Truely. Those movies are so exceptional that it's easy to forget how brave some of the choices they made were, because doing the books 1:1 wouldn't work. Maybe Tolkien wouldn't enjoy it, but a lot of Tolkien fans thought it was worth while even at the time.
Lotr were my childhood man epic movies. Though i would like to see a new movie or even trilogy about the 1st age with morgoth being the main antagonist and getting to see the dragons and balrogs at war
Sauron? Dark Lord. Big scary volcano mountain? Mount Doom. Wraiths? Wraiths. Gandalf the Gray? Gray wizard. Saruman the White? White wizard. The blue wizards? Blue wizards.
Tolkien had a collection of watercolor paintings he made himself. Sauron reaching his hand is one of them. I don't know if they were ever all released together, but some editions if his work are accompanied by them. I would suggest searching about them. They are a very nice look on how the author envisioned his created (or should I say, sub created) world. @@ignaciopillado6778
The armor was likely a manifestation of Sauron's chosen physical form, not literally removable plate mail made of sheet metal. So when he put the ring on his hand, of course it was over his "armor".
Of all the comments, this one makes the most sense, and the one I will use in my head every time I watch the movie from now on. I had always thought of him as inside the armor, but to be shape shifted into the Armor is just genius and seriously makes the most sense 👍
Gil-Galad and Elendil the Tall, the High Kings of Middle Earth, were both brilliant warriors. It must have been a brilliant and terrible sight to witness three of Middle Earth's greatest warriors battle on the slopes of mount doom.
@@kirby7294 slaying the Maia’s physical body. Yet elendil is an old coot who got smacked down once and that’s it. Hardly worthy of the name that when Aragorn yells out in the books that makes orcs quake in their boots and many flee hearing his name!
@@Makkaru112 I mean Elendil was essentially an immortal mortal, and Sauron is technically a lesser god or demigod. That fight isn't fair to begin with.
@NachtjagerVII Hes a lesser god, not a demigod at all. Elves are much closer to demigods lorewise as they are the bridge between mortality and the gods. Technically undying and can interact with gods and mortals
"Creative Liberties" are what people who are, you know, creative, take when making their art. Peter Jackson's art is film. He needed to create a physical form for Sauron because film is a visual artform. I think he did a magnificent job of it. Those LOTR films of his will live forever. People will be watching them a hundred years from now.
The scene where he is in battle is terrifying. Elrond sees him and stands there with his mouth hanging open. When Elrond is scared you are done. Swinging his hammer and 10 men go flying 70 yards. Absolutely insane. If I saw that I’d slowly back away to the edge of the troops then RUN!
The movies are masterpieces but they do Isildur some unintentional injustice. In book he NEVER succumbs to the ring, he instead spends his time being a fair ruler who practically gave power away to the people INSTEAD of being power hungry. He comes to realize that he is not powerful enough to truly bend the ring to his will. That it will eventually overcome him. Isildur resolves to give the ring to Elrond but is killed on the way to Rivendel. It's a tragic story of a man that tries to right his wrong but ultimately fails. In the books isildur literally repented and was about to bring the ring to Rivendell and apologize as he recognized it was beyond him even for a great numenorean connected to the faithful line of the mighty Elendil I preface the prologue & war, other depictions I LOVE, captured the themes WELL, the vibe of the whole trilogy! The significance of the duel between Elendil & Sauron was Nerffed; (He wasn’t some random old bloke in armour getting smacked around) This man was MIGHTY and gleaming with power which you’ll find out in the great videos you’ll soon react to with joy! * He and Gil-Galad; last true Elven King battled Sauron and slayed Sauron’s physical body and both died in the process. GilGalad was held high by the face for all free peoples to see as he then incinerated his bodily form to a crisp of ash! Isildur was part of the fight too but not as prominently and he just comes up to the body to cut the ring finger off and…. So one example is how easily Sauron is killed in the intro. * • He's set up as this super powered badass, but all you have to do is cut off his finger? That's not how it went down in the book, where the greatest man-king and the greatest elven-king had to double-team Sauron to strike down his body, but were killed in the effort (Isildur then cuts the ring from the corpse). Especially for elves the title of king has many meanings & by the Third Age there isn’t a population large enough to even attempt to such a thing as creating a unified kingdom, which would put a target on their backs, let alone many of them are beyond all of that anyway as it’s seen as doing more harm than anything good. * They also seen what happened when the elves fell upon the swords of their own hubris and passion no matter if it was for the right reasons some of the time. That it always ended up in some sort of tragedy which sometimes even damaged the earth itself. They had long known about what’s called the Long Defeat as ever since Morgoth’s marring of the land itself; pouring his remnants into it that caused the “magic” to slowly drain away from the land itself, which is sad because for ages several clans of elves were born there. even the greatest ancestors were “born” in middle earth awakening to the stars ! Many of who are left have accepted the next phase of their life which is to become councillors, healers and loremasters to those with the heart to listen and the desire to learn. But above all the guardians and custodians of several things and the world itself for as long as they can remain!❤ The elves “exist” as long as the world does. And Tolkien made it obvious in many ways that it’s our world as he restored Anglo Saxon culture/Mythologies and folklore, and their languages too alongside Irish, Welsh and Finnish mythologies too. Especially Norwegian(of which I am) This is what Amazon (the show that shall not be named) didn’t deliver either [[AKA the actual story which inspired everything we love into existence with games and movies and books and so forth. Skyrim, elder scrolls, oblivion, Diablo, and world of Warcraft and D&D. And Game Of Thrones was hugely inspired by Tolkien… yet as the godfather of everything and the heart of what caused many peoples lives to be saved cannot get the justice it deserves for adaptations? People literally conquered cancer because of the books and the trilogy, the books were read to their children for years. All 25 of them. The man was a hugely respected scholar and professor in the world. Translated ancient artifacts and hieroglyphs and petroglyphs and so forth for the government etc. (JRR Tolkien even rejected being recruited into the CIA several times & he wrote everyone by letter and referenced the dudes who came to him as “little boys who knew not what they got themselves into” which showed his fearlessness.). The readers of the trilogy that came out are who he writes back to despite always replying to everyone back and forth. Many people have shared the stories regarding these conversations which were past down throughout the family lines of the people who had a personal relationship with Tolkien which was hundreds of people when he was alive. Thousands. (Some are in video format too or happened to be shared later on in the video or comes up during a video about him and his work. Especially nowadays when many of us came out of the woodwork to defend professor Tolkiens legacy from amazons money grubbing hands and so forth. Giving many channels a new lease on life where some make Tolkien related content now amongst other things they create content wise.
@@user-xo2xm7sb3v what’s that mean? And what significance does it have to anything I said?. Feel free to actually engage in the discussion thread here below the comment. That’s what it’s all about. It’s how we are. ❤️
@@user-xo2xm7sb3v nah. We Tolkien lovers and mythology/language/culture lovers are able to write longform, even by hand because we’re just that dedicated. Plus it’s very good for your brains health to keep a strong memory and so on!
@@user-xo2xm7sb3v half a book? Nah. Add something worth while to say if you’re going to waste your own time to talk to me. Why waste your valuable time?
The biggest flaw of the trilogy for me is Elrond telling Isildur to "cast it into the fire, destroy it", it makes Isildur look power hungry and easily corrupted, whilst also making it seem that Elrond is resistant to the corruptive power of the Ring. In reality (Tolkiens Lore) no being could over come the evil of the Ring whilst standing in Mount Doom, it's power is too great even for someone as powerful and wise as Elrond
@@kedabro1957 As it's said in this short, it was luck. Did Isildur know what will happen if Sauron dropped the ring? I don't think so. He just swinged the sword to defend and got lucky.
It would make zero sense if he was coming to the battle him self, but without any type of armor, when he is literally known for making things look gothic and corrupted, i bet he had some type of armor that really put some fear in free peoples hearts. Pretty much everything sauron made the orcs build or builded him self, it was all made with same blueprint to give it that extra layer of fear, which would help sauron to corrupt and make the men and elfs doubt them selfs.
Your waffling and have no idea, its skin the "armor" is sauron why would the "armor" crumble along with his fingers when They removed the ring not to mention if it was a gauntlet hed put the ring on his actual finger not his "armor" so no its skin its his war form @@yetibeardson1168
That whole scene in the beginning of fellowship has felt more like an artistic representation of what happened rather than a historical account. Purely visual for the audience.
There was actually a deleted scene of Gil-Galad being apart of the prologue battle. It would have involved him confronting Sauron before being burned alive just by Sauron grabbing him. However it was cut since, according to Peter Jackson, it would take a bit to inform the audience who Gil-Galad was, which meant it was also a bit of a run time issue. And when I mean cut, I mean the scene didn’t get properly developed like all the stuff in the extended cuts. All you can really find is one or two images of the scene; one with just Gil-Galad and the other being of Gil-Galad and Sauron.
I think encasing him works quite well. The evil of Sauron is his darkness and ability to scheme and corrupt people. He isn’t a horrible mutant demon, he’s an intimidating figure with a terrifying presence who brings an air of malevolent intelligence. I would compare it to Darth Vader. The scariness lies in the cold suit of armor that hides all hints or semblances of humanity. Peeling it back to show a burned and grotesque creature feels like a disservice to them.
Well, interpretations of the world of tolkien are as old as Tolkien's work; and in the case of Sauron I think Jackson based his to the illustration 'Fall of Fingolfin' by Jhon Howe. In that scene Morgoth (not Sauron) is depicted as a huge Black Knigth clad in armour and with a huge mace; not unsimilar to Jackson's Sauron. Again in 'Ungoliant and Melkor' and 'Melkor and Ungoliant before the Two Trees' (All by Huges) Morgoth is allways ahown with this 'Black Knigth' with a spiked hellmet; and this is the inspiration Allan Lee (visual artist of the films) took to dessign Jakcson's Sauron.
It's upsetting that that needed saying, but because there are so many people who treat the books as though they were utter religious truth and cannot be even slightly deviated from makes it necessary. There's very little about the films (apart from the omission of the Scouring of the Shire) that I have an issue with despite having read the books a number of times before the films even existed. The Hobbit movies on the other hand...
@@neilcam Bro who hurt you. Daddy not give you enough attention? Mommy spending time with her boyfriend of the week instead of you? Learn how to speak to people you galoot 😆 I was sharing information. Theres an R word used to describe people like you 💯
If his finger was cut off, the ring would fall off him whether it was under or over his armour anyway. It was probably worn outside his armour for intimidation tactics. To show everyone that he is the wearer of the One Ring
You gotta admit, for those who didn't read the book, it did add to the perception of the immense power of the ring and Sauron. I think it was an effective way to go about it.
@@Vital_form not necessarily - but it was fair to portray him that way - the armor was not actually armor it was his own form. He was a master at shapeshifting
@@pignapoke6772 Most artist over the years depicted him with armour. I mean, he is a Dark Lord guiding his armies to the battle... there are little thinks more iconic in medieval fantasy than a towering dakr knigth with all black armour facing the heroic elven warrior in shinig silver chainmail... and while we see a Barlog in the books (and even with that,debate still goes on if winged demon or not XDD) Sauron is never seen by the audience. All acounts of the past war mention him only by passing; and modern orcs describe him as 'The Red Eye'; not because his form was a red eye (Jackson depicted him like this with is an artistic liberty... but rather a cool one, to be fair) but because even his men feared his capability to know it all
Honestly it works though, and I don't think anyone would have it any other way, peter did a fantastic job with LOTR and I think if Tolkien was alive when it came out he would approve.
I always took it as him being a known shapeshifter, with the armor essentially being part of his body and the ring being something he was “wearing” on top of that
Not sure how you can spin it like that, considering that he literally didn't do it like in the books, either by limitations or they wanted to make it more "cool".
I'm finally reading the original trilogy, and I can't believe how much Peter Jackson and crew came up with, streamlined, and designed to make the films as legendary as they are. It's wild.
Even ignoring the obvious reason for having the main thing of the entire series visible: Isildur cut off his fingers. Whether it was worn inside or outside the gauntlet wouldnt have mattered, since the whole finger came off.
The Lord of the Rings trilogy had a certain magic to it that I have not seen in anything else in my lifetime. Some of my best memories was sitting down and watching the full special editions chronologically with friends. While smoking our own pipe weed of course.
Can't have all that backstory and the big baddy having been properly beaten once before. The movie makers were pretty damn good at adapting. Slight improvements could've been made but few.
Yep. You'd have to explain GilGalad Elendil and the entire Last Alliance and how that wasn't possible in the time of Aragorn. You'd need an entire movie. PJ fixed all this the way he did it. It wasn't a perfect fix, but there was no other way.
Lots of things needed improving. Such as not cutting out entire characters and events that were integral to the plot of the story. Not adding tons of crap that weren't in the story. Just like they did with the Hobbit movies they butchered the story and changed it into something thats an insult to the creator of the books
@@Ralph_Roberts no you didn't. We had that already with the books. What you got was a visually impressive dumpster fire that only made money until fans realized that it was crap
While the Peter Jackson movies are different from the books and the Tolkien estate has disavowed them I really do think Tolkien would approve and really like the movies. They loved his books but there are things you can do on paper that you just can't on the screen
Hi Martin!! Wonderful honest review. And yes, you are right, reviews should be done after many miles, not after 20 or 50. Thank you for your video! Oh, btw, what about walking with them? Are they comfortable enough? Thank you!
THANK you. So many of those creative liberties recreated massive plot holes in those movies...... ...... but this one did yield some freaking sweet lacrosse gloves.
Sauron is actually Maria. He is not locked into human, does not require food or drink. So one could say because of his corruption to the darkness, he took on parta/forms of armor to keep his body bound also to give a more identifiable shape. This is why after he was released from the armor / prison he became the eye.
In the movie, obviously the audiences needed to see the ring, while cutting it off his finger, it gave a better understanding why Mordor became weak without it.
It's a fashion statement, and I totally agree with it. I mean, seriously! He didn't go through all the trouble of crating such a fabulous ring just to cover it up! That would be crazy! 😂
I have a question for the book readers. Why did the ring gave only invisibility powers to the common ppl who wore it? Why not any other or extra powers? I know if Gandalf would ever wore it he'd not just be invisible but a super bad wizard.
Even if i like the books more, the LoTR movies are true art. They broke down the story and make it way more easy to understand and follow. So its like he gives us a Door to the World of Middle earth and if you brave enough you can lern so much more by read (or hear an audibook) of the other works like the silmarillion or the hobbit. Ether way, the story is a master piece
The books pretty cool because the characters talk with reverence about Gil Galad and Elendil managing to kill Sauron, two mortals taking down a god is a really cool concept, especially at the time that the story was written.
Sauron, as far as I'm aware, was a great and dark sorcerer. Thereby, he never did wear armor; or at least as much as he wore robes or loin cloth. Every visage he assumed was one of deception. Perhaps the armor we see was just another trick of the light, or rather, a trick of the dark; the dark of our own minds in the midst of his evil.
The principles that Peter Jackson embraced to ensure the production of the film took no compromises is unrivalled. And to think that at one point before production began there was an offer to condense the trilogy into a single film is almost frightening. So the saying goes: 'all good things take time' - which in this era is difficult to fully understand.
Considering the ring is somewhat sentient, i wouldn't be surprised that it influenced even Sauron to show it off. He put part of himself into the ring. Including his own huge ego.
Tolkiens art, the only official art of Sauron, does probably depict him in armor, as he seems to clearly wear a helmet while having non-biological shapes making up the shadows of his body.
Or that shape above his head is to represent the pure darkness and energy making up most of his being at the time, reaching out into the world with this body being a physical manifestation of thos darkness and acting as his "hand" in the physical world.
@@alhassirakhdugani5813 I think it is a helmet because theres a shade of grey right around his orange eyes, as if he is wearing a black helmet with eye socket holes revealing his grey skin underneath. Sauron in the 3rd age is a reflection of Morgoth the same way many things from the earlier ages kind of repeat themselves at a smaller scale, for example Aragorn and Arwen being like Beren and Luthien, I think the shapes Tolkien depicted on Saurons head represent Saurons version of the famed iron crown of Morgoth. Sauron is the "King of the Earth" after all, I think it is safe to assume that he would wear a crown.
The OG story makes sense. Especially with Gil-Galad and Elendil being important figures in the latest Rings of Power TV series. What Rings of Power COULD do, if they ever portray the Great Battle, Gil-Galad and Elendil could double team Sauron and everyone could be laying dying on the battlefield when Isildur deals the final blow similar to when Eowyn fought the king of the Nazgul when Merry came up from behind and stabbed him in the back.
Actually Isildur did give the death blow to Sauron after his physical form had been nearly vanquished by Gil Galad and Elendil. This is the quote from the final chapter of the Silmarillion: "For Isildur would not surrender it to Elrond and Círdan who stood by. They counselled him to cast it into the fire of Orodruin nigh at hand, in which it had been forged, so that it should perish, and the power of Sauron be for ever diminished, and he should remain only as a shadow of malice in the wilderness. But Isildur refused this counsel, saying: 'This I will have as weregild for my father's death, and my brother's. Was it not I that dealt the Enemy his death-blow?' And the Ring that he held seemed to him exceedingly fair to look on; and he would not suffer it to be destroyed."
Tbh it wasn't like Sauron was wearing armor in the movies either, that armored Sauron was just his dark lord form in the movies Sauron can shift between any shape he desires after all and what would be more imposing and practical in a battle than a gaint walking suit of black armor
Most of the questions about LOTR I've gotten from coworkers involve telling them "that was only a thing in the movies." Like Sauron being able to see Frodo whenever he put the ring on.
Sauron didn’t wear armour in the books only in the films to make him more intimidating, he wore the ring on the outside his armour so you could see it on screen
As with the Valar, the undying spirits who existed before the creation of the world, Sauron the Maia had the changeling ability. But like his master, Melkor of the Valar, AKA Morgoth, he lost the ability at a certain point to assume a fair and pleasing appearance. Both Morgoth and Sauron were terrifying to look upon. Sauron lost his body when Numinor was destroyed. His spirit then flew back to Mordor, where he fashioned another body with the One Ring.
I have always held that The Ring, since it held some power of Sauron and having some shapeshifting abilities himself, that The Ring was able to change its own diameter to fit whenever “owned” The Ring. Gollum’s long thin creature feature, to Bilbo and Frodo chubby body shapes. It was worn by human men, especially during Sauron ability to be a man-elf-whatever form he was able alter his body. Even if he was able to wear it over his armored hand, it always fit perfectly. Hmmm I never put that thought into any of the other rings. Every human has a different ring size, so I can only guess each dwarf, elf, or hobbit has their own ring size. I guess each ring of power has some sort of ability to alter itself to the ring bearer.
I always thought this was a liberty within the written lore - as saurons visage was initially nothing more than a garment of sorts but become more tangible the longer he lived in it. Also the ring was less a trinket and more a vessel his essence so become almost “part” of his anatomy - almost as if grafted to him. Hence why on the outside as the “armour” was more like skin than mail
actually, if i remember it correctly, his ability to take a pleasing form was taken from him at one point. he COU:DNT assume the form of the "bringer of gifts" that suckered the elves into making the Rings anymore. He was trying to fill Bid Daddy Morgoth's shoes and overextended himself.
Haven't seen anyone else say the obvious here. But Peter Jackson pretty much had to show the ring over the armour at the start. The enemy of the films might be "Sauron" in name but it's actually the ring and pretty sure they say that in the behind the scenes stuff. Most of the film work and decisions were on how to get audiences accustomed to the ring and its powers. And so it had to be visually shown.
It's a movie and the ring needs to be seen because of the chosen medium. Not everything needs to be explained with lore. Though if you want, one could argue the scenes where we see Sauron-As-He-Was to be a work of imagination and whoever imagined that scene in their mind didn't really stop to think he realistically wouldn't wear a ring over his armor.
I dont think we will ever see a movie triology like LOTR. Thank you Peter Jackson!
Truely. Those movies are so exceptional that it's easy to forget how brave some of the choices they made were, because doing the books 1:1 wouldn't work. Maybe Tolkien wouldn't enjoy it, but a lot of Tolkien fans thought it was worth while even at the time.
The dark knight.
Lotr were my childhood man epic movies. Though i would like to see a new movie or even trilogy about the 1st age with morgoth being the main antagonist and getting to see the dragons and balrogs at war
@@iarenubie78lol
They were also awsome but old to now@@iarenubie78
All we know about the dark Lord is that he looks like a dark Lord. Got it.
That is very Tolkienian
it's a master description XD
😂😂😂 right
What of Saruman the white wizard?
White wizard.
Sauron? Dark Lord.
Big scary volcano mountain? Mount Doom.
Wraiths? Wraiths.
Gandalf the Gray? Gray wizard.
Saruman the White? White wizard.
The blue wizards? Blue wizards.
Tolkien's illustration of Sauron reaching across the sky as he is dispersed and blown away after the destruction of the ring is awesome.
Were is that paint? Never seen it
Tolkien had a collection of watercolor paintings he made himself. Sauron reaching his hand is one of them.
I don't know if they were ever all released together, but some editions if his work are accompanied by them. I would suggest searching about them. They are a very nice look on how the author envisioned his created (or should I say, sub created) world. @@ignaciopillado6778
@@ignaciopillado6778 just search for Tolkien's illustration of Sauron.
The armor was likely a manifestation of Sauron's chosen physical form, not literally removable plate mail made of sheet metal. So when he put the ring on his hand, of course it was over his "armor".
Of all the comments, this one makes the most sense, and the one I will use in my head every time I watch the movie from now on. I had always thought of him as inside the armor, but to be shape shifted into the Armor is just genius and seriously makes the most sense 👍
Nice take
Well... Tolkien's estate wasn't too keen on the films... so who knows??
@@joelewis1493except that he wasnt able to shapeshift anymore at that point in time
The ring also resizes? He also could've worn real gauntlets to protect the ring?
Gil-Galad and Elendil the Tall, the High Kings of Middle Earth, were both brilliant warriors. It must have been a brilliant and terrible sight to witness three of Middle Earth's greatest warriors battle on the slopes of mount doom.
@@kirby7294 slaying the Maia’s physical body. Yet elendil is an old coot who got smacked down once and that’s it. Hardly worthy of the name that when Aragorn yells out in the books that makes orcs quake in their boots and many flee hearing his name!
@Makkaru112 You get hit by Sauron's mace and we'll see if you get up.
@@Makkaru112 I mean Elendil was essentially an immortal mortal, and Sauron is technically a lesser god or demigod. That fight isn't fair to begin with.
@NachtjagerVII Hes a lesser god, not a demigod at all. Elves are much closer to demigods lorewise as they are the bridge between mortality and the gods. Technically undying and can interact with gods and mortals
@@NachtjagerVII
Elves - Demi Gods
Maia - Lesser Gods
Valar - Elder Gods
Eru Illuvitar - GOD
sauron didn’t want to hide his drip 💦
The Dark Lord was a bit of a narcissist 😂
The saying goes Drip or Die for a reason
God, can't you people keep your stupid modern sayings out of this shit.
new generation bullshit talk
@@TheSolarium18 okay boomer
"Creative Liberties" are what people who are, you know, creative, take when making their art. Peter Jackson's art is film. He needed to create a physical form for Sauron because film is a visual artform. I think he did a magnificent job of it. Those LOTR films of his will live forever. People will be watching them a hundred years from now.
Sauron is like a Skyrim giant, clad in Daedric armour, swinging the Mace of Molag Bol. What can men (and elves) do against such reckless hate?
"Ride out and meet them!"
One of my favourite quotes, theodon is a true bad ass
And he also seems to have a 100 enchanting. we're screwed.
Fus Ro Dah?
The scene where he is in battle is terrifying. Elrond sees him and stands there with his mouth hanging open. When Elrond is scared you are done. Swinging his hammer and 10 men go flying 70 yards. Absolutely insane. If I saw that I’d slowly back away to the edge of the troops then RUN!
And Elrond had seen Sauron in combat during the War of Sauron and the Elves in the Second Age, but maybe not as he appeared when he lost the Ring.
Nah, I think I could take him.
And that is why noone will remember your name...
The movies are masterpieces but they do Isildur some unintentional injustice. In book he NEVER succumbs to the ring, he instead spends his time being a fair ruler who practically gave power away to the people INSTEAD of being power hungry.
He comes to realize that he is not powerful enough to truly bend the ring to his will. That it will eventually overcome him. Isildur resolves to give the ring to Elrond but is killed on the way to Rivendel. It's a tragic story of a man that tries to right his wrong but ultimately fails.
In the books isildur literally repented and was about to bring the ring to Rivendell and apologize as he recognized it was beyond him even for a great numenorean connected to the faithful line of the mighty Elendil
I preface the prologue & war, other depictions I LOVE, captured the themes WELL, the vibe of the whole trilogy! The significance of the duel between Elendil & Sauron was Nerffed; (He wasn’t some random old bloke in armour getting smacked around) This man was MIGHTY and gleaming with power which you’ll find out in the great videos you’ll soon react to with joy!
* He and Gil-Galad; last true Elven King battled Sauron and slayed Sauron’s physical body and both died in the process. GilGalad was held high by the face for all free peoples to see as he then incinerated his bodily form to a crisp of ash! Isildur was part of the fight too but not as prominently and he just comes up to the body to cut the ring finger off and…. So one example is how easily Sauron is killed in the intro.
* • He's set up as this super powered badass, but all you have to do is cut off his finger? That's not how it went down in the book, where the greatest man-king and the greatest elven-king had to double-team Sauron to strike down his body, but were killed in the effort (Isildur then cuts the ring from the corpse).
Especially for elves the title of king has many meanings & by the Third Age there isn’t a population large enough to even attempt to such a thing as creating a unified kingdom, which would put a target on their backs, let alone many of them are beyond all of that anyway as it’s seen as doing more harm than anything good.
* They also seen what happened when the elves fell upon the swords of their own hubris and passion no matter if it was for the right reasons some of the time. That it always ended up in some sort of tragedy which sometimes even damaged the earth itself.
They had long known about what’s called the Long Defeat as ever since Morgoth’s marring of the land itself; pouring his remnants into it that caused the “magic” to slowly drain away from the land itself, which is sad because for ages several clans of elves were born there. even the greatest ancestors were “born” in middle earth awakening to the stars !
Many of who are left have accepted the next phase of their life which is to become councillors, healers and loremasters to those with the heart to listen and the desire to learn. But above all the guardians and custodians of several things and the world itself for as long as they can remain!❤ The elves “exist” as long as the world does. And Tolkien made it obvious in many ways that it’s our world as he restored Anglo Saxon culture/Mythologies and folklore, and their languages too alongside Irish, Welsh and Finnish mythologies too. Especially Norwegian(of which I am)
This is what Amazon (the show that shall not be named) didn’t deliver either [[AKA the actual story which inspired everything we love into existence with games and movies and books and so forth. Skyrim, elder scrolls, oblivion, Diablo, and world of Warcraft and D&D. And Game Of Thrones was hugely inspired by Tolkien… yet as the godfather of everything and the heart of what caused many peoples lives to be saved cannot get the justice it deserves for adaptations?
People literally conquered cancer because of the books and the trilogy, the books were read to their children for years. All 25 of them. The man was a hugely respected scholar and professor in the world. Translated ancient artifacts and hieroglyphs and petroglyphs and so forth for the government etc.
(JRR Tolkien even rejected being recruited into the CIA several times & he wrote everyone by letter and referenced the dudes who came to him as “little boys who knew not what they got themselves into” which showed his fearlessness.). The readers of the trilogy that came out are who he writes back to despite always replying to everyone back and forth.
Many people have shared the stories regarding these conversations which were past down throughout the family lines of the people who had a personal relationship with Tolkien which was hundreds of people when he was alive. Thousands. (Some are in video format too or happened to be shared later on in the video or comes up during a video about him and his work.
Especially nowadays when many of us came out of the woodwork to defend professor Tolkiens legacy from amazons money grubbing hands and so forth. Giving many channels a new lease on life where some make Tolkien related content now amongst other things they create content wise.
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@@user-xo2xm7sb3v what’s that mean? And what significance does it have to anything I said?. Feel free to actually engage in the discussion thread here below the comment. That’s what it’s all about. It’s how we are. ❤️
@@user-xo2xm7sb3v nah. We Tolkien lovers and mythology/language/culture lovers are able to write longform, even by hand because we’re just that dedicated. Plus it’s very good for your brains health to keep a strong memory and so on!
@@user-xo2xm7sb3v half a book? Nah. Add something worth while to say if you’re going to waste your own time to talk to me. Why waste your valuable time?
The biggest flaw of the trilogy for me is Elrond telling Isildur to "cast it into the fire, destroy it", it makes Isildur look power hungry and easily corrupted, whilst also making it seem that Elrond is resistant to the corruptive power of the Ring. In reality (Tolkiens Lore) no being could over come the evil of the Ring whilst standing in Mount Doom, it's power is too great even for someone as powerful and wise as Elrond
Well even if he wore it under the gauntlet, if Isildor cut the right finger off it would have had the same outcome.
But he wouldn't have known where to aim.
@@kedabro1957 As it's said in this short, it was luck. Did Isildur know what will happen if Sauron dropped the ring? I don't think so. He just swinged the sword to defend and got lucky.
@@kedabro1957 oh facts but that’s why I said “if” he cut the correct hand.
@@artw3 That is film-only though.
@@Crafty_SpiritWell, they were discussing the film specifically 🙄
The armor looks so incredible badass, it was a good decision to add it
it is no armor lol it is just sauron himself
just remember the death scene of sauron
@@ErwinHans-h2b It's absolutely armor.
It would make zero sense if he was coming to the battle him self, but without any type of armor, when he is literally known for making things look gothic and corrupted, i bet he had some type of armor that really put some fear in free peoples hearts. Pretty much everything sauron made the orcs build or builded him self, it was all made with same blueprint to give it that extra layer of fear, which would help sauron to corrupt and make the men and elfs doubt them selfs.
Your waffling and have no idea, its skin the "armor" is sauron why would the "armor" crumble along with his fingers when They removed the ring not to mention if it was a gauntlet hed put the ring on his actual finger not his "armor" so no its skin its his war form @@yetibeardson1168
That whole scene in the beginning of fellowship has felt more like an artistic representation of what happened rather than a historical account. Purely visual for the audience.
You called it sir
You just described what movies are. All of them.
I would live to see a cinematic display of the fight between Gil-Galad, Elendil, and Sauron.
There was actually a deleted scene of Gil-Galad being apart of the prologue battle. It would have involved him confronting Sauron before being burned alive just by Sauron grabbing him.
However it was cut since, according to Peter Jackson, it would take a bit to inform the audience who Gil-Galad was, which meant it was also a bit of a run time issue. And when I mean cut, I mean the scene didn’t get properly developed like all the stuff in the extended cuts. All you can really find is one or two images of the scene; one with just Gil-Galad and the other being of Gil-Galad and Sauron.
I feel like Peter Jackson put him in armor because he didn't feel like he could bring Tolkien's true vision of sauron to the screen.
Plus Brad Pitt was probably busy that day.
Got to leave something to the imagination to make him truly frightening.
one has to recognize, anyway, everyone knew immediately who he was just as we saw him in the movie. So, the armor appearence is truly well made
I think encasing him works quite well. The evil of Sauron is his darkness and ability to scheme and corrupt people. He isn’t a horrible mutant demon, he’s an intimidating figure with a terrifying presence who brings an air of malevolent intelligence.
I would compare it to Darth Vader.
The scariness lies in the cold suit of armor that hides all hints or semblances of humanity. Peeling it back to show a burned and grotesque creature feels like a disservice to them.
Well, interpretations of the world of tolkien are as old as Tolkien's work; and in the case of Sauron I think Jackson based his to the illustration 'Fall of Fingolfin' by Jhon Howe. In that scene Morgoth (not Sauron) is depicted as a huge Black Knigth clad in armour and with a huge mace; not unsimilar to Jackson's Sauron. Again in 'Ungoliant and Melkor' and 'Melkor and Ungoliant before the Two Trees' (All by Huges) Morgoth is allways ahown with this 'Black Knigth' with a spiked hellmet; and this is the inspiration Allan Lee (visual artist of the films) took to dessign Jakcson's Sauron.
Well it was a beautiful creative liberty. Thank you Mr Jackson
It's upsetting that that needed saying, but because there are so many people who treat the books as though they were utter religious truth and cannot be even slightly deviated from makes it necessary. There's very little about the films (apart from the omission of the Scouring of the Shire) that I have an issue with despite having read the books a number of times before the films even existed. The Hobbit movies on the other hand...
@@neilcam Christopher Tolkien (JRR Tolkiens son) HATED the Peter Jackson movies.
@@Zomboo So what? I'm not Christopher Tolkien. As I said, it's not a fucking religion.
@@neilcam Bro who hurt you. Daddy not give you enough attention? Mommy spending time with her boyfriend of the week instead of you? Learn how to speak to people you galoot 😆 I was sharing information. Theres an R word used to describe people like you 💯
If his finger was cut off, the ring would fall off him whether it was under or over his armour anyway. It was probably worn outside his armour for intimidation tactics. To show everyone that he is the wearer of the One Ring
@@SpremeCalami it was not armor - it was the form he actually took
i always took it that because sauron is a shapeshifter his armor isnt clothes, it is literally just his steel plated skin
Black armour is scary. Towering obsidian monstrosity is a different kind of scary
If not friend then why made out of friend. UWU
Not really, Obsidian is brittle. Steel is much scarier, because it actually works as armour. Steel is also black.Just don't polish it.
@@erikhamann I was clearly referencing the colour, rather than the material.
@@erikhamann Steel is not black.
Tldw: it's a cinematic tool to shortcut the taking of the ring with minimal narrative clarification.
Edit: typo
You gotta admit, for those who didn't read the book, it did add to the perception of the immense power of the ring and Sauron. I think it was an effective way to go about it.
Tldw on a short is wild
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It helped me. My phone speaker sucks and my eyes are too bad to read the captions hidden behind all the HUD crap on the video.
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@@brObliothat’s what I’m saying, these tik tok bred speds are getting out of control. 💀
A “towering dark lord” would almost certainly be armour clad even if not explicitly said so.
@@Vital_form not necessarily - but it was fair to portray him that way - the armor was not actually armor it was his own form. He was a master at shapeshifting
@@pignapoke6772 Most artist over the years depicted him with armour. I mean, he is a Dark Lord guiding his armies to the battle... there are little thinks more iconic in medieval fantasy than a towering dakr knigth with all black armour facing the heroic elven warrior in shinig silver chainmail... and while we see a Barlog in the books (and even with that,debate still goes on if winged demon or not XDD) Sauron is never seen by the audience. All acounts of the past war mention him only by passing; and modern orcs describe him as 'The Red Eye'; not because his form was a red eye (Jackson depicted him like this with is an artistic liberty... but rather a cool one, to be fair) but because even his men feared his capability to know it all
@@dhorn4005 balrog also shapeshift
Peter Jackson's sauron looks dope af
Honestly it works though, and I don't think anyone would have it any other way, peter did a fantastic job with LOTR and I think if Tolkien was alive when it came out he would approve.
I always took it as him being a known shapeshifter, with the armor essentially being part of his body and the ring being something he was “wearing” on top of that
"Burning, black skin" is really difficult to imagine. Tolkien definitely had a way with words.
Anyone know how id find the name of the background music?
It speaks volumes of the respect Peter Jackson had for the lore that he took creative liberties but still brought forward the spirit of the books.
Not sure how you can spin it like that, considering that he literally didn't do it like in the books, either by limitations or they wanted to make it more "cool".
Sauron would be very angry about cigarette prices these days.
@@AA-xm7rt yip. When I was a kid they were 25 cents a pack. Imagine how cheap they were back when Sauron was around.
It was a cool creative liberty, sometimes such liberties work out like in Starship troopers or How to Train your Dragon
Peter Jackson's lotr was peak epic fantasy. Nothing has yet matched it.
Nothing will. That was a really special thing that happened.
I'm finally reading the original trilogy, and I can't believe how much Peter Jackson and crew came up with, streamlined, and designed to make the films as legendary as they are. It's wild.
Sauron wore the ring on the outside of his armor in the movie because it looks badass.
@@DGFX-67 it wasnt armor it was the form he took _
@@DGFX-67 it makes Sauron super identifiable and the ring becomes the personification of Sauron in the storytelling modus of the films as well.
Because it's a movie and flow and visual story telling are really important in those.
Even ignoring the obvious reason for having the main thing of the entire series visible: Isildur cut off his fingers. Whether it was worn inside or outside the gauntlet wouldnt have mattered, since the whole finger came off.
The Lord of the Rings trilogy had a certain magic to it that I have not seen in anything else in my lifetime. Some of my best memories was sitting down and watching the full special editions chronologically with friends. While smoking our own pipe weed of course.
Can't have all that backstory and the big baddy having been properly beaten once before. The movie makers were pretty damn good at adapting. Slight improvements could've been made but few.
Yep. You'd have to explain GilGalad Elendil and the entire Last Alliance and how that wasn't possible in the time of Aragorn. You'd need an entire movie. PJ fixed all this the way he did it. It wasn't a perfect fix, but there was no other way.
Lots of things needed improving. Such as not cutting out entire characters and events that were integral to the plot of the story. Not adding tons of crap that weren't in the story. Just like they did with the Hobbit movies they butchered the story and changed it into something thats an insult to the creator of the books
@jasonandrus4977 boohoo we only ended up with the best trilogy ever made.
@@Ralph_Roberts no you didn't. We had that already with the books. What you got was a visually impressive dumpster fire that only made money until fans realized that it was crap
@jasonandrus4977 no the original pj trilogy is still highly praised. The dumpster fire is rings of power.
Not giving form to Sauron made him infinitely more horrifying as an embodiment of evil
The vibrations come in through the ring and are dispersed into the armor and subsequently into the "man". Real hard.
While the Peter Jackson movies are different from the books and the Tolkien estate has disavowed them I really do think Tolkien would approve and really like the movies. They loved his books but there are things you can do on paper that you just can't on the screen
Sauron was a big dude, with big fingers. Frodo was a small dude, with big fingers.... wait a minute, that can't be right.
Isildur: “Dibs”
Hi Martin!! Wonderful honest review. And yes, you are right, reviews should be done after many miles, not after 20 or 50. Thank you for your video!
Oh, btw, what about walking with them? Are they comfortable enough? Thank you!
THANK you. So many of those creative liberties recreated massive plot holes in those movies......
...... but this one did yield some freaking sweet lacrosse gloves.
Sauron is actually Maria. He is not locked into human, does not require food or drink. So one could say because of his corruption to the darkness, he took on parta/forms of armor to keep his body bound also to give a more identifiable shape. This is why after he was released from the armor / prison he became the eye.
Peter Jackson changed the story and won Oscars for it??? I hate being lied to!!!
In the movie, obviously the audiences needed to see the ring, while cutting it off his finger, it gave a better understanding why Mordor became weak without it.
It's a fashion statement, and I totally agree with it. I mean, seriously! He didn't go through all the trouble of crating such a fabulous ring just to cover it up! That would be crazy! 😂
It did look quite nice, a contrast to the dark metal of his skin/armor.
Most of the time Peter Jackson made good choices with his creative liberties, this was one of them.
I have a question for the book readers. Why did the ring gave only invisibility powers to the common ppl who wore it? Why not any other or extra powers? I know if Gandalf would ever wore it he'd not just be invisible but a super bad wizard.
Even if i like the books more, the LoTR movies are true art. They broke down the story and make it way more easy to understand and follow. So its like he gives us a Door to the World of Middle earth and if you brave enough you can lern so much more by read (or hear an audibook) of the other works like the silmarillion or the hobbit.
Ether way, the story is a master piece
Alright, the artwork for sauron in this video is probably my favorite
Having watched the rings of power i can confirm that Saurons true form is a scarecrow
Wish we couldve gotten the slayed sauron bit imstead of isildur flailing like a child
I like the portrait you used with the red eyes. Sauron's helmet is so awesome in the films that it's hard to imagine an unrecognisable evil
The books pretty cool because the characters talk with reverence about Gil Galad and Elendil managing to kill Sauron, two mortals taking down a god is a really cool concept, especially at the time that the story was written.
"How did the Dark Lord Sauron looked like?"
*Tolkien then proceeds to show the person a kindergarten drawning of Sauron*
I really like Peter Jackson’s interpretation Sauron wear armor - looks great
Peter Jackson levelled up the books.
The ring itself adjusted his size through time.
Tha Stuff in LOTR Is Based On Facts..💯
I really wish they’d do an animated series that covered the entire story from musical creation to the destruction of the ring.
I understood him wearing outside his armour but I never understood why he reached out to grab an already defeated foe lmao
Sauron, as far as I'm aware, was a great and dark sorcerer.
Thereby, he never did wear armor; or at least as much as he wore robes or loin cloth. Every visage he assumed was one of deception. Perhaps the armor we see was just another trick of the light, or rather, a trick of the dark; the dark of our own minds in the midst of his evil.
The principles that Peter Jackson embraced to ensure the production of the film took no compromises is unrivalled. And to think that at one point before production began there was an offer to condense the trilogy into a single film is almost frightening. So the saying goes: 'all good things take time' - which in this era is difficult to fully understand.
Who needs an armour when you are an immortal.
"You ever wonder why sauron wore the ring on the outside of his armor?"
Tolkien: "Sauron wore armor?!?!"
He's gotta show off that drip
Considering the ring is somewhat sentient, i wouldn't be surprised that it influenced even Sauron to show it off.
He put part of himself into the ring. Including his own huge ego.
Tolkiens art, the only official art of Sauron, does probably depict him in armor, as he seems to clearly wear a helmet while having non-biological shapes making up the shadows of his body.
Or that shape above his head is to represent the pure darkness and energy making up most of his being at the time, reaching out into the world with this body being a physical manifestation of thos darkness and acting as his "hand" in the physical world.
@@alhassirakhdugani5813 I think it is a helmet because theres a shade of grey right around his orange eyes, as if he is wearing a black helmet with eye socket holes revealing his grey skin underneath.
Sauron in the 3rd age is a reflection of Morgoth the same way many things from the earlier ages kind of repeat themselves at a smaller scale, for example Aragorn and Arwen being like Beren and Luthien, I think the shapes Tolkien depicted on Saurons head represent Saurons version of the famed iron crown of Morgoth. Sauron is the "King of the Earth" after all, I think it is safe to assume that he would wear a crown.
Movie sauron is dope too and frankly I think hiding how he looks like makes him so much more interesting
Just like Superman wearing his undies on his trousers
He was terrifying ! Take my word ☠️
The OG story makes sense. Especially with Gil-Galad and Elendil being important figures in the latest Rings of Power TV series. What Rings of Power COULD do, if they ever portray the Great Battle, Gil-Galad and Elendil could double team Sauron and everyone could be laying dying on the battlefield when Isildur deals the final blow similar to when Eowyn fought the king of the Nazgul when Merry came up from behind and stabbed him in the back.
One could argue he wasn't wearing armor. His skin was just armor-like, like a turtle shell.
If Sauron had made it a toe ring and wore it in his greaves. It'd be over for everybody. Lmao 😂
Actually Isildur did give the death blow to Sauron after his physical form had been nearly vanquished by Gil Galad and Elendil. This is the quote from the final chapter of the Silmarillion: "For Isildur would not surrender it to Elrond and Círdan who stood by. They counselled him to cast it into the fire of Orodruin nigh at hand, in which it had been forged, so that it should perish, and the power of Sauron be for ever diminished, and he should remain only as a shadow of malice in the wilderness. But Isildur refused this counsel, saying: 'This I will have as weregild for my father's death, and my brother's. Was it not I that dealt the Enemy his death-blow?' And the Ring that he held seemed to him exceedingly fair to look on; and he would not suffer it to be destroyed."
Tbh it wasn't like Sauron was wearing armor in the movies either, that armored Sauron was just his dark lord form in the movies
Sauron can shift between any shape he desires after all and what would be more imposing and practical in a battle than a gaint walking suit of black armor
Most of the questions about LOTR I've gotten from coworkers involve telling them "that was only a thing in the movies." Like Sauron being able to see Frodo whenever he put the ring on.
Sauron didn’t wear armour in the books only in the films to make him more intimidating, he wore the ring on the outside his armour so you could see it on screen
As with the Valar, the undying spirits who existed before the creation of the world, Sauron the Maia had the changeling ability. But like his master, Melkor of the Valar, AKA Morgoth, he lost the ability at a certain point to assume a fair and pleasing appearance. Both Morgoth and Sauron were terrifying to look upon.
Sauron lost his body when Numinor was destroyed. His spirit then flew back to Mordor, where he fashioned another body with the One Ring.
I have always held that The Ring, since it held some power of Sauron and having some shapeshifting abilities himself, that The Ring was able to change its own diameter to fit whenever “owned” The Ring.
Gollum’s long thin creature feature, to Bilbo and Frodo chubby body shapes. It was worn by human men, especially during Sauron ability to be a man-elf-whatever form he was able alter his body. Even if he was able to wear it over his armored hand, it always fit perfectly.
Hmmm I never put that thought into any of the other rings.
Every human has a different ring size, so I can only guess each dwarf, elf, or hobbit has their own ring size.
I guess each ring of power has some sort of ability to alter itself to the ring bearer.
Sauron just wanted to flash his Gold whole tossing some mortals around.
Sauron just wanted to show off his drip
The armour just looks dope.
I always thought this was a liberty within the written lore - as saurons visage was initially nothing more than a garment of sorts but become more tangible the longer he lived in it. Also the ring was less a trinket and more a vessel his essence so become almost “part” of his anatomy - almost as if grafted to him. Hence why on the outside as the “armour” was more like skin than mail
One drip to flex on them all 🧊
Man wasn't gonna hide his jewellery
Bet Sauron wishes he could be invisible when wearing the Ring!
Imagine Elendil from Rings of Power and Gilgalad slaying Sauron from Peter Jacksons Trilogy 😂😂
actually, if i remember it correctly, his ability to take a pleasing form was taken from him at one point. he COU:DNT assume the form of the "bringer of gifts" that suckered the elves into making the Rings anymore. He was trying to fill Bid Daddy Morgoth's shoes and overextended himself.
That armor in the movie looked cool af
For me I like to think he was so arrogant that he believed that none of these lesser beings could hurt him. Thous leading to his doom.
He didn't even gave him a lawnmower... smh...
Sauron wore it outside his armour to represent all the orc families who are underrepresented
The best part as a book is when the writer didn't give us any detail stuff. So reader imagination can take place to the fullest
He wears it outside the armor so we can see him wearing it. Easy cinematic rule "show, don't tell."
I wish Peter Jackson wasn't the only one to get a chance to embody the story.
My guess is vanity. He wanted people to see it, to see that he wore it. He needed that. For himself, and for fear.
As a shapeshifter he could have worn the ring inside himself and make it harder on the alliance.
Haven't seen anyone else say the obvious here. But Peter Jackson pretty much had to show the ring over the armour at the start.
The enemy of the films might be "Sauron" in name but it's actually the ring and pretty sure they say that in the behind the scenes stuff. Most of the film work and decisions were on how to get audiences accustomed to the ring and its powers. And so it had to be visually shown.
It's a movie and the ring needs to be seen because of the chosen medium.
Not everything needs to be explained with lore.
Though if you want, one could argue the scenes where we see Sauron-As-He-Was to be a work of imagination and whoever imagined that scene in their mind didn't really stop to think he realistically wouldn't wear a ring over his armor.