Hydraulic Press Restoration: Retrofitting a Table Lifting Winch to the Press
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Hydraulic Press Restoration: Retrofitting a Table Lifting Winch to the Press
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Remove the handle and fit a hex to the shaft. Then you can use your drill with a socket to operate the winch. Modify the handle to fit the hex also. Best of both worlds. You certainly have some lovely, generous viewers Keith.
I was thinking along these lines as well.
Yep- that is way too slow- your cordless drill will move it right along.
You beat me to it :)
12 point socket, no mods. needed?
I was thinking it would be good to have the handle easily reversible so it could be turned inward and be less likely to get broken.
I am glad to see you could use that second winch I had. If I had known you were going to show my pictures, I would have made Gus the shop dog sit for the photos. I had to chuckle at your comment that the table moves a little slow because that is exactly what I said the first time I used mine. That's when I added the PVC pipe to increase the diameter of mine. Don't use a drill to run it. The worm gears are not hardened, and will gall pretty quickly. I tried that once.
Thanks for your generosity Mike, it was very kind of you to pass on a tool that you weren’t using. All of us viewers get to watch a project proceeding with your help. The whole video gives us different ideas on how to do things like this and how to improve on them as well. There are always comments on different ways to do a build like this, some good, some not as good but all are helpful. Thanks again!👍
Hopefully the worm gears have some 90W gear oil on them to slow down the wear.
I'm so glad you have 2 shop cats making cameo appearances sometimes. Ginger looks so happy and content!
Ginger performs CAT scans as needed.
And I think he has a dog that does Lab work sometimes
Great looking press Keith, nice job! Just one bit of advice when using Crosby clips on wire rope. Remember the old saying "never saddle a dead horse". The "saddle" of the clip, should be on the load bearing side of the cable, and the U-bolt should be over the "dead" or tag end of the cable. Granted this project isn't the Space Shuttle, but proper practice is proper practice.
Kudos on another great shop enhancement. Back at the start of this project you removed 2 angle iron cross pieces and upgraded with square tubing. A simple, heavy duty wooden tray sitting on the cross pieces would protect them from damage as well as protecting the floor from really heavy pieces. Add a lip around the edge and the tray would also make it easier to retrieve small pieces.
That's amazing to have a "guy" that has an old piece and you give a new job to extend it's useful life. This channel is so useful, Thanks Keith
I never heard “never saddle a dead horse” before. Good information, thanks to other comment posters! 👍
Minor safety concern. Flip the cable clamps. The saddle piece goes on the loaded cable. Remember the mnemonic "Never saddle a dead horse." Which means don't put the saddle on the dead cable. Love your stuff Keith. Keep going man!
Exactly what I was going to comment.
Same here@@briancox2721
I noticed this immediately watching it too. Can't just flip them. The problem is that the saddle side grips the cable and the u bolt crushes the cable, weakening it, to hold onto it. Fine on the dead end, it's not carrying the load, but now your live end is damaged and weakened. So now the cable must be shortened a little bit to remove the damage too.
In this application, how much load will the cable ever see? Hopefully not enough for this to matter. I suspect that the cable sizing is just what was available and not measured in any way. But it's one of those things you want to be in the habit of doing right every time, so the one time when it turns out it does matter you're good to go.
You put your cable clamps on backwards. Look up never saddle a dead horse. Nice looking project. Looking forward to next video.❤
I was going to add the same thing you always put the saddle part of the cable clamp on the tension side so you don't cramp the individual strands of wire
Rigger/ironworker here. I now have a brain aneurism from screaming at the video. “ DONT saddle a dead horse”.
Hello Mr. Rucker, I really enjoy your videos! FYI- you installed the cable clamps on backwards. The round part of the clamp goes on the piece of cable that does not carry the load. Sincerely, Tom
Good job! That's the press you've needed for years.
I like Mike White from Missouri. He is a pug person. Anyone who photographs his shop with a pug in the picture is a friend of mine. By the way pugs don't have owners; they have staff. Keep it going Keith.
Keith you’re blessed that press is so wonderfully restored
Looks like it turned out extremely well. Thank you for sharing your process. I was a little confused with how the hydraulics were going to work out. Seems I just didn't know how your power pack worked. Glad I was able to see it in action, answered all my questions.
I am sure liking this post. They all need to come with these. When are you going back into machinist mode eh ? you have been in millwright mode for a week now, LOL. It is great to have a press to repair a press eh, LOL. This is so much better than trying to get a shop crane over it to make this happen. WELL DONE KEITH ! Your back can be your new best friend eh.
You don't need to work, Hoomin. Pet me. Pet me. Pet me... You and this community you built are going to change the world, my friend. I suspect you are interesting a new generation in machine work, and in just plain fixing things and making them work again.
Great Video, Keith 🙂
Can't wait for the video on those last details. Satisfying project so far!
Maybe a couple pieces of angle iron on the backside of the 1 in. plates to keep them tracking inside the press?
Central repositories like this are great!
Great rebuild of the press Keith. Great addition to the shop. You will enjoy having it and probably find many uses for it now that you have it.
Thanks for sharing.
Now you have a nice working press good job
Your welds look a lot better than some of the other ones on the press.
Very nice work Keith!
Fine addition to the shop.
Keith, you are doing great with the weight loss. I hope it is all intentional.
On other drill presses I've seen they have a lot more holes for the bed so that they can select the bed height closest to the stock/press head. You might want to drill a few more holes the adjust the table height to a suitable range for any action you want to make.
And like most people , you put the cable clamps on the wrong way round. Never put a saddle on a dead horse. The saddle always goes on to the the cable as it comes off the winch. That was how I was instructed decades ago when I erected tower cranes.
Ya never saddle a dead horse Keith.
Great Job Keith, Nice Looking Press..
Looks like it all ship shape. Another great video.
Mellow shop cat, mine would have bolted (pardon the pun) as soon as I pulled the trigger on the impact drill. Press is looking awesome Keith, nice mod.
All the good quality Workshops and Boatyards have an Inspector Cat 😸😺and yours is adorable 😻😸😺
@15:38 I used coated wire rope/cable and thimble clamps about that size to anchor my car shelter in the back yard years ago. Four ground augers holding it down. That thing has been through winds that I thought were going to blow the house away!
I really like the color of the press. Many machines would look good that shade. 👍👍
Hi Ginger !
I watched this entire restoration. Very impressive. The only thing I would have done different would have been , put an electric winch, but that's just me I guess. Again Great Job.
I enjoyed the winch, hadn't seen one like that, thanks.
Keith: i was on the Redline web sight looking at presses and they offer for $149.00, or you could likely build your own version of a protective screen that slides down out of the way when not in use or needed. But i could see the virtues of having a screen when making high-pressure presses. They also have an assortment of press options that you could likely make, but it would provide you with some interesting ideas.
Lookin' great! You know shops need a good shop cat, or shop dog.
That looks like a great winch. It looks like you put the cable clamp on backwards. The saddle goes on the live wire, not the dead one.
Excellent job done
Whenever I think I have too many projects, I just have to watch Keith :)
Finally the kitty gets some skritches!
Turned out great . Thanks for the videos.
I have setup two different presses. The first one used a double cable both going up and over to lift the table. You get tangles and trouble this way, The second time I tried the other way which was much better. With only one cable on the winch it goes up to the top around a pulley and back down to lift the table from one side. This would never work as is. So another cable connects to the table where the first cable connected and goes down to the bottom across the the machine to the other side and then up to the top where it turns around a pulley ang goes down to lift the other side. I found this to be better than trying to drive 2 cables on one drum that tends to jam and tangle. Nice press nice job.
Hi from Australia, I agree, make a set of different slugs/dies. Press plates might be better off doubled when you cut a profile for pressing, 2 inch thick is better than 1.... at 60 ton.
You can keep all the different the press plates on the bottom rails, as I'm sure you will have others to add.
Consider a motor to power up/down to save you shoulder. That's a high ratio. Enjoying what you do, Keith.
Thinking about those cross plates - weld some strips underneath parallel with the support beams and the plates will not move front to back but be free to slide sideways.
nicely done! man that crank is smooooth. That turned out really great. You could just make a bit for the drill that looks like a tuning fork and use that to crank it. That way you don't have to modify it at all and you can use it for other things like the handles on other machines 😁 a multi-use tool
That press turned out great. :)
Very nice press congrats.
Looking great
Great job
That's one calm shop cat! One hit with that little dak-dak and both my girls would've torn the place apart getting off the bench! THEN I saw greasy green footy
prints all over, but nope! The cat was drugged for his appearance, wasn't he?! LOL!
Hey Keith good job! But the clamps the body or saddle goes on the live end , then u-bolt pulls the tag end into the clamp. For the weight you are lifting is okay you put them on backwards! Remember saying You saddle your horse! AKA the live side of the cable !
Nice feature that it keeps itself in position, but you should not forget to insert the crossbars before it goes under pressure.
For your press heads, what about an internal o-ring vs a setscrew?
Nice solution
A bit disappointed, the To-Do List needs to include adding a "Vintage Machinery" sticker to the movable Bridge.
Nice video series, nicely explained.
I built a 12 tonne press from scratch about 15 years ago - works really well. Had a friend oxy cut some press plates. Suggestion. Instead of semi circle cutouts in the plates, get different depth right angle V cut outs on plates. I have always found there is more than enough surface area when pushing out circular shoulders etc. The V's are also much more flexible coping with different dia shafts/shoulders. Another thing I did was get different thicknesses pairs of raw spring steel. It is the raw material that leaf springs are made of before they are bent into an arc. The raw spring steel is approx 3 times more stiff than mild steel. Also the varying thicknesses of the pairs (length to match the outside width of the press) also means different widths of each plate. I have about 4 sets down to approx 1/4" (6mm) thickness (and about 2" - 50mm wide) up to 5/8" (16mm) thick and then with increased thickness, the material comes much wider. Even better, if you can get the spring manufacturer to throw these offcuts in the furnace when they do heat treatment for standard springs, then the material will be even tougher. However, the spring manufacture over here in Aussie land wouldn't do that. Even so they have served me very well over many years. You can use them very creatively, as recently as yesterday when pressing out front wheel drive bearings on a 1995 Toyota Echo (don't know what it is called in USA). Retired mechanic/machinist in Land Down Under.
You also need some much stronger V blocks. The new press looks good.
This type of content is so nice as a contrast to the endless videos about political corruption and conspiracy!
This really came out nice. Upgrades created a much better functioning press. As was already posted, use a drill motor on the lift mechanism.
i sent those plates. i hope they will make good use of the press. ive have a 20t press in my shop and have never needed more force. only more space. ive used our 150t press at my work and it has a power unit and talk about dangerous! you can change the force by 20t in the bump of a switch. that 60 will be similar. the cool thing about that winch is it will raise the table even if its loaded with a 100lb part.
Thanks for the kindness of sharing the extra tooling for Keith’s press, that was something that was truly needed and an extra set to double up or use as a second set to alter as needed. I’m amazed at how generous some people are when it comes to donating things that can be used and appreciated by us as viewers as well as Keith. Thanks again!👍
@@Hoaxer51 I work at a steel mill and I bought some material a few years ago for some home projects, I went and visited Keith when he had the event a while back I didnt have a lot of time there but I went and got them wheels from Lowes for him while the others were working and I thought about He was gonna need some heavy duty material for that big press. So I went home a cut that material and shipped it via fastenal blue lane freight. It worked out great. I also sent some other smaller flat pieces and a piece of 4 inch round bar, so when he goes to make them adapters to go on the end of the rod we should see him make those too.
@@MrChevelle83,You have some material laying around for home projects and it’s one inch thick steel plate and four inch round bar, what the heck are you building, an armored car? Lol Just kidding around, it’s guys like you that help the world go round.
Where I use to work would use Fastenal to have stuff shipped to us, a lot of people don’t know about that service but it’s pretty handy if you have a Fastenal store in your town, they also work on Dewalt cordless tools there maybe others. Thanks again for all your help and I’m looking forward to seeing Keith use up some of that other steel!
Wire rope clamps are backwards. "Never saddle a dead horse". Saddle should be on the live end, not the dead end.
Nice mod. Thats a really laid back cat with all the noise next to it. I would have mounted it inside the uprights. Possibly with a square drive in the handle and the shaft, that way the handle could be reversed (like on a milling machine Z axis) so it doesnt hit you in the side every time you pass the press.
Orange cats are weird. I had one that would get in the way when I was mowing the lawn. Whatever I was working on, if it didn't scare me, it didn't scare him. And, his hearing was just fine.
Nice addition to the shop. I wouldn't worry about the speed of the winch. Afterall, how often will it get adjusted?
Good morning Keith 😊
Thank you Keith
Our 100 ton nugger uses 1 cable secured to the bed on one side and pully on other it reduces the amount of cable build up on the winch drum
Also need a big chunk of wood under the bed on the bottom of the press to catch pieces that drop down
It's funny because i just did this to my press last week! 😅
Your community is awesome!!!
Ooh so sweet Ginger the pussycat ❤❤❤
i welded some big washers on one end of pins so they would have solid fit and prevent going in to far
Still should add a shield between the pack and the press.
Very neat solution.
Use heatshrink tubing to bind the cut end of the cable to the load cable in order to keep it from fraying and it will keep it looking neat.
I used a boat whench but it was the worm drive version!
Thank you for sharing. Very nice.👍
shop cat says hey pay some attention to me human
How important is the table being perpendicular to the piston? I noticed when you lowered the table onto the pins that the notches in the table seem to be spaced slightly wider than the pins. In the video the table contacted the pin on the right first. When the left side contacted its pin the table shifted to the left. I can't tell if that caused the left side of the table to be higher than the right. My gut says the higher the pressure applied the more important perpendicularity is.
More Ginger, please.
Hi. When are you going to demo the champ drill grinder.
The saddle should always be on the live wire to prevent crushing.
Easy to remember...never saddle a dead horse.
Just wondering why you didn’t leave extra cable on the spool to make a larger diameter?
Could swap the handle for a weighted wheel. Something like a half a kilo cast iron weight from a lifting set. The mechanism is way overbuilt, so it should easily take that weight, which in turn will make it easy to rotate.
with the way that you have the cables going thru the winch, wouldn't the cable be bent at a 90 degree and possibly cause a future breaking point?
Google experts- I dare you to try and find a currently built winch unit duplicating this one gracefully donated to the project. Same quality. I’ll wait…….😊
For what its worth when the current winch on there is working as it should they work great.
Looking Sweet. nice job.
Thumbs up for the meow meow
Quite a swayback in that table might need a couple triangle truss braces from top center to the lower outside pin area welded to the web.
you saddled a dead horse
I have not been Bluetooth Low Energy to fine a 1/4” to 3/8” 10,000 psi adapter. Is there one for that size? The best McMastercarr has is for 5,400 psi. Since it sandwiched between both fittings, I wonder if it matters, but like Keith, I’d rather have the right part.
To overcome the shaft being to long I core drilled a six in. core out of my slab only used it 3 times but it's there if I need it.
Hey a tip…. Never saddle a dead horse. The saddle always goes to the live side not the dead side
When using Crosby clamps clamping cables you NEVER saddle a dead horse like you did on the first cable.
Great video. Very inventive solution. Ginger needs more belly rubs!!
Is there a manufacturer or model number on that? Winch.
The press is looking good I see several people that have said they would use a wood board across the bottom brackets I would make a box that would hold sand or sawdust because a friend had a 1/2” pin hit the floor and knocked a 1/2” hole in the floor of the shop could have been a bad day but my friend has double coverage the good Lord looks after fools and drunks
Two comments. First, if you can find out what winch that is so others can buy one for a similar application. Second, the cable clamps are on backwards. The saddle should be on the live line (the one going to the winch), the U-bolt on the dead line. "Never saddle a dead horse"
You've already got electronical components on it, why not put a powered wench with a up/down switch???
Cable clips on wrong, never saddle a dead horse.