I stand by my comment below, but that was a very informative and intelligent video. Something that every short track racer should listen to and study. Thank you
Appreciate the videos bud. I'm doing my best to learn all I can about my late model set up. So much to learn and understand. If I put the time in it will pay off. Appreciate you!!!
Awesome video, thank you. hope to see you finish this setup series, its where the rubber meets the road, literally. Just bought 15 Port City Slm, so what your teaching here is really, really useful. Thank you Bj....
Subbed. Love your videos. I've been racing for over 25 years and you are very informative. I'm retired from racing (for now). The last SLM I was responsible for setting-up was the previous generation Port City chassis. '01 -'07 I believe? I cold be wrong. I would have loved this updated front stub. Keep it up BJ
Setups work counter symmetrically like our bodies. For example. If your right side of body is tight. Our left side needs work. Same principles apply to setups in cars alot of times
This is best racing vid on how to just get the know how's to get basics. When you talk about load do you mean catching a spot on the corner the right way or is it all pre run setup?
We keep shaft lock collars to clamp on the rods on the power assist portion on the steering rack nice easy way to keep the wheels pointed where you want them.
What do you mean get the load in the tires? I'm new. So you gotta roll well into corners are saying which depends on setup. The wind tip was clutch. I get that like in any sport. Thanks you for your info.
Love your videos, I do have a question tho as far as center location for starting measurements ("0" point of the X Y axis) on an offset car. I am as well a roll center guy, with the same program as you. being that with an offset car has different lower length and sometimes different offset wheels would the center location not be center of contact patch to center of contact patch divided in half? I have been at a stand still with roll centers ever since this has come to my att. and would really like your input, all roll center articles I find are of symmetric suspension and do not really give a good understanding of where the "0" point of the X Y axis should start , thanks and again love your videos
I have an early 90s late model. In it's early years it was ran as a super late but I now have 8 inch hoosiers and running it mainly as a limited late. is this geometry roughly the same??
11:30 Can you elaborate on this? I think you said vertically but I think you mean parallel it would be awesome to see you set this up and make the Mark… Thank you very much really appreciate it and I have subscribed
I noticed in the video when you talked about camber, and in roll center program that the lowers were flat statically and gained some angle when the car dove down. My team is coming off jacking force type setups and we are really trying to learn roll center and we hear some people say that the lowers should always stay as flat as possible and others say you need angle. We run super low ride heights to minimize the movement of the roll center and to try and keep the lowers as flat as possible. Should we be doing this and what are the advantages/disadvantages? We also have a race coming up and we already feel confident in our shock package so we are looking to really play with roll center adjustments at the track to get our car to rotate a little better.
Here's the thing about A-arms and travel. The more angle they go through, the more the car narrows up. The flatter the wider. Measure your car at 4", then lower the car so the cross member is down and you'll see the car narrows up, and in some cases it's quite a bit. I personally feel the geometry is more important than width, so I'll sacrifice some tread width to have my geometry correct in travel. This is something you'll want to keep in mind as you design your front suspension.
@@bjtidrick9973 So I've raced an asphalt super late model for awhile now and am always a little off the leaders. Do you know of any chassis setup classes I could take to learn more about setup for non bump stop chassis setup? I read Bob bolles books but am still looking for something more.
@jumpshotkangaroo7585 we run outlaw super asphalt and bump stop packages win everything around us not saying conventional can't but it's active rear end and try to run on bumps at least with the front
@@allenjones9003 thanks for replying but bumps aren't allowed in our class. It's a no ride height rule so we have set it as low as possible and set up from there
I'm sorry bro, but your comment that racing is not like a stick and ball sport is horribly wrong (I played baseball until I was 35). I've been involved in racing for my whole life from an armchair warrior (these days) to a pit box pig-pen when I was 15. True, if you swing and miss twice you can still hit it out of the park in baseball, but the same is true with a setup. You can turn a lap that sucks, then back it up with a .1 or .2 or better improvement on tires that shouldn't give you that under the same conditions. How do you explain that other than the driver getting better? Drivers like any other athlete are better at some tracks and laps than others. To think otherwise is folly.
When I say "not like a stuck and ball sport" I mean we have repetition... In football or baseball you get a few opportunities to make big plays, in racing you have have to make 100-200 plays a race. When was the last time you saw a football player run the ball for 15, 30, 45 minutes straight? I've never seen it. Players of other sports get breaks. Racers don't. We continue to perform lap, after lap, after lap... and being consistent lap after lap, often with very little chance to ever catch your breath. You wouldn't understand watching from the pits. You just compared a strike to a .1 or .2 tenth on track. That is a poor comparison. when we strike out, our shits buried in the wall... Not to mention baseball players don't pay tens of thousands to play baseball. Lmao. Yea. Racing is unlike any stick and ball sport. The goal of this video is to help the struggling racer. Not argue over comments about sport. If you learned something from my video, COOL. If not, dont be that guy triggered by a comment.
I stand by my comment below, but that was a very informative and intelligent video. Something that every short track racer should listen to and study. Thank you
Appreciate the videos bud. I'm doing my best to learn all I can about my late model set up. So much to learn and understand. If I put the time in it will pay off. Appreciate you!!!
Awesome video, thank you. hope to see you finish this setup series, its where the rubber meets the road, literally. Just bought 15 Port City Slm, so what your teaching here is really, really useful. Thank you Bj....
Solid video! Even though I do not race anymore, it is nice to see that I followed alot of what you showed in this video!
Thanks BJ!
Great video, very informative!
Subbed. Love your videos. I've been racing for over 25 years and you are very informative. I'm retired from racing (for now). The last SLM I was responsible for setting-up was the previous generation Port City chassis. '01 -'07 I believe? I cold be wrong. I would have loved this updated front stub. Keep it up BJ
Great information! Thank you!
Great vid
great video
Setups work counter symmetrically like our bodies. For example. If your right side of body is tight. Our left side needs work. Same principles apply to setups in cars alot of times
This is best racing vid on how to just get the know how's to get basics. When you talk about load do you mean catching a spot on the corner the right way or is it all pre run setup?
Thank you for your time
Great great stuff dude! Tag the bell friends!
We keep shaft lock collars to clamp on the rods on the power assist portion on the steering rack nice easy way to keep the wheels pointed where you want them.
Yep. The #20 was a 2010 Port City and it won everything!!!!
you should do a video about tire setup and prep!
What do you mean get the load in the tires? I'm new. So you gotta roll well into corners are saying which depends on setup. The wind tip was clutch. I get that like in any sport. Thanks you for your info.
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Love your videos, I do have a question tho as far as center location for starting measurements ("0" point of the X Y axis) on an offset car. I am as well a roll center guy, with the same program as you. being that with an offset car has different lower length and sometimes different offset wheels would the center location not be center of contact patch to center of contact patch divided in half? I have been at a stand still with roll centers ever since this has come to my att. and would really like your input, all roll center articles I find are of symmetric suspension and do not really give a good understanding of where the "0" point of the X Y axis should start , thanks and again love your videos
Will this work on a imca type modified for asphalt?
How does the rack move when it’s in specific holes?
I have an early 90s late model. In it's early years it was ran as a super late but I now have 8 inch hoosiers and running it mainly as a limited late. is this geometry roughly the same??
11:30 Can you elaborate on this? I think you said vertically but I think you mean parallel it would be awesome to see you set this up and make the Mark… Thank you very much really appreciate it and I have subscribed
I noticed in the video when you talked about camber, and in roll center program that the lowers were flat statically and gained some angle when the car dove down. My team is coming off jacking force type setups and we are really trying to learn roll center and we hear some people say that the lowers should always stay as flat as possible and others say you need angle. We run super low ride heights to minimize the movement of the roll center and to try and keep the lowers as flat as possible. Should we be doing this and what are the advantages/disadvantages? We also have a race coming up and we already feel confident in our shock package so we are looking to really play with roll center adjustments at the track to get our car to rotate a little better.
Here's the thing about A-arms and travel. The more angle they go through, the more the car narrows up. The flatter the wider. Measure your car at 4", then lower the car so the cross member is down and you'll see the car narrows up, and in some cases it's quite a bit. I personally feel the geometry is more important than width, so I'll sacrifice some tread width to have my geometry correct in travel. This is something you'll want to keep in mind as you design your front suspension.
@@bjtidrick9973 Thank you! We will experiment a little bit.
You could probably make a shopping cart fast.
Hello. Where does one get a setup plate for the garage like you have for the car and how much do they roughly cost?
This one cost 5k I believe. We got it from a fellow racer that had a few. It's 20 foot by 8 foot and 1 inch thick. It weighs a LOT!!!
@@bjtidrick9973 Thank you
@@bjtidrick9973 So I've raced an asphalt super late model for awhile now and am always a little off the leaders. Do you know of any chassis setup classes I could take to learn more about setup for non bump stop chassis setup? I read Bob bolles books but am still looking for something more.
@jumpshotkangaroo7585 we run outlaw super asphalt and bump stop packages win everything around us not saying conventional can't but it's active rear end and try to run on bumps at least with the front
@@allenjones9003 thanks for replying but bumps aren't allowed in our class. It's a no ride height rule so we have set it as low as possible and set up from there
“IF IT AINT BROKE
DONT FIX IT”
I used to watch you when I was a kid. Are you still racing?
I'm sorry bro, but your comment that racing is not like a stick and ball sport is horribly wrong (I played baseball until I was 35). I've been involved in racing for my whole life from an armchair warrior (these days) to a pit box pig-pen when I was 15. True, if you swing and miss twice you can still hit it out of the park in baseball, but the same is true with a setup. You can turn a lap that sucks, then back it up with a .1 or .2 or better improvement on tires that shouldn't give you that under the same conditions. How do you explain that other than the driver getting better? Drivers like any other athlete are better at some tracks and laps than others. To think otherwise is folly.
When I say "not like a stuck and ball sport" I mean we have repetition... In football or baseball you get a few opportunities to make big plays, in racing you have have to make 100-200 plays a race. When was the last time you saw a football player run the ball for 15, 30, 45 minutes straight? I've never seen it. Players of other sports get breaks. Racers don't. We continue to perform lap, after lap, after lap... and being consistent lap after lap, often with very little chance to ever catch your breath. You wouldn't understand watching from the pits.
You just compared a strike to a .1 or .2 tenth on track. That is a poor comparison. when we strike out, our shits buried in the wall... Not to mention baseball players don't pay tens of thousands to play baseball. Lmao. Yea. Racing is unlike any stick and ball sport.
The goal of this video is to help the struggling racer. Not argue over comments about sport. If you learned something from my video, COOL. If not, dont be that guy triggered by a comment.
But if you kick a home run in racing how many points do you get
Tim is looking for that rain delay or yellow flag to make up times?