How to make a Honda Navi faster [EPISODE 2]
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If you are looking to increase the performance on your Honda NAVI, this CVT kit is a absolute must! This would be my number 1 upgrade. The Reveno clutch set up is 2.5 lbs lighter than stock. This is literally unbelievable for a engine this small. Lighter rotating mass allows the engine to spin faster, resulting in much much better acceleration. Rolling Wrench worked exclusively with Reveno to make this kit happen. It’s now a reality. - Авто та транспорт
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It's been 7 months without an episode 3. Hope you give us more tips soon!
Great content, love this series so far!
The snow is melting off…. Soon :-)
@@RollingWrench I hope the weather is favorable soon. Thank you for the great content and products.
When is your kit back in stock? Or please provide the links to the suppliers to build this setup…thx.
When
I've been learning to love my Navi, and this vid makes me love it more with the performance possibilities!
They are fun
Would love to see an episode 3! Thanks for how informational your videos are
I got my Navi about a month ago and man I can't thank you enough for your videos/ help
Im actually in the process of getting a navi these videos have been so helpful especially learning about it
Hey RW! Navi noob here, thanks for the content! Just became a member to support your work, especially on the Honda Navi. Looking forward to future videos!
Duuude! I appreciate yoy
I’m thinking about buying a Navi and I’m going to do to !! I love you’re videos !
I've been waiting for ya to do some Navi stuff!! I jacked up my rear pulley threads installing the Malossi setup and the pulley is backordered with no eta!! I'm sad...But you cheered me up with the awesome acceleration of the Reveno!!! Felt like I was twisting that throttle!!
I have something up my sleeve for the pulley I think. Thanks again for the support
Please PLEASE! Do the air filter in next episode, change the stock one for a high flow air filter, i would love to see how it works in combination with all the other mods, and thanks for doing this videos man, we all love to see how Navi's are getting better and faster🎉
It’s coming :-)
Where is episode three !?!? We need it 😢
@@enriquecuro8277 when the snow melts and the temperature raise I’ll be back :-)
Can’t wait brother
Thanks for taking all the guess work out of the upgrade process.
Love your videos ❤ so happy you explained how it works!
Good stuff man. I get my navi on friday. I'll be following this build closely my friend.
Dope!
Great content, great info and great explanations 👏👏👏🍻👍
Dude that looked a lot faster well done simple clutch breakdown
Appreciate it!
I like the fact that you start with simple things and go from there
simple things cost money. The Navi is a 109cc slow scooter. It will never be fast lol
@@nascarman38n88 except they are, just because you want 160mph out of something doesn't remove the lethality of a bike that only goes 45-60mph
Bought ur kit really picked up btm end. Purchased my navi 2k out the door. Had 2 drive over 3 hours to east ridge rn bc local nc dealer wanted 3600 lol your channel is sweeeeeet looking forward to part 3
East ridge Tennessee
Niiice dude!!!
@@RollingWrench tks
Present Bro from the Philippines 🙋
Ok watched episodes 1 & 2, good job and of course it all makes sense. Start including pricing for those parts so we don't have to look them up. Gracias!
I stopped doing pricing in videos. Pricing gets outdated and if it’s higher then I said in the video I’m in trouble.
Cant Wait for episode 3
scooter man in FL says thank you for work sir!
Cant wait for ep 3, hope it's soon
Episode 3 is nuts! I have a EFI system in the works for the Navi!!!
@@RollingWrench When ya think you'll release the episode!
@@bobking7347 maybe a month. It’s to cold to test and tune with snow some of the days :-(
Part 1 and part 2 is awesome I was hoping for a part 3 because some guys change and put a different pipe on it and a air filter
It’s coming…. As soon as this stupid snow melts lol
1st time I've seen that kind of clutch,that is cool
Heck yaaa! You should feel the difference. You will never go back 😛
@@RollingWrench if it's available from where i am i'll get one
BEST channel n category!!!! 🤯😬👍👌👊🔥💥💢💫
Exelente video
Saludos desde asunción Paraguay
Like how you explain👍🏻 A+
Support from the uk 🇬🇧
Thank you brother 🙏🏻💯
Great video
I’d like to get the same setup for my Navi
It’s a game changer!
I hope you going to do intake and exhaust with some jets next
Very cool. Thank you.
Any chance we will ever see a part3?
I live in los angeles and im 5'7 155lbs and stock i get the same performance on my draggy as you. I will def try those mods
That clutch is my #1
Any plans to do exhaust/intake with your new carb?
in south east asia mainly thailand, taiwan or malaysia you can buy a pulley(torque drive) that has longer roller pin guides to give you more top end speed.You can also buy the half sheave of it which is the female part that fits to your stock male half
Good stuff as always matt ...😁👍 say bro what clutch would you recommend me for my Icebear Hawkeye 150cc scooter...? And what varriator...? Ok and roller weights...? Lol 😁 I'm looking for more top end high speed for open wide throttle road trips I'm normally riding open roads no city riding hardly
I would do a gear up kit and our Reveno ultimate CVT kit
I can see the difference right away. Omg. I'm picking my bike up tomorrow God willing and I want these upgrades immediately. I wonder if dealer can do this before I take her home. Scared to mess something up. What do you suggest
Yeah man that's freaking sweet
Heck yaaaa
Also I think I saw you on Broadway the other day I also have a ranger green one
_im intrigue about what carb you will put in that Navi. Episode 3 please. ty. fan from ph._
I really like what you got going on here, but is there anything like this for the Honda Ruckus? I purchased my own set of weights but that Reveno clutch is so much lighter then stock clutch I feel I need to change mine out. Hopefully you can help me out.
Hey I love your Navi series, are you still working on this. I would love to see some more videos on this bike. Also some more upgrades available through your website. Thanks.
Working slowly towards it
I would love to see different rims on the navi
Just got a Honda Navi few months ago and I have a TaoTao pony but I bought some accessories for the pony before I got the navi. will the gixal high performance racing clutch forthe 50cc Gy6 work some how? Maybe taking the springs out of that clutch and putting it in the clutch that's stock on the Navi?
Hey man this build is awsome I also live in denver and would love to know if you work on mine and if I could pick parts up from you man
Good stuff. Cool channel. Saw the Ruckus mod videos. How about getting the Navi up to 60-65mph?
Maybe??? But we would need a big bore kit and gears
Hi great 👍🏼 video .. can you please let me know when you will have the clutch kit back in stock thanks
Do you have the remplace for the maintence of this clutch?how Many miles for the patch replace??
Will ya swap.the cdi to a non limit(suzuki lion) and honda cub coils plus more loose filter exhaust (breathes a bit easier) ?
I'm also wondering if you can take the disc brakes off the pony and swap them out with the drums on the nabi basically just whatever I can use off this 2021 piece of s***on the Navi
where’s episode 3? anxiously waiting
Can i use a 1000RPM spring instead of the original spring on the navi?
I have a stock Ice Bear Trike. 139 QMB 50CC ENGINE. WHO MAKES A BETTER replacement CVT up grade for this set up. Maybe change the rollers and whatever comes in a kit.
Is there a air filter up grade and exhaust make couple horses
question: is there a slide carb that works on a stock gy6 50cc 4 stroke motor?
I'll get my navi on Monday, I'm waiting for it and I'm already waiting for episode 3, 4 , 5 ....... of the navy upgrade, I have heard that the suspension is not that great, i can wait to see a video of spring or coil and also on the intake or carburetor
Coming soon :-)
@@RollingWrench Woojoooo waiting for the next espisode anxiously
More navi videos upgrades please
Do you have a Reveno kit for a Lance (SYM) Cabo 200i? I'd like to start building it. Seems like a nice platform. Not much aftermarket though.
I was thinking put Reveno clutch on my Piaggio mp3 250 too but first need save up the money it's very Spencer! Rolling Wrench
I can get one for you. But as you know they are expensive
Do you have a gear ratio upgrade for the Navi? Need that for a top speed increase along with the other parts you offer.
i have 3 navis one has 12 gram other 2 are stock and one of my stocks ones is just faster period .built on a good day
Ya, that’s very common. It most likely do to jetting. No one engine is alike. That why when people ask what jets to use you can’t say. It needs to be jetted case by case
Will the Reveno clutch work on a gy6 50cc?
Would love to learn how to work on the navi carb as well to put in bigger jets and stuff like that for performance
That’s coming :-)
Hey Matt how's it going so I watch your videos here and there and I've noticed your high altitude as well I'm in West Virginia and I have been struggling with pilot jets and main jets What are your recommendation on what I should use for main jet and pilot jet
So far I haven’t change them. But I use jet drills most the time:
www.rollingwrenchdenver.com/products/scooter-jet-alternative-tool?ToPasteboard
I wish instead of yet another mini moto… (Grom, trail, monkey, supercub all new models 2021) they came out with a 110cc scooter… Like the zoomer X in the Philippines. A perfect bridge for anyone that wants a scooter a bit faster than a ruckus, yet don’t want the 70mph power or size of an adv or pcx… maybe some day 😂
They've been producing that exact scooter you're describing since the 50s..... super cub
@@ssavman supercub is not a scooter.
@@tylergoff1486 it literally is lol
@@ssavman oh yeah why is it in the mini moto section of Honda? Why is there a shifting mechanism? I know it’s not really a good example of a motorcycle but it’s not a scooter.
@@tylergoff1486 scooters can have gears lol. Plus it existed before the word mini moto lol
What is the gas milage you getting after these mods???
2.5 pounds savings on rotating mass is super impressive.
I know! Like crazy!
Hello. watching from japan.
Niiice! Thanks for the support 🙏🏻💯
Also I only get 74.6 miles to the gallon out of 110 miles to the gallon and they say it has a 0.9 gallon tank but I've done the math on mine and it's a 0.7 gallon, can I make my gas tank bigger with out changing the outer body.thanks for listening
When will you restock the cvt kits?
You need to run the doctor pulley variator weights and will give it more top end and smoother acceleration. Also polish the inside of the intake manifold to a gloss smooth like surface and run larger main jets. Run a performance pipe or cut and gut the original weld back together. run a high performance adjustable cdi box and coil.
We have plans for all that as the build series goes on. We are the only company to off a rev delete cdi. Next is our own carb set up, and we are working with Reveno on a new varitor along with our ProBld final drive gears and exhaust….. sit tight :-)
Thanks
How can I get more top speed on my pcx 150? It currently hits 64 mph then drops to 62 and goes back to 64
Would love to see you do something about the carb! I feel like that would really help the Navi out.
It’s coming :-)
@@nascarman38n88 joohhnnny… your missing the point.
@@nascarman38n88 not about going fast just about tuning and getting more out of the platform.
@@RollingWrench Missing the point of what? A 109cc scooter that will always be slow. waste of money without any real gains
@@vexgaffer Getting more out of the platform? More like wasting money on a 109cc slow ass scooter. Save the wasted money on a Grom
Just those 2 changes u made , definitely made a huge difference . Gotta get top speed to 65 tho so i can ride on highways here in Texas lol.
How many miles do you got on yours?
@@JoseMGomez-hg1hh sorry I meant like for his bike it made a difference. But I wanna see if he can get it to 65. Thinking bout buying one and make these mods...I live in a big city and drive constantly on highways .
This bike wouldn’t be a good Candidate for highway use. It has drum brakes and really low end suspension. A Grom would be a better option. 65 would be very difficult to achieve. If we wanted to make it hit 65, the only way I see that happening is with a big bore kit and gears. Both haven’t been produced yet.
135… not much
Mine navi gets 70mph and you ca take more ends speed if you put the TFC Variator
What u recommend for clutch for a 2021 ice bear mini max 50cc
Is there a governer in the front pulley..I took mine out of my bws ..
What adjustments need to be made to the CVT Cover in order to fit this clutch?
No mods with this set up. As you could see in the video it’s a perfect fit. Install and go, plug and play
If the same with my HONDA DIO 2021 alternatively they HONDA PCX/Click aftermarket clutch and bell.
Like your videos
Episode 3 ever coming??
Super Cool!
Thanks!
@Rolling Wrench I've learned a lot from your videos. It should really be me thanking you. Thank you. Edward Cabello Irvine California
Did you say you sell these clutch kits?
Great video!! Is the clutch that Scooter swap shop sells different than yours?
Up to this point yes.
@@RollingWrench Thank you for the clarification. The SSS one says you have to remove material to make clearance for the new clutch. Yours definitely seems like the better option!
@@4N2IN0JA this is the official Navi part. It didn’t exist before last week. So we did it a different way to make it work
Loud clutches save lives😆
Lol TRUE
It look like it still was the same speed just got up in speed faster?
whats the weight difference in the GY6 clutches? thinking about investing in the reveno for this 171 im prepping for right now
I did a video on the weight. Check that vid out
Would be cool to see a comparison to the NCY or S23 clutch's seeing how when you compare the cost of them all the Reveno is significantly more expensive. Is the extra cost worth it kinda thing.
Good idea. I’ll do that. There is a big difference for sure
Honda Die-O lol
I own a honda dio and its usually pronounced DEE-0H
I love 2 stroke scooters.
Would be nice to see a two stroke build from you. Love to see you discover the dark secrets of tuning a 2 stroke.
Wait till u see the old beat honda (vtacs inside)
Hey man I was wondering if you could help me out I have a 09 Zuma bugeye I just did a polini contessa bbk swap when I turn the motor over with kick start or electric start everything is fine no noise just compression noise but if I put a plug in the head I hear a tick or like a light tap or slap I thought maybe the rings didn’t seat right but I took the head off and checked and everything was fine I checked the cylinder and no scratches or gouges even if I barley thread the plug in I hear it but if I take it out there is no noise I deleted the oil pump as well it seems like it’s only when the spark plug hole is covered. I’m scared to run it any info would be greatly appreciated love the vids
Check the crank and rod bearings
Awesome!! So with all that done-12 gram weights and the lighter Reveni clutch; what is the new top speed?
Rollers and clutch is for acceleration not top speed. So there isn’t much gain. For top speed you will need transmission work.
What fuel are you running? Sounds like you got a slight spark knock down low, but goes away after you get up to speed, maybe a octane Boost can help, I had luck with the race gas concentrate, you only need enough octane to prevent knock, any higher it can actually hurt power,
I can get by with 90 octane non ethanol fuel, in my 50mm bore gy6, I have a gy6 150 ruckus , I'm not sure if it's a clone, someone has painted it, and put decals on it says ruckus, but has a gy6150 engine , I have a new engine, but it's a short case, I need long case, I'd swap , the half of the case, but someone has taken the gears out. And they are missing, along with the CVT, the engine may be good, they may just ate a gear or bearing in the gear box, in thinking about doing the spray on bed liner on the ruckus maybe, I also have another Chinese 150, I'm thinking about building a reverse trike out of it, and putting a roof on it, and wind shield, so I don't have to worry about the rain,
I been thinking about figuring a way to swap one of the tiny Japanese superchargers on to about 271cc engine, keep the compression kinda lowish, 150 psi est. And run about 5-8psi boost, no more than 10 without cooling, maybe running a long case, with 10" rim would make room to mount it, it would be awesome to get close to 30hp , going from 8hp to 30hp is doing a bit, it may require more than 200cc, and 10psi to do it, but with a cam, heavily ported head, larger valves, not really larger ports, but we'll thought out porting, with flow testing, it may be something not really street able, getting 30-40 HP from a tiny engine, 180psi compression, and 15-20 psi boost, running 110 octane race fuel, haha, I'm not paying over $10 gal, for gas, just because, even if it made that kind of power, if I can't run it in 93octane, with a bit of race gas concentrate if needed, basically 98-100 octane, I'll dial it back a bit, detune it, I figure my little 50/81cc china scoot is making 5-6hp possibly close to 7 HP, the only thing I can think to get more power from it, would be boost, of cut the head or jug, to get higher compression, without spending a lot of money and getting crazy,
As in welding up the case drilling and tapping so a 150cc jug and head will fit, going to a 57mm bore, it would probably require bushings pressed in the pistons, for the 13mm pin, maybe they can have a piece of mind, by using another c clip maybe machine it out larger, making more room to retain the bushing, this can be offset to raise or lower the piston height, to better fit the jug, on the 50cc case, using a 150 top end on a 50, I don't think I'd go to as large as 60 mm bore, seems there is a 58mm, 60-61mm bore kit, I'd definitely lighten the piston as much as possible, there is a lot of weight to be removed by just smoothing the back side of the piston, and feathering the skirt, I got my 50mm piston to weigh about the same as the 44mm piston, so far it works fine, I really need about 10hp, I'm going to build another 50, with a 52.4 bore, and large valves, and try the 22mm carb I have, I'm going for all the compression this time, 200psi, as long as the valves clear, I don't think the timing chain will be a issue, the 20/23 mm valves are a good bit larger than the stock 16/18valves! 5mm on the intake, 3mm= 1/8" it's not far from 1/4" larger, it makes a big difference in power, about 5-8mph on top end, it gets to 40-45mph much faster, actually before it peaked about 40 on flat land with the stock valves, now it's about 50, and a good bit more if it's the slightest down hill, it does need CVT tuning! Sorry to ramble!! Keep up the awesome,, 😜
We use 91 octane. This isn’t a high compression motor. It’s the typical Honda engine. Over built under powered for fuel economy and reliability. The stud spacing on your qmb139 will never accept a qmj157 jug unfortunately:-( it would be best to just use the actual qmj157 in your bike by modifying the correct motor mounts
So your acceleration is up with upgrades but how much are you losing on your top speed?
My max speed flat surface with no wind is about 51mph
13 gram roller weights, 1400 rpm contra spring and RDR clutch bell, granted I do have intake, jets and exhaust. I also have heard 15 gram rollers and stock contra spring is the happy medium… nice video keep it up 👍
I haven’t experimented to much with top speed yet. But I definitely didn’t loose any in the small testing I have done so far. I have had it to 53 with this set up, I wasn’t pushing it to hard. The engine still only has 135 miles on it. I will do more of that testing as time progresses.
54 on all three of mine oh did i mention behind a big truck
@@wayneritchie3860 👍 I bet if you tuck down in race mode you could hit 55 mph behind that big truck lol fun little bike and comfortable for what it is, save your pennies and just buy another bike if you want to hit 55+mph after you buy the Navi of course!
Where do I go to buy the parts in the video?
Great video, thank you 😃
Do you anyone here in Dallas, TX that can install this upgraded set for this girl? 😜
You can do it your self fairly easy
Tak!
Just showing a little gratitude for my call fore help (sos) to you bro and for your quick reply back❤💪👌 as well as for the "little almost book" I in my frustration sent back to you, I hope with all my heart that it doesn't was too much (Or it was, I know that, it was a bloody little novel you got there)!🥵🤯sorry bro, hope you got through it without falling asleep too many times! I was and still am completely floored by the answer I got from the tuner shop! I don't know if I'm going to live with a scooter, my little dog can run faster than my mind can handle! especially when used to driving the Yamaha R1! So bro, your knowledge about this KYMCO agility 16 + 50 cc 4 T is missing more than ever! and hope you have a solution! Otherwise have to sell it! Which probably loses a 5/6000 kroner! What a brand new machine I have now driven 120 km on! And then search the country for a super 8 2017/18 that does not have the EFI SHIT SYSTEM! RESPECT Sean Denmark 🤯🙏❤💪
With the stiffer spring, do you not need heavier weights in the variator?
It’s all a balance. These 12g with the 8% spring is peeeerrrfect
If I do this mod I don't have to the roller mod right?
I wish Honda sent us the 110cc Zoomer instead of the 110 Navi.
The Zoomer looks like a larger Ruckus.
I see them all over SE Asia.
It just looks better and easier to inspect and maintain.
Do have one question is there a difference with the choke cause I see that you have yours on full choke and not pulled back to normal ride position? Does it effect performance
You only want the choke on when the engine is cold. Otherwise it will run terrible once it’s warmed up.
CHOKE izza. LITERAL term
I like your videos bro i hit 70mph and with your help we can catch more speed im shure 🖖
Not on a Navi right? 70 on a GY6 correct ?
Navi bro the navi Variator have 106mm but the belt not go up and the malossi Variator have 104 mm the tfc Variator have 106 mm but the belt goes up
@@jorgegonzales6345 tfc variator?
Does that variator even fit the Navi?
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I live in a hilly area, is there any clutch mod that you know of that allows the bike to freewheel down hills?
Not for the Navi. I would be worried down hill with no engine braking and drum brakes 😬