Uhhh. G… we cops do get put on administrative leave after every shooting until investigated and cleared, sometimes that means being cleared by a Grand Jury. Hell my department’s policy actually says if I’m involved in an incident where I cause severe bodily harm or death I have to be put in administrative leave until cleared. Edit: Auto-correct power struggle
1 comeback win against Cincinnati in 4 years. Won a playoff game where Steelers fumbled themselves into a huge deficit in a stadium with no fans, 2020. Eyeball test shows he is short and compromised In the pocket. NFL figured out by 2021 that BM is not athletic enough to be successful outside the pocket in our division that has 2 excellent defensive teams to contend with. BM is having some success in a weak division
Enough is Enough. #1 its not working on the field #2 its not working off the field #3 the fans are miserable with this guy at quarterback. He's a big stain on the franchise. Throw the shirt in the trash and move on
You don't know football. Please name the QB in NFL history that took 2yrs off, came back, got hurt, then came back off an injury and looked good. Please, sir, name just 1 QB?
@@mitchelltravis1984 I know football, and watson is very bad at football, especially the qb position. Did u know ranks 42nd in qbr over the last 3 seasons.. 42nd, there are only 32 teams.
I know you all will be happy to hear this. This video broke my back. I’m done. I’m unsubscribing to all Browns related materials. I’m all in on the Buccaneers in Baker.
@@Dr.RoseDB dude...where there's smoke, there's fire. Do you really think 26 different women are all conspiring against Watson? Or maybe, just maybe, Desaun Watson is a sexual predator who doesn't take no for an answer? The simplest explanation is usually correct....
@@JoeSlops yes.. Wfuch is why there's no evidence, family members from multiple girls admitted they lied, they didn't say anything back then, there's texts showing many tried to hang with Watson and wanted him after the alleged events and he ghosted them, etc etc. Whats worrying is you have ZERO evidence of anything you wanna believe he did so bad yet will run with it. Your mind is too limited to even comprehend the fact people will lie for money. Especially black single mothers which many of them are😂 you’re lost lil bro he’s innocent. Deal with it or go be a bengals fan
@@JoeSlopsLawyers can convince people that they were victimized the more the better, some actually gave multiple massages to DeShawn, no photos of abuse, no police calls to any of the scenes ever
No, that's not how the world works. He's innocent until proven guilty, this girl could be after paycheck. If they say your guilty just because your past that's just being prejudice.
Saying "I'm wrong on Watson, but i was right on Baker." That's a joke. You were wrong on both, buddy. Just like Andrew Barry. But by all means, keep lying to yourself all you like.
Time is on Baker Mayfield's side. Cleveland is looking worse and Baker is looking better. Started with Cleveland media not liking Baker Mayfield and antagonizing him at every chance they got, because they were Ohio State alums.
G Bush basically said “if you would just play good then I wouldn’t give a shit that you assaulted 30 women” it’s wild that he’s saying the quiet part out loud. It’s so obvious that he couldn’t care less about any of the victims if the QB wins games. The fact that they hated Baker Mayfield so much but are willing to go to the ends of the earth to defend this scumbag is WILD
What court convicted Watson of anything as he even been arrested for something get off your high horse anyone can accuse you of anything in this country tha doesn’t mean it’s true and most lawyers tell you to settle if you can no matter if you did anything or not that’s how the system works
G Bush you’re compromised. You had one off season interaction with Deshaun and you’ve defended him weirdly ever since. This is the same QB who had 20+ ALLEGATIONS!!! That’s NOT normal! Out of all the QBs we CHOSE that one…the risk was never worth it.
The one that's being wierd is you focusing on the numbers. Pretty sure you've done wrong to more than 20 people in your lifetime 😂 Get a life & chill. 💯
@@AceSolomon94 I believe most people are decent human beings. Sorry, I can’t name 20 people I’ve sexually harmed. I’m also pretty sure there aren’t 20+ women accusing you of sexual assault or abuse towards them either.
This is stupid. Say you got a shoplifting charge in your past, Everytime you enter the store they stop you on your way out and say you stole something and want to press charges. You going to be okay with that?
You can't defend Deshaun from a football POV. You can't defend Deshaun from a moral POV. When he first got here, everyone defended him and was willing to not just overlook the baggage but help the brother carry some of the load because they thought he'd be a top 5 QB. That hasn't happened. And now everyone is figuring out that the distraction outweighs the play on the field. You can change your opinion on that. A lot of guys in the league have pending cases, and their teams stand by them because of their PRODUCTION on the field.
@@Dr.RoseDB you’re willfully ignorant then. Every single one of these girls has a story about him trying to get his butt hole massaged and you’re out here defending him like this fucking clown.
His issue is when things get pointed out during his arguments, (such as administrative leave means getting paid, and officers not getting put on administrative leave, etc…) He never says ‘oh, sorry I was wrong about that’. He doubles down and really goes off the rails.
Let me help you. He’s saying if anyone files a claim against you, like if I file one against you Greg, should you face consequences from your job before an investigation? Even though you don’t know me and haven’t me. Even u Greg can file against Deshawn today. Does that mean he should face consequences?
@@careerkitchenshow Deshaun would NOT BE FACING CONSEQUENCES. Jason was right, if you were accused of sexual misconduct in the workplace, your job would put you on administrative leave. You would still be employed and receiving a paycheck. You just can't work. The hurts your company, not you. Deshaun would be sitting but still getting paid and being employed by the Browns. The Browns would be facing more consequences with his absence than he would.
With all due respect, I am still very angry how this third rate franchise crap all over Baker Mayfield OMG with his contract in Tampa, we could’ve surrounded him with so many studs. I’m just I can’t stand. It makes me want to vomit. I know I might be in the minority, but I can’t stand the ground anymore.
If he really did what she is saying why didn't they file criminal charges??? Only civil court?? So she just want the bag not him to get locked up. That doesn't make any sense to me. I say let him play...
G Bush is arguing a different point than the others. He's talking about whats right and wrong and the other two are talking about just from a football perspective its better to have him gone regardless of whether or not thats the right thing to do by Watson
If this was any other qb... he would be gone. Like Mayfield for instance. Except Mayfield actually led us to 2 playoff games. Watson gave us the chance to see another qb lead us to a playoff birth.
Right even if you completely ignore his 27 s.a. cases, his performance on the field has been terrible, statistically one of the worst qbs in the nfl last 3 years
From a football perspective I’m playing him. He doesn’t have enough games played. We forget didn’t even play half season. Thought he was amazing in Baltimore game and then plays most likely this years top 3 def (Dallas) with a new installed offense.
I agree with Bush that the Browns should let Watson play until more information comes out. However, when he talks about folks with money getting the same rights as everyone else…….talk to me about the Trump charges.
I’m sorry G, but this is not a public defenders office. It’s the Browns. They are built to win now, and Watson is both holding them back offensively and causing distractions and negative publicity. Like it or not, he needs to be cut for his terrible play compared to his excessive contract. And he needs to be sacrificed for the public image of the franchise regardless of guilt or innocence.
Browns are in salary cap hell with DW4. The money they owe him will destroy their chances if they do not get him to ;play at a very high level at least for this year and next.
Please explain to me how he’s holding the Browns back? He went 4-1 last year and lost one game this year where the whole offense was bad. It’s one game bro like dam. Yall act like the season over
G is waayyyy too quick to come to 4s defense imo. “Aww poor guy got accused of rape” like cmon now. Let’s not go out on a limb for someone who settled 26 cases. Now I’m not saying we hang the guy to dry right now, but i sure as shit am not coming to his defense right now either.
@@pipsohio he’s not defending him he’s just saying everybody should have due process. He had to settle the cases in order to play football. Cleveland guaranteed him all that money. He can’t just sit out and wait for the cases to be dropped which could take years and be pro longed. Settling doesn’t make him guilty
There’s no legal basis for using the new allegation to void the contract because the Browns signed him after the scandal began and the cases were filed. Additionally, there couldn’t have been any reasonable expectation of a new case, so there is likely no exception clause providing for new cases as grounds for termination. Besides, even if such language existed, a court or arbitrator would have to find that DWat had a reasonable expectation that more charges would be forthcoming. That is an impossible hurdle. If/When the Browns cut bait with DWat, it’s going to hurt! I think he still has all of his talent and skills. What he doesn’t have is his confidence and his freedom from guilt. His guilt in the court of public opinion probably weighs on him daily.
I'm surprised that Jason got this so wrong. Do not punish solely on allegations. Let the justice process move forward. G Bush is 100% right. Don't make decisions without facts.
The point is this shit is a distraction, he's playing like ass AND if it turns out something has happened, you're going to look bad for not getting ahead of it.
Jason is not saying to punish the guy. A suspension is not punishment. Watson still gets paid. He still gets elite treatment. He gets suspended while they investigate. It happens in most other sports and non-sports organizations. Why is football any different? If the claims are baseless, then Watson should countersue for defamation.
HE WOULDN'T BE PUNISHED. He wouldn't be suspended. He would in essence be put on administrative leave. He'd still be employed and paid by the Browns, just not playing. Same as you by your employer if you were accused of sexual misconduct in the workplace. You wouldn't be allowed back in the office until the investigation concludes.
So true I read the several of the complaints they had nothing on him NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING people need to actually read and comprehend the NFL AS TOO MUCH POWER over the players due to the NFLPA FECKLESSNESS
Life isn't always fair. Welcome to reality!🙄 Don't go serial hunting for massage parlors for different women & (as Jason stated) put yourself in these positions IN THE FIRST PLACE! Especially if you're a well paid star athlete .
No Jason, it is not the Browns job or in their wheelhouse to investigate this stuff in two days. Let the legal system and maybe the NFL do that work. You are dead wrong in this.
27 allegations... guilty or not is bad. I wouldn't get in a car with someone with driving with 27 car accidents. Even if he wasnt at fault. Like my man, where are you driving?
How do ppl listen or you just made up and stuck in your opinion no body finds it weird it’s been 5 criminal cases that was all thrown out because of no proof and all they want is money when it’s supposedly rape come on this shit been a money grab since day one. Same lawyer that keeps losing and all his clients are Jane doe
I gotta shake your hand G you are spot on because the same people that are criticizing Watson all support Trump not that was the Trump card checkmate🤛🏾
I love how they say Baker wasn’t the good enough.. helped lead the Browns to the playoffs and a playoff win which they hadn’t done in over 20 years. But yeah Baker wasn’t the guy lol… how you guys enjoying your guy Deshaun ? 😅😂
No Championship/Super Bowl since 1964 with any QB. The Browns have not even played in the AFC Championship game since Bernie Kosar (80s). The bar is and should be a lot higher than just a Playoff game for the Browns.
What happened to your boy watson on Sunday huh? He finished week 1 with a 9.3 qbr the lowest in the nfl. Meaning no qb statistically played worse. 32nd bro. Told you he is and has been trash. Meanwhile baker leads the nfl in tds and passer rating. I couldn't be more right. U look like a fool trying to defend him all this time. 😂😂
The evidence available to be disclosed to the juries was far less than what the NFL's Sue L Robinson had access to. In these cases, defense attorney's can get evidence withheld or thrown out before a jury even sees it. That's what happened here. Seriously, read up on the entire situation. Read up about Rusty Hardin's relationship with the DA's office.
@@Itsalwayscloudyincleveland so now you’re a criminal lawyer? Even a fool is wise when they keep their mouth shut. You obviously didn’t learn that lesson.
Conduct detrimental and his ass is on the sideline. Allegations tend to be disrupting and detrimental to team’s culture. Unions don’t have that kinda pull against the people with all the money chief. You gonna sue the billionaires with the millions they gave you? Please😂 I can think of better ways to go broke and achieve nothing.
Jason Lloyd is smart on some things, but I don’t know what Baker would have to do to prove he’s “good enough to be an NFL quarterback.” J likes to have these extreme opinions and he ends up looking like a fool.
@@ImOutOfMtDewif l file a claim today saying Bull raped me will he be on the show tomorrow? lol yes these people are insane. They already don’t like Deshawn so this is their excuse
Never in Watson life has he ever been better than Baker… idc what numbers you try to show me.. Watsons good season is the equivalent of Josh Gordon looking the the best receiver ever cause he got a bunch of yard in junk time cause the browns were getting blown out and the other team put their second string in…. WATSON IS TRASH AND LETTING BAKER GO WAS THE WORST DECISION IN NFL HISTORY!!
@anthonypa8045 that's unequivocally FALSE. Baker has never led the league in ANY category wheras Deshaun lead the league in passing. If you put Deshaun on the 2020 team, they probably make the AFC Championship game 🤷🏾♂️
@@keithlangfordjr.689 did you not read what I said.. I don’t care what numbers you try to show me… That year he had those big number his team won 4 GAMES… It’s easy to stack up stats when your team is getting blown out for 3 quarters and you’re going against the 2nd string…
Does anybody out there feel like why didn't any of these women making these accusations go to the police at the time of these so called assaults and press charges right when he supposedly did this? Logical answers only.... Please don't answer off of your emotions. Thanks in advance.
Lawyers telling them to wait for the first wave of cases that are just people who want money. If I had a family member that something happened to I would not want her in a group of women who were not assaulted and wanted money.
This one in particular, her lawyer said she has had multiple mental breakdowns, has been in therapy for depression, anxiety, and post trauma PTSD. Many people can't function with just one of those things going on. It takes years of therapy to get them functioning again. Her lawyer stated she is just now strong enough to deal with the case. Before she mentally couldn't have taken the questioning and flashbacks that would have been triggered. All of this was in the lawyers release.
Brother some of them did. Some of them were encouraged not to by their employer. Women face a steep uphill battle in the court system in sexual misconduct cases. The are incredibly difficult to prove in a court of law. Out of every 1000 sexual assaults, only 310 are reported to police. Of those 310, only 50 lead to arrest. Of those 50, only 28 will lead to felony conviction. Of those 28, 25 will be incarcerated. Those are the numbers.
G Bush the only one thinking logical. Meanwhile mast of panic Jason Lloyd pulling the parachute and the king of drama Adam thinking and acting emotional
You shouldn't lose your job or money on mere "allegations". if there is substantial evidence, proof or your working in a sensitive environment, maybe it should be more closely examined and a possible move on...of course if you're "convicted". But, the "average" man is not "Famous/popular" and making millions, therefore, would possibly be a lot less subjected to those types of "allegations" . Many people are paid off due to possible bad "PR" getting out, not necessarily due to guilt. Give due process to all individuals.
G bush acting like we should feel sorry for the clown or that he’s gonna go to jail in Jason’s scenario. No he literally would get paid 2.84 million dollars each weekend to sit on the bench until the video and interview with nfl. He’s not going to jail. He gets paid to do jack shit whether he plays or not because he is awful anyways.
For real, I can't believe he ran baker out of town.. he once said baker is not a starter in this league.. boy was he wrong, baker now leads the nfl in tds and passer rating. And was top 9 in yards and tds all last year. Meanwhile he wanted watson here. And watson ranks Dead last in qbr. 32nd!
Big joke look at Jason he can't even sit right the browns and gave him a f****** check cuz he able to get out here and make the sun look bad but they don't realize they f****** up this boy life after football you know they know that they don't want this black boy to leave out of here with all that money
@@Eric-pg4zs it your opinion he can't win a superbowl. My opinion says he can. And we both can agree he is much better than deshaun. He'll all the stats the last 4 years tell us that.
G Bush is wrong 1st of all they should sit him because of his play he has underperformed he has earned none of the money that he was given so with these new distractions how do you think he's going to play now G Bush is missing the point why is he fighting for him to play especially the way he's played
Baker Mayfield was a great quarterback he was hurt and y'all did not give that man a chance I'm so happy y'all let him go cuz y'all would have been good by now look at Cleveland now😂😂😂😂😂😂 let's go Pittsburgh
Do you realize he played the game after he just lost his dad on Friday and his close friend on Saturday? And he chose to be there for the team and play than be with his family. You don’t think that messed with his head??? It’s stupid to give up on him.
He could have gone into "Brett Favre" mode, who lost his dad just before a Monday night game in 2003 and played great. He threw two touchdown passes each in the first and second quarter, and for 311 yards in the first half alone as Green Bay led, 31-7 at halftime. Watson went from superstar, everyone loves me, to average-to-below average QB and everyone hates him. I think when he goes back to pass, instead of seeing the faces of DL and DE's, he sees the faces of the women he whipped his D*** out to. Sorry to say it because he was amazing at Clemson and early at Houston, but I think the off-the-field stuff has ruined his career.
I agree - Watson has contributed zero as a qb... so outside the accusations...because he was signed as elite. It has been a total failure... in addition, this latest charge is really, really bad... demoralizing. So why stick with a guy who can't deliver...
For real Jason thought baker was washed up and wanted him out of Cleveland! Jason was dead wrong about that one. Baker looks like a franchise qb, and watson is statistically the worst qb in the nfl over the last 3 years.
Browns should get rid of both Watson and Jason Loyd. Jason was behind every toxic and unreliable reports about the browns last season. He falsly reported about the locker room being visibly frustrated by Watson then a week later he came in this same show and claimed it was only his own interpretation.
I agree with Gbush, I want the NFL and the browns to stay out of this until something is proven. And if there is a no fault settlement it’s over and Watson plays until he fails on the field. I hated the deal but I hate the NFL playing holier than thou except when Robert Craft does something similar. #nfl #browns
I’m glad Jason is willing to die on the hill that Mayfield isn’t good enough. That will be the next thing he’ll have to defend when Mayfield takes the Bucs to the Super Bowl.
I am at the point where we cut bait if and when we can but you have to let the process play out... which means he plays until the league office suspends him or his lack of performance warrants it... I just believe that the lack of production is no longer worth the circus and distraction its caused.
G-bush needs to understand that life isn't always fair & simple. It's for most of us the first real splash of reality that we are taught/learn from our parents (/parent) when growing up as children. If you think like that then your living in a fantasy world.
So our QB has almost 30 SA allegations against him and our best defensive player is a guy who once ripped off the opposing QB's helmet and bashed him over the head with it. Great. This is the kind of crap our team puts up with because we are so starved for talented players.
They hate to f*** that instead of the white man just coming out and saying hey we don't want the song watch no more motherfuker cost too much and we see that he ain't going to be s*** in the future just tell him to go give him a check get the f*** out of here no they want to mess up the rest of his life with his rape and sex addict s*** man that's b******* I'm on your team man
The Cleveland Browns have been bad since 99. The level of dysfunction and bad football year in and year out took its toll. I think a portion of the fanbase was so starved to win they were willing to look past Watsons accusations. Now that his play sucks they don't have that to fall back on. It was a Horrible move the day it happened and it continues to be. You don't make someone with that sort of baggage the face of your franchise. You most definitely don't reward them with a fully guaranteed contract. Haslam did both and now we as fans are stuck back in football hell on the field and off.
Ur a fool for wanting that trade. No he’s not an upgrade from Baker and u could have used those first round pics and try another QB. The Ivy League front office needs to go
why is G missing the point. D4 hasnt played well at all to justify him being on the team.. now with the new alligations its a done deal. get rid of the guy. hes not worth the play or the head aches
Why would Browns just give up on Watson after 1 game and go into another rebuild Players like Myles Garrett Denzel Ward , and Chubb not going to waste their prime with this mess
Watson has looked bad in 11 of 13 games as a brown. Since coming to cleveland his qbr ranks him 42nd in the nfl and his completion percentage ranks him 44th. His qb pff grade ranks him 53rd. Now just this year he is dead last in the nfl in qbr 32 of 32 qbs. It's not one game, he played like trash in 2022, 2023, and now 2024. What are you watching dude. He sucks by every stat. He looks like garbage. Accept it or keep looking like a fool.
You're forcing real men to battle on the field with a simp in Deshaun Watson. None of those football players would pay hundreds of whores to beat and lick theiir schlong. The real men want women to desire their manliness. Not have money waved in their faces. Guys wants to distance themselves from losers like Watson. They don't want to tarnish their manhood by being associated with a simp. They might think other people think they pay women for sex. They don't want that reputation.
At this point I assume the primes of Myles, Ward and Chubb are a lost cause. If we still had those 1st round picks, we would’ve been able to draft their replacements…
Real American soldiers dont get paid what this guy gets paid. The military has a code of conduct, and he would be sitting in a prison and kicked out of the military, so leave the soldiers out of this screwed up mess!! There is no comparison between toy soldiers, real soldiers, and whatever this mess is!!!
He had one good year at Houston and the Browns did not check on how this guy played he was a bum. They have chance of making the playoffs I hope next year draft they can hit on a quarterback. But than again they are to stupid they will pass on a good quarterback it's been that way for years 👎👎👎👎they will never win a super bowl
G Bush, is right, its up to the league or the browns brass to make that decision. It's going to get real ugly if they go down to that swamp Sunday and get smoked again, the team has alot of injuries and now more stuff piled on with a case from 2020? Dudes will be asking to be traded out in a few weeks, or just sit out with a injury and refuse to play.
You shouldnt hold someone out until you find out about the allegations. If it turns out he did it and you still were playing, you can always implement a suspension for as long as his actions deserve. If you hold him out and it turns out he didnt do it you can never get back those games that he sat out for absolutely nothing
Here's my thing just because someone accused you of something don't make it the truth wether it's 1 time or 20. Dude was on Instagram sleeping with THOTS and discarding them, Tasteless yes but it's awfully funny that these women are so traumatized but NONE OF them said fuck the money he needs to go to jail. This latest allegation comes from the same time frame as the others . And what's interesting is this happen in her home, so you invited him over lit candles took a shower a woke up a victim 4 years later, you can tell alot of these media squares don't know how the streets operate .
Imagine if the NFL, NBA, or other major leagues suspended players the moment any allegations surfaced. It would be simple to rule out Tom Brady for one of his Super Bowls or Stephen Curry for a Game 7. It’s definitely a slippery slope.
I never jumped on the Deshaun train! It was derailed from the start. They did baker dirty! I hate them for this! Makes me sick. If I didn’t bleed orange and brown I’d be a Tampa fan. They owe us fan big time on this dumpster fire!!!! 🔥
Good stuff G! You cant have it both ways. You vote for a convicted felon who.didnt have to do a day in jail.and is still working to win the highest job in the world, but want a guy who hasnt been convicted of anything to sit until things are sorted out. Sounds like 3 fifths a person versus we the people to me
Didn't do it for Cleveland, this is his fourth team ( Browns, Panthers. Rams and Bucs), eventually he may get there, but not with Cleveland, that's all that matters for true Browns fans, he had his chances with the Browns, didn't deliver.
If only one game was the Super Bowl with the Browns and he had those stats and actually won the Super Bowl. But, not ONE game into the season with anybody. Lol
Honestly, it would probably be best for both parties to cut ties. Best for the Browns and for Watson’s career. If Watson wants to salvage his career he’d be in a better position somewhere else at this point. A fresh start for both. If Watson could be honest about it I believe he’d want a to somewhere else also.
This has been a total PR nightmare for the Browns. They had a young playoff winning QB that they both drafted & developed but decided to throw morals out the window and go with a dude with 27 allegations of SA/Misconduct and he ended up settling 23 with two still pending and now another case but for (R) G-Bush doesn’t seem to understand the NFL investigation teams found Watson to be not forthcoming and without remorse by the end of the investigation. While the former federal judge overseeing the cases also found Watson’s’ behavior to be that of a serial predator and advised the NFL to review its suspension policies on the issue because 11 games does not match the allegations. The whole situation is just wild and if that video take shows ANYTHING suspicious concerning Watson then that’s it for him. ITS OVER for him.
Lloyd's hatred for Watson has overcome any semblance of journalism, the man has lost all credibility by posturing such total absurd nonsense. Watson has played one game this year, and any additional allegations are just that. Wonder if Lloyd was a fan of Kobe Bryant....a man who was actually charged/indicted and went to trial for rape. Lloyd is full of his own crap.
That’s a different situation that what is happening here though. First, it happened in 2002 which was totally different in terms of how we view these allegations. Kobe was also found not guilty of those charges but admitted the encounters might not have been viewed the same. He didn’t say he forced himself on the 19 year old woman. Second, Kobe was good and balled out. Kobe had also been good the previous seasons when the Lakers won championships. Watson hasn’t been good since he’s been back. So it’s not worth it, regardless of whether you believe he’s innocent or not. It’s business
@@Jsmooth1174 WRONG on all counts. Not different.....Watson was not indicted or charged on a single count, nor was he ever taken to a criminal trial.....Kobe had ALL of those tings. Second......Kobe was not "bailed out". He SETTLED with a huge financial payoff to the girl who accused him, which means he was guilty. Good and balled out means has NOTHING to do with this. Watson was great the last 3 games he played last year....he's played only 1 game this year. Prior, he was a 4 time pro bowler and he's only 28....let's see what he does with a FULL HEALTHY SEASON. Bottom line....Kobe was charged w/RAPE and went to trial for it, Watson has been charged with NOTHING. Get it yet???
@@randytolen9531 This is not a case of guilt or innocence. It’s a case of whether an employee is worth the headache or not. i never said he was “bailed out”. I said he balled out meaning Kobe was an outstanding player, even during the criminal case . That is probably the reason the Lakers never considered waiving him. The criminal case was dismissed because the girl would not testify. The civil suit was settled, likely because the cost of fighting the case and publicity weren’t worth the price. That does not mean he is guilty or innocent in the same way it doesn’t mean Watson is guilty he decided to settle all of the many civil cases he has. And speaking of MANY cases, that is another difference. Kobe did not have dozens of women accusing him. If you want to make an argument that Kobe should not have played, that’s fine. But this was twenty years ago so it’s not comparable to the current climate. Watson is not worth the trouble because he hasn’t produced. GET IT? Probably not 😂
Man listen at the end of the day until facts come out all opinions and comments will be tainted with some sort of bias. I definitely can see both Jason’s and G’s points in this situation. However, I want to it all play out.
One of Berry's big points on players is availability. The first go round was a 💩 show and hasn't been worth the investment. I've kept quiet to see how things played out but if he gets suspended again, I'm out on DW4.
Watson had a 9.3 qbr week 1 ranking him 32nd dead last in the nfl. literally the worst qb in the nfl right now, I hope this 27th case leads to browns voiding his contract, that would be the best thing for the browns.
they can't help themselves. In Trump's case the statute of limitations had run out, but he was running for president so let's find something/anything to charge him with.... I know... if he used one "crime" to cover up another "crime", we can still charge him... now let's get it in-front of a democrat judge who's daughter is a democrat operative who has made millions on this case and do it in a democrat district... let's say that he covered up a crime that he was never convicted of, oh, and let's not allow the defense to call an election law expert to the stand who says the book keeping was done properly, finally, tell the jury that they don't even have to unanimous on the "crime" he covered up... now that he is "convicted" democrats like Bull and Bush get to call him a "convicted felon"... well, at least until the appeal process gets out of democrat New York and it gets thrown out. “Show me the man and I'll show you the crime”
Everybody trippin except for G bush relax yall and let the man play football and get this together it was 1 game just say most dont like the guy but again nobody knows the guy except for whos close to him personally so lets just focus on football the game we love right i think most are more worried about off the field stuff than hoping that our QB gets it rolling deshaun has always started slow in seasons hes said it himself so lets just play ball and kick jacksonville a$$ its hard to play QB with a line that isnt fully healthy and dallas is a great team folks we are going to lose some games the nfl is a great sport with great players its not easy but hopefully most that talk have played the game and understand what it takes we gone be good relax yall!
Really? you still think badly about Baker? Well that right there makes what you say null and void. Although I do think Watson is washed up and does not have the eye of the tiger to play like a real NFL QB
I just want Jason and bull to think about what happens after you cut Deshaun. You now have no starting qb and have effectively killed the morale of the entire locker room with 16 games left to play. Do these guys secretly wanna see the browns suffer or something?
The locker room knows deshaun has been playing like trash for 3 years now. They want a good qb. Watson had a 9.3 qbr week 1 ranking him 32nd dead last in the nfl. literally the worst qb in the nfl right now, I hope this 27th case leads to browns voiding his contract, that would be the best thing for the browns.
I totally disagree with you. He has no synergy with the team. No passion. When Flacco showed up you could see and feel it. The rest of the team was happy, they connected. Watson just sucks. How many chances does he get? Flacco balled out off the couch. Actually I believe the team will be happy to see him go. We had 5 quarterbacks last year. Morale?
@@ritalayman9396 great points, the vibe and energy of the offense does look bad when watson starts compared to flacco or even brissett. It looks like they know they can't be successful with him under center
G Bush looking like Patrice O’Neal in the Playa Hater’s Ball skit from the Chappelle Show
😂😂😂
hate hate hate hate hate
Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta go put some water in Buck Nastys mommas dish
@@m.malina6797 she wears underwear with dick holes in ‘em
@@m.malina6797 “she wears underwear with d$ck holes in ‘em”.
Watson is terrible, and if this gets the Browns out of the contract, we should all celebrate.
Uhhh. G… we cops do get put on administrative leave after every shooting until investigated and cleared, sometimes that means being cleared by a Grand Jury. Hell my department’s policy actually says if I’m involved in an incident where I cause severe bodily harm or death I have to be put in administrative leave until cleared.
Edit: Auto-correct power struggle
Yes we saw Baker as a superstar.
Can't judge injured season Baker.
We had everything needed for a Super Bowl win & Berry & Kevin blew it up.
1 comeback win against Cincinnati in 4 years. Won a playoff game where Steelers fumbled themselves into a huge deficit in a stadium with no fans, 2020. Eyeball test shows he is short and compromised In the pocket. NFL figured out by 2021 that BM is not athletic enough to be successful outside the pocket in our division that has 2 excellent defensive teams to contend with. BM is having some success in a weak division
Enough is Enough.
#1 its not working on the field
#2 its not working off the field
#3 the fans are miserable with this guy at quarterback.
He's a big stain on the franchise.
Throw the shirt in the trash and move on
Your making too much sense. You must hate him because he's a black man 😂
You don't know football. Please name the QB in NFL history that took 2yrs off, came back, got hurt, then came back off an injury and looked good. Please, sir, name just 1 QB?
@@mitchelltravis1984 I know football, and watson is very bad at football, especially the qb position. Did u know ranks 42nd in qbr over the last 3 seasons.. 42nd, there are only 32 teams.
@@mitchelltravis1984 bro, let it go
I know you all will be happy to hear this. This video broke my back. I’m done. I’m unsubscribing to all Browns related materials. I’m all in on the Buccaneers in Baker.
Bye. This just proves you were never a Browns fan just a Baker bro.
@@ImOutOfMtDew I beg to differ with you I have followed the team for 50 years. I go back to the Brian site cardiac kids.
G Bush is missing the entire point. This was pretty frustrating to listen to.
For real, very hard to listen too. We all know why G is defending him and it's a joke
Why is G defending him?
@@Kitk2022 It's bizarre.
@@anthonypa8045 why is G saying that?
I normally agree with a lot of what G Bush says but yeah this one aint it he's missing the point and DW4 needs to go
G is ridiculous. Bro, he's been accused by like 26 women. He has lost the benefit of the doubt.
Why for being falsely accused ?
@@Dr.RoseDB dude...where there's smoke, there's fire. Do you really think 26 different women are all conspiring against Watson? Or maybe, just maybe, Desaun Watson is a sexual predator who doesn't take no for an answer? The simplest explanation is usually correct....
@@JoeSlops yes.. Wfuch is why there's no evidence, family members from multiple girls admitted they lied, they didn't say anything back then, there's texts showing many tried to hang with Watson and wanted him after the alleged events and he ghosted them, etc etc. Whats worrying is you have ZERO evidence of anything you wanna believe he did so bad yet will run with it. Your mind is too limited to even comprehend the fact people will lie for money. Especially black single mothers which many of them are😂 you’re lost lil bro he’s innocent. Deal with it or go be a bengals fan
@@JoeSlopsLawyers can convince people that they were victimized the more the better, some actually gave multiple massages to DeShawn, no photos of abuse, no police calls to any of the scenes ever
No, that's not how the world works. He's innocent until proven guilty, this girl could be after paycheck. If they say your guilty just because your past that's just being prejudice.
Saying "I'm wrong on Watson, but i was right on Baker." That's a joke. You were wrong on both, buddy. Just like Andrew Barry. But by all means, keep lying to yourself all you like.
No they were right about moving on from baker lmao. Just bc they got the replacement wrong doesn't mean baker was the guy bc he clearly was not
Got ya marked down as just another one who was wrong on both and refuses to admit it.@@ericspicer5132
@@ericspicer5132Sure. I got ya marked down for being wrong on both also.
Time is on Baker Mayfield's side. Cleveland is looking worse and Baker is looking better. Started with Cleveland media not liking Baker Mayfield and antagonizing him at every chance they got, because they were Ohio State alums.
Berry didn't draft Baker. And he wasn't the one who offered Watson the fully guaranteed contract.
G Bush basically said “if you would just play good then I wouldn’t give a shit that you assaulted 30 women” it’s wild that he’s saying the quiet part out loud. It’s so obvious that he couldn’t care less about any of the victims if the QB wins games. The fact that they hated Baker Mayfield so much but are willing to go to the ends of the earth to defend this scumbag is WILD
Baker is white, deshaun is black, that's the difference
What court convicted Watson of anything as he even been arrested for something get off your high horse anyone can accuse you of anything in this country tha doesn’t mean it’s true and most lawyers tell you to settle if you can no matter if you did anything or not that’s how the system works
The fact you have to lie that much is wild. Watson didn't do anything. Deal with it or go be a Bengals fan 😂
@@chrisandersonley4521conversation they not ready to have you hit the nail on the head
What Donald Trump do? And is still running for President
G Bush you’re compromised. You had one off season interaction with Deshaun and you’ve defended him weirdly ever since. This is the same QB who had 20+ ALLEGATIONS!!! That’s NOT normal! Out of all the QBs we CHOSE that one…the risk was never worth it.
The one that's being wierd is you focusing on the numbers. Pretty sure you've done wrong to more than 20 people in your lifetime 😂
Get a life & chill. 💯
@@AceSolomon94 I believe most people are decent human beings. Sorry, I can’t name 20 people I’ve sexually harmed. I’m also pretty sure there aren’t 20+ women accusing you of sexual assault or abuse towards them either.
G bush act like he’s on payroll
The NY Times ran a story where he met with a total of 67 massage therapists in a 17 month span.
This is stupid. Say you got a shoplifting charge in your past, Everytime you enter the store they stop you on your way out and say you stole something and want to press charges. You going to be okay with that?
You can't defend Deshaun from a football POV. You can't defend Deshaun from a moral POV. When he first got here, everyone defended him and was willing to not just overlook the baggage but help the brother carry some of the load because they thought he'd be a top 5 QB. That hasn't happened. And now everyone is figuring out that the distraction outweighs the play on the field. You can change your opinion on that. A lot of guys in the league have pending cases, and their teams stand by them because of their PRODUCTION on the field.
I can defend him in both so
@@Dr.RoseDB you’re willfully ignorant then. Every single one of these girls has a story about him trying to get his butt hole massaged and you’re out here defending him like this fucking clown.
G. Bush was confusing to listen to. I'm still not sure what his point was. Rambling.
His issue is when things get pointed out during his arguments, (such as administrative leave means getting paid, and officers not getting put on administrative leave, etc…) He never says ‘oh, sorry I was wrong about that’. He doubles down and really goes off the rails.
He's too heavy on metaphors for my taste. A little can mean a lot sometimes G.
Let me help you.
He’s saying if anyone files a claim against you, like if I file one against you Greg, should you face consequences from your job before an investigation? Even though you don’t know me and haven’t me.
Even u Greg can file against Deshawn today. Does that mean he should face consequences?
Yeah... he wasn't making any sense. He usually makes some sense, but his arguments here wouldn't cut mustard in a high school debating team.
@@careerkitchenshow Deshaun would NOT BE FACING CONSEQUENCES. Jason was right, if you were accused of sexual misconduct in the workplace, your job would put you on administrative leave. You would still be employed and receiving a paycheck. You just can't work. The hurts your company, not you. Deshaun would be sitting but still getting paid and being employed by the Browns. The Browns would be facing more consequences with his absence than he would.
With all due respect, I am still very angry how this third rate franchise crap all over Baker Mayfield OMG with his contract in Tampa, we could’ve surrounded him with so many studs. I’m just I can’t stand. It makes me want to vomit. I know I might be in the minority, but I can’t stand the ground anymore.
Most of us feel the same and still support Baker.
Leave then we not gonna miss you 🤷🏾♂️
Unfortunately, Baker would not have signed that contract with the Browns. He had to go through what he did to get there.
@@doomsdayprofit5779 you’re a nobody clown. Just like the loser Watson you support.
Haha, I agree bounce baker bros lol!!!
Coach Stefanski is towing the line in public. Behind closed doors he is feeling far different I would wager to say.
If he really did what she is saying why didn't they file criminal charges??? Only civil court?? So she just want the bag not him to get locked up. That doesn't make any sense to me. I say let him play...
She waited multiple years, just like ALL the other accusers, until he got his huge payday from the Browns.
Tell me you don't understand the justice system and rely on misogyny without telling me. smh. STFU
G Bush is arguing a different point than the others. He's talking about whats right and wrong and the other two are talking about just from a football perspective its better to have him gone regardless of whether or not thats the right thing to do by Watson
If this was any other qb... he would be gone. Like Mayfield for instance. Except Mayfield actually led us to 2 playoff games. Watson gave us the chance to see another qb lead us to a playoff birth.
@amkrajc Obviously u must be slow... Yo comment just made his point🤦🏾♂️
Right even if you completely ignore his 27 s.a. cases, his performance on the field has been terrible, statistically one of the worst qbs in the nfl last 3 years
💯💯💯💯
From a football perspective I’m playing him. He doesn’t have enough games played. We forget didn’t even play half season. Thought he was amazing in Baltimore game and then plays most likely this years top 3 def (Dallas) with a new installed offense.
I agree with Bush that the Browns should let Watson play until more information comes out. However, when he talks about folks with money getting the same rights as everyone else…….talk to me about the Trump charges.
I’m sorry G, but this is not a public defenders office. It’s the Browns. They are built to win now, and Watson is both holding them back offensively and causing distractions and negative publicity. Like it or not, he needs to be cut for his terrible play compared to his excessive contract. And he needs to be sacrificed for the public image of the franchise regardless of guilt or innocence.
Browns are in salary cap hell with DW4. The money they owe him will destroy their chances if they do not get him to ;play at a very high level at least for this year and next.
Please explain to me how he’s holding the Browns back? He went 4-1 last year and lost one game this year where the whole offense was bad. It’s one game bro like dam. Yall act like the season over
@@teonsmith1209 he has looked like this for 3 years…. 🤷♂️
G is waayyyy too quick to come to 4s defense imo. “Aww poor guy got accused of rape” like cmon now. Let’s not go out on a limb for someone who settled 26 cases. Now I’m not saying we hang the guy to dry right now, but i sure as shit am not coming to his defense right now either.
@@pipsohio he’s not defending him he’s just saying everybody should have due process. He had to settle the cases in order to play football. Cleveland guaranteed him all that money. He can’t just sit out and wait for the cases to be dropped which could take years and be pro longed. Settling doesn’t make him guilty
There’s no legal basis for using the new allegation to void the contract because the Browns signed him after the scandal began and the cases were filed. Additionally, there couldn’t have been any reasonable expectation of a new case, so there is likely no exception clause providing for new cases as grounds for termination.
Besides, even if such language existed, a court or arbitrator would have to find that DWat had a reasonable expectation that more charges would be forthcoming. That is an impossible hurdle. If/When the Browns cut bait with DWat, it’s going to hurt!
I think he still has all of his talent and skills. What he doesn’t have is his confidence and his freedom from guilt. His guilt in the court of public opinion probably weighs on him daily.
I'm surprised that Jason got this so wrong. Do not punish solely on allegations. Let the justice process move forward. G Bush is 100% right. Don't make decisions without facts.
The point is this shit is a distraction, he's playing like ass AND if it turns out something has happened, you're going to look bad for not getting ahead of it.
@@topherick Then the Browns should find a legal loophole to get out of his contract. Not pretend he a bad guy, all the sudden, with zero evidence.
Jason is not saying to punish the guy. A suspension is not punishment. Watson still gets paid. He still gets elite treatment. He gets suspended while they investigate. It happens in most other sports and non-sports organizations. Why is football any different? If the claims are baseless, then Watson should countersue for defamation.
HE WOULDN'T BE PUNISHED. He wouldn't be suspended. He would in essence be put on administrative leave. He'd still be employed and paid by the Browns, just not playing. Same as you by your employer if you were accused of sexual misconduct in the workplace. You wouldn't be allowed back in the office until the investigation concludes.
They suspended him for purely PR reasons, the proof wasn’t there or he would’ve been indicted . It wasn’t a fair process
So true I read the several of the complaints they had nothing on him NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING people need to actually read and comprehend the NFL AS TOO MUCH POWER over the players due to the NFLPA FECKLESSNESS
Life isn't always fair. Welcome to reality!🙄 Don't go serial hunting for massage parlors for different women & (as Jason stated) put yourself in these positions IN THE FIRST PLACE! Especially if you're a well paid star athlete .
Bro what Sue Robinson literally said it’s very likely he did these things
@@PhilBucurshe also found NO COERCION AND NO FORCE TOO.
So if they weren't forced to do anything but the still did..what does that tell you?
No Jason, it is not the Browns job or in their wheelhouse to investigate this stuff in two days. Let the legal system and maybe the NFL do that work. You are dead wrong in this.
27 allegations... guilty or not is bad. I wouldn't get in a car with someone with driving with 27 car accidents. Even if he wasnt at fault. Like my man, where are you driving?
@@amkrajc according to G Bush it’s doesn’t matter why you’re driving. As long as you’re a good driver for him (the team) the past doesn’t matter
@@lilxnation4283 if thats all you got out of this clip, then you need to go back and rewatch
GBush carrying the water for DeShaun? Shocker!
On god😂😂
The Kool aid**
Mad cuz g bush has a brain 😂
How do ppl listen or you just made up and stuck in your opinion no body finds it weird it’s been 5 criminal cases that was all thrown out because of no proof and all they want is money when it’s supposedly rape come on this shit been a money grab since day one. Same lawyer that keeps losing and all his clients are Jane doe
@@Dr.RoseDBlol clown defending a clown. Imagine that 🤡
I gotta shake your hand G you are spot on because the same people that are criticizing Watson all support Trump not that was the Trump card checkmate🤛🏾
G bush is 100% correct
I love how they say Baker wasn’t the good enough.. helped lead the Browns to the playoffs and a playoff win which they hadn’t done in over 20 years. But yeah Baker wasn’t the guy lol… how you guys enjoying your guy Deshaun ? 😅😂
No Championship/Super Bowl since 1964 with any QB. The Browns have not even played in the AFC Championship game since Bernie Kosar (80s). The bar is and should be a lot higher than just a Playoff game for the Browns.
Baker wasn't good enough here..stop being a dweeb for that low life. Too many of yall on his di*k and revisionist history
G bush keep giving us great takes!
Two Grand juries Jason, duh ? But you want to uphold the NFL’s judge over a federal judge. You sound like a FOOL !
What happened to your boy watson on Sunday huh? He finished week 1 with a 9.3 qbr the lowest in the nfl. Meaning no qb statistically played worse. 32nd bro. Told you he is and has been trash. Meanwhile baker leads the nfl in tds and passer rating. I couldn't be more right. U look like a fool trying to defend him all this time. 😂😂
@@anthonypa8045 5-1 last year before his injury dummy. Of course’s you probably didn’t finish school.
@@anthonypa8045😂 Backer plays in the worst division in football
The evidence available to be disclosed to the juries was far less than what the NFL's Sue L Robinson had access to. In these cases, defense attorney's can get evidence withheld or thrown out before a jury even sees it. That's what happened here. Seriously, read up on the entire situation. Read up about Rusty Hardin's relationship with the DA's office.
@@Itsalwayscloudyincleveland so now you’re a criminal lawyer? Even a fool is wise when they keep their mouth shut. You obviously didn’t learn that lesson.
Jason’s argument is so dumb. I think he’s mad Deshaun called him boss man
Was it In a post game interview?
Does Jason know the nfl has union, if they sit him without cause the union will sue the shit out of them. How is this guy employed
Conduct detrimental and his ass is on the sideline. Allegations tend to be disrupting and detrimental to team’s culture. Unions don’t have that kinda pull against the people with all the money chief. You gonna sue the billionaires with the millions they gave you? Please😂 I can think of better ways to go broke and achieve nothing.
Jason Lloyd is smart on some things, but I don’t know what Baker would have to do to prove he’s “good enough to be an NFL quarterback.” J likes to have these extreme opinions and he ends up looking like a fool.
what does this have to do with Donald Trump
You are right G Bush.
But if this video comes out and shows that the allegations are fact, then Watson needs to go.
@@michaelstephenson1585 facts, the juice not worth the squeeze. He would have no argument. If he was playing great it could be an argument
And shows what that he wasn't charged with a crime?
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts 🥜 what a Merry Christmas we would have had.( IF ?
If they have a video, why not go to the police to file charges rather than seeking a monetary settlement through a civil suit?
@@jmonthedude yes exactly, finally someone with common sense. Why go the money route
I Love the Browns but this whole Deshaun Watson thing is gross. How many more woman have to be impacted till people wake up?🤮
You mean how many more gold diggers are gonna come out of the shadows.
@@ImOutOfMtDewman the people criticizing him are blind he was getting online prostitutes that’s why he’s not suing for defamation
@@ImOutOfMtDewif l file a claim today saying Bull raped me will he be on the show tomorrow? lol yes these people are insane. They already don’t like Deshawn so this is their excuse
You mean the Money hungry SKANKS?
Never in Watson life has he ever been better than Baker… idc what numbers you try to show me.. Watsons good season is the equivalent of Josh Gordon looking the the best receiver ever cause he got a bunch of yard in junk time cause the browns were getting blown out and the other team put their second string in…. WATSON IS TRASH AND LETTING BAKER GO WAS THE WORST DECISION IN NFL HISTORY!!
Facts
@anthonypa8045 that's unequivocally FALSE. Baker has never led the league in ANY category wheras Deshaun lead the league in passing. If you put Deshaun on the 2020 team, they probably make the AFC Championship game 🤷🏾♂️
@@keithlangfordjr.689 did you not read what I said.. I don’t care what numbers you try to show me… That year he had those big number his team won 4 GAMES… It’s easy to stack up stats when your team is getting blown out for 3 quarters and you’re going against the 2nd string…
@@keithlangfordjr.689 very true.. Watson led the league in passing while his team won 4 games that year… stats don’t mean shit
Does anybody out there feel like why didn't any of these women making these accusations go to the police at the time of these so called assaults and press charges right when he supposedly did this? Logical answers only.... Please don't answer off of your emotions. Thanks in advance.
If it happened go to the police right away and get a test done. Waiting for years then asking for a mill looks suspect.
Lawyers telling them to wait for the first wave of cases that are just people who want money. If I had a family member that something happened to I would not want her in a group of women who were not assaulted and wanted money.
This one in particular, her lawyer said she has had multiple mental breakdowns, has been in therapy for depression, anxiety, and post trauma PTSD. Many people can't function with just one of those things going on. It takes years of therapy to get them functioning again. Her lawyer stated she is just now strong enough to deal with the case. Before she mentally couldn't have taken the questioning and flashbacks that would have been triggered. All of this was in the lawyers release.
Brother some of them did. Some of them were encouraged not to by their employer. Women face a steep uphill battle in the court system in sexual misconduct cases. The are incredibly difficult to prove in a court of law. Out of every 1000 sexual assaults, only 310 are reported to police. Of those 310, only 50 lead to arrest. Of those 50, only 28 will lead to felony conviction. Of those 28, 25 will be incarcerated. Those are the numbers.
GBush is in his feelings because he doesn't want to let go of his dream of Deshaun taking the Browns to the playoffs.
G Bush the only one thinking logical. Meanwhile mast of panic Jason Lloyd pulling the parachute and the king of drama Adam thinking and acting emotional
You shouldn't lose your job or money on mere "allegations". if there is substantial evidence, proof or your working in a sensitive environment, maybe it should be more closely examined and a possible move on...of course if you're "convicted". But, the "average" man is not "Famous/popular" and making millions, therefore, would possibly be a lot less subjected to those types of "allegations" . Many people are paid off due to possible bad "PR" getting out, not necessarily due to guilt. Give due process to all individuals.
G bush acting like we should feel sorry for the clown or that he’s gonna go to jail in Jason’s scenario. No he literally would get paid 2.84 million dollars each weekend to sit on the bench until the video and interview with nfl. He’s not going to jail. He gets paid to do jack shit whether he plays or not because he is awful anyways.
Jason Lloyd continues to be a joke
For real, I can't believe he ran baker out of town.. he once said baker is not a starter in this league.. boy was he wrong, baker now leads the nfl in tds and passer rating. And was top 9 in yards and tds all last year. Meanwhile he wanted watson here. And watson ranks Dead last in qbr. 32nd!
@@anthonypa8045bakers mid you can’t win a championship with him as your qb. It was a good move to get rid of baker, even if Deshaun doesn’t work out.
Big joke look at Jason he can't even sit right the browns and gave him a f****** check cuz he able to get out here and make the sun look bad but they don't realize they f****** up this boy life after football you know they know that they don't want this black boy to leave out of here with all that money
@@Eric-pg4zs it your opinion he can't win a superbowl. My opinion says he can. And we both can agree he is much better than deshaun. He'll all the stats the last 4 years tell us that.
G Bush is wrong 1st of all they should sit him because of his play he has underperformed he has earned none of the money that he was given so with these new distractions how do you think he's going to play now G Bush is missing the point why is he fighting for him to play especially the way he's played
Baker Mayfield was a great quarterback he was hurt and y'all did not give that man a chance I'm so happy y'all let him go cuz y'all would have been good by now look at Cleveland now😂😂😂😂😂😂 let's go Pittsburgh
Do you realize he played the game after he just lost his dad on Friday and his close friend on Saturday? And he chose to be there for the team and play than be with his family. You don’t think that messed with his head??? It’s stupid to give up on him.
He could have gone into "Brett Favre" mode, who lost his dad just before a Monday night game in 2003 and played great. He threw two touchdown passes each in the first and second quarter, and for 311 yards in the first half alone as Green Bay led, 31-7 at halftime. Watson went from superstar, everyone loves me, to average-to-below average QB and everyone hates him. I think when he goes back to pass, instead of seeing the faces of DL and DE's, he sees the faces of the women he whipped his D*** out to. Sorry to say it because he was amazing at Clemson and early at Houston, but I think the off-the-field stuff has ruined his career.
At that time, Watson had a sex worker problem. So let's see how it plays out. But overall, the Browns need a new quarterback.
G Bush speaks for Black Folks... Cause what he be saying resonate with how we feel... Respect💯
Fact!
They don’t get it tho lol
Oh lord 🙄
TY u don't know how it feels to be a Black man
I wonder if Black women feel that way?
I agree - Watson has contributed zero as a qb... so outside the accusations...because he was signed as elite. It has been a total failure... in addition, this latest charge is really, really bad... demoralizing. So why stick with a guy who can't deliver...
He went 4-1? He didn’t deliver because he didn’t throw for a ton of yards? 😂
Jason Lloyd is almost always wrong. Look at his track record. He's right less than a broken clock.
For real Jason thought baker was washed up and wanted him out of Cleveland! Jason was dead wrong about that one. Baker looks like a franchise qb, and watson is statistically the worst qb in the nfl over the last 3 years.
He’s right here though, Bauer, dak, and depp all sued the accusers for defamation… why hasn’t Deshaun
Browns should get rid of both Watson and Jason Loyd. Jason was behind every toxic and unreliable reports about the browns last season. He falsly reported about the locker room being visibly frustrated by Watson then a week later he came in this same show and claimed it was only his own interpretation.
@@MrBseif not the worst idea.
I agree with Gbush, I want the NFL and the browns to stay out of this until something is proven. And if there is a no fault settlement it’s over and Watson plays until he fails on the field. I hated the deal but I hate the NFL playing holier than thou except when Robert Craft does something similar. #nfl #browns
“Something similar.” You never read the story about the Kraft case, did you?
I’m glad Jason is willing to die on the hill that Mayfield isn’t good enough. That will be the next thing he’ll have to defend when Mayfield takes the Bucs to the Super Bowl.
Hilarious.
@@cadena1734 for who?
I am at the point where we cut bait if and when we can but you have to let the process play out... which means he plays until the league office suspends him or his lack of performance warrants it... I just believe that the lack of production is no longer worth the circus and distraction its caused.
If this old case is so different why take so long, Deshaun shouldn't be benched until proven otherwise
Is it the same lawyer? Because if so something is fishy
Yup same lawyer
If it's so bad why not file criminal chrgs.
G-bush needs to understand that life isn't always fair & simple. It's for most of us the first real splash of reality that we are taught/learn from our parents (/parent) when growing up as children. If you think like that then your living in a fantasy world.
If they can get out of his contract. You have to own it and move on.
So our QB has almost 30 SA allegations against him and our best defensive player is a guy who once ripped off the opposing QB's helmet and bashed him over the head with it. Great. This is the kind of crap our team puts up with because we are so starved for talented players.
And always remember a women can say yes tonight and wake up tomorrow regretting saying yes and it's the same shit.
G love you bro never change your stance. I agree that we too fast but if this video is the most damning and clearly shows guilt he GOTTA GO it’s ov …
I love G bush. He's my spirit animal!!!
They hate to f*** that instead of the white man just coming out and saying hey we don't want the song watch no more motherfuker cost too much and we see that he ain't going to be s*** in the future just tell him to go give him a check get the f*** out of here no they want to mess up the rest of his life with his rape and sex addict s*** man that's b******* I'm on your team man
The Cleveland Browns have been bad since 99. The level of dysfunction and bad football year in and year out took its toll. I think a portion of the fanbase was so starved to win they were willing to look past Watsons accusations. Now that his play sucks they don't have that to fall back on. It was a Horrible move the day it happened and it continues to be. You don't make someone with that sort of baggage the face of your franchise. You most definitely don't reward them with a fully guaranteed contract. Haslam did both and now we as fans are stuck back in football hell on the field and off.
Ur a fool for wanting that trade. No he’s not an upgrade from Baker and u could have used those first round pics and try another QB. The Ivy League front office needs to go
why is G missing the point. D4 hasnt played well at all to justify him being on the team.. now with the new alligations its a done deal. get rid of the guy. hes not worth the play or the head aches
What his recorded as browns qb
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@@92Firelord not for long
Leave it up to yall we would never have another winning season again . Yall, just like get rid of them.
Bro ain’t contributing to winning 😂
You would think Deshaun had a losing record given what Jason is saying bro. Let the guy play a full season my guy
Why would Browns just give up on Watson after 1 game and go into another rebuild Players like Myles Garrett Denzel Ward , and Chubb not going to waste their prime with this mess
Watson has looked bad in 11 of 13 games as a brown. Since coming to cleveland his qbr ranks him 42nd in the nfl and his completion percentage ranks him 44th. His qb pff grade ranks him 53rd. Now just this year he is dead last in the nfl in qbr 32 of 32 qbs. It's not one game, he played like trash in 2022, 2023, and now 2024. What are you watching dude. He sucks by every stat. He looks like garbage. Accept it or keep looking like a fool.
You're forcing real men to battle on the field with a simp in Deshaun Watson. None of those football players would pay hundreds of whores to beat and lick theiir schlong. The real men want women to desire their manliness. Not have money waved in their faces. Guys wants to distance themselves from losers like Watson. They don't want to tarnish their manhood by being associated with a simp. They might think other people think they pay women for sex. They don't want that reputation.
It's not just 1 game. We are talking 3 seasons. If this was any other qb... they would of been cut by now.
At this point I assume the primes of Myles, Ward and Chubb are a lost cause. If we still had those 1st round picks, we would’ve been able to draft their replacements…
@@amkrajcDaniel Jones?😂
Its not Kevin's job to investigate claims of someone's guilt. Thats a stupid take.
Yeah cause we’re all dying to hear Jason Lloyd talk
Real American soldiers dont get paid what this guy gets paid. The military has a code of conduct, and he would be sitting in a prison and kicked out of the military, so leave the soldiers out of this screwed up mess!! There is no comparison between toy soldiers, real soldiers, and whatever this mess is!!!
He had one good year at Houston and the Browns did not check on how this guy played he was a bum. They have chance of making the playoffs I hope next year draft they can hit on a quarterback. But than again they are to stupid they will pass on a good quarterback it's been that way for years 👎👎👎👎they will never win a super bowl
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Then she had all year to file the suit and waited until the season started
Publicity couldn’t hurt her….
G Bush, is right, its up to the league or the browns brass to make that decision. It's going to get real ugly if they go down to that swamp Sunday and get smoked again, the team has alot of injuries and now more stuff piled on with a case from 2020? Dudes will be asking to be traded out in a few weeks, or just sit out with a injury and refuse to play.
You shouldnt hold someone out until you find out about the allegations. If it turns out he did it and you still were playing, you can always implement a suspension for as long as his actions deserve. If you hold him out and it turns out he didnt do it you can never get back those games that he sat out for absolutely nothing
Here's my thing just because someone accused you of something don't make it the truth wether it's 1 time or 20. Dude was on Instagram sleeping with THOTS and discarding them, Tasteless yes but it's awfully funny that these women are so traumatized but NONE OF them said fuck the money he needs to go to jail. This latest allegation comes from the same time frame as the others . And what's interesting is this happen in her home, so you invited him over lit candles took a shower a woke up a victim 4 years later, you can tell alot of these media squares don't know how the streets operate .
She's lying jus read the statement she made.
Sitting him makes him look guilty
G Bush think Watson gonna still be good wishing and hoping
Just like u
Imagine if the NFL, NBA, or other major leagues suspended players the moment any allegations surfaced. It would be simple to rule out Tom Brady for one of his Super Bowls or Stephen Curry for a Game 7. It’s definitely a slippery slope.
Bush is right. My question would be ; did she report it to the police? I would assume she didn't. Why not?
I never jumped on the Deshaun train! It was derailed from the start. They did baker dirty! I hate them for this! Makes me sick. If I didn’t bleed orange and brown I’d be a Tampa fan. They owe us fan big time on this dumpster fire!!!! 🔥
Good stuff G! You cant have it both ways. You vote for a convicted felon who.didnt have to do a day in jail.and is still working to win the highest job in the world, but want a guy who hasnt been convicted of anything to sit until things are sorted out. Sounds like 3 fifths a person versus we the people to me
The Fans need to cut ties with the Brown's until they get the circus figured out !! Year after Year nothing but BS SMH !!!!
I hope Baker wins the Super Bowl
That's never going to happen 😂Baker is a mediocre QB. TB's WRs make him look better than he is.
@@ImOutOfMtDew so was Jim plunkett, Doug Williams, Terry Bradshaw, Matthew Stafford……I thought FB is a team sport.
Didn't do it for Cleveland, this is his fourth team ( Browns, Panthers. Rams and Bucs), eventually he may get there, but not with Cleveland, that's all that matters for true Browns fans, he had his chances with the Browns, didn't deliver.
@@WSAMP24 He would've, could've, should've, but didn't, like NO Browns QB ever winning any Championship/Super Bowl since 1964. Bye Bye Baker.
If only one game was the Super Bowl with the Browns and he had those stats and actually won the Super Bowl. But, not ONE game into the season with anybody. Lol
Honestly, it would probably be best for both parties to cut ties. Best for the Browns and for Watson’s career. If Watson wants to salvage his career he’d be in a better position somewhere else at this point. A fresh start for both. If Watson could be honest about it I believe he’d want a to somewhere else also.
GBush is killing me in this interview.
Time for Deshaun to go. He got hustled and the scams aren’t going to stop.
This has been a total PR nightmare for the Browns. They had a young playoff winning QB that they both drafted & developed but decided to throw morals out the window and go with a dude with 27 allegations of SA/Misconduct and he ended up settling 23 with two still pending and now another case but for (R) G-Bush doesn’t seem to understand the NFL investigation teams found Watson to be not forthcoming and without remorse by the end of the investigation. While the former federal judge overseeing the cases also found Watson’s’ behavior to be that of a serial predator and advised the NFL to review its suspension policies on the issue because 11 games does not match the allegations. The whole situation is just wild and if that video take shows ANYTHING suspicious concerning Watson then that’s it for him. ITS OVER for him.
Lloyd's hatred for Watson has overcome any semblance of journalism, the man has lost all credibility by posturing such total absurd nonsense. Watson has played one game this year, and any additional allegations are just that. Wonder if Lloyd was a fan of Kobe Bryant....a man who was actually charged/indicted and went to trial for rape. Lloyd is full of his own crap.
That’s a different situation that what is happening here though.
First, it happened in 2002 which was totally different in terms of how we view these allegations. Kobe was also found not guilty of those charges but admitted the encounters might not have been viewed the same. He didn’t say he forced himself on the 19 year old woman.
Second, Kobe was good and balled out. Kobe had also been good the previous seasons when the Lakers won championships.
Watson hasn’t been good since he’s been back. So it’s not worth it, regardless of whether you believe he’s innocent or not. It’s business
Bro everyone else around the league feels the same, only browns fans still believe in Watson.
Jason is way…way off on this. He actually has me agreeing with Bull on this one 😂
@@Jsmooth1174 WRONG on all counts. Not different.....Watson was not indicted or charged on a single count, nor was he ever taken to a criminal trial.....Kobe had ALL of those tings. Second......Kobe was not "bailed out". He SETTLED with a huge financial payoff to the girl who accused him, which means he was guilty. Good and balled out means has NOTHING to do with this. Watson was great the last 3 games he played last year....he's played only 1 game this year. Prior, he was a 4 time pro bowler and he's only 28....let's see what he does with a FULL HEALTHY SEASON. Bottom line....Kobe was charged w/RAPE and went to trial for it, Watson has been charged with NOTHING. Get it yet???
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This is not a case of guilt or innocence. It’s a case of whether an employee is worth the headache or not.
i never said he was “bailed out”. I said he balled out meaning Kobe was an outstanding player, even during the criminal case . That is probably the reason the Lakers never considered waiving him.
The criminal case was dismissed because the girl would not testify. The civil suit was settled, likely because the cost of fighting the case and publicity weren’t worth the price. That does not mean he is guilty or innocent in the same way it doesn’t mean Watson is guilty he decided to settle all of the many civil cases he has.
And speaking of MANY cases, that is another difference. Kobe did not have dozens of women accusing him.
If you want to make an argument that Kobe should not have played, that’s fine. But this was twenty years ago so it’s not comparable to the current climate. Watson is not worth the trouble because he hasn’t produced.
GET IT?
Probably not 😂
Man listen at the end of the day until facts come out all opinions and comments will be tainted with some sort of bias. I definitely can see both Jason’s and G’s points in this situation. However, I want to it all play out.
G too woke bro gotta get some sleep
One of Berry's big points on players is availability. The first go round was a 💩 show and hasn't been worth the investment.
I've kept quiet to see how things played out but if he gets suspended again, I'm out on DW4.
Jason Lloyd a clown 🤡 glad G bush stood up and spoke the truth
Watson had a 9.3 qbr week 1 ranking him 32nd dead last in the nfl. literally the worst qb in the nfl right now, I hope this 27th case leads to browns voiding his contract, that would be the best thing for the browns.
@@anthonypa8045 bro stfu I see you on every Watson video hating
Comparing Watson to Trump. A true democrat. every conversation has to include Trump. So Pathetic
Yep I’m going to puke. Democrats can’t talk with their disgusting sex history. Epstein island?
Trump supports who hate Deshaun LMAOOO can’t make it up
I Hate no one including, Deshaun Watson. More lies from the Left
they can't help themselves. In Trump's case the statute of limitations had run out, but he was running for president so let's find something/anything to charge him with.... I know... if he used one "crime" to cover up another "crime", we can still charge him... now let's get it in-front of a democrat judge who's daughter is a democrat operative who has made millions on this case and do it in a democrat district... let's say that he covered up a crime that he was never convicted of, oh, and let's not allow the defense to call an election law expert to the stand who says the book keeping was done properly, finally, tell the jury that they don't even have to unanimous on the "crime" he covered up... now that he is "convicted" democrats like Bull and Bush get to call him a "convicted felon"... well, at least until the appeal process gets out of democrat New York and it gets thrown out. “Show me the man and I'll show you the crime”
They're like every other leftist, they think the entire country hates Trump, so they start spewing that nonsense.
I 100% agree with G-Bush…I’m not a huge Watson fan but let’s be fair
G bush blasted Jason.
Jason Lloyd is a hater let’s be honest
Everybody trippin except for G bush relax yall and let the man play football and get this together it was 1 game just say most dont like the guy but again nobody knows the guy except for whos close to him personally so lets just focus on football the game we love right i think most are more worried about off the field stuff than hoping that our QB gets it rolling deshaun has always started slow in seasons hes said it himself so lets just play ball and kick jacksonville a$$ its hard to play QB with a line that isnt fully healthy and dallas is a great team folks we are going to lose some games the nfl is a great sport with great players its not easy but hopefully most that talk have played the game and understand what it takes we gone be good relax yall!
Really? you still think badly about Baker? Well that right there makes what you say null and void. Although I do think Watson is washed up and does not have the eye of the tiger to play like a real NFL QB
I just want Jason and bull to think about what happens after you cut Deshaun. You now have no starting qb and have effectively killed the morale of the entire locker room with 16 games left to play. Do these guys secretly wanna see the browns suffer or something?
The locker room knows deshaun has been playing like trash for 3 years now. They want a good qb. Watson had a 9.3 qbr week 1 ranking him 32nd dead last in the nfl. literally the worst qb in the nfl right now, I hope this 27th case leads to browns voiding his contract, that would be the best thing for the browns.
Riiiiiiight you got the pulse of the locker room ok SMH@anthonypa8045
I totally disagree with you. He has no synergy with the team. No passion. When Flacco showed up you could see and feel it. The rest of the team was happy, they connected. Watson just sucks. How many chances does he get? Flacco balled out off the couch. Actually I believe the team will be happy to see him go. We had 5 quarterbacks last year. Morale?
@@ritalayman9396 great points, the vibe and energy of the offense does look bad when watson starts compared to flacco or even brissett. It looks like they know they can't be successful with him under center
G stand Up for Real!!
What's the evidence? What are the charges? He shouldn't be sitting because of allegations.