I love how you guys recognize Lynette Woodard, because Caitlin Clark has passed her, but you have chosen to ignore Pearl Moore the number one.. PERIOD..
@taipan1234 go watch footage of pearl Moore on UA-cam and then come back here and tell me that caitlin isn't a trillion times better than her. 200 of those points were in junior college, so they don't count (might as well add her driveway stats too). It was like division 3 ball as well in the mid 70s or something. That's why her record is not recognized because it's not even comparable
Never have followed a female basketball player and this girl is absolutely ridiculous 🤯 When it's all said and done she could go down as the all-time greatest female basketball player.
History has been made. Especially on women's history month. Remember this day. Caitlin Clark made history and she'll accept her challenge in the WNBA draft and new era of basketball.
Before all the lamers start chiming in with the all the "Pete" didn't have a 3-point line comments.... ever think that if there was no 3-point line, maybe she takes twice as many (higher percentage) shots? Hypotheticals are dumb though. The FACT is that NO ONE beat the record for 54 years, which includes 28 years with the 3-point line.
That's because of stupid NCAA rules for first year players. If he got to play in 130 games like Caitlin Clark, the record would be untouchable. He could of had over 5,700 points in 4 years.
@@exlimited3938 yeah, and if Clark had her Daddy coaching her in college, and let her jack up 40 shots per game, without consideration of defense, passing, or winning, she could have sored 6000.
Caitlin Clark is truly a generational talent. But it took a genius coach in Lisa Bluder to unleash the full potential of Caitlin's talent by letting her play a high octane type of offense. Suddenly logo threes once reserve for NBA superstars Steph Curry, Kevin Durant,Damian Lillard, Trae Young become a normal repertoire in caitlin's arsenal. Her assist in transition is a thing of beauty making her teammates look better. Her speed and shooting is unbelievable that sometimes we watch in awe and forget that we are watching a women's basketball.
Kareem didnt shoot 3s when he became the leading scorer in the NBA Lebron shoots 3s when hr surpass kareem Just shows players find ways to score no matter what the situation and rules applied
I think she is the best shooter in the world behind Steph, seriously. I think youngins should actually learn from her shooting form more than anyone, quick, efficient energy transfer from ground, one motion-no hitch, high release, optimal trajectory. I hope she gets her own shoe.
@@styner3 Yet 12 WNBA players have had shoe deals, including one in each of the last 3 years: Ionescu, Della Donne, Stewart. And Ionescu's deal was worth $24 million. Now ask yourself if Clark more popular than those 3. So yes, Clark will probably get her own shoe deal at some point.
What was overlooked in this game is that Iowa beat the #2 ranked team in the nation Ohio State. If Clark can lead Iowa to a national championship that lives forever. Winning over records should always be the goal and if you can do both that is icing on the cake
Not taking anything away from Clark, one of the greatest female basketball players ever, but the ONLY reason she passed Pistol Pete is there was no 3 point line and no shot clock in his era. She wouldn't even be close if there was just a 3 point line back then, it's been figured that Pistol would have averaged 13 threes a game which would have given him almost another 1100 points, that's not even bringing up the shot clock. She also played about 40 games more,( freshman weren't allowed to play then) So technically yes she broke his scoring record, but she's not even close to being in his class.
You're right, it's not the same. Pistol Pete took 38 shots per game and got to shoot 14 FT's per game. Caitlin Clark has only shot the ball just under 20 times per game and 7 FT attempts per game.
I just made the same argument, he would have had almos1100 more points with a 3 point line. He would have averaged 13 a game, Alabama is no 2 in threes made at 12 a game, he was unreal.
*Pete played without a 3 point shot. *Pete played when they had no shot clock, causing games to have much less scoring. *Pete played with a regular sized basketball; Caitlin plays with a smaller basketball... but the rim is still regular size (making it easier for a smaller basketball to go in). *Pete played in an era when freshmen were not varsity-eligible. Therefore he only played 3 seasons. Thus, he was only able to play 87 games, while Caitlin has played 127 games so far. *She played in a women's league and Pete played against future Hall of Famers. Regardless of what people view of the talent of girl's basketball, men’s and women’s basketball are just not comparable. There probably are a few other advantages in favor of Caitlin that I don't know about, but the above is enough. Yes, Caitlin is a great player. But knowing the above facts, if I was her then I would be embarrassed with all the attention of people proclaiming that I "broke Pete Maravich's record", because I would know the REAL truth, and what people are saying is just not accurate. I certainly wouldn't be acting all excited as if I did better than Pete Maravich, with all I know about the advantages I had over him, due to the situations I described above. Pete is still the greatest college player of all time - man or woman.
Pete shot the ball 38 times a game. Which means if Caitlin shot 38 times game and with a higher FG average even taking a point away from her threes, she would beat Pete by over a 1000 pts.
@@amanrush7722put her in the men's game and watch her average 0. If she ever touches the ball, every shot attempt would be blocked, unless she heaves it from half court.
@@jennahawk12 ....Pearl still set the record in all of college and she was the number 1 pick in 1979's Womens League which was the originial WNBA and is in the Naismith Hall of Fame.
@@bauerj3398 She played in the AIAW which was the organization that handles college women's sports until the NCAA added women's sports. Know what your talking about. Of course she didn't play in the NCAA because at the time she played the NCAA was only for college men sports.
@@patrickbrinkmeier2691 Yes, I think it's great to bring her up. And I think it's to acknowledge these division 2 players as well. But NCAA has multiple divisions. Pearl played in the small school division. So what, are we now going to bring in high school hoopers? You're just comparing different leagues, that's all. I absolutely have no hate for Pearl and totally respect what she has done. I think it's great that she's back in the public eye for this. But people are bringing it up to discredit Clark, which I don't appreciate.
I mean by the same token you can also wonder what if Clark had 38 shots a game. Every player's circumstances are different, that's why the records don't distinguish between time period. The record is the record is the record.
@katherineberger6329 I think she is an absolute phenom, I made sure to watch that game live. But let's be serious. She set the scoring record in women's basketball, where the ball itself isn't even the same size as the men use. She's a fantastic basketball player, likely the best woman to play the game. But she would have averaged zero per game against the men.
If there is no distinction between men's and women's records in NCAA athletics, then every record-setting performance in track and field belongs to a man with women's best efforts found somewhere down the list with the also rans.
She literally set the all-time NCAA Division I scoring record, which also happens to be the all-time NCAA Division I women's scoring record. Maravich has the all-time NCAA Division I men's scoring record. Which just happens to be lower than the women's record.
She reset her own record. You can’t break the men’s record using a smaller ball and playing not against men but against shorter women players. @@katherineberger6329
She will be bring so many people to watch the WNBA just because she's there it will be so good for the WNBA the money is lousy but she will be asked to endorse everything I bet and will be the face of the WNBA Next NBA all star game she should go against Steph in a 3 point contest that would be something
Please folks, when you compare Pistol Pete way back when in his days of College Basketball. He didn't have a Three Point Circle, he didn't have a Possession Clock. He also played less games per season. It was reported he averaged 44 points per game and a more defensive style of Floor Game. No doubt Caitlin Clark is a very dominant Female Player, but the fact was. Pistol Pete M, had it a lot harder to amass his College Career Points. In fact, it was said, had Pistol Pete have a Three Point Circle, he would have scored 6000 points.
Pistol Pete has 3166 FG attempts, Caitlin Clark currently has 2593 FG attempts Pistol Pete has 1152 FT attempts, Caitlin Clark currently has 890 FT attempts. That's 573 more FG attempts and 262 more FT attempts. Pistol Pete has basically averaged 38 FG attempts and 14 FT's per game. Clark has only averages 20 FG attempts and 7 FT"s per game.
Took maravich an extra 600 shots to do what she did. if Clark had her Daddy coaching her in college, and let her jack up 40 shots per game, without even thinking about defense, passing, or winning, she would have another 2000.
@@bauerj3398 if Pete had a three point line was allowed to take step back shots and "Eurosteps" that would be a travel in his time, had a restricted zone under the basket and could palm the ball like they can today he would have scored 70 a game.
@@arizjones Step back threes were around, and legal, in the 70's. Clark is not scoring with a Eurostep. You are right about the different standard regarding palming. I have had people critique Maravich for 'slap dribbling', but that was the only way to do it at the time. I agree that Maravich was an innovational and generational offensive player, but to dismiss Clark because she did it more games is folly. She did it taking literally half the shots of Maravich. One other thing that needs to be mentioned in a comparison is ball size. The women's ball is signficantly smaller, resulting in more room for error on shots.
@@bauerj3398 Well at least you admit ball size is a factor. Over 500 additional points due to three point shots is also a factor. I can tell you shooting with a small ball definitely increases shooting percentage as well as range.
Since when did men's and women's records become interchangeable with one another? They're separate leagues. This doesn't make sense. (BTW, she's a phenomenal player, but unless they start playing against one another, it's not thw same thing.)
Yall better give her the same energy yall gave sinbrina during all star weekend trying to discredit her for using a girl ball during 3 point contest .... because she was using a female ball ... whats the difference in this she beat Pete's record but does it really care
Her getting this record is not an apples to apples comparison to Pete Maravich. He averaged over 44 ppg in 3 seasons, not 4. The 3 point basket didn't exist when he played. Clark made over 500 3 pointers. Change those to 2 pointers, and she's not even close. Like I said, it's not apples to apples. And no, I'm not a hater. I'm just quoting statistics.
It's not the same thing just because Caitlin and Pete played the same sport, Flo Jo ran the fastest 100m for a woman ever but no one says Bolt broke her record...because he's a man. Catlin can't break the men's record if she's never played against men.
What if Pete Maravich had played against women or if Caitlin Clark had played against men. So no she may have set a higher women’s record but she didn’t break the men’s record.
No one's saying she's better than men, bro. We all know the best players in the men's division play 1 season in college and go to the NBA. Regardless, though, a bucket is a bucket. Yes, it's against women, but a bucket is a bucket.
Respect and congrats to Caitlin. She's phenomenal. With that being said, Pete only played 3 seasons, not 4. Freshman weren't allowed to play on the varsity team. There also wasn't a 3-point line or a shot clock.
Long before Iowa star Caitlin Clark hit her first long-range three or signed her first autograph, Pearl Moore set a scoring standard for women’s basketball that has stood for 45 years. The soft-spoken woman from South Carolina led her team at Francis Marion to the postseason four years in a row, averaging more than 30 points every season. The 5-foot-7 guard once scored 60 points in a game. She did it all under the radar in many ways, playing at a tiny school from 1975-79 when the Association for Intercollegiate Athletics for Women (AIAW) oversaw the sport. Her career points total - a staggering 4,061 - still stands as the overall record in women’s hoops and is unlikely to fall this season even if Clark and the Hawkeyes make another deep NCAA Tournament run.
@amanrush7722 Correct. It would be almost impossible to do that against other men. Someone would have to average more than 44.2 points over 3 seasons or around 34 points over 4 season (assuming they didn't go pro).
Pistol Pete also averaged 38 shots per game and 14 FT's per game. Caitlin Clark averaged about 20 shots per game (and never took 38 shots in any game) she's played in and averages less than 7 FT's per game.
@clipcoug1139 She also has a lower fg%, uses a smaller ball, and plays against women. Caitlin is amazing, but that doesn't mean she should be compared to Pete Maravich. They are two different sports. If we went back and counted how many of Pete's shots were from 3-point range, this wouldn't even be a conversation. Celebrate them both for what they are. Both truly impressive.
It's crazy how lame it is to criticize things people have no control over in order to diminish the achievements they earned. Why comment this? Seriously please let me know why you feel the need to negatively project your opinions on someone who doesn't know you and in her highschool freshman year exceeded exceeded your achievements?
The rules for the WNBA are different for women. I think women have to Graduate from college or something something like that. Whereas men just have to be 19 or turning 19 the year in which they are drafted.
The WNBA draft requires 4 yrs of college or age 22, which makes it even tougher for players like Clark who aren't on traditional powers and top teams to win a title, because those top teams can horde recruits and transfers for years before they can declare for the draft. This hasn't been an issue in the men's game because of 1-and-done, and even no college awhile back (like when LeBron skipped college).
I never watch women basketball much, can anyone tell me if most of them only have 15" vert? or do they intentionally not go near their max vert during layup.
Why stop at only some of the numbers, is it cuz you don't know them or don't want to give more context? Here you go: Pete also took 38.1 shots per game and 3,166 total shots vs her 19.9 and 2,582 shots she needed to pass his point total. So it's absolutely fair to say that Pete only played 83 games in 3 yrs vs her 130 in 4 to accumulate those points, but it's also fair to say that his extra 584 shots is an extra 29-30 games using her shot average, meaning that Pete took 5 Clark years' worth of shots to amass those points.
@@darchon5 Nice try. But also, Pete played without a 3pt line; and the numbers show he would have average 56 pts per game instead of his actual 44 (and her 28). Also; Pete didn't play against girls.
@@ron88303 I was only responding to OP's numbers, but no prob, you really want to go there, let's do it, nothing to hide here. Although pro tip: if you want to bring up that Dale Brown analysis, then don't just use partial facts/context, and use all the numbers relevant to his scoring for a fair comparison, not just some of them that are in his favor only. So as you said, nice try. Now here's what that actually looks like: First, you want to just blindly quote the 44.2 ppg vs 28.3 ppg numbers without mentioning shots at all? Don't you think Clark might be a bit better than 28 with almost 2x the shots including 2x the free throws, like Pete had? More below, but first the shot chart analysis: Brown's short (edit: shot, typo blah!) chart analysis was that Pete would've averaged 57.0 ppg if simply drawing a 3-pt line at 19' 9", not the modern 22' 1.75", oops didn't mention that did you? Plus, simply drawing a line pays no regard to the defense being played - ie, if there was actually a line for a shot worth 50% more, people would maybe guard him more instead of just leaving him open back there at least some of the time for long 2s. So no, Pete wouldn't average 57 with the modern line, but we actually don't know what it'd be and that'd be nice to have, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say that he'd still in the 50s. So giving Pete the 3 is fair. To also be fair, let's give Clark his 38.1 shots/game instead of her 19.9, which is a huge difference and a 1.915 multiplier, so applying her same FG%, her 3,685 pts becomes 7,057 pts, and with her 130 games that's 54.3 ppg. Then take away her freshman year because we're really trying to be fair to both, right, and Pete didn't have his freshman year either: so that'd be 2,886 x 1.915 = 5,527, and in her 100 games played in those 3 yrs that's 55.3 ppg. So whether 54.3 or 55.3, that's in the vicinity of Pete's 57 ppg with the shorter 3-pt line and assuming no changes in defense. Now you gotta throw gender into it, ok: just a reminder, Clark's a girl too. So she has all the same deficiencies with less muscle, smaller hands, etc. She's 5" and 43 lbs less than Pete was in college, not exactly near his size. Each of them can only play who they play. And speaking of who they play, you'll gladly delve into gender but not race eh? The SEC wasn't racially integrated in Pete's day, and just barely started doing so his senior year. So he only played a handful of games against integrated nonconference schools, plus the beginnings of it in some SEC schools starting his senior year. But each of them can only play who they play, right? Or does that only apply to race but not gender to you? Then for more context you can add in how much more efficient Clark is on offense, with significantly better percentages across the board. We can dive into all those numbers too if you want. Then you could also throw in assists and rebounds, where she's also ahead. And newsflash: nobody here's trying to argue that Clark's better or more impressive than Pete, just that she deserves more respect, as in: she's in the same ballpark of dominance vs her competition as he was vs his. And to really see this, we should try to compare their scoring numbers in a fair way, which I've now done above. So after all that if you can't accept that and just want to say Pete was on a different level because he was allowed to take all those shots and played against mostly all white guys in the 60s to 1970 vs Clark with half of his shots playing against women, then go right ahead. But at least there's more info that's been presented now, so everyone can form their opinions with better context.
I like to see a female athlete that works hard, has multiple skills, unselfish, team player, has a mental game, finesse make this achievement rather than a transformer, an LGBTQRSTUV+-, or an 8ft genetic freak of nature!
Great Accomplishment, But the reality is: If Pistol Pete Maravich would have had the 3pt shot AND could have played his freshman year ( wasn't allowed then), he would have had close to 6,000 pts. Greatest "male" college hoopster, ever!!
And playing the "what if" game, What if Caitlin Clark shot 38 times and 14 FT's per game like Pete did, instead of half those numbers like she does now?
Cant compare women's basketball to mens basketball way different when pete played they didn't call all these ticky tac fouls and the difference in the physical aspect of the game is way different and they don't play defense now days it's just try and out score the other team
Great player. Also, #5 all time in turnovers and will be among the top in missed shots all time. Wonderful lesson that you can mess up a bunch and still be good. Let's be real. She led NCAA is TOs in her first two years, currently 2nd this year. She has the ball all the time. All stats inflated. And a logo 3 that you hit, maybe 30% of time, is a bad shot. That's why she's never come close to hitting half her shots for a season. Don't let the mistakes define you.
Put down the haterade and/or keep that same energy for LeBron, who has the most points and turnovers ever... yet no one mentions his turnovers. Also get your facts right: Clark is 40% from 25-30', which better than respectable from that distance. So you just looooooove harping on her only negative all-time ranking being #5 in turnovers. But who are you trying to fool, is that the biggest takeaway for Clark, really? "Let's be real" you say, wish you were. I'll see your one top 5 ranking and raise you with a bunch of her other top 5 rankings: #1 in 3 of her 4 yrs in scoring and assists #1 in win shares once and #3 in WS twice in her 4 yrs #3 in PER twice in her 4 yrs all-time: #1 in points; #3 in assist %; #5 in assists - Clark is the only college player ranked in the top 50 in both pts and asts since at least 1987 (as far back as women's stat lists go). So yes, while Clark does turn it over too much, it's a direct result of her elite scoring & playmaking the combo of which has never been seen before at that level. And her career assist/turnover ratio is 1.78, while not amazing is more than respectable for a point guard who's a prolfic scorer. For reference, compare her ratio to those of All-Americans Amoore at VTech who is 2nd in assists, and Juju at USC who is 2nd in scoring: Amoore has a close-to-identical 1.83 career ast/to ratio yet only has half of Clark's scoring, while Juju only has a 0.85 ast/to ratio with less than half of Clark's assists. And you were quite content to point out how Clark has "never come close to hitting half her shots" even though her career 46.5% FGs is respectable for scoring point guard, so then what do you think about the widely anointed second-coming, Juju, who is only at 41.6%, even though she's a guard who is 2" taller and a lot stronger? Also, quite convenient to only harp on Clark's FG% but entirely ignore her much more impressive effective FG% of 56.4% and true shooting of 61.1%, don't you think? Or are you going to pretend you don't know/care about such advanced metrics? Ok then, here's a comparison with some of the best current and all-time players to help put Clark's shooting into context: Clark: 46.5% FG, 56.4% eFG, 61.1% TS Juju: 41.6% FG, 46.3% eFG, 52.4% TS Brink: 53.5% FG, 55.5% eFG, 60.0% TS Reese: 50.7% FG, 50.9% eFG, 56.1% TS Ionescu: 45.5% FG, 53.7% eFG, 57.5% TS Plum: 44.3% FG, 51.0% eFG, 57.7% TS Parker: 53.8% FG, 54.4% eFG, 58.3% TS Taurasi: 46.9% FG, 56.8% eFG, 59.7% TS The only ones with higher FG% are forwards, yet Clark still beats everyone pretty handily in both advanced metrics except for Taurasi's eFG. Not too shabby for someone who you pointed out takes 'bad shots', eh?
Caitlin Clark is a walking 🪣
I love how you guys recognize Lynette Woodard, because Caitlin Clark has passed her, but you have chosen to ignore Pearl Moore the number one.. PERIOD..
@taipan1234 go watch footage of pearl Moore on UA-cam and then come back here and tell me that caitlin isn't a trillion times better than her. 200 of those points were in junior college, so they don't count (might as well add her driveway stats too). It was like division 3 ball as well in the mid 70s or something. That's why her record is not recognized because it's not even comparable
Gus Johnson is the perfect announcer for such an occasion!
Love gus for any event!
Only for basketball though he’s cringe with big 10 football. There is a such thing as overdone fake passion.
Thought you were talking about the youtuber for a second 😅
Never have followed a female basketball player and this girl is absolutely ridiculous 🤯 When it's all said and done she could go down as the all-time greatest female basketball player.
i feel the same way - i like could she come off the bench for a couple of 3s in an nba game
@@RickDannershe couldn't get a shot off in a men's college game, much less an NBA game.
that is like saying I am the best at sweeping the floor. as if it is a high bar.
@@JohnEastmanExAttyAtLawno college player has ever scored more points than she has. It is a high bar 😂 she’s the top 0.0001% in her field
@@rabblerousin8981 she is not playing in the top college league. She is playing in the top women's college league.
Ive never watched womens basketball in my life but im watching Caitlin clark
Same here. This girl is Already a Legend!
History has been made. Especially on women's history month. Remember this day. Caitlin Clark made history and she'll accept her challenge in the WNBA draft and new era of basketball.
good one.
juju better
I've lost track. When is men's history month? Congratulations Caitlin
@@manderzzyour stupid
I love her game! It looks so smooth and she makes it look easy!
Before all the lamers start chiming in with the all the "Pete" didn't have a 3-point line comments.... ever think that if there was no 3-point line, maybe she takes twice as many (higher percentage) shots? Hypotheticals are dumb though. The FACT is that NO ONE beat the record for 54 years, which includes 28 years with the 3-point line.
Pete didn't have the assist or rebounding numbers she has either
There's always somebody who wants To say something negative. The bottom line is she broke the record. Like it or don't like it.
@@benkistler2405 She also played in 46 more games than he did.
@@wadeadams9471 Yeah, with 17 more games. Also, he career average for points is 44.2 vs her 27.2.
@@ak102986 Pete took 40 shots per game. She averages less that 20 shots. Either way stop comparing men and women. Two different worlds.
This got me to look into Pete Maravich.
He set the record before the 3 point line and did it in 3 seasons. That's crazy.
That's because of stupid NCAA rules for first year players.
If he got to play in 130 games like Caitlin Clark, the record would be untouchable. He could of had over 5,700 points in 4 years.
I think the Pete comparisons are silly. Could you imagine if we compare all women's swimmers to Michael Phelps?
@@jennahawk12 it's the pundits and fans comparing her to Pete. The silliness is to conclude that's she's beaten his record.
@@exlimited3938 yeah, and if Clark had her Daddy coaching her in college, and let her jack up 40 shots per game, without consideration of defense, passing, or winning, she could have sored 6000.
@@bauerj3398
Caitlin had the advantage of being able to play with a smaller and lighter ball. Easier to score against inferior female defenders.
Caitlin Clark is truly a generational talent. But it took a genius coach in Lisa Bluder to unleash the full potential of Caitlin's talent by letting her play a high octane type of offense. Suddenly logo threes once reserve for NBA superstars Steph Curry, Kevin Durant,Damian Lillard, Trae Young become a normal repertoire in caitlin's arsenal. Her assist in transition is a thing of beauty making her teammates look better. Her speed and shooting is unbelievable that sometimes we watch in awe and forget that we are watching a women's basketball.
Kareem didnt shoot 3s when he became the leading scorer in the NBA
Lebron shoots 3s when hr surpass kareem
Just shows players find ways to score no matter what the situation and rules applied
Talent plays regardless of era.
I think she is the best shooter in the world behind Steph, seriously. I think youngins should actually learn from her shooting form more than anyone, quick, efficient energy transfer from ground, one motion-no hitch, high release, optimal trajectory. I hope she gets her own shoe.
3:23 so I can come back and watch form for pointers.
"Own shoe" 😂😂 WNBA has made a profit yet, no company is banking people will buy a shoe but not go to games
@@styner3 Yet 12 WNBA players have had shoe deals, including one in each of the last 3 years: Ionescu, Della Donne, Stewart. And Ionescu's deal was worth $24 million. Now ask yourself if Clark more popular than those 3. So yes, Clark will probably get her own shoe deal at some point.
What was overlooked in this game is that Iowa beat the #2 ranked team in the nation Ohio State. If Clark can lead Iowa to a national championship that lives forever. Winning over records should always be the goal and if you can do both that is icing on the cake
Not taking anything away from Clark, one of the greatest female basketball players ever, but the ONLY reason she passed Pistol Pete is there was no 3 point line and no shot clock in his era. She wouldn't even be close if there was just a 3 point line back then, it's been figured that Pistol would have averaged 13 threes a game which would have given him almost another 1100 points, that's not even bringing up the shot clock. She also played about 40 games more,( freshman weren't allowed to play then)
So technically yes she broke his scoring record, but she's not even close to being in his class.
Pistol Pete did it in 3 years with no 3pt line and no shot clock to move the game. She's a tremendous talent but it's not the same.
You're right, it's not the same.
Pistol Pete took 38 shots per game and got to shoot 14 FT's per game. Caitlin Clark has only shot the ball just under 20 times per game and 7 FT attempts per game.
This argument holds no water. By this logic, in every sport, records from other eras not be compared to new ones.
I just made the same argument, he would have had almos1100 more points with a 3 point line.
He would have averaged 13 a game, Alabama is no 2 in threes made at 12 a game, he was unreal.
But the NCAA doesn’t recognize joint records between Men’s & Women’s sports!
Goat even female basketball player. Never has woman's basketball been interesting like now
*Pete played without a 3 point shot.
*Pete played when they had no shot clock, causing games to have much less scoring.
*Pete played with a regular sized basketball; Caitlin plays with a smaller basketball... but the rim is still regular size (making it easier for a smaller basketball to go in).
*Pete played in an era when freshmen were not varsity-eligible. Therefore he only played 3 seasons. Thus, he was only able to play 87 games, while Caitlin has played 127 games so far.
*She played in a women's league and Pete played against future Hall of Famers. Regardless of what people view of the talent of girl's basketball, men’s and women’s basketball are just not comparable.
There probably are a few other advantages in favor of Caitlin that I don't know about, but the above is enough.
Yes, Caitlin is a great player. But knowing the above facts, if I was her then I would be embarrassed with all the attention of people proclaiming that I "broke Pete Maravich's record", because I would know the REAL truth, and what people are saying is just not accurate. I certainly wouldn't be acting all excited as if I did better than Pete Maravich, with all I know about the advantages I had over him, due to the situations I described above.
Pete is still the greatest college player of all time - man or woman.
Pete shot the ball 38 times a game. Which means if Caitlin shot 38 times game and with a higher FG average even taking a point away from her threes, she would beat Pete by over a 1000 pts.
I don't see any man broke it with the new rules. Lame.
Well put. She didn't break Pete's record.
@@amanrush7722put her in the men's game and watch her average 0. If she ever touches the ball, every shot attempt would be blocked, unless she heaves it from half court.
Everyone is a Pete fan all of a sudden 😂
This woman can shoot the lights out 💪🏼
Gus the real goat
Wow! What an incredible player. Very inspiring to see. Hope she does well in the WNBA.
I think Piston Pete in NBA is the foreshadowing for Caitlyn while she is entering WNBA.
Pearl Moore is the number one scorer in all of the the NCAA.. Caitlin Clark is number Two..
Not in D1
@@jennahawk12 ....Pearl still set the record in all of college and she was the number 1 pick in 1979's Womens League which was the originial WNBA and is in the Naismith Hall of Fame.
Moore did not play NCAA.
@@bauerj3398 She played in the AIAW which was the organization that handles college women's sports until the NCAA added women's sports. Know what your talking about. Of course she didn't play in the NCAA because at the time she played the NCAA was only for college men sports.
@@patrickbrinkmeier2691 Yes, I think it's great to bring her up. And I think it's to acknowledge these division 2 players as well. But NCAA has multiple divisions. Pearl played in the small school division. So what, are we now going to bring in high school hoopers? You're just comparing different leagues, that's all. I absolutely have no hate for Pearl and totally respect what she has done. I think it's great that she's back in the public eye for this. But people are bringing it up to discredit Clark, which I don't appreciate.
Why none of the men's player with 3 points rule beat the record? Clark deserved it. No but, no if.
Men have larger balls and are in a tougher division.
Exactly, here that SAS, and Jay Will. You made a great point.
The best men skipped college and went to the NBA. Either was her scoring record is impressive, congrats to her.
Great players in mens play 1 year and go get money in the NBA she would do the same but shes gonna make less in the WNBA its common sense
You do know the best players in the NBA go pro early to make millions, Caitlin will make 77K as a rookie 😂
this girl is great
She deserves a chance in the NBA. Seriously.
It's been tried before in other sports. Miserable failures.
LOL... comedian.
There is no little basketball in the NBA to shoot with...stop it 😂
She would get killed trying to play with a high school boy's team
F the wnba. Let her try out in the nba
Clark can absolutely shoot lights out. Fantastic achievement.
Still, one could wonder: what if Maravich had a 3point arc?
I mean by the same token you can also wonder what if Clark had 38 shots a game. Every player's circumstances are different, that's why the records don't distinguish between time period. The record is the record is the record.
And a 4th year of college ball...
@@TK-cl1jm Again, he had twice as many opportunities per game. Records don't distinguish between time period for a reason.
@katherineberger6329 I think she is an absolute phenom, I made sure to watch that game live.
But let's be serious. She set the scoring record in women's basketball, where the ball itself isn't even the same size as the men use. She's a fantastic basketball player, likely the best woman to play the game. But she would have averaged zero per game against the men.
Caitlin had the advantage of being able to play with a smaller and lighter ball. Easier to score against inferior female defenders.
Thanks. I very lucky in my life to see she how is playing..
let's go Caitlin!
Now we need Sheryl Swoops to comment.....😂😂
Only took her a full season, 46 more games, a 3 point line, and a smaller basketball. Pete averaged 44ppg WITHOUT a 3pt line.. Not even a comparison
this is who we all hope the Indiana fever draft
in the 2024 wnba draft
Nice accomplishment BUT it took her 40 more games to break the record. I think Pistol Pete didn't have the luxury of a 3 point line?
You have to recognize her skill. She’s great. But, Pistol Pete set the record in three seasons WITHOUT a 3-point line.
And did so against men.
Ask Larry Bird about your hero Pete. Lol he busted him out
Yeah ask Larry birds..
And 38 shot attempts and 14 FT attempts per game (twice what Clark averages per game)
she's cold blooded..
If there is no distinction between men's and women's records in NCAA athletics, then every record-setting performance in track and field belongs to a man with women's best efforts found somewhere down the list with the also rans.
She literally set the all-time NCAA Division I scoring record, which also happens to be the all-time NCAA Division I women's scoring record. Maravich has the all-time NCAA Division I men's scoring record. Which just happens to be lower than the women's record.
She reset her own record. You can’t break the men’s record using a smaller ball and playing not against men but against shorter women players.
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@@katherineberger6329 but the level of play is so much different between men and women. The worst division three team would beat the WNBA champs
She will be bring so many people to watch the WNBA just because she's there it will be so good for the WNBA the money is lousy but she will be asked to endorse everything I bet and will be the face of the WNBA
Next NBA all star game she should go against Steph in a 3 point contest that would be something
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She did not break Pistol Pete's scoring record.
She has outscored him, but whether or not it is a "record" is a matter of semantics.
@@roberthudson1959 Agreed; but she still a great player.
@@ron88303I wasn't knocking Clark, simply commenting that it is only a "record" if the NCAA calls it one.
Keep dreaming wake up... Haha
@@roberthudson1959 the NCAA can call it a waffle, but that doesn't make it one.
I don’t watch womens basketball but i do watch historical events if i have the chance see em unfold
My favorite college womens basketball player is Paige B but i gotta say this girl clark is like a woman version of steph curry her shot is insane
We all know the top scoring basketball 🏀 player of all time is Wilt Chamberlain.
@@nathanthompson3401 He scored 20,000 times according to him. With women. You didn't get the joke???
And many guys asked him please show us how it was possible and we want stats plus names.
Who cares ...apples and oranges LOL.
Clark is going to be the GOAT of women’s sport. Watch out Serena Williams.
She didn’t have to compete against the great men’s future NBA hall of Famers, like Pete did.
Pete shot literally 40 times a game. He was not that good, Larry Bird busted him out
@@Sambone702 Pete was past his prime when Bird was a Rookie. He averaged 30 in his peak pro days
Girl on Ohios bench wanted to clap, quick check of the surroundings and didnt because of her teammates lack of sportsmanship.
They were mad. It was a pretty lousy technical call
Please folks, when you compare Pistol Pete way back when in his days of College Basketball. He didn't have a Three Point Circle, he didn't have a Possession Clock. He also played less games per season. It was reported he averaged 44 points per game and a more defensive style of Floor Game.
No doubt Caitlin Clark is a very dominant Female Player, but the fact was. Pistol Pete M, had it a lot harder to amass his College Career Points. In fact, it was said, had Pistol Pete have a Three Point Circle, he would have scored 6000 points.
Pistol Pete has 3166 FG attempts, Caitlin Clark currently has 2593 FG attempts
Pistol Pete has 1152 FT attempts, Caitlin Clark currently has 890 FT attempts.
That's 573 more FG attempts and 262 more FT attempts.
Pistol Pete has basically averaged 38 FG attempts and 14 FT's per game. Clark has only averages 20 FG attempts and 7 FT"s per game.
History
Took her 150 games to do what Pete did in 83 games.
Took maravich an extra 600 shots to do what she did. if Clark had her Daddy coaching her in college, and let her jack up 40 shots per game, without even thinking about defense, passing, or winning, she would have another 2000.
@@bauerj3398 if Pete had a three point line was allowed to take step back shots and "Eurosteps" that would be a travel in his time, had a restricted zone under the basket and could palm the ball like they can today he would have scored 70 a game.
@@arizjones Step back threes were around, and legal, in the 70's. Clark is not scoring with a Eurostep. You are right about the different standard regarding palming. I have had people critique Maravich for 'slap dribbling', but that was the only way to do it at the time.
I agree that Maravich was an innovational and generational offensive player, but to dismiss Clark because she did it more games is folly. She did it taking literally half the shots of Maravich.
One other thing that needs to be mentioned in a comparison is ball size. The women's ball is signficantly smaller, resulting in more room for error on shots.
@@bauerj3398 No bro, what people get to do now was a travel in Pete's time.
@@bauerj3398 Well at least you admit ball size is a factor. Over 500 additional points due to three point shots is also a factor. I can tell you shooting with a small ball definitely increases shooting percentage as well as range.
Why are they so much better than the WNBA?
Why only 4 seed?
Since when did men's and women's records become interchangeable with one another? They're separate leagues. This doesn't make sense. (BTW, she's a phenomenal player, but unless they start playing against one another, it's not thw same thing.)
Yall better give her the same energy yall gave sinbrina during all star weekend trying to discredit her for using a girl ball during 3 point contest .... because she was using a female ball ... whats the difference in this she beat Pete's record but does it really care
This lady has made women’s basketball watchable.
Minus the fact that she has played 46 more games than he did.
And was not playing against men.
While averaging less than 1/2 as many shot attempts and FT's per game as Pistol Pete did.
@@clipcoug1139 But also playing against girls. And with a 3-pt line.
@@clipcoug1139 the number of shots and FT does not matters. Only the point scored because that is the record she broke.
@@ak102986: Yeah it does, because it shows that you have no point bringing up her playing 46 more games than him.
Jesus loves. kaitlin wins.
I really wish they didn't call that weak tech, not that it mattered though. That stepback 3 she shoots is just deadly
Her getting this record is not an apples to apples comparison to Pete Maravich.
He averaged over 44 ppg in 3 seasons, not 4. The 3 point basket didn't exist when he played.
Clark made over 500 3 pointers. Change those to 2 pointers, and she's not even close.
Like I said, it's not apples to apples.
And no, I'm not a hater. I'm just quoting statistics.
When Pete Maravich set that record he wasn't playing against girls.
It's not the same thing just because Caitlin and Pete played the same sport, Flo Jo ran the fastest 100m for a woman ever but no one says Bolt broke her record...because he's a man. Catlin can't break the men's record if she's never played against men.
What if Pete Maravich had played against women or if Caitlin Clark had played against men.
So no she may have set a higher women’s record but she didn’t break the men’s record.
No one's saying she's better than men, bro. We all know the best players in the men's division play 1 season in college and go to the NBA. Regardless, though, a bucket is a bucket. Yes, it's against women, but a bucket is a bucket.
Respect and congrats to Caitlin. She's phenomenal. With that being said, Pete only played 3 seasons, not 4. Freshman weren't allowed to play on the varsity team. There also wasn't a 3-point line or a shot clock.
Long before Iowa star Caitlin Clark hit her first long-range three or signed her first autograph, Pearl Moore set a scoring standard for women’s basketball that has stood for 45 years.
The soft-spoken woman from South Carolina led her team at Francis Marion to the postseason four years in a row, averaging more than 30 points every season. The 5-foot-7 guard once scored 60 points in a game.
She did it all under the radar in many ways, playing at a tiny school from 1975-79 when the Association for Intercollegiate Athletics for Women (AIAW) oversaw the sport. Her career points total - a staggering 4,061 - still stands as the overall record in women’s hoops and is unlikely to fall this season even if Clark and the Hawkeyes make another deep NCAA Tournament run.
Yet, no man breaks the record. Only Caitlin Clark.
@amanrush7722 Correct. It would be almost impossible to do that against other men. Someone would have to average more than 44.2 points over 3 seasons or around 34 points over 4 season (assuming they didn't go pro).
Pistol Pete also averaged 38 shots per game and 14 FT's per game. Caitlin Clark averaged about 20 shots per game (and never took 38 shots in any game) she's played in and averages less than 7 FT's per game.
@clipcoug1139 She also has a lower fg%, uses a smaller ball, and plays against women. Caitlin is amazing, but that doesn't mean she should be compared to Pete Maravich. They are two different sports. If we went back and counted how many of Pete's shots were from 3-point range, this wouldn't even be a conversation. Celebrate them both for what they are. Both truly impressive.
Perfect how it went down... She stood alone, and now she stands alone. Fate... Can't make this stuff up!##
I thought Fox News is not a "woke" news network. How can you compare women's sports to men's sports?
You mad bro?
Given her accomplishment, there's no doubt she'll be first pick in the NBA draft. If not she should sue in the name of justice for all women.
Was the three-point line a thing back when Pete played? Meaning, did she put the ball through the hoop as many times as he did? Points aside.
Yeah that’s nice but now it’s time for her to find a man and start making dinner!
Congratulations to Caitlin Clark! You broke Pete Maravich's scoring record despite Pete not having a 3 point line or a shot clock.
It's crazy how lame it is to criticize things people have no control over in order to diminish the achievements they earned. Why comment this? Seriously please let me know why you feel the need to negatively project your opinions on someone who doesn't know you and in her highschool freshman year exceeded exceeded your achievements?
@stefanharris659 but that's why they shouldn't say she beat his record. They shouldn't even be compared.
Pistol Pete: 38 FG attempts and 14 FT attempts per game
Caitlin Clark 20 FG attempts and 7 FT attempts per game.
Now let us see her try and play in the NBA and see how that goes :)
Makes sense
How many points would she have in a high school men’s varsity basketball game w her imposing 6ft 150lb figure
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hmmm, but is she actually extremely good? best NBA player only play one year in college before moving to NBA, I don't know if it's the same for WNBA.
The rules for the WNBA are different for women. I think women have to Graduate from college or something something like that. Whereas men just have to be 19 or turning 19 the year in which they are drafted.
The WNBA draft requires 4 yrs of college or age 22, which makes it even tougher for players like Clark who aren't on traditional powers and top teams to win a title, because those top teams can horde recruits and transfers for years before they can declare for the draft. This hasn't been an issue in the men's game because of 1-and-done, and even no college awhile back (like when LeBron skipped college).
She's the female version of Steph Curry.
I never watch women basketball much, can anyone tell me if most of them only have 15" vert? or do they intentionally not go near their max vert during layup.
He did good in college but definitely not ready for the NBA
She did not play against male defensive players so she did not break the men’s scoring record.
Take note WNBA, this is the type of female bball players people pay to see.
Maravich's total of 3,667, amassed in just 83 games over three seasons at LSU (1967-70). Her total so far is 3,685 in 130 games. 47 more games?!!!!
Why stop at only some of the numbers, is it cuz you don't know them or don't want to give more context? Here you go: Pete also took 38.1 shots per game and 3,166 total shots vs her 19.9 and 2,582 shots she needed to pass his point total. So it's absolutely fair to say that Pete only played 83 games in 3 yrs vs her 130 in 4 to accumulate those points, but it's also fair to say that his extra 584 shots is an extra 29-30 games using her shot average, meaning that Pete took 5 Clark years' worth of shots to amass those points.
@@darchon5nice.😎
@@darchon5 Nice try. But also, Pete played without a 3pt line; and the numbers show he would have average 56 pts per game instead of his actual 44 (and her 28). Also; Pete didn't play against girls.
@@ron88303 I was only responding to OP's numbers, but no prob, you really want to go there, let's do it, nothing to hide here. Although pro tip: if you want to bring up that Dale Brown analysis, then don't just use partial facts/context, and use all the numbers relevant to his scoring for a fair comparison, not just some of them that are in his favor only. So as you said, nice try. Now here's what that actually looks like:
First, you want to just blindly quote the 44.2 ppg vs 28.3 ppg numbers without mentioning shots at all? Don't you think Clark might be a bit better than 28 with almost 2x the shots including 2x the free throws, like Pete had? More below, but first the shot chart analysis:
Brown's short (edit: shot, typo blah!) chart analysis was that Pete would've averaged 57.0 ppg if simply drawing a 3-pt line at 19' 9", not the modern 22' 1.75", oops didn't mention that did you? Plus, simply drawing a line pays no regard to the defense being played - ie, if there was actually a line for a shot worth 50% more, people would maybe guard him more instead of just leaving him open back there at least some of the time for long 2s. So no, Pete wouldn't average 57 with the modern line, but we actually don't know what it'd be and that'd be nice to have, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say that he'd still in the 50s.
So giving Pete the 3 is fair. To also be fair, let's give Clark his 38.1 shots/game instead of her 19.9, which is a huge difference and a 1.915 multiplier, so applying her same FG%, her 3,685 pts becomes 7,057 pts, and with her 130 games that's 54.3 ppg. Then take away her freshman year because we're really trying to be fair to both, right, and Pete didn't have his freshman year either: so that'd be 2,886 x 1.915 = 5,527, and in her 100 games played in those 3 yrs that's 55.3 ppg. So whether 54.3 or 55.3, that's in the vicinity of Pete's 57 ppg with the shorter 3-pt line and assuming no changes in defense.
Now you gotta throw gender into it, ok: just a reminder, Clark's a girl too. So she has all the same deficiencies with less muscle, smaller hands, etc. She's 5" and 43 lbs less than Pete was in college, not exactly near his size. Each of them can only play who they play.
And speaking of who they play, you'll gladly delve into gender but not race eh? The SEC wasn't racially integrated in Pete's day, and just barely started doing so his senior year. So he only played a handful of games against integrated nonconference schools, plus the beginnings of it in some SEC schools starting his senior year. But each of them can only play who they play, right? Or does that only apply to race but not gender to you?
Then for more context you can add in how much more efficient Clark is on offense, with significantly better percentages across the board. We can dive into all those numbers too if you want. Then you could also throw in assists and rebounds, where she's also ahead.
And newsflash: nobody here's trying to argue that Clark's better or more impressive than Pete, just that she deserves more respect, as in: she's in the same ballpark of dominance vs her competition as he was vs his. And to really see this, we should try to compare their scoring numbers in a fair way, which I've now done above. So after all that if you can't accept that and just want to say Pete was on a different level because he was allowed to take all those shots and played against mostly all white guys in the 60s to 1970 vs Clark with half of his shots playing against women, then go right ahead. But at least there's more info that's been presented now, so everyone can form their opinions with better context.
I like to see a female athlete that works hard, has multiple skills, unselfish, team player, has a mental game, finesse make this achievement rather than a transformer, an LGBTQRSTUV+-, or an 8ft genetic freak of nature!
She is HIM!
She is HER, not HIM. Don't twist reality.😂
@@walter9243 HIM can stand for His Imperial Majesty or Her imperial Majesty. Thanks for learning.
LOL. I never knew Pete Maravich played in the women’s league.
Caitlin had the advantage of being able to play with a smaller and lighter ball. Easier to score against inferior female defenders.
Great Accomplishment, But the reality is: If Pistol Pete Maravich would have had the 3pt shot AND could have played his freshman year ( wasn't allowed then), he would have had close to 6,000 pts. Greatest "male" college hoopster, ever!!
Keep dreaming...
And playing the "what if" game, What if Caitlin Clark shot 38 times and 14 FT's per game like Pete did, instead of half those numbers like she does now?
Cant compare women's basketball to mens basketball way different when pete played they didn't call all these ticky tac fouls and the difference in the physical aspect of the game is way different and they don't play defense now days it's just try and out score the other team
it's kinda hard to guard someone who is scoring from 30 feet away, just sayin'
my dog has bad gas.not a joke. not a joke!
Great player. Also, #5 all time in turnovers and will be among the top in missed shots all time. Wonderful lesson that you can mess up a bunch and still be good. Let's be real. She led NCAA is TOs in her first two years, currently 2nd this year. She has the ball all the time. All stats inflated. And a logo 3 that you hit, maybe 30% of time, is a bad shot. That's why she's never come close to hitting half her shots for a season. Don't let the mistakes define you.
Put down the haterade and/or keep that same energy for LeBron, who has the most points and turnovers ever... yet no one mentions his turnovers. Also get your facts right: Clark is 40% from 25-30', which better than respectable from that distance. So you just looooooove harping on her only negative all-time ranking being #5 in turnovers. But who are you trying to fool, is that the biggest takeaway for Clark, really? "Let's be real" you say, wish you were. I'll see your one top 5 ranking and raise you with a bunch of her other top 5 rankings:
#1 in 3 of her 4 yrs in scoring and assists
#1 in win shares once and #3 in WS twice in her 4 yrs
#3 in PER twice in her 4 yrs
all-time: #1 in points; #3 in assist %; #5 in assists - Clark is the only college player ranked in the top 50 in both pts and asts since at least 1987 (as far back as women's stat lists go).
So yes, while Clark does turn it over too much, it's a direct result of her elite scoring & playmaking the combo of which has never been seen before at that level. And her career assist/turnover ratio is 1.78, while not amazing is more than respectable for a point guard who's a prolfic scorer. For reference, compare her ratio to those of All-Americans Amoore at VTech who is 2nd in assists, and Juju at USC who is 2nd in scoring: Amoore has a close-to-identical 1.83 career ast/to ratio yet only has half of Clark's scoring, while Juju only has a 0.85 ast/to ratio with less than half of Clark's assists.
And you were quite content to point out how Clark has "never come close to hitting half her shots" even though her career 46.5% FGs is respectable for scoring point guard, so then what do you think about the widely anointed second-coming, Juju, who is only at 41.6%, even though she's a guard who is 2" taller and a lot stronger?
Also, quite convenient to only harp on Clark's FG% but entirely ignore her much more impressive effective FG% of 56.4% and true shooting of 61.1%, don't you think? Or are you going to pretend you don't know/care about such advanced metrics? Ok then, here's a comparison with some of the best current and all-time players to help put Clark's shooting into context:
Clark: 46.5% FG, 56.4% eFG, 61.1% TS
Juju: 41.6% FG, 46.3% eFG, 52.4% TS
Brink: 53.5% FG, 55.5% eFG, 60.0% TS
Reese: 50.7% FG, 50.9% eFG, 56.1% TS
Ionescu: 45.5% FG, 53.7% eFG, 57.5% TS
Plum: 44.3% FG, 51.0% eFG, 57.7% TS
Parker: 53.8% FG, 54.4% eFG, 58.3% TS
Taurasi: 46.9% FG, 56.8% eFG, 59.7% TS
The only ones with higher FG% are forwards, yet Clark still beats everyone pretty handily in both advanced metrics except for Taurasi's eFG. Not too shabby for someone who you pointed out takes 'bad shots', eh?