The real problem with Palm Oil.
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In this Our Changing Climate environmental video essay, I look at the effects of palm oil on the environment and deforestation. Specifically, I look at how palm oil demand has caused a huge increase in oil palm plantations. As a result, producers clear-cut, log and burn peatlands and primary rainforests in order to make way for palm oil fields. By itself, palm oil is not necessarily a harmful product, but because palm oil is now in thousands of products, the rate at which it's being consumed has caused deforestation and environmental destruction on a large scale.
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Resources:
1. The Devastating Effects Of The World's Palm Oil Addiction (Journeyman Pictures via UA-cam): • The Devastating Effect...
2. Once a Dream Fuel, Palm Oil May Be an Eco-Nightmare (New York Times): www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/bu...
3. Which Everyday Products Contain Palm Oil? (WWF): www.worldwildlife.org/pages/w...
4. Why palm oil boycotts are not as helpful as they might seem (WWF): d2ouvy59p0dg6k.cloudfront.net/...
5. The Palm Oil Global Value Chain (Pacheco et al.): www.cifor.org/publications/pdf...
6. Environmental and Social Impacts of Oil Palm Plantations and their
Implications for Biofuel Production in Indonesia (Obidzinski et al.): www.cifor.org/publications/pdf...
7. How palm oil ban has made the EU a dirty word in Malaysia (The Guardian): www.theguardian.com/world/201...
8. Half of Indonesia’s deforestation occurs outside concession areas (Mongabay): news.mongabay.com/2015/01/hal...
9. Two decades of destruction in Southeast Asia's peat swamp forests (Miettinen et al.): esajournals.onlinelibrary.wil...
What's your take on Palm Oil? Do you try to avoid products because of it?
Indeed I do but not to an extend that suits my comfort. But because I’m used to read the labels anyway (vegan) I just have one thing more to look out for.
But the products that I use since many years do still use palm oil and most of the time I don’t even notice it.
I do try to avoid using products with palm oil in. If I do buy a product with palm oil in I make sure it's RSPO certified. Though I am uncertain if the certification is any good or if it's enough. But I try to view it as a step in the right direction.
I don't consume or use anything with palm oil. It is so easy to avoid it actually. Just don't eat junk food.
I *try* to avoid it. It's hard because it's literally in everything.
What do you guys think about sustainable palm oil? I dont want to say I feel like a better person because I buy it but it feels more ethical. Is it even better?
Trying to reduce as much as I can.
I really appreciate how you always consider multiple perspectives and don't unnecessarily sensationalize the information that you share. This is how we should be discussing these kinds of complex subjects.
Thanks man :)
Great to see you here, Nathaniel 👌🏻
Yep, that's why I trust OCC more than a lot of sources. It's not always the truth I want to hear, but it's the truth!
Precisely.
Mmmmmmmmmmmm u say?
European and american talk about environment, but in the other hand export rubbish to South East Asia Country by container
I’m sorry Reditya Priatama, I’m reducing my waste because I realised that throwing “away” means that it has to go somewhere else
Yes the Western people who claim to protect environment and condemn palm oil are all hypocrite. they are keeping their own environs clean by throwing their rubbish to Asian countries, then they condemn Asian countries. Remember, malaysia retains more % of forest than any European country such as UK, France, Germany, and even Australia. These are all the hypocrites of the world when they condemn palm oil, while they have destroyed their own forests for their own vegetable oil farming, and they throw rubbish everywhere. They are full of shit
How many forest does the Europens have?? Brainwash people so they buy sunflower and carnolla oil instead.. Hypocrisy as its best.
Sorry. They do not send any garbage to Asian country. We demand for it. We use it for our vintage clothing, stuff animals, plastic container, car parts etc. If you want to blame anyone it should be our goverment.
@@adadri7778 No you are an imbecile. We are talking about trash and waste! NOT 2nd HAND GOODS!
we asian see its as a way to protect your gmo soy bean oil, corn oil, sunflower oil etc. yeah u can blame asian country for deforestation while you westerner can enjoy vast uncontrol development. in malaysia felda and felcra and others ethically handle palm oil plantation without compromise to the environment. so blaming all the planters in not the way.
bukan masalah peladang felda, felcra sbg tetapi perniagaan besar seperti Sim e Darby dan IOI - mereka menggunakan kuasa wang untuk membeli ahli politik
@@Touchgrassplz yup, tapi kesan boikot ni dirasa sama rata.
@@shahrilabdhamid kerana nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga. Kalau kerajaan nak jaga periuk nasi peladang felda/felcra dan ekonomi sumber minyak sawit, mereka mesti bertindak tegas terhadap syarikat swasta ini supaya tidak meneroka dan merosakkan lagi hutan liar kita - dan sebaliknya control kadar penanaman atau menggunakan teknologi sains untuk menaikkan hasil minyak dalam pokok (misalnya menggunakan teknologi GMO atau gene-editing).
Indonesia is the only country that practice burning the forest.
@@TheGamingAlong No, it is illegal here, what are you talking about? However, it indeed often occurs illegally due to a lack of supervision in certain areas. It is difficult due to the size of these lands and the size of the country to have perfect supervision over everything, but it is certainly an area the gov. is trying to improve on with new technology, i.e with heat-detecting etc. Currently, Indonesia's emissions due to deforestation has actually decreased, see Indonesia's REDD+ programme with Norway.
Could you do a video on synthetic leather versus real leather regarding sustainability and emissions?
Yes please!
Also, advances in non-plastic natural synthetic leathers like the use of mushrooms or pineapple leaves.
@Quentin T except that plastic pollution kills animals everyday so directly or indirectly, animals are being killed.
@@smu7270 yes, animals die by eating plastic because there is no food but killing animal systematically in an organized way is better, I guess
@@GarudAtma well, if it is between plastic shoes and leather shoes, I will take the real leather as they last longer. If real leather is sourced in better ways like trade with hunting communities, and as a bonus tanned naturally, I see no problem with it. But since I don't see that happening in the near future, then really innovative material that are leather-like but natural would be amazing. This whole 'vegan leather' nonsense when as it stands is just good marketing. Sounds nicer than plastic.
As mentioned in the video, palm oil is the most land efficient way to produce vegetable fat. Boycotting products containing it will only result in the production of more land intensive oil crops such as sunflowers. The underlying problem here as always is population growth, with most palm oil consumption actually occurring in Asia due to its relative affordability.
Its not population growth, it’s capitalism! :)
Without destroying hugely important natural resources for the sake of the 1% and 100 major companies polluting the world beyond imagination we wouldn’t have a lot of these problems. If big companies using palm oil would try to switch to alternatives or value environmentally friendly and ethical production, if needed with a minor price adjustment, you could produce how ever much you liked without destroying the planet and shitting on poor people. :)
Population growth is not the problem you moron. Innocent poor people in Indonesia are not the cause of the financially predatory behavior from first world countries that consume most of the palm oils. Did you watch the video? 90% of palm oil in the United States comes from just two countries.
Supply and demand isn't too difficult to understand. Humans need oils / fats in their diet and palm oil is the cheapest way to produce it. We could grow other vegetable oils, but that would use more land. Yes, Western nations need to stop burning palm biodiesel, but the growth in demand from the East will quickly take out any reduction in demand. There was an excellent article in the National Geographic on this subject recently which I can recommend.
@@JulianScott1 if you really think that CORPORATIONS that run these industrial farms base their production on supply and demand, you got lots more to read about sir.
Let me break it down. People need food. People want to eat convenient processed food. Processed food requires oil. The cheapest (least land intensive) oil is palm. Corporations buy palm oil to reduce production costs and stay competitive.
Of course, most vegetable oil in developing nations isn't actually used in processed food at all, its used in home cooking to provide fat in the diet where animal fats are often unaffordable.
If you could up with a less land intensive / cheaper way to produce edible oils on an industrial scale, the palm oil industry would shut down.
So technically the problem with everything we humans do is how we get rid of it in the wrong way.
Pretty much.
Alicer that's basically humanity. Solving problems by creating problems
the problem is that humans arent aware of their actions, we buy and consume without questioning what this causes...
...and we buy and consume too much of everything, we are obsessed of discovering new extra, super, ultra healthy formulas for us and planet but on the end it is just about to make corporations cash!
We need to go extinct or leave this planet in peace
If we replace palm oil to soya oil will it harm to environment too?
The level of sarcasm would is really high in this one.
Short answer... yes. Because palm oil have a greater productivity than soy bean which is used to make soy oil. A comparison of acre per acre is more than enough said.
If soy oil are to achieve the same level of oil production as palm oil. Thus, it only means many more plots of acres of land to produce the soy bean trees, in comparison to 1 acre worth of palm trees.
Well say! 👍👍👍👍
I had the same question (whether soy bean oil is better), and the answer about productivity per acre makes sense, but it actually doesn't address the reason that I thought soy might be better. From what I've heard, it's very effective to rotate corn and soy crops. In America, we already have tons of uses for corn so if we can find more uses for soy to allow for profitable crop rotation, wouldn't that be better for the environment and the farmer?
The government is very stupid because they know palm oil is bad, soya oil is ok because in Asia many people use soya oil because is a healthy been in Asia, but Asia soya oil I never heard people complain about soya oil only Palm oil is bad, and the government is stupid because, they know palm oil is bad for the environment and they want to put into our foods and let human eats to make money wow, very stupid idea.
@@Adventure-np6wi soy oil is horrible you ignorant freak.
You can also donate to charities that help educate farmers and fisherman on sustainable practices. Rainforest alliance, the nature conservancy, tree for the future, etc.
But blaming and shaming is much easier. And it doesn't cost anything!
@@bliepblooper2555 agree
@@bliepblooper2555 agree
I think we should minimize consuming milk/meat from New Zealand too.. Huge land cleared used for cattle grazing.
@Wan akmar 07
You are absolutely correct. Be a vegan like me. 🤓
Their forest is already gone. 😹😹
This oil( red palm oil ) is sustainable (because it has a high yield) and withstands high temperatures, without becoming toxic \ cancerous, like canola, soy oil, corn oil, olive oil and all other vegetable oils, and healthy unlike all oils mentioned, except for olive, it has many vitamins, natural from and used for thousands of years in Africa, the ancient Egyptians used, and considered it a sacred oil, and by people from the diaspora (such as north and northeast of Brazil), historically, for centuries europeans and descendants try to demonize it, it's all about racism, deculturation, and keeping cheap labor (in africa and south america and asia), it may change the african economy in the future, but today it is more produced in asia, a refined version, which is not healthy like real palm oil, but even better than all the oils mentioned, especially better than canola (this is garbage, sold as healthy by North Americans), and some Asians plant it in the wrong places, but who else buys it are processed foods\industrialized and cosmetics companies, Europeans and North Americans, instead of demonizing them (demonizing companies), white vegans and white environmentalists, Europeans and North Americans demonize palm oil, of course.
Growing up in Sarawak, a large state in Malaysia, I often travel long distances for family and my parent's work. The sheer scale of how much forest is lost, is hard to see for any one individual. My parents work in healthcare so I followed them moving from city to deep inland towns and villages to city. I have to say everywhere has been terraformed for palm oil since the early 2000s. From the seashore swamps of Miri and Mukah to the deep mountains of Belaga and Kapit(my parents were stationed at the west in my early childhood, the inland mountains during middle childhood and the east during teenage years and we frequently traverse the whole state for holidays because my parents came from opposite ends of the state). Every. Every district there are huge and I mean huge plantations of palm oil trees. Though now you can't see pass 5m into the plantation because the trees are huge now but when the land is still bright red and bare, the red soil goes endless. Now you can see plantation that can go on and on for kilometres just from the main highway.
Recently my uni brought in people from the palm oil plantation sector. It seems their projections will still increase for a couple more decades (25yr). That means more land will be converted for oil. They said they are striving for"balance" between the ecosystem and production. I did ask essentially what are the doing with the people who are planting more than they should. He said they wouldn't even have license for the plantation work and there are bodies that try to stop it. But everyone knows they do nothing or not even enough to stop anything. And for my question I got a bag of goodies with imitation Oreo, keropok (chips), and wafers.
Hippie powers of the 80s and 90s doesn't hold a candle to today's ruthless cooperation. Captain planet would be disappointed
Wow this is really interesting comign from someone who's personally affiliated with the land they use for oil plantations now. What blows me away is that you received a bag of palm oil-filled snacks in response to your question. That's like a punch in the face considering you're clearly against it.
@@nicktheavatar_ the talk was done with those in my course, biotechnology. They essentially wanted us to "serve" by showing work they are doing and encourage us to increase their production if we are hired.
I did not explicitly stated I was against them but more that I was concerned with the mismanagement out there. I love biology and the environment but also grateful for the prosperity that came over the years. I just wanted to know if they are even trying for the balance they said.
@@rynieryarom4277 that's heart breaking. My apologies on behalf of literally everyone over here blindly using these destructive products. Sorry and best of luck to you. Your brave for picking that occupation.
growing up in Peninsular Malaysia, I also experienced the same palm oil scene. The problem with us is our people need to have income first, environmental factor will come in their mind once they received proper education with financial stability. Growing up in Felda (a government incentive to promotes agriculture for villagers) cause the mentality to keep continuing and enlarge the palm oil business as the demand is there.
we have to find a sustainable way of solving this by not harming the environment nor farmers job. and also, please stop sending us your garbage, we have enough of plastic waste to deal with
Just take a look at Europe from a plane or on the map, you'll see every single peace of land is being used for agriculture to the maximum. And that's how it should be. That's how you get rid of poverty. Every time Malaysia and Indonesia export palm oil, they become richer and that's the real reason the EU is banning it. The environment is just an excuse.
Happy that you gave a balanced perspective on this issue! Palm oil is problematic when it is grown in the conventional way, but boycotting it is NOT the answer, as mentioned in the video. On a per hectare basis, oil palm trees are 6-10 times more efficient at producing oil than others like rapeseed, soybean, olive and sunflower. What can we do as consumers? Support products that use RSPO CERTIFIED Palm Oil, which means that it has been grown with certain environmental and social considerations in mind!
Thank you for this comment, I was looking for such a solution
@am py i see this as absolute win!
This oil( red palm oil ) is sustainable (because it has a high yield) and withstands high temperatures, without becoming toxic \ cancerous, like canola, soy oil, corn oil, olive oil and all other vegetable oils, and healthy unlike all oils mentioned, except for olive, it has many vitamins, natural from and used for thousands of years in Africa, the ancient Egyptians used, and considered it a sacred oil, and by people from the diaspora (such as north and northeast of Brazil), historically, for centuries europeans and descendants try to demonize it, it's all about racism, deculturation, and keeping cheap labor (in africa and south america and asia), it may change the african economy in the future, but today it is more produced in asia, a refined version, which is not healthy like real palm oil, but even better than all the oils mentioned, especially better than canola (this is garbage, sold as healthy by North Americans), and some Asians plant it in the wrong places, but who else buys it are processed foods\industrialized and cosmetics companies, Europeans and North Americans, instead of demonizing them (demonizing companies), white vegans and white environmentalists, Europeans and North Americans demonize palm oil, of course.
The yield per hectare produced by palm oil is 18.5 tonnes, whereas soybean is 0.4 tonnes per hectare. Hence, palm oil uses less land to produce oil which in turn would need less amount of forests to be cleared.
That's exaggerated, I actually grew up in a plantation. It's more less 5 tonnes per hectare per month.
Palm tree is actually a rain forest plant..We still have tigers,elephants, boar and different type of birds in the plantations. On the other hand Europe don't even have forest for them to save. Don't tell me they never cut down any trees to plant olive,soy or sunflower...
Okay but wouldn't you rather have a real diverse forest. Those plantations aren't nearly as diverse as the real forests.
@@khoenbell506 I agree, but why only show criticism to oil palm industry when other industries like real estate and factories causing more deforestation and carbon emission. An acre of oil palm plantation produce more oil than an acre of olive plantation. The really issue is the politics behind it. Europeans don't want oil palm market there as it will affect the market of olive and soy and they don't want something not produced there to conquer the market.
You are right to pick on Europe, we are very hypocritical but Europe is now on a mission of mass reforestation. My village is planting a forest around its perimeter, planted by the community and paid for by the government. We are going the right way, you guys going the wrong way and while I appreciate it is lifting you out of poverty, are you really going to accept the extermination of your native land to join the west? Capitalism is ugly my friend, we would all be better off hunter gatherers
@@khoenbell506 This oil( red palm oil ) is sustainable (because it has a high yield) and withstands high temperatures, without becoming toxic \ cancerous, like canola, soy oil, corn oil, olive oil and all other vegetable oils, and healthy unlike all oils mentioned, except for olive, it has many vitamins, natural from and used for thousands of years in Africa, the ancient Egyptians used, and considered it a sacred oil, and by people from the diaspora (such as north and northeast of Brazil), historically, for centuries europeans and descendants try to demonize it, it's all about racism, deculturation, and keeping cheap labor (in africa and south america and asia), it may change the african economy in the future, but today it is more produced in asia, a refined version, which is not healthy like real palm oil, but even better than all the oils mentioned, especially better than canola (this is garbage, sold as healthy by North Americans), and some Asians plant it in the wrong places, but who else buys it are processed foods\industrialized and cosmetics companies, Europeans and North Americans, instead of demonizing them (demonizing companies), white vegans and white environmentalists, Europeans and North Americans demonize palm oil, of course.
I'm guessing you mention shampoo and all the other products that have sneaky chemical names but are really all palm oil.
If you use the app Code check to scan your products they will tell you if there is palm oil in it, even if it's called differently.
People won't realize that palm oil is much more than cooking oil and bio diesel.
yes! unless you want to use pig or cow lard you are going to have to use palm oil. I truly prefer eating the lard and not rubbing it on myself.
www.palmoilinvestigations.org/names-for-palm-oil.html
Heres the full list, knock yourself out.
BTW if you know any chemistry, remember that there are a lot of derivates on the list. So palm oil could also be used to make an E-number, like E-491Sorbitan monostearata
This oil( red palm oil ) is sustainable (because it has a high yield) and withstands high temperatures, without becoming toxic \ cancerous, like canola, soy oil, corn oil, olive oil and all other vegetable oils, and healthy unlike all oils mentioned, except for olive, it has many vitamins, natural from and used for thousands of years in Africa, the ancient Egyptians used, and considered it a sacred oil, and by people from the diaspora (such as north and northeast of Brazil), historically, for centuries europeans and descendants try to demonize it, it's all about racism, deculturation, and keeping cheap labor (in africa and south america and asia), it may change the african economy in the future, but today it is more produced in asia, a refined version, which is not healthy like real palm oil, but even better than all the oils mentioned, especially better than canola (this is garbage, sold as healthy by North Americans), and some Asians plant it in the wrong places, but who else buys it are processed foods\industrialized and cosmetics companies, Europeans and North Americans, instead of demonizing them (demonizing companies), white vegans and white environmentalists, Europeans and North Americans demonize palm oil, of course.
Being from Malaysia and my parents being diplomats, one of which is working here in Germany currently I've heard about the complex situation of palm oil. I know how the burning of forests has affected us back home (I currently live in Berlin), every year we would have to deal with haze, and the smell of burning I remember back in 2015 school had to close cuz the air was too unfit to breathe and no one could go out and do sports. Though I think the burning of forests has gone down drastically at least (I remember my mum talking about an agreement about no more burning forests to make way for palm oil plantations), I know that the haze still persists back home. The complex issue now is that due to our last prime minister, Malaysia's economy is trying to recover from the huge debts he has caused and we are pretty reliant on palm oil as it is our main exporter. I do agree that western countries should probably help develop more sustainable efforts, since you guys are the one driving the demand. But with the whole mentality of not caring since its far away and its a less developed country so lets exploit its cheap labour (which has also been done with dumping the west's waste (though many SEA nations are cracking down on that too).
That's a really interesting experience, thanks for sharing! I'm German myself so I'm quite far away from the action and it's often difficult to decide what's the best and most ethical or sustainable way to buy or consume.
Who cares
32 000 Swimmingpools is a weird way to demonstarte the amout of co2. A comparison to a country or the amount of cars that produce this amount would be better.
But nice video, keep it up
I agree. I was surprised when he named co2 emission as the troubling impact of burning. I have done a lot of academic research in burning, and have never seen a clear greenhouse gas issue. I wonder if the reason it was in a strange unit is because it actually isn't a large impact (although there are many other reasons that burning is harmful and should be avoided).
when they hate competition. they just need to demonize their competitor
True. All these sudden "awareness" campaigns are propaganda to protect their business
When they can't make profit they bitching on the comment section?
RSPO or Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil is a great initiative from the different stakeholders in palm oil production chain, setting environmental and social criteria for a sustainable production. Products that source their palm oil from certified farms can use the RSPO certificate on their packaging, so choosing for these products really encourages the sector to make the transition to sustainable agriculture. Feel free to look it up on the internet, and use your power as a consumer to demand companies to switch to sustainable palm oil. Contrary to what most people think, Ferrero (producer of e.g. Nutella) uses 100% RSPO certified palm oil in their products, but they don't use this in their marketing, which really is a shame. If you want to make a difference, send an email to Ferrero (and many other companies) asking for them to use the RSPO label on their products so this initiative gets the attention that it needs! And always choose for products with the RSPO label!
Ruben Savels +1
Rapeseed and sunflower dont have any certified
So many certification in palm oil industry. As sustainability team leader in a palm oil company I do say we are more busy gettig audited and improving our company than producing oil. Lol
It is not the duty of Southeast Asians to clean up an atmosphere that was damaged by 200 years of Euro-American industrialisation. Even the palm plantations themselves were introduced by colonial processes, and it is the people of Southeast Asia who have suffered the worst consequences of the environmental devastation. The reorganization of land use in Southeast Asia will proceed differently. Although palm diesel will die, the conversion of mono crop lands to more enlightened uses will certainly embrace red palm as a central food resource serving, first, local interests. Southeast Asian products sold as commodities in the West without internalizing environmental costs will become staples locally, while in the West these goods will be distributed as luxuries that subsidise true environmental equity. This is the way non exploitative processes will undo the damage of the past few hundred years. Do you understand now?
No no no, you can't do that. We want all your oil, hand them over quick! How dare you ask for premium price and making your own economy!
Hi, I am from Riau Province, the Indonesian province with the largest palm oil production. In term of environmental sustainability, it is true that we need to increase number of yields per hectares. In Riau, some of this palm oil farm are mismanaged. So instead of increasing productivity per hectares, many farmers (including corporations) decide to increase the land instead cutting down more trees.
Back in 1990s, we often get a news of forest fires. But now in 2010s, the news is becoming a land slash-and-burn fires... because we barely have any forest left.
Though, I cannot deny the economy behind it. I was able to take Master Degree in Australia because of palm oil money earned by my father.
But, I do know it is not right way to do it in the long run. I believe there is changes in Indonesia, because in 2015, Riau people experienced their worst haze since 1997. Some people were died as well, schools were closed for weeks. Airports were closed for most day in a month. Economy was crippled... the mood towards palm oil will change among younger generation.
I guess Riau is too damaged.
It's great that you're discussing this, but by not mentioning it you do a great disservice to poor countries of Africa that produce sustainable and healthy "red palm oil."
Healthy is a stretch. I'd say it's not as bad as other oils but overall oils are not healthy so that's an unfitting word.
@@GregVidua oils are healthy. Fats are a better source of energy. They require more energy to consume than carbs. The issue comes when high levels of carbs are consumed with high amounts of fats. Fats cant be burned until all the carbs are done and usually they cause fat to be stored. Eating fat and cutting out carbs works to improve overall health. The government lied about fats. Its carbs that are the devil.
Too bad the other 10% is never mentioned. In Costa Rica palm oil came to replace far more devasting crops like rice and bananas, but due to its lowering prices, independent farmers are losing their lands, becoming part of the ever growing unemployed population.
@@xxaidanxxsniperz6404 Neither is devil. Fats aren't bad for us eaten in moderation but as average person has ruined their fat intake reception they easily over eat them. Plus huge amount of calories per gram of fat does not help.
On the other hand over eating complex carbs from whole foods is very hard therefore in time of food abundance it's better to recommend carb heavy diet to average person while some individuals preferring fat heavy diets can adjust on personal level.
@@GregVidua diets are so highly varied that for some protein is the best macronutrient. Both have issues but for me I can burn through complex carbs fast leading to an energy crash. Fats and proteins provide energy for longer and dont have an associated crash. I eat heavy carbs when I need to put on weight but otherwise I stick to protein and fats for energy.
malaysian here. currently the newly appointed government is trying their hard to convince buyers that palm trees are planted...sustainably here. the thing is, some does and some does not. it depends. and the gov started to take actions because the people told the gov that no this shit is not ok you must do something. hope, this will continue.
Malaysian palm oil industry is sustainable and efficient. They follow a standard method of planting. Just because other oil industries cannot match the efficiency of plam oil industry, they came out with certification to protect their industry. Small planters do not have the means to get their plantation certified but that does not mean they are unsustainable.
This oil( red palm oil ) is sustainable (because it has a high yield) and withstands high temperatures, without becoming toxic \ cancerous, like canola, soy oil, corn oil, olive oil and all other vegetable oils, and healthy unlike all oils mentioned, except for olive, it has many vitamins, natural from and used for thousands of years in Africa, the ancient Egyptians used, and considered it a sacred oil, and by people from the diaspora (such as north and northeast of Brazil), historically, for centuries europeans and descendants try to demonize it, it's all about racism, deculturation, and keeping cheap labor (in africa and south america and asia), it may change the african economy in the future, but today it is more produced in asia, a refined version, which is not healthy like real palm oil, but even better than all the oils mentioned, especially better than canola (this is garbage, sold as healthy by North Americans), and some Asians plant it in the wrong places, but who else buys it are processed foods\industrialized and cosmetics companies, Europeans and North Americans, instead of demonizing them (demonizing companies), white vegans and white environmentalists, Europeans and North Americans demonize palm oil, of course.
Palm Oil is incredibly productive, the yield you get vs other types of oils is massive and those other industries are fighting against it. Here he is only talking about Malaysia and Indonesia but doesn't talk about other places in the world that have been cut down for meat production for example. Researching about this topic I got interested in seeing if there is someone in America producing it in an environmental friendly manner. There is one in south east Mexico, in the are of Palenque, Chiapas. They recovered land that was used for growing cattle and turned it into palm oil plantations, bringing back moisture to the soil and some flora and fauna and other microorganisms. They even have the RFA (rain forest alliance) certification. So not everyone is doing business the wrong way. It sounds very hypocritical to only talk about this business and forget about other types that are in Europe, USA and South America and that also destroyed many forests to grow olives for olive oil or build new Cities.
I have stopped using any products that contain palm oil unless it says on the packaging that the palm oil is sustainable. The reason I did it was for the deforestation of the rainforests but if everyone stopped using products that contain palm oil then like you said, small farmers will lose all of their money that they invested into palm oil plantations. I think if some companies can use sustainable palm oil then can’t they all? If they can then we would be helping our planet and our fellow humans!
I really wish UA-cam had an awards system like Reddit. If there was, I'd give you platinum. You've talked about all the aspects and cited all your sources, and the video skills themselves are amazing. Thanks for enlightening all of us.
Hey OCC, how many percent of palm oil trees are owned by corporations? Thanks :)
palm oil is used instead of cocoa butter in chocolate. i hate the way chocolate tastes now except for lindt chocolate because it doesnt use palm oil
yukita nuna there are some chocolates out there that do not use palm oil. I would suggest looking into it, but I would highly avoid any kind of chocolate created by Nestle because they contribute to a large majority of the palm oil production.
@@vexillumvixen6054
No wonder they don't taste that good compare to other premium products.
I just saw a TV story about a German scientist who tries to use another oil tree which can potentially grow anywhere on the world. They just have to investigate on the quality of the oil and how to get the yield higher. Maybe something like that would be also part of a better solution.
That's awesome. Knowing humanity though it would either be universally invasive or region locked to third world country's who's fair wage laws don't exist. Still it could empower local community's to produce their own oil even more efficiently so who knows.
It took 20 years for palm oil to conquer oil and fat supply.
Maybe in another 25 years we will the result.
I'm from malaysia..and I strongly disagree with your video, palm is the main crop for this country and it's getting better..we are not doing open burning and we just cut down the forest to replace it by planting palm trees by adopting mspo principles .. your statement can cause many smallholders to spend every single point in their perspiration
That’s an interesting point. I think he did mention the problems for smallholders caused by policy flip flopping.
I worked in anti corruption for a short time in Malaysia and I do not really believe most politicians and the farming industry in Malaysia give a fuck. As people who know politicians personally beat up people who talk about what is happening in the rainforest without proper punishment for the violent attacks. If there is no enforcement of the law, there is no protection of the forest. I believe that maybe your friend and family care for sustainability, but most don't, because they do not have to. As a European I just try to avoid palm oil from now on, as the production seems irresponsible. Of course also most Europeans do not care.
If palm oil is completely banned and zero demand. They remove the palm oil farm and change it into other crops, say soy bean. Are they gonna ban soy bean too ?
Kalau ikutkan aku, musnahkan monopoli syarikat besar untuk kelapa sawit dan biarkan pekebun2 kecil yang kembangkan kelapa sawit.
Kawal penebangan hutan, dan cari tanaman yang tidak menekan hutan sangat. Kita boleh tanam kelapa pandan, atau kelapa lain di tepi pantai.
Semua ni propaganda sbb dorang nak protect dorang punya soy/corn/sunflower oils. Palm oil is more sustainable than minyak2 lain but somehow palm oil yg di demonized
As a son of a small holder whom his wages hugely depends on palm oil plantation, all i can say palm oil has changed our family from low income into middle income family. My dad can afford our education untill we went to university, better house and upgraded our life’s quality. Recent boycott on our palm oil industry, has affect my dad’s income so much, and he has to cut all his expenses. Those who are not come from farmers background may not understand and criticised palm oil. In fact, these crops has fed us and gave us education since we were kid. They should realised the one that destroys the forest mostly are greedy big firms, not small holders.
this is exactly what Putin talk when he criticises Greta thunberg's speech about climate change on UN.
So you're selfish.
What a selfish comment, I'm sure if you get rich because of the oil palm trees, you won't care about the balance of nature huh
@@arianaessaessa3653 so you will just let us small holders starve in poverty?
@@FaizalMostaffa sorry did i say that?
I'm just saying that you are selfish, as long as you earn more money and have a better life, you will not care about the damage caused by oil palm, right?
Don't blame the small holder you say, blame the greedy big firm you say, but didint that small holders support the running of the big oil palm companies?
Also, now the raw material palm oil is getting cheaper and cheaper, the world knows that oil palm trees have more negative than positive effect, as farmers be smart and start trying to find alternatives that do not destroy nature, you should learn from the Bhutanese Farmers, they care about nature and practice organic farming
Indonesian here , Choosing palm oil as a cash crops is a right choice because of its high yield unlike Soybean,Rapeseed,etc. Although heavy deforestation in Sumatra but indonesia still retain a high cover of forest in another islands even more than 90% of intact forest cover in Papua .
To stop more deforestation, Goverment must stop any new concessions and review all existing concessions.
Additional concession is really hard to get nowadays.
The logical way today to expand as palm oil company is to buyout other palm oil companies.
I guess the main issue is not how we can find ways to save the earth from ourselves but to find ways to restrain our greed and the ever increasing thirst for more our materialistic demand.
Its pretty sad. These problems would not exist if we respected each other enough to pay fair wages (cause then shipping would be pretty useless cause without sweat shop conditions the only way to make an assembly line cheap would be proximity (local), negation of inputs (nature), simplifying refinery processes (raw and efficiency) that and make our farms also habitats. But no greed wins
Today indonesia government stop giving the permit for big company to expand and doin any deforestation for palm oil plantation anymore, they only have to do a replanting, wich mean after 25 years, the palm tree get lowest the productivity, and you replanting it with the new one. and do you know what?, palm oil sector is one of the highest income for the indonesia country right now, every fcking single year. And also do you know what? In my country indonesia, here is a million people hanging their lives in this industry, some a worker for big company, some of them own the small land and sell the fruit into the company, and do you know what? After EU made a statement late 2018 about this banning idea, the price of palm oil decrease more than 100% and never get increase anymore, do you know what that mean? That mean million people going to suffering right now, this is just number for you, but can you imagine their children? Their family?
This million people also made the government of Indonesia, Malaysia,& another country that have palm oil income had one word and tell if EU just doin a black campaign into palm oil industry, and the banning industry is non-sense, also have political reason behind it, like u said EU have sunflower and another vegetable oil plantation, but is that really can cover the palm oil demand? the impact is very dangerous, can you imagine?
Im telling you something, palm oil industry is the one and the only industry that need the sustainable sertificate, the one and only. Mining industry? Not, another vegetable oil? Not. I know it sounds like we monopoli the industry, but if you do another research and you already told in the video, palm oil is the biggest source of oil more than other vegetable oil /ha. Its efficient, real efficient.
CPO Banning by EU sounds like them jealouse to our yellow, asian, that can produce a massive efficient low prices vegetable oil.
Right now our government working hard to fight against the black campaign made by EU, by making alot of research and tell the world is our Palm Oil Plantation is sustainable and have the same mission as UN SDGs 2030.
By the way im son of palm oil farmer, my father have 3 Ha palm oil plantation, very small one. Every month before the EU made banning statement my family income is some like IDR 3.500.000 but after the EU statement its only less than IDR 1.500.000 and today? Less than IDR 1.000.000 ( you can check exchange rate on the google), imagine how can live with it?
The issue about negative effect of palm oil is already fix by government itself, and i think its already finish, lets see the future by thinking the small people like us, stop spread hates, stop discriminating, i know asian look like monopoli the industry, but its not made by a night, its happen from 40ish year ago, there is alot of different president, a lot of different law change, a lot of different politican take the wheel.
but today we change it, we focus on it, we working on sustainable palm oil industry.
Please stop discriminating palm oil.
Its not resolving the problem, its not helping.
discriminating only make it worse, im dead serious right know.
I hope you read it.
South Borneo, 9 july 2019.
Alvind Alvind i am a malaysian.my dad works with a palm oil company and i 100% agree with you..how are we supposed to live?!
Alvind 100% Agree, please stop discriminating Palm Oil.
if so... it only means palm oil would become more expensives and thus the buyers would shift to canola oil, sunflower oil and other substitute, but......those oil requires more plot of land to produce. In addition to, the risk for producing in those oil in western country means that four seasons rules applies. If there is a failure in getting the supply of such oil in food producing market. The price goes up.
So by discriminating palm oil they are going to shoot themselves in the foot.
Kabut asap gimn tuh bro riau jambi sumsel kalimantan hampir smua apa sehat buat manusia
So we should let you keep destroying our earth our only home
just because a few people of the billion depend on it 😂🤣 can't you make car tires or work make instant noodles for me
Why is no one mentioning how smooth and fluid your videos are? Your animations are so on point. Top class.
Nice animation, now back to the real point of the video.
The complications associated with boycotting is something I’ve really been thinking about lately. A lot of products the global north has built unsustainable demand for are directly employing millions in the global south (like in the garment industry or tourism). I really like what you said about slow withdrawal & working inside communities. It always comes back to the question: do we need to transition to a sustainable economy as fast or as just as possible? Or is this is false choice & we can do both. IDK, but big issues start with people like you talking about them. :)
You mentioned a few things I missed about the whole palm oil debacle! Really like how all perspectives are considered here.
I think there also sustainable palm oil base product.
It’s really sad to see palm trees taking over rainforest in my country
But they built your roads, hospitals, and others arent they?
@@Djay_RX ...and?
@@vela7447 no and, just saying.
@@Djay_RX the palm oil industry is not the only thing that provides infrastructure to the country. If there's a more sustainable way to provides them, why not change it?
@@Eurikara17 how? Coal mining? We are talking about compunded lagging since colonialism end.
When Europe, that already chopped down most of their trees and mined their coal, just selling technologies rather than transferring skills, we are talking empty.
very informative. recently in Malaysia, an international school is being investigated for spreading some sort of palm oil propaganda. this video helped shed some light on helping me understand why it’s a big deal.
I wonder olive tress doesnt need land clearing before planting the trees?
Thank you so much for covering this topic!
Hey occ,i was wondering if you could make a video about 4ocean and if it's legit?because lately I've been seeing their bracelet everywhere
He did!
I feel that the key issue here is not so much on palm oil itself but how it is grown. Burning down the forests for palm oil plantations is a huge pollution to the environment, got to do it with more environmental friendly methods.
I live in FL. Use coconut oil almost exclusively (local high quality). Also, the oil can be harvested from live trees without environmental damage. The trees help the ecosystem and keep the tide from washing away all the sand on the beach heads. Bald eagles and at risk birds nest in them. We planted a bunch in my area with sea oats and sea grapes - all edible and create the base for ecosystems. I've thought about extracting vegetable protein from the sea grapes to sell as a supplement? No Palm Oil in my kitchen or in my complex.
How to save sunflower oil, soyabean oil industries?
Make Documentary on how palm oil is destroying forest..
www.wattophotos.co.uk/2020/08/what-is-palm-oil-is-it-really-killing.html?m=1
This oil( red palm oil ) is sustainable (because it has a high yield) and withstands high temperatures, without becoming toxic \ cancerous, like canola, soy oil, corn oil, olive oil and all other vegetable oils, and healthy unlike all oils mentioned, except for olive, it has many vitamins, natural from and used for thousands of years in Africa, the ancient Egyptians used, and considered it a sacred oil, and by people from the diaspora (such as north and northeast of Brazil), historically, for centuries europeans and descendants try to demonize it, it's all about racism, deculturation, and keeping cheap labor (in africa and south america and asia), it may change the african economy in the future, but today it is more produced in asia, a refined version, which is not healthy like real palm oil, but even better than all the oils mentioned, especially better than canola (this is garbage, sold as healthy by North Americans), and some Asians plant it in the wrong places, but who else buys it are processed foods\industrialized and cosmetics companies, Europeans and North Americans, instead of demonizing them (demonizing companies), white vegans and white environmentalists, Europeans and North Americans demonize palm oil, of course.
@@fernandodiniz6029 Thanks for the Info..
Which palm oil you are talking about?
Refined or Cold press?
There is a channel called "The Gecko Project" that shows us the true face of palm plantation in Indonesia.
Do you do the all the editing & motion graphics on these videos?
Nutella was featured front and centre at the beginning of your video but Ferrero, the company that makes Nutella, only uses sustainable palm oil and has adopted a no-deforestation policy. It would be interesting how they monitor this but it is a good step in the right direction to support farmers like the one you mentioned.
Your videos are so informative! I’m wondering if you’ve done any research on UBI and the impact that it could have on our global climate? With people not having to satiate Westerners, could we have a brighter future?
Mankind is facing true cost of comfort and convenience. Year 2020 and 2021 we are seeing megaheat megadrought unserten rainfall.
In the same time on the opposite of Earth, Amazon are being clear for soya farming.
"There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism"- something always suffers.
Another great video, thank you! But please reconsider the excessive use of motion graphics. They are very distracting and often add no value to the content of your videos.
Two examples: Minute 2:05 until 2:18 - these circles have NO MEANING but look like pie charts. You are talking about a percentage and my first reaction was "ah right, he's going to compare the Indonesian statistics to other countries" - but, no.
On the other hand, around minute 3:00 you have a statistic that SHOULD have been shown on a timeline (1990-2010), but instead the emissions are just, uh, switched out?
No offense and you are doing a great job and clearly have remarkable video editing skills, but for me personally, some of these animations are distracting and unhelpful.
I agree, I actually paused at 2:10 to figure out what the two circles meant only to realize they didn't really mean anything at all. It was a little confusing.
And at 6:40 I was a little confused with the lines outlining the buildings, I initially thought they were going to how how much the demand for palm oil has increased, but again they weren't showing anything.
Also how he measures CO2 emissions with swimming pools 😭 How does that even work. Maybe "an average US household" or "X miles driven" would work better.
unjonfeeld I was thinking the same thing. Great message with really useful stats, but some of the graphics were overload. Main thing is, though, great message. I definitely avoid palm oil.
With time, tend to disagree with WWF on many subjects. How can they say that lowering demand (by boycotting) isn't effective? How is waiting for governments and corporations to do something, or becoming an activist and risking your life? I've been boycotting many things in the last few years, and even though I don't really see the improvement on a global scale, I think it's the best I can do, considering the risks.
The WWF run a scheme called the RSPO where they certify "sustainable" palm oil. I strongly suggest looking into it because it seems to be failing. It basically allows palm oil producers to greenwash and be certified sustainable but there is very little actually being done to be sustainable and protect the local wildlife.
@@peachypie2962 I have never seen any product (snacks, hygiene) with a "sustanibly sourced palm oil" certificate. But, I do live in China, so....
@@Noukz37 It may be more of a European/American thing.
I am Indonesian. The high rate of deforestation in Sumatera and Kalimantan happened because government regulations and the implementation of these regulations are not strictly enforced
To slow down deforestation, strict rules on forest use for oil palm plantations must be implemented imo
In Indonesia itself, the government has received a lot of pressure from the community regarding this issue. Demonstrations in various areas have occurred many times. But the response from the government is low.
Also, related to this problem there are also many cases of criminalization and arrests of environmental activists who oppose clearing forests for oil palm plantations.
It is what it is. Maybe, implementing strick regulation over palm oil industry is the solution to its environmental impact
Here in Italy many brands have started to sell their products without palm oil and they put that claim on their packaging. But instead of this being seen as a step forward, most people complain about it, saying that they don’t care and that it’s “shoved in their face”.
The fact that most people aren’t aware of the environmental impact palm oil has doesn’t help either. They just think it’s been removed for health purposes
Hey Our Changing Climate (dont know your name sorry lol) where do you get your stock footage from?
There's many errors in this video which need correction if you want to be taken seriously. Majority of buyers of palm oil are in Asia not western nations, in following order: India, EU28, China, Pakistan, Egypt, Bangladesh, USA.
Yet palm oil starts nose diving after EU ban the product.
@@MuhammadIrfan-ye5zf, no official ban yet, if that comes into effect, expect legal WTO suit, and counter ban of Europe's products by Indonesia and Malaysia. Low prices now is caused by glut, and Malaysia's slow implementation of B10 biodiesel. Indonesia started B20 already
Nice. But you forgot to mention palm trees produces more oxygen than canola
If you try to look outside of the palm oil industry, the majority of global land is used for animal production. A famous new study has shown that if the whole world went vegan, our land use would shrink by 76%. So a reduction of the consumption of animal products would greatly relieve our planet, and would also perhaps open up new places for palm oil to grow? Of course we need to reduce our consumption of palm oil, but the most necessary reduction is about animal products.
i agree.
Start with the western country. They are the meat eater culprit.
Agree 100%
Oil palms are a plague here in Sri Lanka too. Politicians advocate for this plantation island wide replacing our rubber cultivation. Though more economically viable it ruins the environment and ground water supplies.
Water from palm oil field will have different taste.
Working in palm oil myself, the company is good enough to provide filtered water for domestic use
Rubber planters will always hv hard time to rise thier living standard. Its price is low...
Palm oil n the industries linked is an economic multiplier . Sri Langka goverment is moving the right way dude...
Thank you for shedding light on this issue. I would however like to see more solutions, because you mention that boycotting palm oil may not be the best way forward - so what should I do?
Palm oil is the most productive vegetable oil crop. Replacing palm oil with other types of vegetable oil (such as sunflower, soybean or rapeseed oil) would mean that much larger amounts of land would need to be used, since palm trees produce 4-10 times more oil than other crops per unit of cultivated land. This would result in serious environmental damage, with the risk that more forests would need to be converted into agricultural land, while livestock and beef production has led to more than five times the amount of deforestation, compared to palm oil.
In producing countries, millions of farmers and their families work in the palm oil sector. Palm oil plays an important role in the reduction of poverty in these areas. In south east asia, more than 4.5 million people earn their living from palm oil production. Stopping the production of palm oil altogether would create significant problems for these people who support their families by working in this industry.
Replacing palm oil with other types of oil is not always feasible due to palm oil’s unique properties as food ingredient. Using other oils would not give the products the same texture and taste that palm oil offers.
i am a oil palm farmer. small holder and maybe, after western ban oil palm, i will be a bankrupcy. thaks for europe and western becouse make our village farmer hurt and many people now desperate and be a criminal. (bad english from a malay village farmer.)
Europe banned palm oil???
u not gonna goes bankrupt.. China and India are desperate need it... cause the price is cheaper than soybean oil or sunflower oil.. india try to banned it.. but they cancel after few months... cause they got no choice... palm oil is dirt cheap!
@@LeeXuan88 for now. Just for now. Our oil palm price in safe level for us. I hope its can hold to future.
Asia is a bigger importer of Palm oil than the west. Luckily for you China doesn’t give a shit about the environment
@@andy199121 saying china doesnt give a shit about environment is beyond stupid, china literally the leading country that care about environment.
Just because u hate china doesnt mean u can accused china wrongly.
Goolge is ur friend
Your channel is so underrated! Well researched, amazing graphics and cohesive and easy to understand information. I hope you get your own show on VOX, that would make my life complete
And Full Of Bullshit...
How can you promote diversity in your community? From different categories. 1 Less discrimination because of your religion view. 2 Having the option for your child to speak a foreign language. 3 People who already speak a foreign language. 4 How can you promote a mixing pot culture. 5 How do you bring every walk of life to your town if that's possible. 6 The community to stop discrimination of some of these color of skin. #1-6 Questions?
Not in Malaysia though. In Malaysia the land used for Palm Oil Plantations are re-used. They were formerly rubber trees our ancestors planted. So no, palm oil doesn't cause deforestration. Well, at least not in Malaysia. Our government struggles to make sure of it. :D
Guys, I wanna see how much we can raise to donate to Tree charities
Use Ecosia then.
Sidney Boo
It’s better to just donate 100$ to Eden Reforestation Projects or something like that. I did that, and supposedly it planted 900 trees.
Is no one going to mention the threat of orangutans going extinct due to palm plantations?
Good argument. Imo animal habitat loss is always the least- concerned-about topic regarding deforestation. Many animals don't offer humans anything, so we aren't thinking about them that much. I know it is completely stupid, but the world is like that.
Is no one going to mention the threat & extinction to all of the wildlife due to western vegetable oil? Pot calling a kettle black.
@@sd8313 REally, interesting opinion you state as a fact. How many palm plantations have you lived on or visited?
We all have skeleton in our closet, this is just propaganda.
@@metalbasher820 True. Agriculture as a whole tends to be executed in such a way that harms wildlife no matter where it's taking place.
Hi could you make a video on how to tell if the information source is reliable and which sources to use
Please
i saw on google maps in europian are the worst than the asia, they same to cut off all ther trees.
I really appreciate that you are showing the social effects within environmentalism and how western changes can dramatically impact the lives of the people we source our resources from so thank you for including that. I do however think that you have simplified environmentalism by not looking far enough into the wildlife impacts of palm oil plantations. There is more urgency regarding palm oil due to the natural habitat that it takes from wild orang-utans, whose numbers are dwindling and may become extinct in the wild in Borneo very soon. This urgency has played a large part in sparking public outrage and attempts at not using products with palm oil in. I feel like this should have been touched on more to get a more well rounded understanding of the issue of palm oil and why it is a hot topic currently. Thank you again for making these videos I have been non-stop watching them, they are so well-informed and desperately needed.
Humanity's thirst for profits has destroyed our Environment
A lot of misinformation. U should come to see for yourself in malaysia or Indonesia
With the haze currently going on from forest fires to make new palm oil plantations, it's hard to see anything.
I'm French and it's a shame for me that my country accepts that Total add palm oil to petrol for car. Production of a bio-carburant with palm oil has begun near Marseille...
Parpaquetde Six your country should import vegetable oil from western country so they can do more deforesation.
@@metalbasher820 european union has put in places rules that limit palm oil use so it's a little more complicated for Total... I'm proud to be European for this time.
Brazil develop its own biofuel (agrocarburant) production... Beef+soja+biofuel+others= bad news for the Rainforest. I hope I'm wrong.
Parpaquetde Six you talk as if your country didnt deforest before. My country still covered more forest than your country.
@@metalbasher820 my country deforest during thousands of years (more good for animals as they have time to adapt) but now the surface of forest is increasing (slowly) because more peoples prefer to go live in city.
Parpaquetde Six my country still have more forest than your country have and the major culprit of deforesation isnt palm oil but illegal lodging. Banned the any timber product or woods from southeast asian will be the better move since we consume less wood compare with western country.
Do a comparison between all the oils available on the market and which is best to choose
great video and I hope your channel keeps growing!!
Again, super-stunning infographics and amazing research. However, this time, my thirst for a call-to-action or route to global betterment was not quenched. What shall we do? Demolish capitalism?
Consume less products containing palm oil, avoid uncertified products.
Make as much of it for yourself as you can, buy the rest from good sources.
@@marks9127 This oil( red palm oil ) is sustainable (because it has a high yield) and withstands high temperatures, without becoming toxic \ cancerous, like canola, soy oil, corn oil, olive oil and all other vegetable oils, and healthy unlike all oils mentioned, except for olive, it has many vitamins, natural from and used for thousands of years in Africa, the ancient Egyptians used, and considered it a sacred oil, and by people from the diaspora (such as north and northeast of Brazil), historically, for centuries europeans and descendants try to demonize it, it's all about racism, deculturation, and keeping cheap labor (in africa and south america and asia), it may change the african economy in the future, but today it is more produced in asia, a refined version, which is not healthy like real palm oil, but even better than all the oils mentioned, especially better than canola (this is garbage, sold as healthy by North Americans), and some Asians plant it in the wrong places, but who else buys it are processed foods\industrialized and cosmetics companies, Europeans and North Americans, instead of demonizing them (demonizing companies), white vegans and white environmentalists, Europeans and North Americans demonize palm oil, of course.
Demolishing capitalism sure is a great idea, but how?
Oil palm plantation area is only 5% of the total vegetable oil area but is capable of producing 30% vegetable oil which is much more efficient than soybeans, sunflower seeds etc.
I love this channel. But every time I see a video I'm like "ok, tell me the bad news and what else we are doing wrong" lol
The broblem USA and Europe can't produce the palm oil,
LoL
Theres no Sustainable rapeseed/sunflower/soybean oil certified.
But why europe bann palm oil with sustainable certified?
HYPOCRITE
Don't consume that shit anyway. It's toxic for your body.
I once backpacked thru the Amazons of Perú, my motherland, and saw the palm oil industry myself and spent 6 days on a boat with workers migrating for seasonal work on these farms. They were getting sick from the work but it was their only means to money to survive. It completely turned me off from western consumption and I spent the next two years avoiding all plastics and palm oil and toxic chemicals, it was such a hard time for me since this world is now saturated by petroleum byproducts. I have also volunteered with MST (movement of landless workers) and I feel that revolution in the belly of the beast is too far away. I watch these videos and feel so conflicted, I organize, I’m vegan, I believe in revolution and build up my community, and these problems keep worsening with time. Anyway for anyone who reads this, please become more active in this global struggle for freedom. We need revolution yesterday
I'm from Malaysia and i agree to ban palm oil.. i know many people make a living for palm oil and some use all there money to invest to palm Oil, i know because i see this in my place...
The real issue is The Rainforest..
Each year the government open large area of forest to plant Palm tree.
I was born in Sabah (Borneo Rainforest)
And i see that each day the Rainforest have been destroy just to plant Palm Tree and more forest gone will be replaced for Palm Plantation..
And the day will come that they will be no more Rainforest to see for your Grandchildren.
Well you can plant Palm Oil i just hope the government doesn't destroy the Rainforest..
Tidak lama nanti semua tempat d Malaysia jadi ladang kelapa sawit tiada sudah hutah Hujan
Do you know there is 100 of species live in palm oil plantation like owl, eagle, nice, chicken, etc etc because palm oil is a tree with fruits edible to them.
About 6900 less than in an acre of rainforest then
Indonesia, when r u gonna claim burning forest? Lol 😂
Your home
We'll be there right after it got abandoned
So if I understood that correctly, the oil palms aren't a problem, but monoculture is. Is there a reason they aren't grown as much in other places? Just that difficult to grow in other climates/soils?
In Malaysia, most palm oils plantation are conversion from rubber estates and while there are new lands open up for palm oil it is not as exaggerated as the number in some studies shown. In my opinion urbanization are mostly the culprit here in Malaysia. More and more palm oil plantations in peninsular Malaysia here has been urbanized into suburbs or factories.
I think that in a way our only available move as a citizen IS to boycott plam oil, even if it means detroying small farmers lives. Because i dont trust the big industry to move towards a more sustainable production on their own.
I agree.
I like it when a human talking about other human being life as a mere stats. Nice.
@@Djay_RX And what are we to do? Continue destroying the planet for the sake of someone's livelihood? I feel sorry for the farmers, same as I feel sorry for all the employees of my local power plant which is being shut down, but I can't see how can we save their jobs without making the planet and our children pay the price.
@@theclumsyprepper How about the europians and american start reforest their farmlands and australians reforest its desert continent.
@@thoriqziyaad5877 I actually think it's a good idea. We do need more forests. However I'm not a farmer nor a person of power and I cannot influence others.
I love Nutella,
Simple question.
Who loves Nutella? Thumbs up.
Daniel M. Bonar Manurung
There are tons of DIY’s Nutella on UA-cam and if ever made any of these you will never buy from the store again. Try pickuplimes, clean and delicious, deliciously Ella, downshiftology, just to mention a few.
shut up. who loves Nutrella
As a soap maker and in the community of soap makers this has been an on going debate. Those who use palm oil and those who dont. However most if not all of the soap supply companies we purchase our palm oil from only sell Responsibly Sourced Palm Oil (small family owned businesses who harvest and replant). By banning or restricting palm oil we are affecting many small family businesses who make their lively hood from farming palm
In my opinion we should build vertical farms to grow palm oil trees and other products. This could be done in the country that its use. So for example the USA grows plam oil trees for its self and only its self same most countys to minimise transport to minimise emissions. This rule should go for most countries and all products.
Please correct anything is I spell something wrong or used incorrect grammar. Thanks.
TRACY KIRK i dont think industrialising more the way we produce goods is the way to go. We need to do the exact opposite in my opinion and rather do a sustainable, diverse and nature-based agriculture.
How are you going to do vertical farms for TREES.... Are you joking?
@@goosty17 its heavy and huge but technically possible if stacked vertically with a glass window on all sides allowing light to shine on all trees (just not when the sun is directly above). fortunately some trees are tall but skinny or can be pruned to be such). Expensive certainly but humans have built expensive skyscrapers in the past so not totally impossible. Still I would disagree if the way to feed these vertical trees was anything like hydroponic cause making something dependent on chemical refineries sounds like a shit idea.
@@ghostbluster8900 Yes man people complain about
"oOOOOOOOOOOo there is not enouph farm land!"
"Oooooooooooooo the environments are being over run by farmland!"
If we just built our farms to also be able to support a habitat we would be fine. That and if we berried the excesses carbon in the atmosphere from those fossil fuels and stopped using them in the first place, that would be great. Look up "S.T.U.N permaculture" or "food forests". basically its like permaculture but it supports itself because its apart of a ecosystem. But building vertically could also help increase land surface area; so keep that tool in the back pocket if needed.
Malaysia's forest land stands at 67%. US 33%. So probably shouldn't preach too much about deforestation.
Palm oil is so efficient that our little corner of the world can provide for 90% of the entire world's consumption.
The trade off for palm oil is simply a less efficient, more land consuming substitutes.
in indonesia 52%, althought total land/population much times under USA.
Is funny you said that palm oil is the biggest deforestation issue.
Look, Malaysia + Indonesia land used are not even a quarter size of your european countries. You guys already flattened your land long ago and you guys keep quiet about it.
Hypocrite!
I think this video is made by those fossil fuel companies.
Yeah man.. 70% of Malaysia land still covered by greens.. 60% of them r still virgin forest
@@toophatbaby3671 are you sure that green you see was not the plam tree. Besides they dont want us to have same fate as their. Also it goods to get more enviromental practices than what we are currently do
@@raifikarj6698 they don't want us to have high speed rail network, advance technology, and ability to backpackering around the world? What is this, Colonialism 4.0?
@@toophatbaby3671 and oil palms sequester more carbon than the rest per acre for 25 years until time to replant.
yes they are afraid of palm oil industry
Can you do vid on sustainability in skincare? I think with the growing industry, it's about time this topic become talked about.
I think it's true what the WWF is suggesting. We should go towards sustainable development and transparent solution for the palm oil industry. Banning it will worsen the environment since the demand for the palm oil is very high and they will opt for the plantations with less yield of oil per acre to replace it.
Pls be proffesional and get the facts right. Cooking oil or all vegetables oils are primary Commodity and it already become fuel. Only palm oil produce high oil per hectare which is more than 3 mt per hec. Can be higher than 9mt with good agricultural practices. Next is Soy bean which produce less than 1mt per hectare. Rest of the vegetables oil need huge land bank and not even suitable for small holders. This why I believe a few Rich guys who heavily invested in other oils must have paying you Handsomely to talk about this and your jaw dropped.. Agreed?
I'm totally agree with you
After working in palm oil myself. I see how big the palm fruit from 1 tree and how we can harvest every 10 - 12 days.
Flower seed and soy bean requires a lot more land. And it is palm oil the necessary evil of modern capitalism.
New variety is found, Sinar Mas replanting and farming the plasma that can produce 13.8/Ha and 10.8/Ha. The first variety for sinar mas, and second variety for other.
and non GMO.
Now goverment make a replanting program and replace palm by new variety (Can produce 10.8Ton) for small farmer
I love palm oil estates because they help to feed people from Malaysia and Indonesia while at the same time it helps to absorb co2 and produce clean air in these 2 countries.
Why are you bad mouthing palm oil? You are afraid of the competition.
I see your point that trees absorb co2,
but the reality that most of these massive palm oil corporations use fire to burn peatlands as a quick way for palm oil plantation has created devastating impacts on Co2 emissions, damaging the quality of air in Indonesia and neighboring countries like Singapore and Malaysia. It has killed many in Indonesia alone and suffers others with pneumonia and other lung related issues. Its the greed of these companies that seek higher profits for themselves, yet they abandoned the people wellbeing and the environment.
And while I agree it has prospered few corporations, it has devastated many, creating an unsustainable business
and these reason itself justified the need to reduce palm oil usage so we can change to a much sustainable model
it is in our choice, to pick longterm sustainability of our race OR short term profit and low air quality
@@denistahar1542 the problem was the methods of clearing the land. It's supposed to do bit by bit not massively. This things add up with dry season.
Im Malaysian and I can tell you palm oil industry here is slowly dying. dropping prices and the govt doesnt really give attention to it makes it a downward spiral
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