A ton of people have asked about audio routing on this interface. Yes, you can send 2 stereo (or 4 mono) channels from AUM back to the laptop. You have access to all 4 analog inputs on both USB devices you connect, plus 2 stereo (or 4 Mono) channels of the other device's audio output. The full details of possible configurations and layouts for audio routing are available starting on page 13 of the iConnectivity Audio 4c manual: static1.squarespace.com/static/58976aeee6f2e12da0026d7f/t/60e5b6d06b6d281dcf74f8ca/1625667314724/iConnectivity+AUDIO4c+User+Guide.pdf
If you ever want to try extremely portable setup - Macs and iPads are compatible for sending audio and midi to each other with only a cable, no external gear needed :) In order to set it up after connecting iPad you have to pair it as an audio interface in sound settings, not hard at all! It's kind neat and works well. Great video - learned a lot :) Cheers
You're right - that is possible! I've not tried it myself, but have heard of others doing it. I prefer this interface for the purposes of connecting external gear with the analog ins/outs, MIDI DIN ports and also the USB hub. Thanks for watching!
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 ...even then, if you get to need it... maybe while traveling: you can connect it, as @milymlody mentions, and then, any USB hub to your Mac and voila, everything is connected (without the interface). There is a wireless way too, but I havent tried it yet, only as a remote for Logic Pro X (with which works perfekt)
@@MarcoPolux yes, it is possible to send iPad audio and midi directly to Macs with a cable, but as far as I can tell, you can't send audio back to the iPad from the laptop - there are only inputs into the aggregate device, not outputs back to iPad. this is the main benefit of the iConnectivity device that I've found - the bidirectional transfer of audio and midi. If you only need to send sound and midi from iPad to laptop, it's a great solution to just plug straight in though!
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 you know your game. I haven't need to send sound to the iPad, au contraire... the iPad I most use it to produce when traveling and when I get back, I send everything to the MAc to finish it in Cubase. But your setup is very cool and light 👍 (that is what land me on your page, looking for new ways to create)
Hearing you like that interface makes me rethink my experience. I got one used for the same reason of multiple hosts, but ended up sending it back due to noise crackling issues. Maybe worth another go with a new unit!
Yeah, the older models weren’t too great…software was buggy, quality was suspect. I had an older one too, but this new 4c model is much more dependable. Recommended!
I have so many ipad apps... and hardware... that I just don't know where to start! Each app requires dedication to learn and bringing multiple apps into AUM is a nightmare... I need a reset. Nice jam :D
This is an amazing video providing a seamless integration between your laptop and the iPad. Never heard of this audio interface that you use and it might be worth it to simplify the process of using 2 interfaces. I also appreciate you talking about some of the apps that I never heard before. One thing I'd love to see if you have the time, is a detail look at the configuration between Ableton and AUM for both MIDI and Audio. This is a no brainer so I just subscribed. Finally, that music was great. Thanks so much!
Thank you for watching, happy to share ideas! I may indeed do a 2nd video addressing some of the questions I got on this one. But basically, if you use the MIDI routing control within AUM and point the MIDI to the laptop, then Ableton will automatically receive that MIDI on whatever channels you've specified.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 thanks so much for your video it’s awesome and it convinced me to buy an audio 4c. I am having trouble getting it set up with both ableton, aum and the i connectivity software all communicating with each other. Basically I’m new to this so it’s a steep learning curve, if you could do a follow up video taking us through the settings on each of those different interfaces it would be incredible! Thanks!
Buddy of mine pointed me in the direction of this video and it has been super profound and helpful for my current situation. Also lovely music, picked up impulses a little while ago and what I great release. Take good care Sam
Thank you so much for your time and kindness on putting out this helpful video. Hearing your music and seeing your creation process is always so inspirational. Cheers!
This is such a compelling setup that I basically swiped it wholesale for my new studio. 🤣 I added an HX Stomp for dedicated guitar input into the Mac via USB, and I’ve got a couple of pedals set up as outboard processors using the I/O on the 4c. Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge on this!
I love to hear that, ha! It's an amazing setup and so flexible. Glad to see more people bringing iPad into the equation. Thanks for the kind words and for watching!
Thanks for the a complete rundown.. I've been considering iPad integration into my hardware setup for a while. Now I have a fairer idea of what to expect :)
Really well put together video. Thank you. The iConnectivity Audio4c is something else, the USB support/interconnectivity really sets it apart. Their promo video is a hoot!
@@iConnectivitySupport Spent weeks researching your gear & I just bought the 4C as I can see the Love is strong :) Mixing in/out from AUM via 12? channels into Ableton seems too good to be true :) Cant wait to manipulate the midi via NI Studio, Jam & my M32
Thanks for showing how to connect the dots across various apps in a musical way... I am just thinking what if you add Gestrument on top of this setup. 🙂 It will be heaven..
Subscribed! Nice thorough tutorial! UA-cam needs more videos of setups with iPads and the vast ocean of interfaces. I had 2 of the original iConnect 4+ aggregated in Mac OSX and an iPad. Back then iConnect even had a full on app to control the iConnect. I still own one of the iConnect 4+ but the preamps crapped out years ago and I’m still debating what to do with it. 😢 Looking forward for more iPad setups 🎉
Thank you! I also had an old audio4+ (or whatever that model was called) before the current 4c. Went through 2 of them because of hardware failure. The iPad-based workflow has changed the game for me.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Wow 2 iC4+? Now I feel better. I sent back one for repair because of the touch control LEDs in the front. I’m weary of getting the later USB-c model because of former issues. Maybe If they bring back the iPad app, I’ll consider it.
This is great content, thank you! As someone new to the game I've been having lots of fun playing with some amazing apps on the iPad and learning Ableton but haven't dug into connecting them yet but you've got me excited to get to it!
Really happy to have stumbled across this. I explored a similar setup. The drum sounds you can achieve in Ableton (Addictive Drums) are unparalleled on ipad but no better looper around than loopy pro so blending the two is ideal. Up to now I've been using two interfaces, flirting with idea of iconnectivity. Now you have confirmed its ease of use I'm sold. Beautiful, tasteful composition.
Glad to hear it! Yeah, I was initially hesitant about the iConnectivity interfaces because I had never heard of the brand before. The software on the earlier models was a little rough, but they’ve made improvements on this new one.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 I had so many problems with my older one, had to give up on it. But the idea is so awesome. Happy to hear that the new one is great, will have to try it next time I upgrade.
Great tutorial. I connect my iPad to Mac via cable to use it as an audio interface into Ableton as well as a MIDI controller with IAC driver, but this is a cool setup. I have invested so much time into Ableton that learning these iPad DAWs will only distract me. I will play around it at some point
Oh wow, I was coming up with a complicated setup for routing audio out of my iPad with two interfaces or a mixer with audio out for each track, instead of exporting audio into ableton or fl studio, but this is way cheaper than what I was thinking. I do need a new iPad though, mine is showing its age
It’s an excellent combo and takes seconds to set up. Sampling direct into the Digi is worth the price of admission, let alone all the other possibilities.
This is very helpful, thanks so much for this video! I've been using two audio interfaces in my workflow (where I use iPad and Ableton on my macbook), but your set-up looks so much easier/less stressful, especially when it comes to perfoming live. I love AUM, Loopy Pro and Samplr, and there are so many great FX-apps!
Great to hear from you, Julia! I was using 2 interfaces for a while, too. I still haven't seen any other interface with 2 ports like this one...it would be nice if more manufacturers gave it a shot. iPad is indeed amazing! We have so many great tools to choose from now.
Yeah aside from the Adat on interfaces, I think Motu’s AVB interfaces can route to several computers/ devices, plus their interfaces have on board DSP. 😮I’ve always wanted to try it out.
I’ve been waiting FOREVER to see someone else doing this setup in this way. I suppose it was common sense and I ended up using things almost identically but earlier on using iPad and earlier in my Ableton use it seemed so doable but was very difficult to put together
loved what you do here! really inspirational to see! I guess that the audio 4c really allows for the latency free connection possibility to this all to happen no? I've been trying to find a cheaper alternative but have a hard time finding it.
Thanks! Yeah, I find the Audio 4c to be a lifesaver. It's not perfect, but is by far the quickest/easiest way to run this kind of setup. I've been looking for similar devices for years now, and there still isn't anything that does exactly what it does. The Lewitt Connect 6 doesn't have as many ins/outs and buying 2 interfaces is clunky.
Hi Andrew :) I'm about to consider a Nearly new audio4c. I use WIN 10 (Kept the updates away from destroying my stable Audio PC set up) I run everything you use (We are twins) Just checking that the send to Ipad Audio feature is going to still work? The flow of back/forth audio is just too attractive for fast set up music production without the hassles. (I have new/old MIDI equipment running through a mixer also - Wavestate, Norns, EMU2500, X2 KORG M1R, YAMAHA FBO1, etc ) I also have a spare iphone 7 so want to connect that as most of the music apps work well on it (and no need to get 2nd license) Can you advice me on best set up for that within the audio4c environment. (I presume power will be via the camera connector dongle from the powered USB port extension?) Any tips on running 2 apple devices would be great ! BTW your other videos are superb, your so clear in your advice/tips/enthusiasm, its like breath of fresh air.
thanks for the kind words! sorry for my delayed response. 1. yes, I believe the interface will work just fine with Windows. 2. iPhones will work fine with the interface. You'll just need to connect to one of the USB slots using the apple camera connection kit. It will be given power through USB2 specifically, if you connect it there. Hope this helps! Enjoy!
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Hi Andrew Its arriving Tuesday & I am stoked. I also investigated the O/S Iconnectivity apps on the Apple store that got updated to this model using the old matrix routing so I will be testing everything. I tested ASIO4ALL today on my Audio Pc (Scan Computers, Custom built for HD recording) and I hope to add & test the iC4c into the overall input mix as I need more inputs for my Ext Hardware. You are an inspiration - who inspires you with their Ipad music?
At Last I got the 4C - Game Changer. I was worried about the FB group iConnectivity comments saying about click & noise but Quality is way better than Steinberg UR44 (Class compliant) Also way better on the headphone output as I had to buy a headphone amp to power my 250 OHM (Studio) 770-PRO's but no need on this device ! (Its REALLY loud !). Took me hrs to figure out the IN/Outputs in AL but got there in the end. Have not tried splitting the midi yet and still confused on that one. Please can you do an A/Live Video showing your mix template please? Or Can you provide the AL Template as I use same apps ! Thank you sir...I have watched you video 20 times at least and it still blows me away on what you have discovered and the music is Wow !
Thanks so much for watching! Glad to hear you are enjoying the Audio 4c. Yes, I'll do a video sometime that outlines the settings and details of the routing. I wrote about this a little bit on my blog today: open.substack.com/pub/andrewtasselmyer/p/addendum-how-i-use-the-ipad-with?r=2chjaj&
AWESOME!! great video, great music, great news 'cause we've waited too long for a "double daw" set!!! I love AUM, Koala Sampler and Samplr most of all, and now there's the chance to put all this directly in LIVE or vice versa! I only found the 'Antelope Zen Go Synergy Core', no other audio interface, that has got 2 usb input, but I'm not sure it has the same capabilities of the Audio 4c ps. what about two computers, or two ipads, or two iphone? I mean: laptop+ipad is not the only combination possible, is it?
thanks for watching! yes, it's an exciting way to work. you can connect any 2 devices in whichever combination you want. Can be any of the ones you listed.
Hello Andrew, this video is GOLD!!! It brought me immediately many answers! I’m considering switching to iPad with most of my music work - wiriting, composing, producing and stage. I’m wondering what would be the minimum storage you recommend? How do you deal with keeping samples and where do you keep them - in Ableton or also on the iPad? How much memory do I need just for a variety of apps like yours? Thank you in advance for answering these questions!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching and for the kind words. I use a 2021 iPad Pro (11”) with the base level of storage (128 gb) and that’s fine for me. Even with a huge number of apps Ive only used 50-60% of the storage. I make sure to clean out old photos and videos to free space. I don’t store many samples locally on the iPad - I keep most of those in Dropbox so I can import them to Audio Share on the iPad, or on external hard drives to import to Ableton live when needed.
Interesting. I wonder if there is a cheaper way to get the bidirectional sending audio and MIDI. That sounds really useful but since I already have an Apollo interface I don't want to buy one just to get the iPad and Ableton to communicate in this way. So how do you then save projects? Do you save them in AUM and Ableton at the same time?
I know you can connect an iPad directly to a laptop and send MIDI and audio *to* the laptop, but to my knowledge, not the other way. I am not sure if there's a similar product that does what this interface does in exactly this way. Would be great to know, though.
I got one circa 2010 and it is awesome ! Thanks to this video! So many great ideas. Thank you. To sample from laptop into samplr, which channel do you choose ? Or do i route it with iconfig?
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching. To sample your laptop connected to USB1, choose input source “input 5/6” in samplr. That’s the main output of USB1.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 thank you so much ! Your approach to music composition and synthesis is so smooth. As an artist you have inspired me to the nth degree. I'll be in touch! Thanks for your time!
Hi Andrew, I really enjoy your videos and find them very inspiring! I have a question: if I want to connect a computer, iPad mini 6, and Microfreak to an audio interface at the same time, with the computer running Live and the iPad running AUM with other effects apps for the Microfreak FX, can I use the Lewitt Connect 6 instead of the Audio 4C to achieve the same setup as yours?
Yes you can! I don't have experience with it, myself, but presumably it can pass audio back and forth between devices and it has 2 input jacks for your synth.
So glad I came across you! Thank you for this video and love the sounds you create - beautiful! I have Ableton on my mac, sp404mk2 and would love to add an iPad into the mix! I have an Apollo twin X and Behringer ADAT extra inputs. Would I need the audio interface you mention or is there a way with having an audio interface to connect the midi between them all? Hope that’s makes sense and thanks for any help in advance. You’ve opened up a whole new world of thinking for me! 🙏
Thanks for the kind words! 1. Regarding MIDI between multiple devices - it really depends on exactly what it is you're trying to do. You don't need this interface exactly, though. For me, it is easiest to use because I can minimiz cables and use USB MIDI, and I can also send audio seamlessly between the devices. MIDI is a little more flexible than audio though; with MIDI Thru ports and creative routing you should be OK. I'd need to understand more specifically what your goals are to say more than that, though. 2. I use a 2021 iPad Pro with the M1 chip, 11", with 128 GB of RAM. That is plenty for me. it depends on how many photos, videos, and long audio files you plan to store.
Man… I’ve been trying to find a way to achieve the same thing, just about anyways. Looks like the audio4c is a lifesaver… will get one when back in stock unless I hear otherwise. Just want Audio in, midi in, charging into iPad and audio send from iPad to Mac. Midi send from iPad to external gear would be awesome too.
Yeah, it's a really fun way to work! Thanks for watching. The Audio 4c is great. What you describe is a perfect use case for it and generally as complex as I get with it.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 thanks pal. That’s a really reassuring response. I’ve never really gelled with software over hardware until I found AUM. Now it’s on like donkey Kong. Your video is brilliant 👌
Hey Andrew, this is amazing! I am in the market for a new audio interface as I have since bought a hardware synth so I might consider Audio4c AND I have always wanted a looping setup. I use Ableton live on my windows PC but I find that the looping in Ableton is not great. I've always wanted a setup to send audio from Ableton to loopy Pro and then play with the loops in real time. It looks like its possible with this audio interface. If you see any issues with my thinking let me know. Thanks so much for your videos
Great to hear, thanks for watching! No, LK can't open any plugins on its own. Just think of it like a control surface. It can do things like change the level of tracks, adjust send levels, send MIDI notes on the keyboard, etc.
Hi, nice videos and it’s help me to learn about iOS music production. I was wondering if you have some latency between the iPad and the iconnectivity 4c? I have been using IDAM and it’s working ok, but sometimes some timing issues. Thanks
Thanks for watching! for performing live and sketching ideas I don' really have issues with latency. When I'm recording percussion, I occasionally have to adjust/quantize if I want to match drums coming from iPad to the exact starting point of a bar in Ableton. It's a minor thing but occasionally has to be watched for. I wrote a little about that on my Substack in this post (check the "latency" section): andrewtasselmyer.substack.com/p/addendum-how-i-use-the-ipad-with
Wow great video! Thanks so much for posting this! Was wondering with the Audio4c can you get multiple inputs from AUM into Ableton or Logic. I have a bunch of projects I jam out with AUM and trying to record each track into Logic to get the stems. Any tips are appreciated.
Thank you for watching! Yes, you can send up to 4 channels out of each USB port to the other...so you could receive 4 mono or 2 stereo channels in Logic from AUM. It's not a lot, unfortunately. But the manual has more info about the routing options from page 14 onwards: static1.squarespace.com/static/58976aeee6f2e12da0026d7f/t/60e5b6d06b6d281dcf74f8ca/1625667314724/iConnectivity+AUDIO4c+User+Guide.pdf
Uniquely helpful! I’m trying to do exactly the same thing. I’ll gladly grab that interface…but I wonder if you ever did learn of another with a comparable usb inter connectivity flexibility?
Thanks for watching! No, I never did run across another interface like this...you can configure aggregate devices in MacOS to do something similar with multiple interfaces, but it's definitely easier for me to have a single, dedicated device for this application.
I didn’t know that there is a video explaining my dream. Thank your for sharing your experience 🫶🏻 After now 1 year you uploaded the video. Did you make any changes to this setup regarding the devices or is this still your setup to go? I love how playful it looks and I am hooked now 👾👾
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 I totally got lost in the part where you just got into your flow. It felt so meditative and carried me away. My english is too bad to explain 🙈 but something happened with me in this time ✨🛸✨
Awesome video! Thank you. Would you mind sharing the details of how you setup a track in Ableton to route MIDI and Audio from AUM into Ableton? I am considering getting AUM and it would be super helpful for me. Thanks again!
Thank you for watching! Within AUM, you can open up the midi routing matrix by pressing the button in the top right corner of the screen - then you just point the midi output of any app to whichever output you want (USB or DIN). In ableton you can just select the midi input of your choosing on the channel strip in session view - there's a dropdown menu to select midi source and you can choose either USB or DIN midi from the interface. I can't attach pictures to comments here, but hopefully that's clear.
man this was a nice find! I know it's an old vid now but is the iconnectivity audio4c really the only way to do this? after a lot of research it seems so. I have an Arturia Audiofuse and I've had to settle with using IDAM....obvs no audio going to my ipad but I was relatively happy...now I wanna do this!...seeems my audiofuse can't do this (even though it has 3 usb ports on the back of it!) I may have to try a new interface but have you found any other ways since posting this video?
Thanks for watching! Correct, those usb ports on the audiofuse are only a USB hub for peripherals and not a full usb audio interface. There still aren’t many options for doing this. Since posting the video, Lewitt has come out with a device called the Connect 6 that is similar to the 4c, but a little more limited on analog inputs/outputs. I also really dislike the form factor. I still think the 4c is the best option for this type of a workflow.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 well....I'm now selling my audiofuse to cover the cost of my new 4c! I will rewatch this vid then rinse the other one to get it all hooked up and running!...there may be questions!....we'll see
Absolutely love your video! Learned a bunch from it :) I'm wondering if it is possible to run your setup with the scarlet focusrite 2i2. It only has one usb-c port so it might be a dumb question. I know it is possible to run it directly into the ipad. But not sure if the macbook can get access at the same time? Want to be able to route midi and audio to the iPad from the macbook as well.
Thanks! Appreciate that. You can't do exactly the same thing with just a focus rite. You can only connect one host device (computer/tablet) at a time to one of those. You could connect your iPad directly to a Mac and send audio and midi *to* the laptop *from* the iPad through just a USB cable, but you can't send audio and midi bidirectionally - to and from both devices this way. For that, you need a device like the connectivity, which has 2 USB ports and allows 2 computers/ablets to connect and share signals simultaneously.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 I see! Might have to invest in a new interface then... Have you found any other way of sending audio and midi bidirectionally though? Would also love to be able to do this without getting additional hardware, as I'm interested in keeping my setup as easily portable as possible. Thank you for your time! Highly appreciated.
the sending goes from ableton to the ipad through the cable, so you grab the audio signal, which enters aum and then you mention that the ipad sequencers go to ableton again you return the signal to the ipad I would like to know the way that is configuration processes, I'm Mexican and I don't speak English lol so I have to translate everything, I think you've taken advantage of the potential of these programs there are many possibilities and I thank you for sharing your knowledge I hope you continue uploading tutorials a hug
The normal sequence of events is: 1.) I generate a MIDI signal on the iPad through a sequencer app like Fugue Machine, Chordjam, etc. 2.) I use the AUM MIDI mixer to send those midi notes to the MacBook over USB MIDI 3.) The midi notes received on the laptop will play a Kontakt instrument in Ableton Live 4.) The audio is sent out of the interface's outputs 5.) and occasionally, I set up an additional send channel from Ableton Live. That send channel is routed to an input on the second USB port, for the iPad, so I can receive audio in Samplr, AUM, Borderlands, or any other iPad app to manipulate. I do this so I can choose how much of the Ableton Live signal to send to the iPad.
Hi Really enjoyed your video, I’ve connected the fugue app on iPad to ableton via Apple with limited success, what do you connect fugue to in the AUM midi routing matrix when your using the audio 4c as interface?
Bro, can you describe briefly and in writing how the midi signal is sent and received by the buses between aum and abletton? And how do you use the audio, let's say how you return the signal to manipulate it, what would be the form of physical and virtual connection? Thanks
The normal sequence of events is: 1.) I generate a MIDI signal on the iPad through a sequencer app like Fugue Machine, Chordjam, etc. 2.) I use the AUM MIDI mixer to send those midi notes to the MacBook over USB MIDI 3.) The midi notes received on the laptop will play a Kontakt instrument in Ableton Live 4.) The audio is sent out of the interface's outputs 5.) and occasionally, I set up an additional "send" channel on each track in Ableton Live. That send channel is pointed to an input on the second USB port (for me, it's the iPad), so I can receive audio in Samplr, AUM, Borderlands, or any other iPad app to manipulate. I do this as a "send" so that I can choose how much of the Ableton Live signal is sent to the iPad.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Now this comment here is a gem... Gonna investigate this when i get home. The only thing you are missing is a Korg NanoKontrol for transport and faders, but seems you prefer as less gear as possible.
If my goal was replacing my Maschine MK3 with this setup, is there a way to load groups of sounds into the Ableton Rack, and then trigger those sounds on a set of pads on the iPad? As well as easily toggle to a keyboard view of any of those given sounds from the rack?
Yes, you could replicate something close to this. In loopy pro, you could set up a page of pads designed to send program changes to live. There are also a few apps for keyboard playing, pads-based chord triggering, etc. that you could easily toggle between on top of that. It wouldn’t be everything that maschine is, but it could be at least those two basic functions.
the iConnectivity device usb connection to Ipad. Ableton Link is Ethernet or Wifi not over USB . I can only connect IPad (IOS 17) with camera ethernet adapter to have Midi and Link . On the W10 PC it is RTPmidi software
YT ch iConnectivity support has videos on the subject. I asked him if network midi and audio from Ipad lighting port with adapter and USB hub is working on Audio4c. The Audio 12 has ethernet so that is possible. Thanks
Great video! Great setup with lots of possibilities to play and improvise during the performance! Smart use of Ableton Link and Midi to sync and make them play together! How is the audio latency? And the round trip latency? Do they sync? How do you handle live played audio input? And does this influence your routing? And, could you be more specific in audio routing?
Thanks for the kind words and for watching! Latency has never been an issue for me... I've never noticed it. But I play mostly ambient and "looser" forms of music, so take my perspective with a grain of salt. I get very low round trip measures depending on how I set the sample rate and buffer sizes; I'd guess around 10-15 ms or so most of the time? which is fine for my purposes. I'm sure you can do better with smaller buffer but I try to optimize for stability and live performance rather than blazing speed. Regarding routing, not sure exactly what to say there, but I usually have just 1 stereo channel of laptop audio sent to the iPad, and 1 stereo channel of iPad audio sent back to the laptop. I send audio from Ableton to the iPad using a send channel. Routing is configured in the iConnectivity software; you can read the manual and see all your options more clearly there: static1.squarespace.com/static/58976aeee6f2e12da0026d7f/t/60e5b6d06b6d281dcf74f8ca/1625667314724/iConnectivity+AUDIO4c+User+Guide.pdf
so helpful! two questions if you don’t mind… before i splurge on that interface you showed, is there a way to send audio and midi directly from ipad to M1 macbook pro directly if i don’t have a need for the other ins and outs of that interface? secondly do you know if you can import midi from another source or perhaps a midi file into Fugue Machine? or must all the notes be drawn? thanks for this!!
Thanks for watching! Yes, you can send midi to a MacBook by just plugging it directly into the computer with a USB cable. I’ve never tried this but I’ve heard of others doing it. Not sure if you could pass audio back and forth seamlessly, though. No, I don’t believe you can import midi clips to fugue machine. You have to create your sequences in the app.
Thanks for the awesome walk through! I am wondering. How many channels of audio can you sent to and from the iPad and MacBook? According to the manual it looks like there’s 4 separate channels do audio for the USB ports? You’ve got me pretty much sold on one of these iconnectivity boxes. Very cool system and use!
Thanks for watching! It depends on the exact configuration you use, but you have up to 8 channels of audio between the hardware and computer inputs. Each USB port has access to the hardware ins 1-4, and also has 4 channels of output. From page 14 onwards, the manual has a good layout of port configurations available on each of the USB ports: static1.squarespace.com/static/58976aeee6f2e12da0026d7f/t/60e5b6d06b6d281dcf74f8ca/1625667314724/iConnectivity+AUDIO4c+User+Guide.pdf
Hi! could you tell us more about Iconnectivty 4C interface? dou you still use it? is it stable? how is the latency? I use Iconnectivity Midi2+ and I like it, but in the future I am thinking to get the 4C for using it with the hardware synths also
Hi there - yes I still use it. It is my main interface for studio and live work and I love it. It’s been stable in my experience with no big issues. Noise floor is a little higher than some other ones but not a huge deal. Latency is fine; not blazing fast. I’m not sure what kind of needs you have but it’s been good for my purposes. Overall it’s a solid option for easily sending audio and midi between 2 devices. Not a whole lot of other options for a similar workflow.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 i see! Yes there aren t too many options. In my experiments I use an Ipad and two hardware synths effects sends from Ipad to various tracks and I think I need more ins and outs for different IOS synths. The noise floor I think is manageable with a cancelling plugin from Klevrand - Brusfi , it s quite effective on my mic and ins from synths. The Play 12 from iconnectivity does n t have analogue inputs so is a no for me. Ok, thanks for answering and keep up the good work!
I have a question : would you have the time to explain your ableton configuration (i guess youre using “external instruments’ to be able to communicate with the ipad apps ? And also the ableton preferences setup ? Youre briefly mentioning this here but it would be great to have an entire explaination. If you dont have the time would you share a link or recommend a tutorial ? Thx a lot !
Hi there, I am not sure if any other tutorials exist, but I usually route all MIDI within AUM on the iPad. There is a matrix MIDI mixer and you can manually select where to send MIDI on the iPad sequencers. I send it to USB1 (my laptop), and then within Ableton, I create MIDI tracks that receive MIDI on the specific channels I designate. The default Live configuration should be set up to do this. Hopefully that helps!
Also meant to ask. What are the major things you find Ableton brings to the table with this setup that you xabt accomplish woth ghe iPad? Or that you just find muxh better/easier having thr Ableton connection/inter-play?
iPad is pretty limited as a production environment. You cannot do nearly the same level of mixing, arrangement, and multi-lane automation that you can do in Live. I also need Live for hosting of Kontakt libraries and other VST instruments that only run in MacOS.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Yeah makes sense, iPad can only do so much. Well I got my Audio4C in, and I've got everything connected, so that's been cool! Trying to get my head around Drambo first, and setting up a controller for it to be more Groovebox like. What's your favorite Kontakt libraries by the way?
Amazing video ! Right now i cant afford the 4c i was wondering if something like that was possible with a midi2+ ? looks like it is since it has this dual usb port for transmitting midi/audio both ways to both devices.. whats your insight ? Thx !
Based on the Midi2+ Manual (page 21) you have Audio passThru: The iConnectMIDI2+ can stream up to eight channels of audio (four in each direction). This could be a solution if you do not need extra audio inputs/outputs 1/4.
I’m just trying out an Audio4c. I’ll spend more time with the manual, but one thing I think I see…the numbering of usb ins and outs changes by context…eg. what the iPad sees as out 1,2 shows up as usb 5,6 in the audio 4c. That’s ok, but takes some orienteering. Does that fit with your experience? Thx again.
yeah, depending on the configuration you use in the software, it'll change the routing and available ins/outs. I typically leave it on "play USB2" so I can use my iPad as a mixer with AUM and Loopy Pro.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Thanks for the great content and sharing this workflow, I've been using an iPad and MacBook Combi direct usb-c combination with midi and audio from iPad to Ableton for a while... Currently sat here having spent a few evenings getting my head around the ins & outs with this audio4c set-up , think I've just about got the hang of how to prevent feedback loops now! :) In your set-up how are managing audio the outputs? Are you setting the mix in Auracle to just stereo iPad output USB2 CH1&2? with others muted? Then allowing the USB1 CH1&2 audio of Ableton to route through iPad USB2 CH5&6. So Aum/loopy ends up being the final mixer? Thanks again
@@andrewtasselmyer2436After some more trials I think the setup is: Ableton main out = USB1 1&2 iPad main audio out = USB2 1&2 Ableton send out = USB1 3&4 iPad send out= USB2 3&4 For resampling/effects: On iPad the ableton send comes in 7&8 On iPad the ableton main out comes in 5&6 On Ableton the iPad send comes in 7&8 On Ableton the iPad main out comes in 5&6
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Update.... Actually I see that the USB out 5&6 is best for me to use as the main mix out, as this can't be seen on the other USB connected device.... This frees up the USB 1&2 out which can be seen on the other device for more inter-device fun & FX
hi Andrew, Great video, and awesome music. ive been trying to figure out a way to integrate iOS into ableton and vice versa but always hit a dead end. how are you sending audio from abletons sends back into the ipad (samplr) in my samplr i only have ipad microphone as the input. Im wondering if there is a way to route audio back into the ipad without having to purchase the iconnect box.
Thanks for the kind words! If you don't want to purchase the interface, then I think you can connect an iPad directly to a MacBook through a USB cable and configure the iPad as an interface. Frankly, I've not tried this myself so can't really vouch for how well it works or how to do it. I have always used audio interfaces of some kind when sending audio to iPads.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 my ipad has the lighting connector so it seems the only way to config is to go via the audio/midi settings on mac. you canset up an aggregate device and it allows 2 audio outs from ipad and midi in and out. it looks like i will have to fork out the cash and get the iconnect :) thanks again,
Yep, even in a DAW-less workflow, I think the iPad is a great way to record your tracks and apply some basic limiting, compression, and other mastering effects to them. Thanks for watching!
This is great Andrew. With the ic4c... does this interface give you to ability to run multi-channel out from AUM into Ableton? You mentioned running the iPad audio into Ableton... but it was unclear if it was multi-channel routing. ie: would I be able to route each individual audio channel in AUM to an individual audio channel in Ableton? And at what max sample rate btw? I'm currently using a USB-C connection from my iPadProM1 to my MBP-M1max... the midi routing is sufficient for my needs... however my main pitfalls with this current setup is the 2 channel audio and low sample rate limitation. If this interface could solve both of those id grip for sure. Many thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, you can get multiple channels from AUM into Ableton…but it’s limited to only 4 mono, 2 stereo…sort of a bummer. On each USB port, you have access to the 4 analog inputs, plus 2 stereo pairs from the other USB port. The manual has a basic overview of the possible routings. Regarding sample rate, you can do a max of 24 bit / 96 kHz.
This was awesome (UA-cam's recommendations finally coming in handy) - I have been trying to figure out how to bring my macbook and ipad when working through the Arturia AudioFuse interface and I'm 90% sure at this point it cannot be done. However, I have read that Airplay on Mac OS 12 (which I need to upgrade to) you can actually wirelessly stream audio and video between apple devices, so I wonder if that would work as a bridge...? That doesn't necessarily address the wireless midi issue, but I feel like there are a enough ways around that (e.g. WIDI Master), which I think can allow one midi controller to speak to multiple computers/virtual interfaces.
Thanks, and glad you enjoyed it! Truth be told, I am not sure about the Airplay audio thing. It wouldn't surprise me if that's possible, but I'm sure there is some bluetooth-induced latency - can't confirm this, though. I know that you could plug an iPad directly into the laptop and get access to MIDI control, if I'm not mistaken. I do use a wireless MIDI adapter sometimes if all I'm trying to do is control a synth remotely, or something like that. I'm sure someone smarter than I am has figured out something better. I just prefer the overall ease and convenience of audio and midi sharing through 1 box with no unpredictability.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 totally - I just love my audiofuse as my central hub otherwise I would consider something like the iconnectivity interface! Following on from watching this, I once again tried to get as far as I could with my own attempt at ~streamlining~ and thus far I have it setup such that my keystep pro > MacBook (via USB hub on the back of my audiofuse) + WIDI wireless on the keystep’s MIDI I/O jacks > iPad (wirelessly via AUM) > back to keystep (via WIDI) > MacBook/DAW. So actually the audiofuse is irrelevant at the moment 😅. WIDI has such reliably low latency that it’s good enough for my needs. But you’re definitely right re: Bluetooth audio latency being a potential fly in the ointment…
Greetings from CA bro, most likely you are very busy, but I have some questions, what is for you the main advantage of sending midi messages between the ipad and the Mac, I have tried to establish the connection by bluetooth but I still have not succeeded , when you send the midi signal of a plugin that comes out of the macbook " example a kontakr violin to the ipad, does the sound enter the same as it comes out of the macbook or only the signal arrives? I ask you this because I just downloaded " arcade " and the sounds are great I would like to see a way to send them to aum only if possible since it is easier for me to process the signal there and then send it to garage band, it is a basic software for now it works for what I need I am studying pro tools artist It is still difficult for me, can you give me some recommendation for a plugin to give the final touch to give volume and gain body to the mix? Thanks bro and blessings
Hmm, not sure I follow exactly what you are saying. In the video I explain what I'm doing - I send a MIDI signal from the iPad to the MacBook over USB MIDI on the interface. You can choose where to send the MIDI notes by using the MIDI routing mixer in the AUM app. You can mix the audio on the interface's software. The sound is the same whether I play it from the MacBook or send it to the iPad.
THANKS DUDE, I remember about that interface but forgot about it, I had enough to make compromises, I was I/Oing my ipad on the laptop or using my audiofuse straight on my ipad or the IK multimedia which is awsome if you only need the ipad/ ONE question, how do you usually record? have you ever and can you record the AUM tracks into ableton ??? my ipad can get filled up very fast if I record long jams You made my day thanks again have you used loopy for sampling yet ? would be nice if you'd make a reddit group or discord, I don't have people making music with ipad around I use the novayion circuit
thanks for the kind words! I usually record everything in Ableton, and mix/arrange it later. I'm too accustomed to its interface and workflow to bother with anything else at this point. I have not used Loopy extensively for sampling, but it is very capable. I use it mostly in performance, to loop and mix audio live.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 so it is possible to record tracks of the ipad into ableton ? and possible to do parallel or having serial chain of effects let say my input going thru effect in AUM then routed to the other usbc host and having that input coming in ableton ? or maybe just parallel, the same input going thru ableton and AUM ? Thanks again
Oh rad! I didn’t think of using LoopyPro as surface controller for Ableton too, brilliant! Also I think the dev is planning to release LoopyPro for the mac too eventually. Or is it possible to use now since Ableton 11.2 supports Auv3 now, right?
I've not tried it in Ableton as an AUv3, but yes, I think in theory this will be possible at some point in the future (if it isn't already). I have successfully used a few other AuV3 devices in Live.
I'm not sure if the ins/outs are DC-coupled or not, so I can't confirm. I don't see it mentioned in the manual so I don't think so. I haven't used euro rack in a while now, so I didn't do any deeper research on that before buying one.
Firstly, thank you for taking the time to provide an in depth review of your workflow and the reasons. I am curious though. You recommend Samplr and yet I note you have Koala loaded? Is there something Samlr does for you that Koala does not? I am assuming this set up could be used to integrate with Logic or Bitwig? I note the comments about the previous Audio4+ is the new one that much better?
My pleasure! Regarding Samplr vs. Koala, it's really just a matter of personal preference on the UI for me. I like that Samplr immediately presents the whole waveform to scan through with touch and gestures, and have found it a little bit easier to quickly get a loop going during live performances. That's not to say that Koala isn't quick to use, too; it's just that I've been using Samplr for so long to make loops and drones that I have kind of oriented my workflow around it at this point. Yes, you could very easily integrate with Logic, Bitwig, or any other DAW you'd like. I like Ableton Live the most, but I have used it with Logic in the past quite often and I know lots of people who like Bitwig too. I have personally found that the new iConnectivity 4c is much more stable and reliable than the older Audio2+ and Audio4+ models that they sold. I've yet to have any issues with mine and the software is much more streamlined. I had 2 of the older Audio 2+, and I experienced several crashes and cases of audio crackling/dropouts for seemingly no reason. Both of those older models are discontinued now, so if you wanted to grab a used model somewhere, I don't even know what kind of support would be offered anymore. Just my 2 cents there!
Such a precious video, thanks a lot. I know it's a lot to ask, but is there a way to find the stems for one of your songs? I'm really curious to see how you seperate things, especially your field recordings.
As you’ve used Logic Pro…you have probably watched it evolve. Given its current state…what would you see the Ableton advantage(s) to be? I’m pretty happy with Logic Pro, but I wonder if I should pursue my Ableton intrigue. Many thanks.
I like Ableton Live for the session view. I also like the easy point-and-click midi assignments. It is personal preference at the end of the day, but I can get up and running in Live much faster than I can in Logic Pro. Logic seems more suited to mixing and arranging, whereas Ableton Live is built very much around the "live" part. I've performed with Logic in the past, but it's far easier to use Live for what I do.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Thanks. I’m making the Live plunge. Just installed the intro version. Will mimic your setup. One question re: your jam…it seems you were mostly monitoring and triggering a few instruments in Live (with the main events happening in AUM). Can you say a little more about what was happening back in Live during that time? Many thanks.
Can you tell me if the Audio 4C has a decent output volume on the master volume that goes to the main speakers? I use passive monitors and they need decent output. Also, can I run my Mac mini routed to the 4C as well as keep my iPad connected? Can I listen to my iPad and also use it to listen to Ableton without switching cables? I have now an Arturia Minifuse 2 as mu USB audio unit. Thanks
The user manual for the 4c lists the max output volume at 13 dBu / 11 dBv - not sure exactly what your speakers need but it’s plenty loud for me. Yes, any two devices can be connected and play audio simultaneously without switching cables.
Another new sort of device that allows connecting two USB-C devices and powers a mobile device plugged into it is the Lewitt Audio C. The only thing it doesn't do that the iconnectivity audio interface does is midi connection; it's audio-only.
Yes, great shout - at the time of the video it wasn’t an option, but I made an updated post a couple months ago that mentioned it. Would love to try it for head to head comparison. Thanks for watching!
This is what I have always wanted and you just showed me how to get things going in one video! Thank you so much!
A ton of people have asked about audio routing on this interface. Yes, you can send 2 stereo (or 4 mono) channels from AUM back to the laptop. You have access to all 4 analog inputs on both USB devices you connect, plus 2 stereo (or 4 Mono) channels of the other device's audio output. The full details of possible configurations and layouts for audio routing are available starting on page 13 of the iConnectivity Audio 4c manual: static1.squarespace.com/static/58976aeee6f2e12da0026d7f/t/60e5b6d06b6d281dcf74f8ca/1625667314724/iConnectivity+AUDIO4c+User+Guide.pdf
If you ever want to try extremely portable setup - Macs and iPads are compatible for sending audio and midi to each other with only a cable, no external gear needed :)
In order to set it up after connecting iPad you have to pair it as an audio interface in sound settings, not hard at all! It's kind neat and works well. Great video - learned a lot :) Cheers
You're right - that is possible! I've not tried it myself, but have heard of others doing it. I prefer this interface for the purposes of connecting external gear with the analog ins/outs, MIDI DIN ports and also the USB hub.
Thanks for watching!
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 ...even then, if you get to need it... maybe while traveling: you can connect it, as @milymlody mentions, and then, any USB hub to your Mac and voila, everything is connected (without the interface).
There is a wireless way too, but I havent tried it yet, only as a remote for Logic Pro X (with which works perfekt)
@@MarcoPolux yes, it is possible to send iPad audio and midi directly to Macs with a cable, but as far as I can tell, you can't send audio back to the iPad from the laptop - there are only inputs into the aggregate device, not outputs back to iPad.
this is the main benefit of the iConnectivity device that I've found - the bidirectional transfer of audio and midi. If you only need to send sound and midi from iPad to laptop, it's a great solution to just plug straight in though!
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 you know your game. I haven't need to send sound to the iPad, au contraire... the iPad I most use it to produce when traveling and when I get back, I send everything to the MAc to finish it in Cubase. But your setup is very cool and light 👍 (that is what land me on your page, looking for new ways to create)
@@MarcoPolux cheers! Glad you landed here and likewise - love to hear how others are working with this stuff 🙏
Man, this is unreal. Really nice setup. Love the thoughts of sharing Audio/midi internally without wires everywhere. Top Notch man
Thank you! Minimize wire messes, always!!! 😂
Hearing you like that interface makes me rethink my experience. I got one used for the same reason of multiple hosts, but ended up sending it back due to noise crackling issues. Maybe worth another go with a new unit!
Yeah, the older models weren’t too great…software was buggy, quality was suspect. I had an older one too, but this new 4c model is much more dependable. Recommended!
I have so many ipad apps... and hardware... that I just don't know where to start!
Each app requires dedication to learn and bringing multiple apps into AUM is a nightmare... I need a reset.
Nice jam :D
Yeah, there’s a lot to sort through. But take your time and take it easy!
Thank you so much for an incredibly helpful guide to bringing the two devices together. Something I’ve always failed to do well.
Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed it.
This is an amazing video providing a seamless integration between your laptop and the iPad. Never heard of this audio interface that you use and it might be worth it to simplify the process of using 2 interfaces. I also appreciate you talking about some of the apps that I never heard before. One thing I'd love to see if you have the time, is a detail look at the configuration between Ableton and AUM for both MIDI and Audio. This is a no brainer so I just subscribed. Finally, that music was great. Thanks so much!
Thank you for watching, happy to share ideas! I may indeed do a 2nd video addressing some of the questions I got on this one. But basically, if you use the MIDI routing control within AUM and point the MIDI to the laptop, then Ableton will automatically receive that MIDI on whatever channels you've specified.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 thanks so much for your video it’s awesome and it convinced me to buy an audio 4c.
I am having trouble getting it set up with both ableton, aum and the i connectivity software all communicating with each other.
Basically I’m new to this so it’s a steep learning curve, if you could do a follow up video taking us through the settings on each of those different interfaces it would be incredible!
Thanks!
Buddy of mine pointed me in the direction of this video and it has been super profound and helpful for my current situation.
Also lovely music, picked up impulses a little while ago and what I great release.
Take good care
Sam
Great to hear! Thank you so much for watching and for the support.
Thank you so much for your time and kindness on putting out this helpful video. Hearing your music and seeing your creation process is always so inspirational. Cheers!
Cheers, I appreciate the kind words Carlos! So glad you enjoyed it!
This is such a compelling setup that I basically swiped it wholesale for my new studio. 🤣 I added an HX Stomp for dedicated guitar input into the Mac via USB, and I’ve got a couple of pedals set up as outboard processors using the I/O on the 4c. Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge on this!
I love to hear that, ha! It's an amazing setup and so flexible. Glad to see more people bringing iPad into the equation. Thanks for the kind words and for watching!
I gave up on ipad and ableton setup but i might look into this interface and give it a another shot
this was a very very inspiring video, thanks for sharing and for taking the time!!!
You are so welcome! Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the a complete rundown.. I've been considering iPad integration into my hardware setup for a while. Now I have a fairer idea of what to expect :)
Great to hear! Thanks for watching.
That audio interface. Game changer!
Totally agreed! Wish more companies would take on this concept in their products.
By far one of the most interesting videos ive seen on the subject
Thanks Albert. Glad it's been of use!
-AT
Very interesting. Always great to see the workflow of other musicians as this is something I mostly struggle with. Thank you!
Really well put together video. Thank you.
The iConnectivity Audio4c is something else, the USB support/interconnectivity really sets it apart.
Their promo video is a hoot!
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, it’s a really great interface but the marketing is a little…weird? Haha.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 We are quite weird, odd, nerdy and cheesy over here. Helps the creative juices flow.
@@iConnectivitySupport Spent weeks researching your gear & I just bought the 4C as I can see the Love is strong :) Mixing in/out from AUM via 12? channels into Ableton seems too good to be true :) Cant wait to manipulate the midi via NI Studio, Jam & my M32
this content is pure gold
Thanks!
Thanks for showing how to connect the dots across various apps in a musical way... I am just thinking what if you add Gestrument on top of this setup. 🙂 It will be heaven..
Subscribed! Nice thorough tutorial! UA-cam needs more videos of setups with iPads and the vast ocean of interfaces. I had 2 of the original iConnect 4+ aggregated in Mac OSX and an iPad. Back then iConnect even had a full on app to control the iConnect. I still own one of the iConnect 4+ but the preamps crapped out years ago and I’m still debating what to do with it. 😢 Looking forward for more iPad setups 🎉
Thank you! I also had an old audio4+ (or whatever that model was called) before the current 4c. Went through 2 of them because of hardware failure. The iPad-based workflow has changed the game for me.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Wow 2 iC4+? Now I feel better. I sent back one for repair because of the touch control LEDs in the front. I’m weary of getting the later USB-c model because of former issues. Maybe If they bring back the iPad app, I’ll consider it.
Very helpful, thanks for sharing👍
Glad it was helpful!
This is fascinating. IU love minimalism and also the portability of your technique.
This is great content, thank you! As someone new to the game I've been having lots of fun playing with some amazing apps on the iPad and learning Ableton but haven't dug into connecting them yet but you've got me excited to get to it!
Great to hear! It’s a really fun workflow, for sure. Definitely recommend diving in!
Really happy to have stumbled across this. I explored a similar setup. The drum sounds you can achieve in Ableton (Addictive Drums) are unparalleled on ipad but no better looper around than loopy pro so blending the two is ideal. Up to now I've been using two interfaces, flirting with idea of iconnectivity. Now you have confirmed its ease of use I'm sold. Beautiful, tasteful composition.
Glad to hear it! Yeah, I was initially hesitant about the iConnectivity interfaces because I had never heard of the brand before. The software on the earlier models was a little rough, but they’ve made improvements on this new one.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 I had so many problems with my older one, had to give up on it. But the idea is so awesome. Happy to hear that the new one is great, will have to try it next time I upgrade.
Great to see your approach, which is very similar to my setup and workflow (iConnect Audio+ is the key) - it's incredibly powerful & modular.
Totally agree. It’s a great way to work. Thanks for watching!
Great tutorial. I connect my iPad to Mac via cable to use it as an audio interface into Ableton as well as a MIDI controller with IAC driver, but this is a cool setup. I have invested so much time into Ableton that learning these iPad DAWs will only distract me. I will play around it at some point
yes, you should use whatever works best for you! thanks for watching.
Best Ipad usage to DAW I've seen. Are you using Bitwig? The Modular & generative look like a Great Ipad interaction for fast production Ideas....
thanks so much! I've not tried bigwig, I'm still using Ableton Live. But I'd like to check it out sometime.
Oh wow, I was coming up with a complicated setup for routing audio out of my iPad with two interfaces or a mixer with audio out for each track, instead of exporting audio into ableton or fl studio, but this is way cheaper than what I was thinking. I do need a new iPad though, mine is showing its age
Thanks for this super clear and honest video :) Really want to investigate Digitakt + ipad
It’s an excellent combo and takes seconds to set up. Sampling direct into the Digi is worth the price of admission, let alone all the other possibilities.
Oh wow, I see you're from Baltimore. I'll have to come through when you're playing live again
Yes, originally from the Baltimore area! Although now I live in Philadelphia. Still try to visit and play there as often as possible.
This is very helpful, thanks so much for this video! I've been using two audio interfaces in my workflow (where I use iPad and Ableton on my macbook), but your set-up looks so much easier/less stressful, especially when it comes to perfoming live. I love AUM, Loopy Pro and Samplr, and there are so many great FX-apps!
Great to hear from you, Julia! I was using 2 interfaces for a while, too. I still haven't seen any other interface with 2 ports like this one...it would be nice if more manufacturers gave it a shot.
iPad is indeed amazing! We have so many great tools to choose from now.
Yeah aside from the Adat on interfaces, I think Motu’s AVB interfaces can route to several computers/ devices, plus their interfaces have on board DSP. 😮I’ve always wanted to try it out.
Amazing setup with so many options.
it's been fun! Thanks for watching.
OMG- I am so glad I found this!
THANK YOU
Thanks for watching!
I’ve been waiting FOREVER to see someone else doing this setup in this way. I suppose it was common sense and I ended up using things almost identically but earlier on using iPad and earlier in my Ableton use it seemed so doable but was very difficult to put together
Yep, it's a great way to work and I've been very productive using this workflow!
loved what you do here! really inspirational to see! I guess that the audio 4c really allows for the latency free connection possibility to this all to happen no? I've been trying to find a cheaper alternative but have a hard time finding it.
Thanks! Yeah, I find the Audio 4c to be a lifesaver. It's not perfect, but is by far the quickest/easiest way to run this kind of setup. I've been looking for similar devices for years now, and there still isn't anything that does exactly what it does. The Lewitt Connect 6 doesn't have as many ins/outs and buying 2 interfaces is clunky.
Hi Andrew :) I'm about to consider a Nearly new audio4c. I use WIN 10 (Kept the updates away from destroying my stable Audio PC set up) I run everything you use (We are twins) Just checking that the send to Ipad Audio feature is going to still work? The flow of back/forth audio is just too attractive for fast set up music production without the hassles. (I have new/old MIDI equipment running through a mixer also - Wavestate, Norns, EMU2500, X2 KORG M1R, YAMAHA FBO1, etc )
I also have a spare iphone 7 so want to connect that as most of the music apps work well on it (and no need to get 2nd license) Can you advice me on best set up for that within the audio4c environment. (I presume power will be via the camera connector dongle from the powered USB port extension?) Any tips on running 2 apple devices would be great ! BTW your other videos are superb, your so clear in your advice/tips/enthusiasm, its like breath of fresh air.
thanks for the kind words! sorry for my delayed response.
1. yes, I believe the interface will work just fine with Windows.
2. iPhones will work fine with the interface. You'll just need to connect to one of the USB slots using the apple camera connection kit. It will be given power through USB2 specifically, if you connect it there.
Hope this helps! Enjoy!
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Hi Andrew Its arriving Tuesday & I am stoked. I also investigated the O/S Iconnectivity apps on the Apple store that got updated to this model using the old matrix routing so I will be testing everything. I tested ASIO4ALL today on my Audio Pc (Scan Computers, Custom built for HD recording) and I hope to add & test the iC4c into the overall input mix as I need more inputs for my Ext Hardware. You are an inspiration - who inspires you with their Ipad music?
This is such a great and inspiring video Andrew. Thank you for making it. A Tasselmyer masterclass!
thank you Ando! 🙏
At Last I got the 4C - Game Changer. I was worried about the FB group iConnectivity comments saying about click & noise but Quality is way better than Steinberg UR44 (Class compliant) Also way better on the headphone output as I had to buy a headphone amp to power my 250 OHM (Studio) 770-PRO's but no need on this device ! (Its REALLY loud !). Took me hrs to figure out the IN/Outputs in AL but got there in the end. Have not tried splitting the midi yet and still confused on that one. Please can you do an A/Live Video showing your mix template please? Or Can you provide the AL Template as I use same apps ! Thank you sir...I have watched you video 20 times at least and it still blows me away on what you have discovered and the music is Wow !
Thanks so much for watching! Glad to hear you are enjoying the Audio 4c.
Yes, I'll do a video sometime that outlines the settings and details of the routing. I wrote about this a little bit on my blog today: open.substack.com/pub/andrewtasselmyer/p/addendum-how-i-use-the-ipad-with?r=2chjaj&
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Great - Just posted & subbed. Well done Look forward to it.
AWESOME!! great video, great music, great news 'cause we've waited too long for a "double daw" set!!!
I love AUM, Koala Sampler and Samplr most of all, and now there's the chance to put all this directly in LIVE or vice versa!
I only found the 'Antelope Zen Go Synergy Core', no other audio interface, that has got 2 usb input, but I'm not sure it has the same capabilities of the Audio 4c
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what about two computers, or two ipads, or two iphone? I mean: laptop+ipad is not the only combination possible, is it?
thanks for watching! yes, it's an exciting way to work. you can connect any 2 devices in whichever combination you want. Can be any of the ones you listed.
Hello Andrew, this video is GOLD!!! It brought me immediately many answers! I’m considering switching to iPad with most of my music work - wiriting, composing, producing and stage. I’m wondering what would be the minimum storage you recommend? How do you deal with keeping samples and where do you keep them - in Ableton or also on the iPad? How much memory do I need just for a variety of apps like yours? Thank you in advance for answering these questions!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching and for the kind words.
I use a 2021 iPad Pro (11”) with the base level of storage (128 gb) and that’s fine for me. Even with a huge number of apps Ive only used 50-60% of the storage. I make sure to clean out old photos and videos to free space. I don’t store many samples locally on the iPad - I keep most of those in Dropbox so I can import them to Audio Share on the iPad, or on external hard drives to import to Ableton live when needed.
Imaginando rocks - thanks for sharing your setup!
Thanks for watching Josh. My pleasure!
Interesting. I wonder if there is a cheaper way to get the bidirectional sending audio and MIDI. That sounds really useful but since I already have an Apollo interface I don't want to buy one just to get the iPad and Ableton to communicate in this way. So how do you then save projects? Do you save them in AUM and Ableton at the same time?
I know you can connect an iPad directly to a laptop and send MIDI and audio *to* the laptop, but to my knowledge, not the other way. I am not sure if there's a similar product that does what this interface does in exactly this way. Would be great to know, though.
afaik iDAM lets you send MIDI back and forth, but for audio is from iOS to macOS only
SO much interesting stuff here! Huge thanks mister!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching
Thank you very much, very helpful video❤
Sorry for nub questions, how are you open samplr inside AUM, I’m try it, but AUM not downloading
Thanks for watching! You have to load Samplr under the “inter app audio (IAA)” folder.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Thank you for answer. Should I install audiobus for it?
You don’t need audiobus specifically. You can do it in AUM as mentioned above, or any other DAW that hosts Inter App Audio.
I got one circa 2010 and it is awesome ! Thanks to this video! So many great ideas. Thank you. To sample from laptop into samplr, which channel do you choose ? Or do i route it with iconfig?
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
To sample your laptop connected to USB1, choose input source “input 5/6” in samplr. That’s the main output of USB1.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 thank you so much ! Your approach to music composition and synthesis is so smooth. As an artist you have inspired me to the nth degree. I'll be in touch! Thanks for your time!
Hi Andrew, I really enjoy your videos and find them very inspiring! I have a question: if I want to connect a computer, iPad mini 6, and Microfreak to an audio interface at the same time, with the computer running Live and the iPad running AUM with other effects apps for the Microfreak FX, can I use the Lewitt Connect 6 instead of the Audio 4C to achieve the same setup as yours?
Yes you can! I don't have experience with it, myself, but presumably it can pass audio back and forth between devices and it has 2 input jacks for your synth.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Thank you for your reply!
So glad I came across you! Thank you for this video and love the sounds you create - beautiful! I have Ableton on my mac, sp404mk2 and would love to add an iPad into the mix! I have an Apollo twin X and Behringer ADAT extra inputs. Would I need the audio interface you mention or is there a way with having an audio interface to connect the midi between them all? Hope that’s makes sense and thanks for any help in advance. You’ve opened up a whole new world of thinking for me! 🙏
Apologies one more question! What storage size do you recommend for the iPad please? What are you using? Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words!
1. Regarding MIDI between multiple devices - it really depends on exactly what it is you're trying to do. You don't need this interface exactly, though. For me, it is easiest to use because I can minimiz cables and use USB MIDI, and I can also send audio seamlessly between the devices. MIDI is a little more flexible than audio though; with MIDI Thru ports and creative routing you should be OK. I'd need to understand more specifically what your goals are to say more than that, though.
2. I use a 2021 iPad Pro with the M1 chip, 11", with 128 GB of RAM. That is plenty for me. it depends on how many photos, videos, and long audio files you plan to store.
Man… I’ve been trying to find a way to achieve the same thing, just about anyways. Looks like the audio4c is a lifesaver… will get one when back in stock unless I hear otherwise. Just want Audio in, midi in, charging into iPad and audio send from iPad to Mac. Midi send from iPad to external gear would be awesome too.
Yeah, it's a really fun way to work! Thanks for watching. The Audio 4c is great. What you describe is a perfect use case for it and generally as complex as I get with it.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 thanks pal. That’s a really reassuring response. I’ve never really gelled with software over hardware until I found AUM. Now it’s on like donkey Kong. Your video is brilliant 👌
Hi, any advantage for a solo gig musician with this interphase? Nice set up, thanks
Sure, you could use it as a solo musician. Totally depends on your preferences and needs.
Great amount of useful information! Thanks so much for this
Cheers! Thanks for watching.
Hey Andrew, this is amazing! I am in the market for a new audio interface as I have since bought a hardware synth so I might consider Audio4c AND I have always wanted a looping setup. I use Ableton live on my windows PC but I find that the looping in Ableton is not great. I've always wanted a setup to send audio from Ableton to loopy Pro and then play with the loops in real time. It looks like its possible with this audio interface. If you see any issues with my thinking let me know. Thanks so much for your videos
thanks for watching! yes, it is very easy to use Loopy Pro to loop audio from Ableton Live using this interface. I highly recommend it.
New to Abelton & LK so this has been super inspiring. Can LK open plug ins from Abelton? For example: soft synths like Arturia’s V Collection? Thanks!
Great to hear, thanks for watching! No, LK can't open any plugins on its own. Just think of it like a control surface. It can do things like change the level of tracks, adjust send levels, send MIDI notes on the keyboard, etc.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 great! Thanks for confirming 🙌
Hi, nice videos and it’s help me to learn about iOS music production. I was wondering if you have some latency between the iPad and the iconnectivity 4c? I have been using IDAM and it’s working ok, but sometimes some timing issues. Thanks
Thanks for watching! for performing live and sketching ideas I don' really have issues with latency. When I'm recording percussion, I occasionally have to adjust/quantize if I want to match drums coming from iPad to the exact starting point of a bar in Ableton. It's a minor thing but occasionally has to be watched for. I wrote a little about that on my Substack in this post (check the "latency" section): andrewtasselmyer.substack.com/p/addendum-how-i-use-the-ipad-with
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Thanks..
I assume it’s probably similar latency to IDAM then.
Nice video! Which iPad are you running ? I’m confused over to get an M1 Pro 11 or 12.9
Thanks! This is the 11" m1 iPad Pro from 2021.
Wow great video! Thanks so much for posting this! Was wondering with the Audio4c can you get multiple inputs from AUM into Ableton or Logic. I have a bunch of projects I jam out with AUM and trying to record each track into Logic to get the stems. Any tips are appreciated.
Thank you for watching! Yes, you can send up to 4 channels out of each USB port to the other...so you could receive 4 mono or 2 stereo channels in Logic from AUM. It's not a lot, unfortunately. But the manual has more info about the routing options from page 14 onwards: static1.squarespace.com/static/58976aeee6f2e12da0026d7f/t/60e5b6d06b6d281dcf74f8ca/1625667314724/iConnectivity+AUDIO4c+User+Guide.pdf
just finished watching, incredible. Thank you so much.
My pleasure! Thanks for the kind words.
Uniquely helpful! I’m trying to do exactly the same thing. I’ll gladly grab that interface…but I wonder if you ever did learn of another with a comparable usb inter connectivity flexibility?
Thanks for watching! No, I never did run across another interface like this...you can configure aggregate devices in MacOS to do something similar with multiple interfaces, but it's definitely easier for me to have a single, dedicated device for this application.
I didn’t know that there is a video explaining my dream. Thank your for sharing your experience 🫶🏻
After now 1 year you uploaded the video. Did you make any changes to this setup regarding the devices or is this still your setup to go? I love how playful it looks and I am hooked now 👾👾
Glad to hear you appreciated this! Thanks for watching. Yes, I still use all of this equipment and it’s my main setup for making music.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 I totally got lost in the part where you just got into your flow. It felt so meditative and carried me away. My english is too bad to explain 🙈 but something happened with me in this time ✨🛸✨
Thank you so much for watching!
Awesome video! Thank you. Would you mind sharing the details of how you setup a track in Ableton to route MIDI and Audio from AUM into Ableton? I am considering getting AUM and it would be super helpful for me. Thanks again!
Thank you for watching!
Within AUM, you can open up the midi routing matrix by pressing the button in the top right corner of the screen - then you just point the midi output of any app to whichever output you want (USB or DIN).
In ableton you can just select the midi input of your choosing on the channel strip in session view - there's a dropdown menu to select midi source and you can choose either USB or DIN midi from the interface.
I can't attach pictures to comments here, but hopefully that's clear.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Super clear! Thank you for explaining! Can't wait to try it out.
man this was a nice find! I know it's an old vid now but is the iconnectivity audio4c really the only way to do this? after a lot of research it seems so. I have an Arturia Audiofuse and I've had to settle with using IDAM....obvs no audio going to my ipad but I was relatively happy...now I wanna do this!...seeems my audiofuse can't do this (even though it has 3 usb ports on the back of it!) I may have to try a new interface but have you found any other ways since posting this video?
Thanks for watching! Correct, those usb ports on the audiofuse are only a USB hub for peripherals and not a full usb audio interface.
There still aren’t many options for doing this. Since posting the video, Lewitt has come out with a device called the Connect 6 that is similar to the 4c, but a little more limited on analog inputs/outputs. I also really dislike the form factor. I still think the 4c is the best option for this type of a workflow.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 well....I'm now selling my audiofuse to cover the cost of my new 4c! I will rewatch this vid then rinse the other one to get it all hooked up and running!...there may be questions!....we'll see
Absolutely love your video! Learned a bunch from it :)
I'm wondering if it is possible to run your setup with the scarlet focusrite 2i2. It only has one usb-c port so it might be a dumb question.
I know it is possible to run it directly into the ipad. But not sure if the macbook can get access at the same time? Want to be able to route midi and audio to the iPad from the macbook as well.
Thanks! Appreciate that. You can't do exactly the same thing with just a focus rite. You can only connect one host device (computer/tablet) at a time to one of those.
You could connect your iPad directly to a Mac and send audio and midi *to* the laptop *from* the iPad through just a USB cable, but you can't send audio and midi bidirectionally - to and from both devices this way. For that, you need a device like the connectivity, which has 2 USB ports and allows 2 computers/ablets to connect and share signals simultaneously.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 I see! Might have to invest in a new interface then... Have you found any other way of sending audio and midi bidirectionally though?
Would also love to be able to do this without getting additional hardware, as I'm interested in keeping my setup as easily portable as possible.
Thank you for your time! Highly appreciated.
the sending goes from ableton to the ipad through the cable, so you grab the audio signal, which enters aum and then you mention that the ipad sequencers go to ableton again you return the signal to the ipad I would like to know the way that is configuration processes, I'm Mexican and I don't speak English lol so I have to translate everything, I think you've taken advantage of the potential of these programs there are many possibilities and I thank you for sharing your knowledge I hope you continue uploading tutorials a hug
The normal sequence of events is:
1.) I generate a MIDI signal on the iPad through a sequencer app like Fugue Machine, Chordjam, etc.
2.) I use the AUM MIDI mixer to send those midi notes to the MacBook over USB MIDI
3.) The midi notes received on the laptop will play a Kontakt instrument in Ableton Live
4.) The audio is sent out of the interface's outputs
5.) and occasionally, I set up an additional send channel from Ableton Live. That send channel is routed to an input on the second USB port, for the iPad, so I can receive audio in Samplr, AUM, Borderlands, or any other iPad app to manipulate. I do this so I can choose how much of the Ableton Live signal to send to the iPad.
That track, especially around 16:22 really has an I'm Not in Love (10CC) vibe to it. Do you think you could recreate the song like this?
Thanks! I'm not familiar with that song, but I'm sure you could create any kind of sound you wanted with this method.
Hi Really enjoyed your video, I’ve connected the fugue app on iPad to ableton via Apple with limited success, what do you connect fugue to in the AUM midi routing matrix when your using the audio 4c as interface?
Thanks for watching! In AUM, you can send Fugue Machine playheads to the USB1 destination.
Bro, can you describe briefly and in writing how the midi signal is sent and received by the buses between aum and abletton? And how do you use the audio, let's say how you return the signal to manipulate it, what would be the form of physical and virtual connection? Thanks
The normal sequence of events is:
1.) I generate a MIDI signal on the iPad through a sequencer app like Fugue Machine, Chordjam, etc.
2.) I use the AUM MIDI mixer to send those midi notes to the MacBook over USB MIDI
3.) The midi notes received on the laptop will play a Kontakt instrument in Ableton Live
4.) The audio is sent out of the interface's outputs
5.) and occasionally, I set up an additional "send" channel on each track in Ableton Live. That send channel is pointed to an input on the second USB port (for me, it's the iPad), so I can receive audio in Samplr, AUM, Borderlands, or any other iPad app to manipulate. I do this as a "send" so that I can choose how much of the Ableton Live signal is sent to the iPad.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Now this comment here is a gem... Gonna investigate this when i get home. The only thing you are missing is a Korg NanoKontrol for transport and faders, but seems you prefer as less gear as possible.
If my goal was replacing my Maschine MK3 with this setup, is there a way to load groups of sounds into the Ableton Rack, and then trigger those sounds on a set of pads on the iPad? As well as easily toggle to a keyboard view of any of those given sounds from the rack?
Yes, you could replicate something close to this. In loopy pro, you could set up a page of pads designed to send program changes to live. There are also a few apps for keyboard playing, pads-based chord triggering, etc. that you could easily toggle between on top of that.
It wouldn’t be everything that maschine is, but it could be at least those two basic functions.
Brilliant video man, exactly the info I was looking for! Tks!
Glad it helped!
You’re a legend - This was super helpful! Thanks heaps for sharing, I really had no idea the iPad was THIS versatile for making music.
Thanks Nick! Appreciate the kind words and glad it was useful. Yes, the iPad is incredible...there are countless apps and it can do so much.
the iConnectivity device usb connection to Ipad. Ableton Link is Ethernet or Wifi not over USB . I can only connect IPad (IOS 17) with camera ethernet adapter to have Midi and Link . On the W10 PC it is RTPmidi software
Sorry, I don't have any experience using Windows devices with the iConnectivity interface or Ableton.
YT ch iConnectivity support has videos on the subject. I asked him if network midi and audio from Ipad lighting port with adapter and USB hub is working on Audio4c. The Audio 12 has ethernet so that is possible. Thanks
Thanks for taking the time to make this. Amazing how much you’re able to do with the iPad!
Cheers Adam! My pleasure.
Great video! Great setup with lots of possibilities to play and improvise during the performance! Smart use of Ableton Link and Midi to sync and make them play together! How is the audio latency? And the round trip latency? Do they sync? How do you handle live played audio input? And does this influence your routing? And, could you be more specific in audio routing?
Thanks for the kind words and for watching! Latency has never been an issue for me... I've never noticed it. But I play mostly ambient and "looser" forms of music, so take my perspective with a grain of salt. I get very low round trip measures depending on how I set the sample rate and buffer sizes; I'd guess around 10-15 ms or so most of the time? which is fine for my purposes. I'm sure you can do better with smaller buffer but I try to optimize for stability and live performance rather than blazing speed.
Regarding routing, not sure exactly what to say there, but I usually have just 1 stereo channel of laptop audio sent to the iPad, and 1 stereo channel of iPad audio sent back to the laptop. I send audio from Ableton to the iPad using a send channel. Routing is configured in the iConnectivity software; you can read the manual and see all your options more clearly there: static1.squarespace.com/static/58976aeee6f2e12da0026d7f/t/60e5b6d06b6d281dcf74f8ca/1625667314724/iConnectivity+AUDIO4c+User+Guide.pdf
so helpful! two questions if you don’t mind… before i splurge on that interface you showed, is there a way to send audio and midi directly from ipad to M1 macbook pro directly if i don’t have a need for the other ins and outs of that interface?
secondly do you know if you can import midi from another source or perhaps a midi file into Fugue Machine? or must all the notes be drawn?
thanks for this!!
Thanks for watching! Yes, you can send midi to a MacBook by just plugging it directly into the computer with a USB cable. I’ve never tried this but I’ve heard of others doing it. Not sure if you could pass audio back and forth seamlessly, though.
No, I don’t believe you can import midi clips to fugue machine. You have to create your sequences in the app.
Thanks for sharing! Is the AUM/iPad synced with Ableton - so transport starts at the same time?
thanks for listening! Yes, you can sync through Ableton Link.
I had a nightmare with the iconnectivity, unfortunately. I gave up and bought 2 Arturia minifuse 4's. One for ipad and one for laptop.
yeah, it isn't a perfect device. It took a while for me to click with it but I really like it now.
Thanks for the awesome walk through!
I am wondering. How many channels of audio can you sent to and from the iPad and MacBook? According to the manual it looks like there’s 4 separate channels do audio for the USB ports?
You’ve got me pretty much sold on one of these iconnectivity boxes. Very cool system and use!
Thanks for watching! It depends on the exact configuration you use, but you have up to 8 channels of audio between the hardware and computer inputs. Each USB port has access to the hardware ins 1-4, and also has 4 channels of output.
From page 14 onwards, the manual has a good layout of port configurations available on each of the USB ports: static1.squarespace.com/static/58976aeee6f2e12da0026d7f/t/60e5b6d06b6d281dcf74f8ca/1625667314724/iConnectivity+AUDIO4c+User+Guide.pdf
Hi! could you tell us more about Iconnectivty 4C interface? dou you still use it? is it stable? how is the latency? I use Iconnectivity Midi2+ and I like it, but in the future I am thinking to get the 4C for using it with the hardware synths also
Hi there - yes I still use it. It is my main interface for studio and live work and I love it. It’s been stable in my experience with no big issues. Noise floor is a little higher than some other ones but not a huge deal. Latency is fine; not blazing fast. I’m not sure what kind of needs you have but it’s been good for my purposes.
Overall it’s a solid option for easily sending audio and midi between 2 devices. Not a whole lot of other options for a similar workflow.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 i see! Yes there aren t too many options. In my experiments I use an Ipad and two hardware synths effects sends from Ipad to various tracks and I think I need more ins and outs for different IOS synths. The noise floor I think is manageable with a cancelling plugin from Klevrand - Brusfi , it s quite effective on my mic and ins from synths. The Play 12 from iconnectivity does n t have analogue inputs so is a no for me. Ok, thanks for answering and keep up the good work!
I have a question : would you have the time to explain your ableton configuration (i guess youre using “external instruments’ to be able to communicate with the ipad apps ? And also the ableton preferences setup ? Youre briefly mentioning this here but it would be great to have an entire explaination. If you dont have the time would you share a link or recommend a tutorial ? Thx a lot !
Hi there, I am not sure if any other tutorials exist, but I usually route all MIDI within AUM on the iPad. There is a matrix MIDI mixer and you can manually select where to send MIDI on the iPad sequencers. I send it to USB1 (my laptop), and then within Ableton, I create MIDI tracks that receive MIDI on the specific channels I designate. The default Live configuration should be set up to do this. Hopefully that helps!
Thank you so much for this!
You're so welcome!
Also meant to ask.
What are the major things you find Ableton brings to the table with this setup that you xabt accomplish woth ghe iPad? Or that you just find muxh better/easier having thr Ableton connection/inter-play?
iPad is pretty limited as a production environment. You cannot do nearly the same level of mixing, arrangement, and multi-lane automation that you can do in Live. I also need Live for hosting of Kontakt libraries and other VST instruments that only run in MacOS.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Yeah makes sense, iPad can only do so much.
Well I got my Audio4C in, and I've got everything connected, so that's been cool! Trying to get my head around Drambo first, and setting up a controller for it to be more Groovebox like.
What's your favorite Kontakt libraries by the way?
Amazing video ! Right now i cant afford the 4c i was wondering if something like that was possible with a midi2+ ? looks like it is since it has this dual usb port for transmitting midi/audio both ways to both devices.. whats your insight ? Thx !
Based on the Midi2+ Manual (page 21) you have Audio passThru: The iConnectMIDI2+ can stream up to eight channels of audio (four in each direction). This could be a solution if you do not need extra audio inputs/outputs 1/4.
Yep - although I can't comment on the Midi2+ because I've never used it, but if you need analog inputs, then you're best served with the Audio 4c.
This is amazing.
Thank you!
I’m just trying out an Audio4c. I’ll spend more time with the manual, but one thing I think I see…the numbering of usb ins and outs changes by context…eg. what the iPad sees as out 1,2 shows up as usb 5,6 in the audio 4c. That’s ok, but takes some orienteering. Does that fit with your experience?
Thx again.
yeah, depending on the configuration you use in the software, it'll change the routing and available ins/outs. I typically leave it on "play USB2" so I can use my iPad as a mixer with AUM and Loopy Pro.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Thanks for the great content and sharing this workflow, I've been using an iPad and MacBook Combi direct usb-c combination with midi and audio from iPad to Ableton for a while... Currently sat here having spent a few evenings getting my head around the ins & outs with this audio4c set-up , think I've just about got the hang of how to prevent feedback loops now! :)
In your set-up how are managing audio the outputs?
Are you setting the mix in Auracle to just stereo iPad output USB2 CH1&2? with others muted?
Then allowing the USB1 CH1&2 audio of Ableton to route through iPad USB2 CH5&6.
So Aum/loopy ends up being the final mixer?
Thanks again
@@andrewtasselmyer2436After some more trials I think the setup is:
Ableton main out = USB1 1&2
iPad main audio out = USB2 1&2
Ableton send out = USB1 3&4
iPad send out= USB2 3&4
For resampling/effects:
On iPad the ableton send comes in 7&8
On iPad the ableton main out comes in 5&6
On Ableton the iPad send comes in 7&8
On Ableton the iPad main out comes in 5&6
What seems odd to me is that you can't set up a mix in Auracle to hear USB1 1-4 and USB2 1-4?!
Though think I can access this via iconfig
@@andrewtasselmyer2436
Update.... Actually I see that the USB out 5&6 is best for me to use as the main mix out, as this can't be seen on the other USB connected device.... This frees up the USB 1&2 out which can be seen on the other device for more inter-device fun & FX
hi Andrew, Great video, and awesome music. ive been trying to figure out a way to integrate iOS into ableton and vice versa but always hit a dead end. how are you sending audio from abletons sends back into the ipad (samplr) in my samplr i only have ipad microphone as the input. Im wondering if there is a way to route audio back into the ipad without having to purchase the iconnect box.
Thanks for the kind words! If you don't want to purchase the interface, then I think you can connect an iPad directly to a MacBook through a USB cable and configure the iPad as an interface. Frankly, I've not tried this myself so can't really vouch for how well it works or how to do it. I have always used audio interfaces of some kind when sending audio to iPads.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 my ipad has the lighting connector so it seems the only way to config is to go via the audio/midi settings on mac. you canset up an aggregate device and it allows 2 audio outs from ipad and midi in and out. it looks like i will have to fork out the cash and get the iconnect :) thanks again,
Great video, interesting since I only have hardware and rarely am in a daw, ipad seems handy
Yep, even in a DAW-less workflow, I think the iPad is a great way to record your tracks and apply some basic limiting, compression, and other mastering effects to them. Thanks for watching!
This is great Andrew. With the ic4c... does this interface give you to ability to run multi-channel out from AUM into Ableton? You mentioned running the iPad audio into Ableton... but it was unclear if it was multi-channel routing. ie: would I be able to route each individual audio channel in AUM to an individual audio channel in Ableton? And at what max sample rate btw? I'm currently using a USB-C connection from my iPadProM1 to my MBP-M1max... the midi routing is sufficient for my needs... however my main pitfalls with this current setup is the 2 channel audio and low sample rate limitation. If this interface could solve both of those id grip for sure. Many thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, you can get multiple channels from AUM into Ableton…but it’s limited to only 4 mono, 2 stereo…sort of a bummer. On each USB port, you have access to the 4 analog inputs, plus 2 stereo pairs from the other USB port. The manual has a basic overview of the possible routings.
Regarding sample rate, you can do a max of 24 bit / 96 kHz.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 ah yeah that is a bit of a bummer for sure. Thanks for the extra details Andrew.
This was awesome (UA-cam's recommendations finally coming in handy) - I have been trying to figure out how to bring my macbook and ipad when working through the Arturia AudioFuse interface and I'm 90% sure at this point it cannot be done. However, I have read that Airplay on Mac OS 12 (which I need to upgrade to) you can actually wirelessly stream audio and video between apple devices, so I wonder if that would work as a bridge...?
That doesn't necessarily address the wireless midi issue, but I feel like there are a enough ways around that (e.g. WIDI Master), which I think can allow one midi controller to speak to multiple computers/virtual interfaces.
Thanks, and glad you enjoyed it! Truth be told, I am not sure about the Airplay audio thing. It wouldn't surprise me if that's possible, but I'm sure there is some bluetooth-induced latency - can't confirm this, though. I know that you could plug an iPad directly into the laptop and get access to MIDI control, if I'm not mistaken. I do use a wireless MIDI adapter sometimes if all I'm trying to do is control a synth remotely, or something like that. I'm sure someone smarter than I am has figured out something better. I just prefer the overall ease and convenience of audio and midi sharing through 1 box with no unpredictability.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 totally - I just love my audiofuse as my central hub otherwise I would consider something like the iconnectivity interface! Following on from watching this, I once again tried to get as far as I could with my own attempt at ~streamlining~ and thus far I have it setup such that my keystep pro > MacBook (via USB hub on the back of my audiofuse) + WIDI wireless on the keystep’s MIDI I/O jacks > iPad (wirelessly via AUM) > back to keystep (via WIDI) > MacBook/DAW. So actually the audiofuse is irrelevant at the moment 😅. WIDI has such reliably low latency that it’s good enough for my needs. But you’re definitely right re: Bluetooth audio latency being a potential fly in the ointment…
Greetings from CA bro, most likely you are very busy, but I have some questions, what is for you the main advantage of sending midi messages between the ipad and the Mac, I have tried to establish the connection by bluetooth but I still have not succeeded , when you send the midi signal of a plugin that comes out of the macbook " example a kontakr violin to the ipad, does the sound enter the same as it comes out of the macbook or only the signal arrives? I ask you this because I just downloaded " arcade " and the sounds are great I would like to see a way to send them to aum only if possible since it is easier for me to process the signal there and then send it to garage band, it is a basic software for now it works for what I need I am studying pro tools artist It is still difficult for me, can you give me some recommendation for a plugin to give the final touch to give volume and gain body to the mix? Thanks bro and blessings
Hmm, not sure I follow exactly what you are saying. In the video I explain what I'm doing - I send a MIDI signal from the iPad to the MacBook over USB MIDI on the interface. You can choose where to send the MIDI notes by using the MIDI routing mixer in the AUM app. You can mix the audio on the interface's software. The sound is the same whether I play it from the MacBook or send it to the iPad.
THANKS DUDE, I remember about that interface but forgot about it, I had enough to make compromises, I was I/Oing my ipad on the laptop or using my audiofuse straight on my ipad or the IK multimedia which is awsome if you only need the ipad/
ONE question, how do you usually record? have you ever and can you record the AUM tracks into ableton ??? my ipad can get filled up very fast if I record long jams
You made my day thanks again
have you used loopy for sampling yet ?
would be nice if you'd make a reddit group or discord, I don't have people making music with ipad around
I use the novayion circuit
you don't need to buy the desktop version of the apps then , cheap in a way
thanks for the kind words! I usually record everything in Ableton, and mix/arrange it later. I'm too accustomed to its interface and workflow to bother with anything else at this point. I have not used Loopy extensively for sampling, but it is very capable. I use it mostly in performance, to loop and mix audio live.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 so it is possible to record tracks of the ipad into ableton ?
and possible to do parallel or having serial chain of effects let say my input going thru effect in AUM then routed to the other usbc host and having that input coming in ableton ?
or maybe just parallel, the same input going thru ableton and AUM ?
Thanks again
Oh rad! I didn’t think of using LoopyPro as surface controller for Ableton too, brilliant! Also I think the dev is planning to release LoopyPro for the mac too eventually. Or is it possible to use now since Ableton 11.2 supports Auv3 now, right?
I've not tried it in Ableton as an AUv3, but yes, I think in theory this will be possible at some point in the future (if it isn't already). I have successfully used a few other AuV3 devices in Live.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 LoopyPro for the Mac is in progress as we speak! 👍
I se you using the pencil, how does that help you in workflow vs finger?
I only use it if the UI of certain apps is too small to easily control. I don't use it often.
Thank you!
really well done, inspiring stuff. clean minimal exciting.
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it.
Do you also use overbridge to multitrack the digitakt in ableton while using it with the ipad?
I no longer have the Digitakt, but when I did own it, yes, I used Overbridge often!
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 cheers for the reply! Going to buy the interface for sure then. Thanks for video's and wonderfull music
Will the 4c send/receive cv via inputs and outputs? You mentioned working with eurorack.
I'm not sure if the ins/outs are DC-coupled or not, so I can't confirm. I don't see it mentioned in the manual so I don't think so. I haven't used euro rack in a while now, so I didn't do any deeper research on that before buying one.
Firstly, thank you for taking the time to provide an in depth review of your workflow and the reasons. I am curious though. You recommend Samplr and yet I note you have Koala loaded? Is there something Samlr does for you that Koala does not? I am assuming this set up could be used to integrate with Logic or Bitwig? I note the comments about the previous Audio4+ is the new one that much better?
My pleasure! Regarding Samplr vs. Koala, it's really just a matter of personal preference on the UI for me. I like that Samplr immediately presents the whole waveform to scan through with touch and gestures, and have found it a little bit easier to quickly get a loop going during live performances. That's not to say that Koala isn't quick to use, too; it's just that I've been using Samplr for so long to make loops and drones that I have kind of oriented my workflow around it at this point.
Yes, you could very easily integrate with Logic, Bitwig, or any other DAW you'd like. I like Ableton Live the most, but I have used it with Logic in the past quite often and I know lots of people who like Bitwig too.
I have personally found that the new iConnectivity 4c is much more stable and reliable than the older Audio2+ and Audio4+ models that they sold. I've yet to have any issues with mine and the software is much more streamlined. I had 2 of the older Audio 2+, and I experienced several crashes and cases of audio crackling/dropouts for seemingly no reason. Both of those older models are discontinued now, so if you wanted to grab a used model somewhere, I don't even know what kind of support would be offered anymore. Just my 2 cents there!
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Thank you again for your throughly helpful and informative reply. I am most grateful.
Such a precious video, thanks a lot.
I know it's a lot to ask, but is there a way to find the stems for one of your songs? I'm really curious to see how you seperate things, especially your field recordings.
Thank you! Unfortunately I don't have stems available - perhaps in the future I'll bounce them down as well, if there's interest.
As you’ve used Logic Pro…you have probably watched it evolve. Given its current state…what would you see the Ableton advantage(s) to be? I’m pretty happy with Logic Pro, but I wonder if I should pursue my Ableton intrigue.
Many thanks.
I like Ableton Live for the session view. I also like the easy point-and-click midi assignments. It is personal preference at the end of the day, but I can get up and running in Live much faster than I can in Logic Pro. Logic seems more suited to mixing and arranging, whereas Ableton Live is built very much around the "live" part. I've performed with Logic in the past, but it's far easier to use Live for what I do.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 Thanks. I’m making the Live plunge. Just installed the intro version. Will mimic your setup. One question re: your jam…it seems you were mostly monitoring and triggering a few instruments in Live (with the main events happening in AUM). Can you say a little more about what was happening back in Live during that time?
Many thanks.
Can you tell me if the Audio 4C has a decent output volume on the master volume that goes to the main speakers? I use passive monitors and they need decent output. Also, can I run my Mac mini routed to the 4C as well as keep my iPad connected? Can I listen to my iPad and also use it to listen to Ableton without switching cables? I have now an Arturia Minifuse 2 as mu USB audio unit. Thanks
The user manual for the 4c lists the max output volume at 13 dBu / 11 dBv - not sure exactly what your speakers need but it’s plenty loud for me. Yes, any two devices can be connected and play audio simultaneously without switching cables.
@@andrewtasselmyer2436 that’s a good level. Thanks
Another new sort of device that allows connecting two USB-C devices and powers a mobile device plugged into it is the Lewitt Audio C. The only thing it doesn't do that the iconnectivity audio interface does is midi connection; it's audio-only.
Yes, great shout - at the time of the video it wasn’t an option, but I made an updated post a couple months ago that mentioned it. Would love to try it for head to head comparison. Thanks for watching!