for this. My son is doing a National History Project on this, and this was very helpful. We learned a lot. We are visiting Ireland next year and want to visit some museums. We will keep you in mind. Thank you again.
Glad it was helpful!
Hi I'm glad you've taken the time to research these challenges on Italians Irish and Africans keep up the good work. You are beautiful
I'm from Louisiana, and you are absolutely 💯 correct...I'm French, German, English, Spanish, Irish, Italian, and native American...race war's seems so reduclious to me...thank you for speaking about this, I'm 68 and have been trying to explain this to many...you need to know where you come from to understand yourself and where ya going 😉...thank you for sharing your research
Somehow you don’t have African ancestry though, but you have all of those others….In Louisiana..😑
Most people who think they have Native American ancestry who are primarily European usually have African ancestry. Most Blacks Americans who think they have Native American ancestry usually have European. Usually someone lied on both sides.
@King Of HeArts👑 yes, I was surprised by that as well...I did the test when it first became available, I understand the new test are more accurate and should do it again...there ain't no way I don't have some black in me...I'm 68 and have found out enough to know who, what and why I am me...my family was full of lies, what my father's mother revealed was hush hush between us, the fear of the truth being let out the bag frightened her...my mother's family never wanted to talk, come to find out my great grandmother was a Madam in a brothel
@@kingofhearts1072 I am from Nola. I am a pure blooded American mutt. I have African ancestors though I identify as "White" despite legally being black because of the one drop rule. Last held up in court in 1982 in Louisiana. Erin Go Bragh
This was not a war between races, but a conflict between two different human groups with different culture: the first (english) a mix of germanic and celtic against a second (irish) that was celtic. Race had nothing to do with it, and religion was also an excuse. It has to do with control over the land and the wealth that can come from it
@Giorgio Di Francesco are you familiar with the neutral grounds in the city of New Orleans...it was where two different cultures or races would meet, knowing it was a neutral ground and no harm would fall on anyone...of course you understood where that term came from? New Orleans in the beginning was French and Spanish. English, German, and the rest came long after the city was established, and they settled on the outskirts to the city known as New Orleans. You know about the Louisiana purchase from France when America won its freedom from England...getting too deep into history is important. The French from France known as creole, look up the meaning of the word, acknowledged their black offspring. The French booted out from Canada, are your Cajuns who did not claim their black offspring.
African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.
In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.
Your post is nonsense pseudo history. The Irish were never slaves in America, they were indentured servants, as were many other European nationalities.
@@davidpryle3935 Hello David. The English government used various terms such as rogues, vagabonds, rebels, neutrals, felons, military prisoners, teachers, priests, maidens, etc., to refer to the Irish people they sought to transport. Nevertheless, historians consistently describe them as servants, bondsman, indentured servants, and SLAVES, collectively recognizing them as political victims. The historical truth reveals that the majority of these individuals were subjected to slave-like treatment. After England confiscated their lands, forcing them to leave their ancestral homes and survive by foraging for roots like animals, they faced a dire fate. Kidnapped, herded like cattle, and forcibly placed on waiting ships, they were transported to English colonies in America, forever torn from their homeland. This heart-wrenching episode is often referred to as the "Irish Slave Trade," leaving these unfortunate souls as its victims.
@@IAMABUNDANT888 I’m well aware of what the English government done in Ireland. I’m also aware that over 70 leading accredited academics from Ireland, Britain, and North America, released a letter debunking this Irish slavery myth, and the conflating of indentured servitude with Slavery. Their letter also discusses the very dubious advocates of this Irish slavery myth. It’s easy found, just google Irish slavery myth.
@@davidpryle3935 The Intelligentsia are very good at revising history to suit their agendas. It happens all across the board from Archeology to Anthropology to Religious Studies. You can't trust Wikipedia to tell the whole story, it is heavily edited and censored by the CIA. The "history" they taught me in school is myopic at best, and outright lies in some cases. Documentation of a lot of history that was problematic to the Elites has been systematically obfuscated or destroyed completely. Colloquial evidence like Family Oral Histories can't be universally discredited by a handful of elite scholars saying it's fabricated. Many episodes of American History have been conveniently buried. Perhaps the Irish were not subjected to as much as the proponents of the story of Irish slavery contend, but writing the whole thing off as a false narrative, based on some letter signed by some academics is dismissive and reductionist. Many stories and histories have been changed or hidden from common knowledge. Ever hear of the Ishmaelites? Probably not.
Saying you think America is divided is a understatement. My mother didn’t even know English when she started school, she only spoke French until she started school. It makes me so sad over the past 2 generations they stopped teaching the children in my massive family French from small kids. My parents would speak French upon themselves and friends but wouldn’t speak or teach us French. I truly wish that her and so many other families would have held on to their language, a lot of the culture is still strong in Louisiana my home state. I read on my ancestry that they really didn’t like the French people, so I wonder who the heck did they like? I do know they do have Germans in certain area of my home town, they have a German fest every year. My ancestry came back majority French with a dash of the Portugal/ Canary island and a dash of Italian.. Great video ❤️❤️
I have the same experience with my mom and Slovak ancestry. Her parents didn't teach it to her.I grew up knowing more about the f'ckin english royalty than the villages my mom's folks came from.
Amazing presentation and such a beautiful point.
EXcellent presentation!! You are very gifted.
Excellent video. I believe you are really living your passion on this topic. Keep up the good work.
Irish had a lot of discrimination both in Ireland and the US however they never became white as legally they were always white both in the UK and the US. A lot of racism against the Irish was due to Britain dehumanising them as they wanted to justify their colonising Ireland. English at the time viewed Celts as inferior to Anglo-Saxons. If you look at the census details for your Donnelly ancestor you will see that he was marked as "W" for white on the Census. Many Europeans that came to the US were legally white but they still faced discrimination due to othering i.e. they weren't WASP.
Yes I agree, I thought it was implied by the Cambridge professor’s term “white chimpanzee”. They’re white but even white doesn’t count for white… and around and around…
I don’t think the census is a good gauge to use in determining who was and wasn’t “whíte”. It’s changed many times over the years and people from Mexico were first labeled “whíte”, then not and today some self identify as “whíte”.
Another reason that it isn’t a good gauge to use is because at times ímmigration was limited and they focused on accepting a majority of “whíte” ímmigrants. Which means people had an incentive to say they are “whíte” or be labeled that way even when they weren’t.
It’s also a meaningless classification, especially if they are still going to díscriminate heavily against you. People really misunderstand discriminatíon, who was treated the worst varied by era and which part of the country.
@@GhostSal Well if you don't trust the Census how about this from an article in the Washington Post. "Here are some objective tests as to whether a group was historically considered “white” in the United States: Were members of the group allowed to go to “whites-only” schools in the South, or otherwise partake of the advantages that accrued to whites under Jim Crow? Were they ever segregated in schools by law, anywhere in the United States, such that “whites” went to one school, and the group in question was relegated to another? When laws banned interracial marriage in many states (not just in the South), if a white Anglo-Saxon wanted to marry a member of the group, would that have been against the law? Some labor unions restricted their membership to whites. Did such unions exclude members of the group in question? Were members of the group ever entirely excluded from being able to immigrate to the United States, or face special bans or restrictions in becoming citizens?
If you use such objective tests, you find that Irish, Jews, Italians and other white ethnics were indeed considered white by law and by custom (as in the case of labor unions). Indeed, some lighter-skinned African Americans of mixed heritage “passed” as white by claiming they were of Arab descent and that explained their relative swarthiness, showing that Arab Americans, another group whose “whiteness” has been questioned, were considered white. By contrast, persons of African, Asian, Mexican and Native American descent faced various degrees of exclusion from public schools and labor unions, bans on marriage and direct restrictions on immigration and citizenship."
Also were Protestant Irish considered a different race than Catholic Irish? And no not all Protestant Irish were Scots-Irish either. Even in the UK Irish were Celts i.e. the same category as Scots and Welsh. Irish discrimination was about their Catholicism. For example families that changed their religion from Catholicism to Church of Ireland could keep their land.
It was more about religion. Pushing the church of England and ousting anything rcc. Not racial. Not thThT church was about christ but authority of the kings. Who were Pushing Saxon not original settlers of England. It's always about politics v religion. So an antichrist system tends to push a combination of both. Goal being global eventually.
When the Windrush generation were coming over to the UK in the 1940's-60's, there were signs on houses to rent saying "no blacks, no Irish, no dogs". Hence why both communities in the UK co-mixed for many years as in my family.
I happened to visit Ireland ,north, doing a job at a time when I should have been hated and picked upon by the inhabitants. In contrast to my expectations, I was treated like royalty by those I came in close contact with. There was also a close relationship between Caribbean people and Irish people in my line of work.
@@bridgetown45In Kilburn,North London Irish and Caribbean folk mixed freely, my sis RIP lived there for many happy years...best wishes from the wirral peninsula,bounded by the mersey and the Dee and the Irish sea...geography and rhyme...native of Limavady now an adopted son of Birkenhead..E
I watched this video in preparation for a presentation on intergenerational trauma in people of Irish descent. It got me thinking about my roots as an Italian/Irish American. I received a message of shame from both sides of the family and welcome challenging those messages and embracing the inherent worth of all people. You did an excellent job!
thank you for being on the journey with me. I am so proud of what our ancestors did
Thank you for your insightful work.
The Irish brigade were a proud Union battalion fighting for the North taking some of the heaviest losses of the civil war (Gettysburg)They were Celtic catholic. The Scots Irish were more often fighting for slavery in the south. The Irish Catholics solidified themselves as abolitionists and helped turn the tide of the war for the northern Union army.
They had the highest losses because they were sent into the fight first. And thus became cannon fodder.
The Confederacy had a few things going for them at the time. Chief among them was that the Confederacy was fighting a defensive war.
Anytime you attack a fortified defensive position your going to lose more troops. And the proper white people who disliked the Irish would send them in first. Because they rather lose 2 Irish men than to lose one proper white man. Ie someone from England or other countries of Europe.
Not all Irish immigrants faced discrimination. It was only when Irish immigrants were primarily Roman Catholic that anti-Irish sentiment rose to prominence. The discrimination was entirely based upon religion not ethnicity.
a good point, there is more nuance to this for sure
Irish people have always been Roman Catholic, since the time of St Patrick
Strange that as Patrick was part of the Celtic Church and not Roman
Ireland doesn’t come under the rule of Rome until after the synod of Whitby.
Maewyn Succat was only renamed Saint Patrick many years after his death because Rome didn’t recognise the Celtic Church and said it had no Patriarch ( Patrick ) in actual fact his name was used as a figurehead but other bishops of Ireland did a lot more for Christianity than Patrick. Saint Colomba was probably the most influential.
Thank you so much for this work. My father's bloodline has the Irish green eyes whenever they get ticked off. That bloodline veas clear back in the 19 century, but still evident in what should have been his last name, Bailey. We ended up with his maternal grandfather's neme, Sewell, instead. Very black, very indigenous, and the Irish got sprinkled in.
This video was quite an enjoyable presentation on a continually devastating history and habit of our nation. Either we learn and grow, together, or we no longer deserve this world.
Thank you.
I'm intrigued that you claim green eyes are Irish.
Anyway I've got those. Its seemed central to my self identity all my life for some weird reason.
Maybe our next races will be by eye color?
Why not.
Ursula K Leguin did this. In City of Illusions she had a lost man of a race that looked like everyone else. Except he had yellow eyes. They treated him badly because his eye color unnerved them.
@@c.rutherford I’d say that eye color shouldn’t be the next racial line bc like y’all, I’ve got green eyes; we make up 2% of the population, fellas. We’re getting annihilated lmao.
@@bendover9813 I'm technically 'hazel' green so I could help us bridge an alliance w/the brown eyes. We need it! And reparations checks would be nice. As a small minority our people have suffered. $10K apiece would be a good start.
Also there's a subliminal tape by Mindvellous I saw online "Get Hazel Eyes Fast". OMG it was fast 🥂
Nah they are def not brown, now that I see em.
I don't care what they say online... I can't do covert/spy work. They will pick me off asap lol
Thanks for your series of videos. They make me wonder why the British colonist were so anti Others. Did it have anything to do with their origins or their own criminal past??? Really wish someone could explain that too.
I Keep Watching and Learning Keep Teaching.
Love to see the comments... Literally both the Irish and the Italians were granted "white" status to prevent them from aligning themselves with the Blacks.
We live under a caste system, maybe a little more complex than India, but still the same.
We'll never get anywhere in the US until we all understand that there are inherent benefits to being "white" just as there are to being tall or attractive.
Beauty standards are set by whites as well lol
The Irish did not support slavery. I have family who are of Irish descent who lived in America last name McAvoy who fought for the union against slavery.
Love your work. Thanks for exploring.
You should read the book, "Whence the Black Irish of Jamaica." These were the black Irish that were removed from Ireland during the 1500's.
I’m glad that you shed some light on this history because this is the forgotten parts of American history people don’t study in school. As ugly as her history can be sometimes though, I feel like there needs to be a discussion about valuing people for who they are as a person right now. All this debate keeps going on about things that happened in the past, but no one is talking about having good character as a person and rising up to be better than the past and caring about our neighbors no matter what they look like. I wish we could start a trend were we will value good character a little more
I really can’t stand when people say stop playing victim when it comes to racism while continuously perpetuating racism that makes people victims, it’s like beating the sh*t out of someone everyday and expecting them like it and not cry out and pain and not complain this is how American racism is, I can be racist to you, treat you unfairly, discriminate against you, treat you worst than animals but you don’t get to be upset or play victim and it really gets my blood boiling with rage, you don’t want anyone “playing victim” stop being a violent racist disgusting vile pos then there won’t be any need to “play victim” it’s gaslighting at its finest for entitled people with a superiority complex who think they can do whatever they want to people with no pushback or accountability whatsoever and one of the things I absolutely hate about america and americans, this country heavily perpetuates racism but refuses to admit and take accountability but instead tries to erase it hence where we are today, divided and with lots of racist hostility, when you don’t learn from your past and grow it’s bound to repeat itself but this time around it won’t be same cause people ain’t gonna just roll over and take it like in the past but fight back, idk where this country is headed or what it’s future is gonna like but right now it ain’t looking good and it’s just cause of racism that’s one of the many problems currently wrong with america we don’t want address and it may cost us big in the future, I used to have pride in america but these days I do not, I don’t like it here very much for a number of reasons but maybe with the help of the younger generation we can course correct america back in the right direction, idk we’ll see and that’s my 20 cents
"I can be racist to you, treat you unfairly, discriminate against you, treat you worst than animals but you don’t get to be upset or play victim and it really gets my blood boiling with rage, you don’t want anyone “playing victim” stop being a violent racist disgusting vile pos then there won’t be any need to “play victim” it’s gaslighting at its finest for entitled people with a superiority complex who think they can do whatever they want to people with no pushback or accountability whatsoever and one of the things I absolutely hate about america and Americans, this country heavily perpetuates racism but refuses to admit and take accountability but instead tries to erase it" - who precisely is this directed towards?
Sorry but no, white people whom don't know their struggle, whom have been told they can never know their struggle should not be expected to immediately sympathize with someone complaining about privilege. Most white people didn't know what was going on especially in the 60's when the real damage was being done to the black family. Its not white peoples fault that they where not a target of oppression by their government, its not their fault that they didn't stop something from occurring that they where not aware of. They literally pit us against one another with targeted propaganda and media coverage to cast black people in a certain kind of light. Do you think the average American in 1980 new what the section 80 was and how it was so harmful to the black community?
Your assumption that anyone who doesn't know any better and expresses it is automatically a "violent, racist and disgusting vile POS" is part of that problem. Maybe its just an honest HUMAN reaction to being incorrectly blamed for an entire communities 400 struggle against oppression.
From my own experience most people don't want to erase it, they just don't want to teach our children and future generations that the sins of SOME white people in the past are to be paid by people whom didn't do anything to anyone and probably are not even decedents of American slave owners. While teaching black folks that the most their problems and short comings comes at their expense for a white persons privilege. White folk didn't benefit from the destruction and disfunction of the black family. The federal government and the corporations did. Period.
Please get help. Your association with anyone who doesn't agree with you as having a superiority complex only leads to further divide.
sounds like 2 cents
America is the least racist country on Earth and I say this as a European, you live in fantasy la la land. It's easy to virtue signal about problems but do you have any actual solution? Throwing your arms and telling people to "stop being racist" never worked and will never work. Racism is inevitable because at it's core, it's just a form of tribalism.
@@randomuruk7230 seems like other places discriminate more based on religion or ethnicity vs race, like in America
We can't go back. We have to go forward.
This channel is brilliant. Thank you for your videos.
Wow this made my day 😭 thanks so much
I like your presentations. Well made and presented.
Thank you so much!
Your research helps me put my own family genealogy into perspective. On my mother's side, the Irish arrived around or before 1700 and married into Dutch New Yorker and English families. Whatever difficulties the Catholic Irish faced when my dad's side immigrated, it has to pale in comparison to the prospect of starving to death in the homeland. But how sad that the largest **race riot** in the United States (let's call it what it is) was perpetrated by white people in New York City. I know people were scared of sending their sons to war, or losing their jobs and living to newly freed slaves, but setting fire to orphanages and the other atrocities that happened... just sickening.
I hope you find that marriage record. At this point I have a feeling they married under a different name or a completely different place than you imagine. I found a baptismal record of an Irish ancestor FIVE YEARS before his alleged birth. I know it's the same parents and the right child because of the town and the maiden name of the mother, the witnesses etc and there is not another child of the same name born after (sometimes in my English lines, they're attached to the name Elihu or whatever so if the first dies, the next boy is Elihu etc etc). The Irish had to pay taxes on their children in Ireland so they'd sure baptize 'em right away, but maybe not tell the authorities about them until they toddled. I see the same distrust after the Irish immigrated here, and my great-great-grandmother's tombstone is off by about a year. All that to say... that record of yours is out there... somewhere, under a different place, name or time. Don't give up!! 😃
There were local crop failures in Ireland through the 1840s. The island-wide famine occurred in 1849. The famine caused a halving of the population of Ireland, from 8 to 4 million, starvation or immigration.
"The English" were not to blame. The dynamics of the crop failure, potato blight, were not understood. The "welfare state" responsible for the well-being of the citizens, did not yet exist. For an understanding of how "the English" lived in 1850, read or watch Charles Dickens "A Christmas Carol."
The draft riots in New York during the Civil War, were a response to the following: anyone with $8.00 could buy an exemption from the draft. Blacks were exempt from the draft. That left poor Irish, with barely ten years in to country, to feed the meat grinder. Wives and children were left behind to fend for themselves. Blacks and Irish lived in the same poor areas. Desperate, left-behind wives were preyed on by black men, or so it was believed.
My Famine Irish ancestors lived in Pennsylvania during the Civil War. When I visit the Civil War era cemeteries, at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, I am sickened by the high proportion of Irish names on the "Pennsylvania" monuments.
@@jonlenihan4798 I'm pretty sure I would have been a Copperhead back in the day myself, but the newly immigrated Irish were expected to send their men to war just as the families who have been here a while would have. I could understand bad feeling about this for those newly-arrived to the US. Some of these unfair exemptions to conscription you cited continued through the Vietnam War (as the song goes, I ain't no Senator's son...). IMO that is a separate argument from how well or poorly the Irish were treated here. That is a class, not race/culture thing yk?
I think the whole not drafting black people during the Civil War was bluntly more about not trusting them enough to give them deadly weapons than about protecting them or being kind. Notice that toward the end of the war there were "US Colored Troops" though. I have a great-granduncle who actually served as a Colonel in these troops in Louisiana. He was white. :)
@@JaneAtwellRobinson1825NY The Civil War was the worst conflict in US history, with 750,000 dead out of a total US population of 33 million. World War 2, the next-worst conflict incurred 400,000 deaths out of a total US population of 132 million. Being drafted in 1860 was no small matter. Likely that the Irish of 1860 felt like they had no dog in the fight.
Did you know England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.
@@IAMABUNDANT888 Did you know that the so-called "Irish slaves' were actually Indentured servants? There were plenty of similarities between the two forms of labor, but there were PLENTY of differences...
I'm Sicilian and Irish, and French and English too...our families appear to have similar immigrant experiences. Keep up the good work!
I'm sure there are a lot of black people here in the US that have European ancestry get it from the Irish since they've live around each other at some point. I have a great great great great grandfather that's Irish.
Prolly cuz them Irish Boys love the sistas.
Seneca Village is one example of Irish and black people living side by side
Yeh rape
I love your video, being a black man born & raised in America, I’ve had love for many ethnicities and cultures including the Irish but to know they were under racist propaganda just like us is wild especially when SOME bought into it. I know all Irish didn’t hate blacks but the divide and conquer is realer than real.
I have Irish heritage. It is a shame the what the Irish suffered. The history of my ancestors who were slaves is under threat of being erased/cancelled by those with racist agendas.
Great video ,well expressed! Just to clarify it could be argued that there were THREE main groups in Ireland .
First the majority (and generally most oppressed) Catholic who were generally the oldest stock .
The Anglo-Irish who were of mainly English upper class descent and who were like a privileged Cast who made up the Landlord Class as well as many privileged positions generally .
Their Church, which would be called Episcopalian in the US ,was the Established Church under the Crown and recognized the British Monarch as its head.
The group often called Scots-Irish in the US were usually Presbyterian and were descended from mainly Scottish Settlers in Ulster, who were settled there by the Crown to displace the natives.
They were a less privileged group compared to the Anglo-Irish.
Each group has its own experience and history.
While the Anglicans/Episcopalian and Presbyterians were both Protestants, the latter were also discriminated against under the sectarian Penal Laws.
Although they still enjoyed many advantages over the Catholic majority ,most weren't as privileged as the Anglicans/Episcopalians. They also had a more troubled relationship with heir Catholic neighbors.
As a result many settled the American Colonies to flee conditions in Ireland .
One of the big ironies of Irish History is that the Presbyterians were leading figures in late 18th Century Revolutionary movements against the Crown . Something would surprise even many of them nowadays.
You, as your great grandmother, grandfather are beautiful intelligent people,trailblazers for their time,you are that living proof of their love of family, life,God bless all. 😇🇺🇸😇🇨🇮
Another excellent video; all of those races mentioned in this video are part of my heritage and genealogy. Many of us are "multi-racial".
Pretty much all of us are multi racial
I love you're channel. My mom was always thought to be white and turned out she has Shawnee Indian heritage. My dads dad, my grandpa was thought to be just eastern European turns out he was jewish. And both my grandmas where part irish
Excellent. Well done.
Excellent work well done keep it up 💯
Thank you! Cheers!
I read somewhere that the Irish who were protestant had a easier time when moving to America. My GGG Grandparents certainly did. James Fitzmaurice Towel and Seva (Nickname for Sarah) Catherine Greene came to the US around the same time, as did many of their relatives. James immigrated to the US, landing in Staten Island. His life story (We call it “The Diary”) says he moved to Oxford where he studied - and met his wife to be. He says he arrived in Oxford 1842. Long story short, he moved “Out West” to Portsmouth, Ohio to teach. He and Seva married in 1849 at Clifton, Staten Island NY by James’ brother, Thomas. They settled in Portsmouth, Ohio. They moved to Los Angeles, CA in 1886, after the Civil War, which James refers to as “the slave controversy”. James and many other family members (his daughter’s in-laws) helped start the Los Angeles Times. He died in 1905 and is buried with 40+ family members at Angelus Rosedale Cemetery in Los Angeles. The oldest relative buried there is one of Seva’s Aunts, Katherine Deane Heath. Katherine’s husband, John Heath, died in New Orleans but that’s all we know about him. (SO many questions!)
@Andy DeJoseph I’ve never heard that term in my family. Some ancestors came from Ireland, some came from Scotland (and other countries) but nobody has ever used the term Scots-Irish.
@Andy DeJoseph Seems stupid today but people will always find another reason not to like new immigrants. Funny how they forget that their own ancestors came from other lands…
Protestant Irish we’re often not considered Irish. They were originally British citizens given land in Ireland to solidify Britains’s colonization of Ireland. That’s why you have Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland and a war between the two that lasted well into the 20th century.
@@towanda1067 So perhaps the last name was English. I’ve never been able to find it as a Irish name.
Your relatives would have been Anglo Irish ...ie English ... They were the ruling class in Ireland given the stolen big houses and farms of the Native Irish ........as a result rich and monied and power......Those whom emigrated mainly went to the Colonies ...many becoming plantation owners within that colony.....and unfortunately with that and along side the working class Scots Irish ...ie English /Scottish ..people thought Irish were slave owners , outliers etc where as in fact they were just repeating the overtaking of owning of the next colony as previously had done in Ireland.
It would be interesting also for you to open up concerning how unjustly the Filipinos and other Pacific Islanders were treated after the US colonized the Philippines after falsely promising them to aid in their independence. This should be done to expose the actual history that is usually brushed aside and to make people aware of the dark past and be a reminder that xenophobia is generally a bad thing regardless of who is in the receiving end.
Everyone colonized the philipines at one time or another plus it can not be that difficult for them to come in country they are everywhere in medical field they have no quota like the irish on visas
Yes that'd be good. Small correction though, Filipinos aren't Pacific Islanders.
Here in our creaking but still functioning NHS in the UK are blessed to have staff from the Philippines...😊😊
Philippines is still colonized today.
Lol
When my grandfather came over from the Philippines in the 1920's to study art ( he ran away from a Seminary) he ended up picking vegetables in the Central valley and they had signs on the restaurants saying "no dogs or Filipinos". He did become an artist! On my mother's side I am Irish ( Malone) so I'm sure those anscestors experienced similar discrimination.
Hey Danielle I’m very happy you researched this and the Italian post since I’m both, dads side Irish and mom’s was Italian/English mix so it’s very informative to learn some of this, I had heard my dad reading his great grandfather’s diary describing his journey from Ireland. Thanks again.
Great show
My family's surname is Irish but we're only slightly Irish, my dad is darker being 25% Cuban and 25-12% Blackfoot yet he has a little red in his beard and it reminded me of what you said about ethnic traits being able to pop up out of nowhere.
Red hair ≠ Irish
His red hair could be from his Spanish ancestry
@Andy DeJoseph Most Irish don't even have red hair so I'm saying it could very well come from their Spanish ancestry. I'm Irish
@Andy DeJoseph only 10% of Irish have it. The point is it could come from either population as Spaniards can have red hair too.
I have come across several different times while researching that the typical Irish phenotype was tall stature, dark hair, blue eyes, and pale skin. I know throughout history inhabitants of Ireland, Scotland, and Wales had quite a bit of immigration back and forth due to Invasions but before that we came from the same Celtic stock. Ireland was mainly left untouched by the invasions. Ireland had immigrants from what is now called Spain but they were not technically “Spanish”. They were mostly Muslims from Western Asia and Middle East. They fled to Ireland due to Roman invasion and over time they integrated into what we now call Irish. The Anglicans, Saxons, and Normans, and Romans integrated with most of the native Celts of Britain. Some Celts did not wish to conform to different ways of life and they fled to What is now Scotland, Wales, and Brittany. They eventually became individualized enough to have their own specific traditions and languages which were all still Celtic in origin and they’re the only places that still have people that speak those specific dialects of Breton, Welsh, Scottish Gaelic and they all derived from the original Irish language. What’s strange is that none of the dialects can understand each other or communicate effectively together. The “White” term eventually comes from what is now England.
I think a lot of us would be surprised about what ethnicities we all possibly have in our blood… I remember feeling different just because of my “nappy hair” as my best friend’s mother would say.
What does nappy hair mean?
Great vlog sharing Irish treatment experienced.
I recall when asking my grandmother about her history her reply was “why do you want to know about the old country, we are here in this country now”.
I felt they wanted to forget about it and put it behind them due to being embarrassed about where they came from and having an accent that gave them away as foreigners when they attempted to assimilate here.
I would question the idea of embarrassment and think more along the line of painful memories, we are a proud people.
Great video!
Thank you for that very thoughtful and informative intelligent analysis.
Thank you, Mike. I hope to delve more into my Irish side soon!
I did have one African American paternal great grandfather(Born in 1874),who worked on the docks in Baltimore in the late 19th to early 20th century. There he had the honor of befriending both former Union and Confederate soldiers.And in particular the former Union soldiers told him that the Union Generals specifically told any new conscripts that their mission was the PRESERVATION OF THE UNION. NOT THE FREEING OF THE SLAVES. THAT IF THE SLAVES ARE FREED AS THE RESULT OF A UNION VICTORY SO BE IT.This was heavily emphasized, especially after the various draft riots around the country. The former Union soldiers believed that the civilian population mistakenly believed that the cause of the CIVIL WAR was solely over the issue of Slavery. They did not understand that when the Confederate states voted to secede from the Union, that that within itself was considered by the federal government a grievous and dangerous offense. That the Confederate states had way more grievances against the federal government other than Slavery. So although Lincoln was willing to compromise by allowing Slavery to remain in the States where it already existed but not allow its expansion, the Confederate States still voted for secession.What remarkable insights given to my great grandfather around the issue of the CIVIL WAR from the former Confederate soldiers is another story for another time.
north wanted taioffs against england,republicans were party of protectism not freeing the slaves.
Of course there were more issues than slavery in the Civil War but slavery was a big part of the war. Slavery was a large part of the economy in the South. You can also tell how important slavery was because before the Civil War there had to be a balance of slave states and "free" states and territories admitted to the USA.
@@Catlily5 I agree.I just believe that the final straw was when the Confederate states had voted to secede from the Union.The Federal government could not allow that to happen under any circumstances.The former Union soldiers that befriended my great grandfather often said that if the still growing country had broken apart,it would have devastated the growing US economy because it would have blocked strategic ports for the transport of goods across the nation.It would have stymied the continued Westward expansion.Would two separate nations then cause the powers of the day to take sides? Diluting American sphere of influence in their own backyard.And overall the institution of Slavery did benefit the overall US economy.Not just the South.It was indeed a lucrative enterprise for nearly 250 years.Especially off the duties collected by the federal government off the revenues.Keep in mind also that the last thing Lincoln wanted to do was spill blood over a people who at that time time were not considered fully human.As one Former Union soldier told him.A new conscript once asked his commanding officer,"Shall I then be required to give my life for that of a cow,or a chicken,or pig,or horse?For surely are they not of more value than a slave?".Which is why from the Union point of view,the emphasis had to be put on the PRESERVATION OF THE UNION FIRST AND FOREMOST.There is no doubt that the issue of Slavery had to be dealt with at some point anyway.It was a changing landscape on the global scale as well.Lincoln recognized that the world powers of the day were switching more to predominantly industrial societies with an agriculture mix.Therefore Slavery had served its useful purpose for at least laying the foundation and infrastructure for the growing nation.Acording to both Union Generals and soldiers,not only was Lincoln willing to compromise by allowing the Slavery to remain in the States where it already existed.But to compensate the Plantation owners once the gradual phasing out of the institution of Slavery was to take place.Also Lincoln preferred that peaceful transition because now free slave labor was beginning to encroach upon the Industrial sector within the border states.While at the same time there was an increase of European immigration to the United States.How could European immigrants then compete against Slave labor?But then a CIVIL WAR would just interrupt the economy at a crucial time in the Nation's history.I just believe that our educational curriculum cannot take short cuts when it just says Slavery was the most important issue as to the causes of the CIVIL WAR.And then dismiss other reasons by not explaining it in its entire and proper context.I only say this because up to my parents generation (1929&1930) it was often implied if not spoken that their ancestors were themselves responsible for the CIVIL WAR.And all of the death and the carnage as a result of it.Simply because of being told that it was solely fought to free enslaved people.So in a way an unimaginable guilt trip was laid on a people.And was the reason why so much hatred and resentment upon the newly freed people and their descendants.Not only in the South.But the North as well.Which explains way there was never any attempts on a societal level for truth, reconciliation and healing for a people. Because it was believed that they were the one's responsible.So they deserved nothing.No welcome embrace into a free society.No empathy.
Lol, the Irish always were White and that’s ok!
I am only the second generation born off of the boat from Ireland. My great grandfather was involved with the Easter Uprising in 1916, and when everything fell apart over there, he and a few other family members fled to the US to avoid capture from authorities sent by the Crown. My grandfather was only ten years old at the time.
Dull- My tippary family came too new zealand in 1820 so the 1840- 1845 spud hell does not affect us.- we cross bred into all kinds off breeds including negros and savages. and Germens too. - hav kin who look like Micheal jackson. - as dads family had 11 kids ahh can not keep upp with all the kin on that side
Great work. Thank you.
well spoken and done, thank you
The Irish should get reparations. Not only were there treated like slaves and sold as indentured servants, they fought in a civil war and gained nothing. Many lost a lot of family in the civil war.
You left out a very important detail about The Great Hunger unless you get to it later.
The invaders and occupiers made it illegal for Irish people to grow anything other than potatoes for their own consumption ON THEIR OWN LAND!
So when the blight hit all they had was potatoes.
Except they didn't have those either.
Oh my gosh, I missed that entirely. 😫 How evil
Oh my! Persecution bordering on genocide by governmental policy.
It was not illegal to grow food other than potatoes on your own land. It's just that anti-catholic laws made it difficult for catholics to own or inherit land (the Penal Laws) and potatoes were the ideal crop for small plots of land that people could live on or rent as you could live off a small area. This created both a population growth and a dependency which combined with an uncaring foreign government meant catastrophe for the huge numbers of poor people when the crop failed two years in a row. There is a lot of exaggeration (and lies) about the famine, especially online. The truth is cruel and grim and needs no embellishments.
@@sean_d
I know what my great-grandparents and my grandparents told me who were living there when it happened and the internet didn't exist 🤦🏻♀️
@@sean_d
Also it was not an 'uncaring foreign government' but rather evil invaders, conquerors, and occupiers who had a vested interest (caring) in the outcome
Honestly as an American of Slavic, Eastern European, and Irish ancestry, I was waiting for this video. Before folks criticize movements like the land back movement or BLM, it’s best you remember you were once oppressed too. Solidarity, and I hope a video on Slavic Americans becoming white comes out soon
I would love to delve into that. I actually double majored in US history and Russian studies way back when in undergrad.
@@nytn based. Would definitely love a story on this. Before folks criticize minority movements just remember you were just as hated as them not too long ago
@@slavyslav That's the system. Let me know what you think I should cover in that video, It will require a lot more research I think
@@nytn probably the red scare and the association of communism and “mongol barbarity” that the us and Nazi germany associated with Slavs following the Russian revolution , although anti slavism has been a mainstay in america and Western Europe for much longer. It should be noted germany considered them as inferior as Jews during ww2, and communists and soviet citizens were deliberately targeted for being “unstermenche” like the Jews war.
As for the US, multiple purges and persecutions against Slavs started and continued in different periods from the late 19th century throughout the Cold War due to multiple red scares and the association of Eastern Europe with communism, Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy (they were also hated from the 1890s-1930ish for not being Protestant and for the same reasons the Irish were hated), and overall uncleanliness and lack of civility, as one article at the time wrote that “a Slav could live in dirt that would kill a white man”
Sorry if that’s a lot, it should just give you a general idea of what to study. In short, look up their association with socialism and labor movements, their religious affiliations, and seemingly backwards way of life considering Eastern Europe was third world up until the 1950s
Carrying around crazy sounding last names.
This is a great video. Not only do we get a quick history lesson, we are left with some food for thought
A really interesting video. As a kid when I asked my parents where our ancestors came from I remember hearing that same answer said in a way that made me think my parents were mad at me, "We're American," and it really made me feel disconnected from everyone else during school projects when everyone was bringing in food and sharing traditional clothing from all their culture. I assumed maybe we were just English but that it was too far back and left it at that, but as an adult I've been able to trace my lineage on paper back to Ireland. My great grandparents were from Kiltimagh, their graves are apparently there, and they even spoke Irish according to their paper documents. I'm Melungeon on the other side of my family which also included Irish and Scottish ancestors primarily.
Good video. One line of my family comes from Raloo Balloo Parish , Lower Belfast Barony , Antrim County , Ulster Province , Ireland. They had moved South after that child was born, finding out that the province was mainly Protestant, they were Catholics. I'm proud of that heritage, just as I am my English heritage. Most of my lineage is in the British Isles. I did a lot of study on the Irish Potato Famine because I included a story of a family caught up in that awful time in one of my novels. It was so sad to think that people lived that way and were turned out by landlords who had taken everything from the family before evicting them with no place and no money to go. In the fictional family, the older children took the younger to America, the baby, then the mother died of famine. The father buried both, then, talking to a friend (who was an angel) he told him that "I know you're an angel, and you couldn't even save them. Even God hates the Irish" before he slit his own throat over the graves.
I cried writing that story, knowing that some of my own family went through those times. Then they encountered the "No Irish Need Apply" bigotry. They moved west, to Illinois, then to Iowa. They began to thrive out west and have lived good lives for a few generations now.
Very interesting history of Irish people in America. I've often wondered if America would ever become a "melting pot" of people of varying races and nationalities. 💡
Scot Irish are Northern Irish who were pushed out of Scotland into Northern Ireland by authoritarians of The British Royals .That is the divide of the Protestant's and Catholics that still goes on but nothing like it got in the 1970s when they actually invented the car bomb out of the frustration of fighting The Royal Army and N Ireland is still Officially British .. Scot Irish were the first wave of Irish that went to North America and settled in Virginia and Carolina before it was North and South Carolina during the 1600s long before the Potato Blight 1840s that caused sudden famine and caused more Irish immigration to America . .Look at your $20 USD note, it is Andrew Jackson 7th .President of The US and Scot Irish and a man that would cut you down fast if you messed with him and never lost a fight.. He ended the fighting of The British and Americans in The Battle of New Orleans when he was a General of the US Military January 8, 1815[ ..
Also not all Scots Irish were Protestant. There was also Highlanders that went to Northern Ireland and maintained their Catholic religion. Also people like Gerry Adams and Bobby Sands actually descend from Planter stock but became Catholic due to intermarriage with Irish Catholics. If you're interested read about Sorley Boy McDonnell.
@@jackieblue1267 It is never 100 percent either way but a fast generalization about what and how it was at the time ..I am aware of Bobby and Gerry and the prisoners on both sides and how weird it got inside of them. Are you from there or US ?
@@VIDSTORAGE I'm Irish born but my parents went to Australia when I was a young child. I've been back to Ireland quite a few times as I still have a lot of family there.
I read that the Scots-Irish were not Celtic, but English people stuck in between England and Scotland.
The famine was created by the British, the British government having forced the Irish to grow ONLY POTATOES due to the growing demand for potato export. I just read the book, "Confessions of a Pagan Nun," and that book is a mind-blowing account of the early forced conversion to catholicism in the 4th-6th centuries. Highly recommend!
Thank you and keep the information coming itt is greatly appreciated
I have always respected each group’s contribution to our country and the world. However, without minimizing their plight, I would like to gently point out that though the Irish, the Italians, the Jewish populations and even groups of “white passing” did indeed face systemic racism; they could simply go in and out of their communities without opening up their mouths. Whereas there is no mistaking a black person who has no mixed race ancestry…….
I am just being real and respectfully sensitive. We do need to talk about their plight too. But remember, those groups willingly came to America whereas Africans did not. And to put other willing European migrants in the same tragic American story is minimizing what human beings went through during their capture from their homes, sold into bondage for generations, finally receiving their rights to be “free” to only face Jim Crow where some of the European Migrants participated in.
To quote the Holocaust anthem “never forget”….
Thank you, I'm glad somebody knows.
My great-grandparents came from Ireland to Canada in search of a better life, they had a relative who apparently said he'd set them up with a wonderful home. But it turns out he lied, they lived in a barn-shaped house the first couple years of their life. Very poor and they unfortunately had very troubled lives, but what's most important is they all came out very strong. My great-uncle has stories from being a kid that anytime he got in trouble he was forced to sit around first-nations kids and grouped in with them, who also faced heavy discrimination back then.
The Irish are Canaanites too.
Very interesting channel.