The Angels are Wasting Trout and Ohtani's Careers...and They Must be Stopped
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2024
- Creator: Matt
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Since Mike Trout's debut in 2011, the Los Angeles Angels have made the playoffs only once, and have never won a playoff game. Not only do the Angels have one of the best players in baseball history in Mike Trout, but now they have a healthy Shohei Ohtani doing things we've never seen before in the history of the sport. The Angels have never given either of these two a decent shot at a deep postseason run. Matt needed nearly 30 minutes to break it all down, and show you how this truly is a one of a kind disservice to the fans of professional sports everywhere.
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one of the best explanations of ohtani's greatness you could get... such fascinating stats
Didn’t expect to see you here
oh wassup pad
Chen Paddington
Pen Chaddington?
Late comment but holy cow your editing so funny 😂 you have earned me as a new sub
I feel like the Angels are the team that everyone always quietly supports because no one around baseball likes to see talent being wasted like this
fax i'm a nats fan and even though the angels got rendon (he was gonna go since nats signed straus) but i rly hope the angels do good
Marlin and Cub fan here and I desperately want Trout to get out because he’s wasted enough time there and deserves to chase after a championship with a good team.
I wouldnt say ANYBODY supports the garbage Angels. They just watch Trout and Ohtani highlights and skip the other trash they field. If you took Trout and Ohtani off the roster the Angels would probably get smacked by the minor league championship team.
I’ve gotten the sense is that everyone is fed up w the angels and just root for the players individually
Mets fan and I’ve always been a little sad when I see them lose
The worst part is the angels this year have a better record without trout than with trout
It was the same thing with them in 2017. Mike Trout=Jacob deGrom???
You guys have had an easy schedule but not taking away from how good you guys are lately also
Yeah maybe the Angels realized he’s the common denominator in all of their losing seasons. Trout’s a loser.
@@zacwoods Lmao Trout can't play every position. The Angels have bad coaching and the team relies on Trout too much that's why when he's out they win because it forces all the mediocre players to step up. Not Trouts fault. Other teams don't have this issue when their best player is out usually they get worse. Shows its an Angels problem and not a Trout problem.
Same shit with Nolan in Colorado, 2020 season. Doesn't really paint the big picture.
The Edmonton Oilers, McDavid and Draisaitl, comes to mind as a modern equivilant. Two generational players surrounded by lacking depth and management.
Except the Oilers just made it to the western conference finals.
@@TheRealJosh1-IYKYK ya but they got swept.
They'll never get past the second round again until some major changes happen in edmonton.
@@brandocalrissian3294 look at that, made it to the finales. Perhaps they will win it all soon.
Blame the ownership. Been an angel fan for 17 years about to be 18, and Arte Moreno cares more about the stadium looks rather than the team
At least he gives the Angels tons of money to spend?
@@avery11123 yeah but he never lets the GM spend it wisely. He likes spending money on big washed out names to bring in people. Hopefully our new GM isn’t used as a puppet like Billy Eppler was.
@@keeeeez23 still at least its fun to watch them, even if they suck they do a great job at entertaining
@@avery11123 true
The stadium is hella nice tho fr
Love Ohtani. So glad he was able to recover from his injury last year.
Ichiro and King Felix immediately come to mind. Exactly one playoff berth with a total of four wins between them both, with all of it coming in Ichiro's first season in the bigs. Felix never made it despite being borderline Hall of Fame talent.
(He was successful in Japan before but so was Shohei)
Felix's first Cy Young was in 2010. Ichiro had already been a pro for half his life.
Mariner’s did it twice: Griffey and A-Rod (although they didn’t play together for too long)
Yodel Odelstein The Reds didn’t do anything with Griffey either, to be fair.
Randy Johnson and Edgar Martinez as well. They had much better line up than the Angels now, but amount to nothing anyway.
@@lc9245 They didnt win a ring but it wasnt because the Mariners didnt put together a team capable. They made it to the ALCS twice. The Mariners definitely didnt waste Randy... they used him as much as possible and then shipped him to a team who did win it. Edgar was there for the 90s and 2001...
"Has anyone had to deal with this much mediocrity?"
Ichiro: Hai
The mariners won 116 games.....
and then they missed the world series
felix hernandez also says hello
@@drlongshaftmd wouldn't he say hola?
@@jn7428 Sure but after that the Mariners couldnt sniff the playoffs anymore.
This hurts as an angels fan, it’s bad ownership
Same
Same here😔
I’m in the Los Angeles area I am a fan of both the Dodgers and the Angels. It would be great if Trout and Ohtani would come up the road And join Albert Pujols On the Dodgers.
@@SW2799 no, that would be terrible
@@SW2799 He would lose the option to DH or else burn that arm playing outfield, which would be risky for him as a pitcher. AL is just offers more options for him.
As an angel fan who’s watched almost every game for the past 20 years. It is painful to watch this team fail year after year. We know what it’s like to suck but to have potential and suck is much much worse
Blame your leader for being a loser. Milquetoast Trout cant inspire or lead his teammates to anything of substance whatsoever. He had 3 seasons with a great team around him earlier in his career and did absolutely nothing with them.
Sorry there's no relief for you this year, in fact this year seems like the worst one in a while with how the angels were predicted to be and how good they started off. Sorry your front office has no idea what they're doing and doesn't give a shit about the fans.
Can’t believe their only WS title was 20 years ago now.
I know it’s a long time ago, but knowing how garbage they’ve been since then it feels even longer than that.
Wait until 2023.
The Troutani Days = The Days where Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani entertain Anaheim and management continues to make little to no progression
@Bipolar Bryan it rings off the tongue better. Also Trout has seniority over Shohei
It’s basically like Lebron James in his first 3 years in Cleveland, wasted years because he has to play with Anderson Verajo and Mo Williams
If you don't think the angels have a playoff-bound team this year you just don't know how to evaluate baseball teams.
@@cactusjackNV
I wish
LMAO! The baseball equivalent to the Dark Ages.
Youre missing out on the current day Edmonton Oilers, Draisaitl and McDavid are 2 of the 3 highest scoring players in the NHL since 2015 and have just one playoff series win between them and havent won anything since 2017
Or how about the '93 Oilers with Warren Moon and ...oh wrong Oilers
Yeah it really struck me that the obvious comparison is literally happening right now. Shows how little appreciation there is for the sport if hockey.
Nailed it man but sadly this guy probably could careless about the greatest sport in the world
Seriously, no one pisses away talent like the NHL. Edmonton and Toronto are especially, chronically pathetic and churn through HOF players on the regular.
@@callmejeff9272 Footy is the best sport. Then a tie between Baseball/football (American), then maybe hockey can fight with the NBA. And I am American.
Go Chelsea
I knew this day would come
What has come cause there is no way they are going to trade either one of these 2 players they would be down right stupid to trade them and the last time I looked a hall of fame player ain't judged on how many world series rings he has
The Angels should transfer Ohtani to the Outfield because since his pitching injuries I think the Angels are going to get Ohtani to the Outfield fast
An went
@@ethanniedorowski116 Ohtani Should leave Pitching for his new gig at 1BASE and Outfield
I’m not even an Angels fan, so I can’t even imagine how angry this must make their fans
For the last decade and then some, its been miserable. Legit had a memory from 8 years ago saying "its gonna be a long year with how bad our pitching is"
@@newsdan8193 its gonna be a long year because you know Milquetoast Trout isnt gonna lead your team anywhere no matter how good or bad the pitching is. If he’s the best player he needs to stay in the game and actually help his team win something otherwise kill all that chatter. He wasted 3 very good teams in Anaheim early in his career where he couldve made a playoff push but instead they didnt. They had solid pitching and didnt even make the playoffs.
@@zacwoods they haven't had solid pitching in over a decade. Even if they had big name starters, they underperformed and then the bullpen would allow too many runs. Take the blockhammer cause you're annoying 😂😂
In 5 step of depresion I am at step 2 already
@@newsdan8193 excuses excuses. We’ve seen WORSE teams make the playoffs. Dude couldnt even lead his team to the playoffs with 3 TEAMS TANKING IN HIS DIVISION. Stop it.
Man, I do think you guys get enough credit for the time, effort, and research you guys put into these videos. It’s always a goodnight when I can watch these 25 minute plus videos and hear these awesome opinions and ideas about baseball. Keep it up guys!
That really means a lot to hear. Thank you ❤️
Really feel like the 90s Mariners do fit this for the Griffey years.
ehhhhh…. idk about that
Did . . . you not watch Part 4 of that one thing?
King Felix as well
At least in 95 they won a playoff series.
I'd personally say Ichiro and King Felix fit it better tbh
Would be a tragedy not to see Ohtani play in a World Series
Griffey didn't play in a world series at all trust me you will survive
@@TheIerockabilly 🤣
@@TheIerockabilly And all the other mariner greats :(
He will be a Yankee or a Met in the future
@@slapshot68 my dad said the same thing. He won’t go anywhere where he can’t both pitch and hit but will pay the price for his talent
I did a Franchise on the Angels on MLB The Show and they have plenty of hitters but they pitchers other then Shohei sucks.
All I literally did was got rid of Pijols and sign some pitchers and the very next season they end up winning nearly 100 games
mlb the show so realistic
Lmao
That probably wouldn’t happen though
You should apply to be the angels' GM!
@@joshuahays3566 bruh imagine thinking that it’s more complex than that…
As an Angels fan, I've been saying for the last decade we need to fix pitching. Its insane that its still the biggest weak spot on the team.
The Incredibles background music and reference in the last part makes this an instant like
I've BEEN telling my best friend that Mike Trout will be one of the greatest players to never get a ring. He's going to be the Carmelo Anthony of MLB.
If you are doing that comparison, there's better players to make that comparison. Charles Barkley, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash, James Harden, just to name a few.
Carmelo Anthony is not the greatest nba player to never win a ring. You must not watch the NBA much.
Lol Carmelo
@@shawnlynch9658
Seriously. I bet you his best friend was like "wtf? Carmelo?" Lol
Lol melo shouldn’t be in the same breath as trout
The Oilers are doing this right now with McDavid and Draisitle.
The Sabres do it too
Atleast the Oilers make the playoffs
The angels are staight up shit
@@ashishnegi3948 Only twice since 2006 despite 5 number #1 picks.
For non-hockey fans:
- Connor McDavid is the Mike Trout of hockey: the best player of his generation, and on pace to retire as one of the best players ever. At 24 years old, McDavid just led the NHL in scoring for the 3rd time, and he is a heavy favorite to win his 2nd MVP award.
- Leon Draisaitl is the reigning NHL MVP and (barring a career-ruining injury) a surefire Hall of Famer. Over the last 5 seasons, Draisaitl is 2nd (behind only McDavid) in total point-scoring.
- This season, McDavid and Draisaitl lapped the field in terms of scoring. McDavid led the league with 105 points and Draisaitl was 2nd with 84. After those two, the next-highest scorer recorded only 69 points.
- McDavid and Draisaitl have made the playoffs twice, winning a total of 7 games. It's not nearly as egregious as the Angels' lack of success, but (unlike Trout and Ohtani) McDavid and Draisaitl are almost the same age and have spent their entire careers together. This is the Angels' first season of healthy, prime-level Trout/Ohtani, but the Oilers have been squandering the McDavid/Draisaitl combo for years.
One parallel to this situation could be the Chicago Bears in the late 1960s. The Bears had Gale Sayers at Running Back and Dick Butkus at Linebacker. Two generational talents and are still looked at today as two of the best to ever play their positions. The bears did not make the playoffs with either of them
Thank GOD THE 85 BEARS WON SUPERBOWL 20 AND GOT THE LATE GREAT WALTER PAYTON HIS RING.
( BIGGEST FAULT DITKA MADE WAS NOT GETTING SWEETNESS HIS TD)
Those 60s Cubs had 3 hall of famers in their regular lineup when Billy Williams is included and still couldn't make the playoffs.
Don't forget they had Fergie Jenkins at the tail-end of the 60's and into the early 70's.
Well for a lot of those years they just couldn’t compete with those Dodgers teams of the 60’s and in 1969 they just fell apart and couldn’t win the division.
"Making the playoffs" was really "making the world series" back then, as only two teams made the postseason. It sounds worse when you say it the way you did, it was extremely hard to win the pennant in the old days, winning the division didn't guarantee you a spot in the postseason. Now a days a 90 win team can win the world series if they get hot in September/October. I just think its kind of harsh to put it the way you did, the Angels are far more disappointing because they cant even achieve a first round exit, something those Cubs teams could have at least done with the current playoff format back then. The Cubs did absolutely choke in 1969 though, ill give you that.
To be fair, there’s a lot of time for Ohtani, and Trout to be even better.
Hoping to see them become more legendary than they already are over the rest of their careers.
And never make the playoffs. That's a wasted career. Ohtani will be in Dodger blue in 2024 and Mike trout is a moron for staying loyal to artie Moreno.
We've had too many great players have their careers wasted by dysfunctional franchises. This is just so sad.
@Fries Technically Trout Was An Regular In 2012 Which Was Trout's Second Year
If I were managing the angels I would Invest HEAVILY in your player development and scouting. Secondly, the only players I would be handing big contracts to is their core. That being Trout, Ohtani, Rendon, and Adell depending on how he ends up. But they all seem to be under contract for a while so that step is already done. I’d throw a decent amount of money at a really good starting pitcher too. Obviously they need it. A few medium-ish sized deals for pitching depth and bullpen reinforcement.
Outside of the core + a couple good supporting pieces. I’d be going full Tampa Bay Rays mode. Get rid of all the bad contracts and play money ball with the rest of the roster. Get effective players for a bargain price. If some don’t work out… well, it’s still better than their old strategy of throwing big money at players who suck for them. Then you just rely on your investment in your farm system to pay off. Good pieces coming from there can supplement their core, and if any have some high trade value you can trade them off for additional good pieces.
I think the closest to Ohtani and Trout in sports is with Leon Draisaitl and Connor McDavid who play for the Edmonton Oilers in the NHL.
yea but at least they've made the playoffs, they've won a series or two... maybe try the leafs on for size (and even STILL they've made the playoffs at the least)
I'm actually thinking Matthew Stafford and Calvin Johnson with the Detroit Lions.
@@gregcub3d it’s a lot harder to make the playoffs in the MLB. It’s a very good comparable. McDavid and Draisaitl have each won MVP awards
I scrolled looking for this. McDavid has a real shot at being top 3 all time in my opinion. I've never seen a player better than him. Draisaitl is in the same vein at this point as well. Pretty rare you have the top 2 scorers on the same NHL.
When will both be FAs?
I have always felt the Cardinals have been the most consistent organization for building a winning team no matter what. They have great player development and never get stuck in signing large wasteful contracts. Plus, Ohtani and Trout both have had their chances at signing with a winning franchise. They just chose not too. Them two are a rare breed.
$$$ over 🏆🏆🏆
This reminds me of Angels in the outfield....I think we all know what they need to do to win.
Ohtani's journey to the majors was unconventional. Usually Japanese players play however many years over there before their free agency (similar to how team control works in the MLB) before being shopped abroad. Ohtani asked his Japanese team to allow him to go to the States earlier just cause he thought he could do well there and they allowed it. Thus, he would earn the league minimum in the MLB and start from scratch. Every team wanted him so they all threw him their pitch, and after he announced that he'd join the Angels he revealed why.
1 - He wanted to play in the American League so he could DH (obvious)
2 - He wanted to play on the West Coast to be closer to Japan (understandable)
3 - He didn't want to play on a team that already had a Japanese icon (meaning no Mariners (Ichiro) and arguably no Rangers (Darvish and that isn't really West Coast anyway))
So that leaves only the Angels and the A's....he would have been a perfect Athletic, absolutely perfect. It would have given the club the boost they needed to be true contenders and as he'd be under team control for however many years, an excellent Beane-esque signing....
I'm assuming he chose the Angels for the city of LA, that the Angels are more prestigious than the lowly (cough) A's, and idk if he really cares about winning as much as marketing his brand. Ichiro is Elvis in Japan. Every old person there knows about the Mariners. Think he wanted his 'team' to be more....presentable. But damn if only he wanted to win more, how awesome that would have been...
Bring him to Oakland?
Ohtani isn't a material person like, ehm, you. His salary goes to his manager and all he did is practice without playing around so LA aren't good for him. Remember pitcher who drugs?
The only reason he goes to LA is Oakland wouldn't give him more money and his manager know it better. They understand Ohtani is good enough to play and then choose where to stay where he can spend all of the money.
And Athletics is pretty much antagonized especially during Ichiro Mariner era in Japan, so probably just go to LA since his senpai is in Rangers previously.
At least you guy’s have a movie about your gm and not about your team being a spring board for the rest of the league. I’m an Astro’s fan, and yes I get the asterisk on their championship, but when the Angel’s got this guy I was legit scared that they got the talent to win the league a few time’s. Do you understand why they just don’t win? I can’t figure it out. Our team’s are in the same division.
ohtani never considered the A's tbh, his finalists actually included a few NL teams. As a mariner fan it's sad to see him go to a division rival.
Ohtani's free agency was frustrating to follow. Every contender was in on him and was willing to pay him. After visiting a couple of teams and executives, he gives his demands, and the Angels were the only fit.
It will never be as bad as the mariners wasting Felix's career..... When he was loyal as F to the M's
Zero Postseason Appearance :(
Yeah, he overlooked Ichiro + Felix
Awesome vid bro! This makes me think about the Rays and A's which, in contrast to the Angels' bank, have at least gone to the post season recently several times despite their payroll. I'd love to see something about that in the future. Keep doing great content man!
I can’t think of a team that’s been worse than the angels when it comes to signing free agents. There owners are Wilpon level the way they give out these dumb contracts.
At least they spend
I’m a Pirates fan. I win this comment thread.
@@mathatter9158 fax
@Harry Engel Ummm... Rays, A's. Indians, Royals, Tigers, White Sox, O's, Marlins, Pirates, Rockies, Diamondbacks
There’s many teams that don’t spend.
Not as high profile, but the Blue Jays wasted the primes of both Carlos Delgado and Roy Halladay
Concerned that the same might be happening with Vladdy
The Ichiro era mariners also had Felix Hernandez.
their primes only overlapped for like 2 years, ichiro started his decline in 2011 and left in 2012. Felix had a few good season after 2012. In 2010 they both had good seasons but the M's lost 101 games...
The current Edmonton Oilers of the NHL are probably the closest comparison you can make. Seeing as McDavid is on his way to being easily a top 5-10 player of all time and Draisitl has been top 5 in league scoring three straight years and won MVP in 2020. This year they got swept in the first round of the playoffs, missed last year, and lost in the first round the year before that and that’s with the NHL allowing 16 teams into the playoff every year. I genuinely understand the magnitude of what both of these guys have done but man 2 MVP’s on the team in the last three years and McDavid is gonna win it again this year I honestly can’t decide which team is more extreme in letting down a pair of hall of fame talents.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
There are two types of teams. Some are going for championship and others are going to find a way to make money. Angels found a way to make money by having star players. Regardless of standings, the team can sell tickets and t shirts
meh. if thats your goal as a team in a competitive sport, you dont deserve a spot on the list of teams
The lions team with Calvin Johnson had 2 superstars Matt Stafford was also on the team and has some of the best stats he also got out of Detroit
13:11 That's the exact comparison I was thinking of. Calvin Johnson was a beast playing for Lions teams that ranged from average to abysmal (they did make the playoffs a few times in Calvin's career, but I'm sure much of that can be attributed to Calvin and to a lesser extent Matt Stafford).
Love all your videos and this is definitely one of my Favorites!! Something I find myself saying often since learning about Ohtani his rookie year is “I don’t think people really understand how hard what he’s doing is, and how unbelievably good he really is”!!!
I really think if he stays healthy enough to continue pitching all year, and stays consistent with his hitting(which I only see him getting inconsistent if he gets injured and is out of the lineup for an extended period of time) that he has the best chance at winning AL MVP this year. He doesn’t need to have league best numbers in either hitting or pitching, just above league avg in both, stays healthy, and I think he gets MVP relatively easy??
Thought??
Great video!!!!
The thing to keep in mind about those Cubs 50s/60s teams is that there wasn't even a playoff, you had to win the pennant in the regular season - thats like the two NFC/AFC teams with the best record automatically going to the Superbowl, it was really hard . Cubs almost did it in 1969 too.
Unless if you count pennant tiebreakers
Ive heard front office people dont want to go there because Artie meddles so much. They have had so many first time GM's because no one who has done the job is willing to work for them.
Thank you for putting all that work in it taught me a lot I appreciate when I learn something you got a new supporter in me
I laughed way too hard at “Angels of Averageheim”.
Shohei Ohtani could be the next Babe Ruth but hopefully he’ll have a title to his name
Coming from an individual that doesn't care much for baseball and only watching Jomboy's entertaining recaps, this video is put together well and kept me intrigued. Well done!
A team that might fit the angles situation is the Edmonton Oilers of the NHL and Connor McDavid. McDavid is probably the best player the sports ever seen and might be the best athlete in sports right now. He also has another top 5 player next to him but the problem is they can make the playoffs. But, every time they do they almost always disappoint as they were swept this year in the first round after McDavid put up one of the best seasons in the last couple decades. The Oilers consistently fail to put up winning teams around one of the best players ever
im a brand new angels fan through Ohtani joining the team and I’ve got a good feeling about this current lineup. The main issue with the angels right now is their bullpen, the Angels are very capable of run support for their starters but their bullpen struggles night in night out if they dont get 6+ from their starters. I’m hopeful for the team! and the Ohtani Show has been an awesome ride to follow. Loved the video!
There isnt a modern comparison to shohei. Thats just a fact. I'm just glad I'm here to see it.
I love ohtani but let’s be real his value as a 2 way player isn’t there.... he is a DH that can pitch above average *every fifth game* also let’s be real he isn’t gonna be a pitcher much longer cuz he can’t stay healthy
@@TheJonesmonster55 I have my doubts about ohtani to but he’s got a sub 3 era through like 11 starts he’s definitely a great pitcher
I love this…really well done video from start to finish. Cheers!
1:53 so we’re just gonna pretend like DeGrom isn’t hitting .400
How many of those have an exit velo of over 100mph? He also has far less at bats and 0 Hr this season.
He mentioned DeGrom at 3:32, but let's be real here, DeGrom isn't slugging 600 like Ohtani is and he is actually improving with Trout out. In June's 8 games so far he is averaging .292 with a OBP of .485 and slugging .708. Again, without Trout.
@@diemrcupcake
The joke
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You
@@jakemodesti5333 jokes are meant to be funny. Sorry sarcasm does convey on the internet.
Degrom isnt blasting homeruns like ohtani
Crazy how relevant this still is two years later. Luckily, Ohtani is about to escape, and Trout might, too.
Damn....the Mariners wasted those big 4 all at once
4 bugattis parked next to a mobile home...
i have been thinking about Mike Trout in that way for a few years now
very glad it has now been addressed at this analysis depth
Let's not forget that Trout could've easily transferred to any contender team in MLB with probably more than 500M deal, but he instead chose to stay in Anaheim. It could have been the biggest transfer saga after "the decision". You just can't say "Oh, Trout is stuck with a terrible team. What a tragedy."
Yup, he's a big boy and made a $400 million + decision. He'll be fine. :)
You CANNOT carry a Major League Baseball team. So anyone who uses that argument against Trout (or Ohtani) is ridiculous. A baseball player can’t have the equivalent of a 50 point game in the NBA, they can’t hit the game winning shot unless it’s the bottom of the 9th and they have enough runners on base to take the lead. They can’t throw for 400 yards and 5 TD’s like a Quarterback can. All a player in the MLB can do is hit the ball when they’re up to bat, and catch it or make the throw/tag when the ball comes to them.
It is much easier for a pitcher to dominate in a single game. But even still, that’s not carrying a team. You can only pitch every 5th day, or if you’re a reliever a few innings every few games. And even then your team only wins if the offense gives you the proper run support.
The Phillies are the angels of the east 😞
Excellent observation. Totally agree.
i hate to agree with you but i have to
I remember the Angels hit 7 homers in one game last season and lost 7-8. It's time to get the hell out, Shohei and Mike.
You can include Stafford with megaton on that wasted career by management perfect comparison
I’m excited to see how he does in L.A. he’s a top tier arm talent
I think a really good argument can be made for Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl on the Edmonton Oilers
“I can’t fucking compete!” Got me so good XD
As an Angels fan, I'm grateful that somebody FINALLY spoke up about this. This team has been nothing but the definition of insanity for the past several years. A lolcow in disguise. We're not Tigers-level bad because we have Trout and Ohtani, but we're in no shape to actually compete with the big boys because everyone else is either injury-prone, past their prime, or are just flat-out terrible at baseball.
Something needs to change and it starts with getting rid of Arte Moreno. The man has cared so little about our team's success, being far more concerned about the brand than the actual product. Oh yeah, we don't ACTUALLY play in LA, but think about the revenue that could bring in! And to have Trout and Ohtani, the two most talented players in baseball, in tow? Even more money! We don't need anything else!
The tricky (and tragic) part about all this is that Arte has been so good at slyly deflecting blame to other people on the Angels staff and avoiding the guillotine, a la Among Us. First it was Brad Ausmus who was to blame for the 2019 season, so he was fired. Then it was Billy Eppler who was to blame for the lousy acquisitions for the past few years, so he was fired. As long as this organization keeps finding scapegoats to keep Moreno on his throne, don't expect the Angels to be a relevant team anytime soon.
Yup, simply put Arte SUCKS.
You got through this whole thing and this whole search without mentioning that Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl have won one playoff series.
This is what i was thinking the whole time
These front office criminals need to be stopped; great video highlighting this ongoing tragedy
I’m a Pirates fan, but consider the Angels my second favorite team. I wanted one team who sucks because they never spend money, and another who sucks because they spend SO much money
Oh man, you're a true fan, Nick. :)
Agree w the 4th part of the video; the success of a team starts with player dev, although it doesn't stop there. Nowadays, statisticians(Sabermetricians) are the most invaluable piece of daily MLB play, those with the best algorithms have the advantage. Then you have coaching staff and trainers, who are the glue of the team. Then comes the players. Then comes luck. Putting together a winning baseball team is like a jigsaw puzzle of working pieces. You can't just expect the absolute perfect plan, with all the best players, coaches, front office, etc to make a WS. That's the beauty of baseball.
The Angels have made some serious efforts in player dev and putting together an official plan for this, hiring out the cardinals gm who put together "the Cardinals way" which led them to 3 WS in recent time, maybe about 5 years ago he put together "the Angels way" which is modeled after that specific team and minor league dev strategy. The Angels have also hired and fired GM after GM, and they have boosted their minor league system over the past 8 years as well. The ranking maybe has changed last 2 years, but they were 2nd to last when they signed Hamilton, then after the implementation of the strategy boosted top 15 in recent time. You mentioned all the big contracts, which are all business moves, because the Angels owner is a savvy businessman, but you don't mention any of the quality quality moves this team has made. None of this was mentioned in the video.
As a baseball fan in general, I totally disagree with the premise of this video. To say, Trout and Ohtani are being wasted, and the Angels team are to blame is a haste generalization of the game, which goes beyond the game.
This is the beauty of baseball, it doesn't matter if you have the best player on your team, 1 person cannot carry the team like other major sports.
Its also disrespectful of Mike Trout and Ohtani, the GOATs, to say that their careers and all their efforts and contributions to the game are diminished by not making the postseason. This is the logic which causes players to throw away their values and abandon their teams, which I feel more fans respect than if a guy has the luck of being put on a great team. This is a slap in the face to baseball, you can't just take all the best players off of contracts, and place them on the 6 division winning teams at the end of the year.
You could make this same argument with literally 24 of the 30 teams, so maybe this video should just be called, "Why Mike Trout should abandon his team to play on the top 6 teams of the year."
Or we could just appreciate greatness, and respect the incredible difficulty it takes for a franchise to make the postseason in baseball in comparison to other sports.
Pretty simple. Mike chose the money over winning.
Damn yes. He doesn't seem to give two shots otherwise
If mike wanted money he would’ve gone to a bigger market. Let’s be honest Trout could easily get 500 mil or more if Lindor is getting 340 mil
@@wetzel1941 Well he certainly didn’t choose winning by staying with the Angels. If it’s not the money, please tell me what it is then.
@@wetzel1941 you can't really go to a bigger market than LA, even as the 2nd team.
@@upside93 Anaheim isn’t really LA. I live in Orange County and it’s completely different
It hurts also as an angel fan. If we had a manager who could care more about are bullpen we would be way better. We have no pitching but 2 of the best players in the league, Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani. Thanks WannaBeMEme for the idea of this comment.
That clip from “the show” of the dude screaming “I can’t fuckin compete” is hilarious!!!
A shout from the NBA:
Tmac and Yao- both top 7ish players for about 5 years, zero career playoff series wins combined while on the same team the entire time. Neither were ever considered the best like trout, but Tmac was in that top 3 discussion for all of his prime, while Yao was the most gifted player in NBA history who injuries turned into maybe a top 15ish player for his era. With that said, he SHOULD have been a top 3 player as well, purely speaking on talent. Great vid!!!
Yao wasn’t top 7 lol he was a fringe all star like top 20 or so not a superstar MVP candidate
Trout chose to be there. Therefore he chose playoff irrelevancy.[Edit] Also, brother and I have a conspiracy theory Ohtani was made in a Japanese laboratory.
i think he chose loyalty over playoff irrelevancy, sir. he wants to win with this team.
Well, Trout is smart. If he stays with the Angels his entire career, he will have a statue built there and will be known as the greatest player to ever put on an Angels uniform. His name will become synonymous with being an Angel. Similar to how Babe Ruth and Lou Gherig and Mickey Mantel are synonymous with the Yankees organization. Ken Griffey Jr. was a great player, but I always associate his name with the Mariners organization, even after he played with other teams. Sometimes players decline after leaving their home team.
@@nerychristian I agree, but trout isn’t the type of player to decline, he’s a generational talent. He’ll decline when he’s like 35-36
@@nerychristian he could've had that with literally any team. Many argue he's on a path to be the greatest baseball player ever. So him being the best "fill in the blank" would naturally come with that.
@@samuelhuntington7635 how's that going?
As an Angels fan, this video hurts a lot. This is all on Arte Monero - the owner and his executive team.
Giving Mike Scioscia a 10 year deal - a manager who simply refused to adjust to the new era of moneyball and analytics from 2010 - 2018.
Low prioritization of scouting and player development in the past decade was devastating for the Angels. Red Sox and Dodgers hire the most scouts in the league with the best minor league facilities. No surprise it feels like they always have a young stud in the minors every year. Those franchises are always in the playoff hunt.
Arte Moreno’s refusal to hire a President of Baseball Operations. Seeing the Red Sox hire Chaim Bloom and the Giants hire Farhan Zaidi have paid so much dividends thus far in such little time for their respective franchises. Nothing against Jerry Dipoto, Billy Eppler, and Perry Minasian - Bloom and Zaidi are in a whole new level. Two genius baseball executives cut from the Andrew Friedman Tampa Bay Team. They’re absolutely wizards at finding hidden talent like Max Muncy, Chris Taylor, Randy Arozarena, etc. Along with managing their team like Ziadi is maximizing every ounce of the 2021 Giants team. Instead Monero always hires first time GMs and he always has a say in player trades and free agency. I know Minasian is new but the two big pitching acquisitions last offseason were Alex Cobb and Jose Quintana . That tells me Monero is penny pinching. Liam Hendricks, Brad Hand, Trevor Bauer, Trevor Rosenthal, Yusmiero Petit, Shane Green were all available.
I hope things change - it hurts not seeing Ohtani and Trout at least have a fighting chance in September let alone a playoff wild card in October.
Stay strong Angel fans 😇 thank you so much for the video.
If you’re looking for comparisons in other sports, McDavid is a pretty good comparable. He’s the best player in the NHL and has had virtually no team success. He also has a superstar teammate in Leon Draisaitl.
This video was excellent thank you so much. When the angels won the World Series in 2002 my mom said “enjoy it, it’ll probably never happen again.” Boy was that unexpectedly prophetic lol. I too, ultimately hope we are wrong and that the angles can figure it out.
Joesph Gordon-Levitt’s dad is never coming for him 😢
Not being able to win with two players who the reincarnation of Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle is a waste.
Aren't Trout and Ohtani wasting their careers by agreeing to sign with the Angels?
Money makes the world go round.
Exactly
if they didn't receive pay for not advancing into the post season a person could say they were wasting their career. fact is these guys get paid hundreds of millions over their career. their legacy might be bankrupt but i'd say their doing just fine.
@@nerychristian ask some NBA superstars that
As an angels fan I like this video, but also frustrates me. I like it because you are completely correct and what that is what frustrates me. Honestly you can probably do a better job at fixing this train wreck of an organization than our front office. Love the video from a frustrated Angel fan!
Love the Marvel references! .. This makes me sad being an Angels fan🤧
a career you enjoyed wasting is not wasted..
"What other examples can we find of a team wasting generational talent."
Me, a Lions fan: *visibly winces*
Same I was waiting for Megatron in the Multiverse of Mediocrity
I feel all of your pain as an angels fan. I wish we could do something with them but arte is just holding us back. But seeing what we've done this off season I have some joy for the future. Also yes I hate the fact that we're called the Los Angeles Angels of Anahiem. I honestly want it to go back to the Anaheim Angels. Because we're not LA.
The Lions wasted Calvin Johnson and Matthew Stafford at the same time
It's a management problem. Big part of being a GM is being able to identify key role players to supplement their stars, none of which have really worked out for the Angels. Player development is also very important. It's sad, I want to see trout make a deep post season run because that's really where legends are born.
Jordan and Pippen in the late 80’s but then the 92-94 happened maybe for Trout and Ohtani it’ll be 22-24 🤷🏾♂️ Similar situation 2 great players made a terrible organization great 👍🏾 Also the bulls were mediocre before and after that era
Different sport but similar journeys and only example where talent has changed a organization
my man is like the JimmyHxroller of MLB.
Put Ohtani To the Outfield in RF
Over a year old and this video is still 100% correct.
One comparable I can think of off the top of my head is Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl of the Edmonton Oilers in the NHL. Both are top 3 in scoring over the last 3 seasons, but the team itself can't make it through the playoffs. They just got swept earlier this year. The Oilers have been great in the regular season recently, but can't win when it counts. Not so much mediocrity from the team, but inability to perform when it matters.
Ohtani is MVP
Bad ownership and mediocre management can lead to disappointing teams even if you have two generational talents... Poor Anaheim Angels
It’s kinda Trout’s fault though because he chose to resign
I was looking for this comment. He could have gotten that contract anywhere but he chose the angels with their front office issues
They still had money to get him help though. Why blame him for taking the big contract and actually being loyal when they just signed Rendon to a ridiculous contract when they should've invested in pitching?
No one told Mike Trout to resign and extend his contract with the Angels. Shohei Ohtani chose the Angels over every other team as a free agent. Blame these two grown ups for waisting their own talent on the Angels, especially Trout.
Exactly, they could have signed with millions of other teams, and what do people expect? The number one goal of a baseball team is to win a world series, so you need good players to do that. Imagine if a bad team had some amazing players but traded them away because the company felt like they were “wasting” their careers
I think you forgot about Felix Hernandez he was good with the Mariners but just had no run support and havent made the playoffs since 2001 soooooo
Except this video isn’t about him or Seattle soooooooo
@@krisdelgado4922 that was for a comparison you bot
@@kanyes_bg well if you watched the video you’d know that there really isn’t a comparison there, and btw I’m real buddy
@@krisdelgado4922 Yes there is Hernadez was an Allstar on a shitty team when he was in his prime
How is this not a comparison
@@kanyes_bg didn’t you just say agree to disagree???
My first thought of a comparison was when Andre Dawson won MVP in 1987 while his team finished in last place in the league. The Cubs would only play 1 postseason series during his tenure with them, losing to the Giants in the 1989 NLCS
Omg totally forgot about that roided up monster
Eh I don’t really care, trout is having fun and so is Ohtani that’s all that matters to me.
As someone who has been an angels fan their whole life... I completely agree with this video... Our bullpen is complete dog poo poo... I don't think that many people realize that good pitching wins games, and that a consistent offense just helps... PITCHING, PITCHING, PITCHING... LORD PLEASE GIVE US SOME FREAKING PITCHING! ... read my mind when he said that weaver was one of the last great pitchers on the Angels cause it's BIG TRUE
Best I can think of is Jerry west and Elgin Baylor on the Lakers, west only won a single championship but Baylor never won any.
So what you are saying is Trout should be the new MLB logo
Did you realize you could stuck with Lions for your example cause they wasted 95% of Stafford’s career before DC asked him if he wanted to get traded.