November 13 - Lady Jane Grey is tried for treason

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 10 гру 2024

КОМЕНТАРІ • 124

  • @InkyM4
    @InkyM4 5 років тому +20

    I hate how this story ends, but I love learning how badass Jane was. It takes incredible strength of character to exhibit such resolution and courage. While it's understandable that history has seen her as a helpless victim, I'm glad we can remember her as the vibrant person she really was.

  • @freddiehansen7324
    @freddiehansen7324 5 років тому +8

    I love that you call her Queen Jane, because she was Queen, even for a brief time. I wish her reign had been longer, she seemed like a really interesting young woman. But, I think it was understandable for Mary to execute her, just like Elizabeth I had Mary Queen of Scots executed. I think neither Mary nor Elizabeth wanted to have them killed, but there wasn't really any "better" options presented. I believe Elizabeth hoped it wouldn't come to an execution, and she did "stall" for 19 years. Thank you for your daily dose of Tudor Times!

  • @Lyndell-P
    @Lyndell-P 4 роки тому +1

    🇭🇲🦘 (viewed 12/11/2020) Thank you Claire for your account of Lady Jane Grey's trial and her reaction when guilty given. I have read some other
    ... comments given and some of your 'reply' explanations too - with great interest. As you said she was named by the late King Edward as his heir, so I can't really see how she was guilty of treason against the realm. She took it very bravely indeed. Very sad.
    "Thank you" Claire for explaining it all so well! 💓👑👍

  • @joansmith3296
    @joansmith3296 5 років тому +15

    I always thought Jane got a raw deal. She was sort of picked by Edward by default because he didn't want his sister Mary on the throne. nd the ambitious families who let their daughters become victims to the whims of the ruling families in order to satisfy their lust for greed and power! Really sad. Thanks Claire.

    • @renshiwu305
      @renshiwu305 5 років тому +4

      He didn't want *women* on the throne, Catholic or no. His "devise" for the succession originally intended the crown to go to the first boy born to the Grey women - either matriarch Frances Grey (née Brandon) or any of her three daughters. All three daughters were married at the same time to produce potential heirs. Edward's life ran out too soon, so they shoehorned verbiage into the devise that allowed Jane Grey to inherit the throne in her own right. Potential male heirs weren't born until sometime later. Eleanor Brandon, Frances' sister, had two boys, but not until the start of Elizabeth I's reign. Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley, was alive at this time, but he was a child and his mother was a Catholic. Barring the Margaret Tudor line of progeny, there wasn't much to work with. The son of the 3rd Duke of Buckingham, maybe? Although, the 3rd Duke of Buckingham was executed for treason and subsequently attainted. Sons of traitors are not generally permitted to inherit titles.

  • @celia-ov6rm
    @celia-ov6rm 5 років тому +3

    Please continue this series in 2020... I am sure many more (usually bad) things happened in Tudor history.... :) Hugs from Portugal!

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +1

      Hugs to you from nearby Spain! I will try my very best! Thank you.

  • @katg9507
    @katg9507 5 років тому +13

    I've always liked Lady Jane.

  • @geowynleda4641
    @geowynleda4641 5 років тому +15

    Jane knew she had no chance of survival, her death was a foregone conclusion.

    • @terencebennison6275
      @terencebennison6275 5 років тому +3

      Of course she did. And who put her in that position? Greedy, self serving parents, that poor girl was a sacrificial lamb, served up on the altar of history. Claire mentioned that modern day historians take a different view of Jane's father and mother. However I have to say that no historian could convince me that it was what Jane wanted, it was nothing more than her parents gaining wealth and the highest position at court.

    • @geowynleda4641
      @geowynleda4641 5 років тому +2

      @@terencebennison6275 I agree with all you say, wicked people.

  • @peachymeechie1844
    @peachymeechie1844 5 років тому +5

    She only ruled for 9 days, well 13 but still...for being so young, and pushed into the situation, she accepted her fate with such grace and without wavering in her faith. I just wish Queen Mary could have seen things the way we do nowadays, but hindsight is 20/20.. plus I don't think she truly knew what to do with Queen Jane, and the fact that she was her cousin, and that she knew she didn't want the crown but accepted reluctantly after being prodded into it. She even said the crown was the Lady Mary's and that it pleased her not to be a queen. But eventually Mary's hand was pushed because the people who Jane trusted most just kept messing up and trying to rebel. Had it not been for Jane being a figure head for the Protestants I don't think she would've been executed, maybe just a lengthy stay in the tower. But what's done is done, and even after all these years we still ask why, and what if... I just wish we truly knew what Queen Jane and Queen Mary thought about during this time. So very intriguing are both of their stories! May all of the people from this terrible time rest in peace!!

  • @annafeltenberger6328
    @annafeltenberger6328 5 років тому

    I am greatly enjoying your site. Thank you for posting

  • @cindyspence7237
    @cindyspence7237 5 років тому +2

    I always felt so sorry for Jane. As a young girl she was given no choice in the role she played.
    Thank you for these videos. I always enjoy them and I smile when the bells ring!

  • @mikki3961
    @mikki3961 5 років тому +33

    Claire thank you for this. Jane a reluctant Queen propped up by greedy, grasping relatives and she paid the ultimate price. This child was used and abused, makes me quite angry as I am sure you can tell.

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +15

      Well, I think we should blamed Edward, really, as it was him that chose her as his successor. He loved his half-sisters but he believed their illegitimacy meant that they were not legal claimants. Jane had full Tudor blood. He chose her mother first, so if they had been a grasping family then they would have persuaded him to keep Frances as his successor, I would think. Frances, however, was very unlikely to have any more children, so when it was clear that Edward was dying, he chose Jane, which made sense as she was recently married and young, plus staunchly Protestant.

    • @Cissy2cute
      @Cissy2cute 5 років тому

      @@anneboleynfiles Thank you, Claire. I have never quite looked at it that way but it does make sense, at least for Protestants.

    • @haileyirene4713
      @haileyirene4713 5 років тому

      The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society I think they should have put Frances on the throne. It would have given time for Guildford and Jane to have heir and it’s obvious that Frances would have no other children, so Jane would end up on the throne. If their plan were to succeed, they would have heirs and more love from the people with a possible son for England , but if it went the way it did, frances would have gotten punishment, not Northumberland and his sons and Jane, and she may have gotten a lesser punishment as she was Mary i’s cousin. I think Northumberland was thinking for his now, not the future.

    • @Cissy2cute
      @Cissy2cute 5 років тому +3

      Trouble is you can't judge in a modern context what people did back then . Offspring were looked upon as a means to advance the family's fortune and stature in court. They were treated like little adults. It would not have been considered abuse back in the day.

    • @patriciahayes7315
      @patriciahayes7315 4 роки тому

      @@anneboleynfiles I thank you for this video, Claire, as Lady Jane Grey has been a passion of mine for nearly 50 years. :)

  • @darcidecaesaria9071
    @darcidecaesaria9071 5 років тому +6

    I must say..thanks to Claire I may have an MBA in arts n science..as a Tudor history Maj!!! lol.. seriously though..thanks a million ,Mrs Ridgway... for this intelligent and very accurate account of our ancestors.

  • @rebeccamay6735
    @rebeccamay6735 5 років тому +5

    What an incredible young woman. May she rest in peace.

  • @cherylreed7523
    @cherylreed7523 5 років тому +2

    What a remarkable & courageous young woman Queen Jane was....thank you Claire for such marvellous detail as always 😁

  • @fifiladouche
    @fifiladouche 5 років тому +3

    Lady Jane Grey is my 22nd Great Aunt

  • @darcidecaesaria9071
    @darcidecaesaria9071 5 років тому +2

    Yesssss!¡!!!I've totally been looking forward to this one... something about her is very intriguing...also and especially her daughter.

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +4

      Her daughter? Who do you mean? Jane didn't have any children.

    • @darcidecaesaria9071
      @darcidecaesaria9071 5 років тому +1

      I do apologize..I'm getting mixed up...I was thinking about Isabella and Margaret..lol I'm so intrigued by all of these women...but I get quite confused.

  • @Cissy2cute
    @Cissy2cute 5 років тому +3

    From all accounts, Jane was extremely intelligent, well-educated and very mature for her age. I often wonder if she might have turned out like Elizabeth if she had been given the chance. Then again, Jane seemed to be a really serious young lady with little emotion. Elizabeth had quite the personality. Another of history's "what ifs".

  • @innomasa3106
    @innomasa3106 5 років тому

    Right when I'm doing a jigsaw puzzle of Delaroche's painting! Poor, poor Lady.

  • @cathysullivan5628
    @cathysullivan5628 5 років тому +2

    Thank you Clare! I cannot believe the year is almost done!!!!! I am starting to twitch thinking no more daily Tudor fix next year!! Please tell me i missed the video confirming next years daily stories!!! What will it be???

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +3

      The year really is flying! I'm going to try and carry on with more "on this day" events as there are plenty of them!

    • @MorrigansRaven3944
      @MorrigansRaven3944 5 років тому

      @@anneboleynfiles Yesssss! Lol 😀

    • @MorrigansRaven3944
      @MorrigansRaven3944 5 років тому

      Yes please!

  • @kellyel8646
    @kellyel8646 5 років тому +5

    Quite a tough broad! Seriously though - many kudos to her.

  • @darlenefarmer5921
    @darlenefarmer5921 5 років тому +1

    Thank you.

  • @Calla-sl8gd
    @Calla-sl8gd 5 років тому +4

    Hi Claire! Thank you for the video ~~ I appreciate them more than I can say. Jane and Guildford Dudley are a tough subject for me; they were so young and badly used. I suppose I will always wonder if they knew what was really happening and just how far they could fall. Out of curiosity, do you know if Jane and Guildford were able to see each other before their executions? Thanks again!

    • @Turefu2
      @Turefu2 5 років тому +1

      I read somewhere Guildford requested to spend night before execution with Jane and had his wish granted, but Jane refused, as that would unsettled them in preparations to death.

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +2

      They were young but Jane believed that the crown was God's plan for her and she showed promise as queen, a tough cookie! Theirs is a sad story. Guildford did want to see Jane, bt as Turefu2 pointed out, Jane thought that it would be too unsettling and upsetting.

  • @sarahhunter1114
    @sarahhunter1114 5 років тому +1

    Nicola Tallis’ book on Lady Jane called Crown of Blood is really good too. She pulls from lots of contemporary resources and weeds out the unreliable bits.

    • @robinthomson4431
      @robinthomson4431 5 років тому

      I've only been able to read fiction about her. Is this an accurate non-fiction?

  • @TheAjjupiter
    @TheAjjupiter 5 років тому +3

    How tragic Lady Jane's story.

  • @janyceimoto8750
    @janyceimoto8750 5 років тому +8

    I am so sad for Lady Jane Grey & her husband Guilford Dudley. I can’t imagine how they must have felt. Certainly dutiful and yet used as pawns for someone else’s ideals.

    • @ladyagnes7781
      @ladyagnes7781 5 років тому +4

      Jean and her husband were teenagers who were used by their powerful fathers. Her cousin Edward set her up for problems and the two fathers jumped on the situation to become more powerful themselves.
      It is a shame what happened to them because of someone else's power grab. Jane was even permitted to live ( like Lambert Simnel in the reign of Henry VII), but her father's additional attempt to grab the crown and put her on this room pretty much sealed her fate. At that point the treason couldn't be overlooked and Mary really didn't have any choice.

  • @christinacharland1525
    @christinacharland1525 5 років тому +6

    Jane's bloodline is what i find the most interesting. Such a sad ending for her when she had no choice in the matter. Being a woman back then was just awful.

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +4

      I so admire her faith and courage, incredible for her age and the situation.

    • @christinacharland1525
      @christinacharland1525 5 років тому +2

      @@anneboleynfiles right there are so few people who are unshakable in their faith, such an incredible young lady.

  • @wendychavez5348
    @wendychavez5348 5 років тому +2

    No bells OR critters today--they're all way too depressed over the treatment of Lady Jane Grey. The child never asked for the crown or for the loss of hers; a good child, she was following guidance from people who she considered to be in charge, and lacked the power to protect herself when she was the one in charge. This breaks my heart, though I accept that it's what had to happen or the world would be much different than it is today. Better? Perhaps.

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +4

      She didn't choose the crown but when she was informed that Edward had named her as his successor, she believed that it was God's plan for her and she fought for it until the very last moment.

  • @monicacall7532
    @monicacall7532 5 років тому +2

    Poor Jane! Her parents were abusive-until Edward VI made his will naming her as his heir to the throne. Then, of course, they and her father-in-law were happy to use her for their own purposes. How sad! I’ve always wondered if Mary couldn’t just have spared her cousin’s life and banished her from England for her lifetime instead. Jane wasn’t popular in England. Maybe that would have been impossible. All of the executions seem awfully excessive.

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +1

      The idea that Jane was abused has been challenged by modern historians. I think if anyone is to blame for the situation, it's Edward. He was nobody's pawn and he chose Jane, after realising that Frances was unlikely to have a male heir. He was a strong young man who knew his mind.

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому

      www.theanneboleynfiles.com/the-maligned-frances-grey-guest-post-by-susan-higginbotham/

  • @Turefu2
    @Turefu2 5 років тому +4

    I think is often forgotten , how strong minded and fierce protestant Jane was. Should she managed to keep hold on to the throne, she would be very strong Protestant ruler and Catholics would be repressed, I have no doubts about it. Mary is known for burning Protestants, Jane would be known for burning Catholics.

    • @mariaperrymohan2076
      @mariaperrymohan2076 5 років тому +1

      We can't know that for sure. I hope Queen Jane would have been compassionate.

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +2

      She was a very strong young woman and very pious too. It's impossible to know what her policies would have been, perhaps her reign would have been similar to that of Edward.

  • @Turefu2
    @Turefu2 5 років тому +3

    I wonder, if Jane and Guilford survived, would their children inherit crown eventually? Mary and Elizabeth were childless and Jane was young, health and married , she could have many children.

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +3

      If Jane had stayed as queen then yes, her children would have been heirs to the throne.

    • @Turefu2
      @Turefu2 5 років тому

      @@anneboleynfiles But if she hadn't? Just stayed alive with her husband Guildford, as Lady Jane Dudley? Would young Dudleys were in line to the throne?

  • @justanothergoogler6436
    @justanothergoogler6436 5 років тому +2

    Poor Jane.

  • @donnaterry486
    @donnaterry486 4 роки тому +1

    Hi, i love your channel but the music at the beginning is awfully scary. I don't turn the sound up until i see you talking.

  • @annjohnson6193
    @annjohnson6193 5 років тому

    So sad.

  • @aimee2234
    @aimee2234 5 років тому +3

    I've always wondered if Jane ever wanted to be queen. She was so young. Is there any written word on that? Thank you, Claire!! xo

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +6

      She was upset at first to be picked but when it was explained to her that Edward had chosen her, she accepted it as God's will for her.

    • @aimee2234
      @aimee2234 5 років тому

      @@anneboleynfiles Thank you!

  • @blondthought5175
    @blondthought5175 5 років тому

    The positioning of the axe must have been quite comforting. Or not.

  • @gidzmobug2323
    @gidzmobug2323 5 років тому +1

    Did the Duchess' of Suffolk face any repercussions over what happened?

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +2

      No, she doesn't seem to have and she was even able to secure a pardon for her husband until he was involved in Wyatt's Rebellion.

    • @gidzmobug2323
      @gidzmobug2323 5 років тому

      @@anneboleynfiles For which he was executed. Did she not try to secure pardons for any of the others?

  • @daughteroftime8047
    @daughteroftime8047 5 років тому +2

    I feel like Mary would have ordered Archbishop Cranmer's execution no matter what due to his part in her parents divorce. His death was pretty much a foregone conclusion once she took the throne. It's no wonder that he supported Lady Jane. (Among many other wonderful reasons, I'm sure)

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +2

      Oh yes, despite his many recantations she ordered his execution.

  • @annafeltenberger6328
    @annafeltenberger6328 5 років тому

    Hello, Teasell

  • @brianfinnegan664
    @brianfinnegan664 5 років тому +1

    All hail Lady Jane, Queen of the Andals and the Rhyonner and the first men, Queen of the seven kingdoms and protector of the realm.....

  • @seto749
    @seto749 5 років тому +1

    I salute Queen Jane's talent and passion for learning, though I suspect that she's sympathetic in comparison to her peers largely because she didn't live long enough to become otherwise. Staunch religious beliefs are so much easier to admire in martyrs or victims than in rulers.
    I'm almost inclined to blame Henry; all the changes in the status of his daughters seem so strongly to have set Edward's table, as it were.

  • @maryh4650
    @maryh4650 5 років тому

    Sad

  • @chiaroscuroamore
    @chiaroscuroamore 5 років тому +1

    Jane was stronger than I would have been in that position!
    It’s a pity Wyatt’s Rebellion happened & Jane’s father was involved & Mary I ended up executing Jane. I wonder how things would have played out if the rebellion never took place.
    Thank you again for another awesome video on Tudor History! I can’t wait to see what tomorrow brings!
    And I’m loving the new microphone and the sound quality!!🎙

    • @InkyM4
      @InkyM4 5 років тому +1

      I wonder what would have happened to the succession if Jane had survived Mary. Which device would have worked out? Would the Grey party have accepted Elizabeth if they still had their own candidate to put forward?

    • @marionarnott750
      @marionarnott750 5 років тому +4

      Mary sparedJane and then this rebellion happened. Had Jane not been executed at this time, i think it would have happened sooner or later. She would have been a magnet for the disaffected whether she conspired or not. Just like Queen Elizabeth's dilemma over Mary, Queen of Scots. Execution had to happen for the peace of the realm. It must have been hard for Mary to execute so young a relative but reality is reality - Jane was always going to be a threat to Mary.

    • @reneenayfabnaynay5679
      @reneenayfabnaynay5679 5 років тому +1

      @@marionarnott750 yeah but, Mary I only ruled four about four years. If MaryI had just delayed a little, Jane may have been pardoned by Elizabeth I. Since both, Elizabeth & Jane were of the same faith, I doubt that Jane would have been a threat to Elizabeth.

    • @chiaroscuroamore
      @chiaroscuroamore 5 років тому +1

      Marion Arnott
      You have good points!
      A threat is a threat and people would have always flocked to Jane if they weren’t happy with Mary (or Elizabeth)

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому

      Mary was under pressure from Spain to deal with Jane so it's hard to know.

  • @marymoriarity2555
    @marymoriarity2555 5 років тому +1

    I’m a bit vague as to why Jane was executed. Was she the one mentioned as heir by Edward VI? I get these queens confused. The poor lady didn’t deserve her fate. Mary was a murdered like her father.

    • @corelei
      @corelei 5 років тому +1

      yes that's the one

  • @michellemybellex
    @michellemybellex 5 років тому +7

    Finally my bday!

  • @kimc7699
    @kimc7699 5 років тому +4

    Hey Claire! What are your plans for 2020??!!

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +1

      With this UA-cam channel or my projects in general? I'm going to carry on with "on this day" videos as there are plenty more events to share.

    • @brianfinnegan664
      @brianfinnegan664 5 років тому +1

      @@anneboleynfiles on this day in plantagenet history.....

  • @marcusashley3428
    @marcusashley3428 4 роки тому

    She had a good head on her shoulders Haha

  • @Story-Voracious66
    @Story-Voracious66 5 років тому +1

    Hale Queen Jane of England. The nine day Queen.
    It seems that the English throne at this time was nested amid a pit of vipers.
    Woe betide any poor woman who dare step into that cockpit.
    Mary and Elizabeth surely were tough cookies!
    🏵️🏵️🏵️

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +3

      Jane, Mary and Elizabeth were all tough cookies, all prepared to fight tooth and nail for what they believed was right.

  • @sobeidalagrange7129
    @sobeidalagrange7129 4 роки тому

    I feel so bad for Queen Jane, or Lady Jane.😭😱😎💕💞👋 Such an amazing young woman!!!
    There were very good reasons as to why the young king chose her... Nevertheless, it was doomed to fail from the beginning, imo.

  • @dukadarodear2176
    @dukadarodear2176 5 років тому +1

    Was LJG spared the fire?

  • @terencebennison6275
    @terencebennison6275 5 років тому +3

    Claire please forgive the language of this post but lady Jane's mother was an absolute cow.

    • @Turefu2
      @Turefu2 5 років тому

      She wasn't Mother of the Year, but it always surprises me , how often Jane's father involvement in his daughter's fall is ignored. Why on earth he went into Wyatt's rebellion? He knew how strong support Mary had and if they loose, Jane will die.

    • @terencebennison6275
      @terencebennison6275 5 років тому +3

      @@Turefu2 I know what you mean turefu, but my dislike of Jane's mother comes from how jane was treated as a child growing up. By all accounts Jane was ill treated (as was her sister ) primarily by their mother, brutally so at times, in fact Bess of Hardwick seemed to be their only grown up friend. And you are right , fate intervened, as it did for so many young people, who by birth were too close to the throne.

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому +4

      Modern day historians challenge the idea that Jane was abused by her mother. Frances has been very much maligned through history, especially in the Victorian era. See www.theanneboleynfiles.com/the-maligned-frances-grey-guest-post-by-susan-higginbotham/

  • @sharoncole8249
    @sharoncole8249 5 років тому

    💖👑👑💖xx

  • @loriboufford6342
    @loriboufford6342 5 років тому

    It seems to me that, perhaps, Britains are stingy with "thumbs UP"....(?)

  • @almontepaolilli4909
    @almontepaolilli4909 5 років тому +1

    Thankfully, others beside Lady Jane were killed as well. What an interesting Era in time. The only people not unhappy were the executioners.

    • @anneboleynfiles
      @anneboleynfiles  5 років тому

      Thankfully?
      Yes, as a result of the events of July 1553, Jane, her husband Guildford, her father Henry Grey and her father-in-law, Henry Grey, were all executed.

  • @jmarie9997
    @jmarie9997 4 роки тому

    I wonder if Jane (or Edward) would have become as fanatical in the Protestant cause as Mary Tudor was in the Catholic one.

  • @marymoriarity2555
    @marymoriarity2555 5 років тому

    Thank you for the daily Tudor tidbits. Although this is about the royal scuttlebutts what was occurring for the common man whilst these si called nobles were doing their best to destroy the country