Again, an excellent discourse. I was not a comics reader, but the character concepts still sunk in with me, and your comments make me wonder whether DC ever saw their superheroes as people or "aliens/entities" who might possibly exist, and go from there.
In pre-planning for Crisis, DC hired an ace indexer to index the superhero titles back to day one. This was to aid the writers, and then they killed all the continuity this was a record for! They could had made serious coin on the super index, but DC can be pretty lame on business decisions. On Quora, I observed to Elliot Magin that the only one who really died because of Crisis was E Nelson Bridwell the old school master of DC continuity.
Minute 10: 48 "Superman not only revealed his identity to Lois Lane after 50 years of hiding it from her. But they also got married." --In the post crisis era, Clark Kent dated Lois Lane. They eventually became engaged to be married. Clark could not continue to lie to Lois about him being Superman. One night Clark showed up in her apartment. He calmly opened his shirt and revealed he was Superman. They had a calm conversation about it with Lois' cat sitting on the couch watching them. --In the New 52 version, Lois suspected Clark was Superman so she ripped open his shirt to find out he was wearing his Superman outfit underneath. She was screaming at Clark the whole time.
Not sure of this take. N52 Superman was quite good AS it goes along. He was somewhat brash early on, but he learns to make friends, starts seeing himself as a human more so than some Alien, helps people to the point of dying for humanity. The Batman/Superman stuff was excellent, same as the Geoff Johns run where he tries to help Ulysses even as he tries to destroy humanity.
The first 35 issues of new 52 Wonder Woman were fantastic, with great Cliff Chaing art and a kind of mythic Vertigo-ish take on her world. I seriously wonder if you read it at all, as your description was soooo far off. It did offend WW purists and feminists who felt retconning her as the daughter of Zeus was a wrong move. Superman in the New 52 was truly horrible. And I fully agree with how well Rebirth Superman and family worked until comic book “giant” Brain Michael Bendis came along and destroyed it
If I hadn't read that New 52 Wonder Woman run, I wouldn't have talked about it. My description wasn't off at all. You're in error about its quality. As whatever the hell it was, it might have been good, but as Wonder Woman, it stank.
Again, an excellent discourse. I was not a comics reader, but the character concepts still sunk in with me, and your comments make me wonder whether DC ever saw their superheroes as people or "aliens/entities" who might possibly exist, and go from there.
The New 52 was when I tried getting into DC. That was short lived.
I'm still scarred. Nightmares.😢
In pre-planning for Crisis, DC hired an ace indexer to index the superhero titles back to day one. This was to aid the writers, and then they killed all the continuity this was a record for! They could had made serious coin on the super index, but DC can be pretty lame on business decisions. On Quora, I observed to Elliot Magin that the only one who really died because of Crisis was E Nelson Bridwell the old school master of DC continuity.
Minute 10: 48 "Superman not only revealed his identity to Lois Lane after 50 years of hiding it from her. But they also got married."
--In the post crisis era, Clark Kent dated Lois Lane. They eventually became engaged to be married. Clark could not continue to lie to Lois about him being Superman. One night Clark showed up in her apartment. He calmly opened his shirt and revealed he was Superman. They had a calm conversation about it with Lois' cat sitting on the couch watching them.
--In the New 52 version, Lois suspected Clark was Superman so she ripped open his shirt to find out he was wearing his Superman outfit underneath. She was screaming at Clark the whole time.
This is all for the fear of the public domain.
Not sure of this take. N52 Superman was quite good AS it goes along. He was somewhat brash early on, but he learns to make friends, starts seeing himself as a human more so than some Alien, helps people to the point of dying for humanity.
The Batman/Superman stuff was excellent, same as the Geoff Johns run where he tries to help Ulysses even as he tries to destroy humanity.
For someone that wants to get into comics , should I go to the 80s era and start there ? Marvel and DC .
You could certainly do worse!
@@saintdonoghue I’m just waiting for the new Kobo color e-reader to come out, and I’ll get some comics .
I would start with 60s Marvel and 80s DC.
Superman: Unchained was a good series. Better than his other New 52 comics.
The first 35 issues of new 52 Wonder Woman were fantastic, with great Cliff Chaing art and a kind of mythic Vertigo-ish take on her world. I seriously wonder if you read it at all, as your description was soooo far off. It did offend WW purists and feminists who felt retconning her as the daughter of Zeus was a wrong move.
Superman in the New 52 was truly horrible. And I fully agree with how well Rebirth Superman and family worked until comic book “giant” Brain Michael Bendis came along and destroyed it
If I hadn't read that New 52 Wonder Woman run, I wouldn't have talked about it. My description wasn't off at all. You're in error about its quality. As whatever the hell it was, it might have been good, but as Wonder Woman, it stank.