I was present twice with the vet. First time it was really bad because after the second injection my cat had a bad reaction he was shacking and trembling. Horror to watch for me. Second cat I went to my regular vet the other one was during the night I talked about my concerns and i wasn't sure i can stand the procedure and she explained to me that the second injection must be done in a certain way that nothing bad happens to the animal. She was super nice and at the end it was a real peaceful process. I am so thankful that she took my fear away otherwise i never would picked up a pet anymore.
In Ireland, we know that the Guilford 4 and the Birmingham 6 would all have been executed had the death penalty been allowed in the UK at that time. Every one of them was innocent. Revenge is no basis for law.
While I agree with you re: innocence cases, I think advocates would call the death penalty Retributive Justice rather than Revenge. An execution by the state, the logic goes, prevents cycles of revenge/vigilante action/feuds. The family of a murdered child is not permitted to lynch the murderer, but must ask the State to punish him on their behalf. I'm not sure which would have been worse, the state executing the Guilford 4 unjustly, or the public lynching them. Horrific either way.
Considering the spread of the for-profit prison system, I’m amazed anyone is put to death in this country. And no one should be, if only because the appeals process costs taxpayers so much money. But also because if one person is above the law, then the entire population should be free of prosecution. 😺✌️
Yep. So do these titles… Berlin Alexanderplatz Les Enfants terribles The sound and the fury Look Homeward, Angel A Farewell to Arms A High Wind in Jamaica The Dain Curse Red Harvest
The original LRB black death article was written by Prof Hugh Pennington, who has been one of the UKs foremost bacteriologists. I don't think he would be a covid denier.
While I am not myself Catholic, the work of Sister Helen Prejean against the death penalty in the United States has had a profound impact on my position. In the end, I simply do not trust the police enough to allow for state-sanctioned killing. Many of those on death row now have convictions that predate modern DNA analysis, rely on discredited techniques (blood spatter and fiber analysis, say), or are based on very little physical evidence. In the era of body cameras, some law enforcement officers already choose to disable or block video capture at critical moments, or to selectively release clips to shape public opinion. As deepfakes get cheaper and better, can we really trust the police to be honest enough... and skeptical enough? The public is no better - the crowdsourced hunt for the perpetrators of the Boston bombing scapegoated several innocents. Ultimately, the marathon bomber committed his crime before prevalent deepfakes but after the advent of high quality surveillance video. That window of clarity, I fear, will be too brief. And structural issues in criminal justice mean that it will be a long, long time before I trust police to properly interpret even the most "indisputable" modern evidence. Until the system is deeply reformed, we can't logically discuss whether the state should kill the truly guilty. The state should NOT kill innocents, but it has and it does. That's harm enough.
The case of the Boston Marathon bomber is a compelling argument in favor of the death penalty. Though even that case is complicated by the perpetrator's young age. On the other hand, I heard a devastating account of a father wrongly executed for the death of his children in an accidental house fire that was featured in an episode of the Stuff You Should Know podcast about the pseudo-science of arson investigation. To lose your kids and then be wrongly put to death for it is just staggering.
Re capital punishment, it is certainly debatable what incontrovertible or sufficient evidence would be to apply the death penalty without by chance executing someone innocent, eg based on what I’ve heard neither eyewitness testimony or confession could be enough (both could be wrong or coerced), and it is a fact that in cases where innocent people were executed judge, jury, prosecutors, cops, and tons of other people thought the accused was certainly guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt (and in many cases they maintain that belief even after it’s proven the person was innocent), so I don’t think capital punishment is a great idea, though I would definitely agree with the examples you brought up eg the boston bomber. So I guess I would side with the prison sentence, also I never really bought the argument about warm meals roof over your head etc. It’s still prison, no one wants to be there. And I think in America at least most of them are for profit so you would be forced to do whatever work you were told… but I might be wrong about that don’t know much about it.
Some US state-owned prisons actually use involuntary prison labor too. The trouble with the for-profit model has more to do with a race to the bottom in prison conditions. The best place for murderers may well be prison, but there shouldn't be financial incentives for shrinking their cells, reducing the quality of their meals, limiting their health care.
Cameras get things wrong all the time. How long have we been arguing about the what the Zapruder film communicates? An event filmed from one angle could make someone look incredibly guilty, while a different angle could exonerate them. Your insistence that due process isn't strictly necessary is one of the most disturbing things I've heard all year. Of course, beyond the question of guilt is the idea no matter how horrible someone's actions, we become no better than them when we, as a people, kill. If we can't agree that at the very least it's not OK to go about smashing each other's brains in-that this as a base operating system for all other morality is inviolate-then we stand little chance of progressing beyond our current state of semi-savagery as a species.
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I have the Math book on pre-order with Amazon. Sounds fabulous !
I was present twice with the vet. First time it was really bad because after the second injection my cat had a bad reaction he was shacking and trembling. Horror to watch for me. Second cat I went to my regular vet the other one was during the night I talked about my concerns and i wasn't sure i can stand the procedure and she explained to me that the second injection must be done in a certain way that nothing bad happens to the animal. She was super nice and at the end it was a real peaceful process. I am so thankful that she took my fear away otherwise i never would picked up a pet anymore.
19k subscribers. Congratulations steve! I hope a Q and A is in the future
In Ireland, we know that the Guilford 4 and the Birmingham 6 would all have been executed had the death penalty been allowed in the UK at that time. Every one of them was innocent. Revenge is no basis for law.
While I agree with you re: innocence cases, I think advocates would call the death penalty Retributive Justice rather than Revenge. An execution by the state, the logic goes, prevents cycles of revenge/vigilante action/feuds. The family of a murdered child is not permitted to lynch the murderer, but must ask the State to punish him on their behalf.
I'm not sure which would have been worse, the state executing the Guilford 4 unjustly, or the public lynching them. Horrific either way.
Considering the spread of the for-profit prison system, I’m amazed anyone is put to death in this country. And no one should be, if only because the appeals process costs taxpayers so much money.
But also because if one person is above the law, then the entire population should be free of prosecution.
😺✌️
Aging prisoners are expensive! I fear the for-profit system actually has incentives to support execution.
The reason All Quiet On the Western Front is being re-translated is because the novel enters the public domain in January.
Yep. So do these titles…
Berlin Alexanderplatz
Les Enfants terribles
The sound and the fury
Look Homeward, Angel
A Farewell to Arms
A High Wind in Jamaica
The Dain Curse
Red Harvest
Hello Steve. Tonight I went to a Goodwill store with my folks. I got a stack of romance books of course. I want to read the books immediately.
The original LRB black death article was written by Prof Hugh Pennington, who has been one of the UKs foremost bacteriologists. I don't think he would be a covid denier.
While I am not myself Catholic, the work of Sister Helen Prejean against the death penalty in the United States has had a profound impact on my position.
In the end, I simply do not trust the police enough to allow for state-sanctioned killing. Many of those on death row now have convictions that predate modern DNA analysis, rely on discredited techniques (blood spatter and fiber analysis, say), or are based on very little physical evidence.
In the era of body cameras, some law enforcement officers already choose to disable or block video capture at critical moments, or to selectively release clips to shape public opinion. As deepfakes get cheaper and better, can we really trust the police to be honest enough... and skeptical enough? The public is no better - the crowdsourced hunt for the perpetrators of the Boston bombing scapegoated several innocents.
Ultimately, the marathon bomber committed his crime before prevalent deepfakes but after the advent of high quality surveillance video. That window of clarity, I fear, will be too brief. And structural issues in criminal justice mean that it will be a long, long time before I trust police to properly interpret even the most "indisputable" modern evidence.
Until the system is deeply reformed, we can't logically discuss whether the state should kill the truly guilty. The state should NOT kill innocents, but it has and it does. That's harm enough.
Steve stream about the death penalty perhaps?
The case of the Boston Marathon bomber is a compelling argument in favor of the death penalty. Though even that case is complicated by the perpetrator's young age. On the other hand, I heard a devastating account of a father wrongly executed for the death of his children in an accidental house fire that was featured in an episode of the Stuff You Should Know podcast about the pseudo-science of arson investigation. To lose your kids and then be wrongly put to death for it is just staggering.
Re capital punishment, it is certainly debatable what incontrovertible or sufficient evidence would be to apply the death penalty without by chance executing someone innocent, eg based on what I’ve heard neither eyewitness testimony or confession could be enough (both could be wrong or coerced), and it is a fact that in cases where innocent people were executed judge, jury, prosecutors, cops, and tons of other people thought the accused was certainly guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt (and in many cases they maintain that belief even after it’s proven the person was innocent), so I don’t think capital punishment is a great idea, though I would definitely agree with the examples you brought up eg the boston bomber.
So I guess I would side with the prison sentence, also I never really bought the argument about warm meals roof over your head etc. It’s still prison, no one wants to be there. And I think in America at least most of them are for profit so you would be forced to do whatever work you were told… but I might be wrong about that don’t know much about it.
Some US state-owned prisons actually use involuntary prison labor too. The trouble with the for-profit model has more to do with a race to the bottom in prison conditions. The best place for murderers may well be prison, but there shouldn't be financial incentives for shrinking their cells, reducing the quality of their meals, limiting their health care.
Saw The Return today]. So good!1
I’m interested in giving the math book a go if you don’t find anyone else, Steve.
Cameras get things wrong all the time. How long have we been arguing about the what the Zapruder film communicates? An event filmed from one angle could make someone look incredibly guilty, while a different angle could exonerate them. Your insistence that due process isn't strictly necessary is one of the most disturbing things I've heard all year.
Of course, beyond the question of guilt is the idea no matter how horrible someone's actions, we become no better than them when we, as a people, kill. If we can't agree that at the very least it's not OK to go about smashing each other's brains in-that this as a base operating system for all other morality is inviolate-then we stand little chance of progressing beyond our current state of semi-savagery as a species.
The sight of your new math book gave me resting palpitations. Am confessing that I believe math is the DNA of God.
Math is most likely the DNA of the Universe, so depending on your religious beliefs, you just might be right.
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@@UnpottedWe agree; I just enjoy mentioning God when the topic is big. Am a weirdo.