‘£65,000 for a 4-day week?!’ | 'Militant' union DENY members vote on deal, are train drivers GREEDY?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- ASLEF have announced fresh industrial action as it's revealed they are denying their union members a vote on a deal that was put to them by the Department for Transport. Some GB News viewers are outraged that the 'militant unions' are causing more disruption.
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People on minimum wage unable to get to work because others on £65k want more money.
So true
Yes spot on. We lose pay or have to use it as holiday.
Well support them by using alternative transport in the days they are on strike. Then support them when they return to work after winning better pay and conditions. People on minimum wage are probably not unionised. That’s how their greedy bosses can get away with paying poverty wages. And it’s the government that sets the minimum wage not the train drivers
@@George57 Why would we support them?
All these strikes are the Unions undermining the Tory's as ever. No real issues.
And it's not like the Tory's need other people undermining them. They've done a great job of doing that to themselves.
Get a grip
those on 60 to 80 thousand per a year, holding those that earn 1/4 of that to ransom. by refusing to work. preventing millions of workers that are paid nowhere near as well from being able to pay to put food on the table
Did you not watch the video??? It's not about pay. It's about terms and conditions, meaning that the companies and the government want to implement reforms that will make it unsafe for passengers and for workers. It is the unions who are standing in the way of this tyranny in order to keep us all safe. Maybe you should consider thanking these courageous men and women risking their lives FOR US. And all they want in return is more pay, fewer passengers, shorter working hours, no redundancies as all jobs are important and necessary, lower fare prices, for Labour to be elected, and for the government to take back over the railway. That's what's fair. Please tell me what is so unreasonable about that. I see nothing mutually exclusive in their demands
@@theprivilegecheckers that there is nothing unsafe about it. Stop with your fear mongering.
@MinkieWinkle You are just showing yourself to be more and more ignorant. You could NEVER handle their jobs, putting their lives literally at risk Every. Single. Day. All for us. Everything they do is FOR US. To guide US and show us the way. YOU need to show some appreciation.
if you belonged to a decent union you too could be earning this much, but are you prepared to go out on strike for the time it takes to get it
@debeeriz Exactly this! 💯 We all need to stand up and strike so we can all be paid ever increasing wages. For those who claim it will only lead to inflation, I feel sorry for you that you are so willfully blind
A union? Greedy? You don't say.
Don’t forget lazy. Or power hungry.
Depends on the union and industry they represent and if its private or public.
I’d say the greedy ones are managers owners and share holders
When shareholders can take dividends after being bailed out by the government I'll back the workers fighting for a pay rise.
Everyone should be unionising & fighting for better pay. The money has been going to the 1% for years & steadily getting worse.
I hope you don’t get paid holidays or sick pay or time off at weekend or workers rights or anything else fought for by “greedy” unions…
With overtime, drivers can be paid 100k a year.
If overtime means a 40 hour week.
Tax the rich! Eat the train drivers!
That’s horseshit 😂😂
Which ones?
Yes joiner here 64 thats 2.5 times what i earn go to hell and back
Yes, I think employed tradesman are underpaid for what they do, assuming they're good at it.
The epitome of greed, they should stop for a minute and think of the millions of people who are struggling massively, these idiots are on brilliant wages.
A Sergeant in the British Army only makes about £40k a year, do train drivers get sent to every corner of the globe at a moments notice?, or even get shot at?
The average train driver in Japan only makes £11K per year, and the train service there is impeccable.
I think your figures are flawed as I just googled them and I chose the lowest at 55k and has benefits like housing ect
@Llamberg.Railway
I got that figure from the army's website, based on salary only, however!, it is still lower than train drivers.
@@Invictus357 not when you factor other things like cost of living and I quoted the lowest it can be much more like 100k or even 150k
@@Llamberg.Railway
So a generals base wage isn’t £120K via the army’s website, it would have to be £300K going by your interpellation.
You better call the army up and tell them that they are showing the wrong wages on their website, and miss-representing the wages.
Can you please provide the website you are looking at, because I can’t find anything, anywhere on British Army website’s that puts a Sgt’s salary at £150K.
The fact is the train drivers get paid a shite load more than most people.
It’s the same in Australia, train drivers get paid $120K+ AUD and still whine about not being paid enough.
I could only dream of getting paid that much when I was working.
@@Invictus357 I’m not talking about army wages, you referred to Japanese train drivers at 11k which is wrong as there wages are influenced by many thing like age, sex, line they work on types of train. I was taking the lowest wage at 55k approx. It just amazes me that people are comparing different jobs and there pay. But if you wish to compare was anyone forced to join the forces did they know what they were signing up for, don’t get me wrong I admire those who serve but comparing a specific job which may have its own merits on better pay is just wrong. But I’ll point out a fact before the railways were privatised a train drivers wage was 12k a year with add ons like night rates ect bringing up to around 18k once privatisation occured all these add ins were included in basic money and less conditions. So here we are some 20 years later and with modest pay increases where conditions have been given up the wages is where it’s at, also there has not been any pay rises for 5 years. Again you compare to Aus do remember it’s more expensive out there compared to us. There are 3 sets of key workers on the railway, drivers, signalmen, track workers, now isn’t it funny the two other groups sorted out there pay claims very early on but the rest of the Rmt were still in dispute a very good move by the government because without all 3 groups no trains can run in other words divide and conquer, some thing military you can appreciate
They actually compare their job to airline pilots lol
😂😂😂🎉
🤡🤡🤡🤡 the lot of them
They are more like fork lift truck drivers
I travel by train quite frequently. I take 4 trains, operated by 3 different companies on the days I travel. They are all invariably late, even those that have been sitting in the station for 15 minutes waiting for the departure time. I know before I even get on, that 2 of the trains, operated by one particular company, will be absolutely filthy. The rail unions want a salary increase for the cleaners, but they don't actually clean half the trains I use
pure greed, I live on 800 a month, when I have to rarely travel on the train, I have to pay through the nose, to have substandard service, for train drivers that are earning 6 or 7 times my monthly rate. Its disgusting.
It's such a shame you are unable to see the big picture
you have never been poor then @@theprivilegecheckers
It's not just about the greedy bastards wanting more money, there is always a political motivation behind strikes.
My pension is £10,904. My food, utility bills etc cost the same, so yeah, I would say they were being a tad greedy!
I'm all for the right for people to withdraw their labour and go on strike if they are being underpaid but railway drivers are most definitely not underpaid
Nor are they overworked.
There is one thing train drivers deal with that doesn't occur to most - people committing su1c1d3 in the most gruesome way. They literally explode when they hit these trains and the driver just gets a red smear on his windscreen.
Mate of mine repairs trains in East London - says he finds chunks of bone and flesh regularly.
I still have no sympathy for the train drivers mind you - they are gagging to be replaced by automation.
What labour? Sat down looking through a window in case there's a cow on the track.
How much should they be paid?
Where do I sign up?
It's not about pay it is about the steady erosion of safety standards in the pursuit of quick profit!
They are prime candidates for replacement by autonomous AI technology - they are ‘killing the golden goose’ at a time when they are becoming extremely vulnerable to be replaced! In so many cases in the past the unions have stirred up workers which has resulted in their ultimate demise!
i think thats a part of what the strike is all about .
Stupid money sell it off or reclaim back
i haven't seen anything about carers striking they should have a bumper pay rise
Yep well said..we just get on with our job even though its worth a lot more.
Well said, %50 pay rise for those in the caring profession.
@@davejazz2424 Doctors are overpaid.
I'd be more concerned about Union Secretaries earning inclusive six figure salaries. Companies are formed to make a profit. If you work for a company and it changes strategy for growth and development, there is a choice. Employees can except it or leave. Instead we see train drivers over demanding, roused up by union leaders.
Driving a train doesn't even involve steering! I'm sure that in the time they spend on strike, you could train a driver? If so, offer the job to unemployed people at a realistic rate and sack the greedy drivers. Maybe the price of a train ticket will become affordable again.
Do you find steering particularly difficult? Sacking them wouldn't just be illegal, but a hilariously stupid idea
Comparing with many other working fields, it’s undeniable the train drivers have been well paid. it’s entirely greedy to demand too much, particularly nowadays the control of a train is largely automatic rather than manually.
Clearly an expert on how trains are driven 😂😂
In what way is is largely automatic? Also, it's nothing to with demands.
Your ignorance is on full display. Train drivers ate more elaborately trained than NASA astronauts. I bet you didn't even know that
Premier League Football players get that just for getting out of bed on match day if they play or not .
The train drivers will be one of the first groups to start complaining if the Delivery drivers went on strike demanding a 4 day week and a minimum wage of £65,000
Bus drivers dont get anywhere near the pay train drivers get.
They are on around 30-35 at best the idea delivery drivers would get that much is crazy the fact unions have got trains to 65 is farcical. Get a car and let them all go redundant that's the most selfish greedy thing from our supposedly 'socialist' unionised train drivers complete and total hypocrisy and the service provided is awful and only getting worse.
And why not .If delivery drivers go on strike for what ever I’d support them . The same as train drivers. It’s not all about the pay. It about conditions. Delivery drivers work under some of the worse conditions. Just like a lot of industries. But that doest mean the train drivers should accept the same conditions. Every industry should be unionised. Then we could all demand better pay and conditions . The argument. Why should they get so much but we don’t doesn’t wash. That’s the real working class politics of envy. . We could all say the same about MP’s . Do you know an MP who’s worth £85,000 plus expenses . They are the people you should be blaming not train drivers.
@@George57 go read Gulag Archipelago. Just read it.
@@George57 Delivery drivers are not under bad conditions.
Why the hell do we pay train drivers so well? Their job no more difficult than that of a long haul lorry driver. Let's save ourselves some money and install self driving trains onto the tracks. The technology is a lot simpler than that required for self driving cars. ( In fact if we can't get self driving trains to work throughout the network, then why the hell are we looking at self driving cars at all.) The fact that greedy train drivers are bringing the system to a standstill is all we should really need to explore other options.
Japanese train drivers make about £11K per year, and their service is impeccable.
Do you wish to pay more taxes to install the tech for automation, oh let’s look at HS2 that is small change compared to cost of automation
Equals about 125,000 Australian dollars a week. Bloody good wage considering all the weather down time and four-day weeks. AI will fix that in the future.
And that’s the wage of train drivers in Australia.
Train drivers embrace capitalism - a scarce resource is monopolised by a group that excludes competition and then drives up price. Adam Smith would be horrified but most modern industries would admire the tactics.
If the rail companies are watching, I will do it for £55,000.
No, I don't support train drivers in their so called dispute, until they accept modern working conditions. Weekends being optional and paid as overtime, is not supportable.
Weekends are not optional
Clearly you are clueless. The unions want to include weekends in the work week. It's the companies that keep them optional
@@theprivilegecheckers actually that’s not quite correct as each TOC has different conditions regarding employment hours and the inclusion of Sunday working, Saturdays are part of the working week. Although it might be an aspiration of the union for Sunday working included in the working week it is by a ballot of the effected TOC drivers who decide if the want Sundays in the working week or not. The reason some TOCS don’t want Sunday working as part of the working week is that it would require more staff to be employed. But for those TOCS who work Sundays outside the working week there is still a commitment to work a Sunday if required subject to cover, those in the know will understand the last part of the statement.
I'd happily do that job for less than half what they're asking for. It's such a cushy job as well. Millions of people work a lot harder for a lot less money.
If you think it's that cushy feel free to apply.
@Richard.Allsop Exactly! Feel free to apply at any time. We all know that applications are open for anyone to throw their hat into the ring whenever they like as it's a completely open shop. Not their fault if you just don't have what it takes to move a lever back and forth
@@theprivilegecheckers You really don't have a clue!
@Richard.Allsop A clue about what? How hard they work risking their lives to keep the country moving? Is that it. I support the unions 100%
I was due to meet a friend on monday whom i havnt seen for a good while. We had to cancel as the F ing trains were NOT where they shud have been so he cudnt get anywhere. They are selfish, arrogant and up their own arses. I work in hospitality i get min pay if i go on strike i get replaced SO I HAVE TO F ING MANAGE ON MY WAGE EVERY MONTH.
There just greedy bastards. That's it
Yes totally greedy & power hungry. As soon as automated trains run the better it will be for the passengers and taxpayers. 🤬👎🤨
I'm a taxi driver I've had a pay reduction over the last 5 years , people are queuing up to be train drivers police leaving the police force to be train drivers , if they don't like being train drivers why don't they get another job ? With over time working a few rest days you on 80k plus a year .... I can't go on strike as I'm self employed I just have to get on with it .... there on lot more than some airline pilots.....
Replace the drivers, docklands railway have been driverless for a long time.
TAs who work with and help children with disabilities, bad home lives and special educational needs are lucky to be on £12,000. Teachers on £30,000. Train drivers want more 🙄 just greed. Don’t they also get free travel?
Work or get sacked.
It's time to say to these lazy, greedy people ok, you want to strike and make life difficult for people, you will suffer. So, make it law that anyone striking when they have a pretty good deal or are making outrageous claims are denied public services. So the doctors, nurses, supermarkets etc. are not allowed to deal with the strikers.
Went to uni became a teacher (and still loving it 35 years later), never wanted to be out of the classroom and never came near to anything like train drivers wages even as HOD. Yes they are greedy (and wonder how they would cope with 'interesting' students).
£65k for sitting on my backside. Where do I apply?😮
If you think it's that easy give it a go!
It is that easy they are start stopping on a track and nothing more it's a very easy job you sound like,e a hardlycore person snobbing up there abillitys. Like pc dos experts moaning about windows or pilots and how amazing yhey are piloting a automated aircraft that lands and takes off 99% automatically we have chavs who have stolen police helicopters and piloted them easily after a few hours on a games console
@@audie-cashstack-uk4881 So the next time you drive to London know where every set of traffic lights is, know where every road sign is and what it displays, know where every bridge and turn off is then draw the whole route out in detail from memory. Then drive at 125mph in thick fog at night and be expected to stop at any of them exactly when it takes a mile and a half to come to a stand. you'll see just what a "very easy job" it is!
@@audie-cashstack-uk4881so easy that 85% of people fail the psychometric testing, let alone the intensive interviews and training. Also, is that claim about stolen helicopters serious?
Don’t tell me, “…it’s all about safety”. Yeah, the train drivers understanding that the public money is safer in their pockets. Greedy bastards.
All I can say is that all these idle greedy train drivers are in for a bloody big shock when they retire…
Why?
Not with the huge pension pots we have, we won't....
Carers cant afford to strike. Train drivers, plenty of money, let's cause a bit of aggro lads, strike.
ASK ABOUT THEIR PENSIONS DEWBS - they are huge!!! Also ask about the overtime!!!
A ten year old kid could drive a train. It's not like in the days of steam when you had to generate the power to propel the loco. A train driver shouldn't get more than 45 thousand tops.
£65k to drive forward and backwards, bet it’s much harder and stressful to drive a bus in London!
I’d let them keep on striking until their pay was comparable to nurses, no annual pay increases until they reach parity.
They are oversubscribed for train drivers and it’s low skilled compared to other public sector roles where a degree is required. Unions are in clown world
being a train driver is not a highly qualified job its the equivalent of being a bus driver but less hazardous, you only move forward and backwards on a fixed line no weaving in and out of traffic or avoiding pedestrians at rush hour, they are very overpaid and should be taking a massive reduction in pay not a pay rise. that does not include the free friends and family train journeys and the 4 day week.
I look at the difference between driving a train and driving a 40 ton articulated HGV. A train driver doesn't have to steer and he doesn't have to negotiate busy roads and avoid hitting other vehicles. A train driver doesn't have to reverse into tight spaces or comply with a plethora of road traffic regulations. Bearing this in mind, I wonder how the average remuneration for an HGV driver compares to that of a train driver.
Driverless electric trains will eventually be here , these train drivers should worry!
Jobs which have poor conditions are often hard to fill. Train drivers on the other hand are jobs which are really hard to get into because of the numbers of people that want the job. Which suggest its seen as " good job" despite what the unions keep saying 😮
Sack the lot of them, offer jobs back for lower pay. Oh I forgot we have weak government and weak management.
Not only £65 for a 4 day week, most of the times its 4-6 hours a day as well. Sounds like the doctors on £65-85 saying they can't afford lunch. Mick Lynch lost any kind of respect when he compared him and his members to the NHS during lockdown.
They qualify after a 12-month training course, then they spend their working lives staring out of the window in front of them.
How does that give them the fundamental human right to be as rich as the Kardashians?
Really clearly shows your expert knowledge of there working hours
What on earth are they eating? Wagyu steak carnivore diet?
£65 for a four day week doesn't sound very good to me, even if it's only 4-6 hours a day. 😁
4-6 hours a day, try 8 - 9 hours 30 minutes mate.
I think you need to get your facts right.
I'd like to see how well you're able to concentrate when you've started work at 04:00 and you're still out driving trains at 13:00.
A TEACHER EARNS £35K PER ANNUM A TRAIN DRIVER EARNING 65K MEANS SURELY A TEACHER SHOULD GET AT LEAST THE SAME?
60hrs a week for a good teacher. Obvs there are plenty of shit teachers not pulling their weight though.
teachers! Ha! wouldn't do a thing during convid even though there was no risk to them. Inset days every few weeks. Large amounts of holiday leave every year. Always moaning. the worst of the worst
@@glenm2825 My kids' school stayed open throughout and most of the kids who attended were kids of people who were working in a local hospital where COVID was (apparently) rife. The teachers recorded lessons for those kids who did not attend and uploaded them in the evenings. When you add up the hours unpaid work a teacher does the leave doesn't come close to it and that doesn't account for the time they spend in school during that 'leave'. How do I know? I've done it and left, partly because of it! Granted there are plenty of bad apples (activists rather than teachers) but as you have ably demonstrated, you find wankers in all walks of life.
I am a HCA for the nhs and work extremely hard. Would love to be paid my worth. What a joke for someone to be earning this amount of money.
Well said👏
Automate their jobs away. There is absolutely ZERO need for expensive train drivers in the modern day. Machines can do the job for a tiny fraction of the cost. Saving customers money, improving transport efficiency, and improving the national economy.
They are greedy shame on them
Yes they are too greedy, in my humble opinion
Ever seen a poor union leader?
The strikes are political, once Labour get in watch them agree a deal straight away. They are greedy, but they are more political
Same as the councils going bust its all a plot to bring down this government... Do not be shocked how low starmer will go to destroy your lives and this country just so he can get in power !!!!
Bollocks
Thats just nonsense. They haven't rejected the offer because its the Tories making the offer. They've rejected it because it was unacceptable. All the information on it is easily and readily available, if you'd care to learn
gready buggers
Anybody that back the strike are idiots?
Public fed up of train drivers
I'll drive a train for 40k, employ me!
Pure greed!
Greedy train drivers
On strike but make their money back up from overtime.
64k ,4 day week are you sure train drivers are not mp.s in a second job
The railways are a joke as they are striking when people need to get from a to b, fares are so high that it puts u off from travelling by train plus u cant get a seat
Theyve lost the public now, we’re all just fed up with them
Maybe it's time we start investing on driverless trains, might make them run on time. Then they can divert manpower to improving the tracks so we don't get delays everytime it freezes or gets too hot... 🤷♂
Greedy!
65k to do a job a child could do.
If you think it's that easy feel free to apply. Good luck with the aptitude tests!
Having worked as a Chartered Engineer for two of Europe's train manufacturers, producing train safety cases....train drivers are semi skilled. There is very little skill required driving a train and few qualifications are required.
Teachers train for years, maybe Glen has a chip on his shoulder as he could not be one? I am not a teacher I am an ex soldier and have great respect for teachers many who have a very very difficult job. Long holidays, yes but they certainly work very very hard for small wages, as do junior Doctors so maybe quit being doctors or teachers and drive a Train? Where would our Country be then? Complete 🤡🤡 those who think otherwise.
How can these drivers claim Sunday is not in their working week. They want their cake and eat it No deal for these greedy slackers
What about Tory MPs getting 87k for doing a part-time job ridiculously bad 👎
The greed of these people is unbelievable. We fly, we don’t take the train anymore. It’s expensive, slow and unreliable.
You fly to work every day😮
YESSSSSSSS
THEY
Are Totally GREEDY!!!!!!!!
automation, automation, automation
Why’s a train drive get payed more than a paramedic of fire fighter. People should get organised and car pull . Bing a new work force in on a different contract. Id drive train for 40k a year 5 days a week 😂😂😂😂 they could fill these jobs fast
The whole transport system in this country is a total disgrace. The trains are the worst in Europe yet some of the best paid. They always want more money but want to give Nothing in return
Remdmber which side they are on when you vote…..simple !
65 grand 4 day week ,that better than over paid dossiers, MPS
A vote to strike is a vote to reduce staffing levels
Yes
I agree with Alex. I’ve never supported the train strikes. So greedy.
Ban them
I do not support train drivers. They are paid well and the train service is uncompetitive bordering useless. Can't ask without delivering.
Question: Are politicians greedy ? Question: How much money will Richy make out of British taxpayers' money over the next ten years ? Question if Richy leaves the political arena, will he be allowed to spend money on contracts his wife has a connection with (genuine question) while Richy was chancellor and then the unelected prime minister?
If it's that easy then why don't the people complaining volunteer to go do it for less
I haven't travelled by train for over ten years. Can anyone explain, why I as a taxpayers should be subsidising those who do travel by train.? Personally, I believe that zero government money in any form should go to the railways. If that means they all close, then so be it.
Automate the trains. The DLR works just fine. Its only the unions preventing this. And then they turn round and ask for more money for a job that no one needs anymore.
These clowns are why rail should never be renationalised. Why should people who never use the rail network have their earnings stolen to fund their demands or underwrite the losses their actions create? If the operator fold then all the staff should lose their jobs, if they want to work for the next operator it will be on reduced terms or the dole. Their militant actions should have consequences and that consequences should be that the operator fails and goes under like any other private business. People who don’t use services should never be taxed more to pay for pay rises or underwrite losses. If the operator wants to cave to their demands, it should also fund it via price rises which people can either choose to pay or not. If they walk away and the operator goes under, tough.
The government will not turn the country against the drivers unless they can explain why supply and demand isn't working so why are we short of drivers if they are so well paid?MPs are useless but get far more plus more in expenses than salary in many cases.
65k is all well and good but that’s not actually what’s on offer 🤷🏻♂️
Surely with all the automatic protection devices on the railway, we could manage without drivers.... Or at least, start running trails with a view to achieving this.
Oh dear let’s see, a privatised industry owned by foreign companies and share holders before gov took back control to pay those same former owners to run the trains. We have a Victorian railway with many Victorian infrastructure still in use, just look at HS2 and the rising costs. Would you be happy to pay extra taxes to pay for automated trains on a national level, the level of investment would make HS2 look cheep
Nope , the UK cannot do basics such as toilet roll dispensers properly.
Pilots fly aircraft with 300 passengers. Tube drivers drive trains with 1,000 passengers so they deserve 3 times the salary of pilots.
How close are we to no driver ekectric trajns?
£65k per annum........that's £30k above the UK median wage. For driving a train. Let that sink in for a while. Astonishing. Get back to work or train (no pun intended) others that are happy to do it for that wage.
I agree and support the French farmer, but to compare them to the train drivers is ridiculous! £65 is more than enough, end of
The sooner train drivers are replaced by AI the better. Then the public can’t be black mailed
They get 34k after income tax before national insurance pensions contributions student loans if it's there,council tax and the rest.
People are taxed to highly
Just Get off the trains.
If the absence of trains means no one gets to 'work', then, Surprise, Surprise, HOW IMPORTANT THE RAIL NETWORK IS!!! And the dispute is not all about the Train Drivers, examine their needs of the whole network which is fragmented in terms of ownership!