This series ranks as one of the best, From clean to prep to run to test. Thanks to you, we know how to Speedmatch, Can’t wait to see this comment on Dispatch!
This is one of the many reasons i love the railpro system. Automatic speed matched and each loco in the train talks to one another. Honestly to me the best dcc system ever made
Roy, thanks for an awesome video, I understand speed matching a lot more and how to do it. Glad that worked out and hope the others go as easily as the first. Thanks for sharing. Ken
Hi Roy, a wonderful series on Speed Matching. I will keep them in reserve when I in trembling hands do the speed matching scenario. Always fun to see the "run bys" in Echo Canyon -- your masterpiece. I really appreciate what you are doing for the model railroading hobby. Thanks! - Dean from Minnesota
Roy, I enjoyed the series and glad to know many of the things I do for speed matching line-up closely to what you demonstrated on your videos. Thanks again for putting this together! -Tony
Great video Roy. This series comes at a perfect time for me as I have a few locomotives I need to run together but I didn't know how to speed match them. Thanks for sharing. Dave
Hi Roy, may I say you have a wonderful layout! I really enjoy your videos. We just bought our first two diesel Kato UP locomotives and some unit rack, with some used rolling stock, to get started in N scale. We are looking forward to ope ing the set together as a family on Christmas. Take care!
Nice, Roy! You make speed matching easy peasy which makes a difference when doing something that has to be done but is not so fun. Thanks! Always a treat watching your videos. Can't wait to see what the next project is! Cheers, Roy! John
Thanks, John. I appreciate your comment. Speed matching is no fun. I just wish manufacturers would wise up and make it automatic or at least easier to do than it is. ...Roy
Thanks, Jeffry. I just wish speed matching was unnecessary or at least easier to do. Hopefully, manufacturers will wise up and offer us a better way to do this. ...Roy
Roy, that was another nice video on the steps you took to speed match and while anything takes time to do right, you made it look good, thanks. I think (GE) good enough for matching a pair of loco/s that stay together and once loaded down with cars will run perfect.
Hi Roy, Just a suggestion... you should buy a locomotive (different road name), set that to exactly how you want it, then match all your UP engines to it. That way you will be able to run your UP engines in any consist. Then put the other engine away and only use it when you are going to speed match. Dan
Thanks, Dan. I appreciate your comment. You are right: having a designated "master" locomotive and using it to speed match every other locomotive in the fleet is a good idea. I may end up doing just that eventually. It would be most useful, especially when adding a third locomotive to the lead consist or as a mid- or end-of-train DPU. ...Roy
Roy, Just how quick and easy was that? A nice place to start for those who are thinking about speed matching their own loco's. When you start to speed match the rest of the fleet is it possible to start with those speed values that you already have or do you have to start fresh with every set? Anyway, well done, Cheers, Chris Perry.
Hi Roy, simple is good. Just changing the slower, brilliant. Close enough is good enough, I agree. Seems to work, great job. See ya Tuesday, for Dispatch.
i have a couple easy questions. Do you need to speed match in the reverse direction also? Why did you decide to speed match to the speed of the faster loco? Why not the use slower locomotive as your reference speed? Do you only match specific pairs of locos, or do you match all your locomotives to each other? Love, love, love the realism of the locomotive pairs rolling through the town and canyon. The action shots on your layout are beautiful.
Roy, this was an easier approach than I have seen others go through. I hope this method stands the test of time. I hope you'll share if down the road you find that the three speeds you've matched isn't fine enough for your entire fleet to work together.
Thanks, Tom. I will certainly keep you posted. I have noticed in the past that decoders sometimes seem to lose their speed match settings following a short on the layout. Then I have to re-set them. There has to be a better way. ...Roy
Hi Roy, is there a reason you are using JMRI to do the speedmatching, as opposed to adjusting the cv's in your dcc system? thanks, love this channel, (a UK modeller, who loves US trains).
No, my friend, you can use either method with equal results. I’ve done it both ways. I find using JMRI to be slightly easier and quicker, but as in most things in model railroading, the method you use is a matter of personal preference. Good luck with it, whichever method you use. ...Roy
Great video. I will be doing some speed matching soon. Did you have to stop the locomotives when you changed the voltage or did it adjust without stopping?
Thanks, my friend. No, it’s best not to stop the locomotives. Just set the speed steps on your throttle at Min- then Max- and finally Mid- velocities and let the locomotives run continuously as you adjust the voltage settings in JMRI. ...Roy
Hello Roy. I too model in "N" scale, and I am a recent addition to those who follow your channel and have been watching the whole series from the beginning. I am currently up to the video entitled "How to speedmatch your locomotives" dated Sep 21, 2019. You certainly have a beautiful layout, and I have learned a great deal about the construction of mountain scenery thanks to you. As an aside, I am also very fond of guitar music and greatly enjoyed the background music you used at the end of this video. Could you tell me the name of the artist? Best Regards. Ken May Oxford, Ga. By the way, did you know that there is a very nice railroad museum in Savannah, Ga. It is similar to Steamtown in Pa.
Thanks so much for your very nice comment, my friend. I'm glad you found my channel and subscribed. The music that I normally use at the end of my layout videos is called "Tonto." It comes from the UA-cam Audio Library. If I get to Georgia, I would like to stop by the railroad museum in Savannah. ...Roy
Very nice. Kind of the same question as others but the middle speed. It seems the faster was too fast at middle speed so why not adjust that down? Or was it just easier to concentrate on on Locomotive?
Steve, that's an important question. Let me try to respond to it in Tuesday night's episode of Dispatch, so that everyone might benefit from it. ...Roy
I assume that matched pairs will drift apart over time and that matching all engines to a single reference will have all engines drifting apart randomly. This would be due to different rates of wear or build up of dirt on wheels, different rates of wear in motor bushes, lead engine working harder to overcome air resistance, etc. Are these all very small factors that combine to become significant or do they remain insignificant?
Thanks, Jack. It's a pleasure to share the process of speed matching, even though actually doing it is neither easy nor fun. There has to be a better way. ...Roy
Great video Roy. Good way to speed match too and a very informative how to do video as well. It's my least favourite job but it has to be done. I use a loadable speed table as Atlas locos donot speed match well as to much variation with the motors. And it allows me to you use cv 65 and 95 forward and reverse trim. Otherwise my atlas would all run as single locomotives.
Great video / tutorial. Thank you so much for simplifying the process. I know you said you didn't want this to be about JMRI, but I noticed that you seem to be able to jump between programming the CVs and then running the locos. I am running Decoder Pro 4.6-R81496DC and have been reluctant to upgrade (Ain't broke = don't fix it). I have to restart my Decoder Pro each time, switching command back & forth between program mode with PR3 and then changing the Zephyr Xtra. It didn't seem as thought you were having to do that. Or, is it as simple that you use "Programming on the main" that I once was told was dangerous? What release do you run? You can always just say I should defer this to the JMRI community & I'll understand. Thx again for all the info you share.
Programming on the main is fine, the only time you shouldn't use it is when you hardwire in a new decoder. The reason being that the programming track dosen't provide as much power as the main and so you are less likely to fry your new decoder if you've somehow wired it up incorrectly, but apart from that it's fine to program on the main as long as you don't have any stock with the same DCC address... As far as JMRI goes, if you upgrade it to the latest stable version, you'll probably find that you won't have to keep restarting it as most of the updated versions are to iron out the bugs as opposed to adding new features if it's on the same first number version...
So you change the settings while on the program track, and then move to the circle to test? Do you have to select the loco over and over again on JMRI? Or can you leave it on the screen and just put the loco back on the program track?
There's no need to switch the locos back and forth between the circle and the programming track. Keep the locos on the circle, make the CV 2, 6, and 5 adjustments in JMRI with the locos on the circle with the throttle set to "programming on the main." ...Roy
Hey Roy just wanted to pass on Another Great Video I did see when your 5475 was going through the Turnout it was losing power and @ one point it looked like it was dragging 5330 but video play back can make it Hard to tell I know when some of my KATO'S my D.C.Engines go across the KATO Turnouts they Tend to Loose for a fraction of second power or the Lights flick and that's after cleaning the Turnouts, Cleaning the Wheels on my Engines and cleaning the Track I'm kind of wondering if A person would Direct wire there Trucks to the Frame of the Engine you have less cutting out.. Another thing I did on my SD70ACE's & my SD70AH Spirit I pulled the Trucks made sure they where Free of Foreign Material's then I Lubed the Dog Bone lightly going into the Truck Tower and into the Counter Balancer's with Labells 106 white Grease I lubed with 108 on the Motor Shafts) Using the white Grease I've seen less ( JITTERING ) from my Engines I believe it puts a slight bit of Resistance on the Engine's Drivetrain my 70ACes Always seemed to jitter And Now they Run smoother than my other Engines Roy you might try that on One or 2 of Aces see if see any Difference.. I also Done this Lube on my SD40-2 and that Engine Runs like it on carpet of Air but I think I need to Replace its light Board because it still has a light blinking issue especially at Low Speeds..
You're right, Allen. There was a momentary loss of power on the turnout. I think this may be because I have connected a lot of the drop feeders on my layout just yet. Thanks for your suggestion as a way to solve this problem. ...Roy
For me I will want to run the trains according to the prototypical max speeds of them. So some may rum 60MPH, others 100MPH and so on. In the end I want to make consists randomly. Then running them not in speed steps but setting the speeds in MPH. I assume this should be possible and according to those who designed the DCC CV stuff and firmware on decoders.
A little different method than I've seen before. But this one is successful for you and you've not been successful with methods others have used. So my conclusion is, differing methods work for different people. The key is to keep experimenting until you find success. Now Roy, when are you going to run two locos on the lead and and a DPU on the rear? (The devil made me say ask.)
Thanks, Jerry. That's a good question about speed matching DPU's. Let me try to respond to it in this coming Tuesday night's edition of Dispatch, so that everyone might benefit from it. ...Roy
Roy I'm gonna tell you I'm still having a lot of trouble understanding JRMI but also I have not gotten to any point of even trying it. In time I hope to get there
I hear you, Chris. JMRI is difficult to understand, and it only starts to become useful after a long learning curve. I've only started to learn how to use it ;myself for a few simple things. Frankly, it shouldn't be so complicated and difficult to use, but it is. ...Roy
I hear you, Marten. Sometimes we have to change our procedures, especially when the voltage is already on minimum or on maximum for locomotives right out of the box. I think the secret is picking one or the other, and not trying to adjust both locomotives in the consist, as I used to try to do. ...Roy
If manufacturers were a little smarter, we wouldn't have to do this. And its MUCH WORSE for us non-DCC runners. The biggest issue is the inability to back-drive mechanisms due to high gear ratios and worm gears. I have one steam engine with an overrunning clutch, which runs well with anything from Athearn Hustlers on down.
You are so right, my friend: We wouldn't - and shouldn't - have to do this, if manufacturers were a little smarter. There has to be a easy, or even automatic, way to speed match. ...Roy
It's not so much the manufacturers fault as it is that electrical motors and mechanical components, even when manufactured at the same time on the same production line, will each have slight differences which cause them to run at different speeds. Most of the time similar units are are close, but not exact.
i have a couple easy questions. Do you need to speed match in the reverse direction also? Why did you decide to speed match to the speed of the faster loco? Why not the use slower locomotive as your reference speed? Do you only match specific pairs of locos, or do you match all your locomotives to each other? Love, love, love the realism of the locomotive pairs rolling through the town and canyon. The action shots on your layout are beautiful.
DARN IT! Once again, I forgot to put a buffer car in a tank car train! ...Roy
It's okay, Roy, it was a train of brand new tank cars being delivered. As they have never been used they don't need a barrier wagon!!!
I seen that 😲good channel roy....🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃
Well, that explains the explosion heard at 0:04. 😜
This series ranks as one of the best,
From clean to prep to run to test.
Thanks to you, we know how to Speedmatch,
Can’t wait to see this comment on Dispatch!
This is one of the many reasons i love the railpro system. Automatic speed matched and each loco in the train talks to one another. Honestly to me the best dcc system ever made
Roy, thanks for an awesome video, I understand speed matching a lot more and how to do it. Glad that worked out and hope the others go as easily as the first. Thanks for sharing. Ken
Hi Roy, a wonderful series on Speed Matching. I will keep them in reserve when I in trembling hands do the speed matching scenario. Always fun to see the "run bys" in Echo Canyon -- your masterpiece. I really appreciate what you are doing for the model railroading hobby. Thanks! - Dean from Minnesota
Roy, I enjoyed the series and glad to know many of the things I do for speed matching line-up closely to what you demonstrated on your videos. Thanks again for putting this together! -Tony
Great video Roy. This series comes at a perfect time for me as I have a few locomotives I need to run together but I didn't know how to speed match them. Thanks for sharing. Dave
Hi Roy, may I say you have a wonderful layout! I really enjoy your videos. We just bought our first two diesel Kato UP locomotives and some unit rack, with some used rolling stock, to get started in N scale. We are looking forward to ope ing the set together as a family on Christmas. Take care!
Thanks, Phillip. I appreciate your comment. It's a pleasure to share the hobby with you. ...Roy
Interesting as always, Thank you for all you do, and thank you for sharing. Awesome
Nice, Roy! You make speed matching easy peasy which makes a difference when doing something that has to be done but is not so fun. Thanks! Always a treat watching your videos. Can't wait to see what the next project is! Cheers, Roy! John
Thanks, John. I appreciate your comment. Speed matching is no fun. I just wish manufacturers would wise up and make it automatic or at least easier to do than it is. ...Roy
That task was not too difficult. You did it quickly and well. Thank you for displaying the procedure. God bless.
Thanks, Jeffry. I just wish speed matching was unnecessary or at least easier to do. Hopefully, manufacturers will wise up and offer us a better way to do this. ...Roy
Roy, that was another nice video on the steps you took to speed match and while anything takes time to do right, you made it look good, thanks. I think (GE) good enough for matching a pair of loco/s that stay together and once loaded down with cars will run perfect.
Hi Roy,
Just a suggestion... you should buy a locomotive (different road name), set that to exactly how you want it, then match all your UP engines to it. That way you will be able to run your UP engines in any consist.
Then put the other engine away and only use it when you are going to speed match.
Dan
Thanks, Dan. I appreciate your comment. You are right: having a designated "master" locomotive and using it to speed match every other locomotive in the fleet is a good idea. I may end up doing just that eventually. It would be most useful, especially when adding a third locomotive to the lead consist or as a mid- or end-of-train DPU. ...Roy
Great video Roy! This will definitely come in handy - I'll remember this method. Thanks for sharing. Best, John
great "How You Do It" Roy...speed matching is on my to do list...thx for sharing..vinny
Roy, Just how quick and easy was that? A nice place to start for those who are thinking about speed matching their own loco's. When you start to speed match the rest of the fleet is it possible to start with those speed values that you already have or do you have to start fresh with every set? Anyway, well done, Cheers, Chris Perry.
Hi Roy, simple is good. Just changing the slower, brilliant. Close enough is good enough, I agree. Seems to work, great job. See ya Tuesday, for Dispatch.
i have a couple easy questions. Do you need to speed match in the reverse direction also? Why did you decide to speed match to the speed of the faster loco? Why not the use slower locomotive as your reference speed? Do you only match specific pairs of locos, or do you match all your locomotives to each other?
Love, love, love the realism of the locomotive pairs rolling through the town and canyon. The action shots on your layout are beautiful.
Roy, this was an easier approach than I have seen others go through. I hope this method stands the test of time. I hope you'll share if down the road you find that the three speeds you've matched isn't fine enough for your entire fleet to work together.
Thanks, Tom. I will certainly keep you posted. I have noticed in the past that decoders sometimes seem to lose their speed match settings following a short on the layout. Then I have to re-set them. There has to be a better way. ...Roy
Thanx for another great video. I'm going to use JMRI myself in the near future so this was some good information.
Hi Roy, is there a reason you are using JMRI to do the speedmatching, as opposed to adjusting the cv's in your dcc system? thanks, love this channel, (a UK modeller, who loves US trains).
No, my friend, you can use either method with equal results. I’ve done it both ways. I find using JMRI to be slightly easier and quicker, but as in most things in model railroading, the method you use is a matter of personal preference. Good luck with it, whichever method you use. ...Roy
Great video. I will be doing some speed matching soon. Did you have to stop the locomotives when you changed the voltage or did it adjust without stopping?
Thanks, my friend. No, it’s best not to stop the locomotives. Just set the speed steps on your throttle at Min- then Max- and finally Mid- velocities and let the locomotives run continuously as you adjust the voltage settings in JMRI. ...Roy
Hello Roy.
I too model in "N" scale, and I am a recent addition to those who follow your channel and have been watching the whole series from the beginning. I am currently up to the video entitled "How to speedmatch your locomotives" dated Sep 21, 2019. You certainly have a beautiful layout, and I have learned a great deal about the construction of mountain scenery thanks to you.
As an aside, I am also very fond of guitar music and greatly enjoyed the background music you used at the end of this video. Could you tell me the name of the artist?
Best Regards.
Ken May
Oxford, Ga.
By the way, did you know that there is a very nice railroad museum in Savannah, Ga. It is similar to Steamtown in Pa.
Thanks so much for your very nice comment, my friend. I'm glad you found my channel and subscribed. The music that I normally use at the end of my layout videos is called "Tonto." It comes from the UA-cam Audio Library. If I get to Georgia, I would like to stop by the railroad museum in Savannah. ...Roy
@@n-scaleunionpacificevansto6569 Thanks Roy
Hi Roy great video what are the railways like in Panama freighter or passenger train? clive
Well done Roy. Clever trick!!
Very nice. Kind of the same question as others but the middle speed. It seems the faster was too fast at middle speed so why not adjust that down? Or was it just easier to concentrate on on Locomotive?
Steve, that's an important question. Let me try to respond to it in Tuesday night's episode of Dispatch, so that everyone might benefit from it. ...Roy
I assume that matched pairs will drift apart over time and that matching all engines to a single reference will have all engines drifting apart randomly. This would be due to different rates of wear or build up of dirt on wheels, different rates of wear in motor bushes, lead engine working harder to overcome air resistance, etc. Are these all very small factors that combine to become significant or do they remain insignificant?
Yep! You make it look easy, thanks for sharing....Jack
Thanks, Jack. It's a pleasure to share the process of speed matching, even though actually doing it is neither easy nor fun. There has to be a better way. ...Roy
Thanks Roy Now I know how to speed match my loco's.
Great video Roy. Good way to speed match too and a very informative how to do video as well. It's my least favourite job but it has to be done. I use a loadable speed table as Atlas locos donot speed match well as to much variation with the motors. And it allows me to you use cv 65 and 95 forward and reverse trim. Otherwise my atlas would all run as single locomotives.
Can someone tell me the name of the band and song played at the of the video? Thanks.
It's called "Daisy Duke" and it comes from the UA-cam audio library. ...Roy
Great video / tutorial. Thank you so much for simplifying the process. I know you said you didn't want this to be about JMRI, but I noticed that you seem to be able to jump between programming the CVs and then running the locos. I am running Decoder Pro 4.6-R81496DC and have been reluctant to upgrade (Ain't broke = don't fix it). I have to restart my Decoder Pro each time, switching command back & forth between program mode with PR3 and then changing the Zephyr Xtra. It didn't seem as thought you were having to do that. Or, is it as simple that you use "Programming on the main" that I once was told was dangerous? What release do you run? You can always just say I should defer this to the JMRI community & I'll understand. Thx again for all the info you share.
Programming on the main is fine, the only time you shouldn't use it is when you hardwire in a new decoder. The reason being that the programming track dosen't provide as much power as the main and so you are less likely to fry your new decoder if you've somehow wired it up incorrectly, but apart from that it's fine to program on the main as long as you don't have any stock with the same DCC address...
As far as JMRI goes, if you upgrade it to the latest stable version, you'll probably find that you won't have to keep restarting it as most of the updated versions are to iron out the bugs as opposed to adding new features if it's on the same first number version...
@@budgetwebsiteservice Thank you - I'll try that - much less hassle!
So you change the settings while on the program track, and then move to the circle to test? Do you have to select the loco over and over again on JMRI? Or can you leave it on the screen and just put the loco back on the program track?
There's no need to switch the locos back and forth between the circle and the programming track. Keep the locos on the circle, make the CV 2, 6, and 5 adjustments in JMRI with the locos on the circle with the throttle set to "programming on the main." ...Roy
Thanks Roy, I may just have to set that up tonight!
@@Wrathchildss Good luck with it, John. It's not a pleasant task. ...Roy
Thanks, it looks kind of ...temperamental. I’ll give it a shot while watching your video over and over again.
Great job roy learned a lot thanks for the help
Hey Roy just wanted to pass on Another Great Video I did see when your 5475 was going through the Turnout it was losing power and @ one point it looked like it was dragging 5330 but video play back can make it Hard to tell I know when some of my KATO'S my D.C.Engines go across the KATO Turnouts they Tend to Loose for a fraction of second power or the Lights flick and that's after cleaning the Turnouts, Cleaning the Wheels on my Engines and cleaning the Track I'm kind of wondering if A person would Direct wire there Trucks to the Frame of the Engine you have less cutting out.. Another thing I did on my SD70ACE's & my SD70AH Spirit I pulled the Trucks made sure they where Free of Foreign Material's then I Lubed the Dog Bone lightly going into the Truck Tower and into the Counter Balancer's with Labells 106 white Grease I lubed with 108 on the Motor Shafts)
Using the white Grease I've seen less ( JITTERING ) from my Engines I believe it puts a slight bit of Resistance on the Engine's Drivetrain my 70ACes Always seemed to jitter And Now they Run smoother than my other Engines Roy you might try that on One or 2 of Aces see if see any Difference.. I also Done this Lube on my SD40-2 and that Engine Runs like it on carpet of Air but I think I need to Replace its light Board because it still has a light blinking issue especially at Low Speeds..
You're right, Allen. There was a momentary loss of power on the turnout. I think this may be because I have connected a lot of the drop feeders on my layout just yet. Thanks for your suggestion as a way to solve this problem. ...Roy
For me I will want to run the trains according to the prototypical max speeds of them. So some may rum 60MPH, others 100MPH and so on. In the end I want to make consists randomly. Then running them not in speed steps but setting the speeds in MPH. I assume this should be possible and according to those who designed the DCC CV stuff and firmware on decoders.
For that you're going to need the Accutrack speedometer.
A little different method than I've seen before. But this one is successful for you and you've not been successful with methods others have used. So my conclusion is, differing methods work for different people. The key is to keep experimenting until you find success. Now Roy, when are you going to run two locos on the lead and and a DPU on the rear? (The devil made me say ask.)
Thanks, Jerry. That's a good question about speed matching DPU's. Let me try to respond to it in this coming Tuesday night's edition of Dispatch, so that everyone might benefit from it. ...Roy
I heard that the newest DCC systems have a M.U.(Multi-Unit)auto-adjust built into them.Now how true this is,I don't know.
Nice video
Roy I'm gonna tell you I'm still having a lot of trouble understanding JRMI but also I have not gotten to any point of even trying it. In time I hope to get there
I hear you, Chris. JMRI is difficult to understand, and it only starts to become useful after a long learning curve. I've only started to learn how to use it ;myself for a few simple things. Frankly, it shouldn't be so complicated and difficult to use, but it is. ...Roy
looks easy enough using JMRI. just a little time consuming.
I matched the faster one to the slower one since out of the box cv5 is maxed out
I hear you, Marten. Sometimes we have to change our procedures, especially when the voltage is already on minimum or on maximum for locomotives right out of the box. I think the secret is picking one or the other, and not trying to adjust both locomotives in the consist, as I used to try to do. ...Roy
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If manufacturers were a little smarter, we wouldn't have to do this. And its MUCH WORSE for us non-DCC runners. The biggest issue is the inability to back-drive mechanisms due to high gear ratios and worm gears. I have one steam engine with an overrunning clutch, which runs well with anything from Athearn Hustlers on down.
You are so right, my friend: We wouldn't - and shouldn't - have to do this, if manufacturers were a little smarter. There has to be a easy, or even automatic, way to speed match. ...Roy
It's not so much the manufacturers fault as it is that electrical motors and mechanical components, even when manufactured at the same time on the same production line, will each have slight differences which cause them to run at different speeds. Most of the time similar units are are close, but not exact.
I’d rather take a caning vs speed matching lol
i have a couple easy questions. Do you need to speed match in the reverse direction also? Why did you decide to speed match to the speed of the faster loco? Why not the use slower locomotive as your reference speed? Do you only match specific pairs of locos, or do you match all your locomotives to each other?
Love, love, love the realism of the locomotive pairs rolling through the town and canyon. The action shots on your layout are beautiful.
Tim, that's a lot of important questions. Let me try to answer them in this coming Tuesday night's Dispatch, so that everyone will benefit. ...Roy