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They could've done what Lin Manuel Miranda did with In The Heights. He had a minor role, that showed up here and there and another actor played Usnavi. Made so much sense and really gave the movie a bit of a difference to the show, in a good way. I don´t know who Ben could've played, cuz I don´t know the show well enough, but if he really HAD to be in the movie, they could've done that.
I enjoyed In the Heights but planned on skipping this one
They could ben platt play evans father in like a flashback or something just do that
He had to be in the movie FOR Ben Platt's benefit, and to "immortalize" his role or some shit. So for that reason, it was important that he was the lead.
@@manuelorozco7760 It's really good, still an enjoyable experience, People on here giving their opinion who don't know the show and haven't seen the film are really pissing me off!
@@kickthespike I’ve seen the stage show two years ago thank you very much. I liked it but I was a teeny bit of a bigger fan of the music more so than the story. And this Pandemic hasn’t put me in much of a mood for an emotional powerhouse of a musical.
I kept picturing Andrew Barth Feldman in the role and realised how much more sympathy I’d have for the entire situation if I genuinely believed it was a teenager making these mistakes and not a grown man
This 👌🏼
yeah, and the only us scene too. I also imagine how pretty it would’ve looked with this new Zoe (who is wonderful) and Andrew as Evan :(
exactlyyyy
andrew is THE evan after ben’s original. like he is totally my favourite and could’ve done thai so much justice :(
*this
I hate that they went out of their way to give Connor his own song in the third act in an attempt to establish him as his own character and person.... and then ended the film with Evan singing that song. They still found a way to make CONNORS OWN SONG about Evan.
Omg sooo true
Omg noooooo I’m cackling
It's about Evan learning a lesson from Connor. Becoming a better person, and not following the actions of Connor. Connor changed Evan. It isn't that Evan stole Connor's song, Connor changed Evan completely as a person.
@@josephcline3652
Spoilers btw:
I haven’t seen the musical, but have seen the movie, and I absolutely loved it.
Yeah, I can see that. It is sad to say, but, Connor’s death saved Evan from that fate in a way, a life should not be sacrificed for another, but it gave him an opportunity to see life’s gifts, and to live a better life than the one he was living. I think that this hatred for the movie is overblown, I found the movie to be very sad/good because it gives a good message that no matter what happens in life, you can still turn your life around. It also shows how being fake to people can end up making things worse than they started.
I could definitely see myself in Evan a lot because of the social anxiety/thoughts of harm, he seemed like all he wanted was for things to turn around for him/to help a grieving family. He tried to make them feel as if their son was much better off than he was. Evan should not have done this, but he did all he could to save the reputation of himself/Connor, and to build a better legacy. And when things stopped working out, and it was starting to hurt the people he cared about, he turned it around and took the blame.
I see it as a poor, socially awkward kid trying his best to make the best out of a bad situation, and to live life to the fullest. He wasn’t trying to harm anyone, and was just trying to establish relationships/set himself up for a better life.
I honestly believe this kind of hatred that this movie is getting is the kind of hatred that could very well lead someone to self-harm, and is the kind of hatred shown in the film. I know one thing for certain, people hate lots of things when it first comes out, but later on, we might see a shift in attitude.
The omission of Anybody Have A Map was the biggest mistake of the whole movie. It’s world building in its purest form and without it we’re just expected to know where we are and who’s who. It also robbed Conner of his story.
I think Amy Adams played the role straight and it’s the only way she could have played it but that raw grief juxtaposed with the more stage presentation of the other characters makes it jarring. In essence I think Amy was too good for the movie material but would love to see her play the part on stage.
Finally, I think this shower Evan at his most unlikeable. They should have fleshed him out more in movie form. He just wasn’t kind in this version of him.
Conner already had practically no story in the stage show and they cut him even more
I haven't seen the film, nor will I, but Anybody Have A Map was a very necessary part of the story. It introduced everything from family dynamics to Conner's preexisting issues to Evan's own struggles. I can't imagine introducing this story without that song.
I haven’t watched the movie yet but I’m SO sad that “anybody have a map?” isn’t in the movie. It’s such an important song!
I have no plans to watch the movie but I would if this was 2019 again. And I would have liked to see Amy as Heidi more so than Cynthia.
That song is my favorite! I'm so sad that I won't get to hear Amy Adam singing "Pour another cup of coffee, and watch it all crash and burn".
“This movie wouldn’t have been made without me”….then maybe it shouldn’t have been made. 😬
Here here!
"This movie shouldn't have been made with me" There, fixed it for him.
“His dad is a lead producer and he bought the rights so that Ben could play the role before he aged out of it, which, by the way, Marc Platt, he already did” I think that’s the biggest issue with the mindset that Ben HAD to play Evan. Ben was pushing it when he was playing Evan on Broadway when he was like 23/24, so now that he’s 27 playing a 17 year old, it’s even LESS convincing. Even if they had rushed this movie out right after the show premiered so that Ben was young enough where he could convincingly play Evan, it wouldn’t have worked.
andrew barth feldman and jordan fisher are both RIGHT THERE too. so many other evans to choose from.
@@Blue-jk5fy Well Jordan Fisher is actually 27 but I see your point!
So basically privilege ruined this? Classic rich people shenanigans.
@@livinlikeeli6785 mhm! j fish just looks younger than ben platt, as do most of the evans i can recall rn
Exactly, and how many times have the Tony award winning actor/actress passed over for the film role? I mean, JULIE ANDREWS was passed over for film roles (plural!) for the roles she had originated. The entire cast of Prom was passed over. The idea that no one else could play Evan for the film absolutely would not have been a thing unless his Dad was the producer.
Ben Platt is taking the criticism too personally and fails to realize he just doesn’t fit the role well anymore lol which is OKAYYY, literally it’s part of growing up and moving forward in your career. But the arrogance is too strong and really does end up taking away from Evan the character
I think part of the problem was having actors around Ben who do look young. If they did what they did with The Politician and hired actors who look a similar age to him, I think it would've worked better. Plus what they did with Ben's hair kinda set him up. I feel like it makes him look even older. Overall though i will say that I didn't hate the film either. Not the best movie musical I've seen but definitely not the worst either.
I completely disagree I think he looks very young I've seen middle schoolers (I'm in middle school) that look older than him
@@benathon5444 well... That's definitely a take I wasn't expecting.
@@benathon5444 nah, fam
@@yasminemixon9340 it's not a question its statement
Speaking as someone who is not from America and therefore has not actually seen middle school Americans other than how they're portrayed on TV, I agree that they should have casted actors who look more like Ben's age range.
I'm not saying every one of the characters needs to look mature like Ben, but if they casted like 1 or 2 more people who look like him, it would have looked more natural imo
Also might be a hot take and I don't mean any offense to people who have this opinion but I don't personally like the argument that Ben looks like some middle schoolers given that he is around 10 years older than an actual middle schooler?? People already have an issue with say, Riverdale stars playing teens when they're around their 20's, so it's to be expected people would raise an eyebrow if Ben did the same.
wish they would have just released the live stage recording instead of trying to force a movie out of something that seems to work better on stage
I also think it works better as a stage show, I feel like the movie wants the audience to believe that these characters are real people, which is particularly jarring when we are expected to accept Evans actions coming out of the mouth of a man 10 years older than he should be. At least Ben *shouldn't* get an Oscar now, which, tbh, I think was the main driving factor behind the movie
Hot take to break in a glove is a good song and though I understand they had to be very selective because of time, people need to stop acting like it’s boring and useless. Evan’s lack of a relationship with his real dad and seeing Larry’s character shine through is very important and the message of that song reigns supreme. They kind of communicated some of this with that short baseball glove scene but I wishfully hoped they would include more of the moral as well
I don’t love the song, it’s not on any of my playlists but it’s SO important for the story. You’re 100% correct
I really like the song as well. And Michael Park give such a fantastic voice acting performance in the recording? Like there are just little choices that bring it to life, like you can hear the exact moment he can’t resist telling Evan the right way to break in the glove.
Same. The metaphor to this song is just an icing to the cake when the song's whole existence is a breakdown of Larry and Connor's relationship. Not that they care about that cause they downgraded him to be a stereotype that most stepfathers have severed ties with their children. Plus the way he positions Evan to be his next son is hilarious.
Glove is a mediocre song at best. And the message is such a cliche.
@@samadler3 I knew someone was boutta drop in and say something silly like dis😖😖😖JK LOL I get that it’s not the most exciting song for everyone, but I still think the arc of the story it provides is important
“disappear” is a better song than “you will be found,” imo, and speaks way more to the actual subject of the show than the feel-good sugarcoating most of the marketing for the show has focused on
imo, “disappear” feels like evan’s subconscious trying to justify his own behavior and it being replaced by “the anonymous ones” reeeaaaallly convolutes the message. in the movie version, they try to give alana more depth but in the end, she’s just selfish and has this idea that she’s some kind of savior. the fact that her song is in place of a song like disappear and is trying to be a genuine statement of “we’re doing a good thing” doesn’t strike a wonderful chord
I think that you will be found is so popular because middle school choir directors are obsessed with it
@@garetmorris2435 THIS HNFOSNFNSHFND
also it’s way more marketable so… ugh
And the reality is , you may not be found. You have to figure out how to not need to be found. To find a quality or ability in yourself hat you can build on to get the things you need. Dan Savage started a blog "it gets better". For young gays.
YES. I agree ten fold
Your take about us seeing Ben not Evan is an INCREDIBLE TAKE!
I was so hoping they'd use the movie as an opportunity to tie up the loose ends the show has but it sounds like they didn't.
I've always felt that Connor's family had a really interesting and complex story to tell. We got a little cheated out of an authentic resolution to their conflicts because they were all "solved" with Evan's lies. I'd hoped the movie might have circled back a bit at the end to show how Connor's family is actually remembering Connor now that they know Evan's version wasn't real.
TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!
Might have a point there. And Evan reconciling with Jared and Alana
I'd rather Dear Evan Hansen be from Connor and his family's perspective.
One of the big issues is that we don't really see anyone else's perspective. Anybody have a map, disappear and good for you in particular show the audience the scope of what Evan is doing by showing us what everyone else is thinking. By eliminating their points of view it unintentionally softens the severity of the situation.
Yeah... "unintentionally"
@@aldendomino3523 yeah, didn't the writer/directors say they cut songs bc they wanted to focus ONLY on Evan's perspective?? It was very purposeful.
It's pretty crazy/arrogant that they didnt see how flawed that idea was. They clearly all thought Evan/the show was perfect
@@ambriaashley3383 blacklist the writer/directors. Seriously, they've proven they don't belong in or deserve to work in hollywood... or broadway.... or starbucks
@@aldendomino3523 At least they are good songwriters
While you can get away with hiring older actors to play teenagers on stage, it's less plausible on film, since the wide close up shots and make up choices make Platt look his actual age!
i thought tbh he looked a LOT older
The thing is Ben has looked younger in other tv/film roles. The styling did so much damage here
The makeup made him look far older than his actual age. He looked like someone in his 40's who'd gotten a lot of work done. When you've made a part look the kind of age where Rob Lowe could realistically play it, you've aged out of 'teenager'.😂
I'm Ben Platt's age and he looks waaaay older than me and the rest of my friends. He looks 10 years older than he actually is. They did him dirty with the hair and makeup. He looks younger in The Politician.
I’m 30 and I thought Platt looked older than me and I’m too old to play a teenager.
I wonder how much better this film would’ve been if it was animated and not live action. Think about it:
Ben could reprise his role without any setbacks
More of the og cast also could’ve reprised their roles
There could’ve been much more elaboration on the Murphy family and Connor because creative liberties could’ve been taken
They could use the book as reference, since the book does elaborate on a lot of things.
Nothing would need to get cut out
IDK, it’s just a thought, but I do wonder what could’ve been done differently.
Perhaps, but then I feel like it would be taken less seriously. Though I dunno, maybe it could work. People don't usually think to make movie musicals adapted from stage musicals animated but it's definitely an interesting thought of what could've been.
I have to agree that Ben Platt was a complete mistake and the perceived arrogance has put me off, this is from someone who loves the on stage Dear Evan Hansen. The removal of Does Anyone Have a Map, Disappear and Good for You are criminal although Disappear was kind of forced on by changing Alana's character completely. Personally I think they could have given a nod to Ben as they were clearly happy to change parts of the story, perhaps they could have cast him as Dr Sherman a relatively junior psychiatrist even the Hansen's money who could guide Evan two or three times and be used as a way of underlining how he's struggling to speak up about the mistaken identity of the note etc, and have someone of the right age in the role of Evan. I don't really think having the redemption arc helped much and probably explains why on stage they don't do it as they want the audience to leave emotional and raw, not add 15 minutes on beyond so big so small and lose that.
I love that idea! Like how they did in the Jamie movie for the original actor. It would have been a lovely passing the torch moment!
I agree the arrogance of Ben and what Evan does in the show made me not be able to separate the character and person. Plus he was the wrong actor to play a 17 year old. I know that his and other characters are flawed but the fact that he doesn't seem to change and GRT a resolution is a bad move for any movie
it would have been great to see Ben mentoring someone younger and not well known into the role of Evan... like imagine that? You were totally right about how his arrogance carried into people disliking the movie/character.
Ok what you said about “if I could tell her” is so true. It’s such a pretty song but once you listen to the lyrics you’re like oh shit this is soooo problematic
Especially with Only Us with the way Evan sorta overacts(?) while Zoey is in his room, it was *very uncomfortable*
His delivery was much less creepy sounding in the studio version
@@heath6802 it literally shows a closeup of her taking off her jacket and then he looks all nervous. And it wouldn't feel like she was being sexualized as much if Platt actually looked like a teenager.
@@emmeoliver5007 EXACTLY! He’s trying to have it come off as awkward but it just doesn’t mesh with his age
One thing I did like about the DEH stage show was the use of Connor in that he became a voice in Evan's head and became a symbol for Evan's idealization of him and Evan's lies. And I felt that the Broadway production made that very very clear and used it as a tool to show us Evan's mental state (especially in act 2 with the "did you fall or did you let go" moment). But they completely cut out so much of Connor in the movie that they don't get to use him as much because they were far too focused on the realism of it.
Also the Broadway show emphasized the guilt and emotions that the parents felt, and the movie just....... ignores so much of that.
Yes yes yes!!
I wasn’t crazy about Imaginary Connor to be honest.
I was in high school when this musical was popular. I was also struggling with undiagnosed Bipolar Disorder with anxiety aspects. When I first got interested in the show, I was obsessed, but for all the wrong reasons. I was more interested in the idea of Connor that Evan presented. I wanted to create my own version of Connor that I could turn into whatever I wanted. So I wrote fanfiction about Evan and Connor, I projected my gender identity and sexuality onto the characters. I was falling into the same trap as the characters who weren't Evan in the show.
Because that's what people did: They turned Connor into an idea. Someone they could project onto rather than a real, living human being who died. And the movie, in my opinion, made this so much worse. They didn't develop Connor at all, not even a little bit. They wanted him to represent all the people who died by suicide instead of being a real person. And the fact that we learn next to nothing about him is kinda messed up in my opinion. I understand that we don't know anything about him because Evan doesn't, but the movie (and the show too to a lesser extent) gave me the feeling of "if you take your own life, maybe good will come of it and you will help other people not feel so alone because of the idea of you". I remember there were several times during my DEH obsession where I thought about how if one person doing something so extreme could help prevent other people from hurting themselves, why shouldn't I?
That's just my view on it, though.
you’re SO right. i was in the fandom but only fairly briefly, i pretty much left the moment i watched the bootleg. but all the fans i saw had this exact same reaction, of assuming real connor was the same as evan’s personified guilt connor.
This is so eloquently written, you put into words what I can never really say!
I'm SO sorry that you went through that, this honestly makes me want to cross DEH right out of my tbw musicals list
It's not just Connor that gets this treatment by the fandom. Evan is portrait as this pure angel child which he really isn't. But you are by far not the only one who expressed feelings like this. The only piece of deh media that does show what the real Connor was like is the novel an even there they make some bold moves, Evan is a lot more of a douche and Connor basically gets the too pure for this sinful world treatment. Anyway hope you're doing better now.
Yes, I think they shoud have shown who Connor really was, to show more how in fact, nobody remembers him properly because someone decided to use his death to fix his own issues.
I kinda like that DEH is morally ambiguous about that, but the problem with moral ambiguity, is that if you don't do it properly, it can end up badly. I think the stage version was not that bad though they could have handled it better, in particular when it comes to show how what Evan did was wrong (we almost have only his point of view which leads people in the fandom to idealize him, when he really should not be idealized). I haven't see the movie, but from what I read, it seems to be worse than the original when it comes to that...
I think his father buying the rights and letting his son play the role is telling enough lol Ben Platt is talented of course but it’s just another one of those “film/theatre being manipulated by power and money” stitch. The role literally could’ve gone to anyone else, it’s off-putting seeing him on screen for this movie
and the fact that some of the only songs that were cut are the ones that call Evan out/paint him as a bad person. It very much feels like there was some kind of behind the scenes meddling where they (Marc Platt most likely) wanted Evan to be portrayed as a faultless character
The crazy thing is I didn’t have this background when I saw the movie. I watched it thinking Ben platt knew he probably shouldn’t have been Evan with how different he looked and that the director REALLY was insistent. That being said I still didn’t like the movie. There were so many issues and the songs they cut out gave the movie more. The director said he wanted the movie to have a tighter lense on Evan and I think that is where they went wrong because Evan is really the one who does the wrong thing in the movie. So having him be the sympathetic lead doesn’t work, especially with how much older he looked.
From the beginning I was afraid how the movie would be done and Marc producing the movie for Evan didn’t surprise me
hopefully in ten years they can make a good version of this movie.
If anyone wants to see Ben Platt in a great role where you can see his talent showcased well, obviously The Politician is great, but he's in an episode of the new BJ Novak show, The Premise, and he's amazing. I wish he hadn't done this role, he's so talented, and his music is phenomenal, and its just a bummer to see him get dragged so much.
Literally! I love his music and I feel so bad for him
The main issue that I think is damaging his career is his own arrogance ( at least in the interviews about this movie)
@@rosariomedina5935 oh dear - really?
He was so likable and talented in pitch perfect, I hope that’s closer to who he is
I think, after he's done this, I really don't want to see him anymore.
“I did think, at the end of the song, that Jared didn’t need to be there.”
I feel like Jared doesn’t have friends as well but he’s too proud to admit it. That’s why he tagged along with Evan and Connor in Sincerely, Me.
I definitely agree with this in the show! But I didn’t feel like we had enough story of him in the movie for that to quite land and it did feel a bit weird him being there for me though
See also: Sincerely me reprise
I definitely think what makes the West End production feel better is the fact you can 100% believe Sam Tutty is a high school teenager. The suspension of disbelief isn’t a stretch, whereas with Ben it’s a chasm
i wish they'd filmed it hamilton / old cats style - the way its staged adds so much to the weight of it. waving is so weird with him singing to noone - on stage he shares it with the audience so you're on his side? idk
and they cut my two fave songs ha.
but i do like the expansion of alana, even though the song is a bit meh and the direction they took her in. and the love storyline is so. still ew.
THANK YOUU for bringing up the point about how bad of a move it was to remove anybody have a map. I’m sorry the way they opened with waving through a window and the camera direction was 💀😭
“They gave him an old lady’s perm” I didn’t see it until she said that! 😂
Also that tik tok marketing makes me so uncomfortable
My personal issue was how awfully cliche the directional approach was. For example, during Requiem, you could tell where the bridge was going directionally, that she'd eventually have to break, and then she'd dramatically say 'That I knew' when the car was stopped, it just made me roll my eyes with how obvious it was. This happened a lot in the film.
In my opinion, this film showed how flawed the plot of DEH is as a show, Sincerely Me had ALWAYS made me feel uncomfortable despite how popular it was, and this film SHOWED how uncomfortable the song and plot is
Unfortunately Requiem is the only song with any thoughtful composition put into it! It’s just such a shame, like you said, that it’s so cliche to the point of being something to check off of a list
On it being uncomfortable: Don’t even get me started on Only Us, especially the lead up into the actual song
The part where he makes up the day out w him was so much worse put in the context of the plot
Platt sinks the movie but so do the editing choices and directing. Perhaps with a more competent director, tighter script and another lead this could have worked. This was one of my most anticipated movies of the year and IMHO it was not very good which is a major pity considering the talent attached to the film.
While it did feel a little out of place, I actually did like the way they used that flashback of him running in the park. To me it really emphasized how badly he wanted to repress that memory, how each time he changed the story he wanted so badly for it to be true and for people to believe him that he kind of made himself believe it. Until we finally see the real version.
same here! at first it does feel quite unnecessary to bring it up way to many times, but it makes sense in the end
anybody have a map is such a good introduction to the characters and story, I have no clue why they cut it (mad about good for you being cut as well)
YES, I completely agree with the casting issue! Evan's young age is absolutely central to being able to establish sympathy for his character IMO! so even though we see adults play teenagers all the time, a lot of that is in media in which teenagers behave like adults 80% of the time (think basically every teen CW drama ever) and their age is more a byproduct of a setting (high school) than a part of their story. I was so wishing they would cast a young unknown actor for this part.
Its the youthful prescence that counts
I think you said everything I was thinking.
The number one problem with me for this is besides Ben Platt the removed the songs that help fix the story and give each character more screen time.
For example besides skipping the opening number they skipped Good For You where Evan gets a lot of backlash from three of the biggest people in his life and you can tell it hurts him and that Alana Jared and Heidi are hurt deeply by his actions.
(To break in a glove though was a good cut in my opinion)
Literally! good for you is one of my favourites because he basically gets a good telling off from his mum. I think it’s so important in the show that we all acknowledge that what he’s done is wrong and by taking those songs out it makes Evan rather unlikeable in my opinion. It’s such a shame about this movie, from the look of the trailer it looked like it would be amazing!
I'm yet to see the movie but saw reviews saying Evan never really had any consequences for his actions, so immediately knew that "good for you" had to have been removed. That's a HUGE mistake. As well as it being a massively significant point in the musical where Evan actually shows overwhelming guilt, that song could have been really interesting visually too, as it's a song that takes place in Evan's head (mostly).
(Also personally I think "to break in a glove" is important to the story regarding Evan's absence of a father figure and Larry's whole relationship with Connor, but it could feasibly be cut so long as they depict the same message in a well-written scene).
this is why you use the same boo adapters for movie musicals unless they are deceased, after beauty and the beast it was very obvious that this director didn't know how to adapt a stage or animated film musical to their fan base, adding things or removing things that didn't need to change. and just cause he wrote the scripts for Rent and wall flower, doesn't mean you don't use the same writer that wrote the tony award wining show.
I'm sorry THEY WHAT?! Why would they cut good for you?! It's a great song and has evan get the scolding he deserves after what he decided to do, just why!? It would be like cutting michael in the bathroom from a be more chill movie!
true, this is why some people didn’t like it or the ending. What they did with the story was wrong. He should’ve suffer the consequences, and they literally cut the song that showed the consequences about his actions, everyone was finding out, his mother was going crazy, and what was he gonna do? Nothing because there was no escape from the consequences, even if he suffered a mental illness, that doesn’t excuse his shitty behavior.
One of the things that I agree the most with is the omission of "Anybody Have A Map" and "To Break In A Glove" to be big error on their part. They should've even include "In The Bedroom Down The Hall". Hearing the parents' side of the situation would of helped a lot and it would have given the audience a lot more to consider when evaluating the story as a whole.
12:08 i couldn’t agree more with you!!! My God, everybody needs to hear that, I’m sick and tired of people being like “he didn’t get consecuences” or “he deserved worst things”
“Old ladies perm” 😂😂😂 Amy, me and Linford are crying 😂😂😂
Your musical theatre opinions + butterfly hair clips are everything 👏🏻👏🏻
Now that I’ve seen this film (but haven’t seen the stage show yet) I’m so surprised by how much people seem to focus on ONLY Evan’s behavior. The film is very clearly a story of how people act in desperation. Of course Evan is the worst but they’re all making manipulative choices. Connor’s parents using Evan as an emotional crutch to avoid the truth of how they couldn’t save their son (this story wouldn’t happen if they, as adults, wouldn’t have put the weight of their relationship with their dead son on a kid they’d never met). Zoe is using Evan as an escape to avoid processing grief. Alana uses Connor’s death so she can have her hands in another accomplishment for her own self worth and then shares a private note so that she doesn’t feel like a failure for not reaching that goal. Ben’s mom also feels really self-focused in the film and was actually my least favorite character (but maybe that’s a personal thing haha). THAT BEING SAID, I really thought the story is well done and unique and feels plausible. Stories can be about problematic people and be interesting stories (*cough* breaking bad, dexter *cough*). I just can’t stand how everyone puts so much focus on only Evan’s actions just because he’s the lead character, i wish it was a bigger discussion about poor choices while dealing with grief, loneliness, and mental illness instead of JUST “Evan is a psychopathic liar.”
I appreciate your opinions and you pointed out a lot of good points on the direction, editing, and cinematography of the film that I hadn’t thought of yet. Overall I did still like it and I actually liked Ben’s intense acting and kinda wish everyone else would have amped it up because to me they didn’t feel “real” but rather they felt flat. BUT Evan’s character had a lot more to work with so I don’t think it’s the actors fault’s but probably the screenplay, the direction, and/or the fact that the focus is on Evan.
I'm embarrassed that I've seen the show so many times yet really never thought about the inappropriateness of Connor's parents latching on to Evan and pouring their emotions into him as a coping mechanism. Like HOW did this never occur to me? Certainly Evan's actions are problematic AF, but they are adults and even more so should know better. Because had Evan actually been Connor's friend, as they believed, how overwhelming would that have been for him to have to manage their grief as well as his own?
Yeah, wow, everybody in this show/film is messed TF up. I guess I love them anyway because there are certainly reasons they're struggling to keep their heads above water, so to speak. I think that's what people relate to most about this story.
Your comment makes the show seem a lot more interesting to me.
thank you!!! i was looking for someone else who had this take! some people are entirely missing what i feel the message was! People do things out of desperation because they are hurting inside and the biggest problem is hiding that so deep within you that it clouds your decision making and judgement. It's not the right thing to do but it's humanistic and honest. We don't all do the right thing in every second of our lives, idk why people expect him to be without these basic human faults
@@kriziadeabreu Exactly!
@@yayshowvids6427 I think I’m just very sensitive toward this behavior because I’ve actively been in therapy the past year working on my own trauma and part of that was having to be the adult to my parents as well as carrying the weight of my mother’s grief (along with mine) when my father died.
“Hunched over and quivered his lips a bit more” HAHAHA LITERALLY!!!
“Good for you” is one of my favourite songs from the show and I was crushed to hear that it was cut from the film
The problems of Dear Evan Hansen in the stage play (same w/Rent) were always present. The movie just exacerbated those problems tenfold (also same w/Rent)
DEH and Rent are equally beautiful musicals
the director of the deh movie also wrote the screenplay for the rent movie. everything makes so much more sense now.
I enjoyed Rent as a movie. Even if having most of the OBC in their 30's was a minor issue.
If anyone wants to see a good movie musical that came out in 2021, watch everybody's talking about Jamie! Highly recommend it!
I LOVE THST ONE
I'm so so sad Disappear got cut, literally one of the most powerful and underrated songs on the soundtrack
My teacher who knows I’m a theatre kid said a few days ago “the Dear Evan Hansen movie’s coming out soon!” and I went “cool! I have no intention of watching it!” so this review is all I’m gonna watch 😅
Haha, me too, I'm just going to watch UA-camrs tear it apart online!
I love it when teachers, parents, etc know what we like. It’s so cute in my opinion :)
@@katysikkema My community class teacher saw the stage version almost a week before we met
Okay but consider also watching Jenny Nicholson's video on it because that one was a little less kind than this one and absolutely hilarious
Your cat behind you is the remake of the Cats movie we all need.
the "I originated the role, it's mine" thing reminds me of Idina Menzel, who keeps saying she should play Elphaba in the Wiched movie. Sure, she originated the role and she's iconic, but I think actors need to accept that as you age, you age out of certain roles. Just like Ben Platt isn't convincing as a teen anymore, Idina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth wouldn't be convincing as college students...
BUT! As you age out of certain roles, you can step into others! I love what Lin Manuel Miranda did with In The Heights: he likely knew Usnavi couldn't be played by his 40 year old self, so he gave it to Anthony Ramos who was fantastic, but he still appear as the Piraguero. I would love to see a simmilar thing with Wicked: get Idina Menzel to play Elphaba's Mother in the opening song, or have her and Kristin be Emerald City officials!!
I think DEH could have done a simmilar thing! Why not have Ben Platt make a smaller appearance as a teacher, as a park ranger, or even as Dr Sherman, Evan's therapist??
Anyways, just my thoughts as a 17 year old actor who is very mad about having aged out of playing Gavroche in Les Mis... :)
But at least Idina tweeted a congrats to Cynthia Erivo
I hate how the POC were done dirty with this film. If Larry was going to be played by a person of color they could have easily made Zoe and Conner biracial. Also, Alana could have been played by a dark skinned black girl instead of Amandla Stenberg (again, it’s the COLORISM for me) also, I don’t like the way Ben Platt was acting while this movie was being promoted. Let’s be honest, if his father wasn’t a producer for this film, Ben wouldn’t have even played Evan again
Not to mention, aside from the mediocre song that was added in for Alana, the POC were incredibly sidelined. It felt like they had no real impact on the story. Why couldn't we have just had Jordan Fisher as Evan?
That "Sincerely me" stuff is like when people on TikTok used "All you wanna do" from Six to say "my boyfriend is so cool" without knowing the context of the song... but this time, instead of clueless teens who made it, was the company itself 🤦♂️
"This wouldn't have been made without me." Okay. It is true. Had Ben not worked so hard to make the role what it was, this show may not have garnered the accolades it did and probably wouldn't have been as huge as it was/is on Broadway. So yes, in a manner of speaking, without the work of Ben Platt, "Dear Evan Hanson", the movie we know now, may not have been made. So it's not an incorrect statement, however the implications of the statement make him appear to be incredibly egotistical.
I feel like i'm in the minority that really enjoyed the film. But I do wish the film had righted the wrong that the stage version did by having actual consequences for Evan's actions. As I was watching, I was wishing so hard that they would make a Next To Normal adaptation with Amy Adams playing Diana. She was SO good and broke my heart. But I can see why people don't like the show or the film. But as someone who related so much to Evan (except for the lying part about him), I connected to the film and the music.
Ooooooooo now THERE'S a movie.
I enjoyed it too. I loved the added song "The Anonymous Ones." I don't know what she's talking about. If you want to see it, see it then. (because you have to see it. Don't be affected by some reviews.
I never thought of Amy playing Diana
Me too
I really liked it too! The first time I saw it, I thought it dragged on a bit long. But this past week, some of my seasonal depression came back, and I saw the movie a second time and found it more relatable and comforting. I also REALLY like Sincerely, Me and Waving Through a Window, and it helped knowing what to expect the second time around.
Of every review I've seen for this movie (and I must admit I've seen a fair chunk lol), by far I agree with you the most! Been feeling so conflicted about this show for years and now especially with the movie I'm so glad you articulated it so well!
Although I really love the soundtrack, I was never really comfortable with the storyline. Evan basically lies to and manipulates a grieving family for his own personal gain, and never suffers any reprucussions for any of this, and is forgiven by everyone, especially by Zoe.
Yeah, I overall love it but the ending never felt really tight or realistic, it’s just ‘ok he’s had his moment of regret, now let’s skip to where everything is normal again without showing how any of the other characters are dealing with it’. Like it’s clear throughout most of the show that Evans behavior isn’t good, but it never fully dives into just how horrible it is on everyone else. And yeah it’s especially weird for Zoe, if she can’t forgive her own brother for being mean to her, how is it in character for her to be okay talking to evan a year later? It’s just...so much missed potential for real growth on Evans part.
I haven't seen the show but i like that in the book he couldn't get away with it *that* easily but i agree
The family also uses him as an emotional crutch, it all actually starts because Cynthia is so desperate for Connor to have been something more than what they knew, he tries to tell them the truth but she doesnt accept it and then he keeps going because he feels they need it. He does get absorbed into the lie but it doesnt start as manipulation for his own gain. Everyone forgets that Evan isnt the only character with morally grey actions. The story is more complex than it seems (that's actually another reason I love it)
@@toxicsugarart2103 I liked the show but good enough one time only for me. I felt mixed about Evan's resolve but chose to let it slide only once.
He does, but he doesn't start out trying to do that.
When I found out they cut my 2 favourite songs from the movie because the director didnt want to focus too much on the parents and just wanted to focus on Evan I already knew there was going to be a problem. Anybody Have a Map really kicks off the whole thing but I also love Good For You for showing the damage Evan's doing even before he's found out like. the pain his mom and his friend are in when they're tossed aside for a lie. Like I might have bothered to try and watch it and ignore Ben's old face playing 17 for Amy and Julianne actually getting moments but, making the story focus even more on an already unlikeable character, not interested
I was sad about Anybody Have A Map and Disappear gone. I was a bigger fan of the first act music than the second act
I was pissed that they cut "Anybody Have a Map" and "Good for You." These were two musical numbers that were crucial to the plot. Especially when "Anybody Have a Map" is supposed to be your first musical number in the original.
"Anybody Have a Map" is crucial because it illustrates the similarities and struggles between Evan, Connor, and their respective mothers go through.
i love your butterfly clips! they’re super cute.
Cute hair and gorgeous makeup! Great, helpful review 🥰
Another great video! Thanks for covering this ❤️
great review, loved hearing your thoughts! i'm still on the fence about seeing the film as i've never seen the stage production and from the sounds of it, the stage production is much better. i’m really keen to see it on the west end and to see sam tutty play evan!
Wait! They cut "Does anybody have a map", "Dissapear" and "Good for you"
Girl, really! Literally those are part of my favorite songs from the musical and was wondering how they would look on screen. This is so sad news.
I wasn't expecting much from this movie and it seems I might've been right
Yeah I am super horrified but that myself.
I can’t believe they took them out - so disappointed
It was a great movie tho
I really love your takes, you always have grace and nuance in how you approach especially divisive topics. I agree 100% with what you said, especially with the conflation of Ben and Evan which has heightened the criticism of Evan/musical.
I think the over saturation of Ben Platt is also an issue. Like damn, give some other actors a chance.
I was so sad when they cut out the OPENING SONG. Anybody Have A Map, the movie just felt incomplete when they cut out Ben's mom struggle, and tbh Sincerely Me, is just alot better on Broadway with Will Rolland.
You always analyze and explain things SO well!!
Amy, I trust your reviews so much! Thanks for sharing
Just go watch it. I heard it had terrible reviews but I enjoyed it. Best movie I've seen in a long time.
I just want more pro shots, honestly. I watched come form away yesturady and it was amazing. And I saw deh on the west end just before lockdown and it was so good... The staging is amazing and I feel like a movie version would just feel off. Am I gonna watch it? Maybe, because now I need to see just how bad it is for myself after seeing it staged.
ANDREW BARTH FELDMAN SHOULD’VE BEEN CASTED AS EVAN HANSEN!!!!!
And can I just say,
I listened to the new soundtrack…
Words fail sounds more generic,
Like he was just singing the song with barely no emotion.
It made me feel kinda bummed not sob like the original Broadway version did.
And I can say the same as many of the other songs.
How does words fail sound more generic? To me it has more emotion than the Broadway version lol also I’ve watched the bootleg with Ben and Jordan fisher and yes the movie isn’t as good but it’s still mostly really well done! The whole cast was amazing, and the way they dived into other characters was better than in the musical. And so what if people think Ben is too old? He literally originated the role, he should be the one playing it, and he did insanely incredible!! His acting and singing is just beyond words , no one else can play the role like him to Me
My day has gotten even better thanks to you! 😍
I concur, it's always a wonderful day when Amy uploads! 🥰💞
I haven’t seen the film yet but I feel like you explained that very well, this is kind of all I was scared of for this movie, I thought you did a great job rationalising all that stuff. One thing I keep thinking about is how much Ben Platt is beloved for his role on stage (for a reason, he’s great!), and how much he doesn’t work for the movie version. The reason, for me, is that a stage musical and a movie are completely different mediums! You don’t act the same way on stage as you do for a camera because the audience doesn’t see the same things, the focus of a scene and the scale of a scene changes with its medium. I’m not saying Ben Platt can’t act for film, because he can, but some body language, expressions etc that can be « exaggerated » on stage, just don’t translate to film. On stage, the audience is further away, and you need to share emotions in a bigger way for it to be felt, and it is accompanied by lighting cues, movement etc, because you can’t control where the audience will look otherwise. In film, each shot is a specific choice made by the director, you’re already guided through what you need to be looking at, so the emotions etc can be more subtle. Anyway, all this to say, I think Ben Platt went into this thinking he would just play Evan as he’s used to, when in reality the role needed a real rework in order to function for film
Mistakes were made!
Anyway ahahah great video!
I don’t plan on seeing the movie either. But i completely agree
The way his eyes moved was much like a stage actor, it didn’t translate to film well at all! But he’s surely an amazing stage actor
Great thorough review.
The way that they cut Does Anybody Have A Map 😤 it was one of the best songs
Really unrelated - I ADORE THE BUTTERFLY CLIPS
no cuz everything in this video is so incredibly well said
Thank you for such a nuanced, lovely take :) would love to hear your thoughts on Everybody's talking about Jamie
I'm still bitter about the songs that were taken out. It gets rid of a lot of context.
Honestly in my opinion their biggest mistake was cutting out anybody have a map and good for you. The movie made Evan more sympathetic and while I liked that it felt like there was a more concrete resolution at the end compared to the musical, it made people easily forget just how terrible Evans actions were. Plus it really was a shame they cut some of heidis performances considering how powerful her scenes were in the Broadway show.
I believe DEH could still be properly adapted to a movie though, just... not like this? Idk i thought the editing during the performances felt lazy?just cutting back and forth between characters faces? Maybe its the stage show bias for me but I dunno maybe I just like the more agonizing performances in the show more?. It also leaves a bad taste in my mouth that ben platt would say he made the character and imply nobody else could play it like he does-idk it feels like its discrediting the other actors who played evan?
Personally, I think an animated movie version could be a good adaptation
I appreciate your approach to discussing your issues with the film. The bit that I believe countless reviewers are missing is that audience’s choice to ignore the cruel plot line in favor of connection to characters & songs that relate to them in some way. The show has been cathartic for me, and I’m clearly not alone.
I should clarify that I believe you did a great job at recognizing why the music is so well-loved. Thank you for saying so.
Your new piercing looks so pretty 🥰
Gotta say, I entered expecting something hideous and I went out having seen something mediocre(? Could've been better, but not straight out bad as everyone makes it out to be, it's not the worst adaptation
Thank you so much for this excellent video. I was dubious about seeing the film, now I don't think I will. It isn't what I wanted it to be, and Anybody Have A Map and Good For You were two of my favourite songs from the musical. You made an amazing point about the lack of consequences for Evan. I always thought he got off too easy without considering what would happen if he actually did get his comeuppance. Thank you for opening my eyes to this. Also, the listing for Sincerely, Me on the soundtrack doesn't have a comma, and that truly is it's greatest crime. 😂
you don’t understand how fast i clicked when i saw you posted LMAOO
I haven't seen the movie yet but I'm really happy for Colton Ryan, Isaac Powell and Demarius Copes. I'm glad Broadway actors get to have a part in this. I would have LOVED cameos from the OG cast (in the heights did it so well), but I'm not sure they support the movie? I've seen no mention on their socials.
Very smart review!!
You are very well spoken and discussed this beautifully. I haven’t had the opportunity to watch any of the musicals or the movie but I love it when movie musicals change things slightly as an appreciation of the original. However I feel like dear Evan Hansen didn’t do that and I mean cutting Disappear, good for you and Anybody have a map?!?!
I looovvve those songs
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again “You will be found” is a Christian Rock song with blatant references to god or Jesus omitted.
I've never seen the musical so I went into this movie not knowing what it was about or any preconceived notion as to what to expect. I will say this: I'm at the movies nearly every weekend and this was my favorite movie I've seen in 2021. In The Heights is a close 2nd. Dear Evan Hansen was amazing!!
that girl doing a tiktok dance to sincerely me has the same energy as that ad addison rae did to a song about eating disorders
Omg "I don't need to see him running across that lil bridge again" 😂💀
Great video. You make so many great points.
On the singing bit being weird on the times they sing, that is so true. I watched it with people who never saw the musical and we were laughing when it randomly started happening and my friend Caden was so thrown off everytime.
Hi, Amy! You rock! 🥰
just watched this movie with my mom and brother. personally, i loved it. the changes i heard early on kinda biased me before i watched it, but i think you should give it a shot if you like the musical
hi amy! we missed you
Been waiting for your review to drop before I watch it cause we know you’ll be honest 🥰
Another reason it really sucks they cut Anybody Have a Map is that it shows what life was like for Connor and his family, whereas without it we only get to meet the Murphy’s through their interactions with Evan
See, I’m actually in the camp of people who really enjoyed the movie. I’m confused by the audience members who have SEEN the OG show and are surprised by the story, because it’s so close to the original, in terms of the events that transpire, so I’m not sure why they’re so shocked. With all that being said, I agree with nearly everything you just said. I don’t think this movie is as bad as some people are saying, but I definitely see what you mean about a non-musical world where characters SING vs a musical world where characters LIVE. That was such an excellent way of saying something that I couldn’t quite articulate before, and it’s true! I guess that would be a big part of why the movie is somewhat more off-putting than the stage one. And I’m also really glad you said that Evan is already at rock bottom at the end! I always laugh when people ARE like, HE DESERVED TO SUFFER FOR WHAT HE DID! And I’m like, I mean, isn’t he already doing that? It’s not like he gets a happy ending. Is he supposed to be euthanized?? No!! 😂 anyways, I thought you made a lot of valid points, and respectfully so! ❤️
Thank you so much for your kind comment Ashley! I’m so glad you enjoyed the movie as well!
I wish they would have done like Hamilton, and released a stage recording rather than motion picture. But honestly, I love this movie, and this show, and have nothing bad to say about it
Thank you so much for putting my thoughts into words.
Good point about the repercussions for Evan. I never thought of it like that.
what i really like about this review is the musical aspect of it. like many reviewers are making the same points, about the age thing, about the alana plot, about the cut songs, yadayada, and i love that someone who understands musicals -- amy -- gives a review from a musical stand-point.